They lost their soul. They were the unreliable fun cars. Jeeps, Challengers, Chargers. Not great vehicles, but fun. Then they got rid of that. Nobody wants EVs.
Irony is that Ram is now the most dependable pickup - largely because of, IMO, avoiding direct injection and turbo-ing everything. This channel did a story on it not long ago.
He is an unreliable click bait TH-camr. Don’t trust anything he says he just wants views. Lost all credibility after his 100th “leak” ended up being false.
Get rid of CARB and problem solved for all auto manufacturers. I thought 1 state couldn't set rules for all the other states? Commifonia needs to take that swim already in the ocean
You can't raise prices and then lower quality and expect people to buy your product. Just look at the new ram 1500, they raised the price and then gave it a cheap 6 cylinder and cheaper lights. Dodge did nothing to any of their cars for 10 years, just added bigger engines and different stickers.
If they cant get rid of cylinder deactivation and auto stop start, why bother? Im not sure if you remember, but engines used to last as long as you wanted them to.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Hell, I drove my 75 Vega 232000 miles over 10 years. Made it to the junk yard before the rusted out car cracked in half. I'm sure there are plenty of V8's that easily beat that.
@@Pickuptrucktalk In his book "Truck" John Jerome has his engine rebuilt at a little over 100,000 miles on his 1950 Dodge pickup. He also states that it is/was common for trucks of that era to be on their second or third engine.
I just bought a Ram 1500 with etorque. I leave the auto start stop on and it’s almost unnoticeable. I think if you get an engine with etorque the auto start stop is not an issue at all.
I would be happy if they made the Pentastar V6 a rock solid engine. It has no turbos or multi-displacement and makes good power but seems to have problems with all the plastic parts and fluid leaks.
😂😂😂. That's dumb! Stellantis doesn't have the desire nor the time, money, and resources to redesign, retool, reprogram for a dated engine especially one which can be axed within a few years
Another customer will be happy, the V8 definitely won't come back in the next two years... all new vehicles are not built for a V8, and production would first have to be converted back to the production of this engine, The HEMI V8 no longer meets the new emissions regulations, so a lot would have to be invested in a new one…
Please keep in mind…this is STILL a European partially owned by Italian country. Good luck with that v8… because they will triple down on the i6 turbo engines
I think a real Dakota would be a good idea. If it will fit offer a 5.7 hemi or a hurricane as an option. It don't even have to be the High output if its a midsize. Although that just might sell if its affordable.But I think a Dakota that favors the old Dakota and is a legit body on frame midsize with a Hemi would get some good attention. Just make it reasonably priced and decent quality. Then if they can fit the Hurricane let it be an option and the Market can choose. I think the market is mostly rejecting the EV garbage. So they should stop trying to force it. If they want a small EV line for the small niche that wants it,and maybe it will passify some government tyrants, I can understand. But don't force it,let customers buy what they want. Alot of us ain't ready to give up our internal combustion engine.
They have lost track of what gave them so much market share since 2014. FCA gave us a lot of value. Which brought in a lot of new customers. The problem is they have raised the prices way too much! The reason people gave them a chance was the value proposition. GM & Ford both still offering V8’s in their half ton. Ram should have offered the Hemi with the Hurricane.
I think they need to start giving options instead of trying to force things on everybody. While I have heard that the HO Hurricane is quick, they should offer as an option and not push the EV thing so much. And keep the Price somewhat affordable. Keep Ram alive and bring back affordable Muscle cars.
Look at Toyota, as models are updated they come back fully hybrid. I think it is a good step toward the future. For me living in rural US, full electric doesn't work. My electric box is on the other side of my house as the garage. 10k to get a charger to my garage. I have 2 chargers approx 15 miles away in opposite directions
I have never understood the rush to full BEV. Why? We can meet the emissions goals by just offering more hybrids with better MPG and a lower price point.
1) Look at Toyota’s sales. They’ve been losing market share for 3+ years, now they are dropping unit sales. 2) That’s a crazy price for running 6/2 wire through a house. Get another quote. ((FYI: I did my own with that sort of config on my last house. Was easier to trench direct bury through the flower bed & punch through Brice wall on the back of the garage. Two story McMansions can have goofy structure to gush through.
BTW, rural is better for BEVs. I’ve run BEV only for 6+ years now, still almost 20 miles from nearest public charger, first few yearst we were 35+ miles to the nearest one.
@Pickuptrucktalk Because ultimately hybrids cost the most on build & maintenance, second place behind BEV on fuel. Trucks might still have something of a window left for hybrid, maybe Ramcharger has some runway, but that’s closing fast. But otherwise going hybrid means you’re going to need to two huge transitions rather than one.
Will likely have to sell off some brands. I like the idea of Jeep going its own way and maybe Ram too. Agree V8 needs to return. Maybe not in Hemi brand but bring back the Magnum moniker.
Will likely have to print out their resume to find a solvent company to work at. This is the start of the end, entering death-throws. They clearly aren't going to make it through the industry's transition to BEVs and the changes to the market.
It’s my understanding that Stellantis was having to pay billions in carbon offsets since the Hemi emits a level of CO2 higher than EPA allows, even with cylinder deactivation. The CO2 regulations would need to be changed by the new administration.
They can’t rely on that. Every 4 years they gamble emissions standards get stricter. I bet their main engines will be like Ford’s, twin turbos and smaller displacement. Perhaps they will offer an V8 with a large upcharge.
They have to be ready to just lay the penalty and pass it along to the customer. If you guys want your V8’s you can pay for them. They should even have an option for no MDS at an even higher price.
Thanks for the update Tim. Tavares was a CEO that thought big inflammatory statements were the way to manage a company. Hopefully, some new leadership can allow them to evolve in the market and remain a major player. More competition is better for all consumers.
I owned over 20 Ram trucks since the early 2000’s. Would have another but can’t trust the Hurricane yet. Bought GMC 1500 diesel instead. So far I’m impressed. Great fuel economy and more torque than the Hemi.
