Best way to charge your EV at home (for complete electric car novices) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Question for you when it comes to hybrids, can you please explain why some manufacturers just add a single electric motor to what seems to be conventional drive trains like what Subaru is doing, is it just laziness? I would have thought having electric motors direct driving the wheels to be more efficient, allowing for better control, power, torque and less maintenance, am I missing something (other than my marbles)?
Best way is to use your neighbor power
Thou shalt not covert thy neighbour's power!
Got a better idea you by pass the meter box go straight to the grid and it will be free but if you get caught it will be free accommodation in the big house
Just charge it at work, we have e.v at work, so I charge my battery motorcycle.
Ha ha ha finally this bogan admitted EVs are something worth looking at.
@Shiva Sapkota he had one. Never said once they weren't any use. He said they are useful in the city/short journey type work 99% of people make 99% of the time. I've got an electric motorcycle because its only 3.4 miles to work, I've a bmw r1200rt or my diesel car if I need to go farther a field/pull my trailer. This is why you can't go full electric, just use it for part of your life.
Just a clarification because I like detail and I am also an electrician here in NZ, the actual battery charger is built into the car. The wall box or 'trickle charger' are power supply units, the are not chargers. Pedantic possibly but I believe it is important for people to understand this.
so many different brand options out there. which EV have you gone with ?
I don't mean to brag, but I will anyway. In 1975, I did the electrics for our new home. I put in the sweat equity, saved shitloads, & went full gangbusters by running 3 phases underground for possible futureproofing.
Through my early foresight & now with decades of retirement under my belt, the stench of petrol fumes is a non-issue.
Our imported European vehicle is so advanced that we park undercover without fire risk.
Take my advice, if you have a perfectly good economical & supremely reliable ICE vehicle, KEEP IT.
No range anxiety, cheaper home & car insurance, just get your wife to top up the tank when the price is right.
Works for me. 😉
An inverter is DC to AC, a rectifier is AC to DC. The car has both, not necessarily in the same box.
Most houses I've dealt with ( As a sparky ) only have 80 amp service fuses, only a few have 100 amp. ( or more, special requirements )
Excellent advice. We've been running an EV for just short of 3 years now (and a 2nd one for the last year) and have installed a dedicated charger on the side of the house (as JC says - fire risk is extremely low, but outside is safer).
Just to add a few points - if you plan to install an EV charger at home, bear these points on mind...
1. Get a unit which has PEN protection inbuilt so there's no need to install an Earth spike into your beautiful Tarmac / paved / concrete / etc. driveway.
2. make sure it comes with, or has the ability to add, Current Transformers (CTs) which allow the unit to measure the total incoming power into the house. This lets the unit to back off on the charge rate if your HVAC etc kicks in mid-charge. It'll extend the charging time occasionally, but your main fuses won't blow.
3. If you have, or plan to get, solar or battery backup, make sure your unit is compatible.
4. If you're going for 3 phase (we already had a 3Ph supply to the house so it was a no-brainer), be aware that some cars, such as the Kona, will only use 1 phase as JC alluded to. However on our EV6 we use all 3 phases so the current drops to 16A per phase therefore there is less power draw per phase plus the charging time is ~1/3 less - and we're future proofed if our next car can charge at 22KW.
5. Get a tethered unit if you don't want to be digging around in the boot for the cable all the time. That way the cable is always in the boot if you need to do an AC charge away from home (DC chargers are always tethered)
Just as an FYI, we bought a Myenergi Zappi unit which does all of the above. It also allows you to set a PIN code to stop anyone charging when you're not home. It's been 100% reliable, has a really good app and it can schedule your charge for off-peak power etc. There are many other units available so the hardest part is choosing the right one for you.
I thought about getting an EV for commuting (140km a day) I mostly do nightshift and have solar + battery (got it due to the frequent blackouts)
If I got an EV and one of the chargers( my solar can run my 3phase bore in a blackout..
is there a way to set the charging to charge slower… but only take the excess solar if possible? Currently here in sunny perth.. I export 25-35kwh a day.. so if I could set the car to only drink solar )assuming 17kwh per 100km) somewhat for 6 months of the year I should never need to drink of the grid..
hope that makes sense
@@JimmInOz Short answer - yes you can do that.
