Ceramic on olycarbonate on kevlar on steel plate is superior, imo. Comparable weight with superior protection against frang frag deform shock & cost seems like it better in my not so humble opinion.
at the end of the day weight matters far less then training if you cant run 1 miles in either and cant shoot you will probably die before 8lbs makes a difference, i run once a week in full 60lb kit, going to ceramic to save 8 lbs might cut 10 seconds off my mile time
I want steel for 3 reasons. 1. no expiration or drop compromise 2. rucking/weight training 3 im not planning on humping over afghan mountains, i own cars.
there is a trade off between weight and protection. It really just depends on your personal likes and dislike. i have used ceramic in the military and metal when I was a sheriff deputy.
a honest question; somewhat new to the firearm world so bear with me. I always hear how people don't expect to run into this caliber, or that caliber, but how can one be sure when half of all TH-cam can get those crazy rounds for armor testing and ect? Why wouldn't any of those high-powered rounds be found in the street in the actual situation? So the TH-camrs can get super rounds,.... But the bad guys won't?
Im somewhat of a gun nut, and i can tell you that there will always be the chance of the dude with an odd caliber as a wild card in shtf situations. And you cant control that, so just prepare yourself the best you can, be calm, use your head and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE with whatever caliber you run with. "Fear the man who has only one rifle, because he knows how to wield it." And one more factor is valid, make sure what you run with can be found in the most common places and what the enemy uses. If you run with your unique caliber, thats fine too, but be prepared to run out quickly. Or have a lot on hand. Hope this helps, sincerely OG-Okie
For me it’s not then again I’m not lugging around an M4 carbine and 7+ mags built out on my carrier.It’s a handgun an medical gear which is much more awkward to carry if you ask me.
I’ll be honest I just got some level 3+ steel 10x12 armor and that shit is crazy heavy. They say it’s only 8lbs per plate that shit feels like it’s more like 30 per plate lol. I’ve been power building for 20 years and that shit is even heavy to me. With that being said if I was in a situation where I was going into a war zone or something and had to tough it out I’d rather be with it than without it. However for the armed security shit I’m doing I’m about to have to find a lighter option or something and compromise because 8 hours with a front and back plate is crazy.
With a steel vest like that, you're wearing a freaking bowling ball on your shoulders all day. Sixteen pounds plus another one or two for the carrier, and more if you start hanging mag pouches or other crap on the rig.
@@kenofken9458 for sure I have 3 of them loaded with 30 rounds each on top of the plates. I will say if you have a good carrier with a good balance between the two plates it isn’t horrible at times but it’s too much for wearing all day long. These would be good for if you were stationary somewhere and only had to wear it in spurts. Maybe an hour or two at a time. You could probably push more if it wasn’t an everyday thing and it was an emergency use only thing and in that scenario you probably got about 2 good days of wearing this all the time before your shoulders or back can’t take it anymore. It’s heavy on your chest too when it comes to breathing it’s definitely harder to breathe too and that adds to the fatigue.
As a company you can’t say it, But I can… if you want it to feel lighter, EXERCISE is the most basic way combat gravity and fatigue.
Ceramic on olycarbonate on kevlar on steel plate is superior, imo. Comparable weight with superior protection against frang frag deform shock & cost seems like it better in my not so humble opinion.
I don't care how much it weighs is long as it saves my life .
at the end of the day weight matters far less then training if you cant run 1 miles in either and cant shoot you will probably die before 8lbs makes a difference, i run once a week in full 60lb kit, going to ceramic to save 8 lbs might cut 10 seconds off my mile time
I want steel for 3 reasons.
1. no expiration or drop compromise
2. rucking/weight training
3 im not planning on humping over afghan mountains, i own cars.
Valid point. We live in america, a first world country lol
Yes. Yes it is too heavy , often in absolute terms, but certainly relative to the protection it affords.
there is a trade off between weight and protection. It really just depends on your personal likes and dislike. i have used ceramic in the military and metal when I was a sheriff deputy.
Probably comes down to the physics, 8 pounds is 8 pounds. It has the resistance of 8 pounds of material......
Steel for targets ceramics for body armor.
a honest question; somewhat new to the firearm world so bear with me. I always hear how people don't expect to run into this caliber, or that caliber, but how can one be sure when half of all TH-cam can get those crazy rounds for armor testing and ect? Why wouldn't any of those high-powered rounds be found in the street in the actual situation? So the TH-camrs can get super rounds,.... But the bad guys won't?
Im somewhat of a gun nut, and i can tell you that there will always be the chance of the dude with an odd caliber as a wild card in shtf situations. And you cant control that, so just prepare yourself the best you can, be calm, use your head and PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE with whatever caliber you run with. "Fear the man who has only one rifle, because he knows how to wield it." And one more factor is valid, make sure what you run with can be found in the most common places and what the enemy uses. If you run with your unique caliber, thats fine too, but be prepared to run out quickly. Or have a lot on hand.
Hope this helps, sincerely OG-Okie
For me it’s not then again I’m not lugging around an M4 carbine and 7+ mags built out on my carrier.It’s a handgun an medical gear which is much more awkward to carry if you ask me.
Really? How is it awkward?
How is your steel holdong up to high velocity M193? Say out of a tight 20" barrel?
It does a great job.
Let me guess, you’re selling steel plates.
I’ll be honest I just got some level 3+ steel 10x12 armor and that shit is crazy heavy.
They say it’s only 8lbs per plate that shit feels like it’s more like 30 per plate lol.
I’ve been power building for 20 years and that shit is even heavy to me.
With that being said if I was in a situation where I was going into a war zone or something and had to tough it out I’d rather be with it than without it.
However for the armed security shit I’m doing I’m about to have to find a lighter option or something and compromise because 8 hours with a front and back plate is crazy.
With a steel vest like that, you're wearing a freaking bowling ball on your shoulders all day. Sixteen pounds plus another one or two for the carrier, and more if you start hanging mag pouches or other crap on the rig.
@@kenofken9458 for sure I have 3 of them loaded with 30 rounds each on top of the plates. I will say if you have a good carrier with a good balance between the two plates it isn’t horrible at times but it’s too much for wearing all day long.
These would be good for if you were stationary somewhere and only had to wear it in spurts. Maybe an hour or two at a time.
You could probably push more if it wasn’t an everyday thing and it was an emergency use only thing and in that scenario you probably got about 2 good days of wearing this all the time before your shoulders or back can’t take it anymore. It’s heavy on your chest too when it comes to breathing it’s definitely harder to breathe too and that adds to the fatigue.
@@cankeco I’ve been in the gym 20 years and can deadlift 500+ lbs it’s still heavy 🤦🏻♂️
@@Detroit_Playa but can you curl? lol
@ I think the real question is do you even lift? lol