I have owned a lot of trucks over the years in my construction business, and most of them have been Rams. The only thing that works for me is a heavy duty V-8 or a diesel. I like the Ram trucks, but if they discontinue the V-8 engines, I will be forced to go to whichever automaker is producing the V-8s.
Tim K had a new v8 in development which Tavares put on the shelf. Word is, that new engine is being fastracked. Not years away. T getting kicked out can only mean one thing, less EV, more ICE (or hybrids at the least).
Tim is that why they are sitting on the rebel X RHO The process is even slower looking at the manufacture, built only built one and hopefully that is yours
I don’t understand the complaining about Ram quality. I’m a loyal Ford buyer but I read the data. Ram 1500 trucks have lead the industry in quality for three years.
That will likely change since the hemi, and ram 1500 classic are gone after 24. Id put my money on the ram 1500 classic being the most reliable new half ton pickup you can buy in 24.
So Tim, it's evident now that Stellantis was doing a bunch of things wrong, which I believe you were reluctant to admit. There are a lot of problems with the company, but the big drop in sales was probably Tavares' guillotine. You previously reported that the drop in sales was due to CAFE standars, wrong trim availability on dealer lots, or perhaps California's fault. All of those were cheap excuses that Tavares was trying to sell to Wall Street. The real reason why sales were down so much was twofold. First, they had a poor product line-up. Second, they raised prices excessively. Both were Tavares' mistakes. The CEO's main job is to predict where the market is going and put in place a product portfolio that fits, at least decently. Ford and GM have much better product portfolios. The excessive price increases were a complete failure in calibrating how inelastic the demand for Jeep and Ram is. News to Tavares: the demand is not very inelastic. Jeep is not Porsche. If you increase prices by 50% in 3-4 years, the demand for your product dries up. In my humble opinion, Tavares should have never been promoted beyond COO (chief operating officer). The man apparently is an industrial cost expert, but he does not understand strategy and does not get the passion that customers have for cars and trucks. Jim Farley and Mary Barra seem to be much more adequate in the CEO role-- Jim Farley should probably fire his COO, though (given how much trouble in quality and supply chains they have).
Do you think that Stelantis only has problems with its brands in the USA?! I can tell you that's not true, the group has even more problems in Europe with its brands,... sales are also falling a lot here, the problem is you have two brands here but the same vehicle and all the new ones only come as electric. .. Fiat, Alfa, have almost been forced out of the market, they don't have enough models, it's like Crysler with only one vehicle... and to save costs they just want the same engine across all brands chassis.. Jeep in Europe, the old Grand Cheeroke was once the best-selling SUV with diesel, and as a petrol engine, the last generation now costs too much and is only available as an X4 Hybrid with 4 cylinder like the Jeep Wrangler with the same engine, and all cost well over USD 86.000-100.000,- so we will see in which direction Stellantis now go….
Just saw a video of a Hurricane motor replacement on a Jeep Wagoneer which failed due to overheating and a failed thermostat. The jist of it is, it required a full body/cab lift and the motor is a real, real bear to work on, requiring serious hours to disassemble the various systems and subsystems. Stellantis seems to have some major challenges and it’s looking like Ram or Jeep’s business outlook isn’t so good.
Was it this mechanic or another mechanic on a previous service? A warped head and deck is the result either way. A damn shame to see that happen either way. I wish Ram and Jeep the best and hope they make a comeback. I am wondering if they have the economic cash position to do a major rethink and retool for some of the suggestions you made, eg, going back with a different motor or V8.
@ easy. You run it so hot it warps things. Check out the GW forum. Lots of owners had the fix applied with no problems. I’ve had a warped head. You run it hot enough you’ll have that problem too.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I understand head warpage and block deck warpage from overheating aluminum components, my question is how did the mechanic or some other screw up?
They need to bring VALUE back into their products. That does not mean doing minor upgrades and cosmetic changes and jacking the price up by 10's of thousands.
The etorque hemi has less tailpipe emissions than both of the hurricanes. I don't even know if the hemi should come back but they need to do something better than the hurricanes.
Hopefully a harbinger of better things to come for Jeep and Ram. I've heard bad things about the new Hurricane inline 6, but I have no personal experience with that engine, though I've heard it is very smooth. I do have the 5.7 Hemi is a 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L and absolutely love it, smooth, powerful, a great engine in this SUV. Too bad it's no longer available, I think the 3.6 V6 is the only engine you can get in it now (except a 4XE if not mistaken?), but to me, it's too underpowered in the Grand Cherokee.
Trucks are a different market with the work-truck duty that need V8s and diesels but many trucks are second or first cars. The Hurricane six will satisfy that market. Most important is quality and price.
Quality is the biggest thing in my opinion and then Price. Chrysler has sucked balls for 70 years but now that the price is so high it makes owning a Chrysler a foolish game.
What a mess - time to dump brands like fiat and concentrate on ram and jeep to make them profitable again Sucks for the American employees and the fans of these brands Hey Tim, will this affect your truck purchase?
Pretty crazy stuff. Thanks for reporting. I've heard both the Dodge Charger EV is a disaster (it's bricking at dealerships), and the Ram 1500 REV is doing the same in testing. There is going to be some tough times coming in 2025. PHEV is where things should be heading for the short term. I think Toyota is about to introduce a bunch of them (I did a video about that today).
I think PHEV is overblown. When you look at the ROI, it takes forever to get your money back. Plus several studies have found people don’t actually charge their PHEVs at all.
PHEV problem number 1 is that if you try to drive electric most of the time you will cycle the small battery to death. The small battery won't last as long as a bigger battery in a BEV that doesn't need to charge 0 to 100 everyday. Go ice or BEV. Maybe a range extender for the nervous Nancy's out there.
@@Pickuptrucktalk As far as owners not plugging in.. yeah you can't fix lazy and stupid. Although depending on gas prices and how much you pay for electricity, there might not be much of a difference (we have solar). I've had a RAV4 Prime for about 3 years. Absolutely love it. The big thing about PHEV's is that you can do your daily commuting on all EV.. and then use the gas engine for long trips. The other thing, is because of the large battery and motors, typically PHEV's have great performance. There are a lot of pickup owners/buyers that have been clamoring for a PHEV Truck. Just watch. We can talk again in a year, and we'll see what happens.