With the Zappi app I can set the solar to charge the car first, then divert to the hot water cylinder (or vice versa) via the Eddi (an extra box that takes excess solar to heat water or power another device up to 3KW) or charge, in our case, a Powerwall 2.
You can set export limits on the master unit (usually the Zappi) so that it does what you want it to in terms of using solar first.
Downside - an EV will not charge at less than (IIRC) 1.4KW so if you have less than that available after everything else has taken its share then it will export to the grid. On 3 phase I suspect it would need 1.4KW per phase so that might be an issue. But a single phase charge cable would overcome that.
It's never going to be perfect but you should be able to do a lot more than you would with a dumb charger.
Check out MyEnergi's website. It's very informative and they do ship worldwide.
For the record, I am not associated with My energi and they don't pay me. I'm just a very happy customer.
@@JimmInOz Just beware, the there are stories that the Zappi has been found in the past to struggle and die in super high temperatures. It is designed and built for UK conditions. Once the ambient temp gets to 40° C or above, it can cook the internal electronics, especially more pronounced if installed in direct sunlight.
@@sparkytas thats good to know.. my shed can reach 50+ last Christmas here in perth we had a week above 45 outside in the shade… good knows how hot the shed was…. It’s significantly hotter in there
It seems to me that the majority of EV's will have a capacity around 50kWh simply because that capacity is chargeable overnight from close to empty.
Absolutely brilliantly explained video mate. I am a full EV owner and Electrical Engineer and can only say well done on the "mechanical" Engineers explanation.
Love your channel. Love your content.
Many thanks for the hours of interesting videos.
@@kevwills858No ICE vehicle or plug in hybrid.
Good summary John. Most people doing the daily average 30 klms per day only need the small EVSE (charger) which comes free with the car if they have weatherproof garage parking. Beats spending $800 to $2,000 n home EVSE ( charger) if you don't need it!
Overnight charge on the little one gives 100klms per day charge/travel so again usually all that's needed as you don't need to start everyday with a full battery, unless you are a courier.
Having said that if you do need quicker charging or solar smart charging (using only solar) a home EVSE (charger) is worth the money.
Lots of videos on charging on my EV channel to help everyone further understand living with a EV.
I'd recommend buying something like an Evolution Zappi V2 car charger, it has a current clamps which monitor your main feed and tapers the car's charging speed if you exceed your main fuse current rating (usually 63A)
The reason I went for the Zappi is I have a sub board in my shed which the EV is on, I needed to make sure the EV didn't trip the sub board or the house board.
As an added bonus it can also monitor your solar generation and can also taper your EV charging to ONLY use excess solar generation usually being fed back to the grid.
Thanks for the clarity John.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, being sensible and not acting like Jerry Lewis. Watched to the end this time👍👍👍
Will try to watch until the end too. Good Point
I have a wall box outside it’s pretty good. I like that I can change the amps from 32 down to 10. Sometimes I use the lower amps if aircon are running because I get worried about overloading the power. But I think that’s because I don’t really know enough about charging. Thanks for clarifying things.
Going by John’s video you are doing the right thing.
Great video. Thanks John
Minor point: Under Ausgrid's rules, Single phase 230v, 80A is all you get these days and for most people, the max you can draw is around 60A. Ausgrid made us install a 63A circuit breaker on our side of their 80A service fuse. Sure, older homes have a 100A feed, which Ausgrid will reduce to 80A if they get the chance. If (like me) you have 14kW (max) ducted aircon, 7kW (max) induction cooking, a 2kW clothes dryer, dishwasher etc and maybe a workshop with heavy power needs and you use them all at overlapping times, you may need a 3 phase upgrade to support an EV wall box charger's power draw.
I never found such an clear explanation in Germany! Thank you!
Thx John for another great report. I made the jump to a M3 Tesla about a month ago. Given I won’t be able to get fast charging for another month charging anxiety was front of mind initially. I’m just using a plug in charger now and it’s totally fine. Having said that the M3 is not doing huge distances. Overall it’s a pleasure to drive..
