THE FASTEST TORPEDO EVER: SUPERCAVITATING TORPEDO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.พ. 2021
- The development of supercavitating torpedo has taken torpedo countermeasures to a different level. After Russia developed “VA-111 Shkval” supercavitating torpedo, Russian scientists stated that it is not possible to defend against it. Because the high-speed torpedo will enable submarines to attack enemy subs and surface ships without giving them time to respond.
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The guidance system is the real can of worms. Radar doesn't work underwater, Sonar doesn't work in an air bubble, and getting a fiber optic or wire link to spool out at 250 Kts. without breaking is going to be a challenge. The terminal guidance would have to be based on either a Magnetometer or a Blue-Green Laser, both of which have a very short range, and a narrow field of view. Whenever they say this stuff is "Just around the corner" another corner shows up.
it can't turn that much anyway and has short effective range, short range narrow field of view guidance would probably work
As a point-defense system, on a trainable launcher, it has potential. If you have to go hunting, it would work best as the terminal stage of a two-stage system. Close range, and periscope depth is not a good place to engage modern surface units that you can't outrun, and who's air assets you have no defense against.
I'd rather not get into the specifics of the guidance system on a public forum, but I can say that in my take on the concept, the first stage is an underwater glider. Instead of swimming out of a torpedo tube, it drops out of the boat's belly, like a bomb. Wings folded, and weighted down with ballast, it plunges towards the bottom. Upon reaching the proper depth for the mission, the ballast detaches, and the "wings" unfold. It then begins to ascend again on a glide path, slowly, but very silently, toward it's prey.....
The only practical use is to deploy a nuclear warhead. That’s the only option that doesn’t need guidance.
Perhaps a internal AI navigation unit can sense the changes in direction and change course as it is now a rocket using a rocket engine !
Accuracy is a problem without help it seems to me !
They are cheap to make so launch four spread at the target but the range and accuracy is very questionable !
@@ijamsum All the AI would have for input would be a compass or a gyro, which would make the torp a straight-runner at best. If you ever got close enough to use it, the noise would give your position away and the task force would quickly hunt you down. Although it could be worth the supreme sacrifice, men with the temperament and training for sub duty don't exactly grow on trees.
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What a fantastic informative video is this.
Supercavitation was already in the minds of science fiction writers in the early 1960s. I remember an adventure show about an underwater satellite that moved at the speed of sound through the water. Thought it was "Sea Hunt!" but a search provided no clues.
You're not thinking of the SSRN Seaview are you? This was in a show called 'Voyage to the bottom of the Sea'. The show was broadcast around 1964/5.
Thanks for the information
Thanks for the informative content Navalpost
I’m worried you’re planning to do something with this information 👀
A great video with excellent commentary! Fab job.
You get a little over two minutes to evade the torpedoes of fires at max range.
Enuff time to Don your life jacket and start swimming. :)
Sometimes just a straight torpedo Target is all you need
Yeah, just like the one that hit the RMS Lusitania.
Fascinating, thanks.
Our pleasure!
It might be combined with a conventional or some sort of silent slow engine at the rear, kind of like a space rocket's first stage. So the combo is fired in advance and creeps towards the target as a silent torpedo at, idk, 20 kn. Then when in range - the "1-st stage" accelerates to 50kn in a burst of power, then lights the rocket thruster and falls off, and the supercavitating torpedo proceeds the last few miles to target.
That was my immediate thought. Dont tell the Russians :)
@@mokiloke I'm Russian, but also most certainly not the first one to think of this kinda shit.
@@suzukirider9030 Lol, just jokes, I find supercavitation and the possibility of full submarines running super cavitation to be amazing, but would make extreme amount of noise.
@@mokiloke These are more like underwater missiles than torpedoes, though. A full submarine using that kind of thruster... not happening.
@@mokiloke The Nazi experimented with solid-fuel rocketplanes back in the day. Anything propelled by a solid-fuel thruster is a pucker factor over 9000, and generally no human wants to be onboard. You've no control over the "engine", which is basically a slow-firing gunpowder-casing. Once it's lit - it WILL burn, no matter what, at full-power, until it runs out of fuel. No thrust control, not even an emergency shutoff of any kind...
Really educating
I'd love to see a diagram or ideally a photograph of the interface between the tip of the torpedo and the water. Must be out there somewhere but I've had no luck. 🤔
Supercavitatingisticexpialidocious!
Damn Russia you scary!
How else would you defend from a bunch of aircraft carriers? Each of the US Navy carriers has more warplanes than some countries' air forces... And the entire US Navy has more carrier-based airplanes than the Russian Air Force! While Russia doesn't have any real carrier - the Admiral Kuznetsov is akin to a US Marines' escort carrier at best... and the thing is perpetually broken... And of all things bad with it, even it's toilets are somehow designed so badly that you can't even... anyway, Russia effectively gave up on aircraft carriers.