@@BigBilly7 Toyota PHEV's keeps extra battery on reserve, so it doesn't get fully depleted. We've had our's for 3 years, and we have the exact same range as we've had when we first purchased her. Also, with PHEV's, even if you lose a little bit of range, you still have a great hybrid system.
First off bring up the quality of what you’re selling to the people and make it affordable. Save the hurricane engines for Jeep and the entry engine for Ram, bring a revised Hemi for the upgrade engine. For god sakes lower the price on everything if you ever want to sell anything again or you will end up like Jaguar.
There seems to be two different views on this going on in the webs: 1. Yay! Things are going to get better! 2. Oh No! Things are going to get worse! Me. Let's see what happens.
This is going to be long. But honestly as a 2025 Ram Hurricane owner, I'm fine with the Hurricane engines. They are powerful and power delivery is progressively natural. What Stellantis needs to do is try and bring more cars to the market. Probably with fuel economy in mind. To help offset the company mpg average. Also find a way to make the half-ton trucks lighter and mix in a hybrid system to the RAM 1500 SST SO and HO. Like what someone else said, follow the market and bring back the Dakota. They should have brought back the Dakota before producing the Gladiator. The Gladiator has some of the best approach and departure angles but it's break over angle is fairly bad. It's also quite a bit more expensive than the competition. Like Ford, utilize the Hornet platform and produce a unibody small truck. That right there fills out Ram's lineup. Full-size, mid-size, and small size pickups. The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer should make Durango and Grand Durango. The Durango will proceed as normal just get updated riding on the same unibody platform. Competing against the Highlander. The Grand Durango will be the body on frame competitor to the Tahoe. Bring back a modern Journey to place it between the Hornet and the Durango.To help facilitate the base price of the new Charger, they should throw in the 2.0t i4 from the Guilia. So that the Chargers engine lineup is 2.0t, replace the SO SST with a 5.7 Hemi for the midrange engine. Then throw in the HO SST as the top of the line engine. 4, 6, and 8 cylinders for all types of people. It'll be a waste of money but shelve, not drop, but shelve the EV Chargers for now. But Dodge should a lineup like so, the Chargers, Hornet, Journey, Durango and Grand Durango. Aside from the Chargers try implementing hybrids across all models. Jeep for the most part is fine, maybe drop the Gladiator in favor for what should be the Ram Dakota. Doing this will help fill out the models that's sorely missing from Dodge and Ram. There is just so many brands under Stellantis right now. They are probably having a hard time trying to figure out what to do with all of them. They can try and bring more models out by utilizing all the engines that they have. Maybe replacing some engines, like replacing the 2.9tt v6 from the Giulia for the 3.0tt i6. That's one less engine to develop with a larger variety of power for the Giulia can then be had in 2.0t, 420 hp 3.0tt and 550 hp 3.0tt. Lower the price to the Giulia 2.0t to better fit pricing for the 3.0tt SO and make the HO the Quadrifoglio pricing. Chrysler is pretty much dead. Only having one model in its lineup, replace that brand for Alfa Romeo. Utilize the Jeep RWD/AWD platforms and make performance SUV's for Alfa Romeo. To be better suited to compete with MB, BMW, Audi, Cadillac and Lincoln. So the brands, at least for the US. Will be as follows: Ram with 3 trucks, 2 body on frame one unibody. Jeep mostly the same with the exception of the Gladiator. The luxury off-road brand. Dodge as the mainstream brand. With 2 and 4 door Chargers, Hornet, Journey, Durango and Grand Durango. Then Alfa Romeo, the luxury sport brand. Utilizing Jeeps RWD architectures to make sporty crossovers to compete with the likes of BMW, MB, and Audi. Aside from using the 2 v8 engines and the naturally aspirated v6. Utilize all the turbo engines. So Alfa Romeo will have a range of 4 cylinder engines, hybrid assist powertrains, and 2 variations of tt 6 cylinder engine. Become the brand that Cadillac decided not to be. Sure they have the Blackwing models and the Escalade V. But that's it, Alfa Romeo could have a performance or even hybrid variations of most if not all of their models. Maserati if anything, segregate it's suppliers, only use high end interior materials. Maserati has been known to be using Ram and Dodge materials for a while. That needs to stop. If I was the incoming CEO that is what I'll do. At least for the US market.
Gladiator is far superior to Dakota. They can make a Dakota a sublime from Ram and no need to try to piggy back from Gladiator. Jeep and Ram are two separate items and are build in different plants
@@JM21999 Yet the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are using the Ram 1500s platform. They are not entirely separate. Platform sharing would be far more cost effective. IMO having a cheaper Dakota instead of the more expensive Gladiator would not only make more sales. But it would most likely be more profitable despite selling more units for a slightly lower price tag. If anything like the Canyon/Colorado duo, sell them along side one another. At least look-wise there will be far more differentiation between the Mopars then between the GM twins.
@@99-Zulu I understand what you’re saying but I believe there is a market for all to coexist because they have different customers . Jeep, dodge and rams should offer choices Dakota with Rams, Wrangler with Gladiators, Jeep Cherokees with idk lol Challengers with chargers and Durangos. Anyway let’s see what new this company does next and the direction in will take. If they put in another European WEF climate stooge then it will be all for nothing.
Most consumers want consistency. Consistency of product, performance, and quality. All manufacturers have failed miserably at this over the past 3 or 4 years, including Toyota, but Stellantis has failed at this most spectacularly. Financially, Stellantis is in very bad shape. The likelihood that they are able to crawl back into profitability without selling off parts of the company is slim to none. The only automaker doing worse is Nissan. I doubt Stellantis will survive in its current configuration and will look very different a year from now. One thing is certain, Tim will have lots to talk/write about over the next year even if his RAM pickup doesn’t arrive by year’s end.