I work on the basis the trickle charger puts in about 12 km range for each hour of charge. The 7 kW type two charger (single phase) puts in about 40 km range for each hour of charge. As Cadogan points out the 7 kW charger will charge just about any car overnight. Only six of the 150,000 EVs in Australia in use have caught fire. One arson, three in house fires that burnt the car, one hit a tree at 160Km/h and one that ran over the driveshaft of a truck at 111 km/h.
I live in the inner city and usually drive short distances, so an EV is perfect for me! Except, like thousands of other households, it isn’t so easy because I live in an apartment building where getting electricity to my parking space isn’t exactly straightforward.
And then there’s the people who only have on-street parking. I’m curious to see how they’ll manage when ICE engines are phased out.
Those of us who rent are SOL (doubly so with no solar panels). Landlords aren't going to drop a couple of grand to install the charging infrastructure out of the goodness of their hearts without passing on at least the cost of install. Even worse are those who live in massive apartment complexes. The cost of installation of appropriate charging infrastructure for several hundred vehicles would have to be eye watering.
I can see this becoming a nightmare.
@@aftp4i94 likewise
@@tehclam One thing that is not addressed is the added risk of fire in an apartment basement carpark . As John mentioned the risk is low but the result is catastrophic . It will only take 1 EV fire to destroy an apartment block in Australia and the insurance industry will increase rates for buildings where EV's are charged . Who pays the increase ? I know Queensland Fire are already looking at building code upgrades etc.
Soon there will be plenty of fast charging available for weekly charging whilst shopping.
Some of the inner city councils are currently working on this.
@@guringai At a premium, though.
2.5k for the installation, did you supply the charger? 15m run of 6mm2 cable new circuit etc etc ? You were very well looked after if the installer supplied the whole shooting match! The other thing that needs to be spoken about is a little thing call 'maximum demand' covered in the AS 3000. Long story short, there will be a lot of places out there that will need to upgrade the mains to the house just to accommodate the wall charger, If it's done by the book haha!! 😄 this will also add big $$ ...
Thanks John. Great info for when I am ready.
I live in the states and my neighbor a couple doors down just had a 50kw dc fast charger installed in his garage. We were talking about it and he had to upgrade his main panel from 200A service ( split phase) to 350A service panel with all new wire from the pole to the house. His whole setup cost $30K. I told him he was crazy. spent half as much as his juicy ford truck cost..lol
I guess if they drive 24/7, mostly high speed freeways, AND money is no object - then of course by all means.
My lawn mower is an ev.
32A ev, + 32A cooker circuit + 15A hot water service + 15A air conditioner
+ smart home leaching devices, phone chargers, lights,
here's how i do it:
i "only" have about 24A in a single phase 230V line available at home. upping the current safely would mean excavating the garden so that's a no go.
i got the wallbox installed by code (class A rcd on its own separate circuit as the install manual states) and cabled to safely support up to 20A and the wallbox is configured to draw the same maximum 20A.
i normally keep the 58KWh pack at around 69% of charge unless i have to do a long drive - i do overnight charging enabling the "charge current limit" in the ID3 menu which limits the charge to 8A most of the time and it's been absolutely fine so far.
for the rare cases where i needed to charge quicker i let it loose to 20A and simply avoided turning on the oven or whatever.
this is my late father's car so since i wanted him to have a nice experience with it i pushed to have the wallbox installed but i could totally live on the included 10A charger and get to a public plug in the very rare cases where i needed some quicker charge.
Love your work as usual John.
Couldn't help but notice the convenient Simon Says at 4:22 :)
agreed, for solar system that is set up to deliver DC electricity DIRECTLY to the car charger is best used during the day. there are some solar systems that have the power output only delivered to an inverter (changes DC to AC) has a 3% power loss, in which case, overnight charging may be optimal especially if less expensive.
also, charging a battery at as slow as possible will extend battery life. so, when returning home, choose the amperage rate that will result in full charge being achieved next morning.
Thank you, fantastic information.
Valuable information clearly explain….thanks as alway JC
I've just organised a PowerPoint to be put in at work. I've got a MG HSEV, so only about 7 hours to fully charge on single phase. I'm pretty stoked.
As soon as you said "Goulburn's tourist highlights", a Visit NSW ad appeared showing tourist highlights of the Southern Tablelands. Unfortunately, neither Supermax nor the Goulburn Wastewater Treatment Plant rated a mention.