Interesting, HMS Conquer used old Mark 8 torpedoes to sink Belgrano, these are a WW2 era design.
Nice video, but almost zero details on how the torpedo is designed and CN achieve the vavitation
Some video material from Russia report about russian torpedo skwal has been used in this video :-)
Great video. But did the germans seriously call their supercavitating torpedo "barracuda"? 😂
Yeh, we have a thing for giving weapons animal names, like the tiger and leopard tank
In WW2, the German submariners called their torpedoes "eels", and American submariners called theur "fish"
Doubt it! The Kreigsmarine didnt go in for silly names!
Still we must consider the area of research that they're doing in this type of Technology you have 200 Mi an hour Torpedoes come after the ship and we don't detect it on sooner I think that's something that the DARPA pretty well knows about I hope
Having read about the problematic development of torpedoes during WW2 I wouldn't worry about these things until they are shown to work in combat situations. It's one thing to develop something in controlled environments - another thing entirely to use them when under hostile conditions. I'm not saying they won't work, but history does have a knack of repeating itself.
Anyone know about aerogel?
It can only fire on a straight line. It very hard to steer.
These Russians are really good, huh. Imagine what would have they done if they had the budget the USA has. Mind-blowing 🤯
there is no way of evading something that is 10 times your speed and that something can be steered... the only defense is to kill it
But how? Launching a counter-torpedo which is slower but gets in the way and forces a detonation?
@@tatumergo3931 It depends on the torpedo itself. I think all of the super-cavitating torpedo doesn't have any kind of sonar equipment. Their just to fast and to loud to hear anything else.
@@tatumergo3931 Yes, they do work well in close range.
@@suzukirider9030 depth charges in the general vicinity would damage the torpedo and prevent it from supercavitating, just drop lines of depth charges/mines in the path of the torpedo and explode it.
Evasive maneuvering could still work, providing you already had a few knots under you. For all of it's speed, it's turn radius is very wide, and the field of it's targeting sensor very narrow. You could probably employ the zig-zag "notching" tactics used by fighter aircraft, to shake off the sensor lock, and get the torp to squander it's limited energy on course changes.
This is the Torpedo the sunk the Kursk.
Why make a supercavitating torpedo when you can just use hydrophobic coatings to reduce skin friction on a torpedo?
Resistance to the water itself. Faster to push a bubble through the water than the torpedo. The torpedo rides in the bubble.
Hi there, all -
Just a casual observation but, although I now perceive the 'Achilese heel' of the Supercavitation concept as applied to current torpedo theory, I in No way now discount the application as a mere side-novelty of hydrodynamic physics, but rather ponder the question of the potential of sub-aquatic, high-volume Passenger/cargo transport, ey ?
Proper engineering, good design, right materials - Hell, let's Do this Thang, yah ??
Already on it. A rocket goes fast, but not all that far. To do it on the scale of an ocean vessel, you would need an air-breathing system that took in air from the conning tower and directed it down to the emitters in the submerged hull. It couldn't use the "Hyperdrive" when fully submerged, and the fuel burn would be too high to cross an ocean with, but being able to turn your boat into a bullet train for even an hour or 3 would be a sweet option in an escape or rescue situation.
Quantum-lev vacuum tube, I guess.
If I had research-and-development money and I knew it was a possibility of developing this type of torpedo and don't you think I'ma spend money on it
Just go to Missiles.
it's just an easier to intercept missile, missiles can at least turn to dodge
if you put a depth charge in the path of the torpedo it can't dodge
We should be worried about super cavitating Torpedoes not worried about it but just developing ways to detect them we've done it with everything else haven't we?
Skip the music plz.
I've got your supercavitating torpedo hanging
There is now new generation of super fast thorpedo, made by Russia, it can go underwater as fast as commercial plane.
Uses a warp engine and putins underpants to propel it no doubt. You still havent corrected the problem of the spot spot vortex displacement which caused the torpedo to smash itself against the water. Its an attempt of russia developing yet another nazi era concept, using modern tech, yet fails to prove itself against ATPBMS systems. Its an manouverable as a breeze block at speed. Totally inferior to a straight running fire-and -forget torpedo.
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That is fucking terrifying
Thats the power of a torpedo. If you look at causality reports of battles in WW2 after seeing that you can understand how a ship went down with all its crew. Ship gets broken in half. If you survive the explosion the shockwave from the explosion travels through the hill and breaks your ankles and legs so you’re not getting out.
@@ryanhampson673 Not just WW2 but WW1 too. Not all ships break in half after getting hit by the torpedoes and some people on board do survive, but it still is very scary.