RAM needs to take care of their existing customers. That way, I wouldn't need to jump start my 2023 RAM after two days of camping when the whole thing goes completely dead. Any they could make the RAM actually be able to charge it's own battery during a 3 hour drive on the freeway instead of slowly killing the battery until a tow is needed. Oh yeah, and they could make trailer light check actually work --- you know after service visits and a ticket open for a year. Oh and my truck wouldn't slam on the brakes in reverse backing into my driveway when no one is around --- that would be a good fix --- you know because a little 10 inch incline should be pretty doable. Oh and RAM could make it so I can actually CALL my dealer for recall service instead of being sent to voicemail 3 times now and never getting a single call back. Oh and they could fix the navigation so it would not freeze after a pit stop and become useless in the middle of a 3 hour roadtrip. Oh yeah, and they should fix the target trailer tire pressure setting so it doesn't reset to "50 psi" every trip. Dear RAM ---- Fix sh*t for your existing customers before you build more shiny stuff with new engines.
Threatening the US base plant managers that they will be replaced by European plant managers is the biggest empty promise. Europeans can’t keep up with manufacturing pace we are accustomed to here in the USA. Also there are no month long “Holidays” in the US. The Europeans plant managers would struggle just as bad as US plant managers if not worst. Stellantis biggest problem was competing against Ranger Rover segment instead of sticking to the core values off the Jeep brand
Everyone knows the best way to improve a troubled car company is to merge with another troubled car company. If it doesn't work the first time, then it will surely work the second time. Right? It didn't? Hmm. Strange!
I’ll be surprised if the V8 Hemi comes back. Manufacturers don’t typically go backwards like that. Although maybe they could bring back the Hemi in another gas engine form.
The 5.7 is not that far gone. If it had been years out of the market I would say it wouldn’t be that simple. The shape that company is in they will take drastic measures to turn it around. Don’t forget it’s still in the Durango. So it’s not completely dead. They still have the means to use it.
Poor Quality, Higher Prices are the ultimate killers of Stellantis, too much product line, too many sub-models and not enough brand quality. The Chrysler I knew, Died when Daimler Chrysler was born! I don't see anything to get excited about with Stellantis these days.
I don't feel sorry for this guy cause he got paid almost 40 million dollars last year. His ideas were made not on what the customer wants but what governments want. This business plan is horrible and can not sustain any company, especially in sales. Hopefully, the American companies can rebound from new leadership.
Quality has to increase and price must drop a lot. Otherwise it doesn’t matter who runs the company.
Man, that goes for all four truck manufacturers.
Make the HEMI great again!
Awesome news!
Too bad Mary Barra won't do the same at GM.
What u mean GM doing fine?
GM is kicking ass, why would they get rid of Mary?
Gm is just doing better than the rest. They still have a lot of work to do.
Gm prices are stupid high also
I’m sure no fan of Mary but have to say GM is doing ok these days.
when a ram 1500 is $88,000 and jeeps are $90,000.... GEEZE.....I wonder why they cant sell shit
why did you post this? Although there are models which reach those price points both are very few. Thus the Ram average transaction price is 44K.
Dont let the door hit your ass charlie!!
Gonna be a lot of happy people Tim.
Yeah, he was NOT well liked. I always thought he was a bit arrogant.
Could go from bad to worse if they don't put in a person with understanding of US market
@@Pickuptrucktalk I have a feeling his replacement will be another arrogant European. It's how they roll.
Fix the f ing hemi tic! It’s 2025 ! It’s a design flaw! Fix it!
they did on most models. They simply retired it
They working on a new v8
I've had four Hemis over the years and no tick whatsoever.... I think the hemi tick is just a myth made up by some bored clowns with nothing to do....
@leedanielson7452 you always have to preface your comments you trade your Hemi's in on average of every three years
@ Right on dog every three years at the most!!! And guess what no hemi tick which people claim to get in the first and second years!!!🤯🤣
They lost their soul. They were the unreliable fun cars. Jeeps, Challengers, Chargers. Not great vehicles, but fun. Then they got rid of that. Nobody wants EVs.
Irony is that Ram is now the most dependable pickup - largely because of, IMO, avoiding direct injection and turbo-ing everything. This channel did a story on it not long ago.
@kingelvis7035 The new ram is a twin turbo inline 6.
Im sure there will be an opening at Jaguar for Tavares soon
You win the funniest comment! Let the Europeans pull together
In regards to Ram. Bring the Hemi back as an option. They won’t have any problems selling the Hurricanes but it will satisfy a segment of buyers.
nope that's just not a feasible comment.
Ford does the same thing. They still have the coyote V8.
The Hemi is coming back to the Charger, they're being tested in Mexico. TK's Garage has reliable sources inside of Stellantis.
He is an unreliable click bait TH-camr. Don’t trust anything he says he just wants views. Lost all credibility after his 100th “leak” ended up being false.
😂😂😂😂. Why would anyone post complete garbage?
An early Christmas gift.
Hopefully the V8 is coming back. 99% of the market doesn’t want an all electric Charger. What are you all electric guys smoking?
Woke Weed 😂
Lol
Wire insulation, prolly…
Get rid of CARB and problem solved for all auto manufacturers. I thought 1 state couldn't set rules for all the other states? Commifonia needs to take that swim already in the ocean
A fully electric Jeep is beyond stupid.
You can't raise prices and then lower quality and expect people to buy your product. Just look at the new ram 1500, they raised the price and then gave it a cheap 6 cylinder and cheaper lights. Dodge did nothing to any of their cars for 10 years, just added bigger engines and different stickers.
If they cant get rid of cylinder deactivation and auto stop start, why bother? Im not sure if you remember, but engines used to last as long as you wanted them to.
Honest question, when did engines last that long? I’ve had several naturally aspirated engines fail on me.
Lx470, 250,000 miles. 4.7 V8. Lx570 198,000 miles. 5.7v8
@@Pickuptrucktalk Hell, I drove my 75 Vega 232000 miles over 10 years. Made it to the junk yard before the rusted out car cracked in half. I'm sure there are plenty of V8's that easily beat that.