Great explaination John. My EV can drink at 11KW per hour and I only had Single Phase at home. To install 3 Phase is expensive as those electricians don't miss. The gain of 33% faster charging was not worth it especially when overnight with single phase at 32amps will charge most flat EV's to full. Heat is also the enemy of a battery so slower charging is better for the battery life. I would also recommend setting up for a portable charger so you can charge with any available power source from 240v 10amps through to 3 Phase 32amp. You can then use camping grounds and caravan parks as another source for charging if you wish to travel to dingo piss creek where there are no DC charging stations.
Great video. Very informative. In Canada newer houses get 200amp panels. Older houses (60-100amp) can get an upgrade which is not cheap (around $6-7K). Mine is a 100amp supply, I have a 16/32amp level 2 charger so I can use the 16amp setting when I have days were I need more current load inside the house.
Hi John, a point that I feel you should also make is that not all chargers are solar optimised this should be minimal requirement and there are a few that still don’t have the option. It effectively matches your solar grid export to have a 0 net cost to client.
Ryan M.
Charge HQ offer a software solution to cause charging with solar that would otherwise spill to the grid.
@@guringaisoftware won’t fix this issue, devices that are compatible! have a current sensing clamp that monitors the flow and adjust its communication with the vehicles charger hence the “” smart part of a relatively over priced dumb box. it either supports it or it doesn’t.
@@ryanm784 Ok, (charge HQ works on ours)
Thanks John.
We are lucky to have 3 phase already.
We "may" be getting a Subaru Solterra once the current Outback lease expires (understanding the "lab rat" risks) so its good to get a good understanding of the recharge aspects.
Also interested in the "two way" option where the car can potentially provide energy to the house.
Get the charger wall box put on your house, something you can add to the feature list if you goto sell or rent it out.
Solar charging dilemma.. Im just getting my new kona next month and being a lecky ive looked into the wall chargers and supplies needed. What shocked me was the electrical supplier requirements for ev charging. Up in mackay we have ergon only and if you goto there site it says no more than 20amps (4.6kw) on the main supply unless you get there controlled taffif. Downside here is solar input is only allowed on the main supply. Ive asked around a few installers and they didnt relise the requirement for ev's from the electrical supplier. I posted on a forum I'm in and some have commented that NSW has something similar but at 25amps. Anyway love watching you channel. Keep up the good work. Cheers
Great video John. I really want to get a Lvl2 charger for my condo, but at least for now, it is a pretty steep cost for the charger + complex installation in the condo garage for my PHEV.
I really do love everything about the torches other than the proprietary USB charging cable...
Point 5 @ 25:30 mark - if the car needs to be locked for charging to occur, does this mean you can't sit in the car at a public charger with the door open whilst you sit there waiting? A scenario would be a public charger, no rest facilities (eg coffee shop) open so you have to hang around the car.
I suppose you could have the window down whilst you sit there with the door locked but what if you decide to stretch the legs? Unlock the car and charging stops?
I have sat in the car unlocked while it charges and it is never locked while it is in the garage charging. But it is frequently necessary to lock and unlock it to make the cable let go
That’s the first time I’ve managed to watch you channel without screening at you. For once good advice. As for the cost of installing a wall box its dependent on how much work is needed to get power to the box. As for the cost of the wall box some car dealers / makers may offer one for free when you buy the car.
Apart from keba and teltocharge, are there some more which have pen fault inbuild and ct clamps support?
Love the review. Also have PV and powerwall with Powershop TOU plan.
Planning to get the Zappi v2.1 with inbuilt wifi, in 7KW tethered, for MG4 on novated lease. Will need to migrate to EV plan to boost 12-4am.
I’ve had my MG ZS EV for just over 12 months, and home charting with a 7kw single phase wallbox hasn’t been an issue. I have on average charge up 2 times a week, usually from bout 30% battery and takes about 4 to 5 hours charge time at 25amps. Supply and installation next of to my metre box was about $1200.
What brand did you buy
@@kondafitness6600wallBox Pulsar Plus 7Kw, supplied and installed by JetCharge Australia.