Won’t do anything if we’re 20 miles away and drop a mk-48
Vomit charge of Naval intelligence I'm going to look for these new technologies to pick catches out there, and I could do it while I'm having a cup of tea with the admiralty
Combine this with the latest drone technology + 20 yrs in the future = where military tech is actually at
intro music TOO LOUD
She likes saying super cavitation torpedo in a British accent
Couldnt hear totally unnecessary background music, when will people learn that effing awful unnecessary music does NOT enhance the shopping experience
*I call bullshit on the Shkval.*
Oh, I don't doubt that it _exists,_ but I doubt _very_ much that it could actually function in the real world. Here's just one example why:
Supposedly the torpedo is cable-controlled. The cable would have to be heat-proof to withstand the high temperature of the rocket blast. A control cable with heat-proof shielding, capable of being yanked at 200kts could not be some thin cable, such as what a bicycle might use; it would be relatively stiff and thick; probably at least 1cm in diameter. One can see the junction box on the back of the Shkval in the photo on Wikipedia; it's about 12cm across. Of course, that's the size of the _connector,_ not the cable, but it suggests that the cable is probably _at least_ 1cm in diameter.
Now imagine the size of a drum holding *nine miles* of 1cm cable.* It would have to be located in the nose of the sub that launched it. And how could it be payed-out quickly enough?! The drum it's on would itself have to be powered to turn at high speed, just to be able to release the cable without fouling the torpedo. As a point of reference, the Russian UGST wire-guided torpedo has a top speed of about 45kts. And that cable doesn't have to withstand the blast of a rocket engine.
And remember: _the cable_ absolutely WILL cause drag; there is no way to avoid that. The torpedo itself might be supercavitating, but that effect doesn't extend much beyond the length of the torpedo and the rocket's blast area. Nine miles of cable will impart tremendous drag.
Try to imagine this set-up on land: say, in a large truck on the runway of an airport. It has a drum of cable that's attached to a 747, facing away from it. The 747 will take-off and fly 9 miles while towing a 1cm diameter cable, without breaking the cable, or having the drag of the cable ruin its flight characteristics. Possible? Just barely. Practical? Not even close.
No, my guess is that this is a typical Russian _wunderwaffe,_ which began life as a design exercise, caught the eye of someone high-up in military procurement, and they puffed it to the Kremlin who greenlit the _promotion_ and _development_ of the project, but hid its failures. It exists to impress and intimidate, but there were simply too many logistical challenges to overcome. So instead they keep it out there as if it is operational, but can't actually _use_ it.
Excellent write up and great points on the physical limits.
Она может быть самонаводящийся.
Imagine wasting your time an writing 400 words, all based on a wrong assumption.
During the Argentine situation they use a World War II torpedo, to knock out remember that
Here because of Scott
It's not "skval". It's SHKVAL
if you just filled the nose with lead it would go straight through an aircraft carrier, which would probably be the most effective method. The enemy would not know they were sinking until they lost contact with the lower decks. A hole right through would prevent compartmentalisation being effective.
but you dont need to sink the carrier, you need the carrier to retreat which a underkeel detonation does very well
@@xandorian8242 Авианосец вообще не нужно топить, главное повредить взлетно-посадочную полосу. И растреливай его как мишень. Но полосу повредить сложно, корабль хорошо защищен противо-воздушной обороной. И вот для этого и придумали русские гиперзвуковую противокорабельную ракету ЦИРКОН.
Ballance your background audio for God's sake it's way too loud and distracting
Has anyone mentioned the guidance system? Oh, let's use the missile terminus systems Russia uses as an example? If they fired a missile with whatever munition aboard at oh, let's say Las Vegas? They would be supremely lucky if they hit Nevada anywhere. Why? Russian GPS relies on 6 satellites. Total. US GPS uses...oh, that's right. 248 satellites. Bit less likely to jam, what?
3 are enough for sub-meter accuracy
I had that idea in 1968 at 8/9 years old.
The U.S. Navy beat me to it before then.
But a small boat with mountings for a Compressed Gas Launch would be handy in the Ukraine at the moment.
Targets at at Anchor.
Ist this a russian Press Relation Video, personally I dont belive that superkavitation will Work!
This torpedo was a disatser. russia failed to overcome the technical problems., namely the smallest inperfection in the cavitation bubble caused the torpedo to slam into the water and destroy itself. A dead-end concept with current technology.
lol, it's already in use
I doubt this story. Cavitating just slows you down because you are sucking air. You still have to guide and hit the target which has counter measures. The best option is a nuclear bomb dropped at the sub or ship, it has a 2 mile kill radius. Some ships and subs can go as fast as a traditional torpedo.
With the recent thrashing the Russian military has been receiving against Ukrainians, it's extremely difficult to imagine the Russians being on the forefront of military hardware. Their equipment they already have is in dire need of upgrading and intensive maintenance....