@@Pickuptrucktalk In his book "Truck" John Jerome has his engine rebuilt at a little over 100,000 miles on his 1950 Dodge pickup. He also states that it is/was common for trucks of that era to be on their second or third engine.
I just bought a Ram 1500 with etorque. I leave the auto start stop on and it’s almost unnoticeable. I think if you get an engine with etorque the auto start stop is not an issue at all.
With his "golden parachute".....for doing an AWFUL job....
Yes who is going to hire him yes you did such a great job running a Billion $$$ company into the ground!!!
Now get a real leader in there! Gas powered hemi cars.
I would be happy if they made the Pentastar V6 a rock solid engine. It has no turbos or multi-displacement and makes good power but seems to have problems with all the plastic parts and fluid leaks.
Thank you for the update. Just canceled my order on the RHO …. Gonna wait to see if they bring the hemi back.
😂😂😂. That's dumb! Stellantis doesn't have the desire nor the time, money, and resources to redesign, retool, reprogram for a dated engine especially one which can be axed within a few years
Another customer will be happy, the V8 definitely won't come back in the next two years... all new vehicles are not built for a V8, and production would first have to be converted back to the production of this engine, The HEMI V8 no longer meets the new emissions regulations, so a lot would have to be invested in a new one…
@@davidporter7051 I’ll rethink it
Please keep in mind…this is STILL a European partially owned by Italian country. Good luck with that v8… because they will triple down on the i6 turbo engines
They held steady as long as they could without making a Dakota.
I think a real Dakota would be a good idea. If it will fit offer a 5.7 hemi or a hurricane as an option. It don't even have to be the High output if its a midsize. Although that just might sell if its affordable.But I think a Dakota that favors the old Dakota and is a legit body on frame midsize with a Hemi would get some good attention. Just make it reasonably priced and decent quality. Then if they can fit the Hurricane let it be an option and the Market can choose. I think the market is mostly rejecting the EV garbage. So they should stop trying to force it. If they want a small EV line for the small niche that wants it,and maybe it will passify some government tyrants, I can understand. But don't force it,let customers buy what they want. Alot of us ain't ready to give up our internal combustion engine.
They have lost track of what gave them so much market share since 2014. FCA gave us a lot of value. Which brought in a lot of new customers. The problem is they have raised the prices way too much! The reason people gave them a chance was the value proposition. GM & Ford both still offering V8’s in their half ton. Ram should have offered the Hemi with the Hurricane.
I think they need to start giving options instead of trying to force things on everybody. While I have heard that the HO Hurricane is quick, they should offer as an option and not push the EV thing so much. And keep the Price somewhat affordable. Keep Ram alive and bring back affordable Muscle cars.
I hope they bring a ram dakota out that can compete with the ranger raptor!
It is in the works.
Look at Toyota, as models are updated they come back fully hybrid. I think it is a good step toward the future. For me living in rural US, full electric doesn't work. My electric box is on the other side of my house as the garage. 10k to get a charger to my garage. I have 2 chargers approx 15 miles away in opposite directions
I have never understood the rush to full BEV. Why? We can meet the emissions goals by just offering more hybrids with better MPG and a lower price point.
1) Look at Toyota’s sales. They’ve been losing market share for 3+ years, now they are dropping unit sales.
2) That’s a crazy price for running 6/2 wire through a house. Get another quote. ((FYI: I did my own with that sort of config on my last house. Was easier to trench direct bury through the flower bed & punch through Brice wall on the back of the garage. Two story McMansions can have goofy structure to gush through.
BTW, rural is better for BEVs. I’ve run BEV only for 6+ years now, still almost 20 miles from nearest public charger, first few yearst we were 35+ miles to the nearest one.
@Pickuptrucktalk
Because ultimately hybrids cost the most on build & maintenance, second place behind BEV on fuel.
Trucks might still have something of a window left for hybrid, maybe Ramcharger has some runway, but that’s closing fast.
But otherwise going hybrid means you’re going to need to two huge transitions rather than one.
Will likely have to sell off some brands. I like the idea of Jeep going its own way and maybe Ram too. Agree V8 needs to return. Maybe not in Hemi brand but bring back the Magnum moniker.
Will likely have to print out their resume to find a solvent company to work at.
This is the start of the end, entering death-throws. They clearly aren't going to make it through the industry's transition to BEVs and the changes to the market.
It’s my understanding that Stellantis was having to pay billions in carbon offsets since the Hemi emits a level of CO2 higher than EPA allows, even with cylinder deactivation. The CO2 regulations would need to be changed by the new administration.
They can’t rely on that. Every 4 years they gamble emissions standards get stricter. I bet their main engines will be like Ford’s, twin turbos and smaller displacement. Perhaps they will offer an V8 with a large upcharge.
They have to be ready to just lay the penalty and pass it along to the customer. If you guys want your V8’s you can pay for them. They should even have an option for no MDS at an even higher price.
Thanks for the update Tim. Tavares was a CEO that thought big inflammatory statements were the way to manage a company. Hopefully, some new leadership can allow them to evolve in the market and remain a major player. More competition is better for all consumers.
Wonder what size golden parachute loaded with cash followed him on the way out?
Yeah no kidding. I wish I had that parachute!
I owned over 20 Ram trucks since the early 2000’s. Would have another but can’t trust the Hurricane yet. Bought GMC 1500 diesel instead. So far I’m impressed. Great fuel economy and more torque than the Hemi.
I have owned a lot of trucks over the years in my construction business, and most of them have been Rams. The only thing that works for me is a heavy duty V-8 or a diesel. I like the Ram trucks, but if they discontinue the V-8 engines, I will be forced to go to whichever automaker is producing the V-8s.
As with many manufacturers, they’re making absolute garbage anyway. We need the Japanese manufacturing mentality and quality we had prior to 2020.
It may be too late for Chrysler. I don't know what will happen with Dodge/Jeep/RAM if they are still controlled by Stellantis.