Electrical energy consumption in Australia is now also being billed based on power as well as energy. Demand based tariffs are the new standard in many areas of Australia. The bill is based not only on total energy consumption but also on the peak half hourly power consumption each month (during the defined peak hour window).
It's a really good idea to have a programmable smart charger which can be set to avoid peak period charging. It would be nice to have some info on the different charging systems available and what their features are. For instance, having a smart charger which can not only have timers set but also adjust the charging rate based on available excess solar PV capacity.
Another issue is some homes are going to struggle to have sufficient electrical capacity for adding an EV, especially homes in location where gas is/was used as a significant source of energy for space and water heating, and cooking. Often these homes have much lower rated electrical supply fitted because they only needed it to run basic appliances. With the push to electrify everything, some of these homes have converted to heat pumps for heating and are already maxing out their supply. Running a fatter cable from the pole on the street to the meter box can be a very expensive upgrade.
What’s your view on V2H chargers?
Just a heads up of my situation. I have three phase electricity in my house, and I have just purchased a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with a 22kw/h battery. That has a charging capacity of only 3.7kw/h. So I have the possibility to install a 22kw 3 phase charger, but it will only use up 1/7th of its capability. Even with a single phase charger I only use half of its capability to charge the car. The reduction of time charge time is only 3 hours difference between the ordinary trickle charging of the wall, vs a stage 2 charger. Also I have a free stage two charger at work Monday to Friday, so I'm not sure if it's worth investing almost 3k to save a few hours in charge time over the weekend. Any advice will be appreciated.
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Hi, Ive been informed that home and contents insurance are charging extra premiums for indoor Ev charging, because of fire risk.
John, Can you imagine a lot of EV's in an under [basement car park] ground car park at a block of flats or any similar situation, and one car there goes rogue, the fire dept has no hope maybe a tow truck might get it out with a cable but this is not likely to succeed. Imsurance companies will blanch if the building goes up.
In some countries. They have outright banned EV's using multistory and under ground car parks for that very thermal runaway reason.
Some car park owners here in the UK are starting to have the same concerns and not allowing EV's
@@sahhull I wonder how they get on in Norway, the poster child for EV's.
Will it matter if the wall charger is purchased and installed through the EV dealer or organised by yourself? I’m thinking from a warranty point of view.
Shouldn't matter.
The'charger'is just a supply
The car couldn't care less so long as it conforms to standards.
My house had already 3 phase connection so I installed a 3 phase charger from agl promotion. It is very gasr and it doesn’t affect my usual usage.
Always love your work! I think your statement about AC vs DC charging was fluffy. Power lines to the home or charging station is alternating current (AC). Batteries in EV's charge and deliver their power in Direct Current (DC).
Most if not all electric vehicles offer AC or DC charging. The thing is, supplying AC power to an electric vehicle means it has to use an on board AC to DC converter to charge. They are big, expensive and heavy. Not ideal to carry onboard an electric vehicle.
Supplying DC which is directly compatible to the batteries is easier because the conversion from AC to DC is done with hardware outside the vehicle with no weight concerns and active cooling is easy to addressed. That is why a massive big plonking dedicated DC external charger will deliver and charge quickier than an AC plug.
I could not agree more with your other comments!
Hyundai Kona 'Big Block' has a nice ring to it. Yet no 'rings'.
I have had an interesting run so far when trying to get the FBT discount for my wife's work car, but it's more appropriate on your salary sacrifice video, so I will write it there.
If you do trickle charge then you should use a really heavy extension cord. In the UK the standard plug is 13 AMPS however its almost impossible to buy a cord that will gve you 13 amps in the car. You may even end up getting one made up.
ok, so what's the solution for my 3rd floor flat? assigned parking, but owned by the freeholder...
The best option would to be able to charge during the day to maximize solar energy I would love to see a program to encourage charging at work
Amber Electric, the retailer, reflect the abundance of cheap daytime renewable energy with often super cheap power, especially on weekends.
Apparently certification does not require an on/off switch which makes the isolation switch I have quite handy. The charger is otherwise turned on and off by the wifi app or bluetooth.
I noticed all the charging experience with favoured makes, including stone age Shitzubishi . Nudge nudge. So whats the take on Hyundai/Kia latest class action. Will this go like the states, with a massive $$$$$$'s settlement? But some excellent points made, regards home charging. Charging outside though and not using my garage for its intended purpose? I love just driving in and being sheltered from the elements, including our cars and then stepping inside. That's a tough call.But a point worth considering.