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Loud, annoying music, making it almost impossible to hear or concentrate on what the narrator says = downvote !
There is no way I'm going to believe the US has no supercavitating torpedo. They never reveal their very best. Or at least some countermeasures for the aforementioned.
I think the USN considers it a novelty not worth building. It sounds fancy, and it has some impressive qualities, but I think there's a reason no other country really has a supercavitating torpedo.
These torpedoes are good with nuclear warheads.
The Americans tried, but they failed. They even tried to steal blueprints from the Russians. The Germans did same torpedo, but it have not been put into production.
@@basargaloran7998 So you tell us that US and Germany isn't capable of building what Russia and Iran did ?...and you bet your ass that Russia used some Western technology to just produce them and I'm pretty sure electronics at import as well. Almost all Russian Avionics are imported from US and France.
@@ruslankazimov622 What kind of electronics? The calculator is smarter than this torpedo. Read something about this technology at least .
This Russian torpedo has been in service since 1977.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
The Germans showed their prototype only in 2005, but production has not yet begun.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superkavitierender_Unterwasserlaufkörper
The Iranians bought a Soviet torpedo and developed their own by reverse engineering.
nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-and-iran-both-have-supercavitating-torpedo-america-has-none-145752
The US project (HSUW) remained in its infancy.
nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russias-200-knot-torpedo-weapon-us-navy-cant-match-166465
@@basargaloran7998 You do know the Americans had Nuclear warheaded naval shells in the 1950's right?
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highly unstable and unreliable design of supercavitation torpedo. when i look the design.
it might simply work when the is no wave and under current.
and when it reaches turning angle it will drastically slow down or go out direction.
it can't be done by just designing the torpedo head.
it might be possible in the coming future.
Cool tech. Making your own air bubble under water so you can use jet power is awesome. I don't believe for a second that America tried but failed at making one. If America wanted one they'd have it. Whatever kind of torpedo the Americans use or are testing right now its def Top Secret and won't "Show all their enemy's" how to make one like in this video.
@@tatumergo3931 i take it you mean the rods from god idea? If you want to talk about efficiency and cost effectiveness you cant talk about rods from god. America squandered trillions of dollars on projection weapons programs too many to mention to be honest and on the other hand the likes of Russia were on the back foot and adopted a more defensive remit. Throughout history this is where innovation and improvisation tends to be born. For example the British with radar in ww2. Necessity is the mother of invention my friend
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Lets Go Brandon.
No matter how fast they move unless they move at the speed of light we can beat it. The US has laser defenses which travel at lightspeed since it’s basically a laser pointer you could just obliterate it with that. Computer guided ofc.
use a laser underwater to destroy something... 🤣🤣 there is something called school, go to it
@@internetisinteresting7720 great another moron.
The laser is mounted on the ship. It can be directed at an incoming torpedo IN the water. Without having to be underwater to destroy it. School doesn’t cover this kind of stuff so I wouldn’t expect a person with only a high school diploma to understand.
Before modern torpedoes came along during both world war 1 and world war 2 snipers/machine gunners would fire at the torpedoes as they came towards the ships. As time went on they developed new defenses to fight off torpedo damage. Like torpedo buldges. Essentially armored parts of a battleships main hull that have water in them so the energy from the torpedo exploding will be more easily distributed. It would increase the overall survivability of a ship suffering torpedo strikes.
The CIWS Phalanx is also capable of tracking and destroying incoming torpedoes.
Now the new laser point defense systems can do it better.
A laser will lost 50% of its power just in one meter of seawater, dude study about, absorption and scattering of light wavelength in materials, you probably have 14yo or you never went to school
@@internetisinteresting7720 my account was made in 2012. Considering the fact I’d have to be over 10 years old to form proper sentences with accurate spelling, that means I was at least over 10 when I made the account. The account is over 10 years old. So you’re not even in the ballpark.
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@@internetisinteresting7720 Did you ever consider the fact that the energy and heat distribution in the water the torpedo is traveling through would actually be enough to destroy it? The fact the laser defense system is still under development?
I did mention that during the great wars they used machine gunners to detonate torpedoes before they reached their targets. Do you know how much kinetic energy a bullet loses when it hits the water? But they still managed to shoot torpedoes down. I get you think you’re top of the class but you didn’t really make room for all the calculations
Russian torpedos explode in the launch tubes. There's just no defense against them!
My God, this commentary is soooo boring!
The problem with Iran is that they're not having bubble tea like we even with China will have a great night's and beautiful weekends and everybody's meeting each other celebrating together they building weapons, is totally unnecessary Iran used to be the queen the king of humanity, and now they're resorting to sending rockets and attacking Israel if you're spent half of that money on buying bubble teas everybody make money