Good Bye Chrysler Brand. Not sure why it still exists. For that matter not sure why FIAT is in N.America. Next 12 months for them will be interesting.
Tim K had a new v8 in development which Tavares put on the shelf. Word is, that new engine is being fastracked. Not years away. T getting kicked out can only mean one thing, less EV, more ICE (or hybrids at the least).
I think there is next to zero chance the 5.7 comes back. The 6.2 for a new "last call" TRX? Maybe... This time they will start at $130K. LOL
Tim is that why they are sitting on the rebel X RHO The process is even slower looking at the manufacture, built only built one and hopefully that is yours
I don’t understand the complaining about Ram quality. I’m a loyal Ford buyer but I read the data. Ram 1500 trucks have lead the industry in quality for three years.
That will likely change since the hemi, and ram 1500 classic are gone after 24. Id put my money on the ram 1500 classic being the most reliable new half ton pickup you can buy in 24.
So Tim, it's evident now that Stellantis was doing a bunch of things wrong, which I believe you were reluctant to admit. There are a lot of problems with the company, but the big drop in sales was probably Tavares' guillotine. You previously reported that the drop in sales was due to CAFE standars, wrong trim availability on dealer lots, or perhaps California's fault. All of those were cheap excuses that Tavares was trying to sell to Wall Street. The real reason why sales were down so much was twofold. First, they had a poor product line-up. Second, they raised prices excessively. Both were Tavares' mistakes. The CEO's main job is to predict where the market is going and put in place a product portfolio that fits, at least decently. Ford and GM have much better product portfolios. The excessive price increases were a complete failure in calibrating how inelastic the demand for Jeep and Ram is. News to Tavares: the demand is not very inelastic. Jeep is not Porsche. If you increase prices by 50% in 3-4 years, the demand for your product dries up. In my humble opinion, Tavares should have never been promoted beyond COO (chief operating officer). The man apparently is an industrial cost expert, but he does not understand strategy and does not get the passion that customers have for cars and trucks. Jim Farley and Mary Barra seem to be much more adequate in the CEO role-- Jim Farley should probably fire his COO, though (given how much trouble in quality and supply chains they have).
Reluctant is a lot different than let’s wait and see how it turns out.
Have you ever heard of paragraph formatting? 😂
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Do you think that Stelantis only has problems with its brands in the USA?! I can tell you that's not true, the group has even more problems in Europe with its brands,... sales are also falling a lot here, the problem is you have two brands here but the same vehicle and all the new ones only come as electric. .. Fiat, Alfa, have almost been forced out of the market, they don't have enough models, it's like Crysler with only one vehicle... and to save costs they just want the same engine across all brands chassis.. Jeep in Europe, the old Grand Cheeroke was once the best-selling SUV with diesel, and as a petrol engine, the last generation now costs too much and is only available as an X4 Hybrid with 4 cylinder like the Jeep Wrangler with the same engine, and all cost well over USD 86.000-100.000,- so we will see in which direction Stellantis now go….
Better quality, start there… like way better quality. Lower prices. Focus on core bread and butter & stay away from the niche shiny stuff.
Just saw a video of a Hurricane motor replacement on a Jeep Wagoneer which failed due to overheating and a failed thermostat. The jist of it is, it required a full body/cab lift and the motor is a real, real bear to work on, requiring serious hours to disassemble the various systems and subsystems. Stellantis seems to have some major challenges and it’s looking like Ram or Jeep’s business outlook isn’t so good.
Saw the same video. That mechanic screwed up. It’s a customer service bulletin already on the thermostat. He should have looked that up.
@@Pickuptrucktalk So, how does that account for a warped head and deck?
Was it this mechanic or another mechanic on a previous service? A warped head and deck is the result either way. A damn shame to see that happen either way. I wish Ram and Jeep the best and hope they make a comeback. I am wondering if they have the economic cash position to do a major rethink and retool for some of the suggestions you made, eg, going back with a different motor or V8.
@ easy. You run it so hot it warps things. Check out the GW forum. Lots of owners had the fix applied with no problems. I’ve had a warped head. You run it hot enough you’ll have that problem too.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I understand head warpage and block deck warpage from overheating aluminum components, my question is how did the mechanic or some other screw up?
About fn time!!
This is AWESOME news! Get the F out!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They need to bring VALUE back into their products. That does not mean doing minor upgrades and cosmetic changes and jacking the price up by 10's of thousands.
Good riddance, Stellantis is the worst thing to hit Mopar in a long time
The etorque hemi has less tailpipe emissions than both of the hurricanes. I don't even know if the hemi should come back but they need to do something better than the hurricanes.
Hopefully a harbinger of better things to come for Jeep and Ram. I've heard bad things about the new Hurricane inline 6, but I have no personal experience with that engine, though I've heard it is very smooth. I do have the 5.7 Hemi is a 2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L and absolutely love it, smooth, powerful, a great engine in this SUV. Too bad it's no longer available, I think the 3.6 V6 is the only engine you can get in it now (except a 4XE if not mistaken?), but to me, it's too underpowered in the Grand Cherokee.
Trucks are a different market with the work-truck duty that need V8s and diesels but many trucks are second or first cars. The Hurricane six will satisfy that market. Most important is quality and price.
Make a 6.4 fit in the 1500 and you have an engine ready to go. And then make that an SRT trim under the RHO.
One CEO down, two to go (Ford and Toyota). GM has been doing surprisingly well recently.
Quality is the biggest thing in my opinion and then Price. Chrysler has sucked balls for 70 years but now that the price is so high it makes owning a Chrysler a foolish game.
It’s about time.
He went Woke: RAM, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler going broke!!!
Bring the Hemi Back!
😂
They woke up far too late. And quality has long sucked. They are cooked either way.
😂😂😂 that's not coming back
I think the extended range RAM is a great idea what is taking them so long to get it m out?
They keep saying they are working on making sure it is perfect.
Happens when you get rid of the HEMI 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The US brands need to stay in the the US we shall see if Stellantis separates the US company an stays in the US .
Hey maybe start running more e85!! Not as efficient but burns much much cleaner
Finally all the TH-camr headlines can be true.
LOL. This is the best comment on this thread.
What a mess - time to dump brands like fiat and concentrate on ram and jeep to make them profitable again
Sucks for the American employees and the fans of these brands
Hey Tim, will this affect your truck purchase?
No.
The fact they can’t offer normal mid size truck and not jeep with bed is crazy . Their hornet was failure . Ev tax going away
Pretty crazy stuff. Thanks for reporting. I've heard both the Dodge Charger EV is a disaster (it's bricking at dealerships), and the Ram 1500 REV is doing the same in testing. There is going to be some tough times coming in 2025. PHEV is where things should be heading for the short term. I think Toyota is about to introduce a bunch of them (I did a video about that today).
I think PHEV is overblown. When you look at the ROI, it takes forever to get your money back. Plus several studies have found people don’t actually charge their PHEVs at all.
PHEV problem number 1 is that if you try to drive electric most of the time you will cycle the small battery to death. The small battery won't last as long as a bigger battery in a BEV that doesn't need to charge 0 to 100 everyday. Go ice or BEV. Maybe a range extender for the nervous Nancy's out there.
@@Pickuptrucktalk As far as owners not plugging in.. yeah you can't fix lazy and stupid. Although depending on gas prices and how much you pay for electricity, there might not be much of a difference (we have solar). I've had a RAV4 Prime for about 3 years. Absolutely love it. The big thing about PHEV's is that you can do your daily commuting on all EV.. and then use the gas engine for long trips. The other thing, is because of the large battery and motors, typically PHEV's have great performance. There are a lot of pickup owners/buyers that have been clamoring for a PHEV Truck. Just watch. We can talk again in a year, and we'll see what happens.
@@BigBilly7 Toyota PHEV's keeps extra battery on reserve, so it doesn't get fully depleted. We've had our's for 3 years, and we have the exact same range as we've had when we first purchased her. Also, with PHEV's, even if you lose a little bit of range, you still have a great hybrid system.
If he's leaving early it sounds like maybe the board has decided they want to sell cars again.
Hopefully they won’t get silly and cut the hurricane out.
First off bring up the quality of what you’re selling to the people and make it affordable. Save the hurricane engines for Jeep and the entry engine for Ram, bring a revised Hemi for the upgrade engine. For god sakes lower the price on everything if you ever want to sell anything again or you will end up like Jaguar.
Musk should buy and run the company.
I thought the same, until the Cybertruck .
There seems to be two different views on this going on in the webs:
1. Yay! Things are going to get better!
2. Oh No! Things are going to get worse!
Me. Let's see what happens.
Start the 1500 classic production again, Bring in smaller ram trucks that other countries get!!!
Yea after he destroyed dodge and jeep and probably walked away with millions pure garbage 🗑 🤬🤬🤬🤡
This is going to be long.
But honestly as a 2025 Ram Hurricane owner, I'm fine with the Hurricane engines. They are powerful and power delivery is progressively natural. What Stellantis needs to do is try and bring more cars to the market. Probably with fuel economy in mind. To help offset the company mpg average. Also find a way to make the half-ton trucks lighter and mix in a hybrid system to the RAM 1500 SST SO and HO.
Like what someone else said, follow the market and bring back the Dakota. They should have brought back the Dakota before producing the Gladiator. The Gladiator has some of the best approach and departure angles but it's break over angle is fairly bad. It's also quite a bit more expensive than the competition. Like Ford, utilize the Hornet platform and produce a unibody small truck. That right there fills out Ram's lineup. Full-size, mid-size, and small size pickups.
The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer should make Durango and Grand Durango. The Durango will proceed as normal just get updated riding on the same unibody platform. Competing against the Highlander. The Grand Durango will be the body on frame competitor to the Tahoe. Bring back a modern Journey to place it between the Hornet and the Durango.To help facilitate the base price of the new Charger, they should throw in the 2.0t i4 from the Guilia. So that the Chargers engine lineup is 2.0t, replace the SO SST with a 5.7 Hemi for the midrange engine. Then throw in the HO SST as the top of the line engine. 4, 6, and 8 cylinders for all types of people. It'll be a waste of money but shelve, not drop, but shelve the EV Chargers for now. But Dodge should a lineup like so, the Chargers, Hornet, Journey, Durango and Grand Durango. Aside from the Chargers try implementing hybrids across all models.
Jeep for the most part is fine, maybe drop the Gladiator in favor for what should be the Ram Dakota.
Doing this will help fill out the models that's sorely missing from Dodge and Ram. There is just so many brands under Stellantis right now. They are probably having a hard time trying to figure out what to do with all of them. They can try and bring more models out by utilizing all the engines that they have. Maybe replacing some engines, like replacing the 2.9tt v6 from the Giulia for the 3.0tt i6. That's one less engine to develop with a larger variety of power for the Giulia can then be had in 2.0t, 420 hp 3.0tt and 550 hp 3.0tt. Lower the price to the Giulia 2.0t to better fit pricing for the 3.0tt SO and make the HO the Quadrifoglio pricing. Chrysler is pretty much dead. Only having one model in its lineup, replace that brand for Alfa Romeo. Utilize the Jeep RWD/AWD platforms and make performance SUV's for Alfa Romeo. To be better suited to compete with MB, BMW, Audi, Cadillac and Lincoln.
So the brands, at least for the US. Will be as follows:
Ram with 3 trucks, 2 body on frame one unibody.
Jeep mostly the same with the exception of the Gladiator. The luxury off-road brand.
Dodge as the mainstream brand. With 2 and 4 door Chargers, Hornet, Journey, Durango and Grand Durango.
Then Alfa Romeo, the luxury sport brand. Utilizing Jeeps RWD architectures to make sporty crossovers to compete with the likes of BMW, MB, and Audi. Aside from using the 2 v8 engines and the naturally aspirated v6. Utilize all the turbo engines. So Alfa Romeo will have a range of 4 cylinder engines, hybrid assist powertrains, and 2 variations of tt 6 cylinder engine. Become the brand that Cadillac decided not to be. Sure they have the Blackwing models and the Escalade V. But that's it, Alfa Romeo could have a performance or even hybrid variations of most if not all of their models.
Maserati if anything, segregate it's suppliers, only use high end interior materials. Maserati has been known to be using Ram and Dodge materials for a while. That needs to stop.
If I was the incoming CEO that is what I'll do. At least for the US market.
You are right. That was long. 😂
Gladiator is far superior to Dakota. They can make a Dakota a sublime from Ram and no need to try to piggy back from Gladiator. Jeep and Ram are two separate items and are build in different plants
@@JM21999
Yet the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are using the Ram 1500s platform. They are not entirely separate. Platform sharing would be far more cost effective. IMO having a cheaper Dakota instead of the more expensive Gladiator would not only make more sales. But it would most likely be more profitable despite selling more units for a slightly lower price tag. If anything like the Canyon/Colorado duo, sell them along side one another. At least look-wise there will be far more differentiation between the Mopars then between the GM twins.
@@99-Zulu I understand what you’re saying but I believe there is a market for all to coexist because they have different customers . Jeep, dodge and rams should offer choices
Dakota with Rams,
Wrangler with Gladiators,
Jeep Cherokees with idk lol
Challengers with chargers and Durangos.
Anyway let’s see what new this company does next and the direction in will take. If they put in another European WEF climate stooge then it will be all for nothing.
Prices sell cars. Not CEO’s.
Most consumers want consistency. Consistency of product, performance, and quality.
All manufacturers have failed miserably at this over the past 3 or 4 years, including Toyota, but Stellantis has failed at this most spectacularly.
Financially, Stellantis is in very bad shape. The likelihood that they are able to crawl back into profitability without selling off parts of the company is slim to none.
The only automaker doing worse is Nissan.
I doubt Stellantis will survive in its current configuration and will look very different a year from now.
One thing is certain, Tim will have lots to talk/write about over the next year even if his RAM pickup doesn’t arrive by year’s end.
RAM needs to take care of their existing customers. That way, I wouldn't need to jump start my 2023 RAM after two days of camping when the whole thing goes completely dead. Any they could make the RAM actually be able to charge it's own battery during a 3 hour drive on the freeway instead of slowly killing the battery until a tow is needed. Oh yeah, and they could make trailer light check actually work --- you know after service visits and a ticket open for a year. Oh and my truck wouldn't slam on the brakes in reverse backing into my driveway when no one is around --- that would be a good fix --- you know because a little 10 inch incline should be pretty doable. Oh and RAM could make it so I can actually CALL my dealer for recall service instead of being sent to voicemail 3 times now and never getting a single call back. Oh and they could fix the navigation so it would not freeze after a pit stop and become useless in the middle of a 3 hour roadtrip. Oh yeah, and they should fix the target trailer tire pressure setting so it doesn't reset to "50 psi" every trip. Dear RAM ---- Fix sh*t for your existing customers before you build more shiny stuff with new engines.
This is great 🎉
Maybe a new Hemi with twin turbos? Doubt we will see anything like the Hellcat Hemi again.
Threatening the US base plant managers that they will be replaced by European plant managers is the biggest empty promise. Europeans can’t keep up with manufacturing pace we are accustomed to here in the USA. Also there are no month long “Holidays” in the US.
The Europeans plant managers would struggle just as bad as US plant managers if not worst.
Stellantis biggest problem was competing against Ranger Rover segment instead of sticking to the core values off the Jeep brand
Everyone knows the best way to improve a troubled car company is to merge with another troubled car company. If it doesn't work the first time, then it will surely work the second time. Right? It didn't? Hmm. Strange!
Funny how so many are saying “please bring the Hemi back” that probably were the same ones talking trash about the Hemi
They double the prices on all there vehicles so it was bound to happen.
Bring back the 5.7.
The good thing is, it can be fairly quick.
Tim Esterdahl for Stellantis CEO
Yeah no. LOL. I like being on the outside.
I thought you said they wasn't doing that Bad lol. Its just a model change gear & some other cope.
For starters cost cutting was accomplished when he left.
I’ll be surprised if the V8 Hemi comes back. Manufacturers don’t typically go backwards like that. Although maybe they could bring back the Hemi in another gas engine form.
The 5.7 will be easy to make a comeback. It will be like the 5.0 In ford.
@ Yeah but they won’t just simply bring back the 5.7
The 5.7 is not that far gone. If it had been years out of the market I would say it wouldn’t be that simple. The shape that company is in they will take drastic measures to turn it around. Don’t forget it’s still in the Durango. So it’s not completely dead. They still have the means to use it.
They are really good or bad depending on how u look at it about making last call special editions.
guy walked out .. millions in his pocket
Poor Quality, Higher Prices are the ultimate killers of Stellantis, too much product line, too many sub-models and not enough brand quality. The Chrysler I knew, Died when Daimler Chrysler was born! I don't see anything to get excited about with Stellantis these days.
I want me a 100,000 grand wagoneer with a big fat 6 cylinder hemi engine
I don’t need no stinking hellcat
Take his pension.
Long live the V8!
Its about F'ing time. He has trashed the CDJR name. Hopefully they can rebuild their name.
His resignation couldn’t come fast enough. It will take CDJR years to climb out of the mess he’s made.
I don't feel sorry for this guy cause he got paid almost 40 million dollars last year. His ideas were made not on what the customer wants but what governments want. This business plan is horrible and can not sustain any company, especially in sales. Hopefully, the American companies can rebound from new leadership.
I drove a 4xe and it kinda sucked to complex and was not very refined
It's not going back to V8.
With that sunburn, gotta be a fisherman.
Nah, just a skin issue.
Any news when your rho is being delivered
Nothing new. It is in production.
I am a "Tim". I like to drink too. A gear head since the 1970s. My Dad taught me.
Too little too late! He destroyed the Jeep & Mopar brand!
The damage is done ! Most wisened up to the fact that stellantis is a major failure !
Chapter 11 next
This guy was a horrible leader.