My dad was a Fire Chief for over a decade and worked a few ICE car fires. They burn fast and hot but are relatively easy to extinguish and tend to stay out. EVs are a totally different animal. That being said, you really should have automatic sprinklers in your garage. They aren't that expensive if installed during initial construction. Some insurance companies will give you a discount for having them, but others won't using the logic that they raise potential loses from water damage if a pipe breaks/leaks as much as they reduce potential loses from a fire. Shop around and at the very least have a large fire extinguisher and outdoor spigot with enough hose to reach the farthest part of the structure so you can hose it off until the Fire Dept gets there. Fires are a situation where seconds count and help is minutes away. It can make the difference between losing the contents of a garage and losing your whole house.
Sprinklers wont do squat for a lithium thermal runaway fire.
It can make it worse.
Buy some lithium and drop it in water, see what happens.
@@sahhull reading comprehension. I clearly said EV fires don't act the same as ICE and the goal is to save your house, not to put out the car fire. Sprinklers are good for containment, which is the best you can hope for with lithium ion thermal runaway.
Hello from the shores of Lake Ontario. I live between two nuclear power plants. Darlington. and Pickering
In NZ we only get 63a.
I’m still wondering after this, is an an EV vs diesel worh it when your daily travel is around 230km a day
I don’t understand all this frustration about three phase power. Here in the US I have single phase 200 Amp 120 VAC power at the panel. In my electrical panel box I have a breaker with two 120 VAC 50 Amp circuits giving a theoretical output of 12 Kw. My EV’s BCS limits the input to 40 Amps or 11.6 Kw, still plenty for an overnight charge. This is the same way my stove, clothes’ dryer, hot-water heater, etc. are wired. Why not use two 240 VAC circuits to double your power if code permits?
No worries - just ewes a gennie maate or if your short on feul then whack your car on your bike torch / battery pack!
Do you not have charge timers over there? My car has one along with the wall box, scheduled to charge 0030-0430 on the cheap, plug in and let it do its thing on timer.
Also the domestic wall charger, whilst I waited for the wall box install I just put the charge block on top of the tyre under the wheel arch. Extension cord in a weather proof box where its plugged into the domestic wall charger.
very infuriating when you get folk charging to 100% instead of 80% on rapid chargers it takes ages for a 100% charge, charge to 80% and move on, at least in the UK chademo the LEAF uses unlocks after its charged so someone else can use it, unlike CCS.
Farouk! With the price o' KWh these days, that be sounding 'spensive to recharge.
Do it the COP27 way…take a chopper after the private jet
If you open circuit the isolating switch can you then unplug the charging lead…. Eg an emergency
Electrician here. What aren’t the authorities telling us? Anybody recall issues of power blackouts on hot days with overuse of AC?
The problem is that the cables from power stations running down hundreds of k’s to your street got overloaded when everybody was running AC on hot days (and a typical residential AC might only be 15-20 amps). Fortunately with the massive uptake of solar panels in residential areas this problem was mitigated somewhat by the required power being delivered locally by the solar installations. IE - on a hot sunny day 40% of required energy is supplied by local solar and the other 60% comes down the poles and wires from the power stations. That load might still be 90% capacity of the poles and wires (and the stations themselves), but we’re not overloaded and suffering blackouts.
Now imagine every resident having an EV (or two) parked in their driveway every night charging on a 32 amp socket right when there is a photon shortage ie- nighttime. Poles and wires, and the power stations themselves are going to be massively overloaded and we are back to blackout problems. A hot night where residents want both AC and charge their EV’s would be a worst case doomsday scenario.
I have heard of reports that state we require an exponential amount of additional power energy due to the increased demand and population growth, requiring massive capital investment that is extremely problematic. Cannot be feasibly done with the current “green” technology, so we require more “dirty” power which kind of defeats the purpose of the EV’s, or we need to seriously consider nuclear energy (which will never get past the nimbys).
So don’t expect a massive rollout of EV’s in the immediate future - it simply cannot be done with the current infrastructure.
That conversation was also had a long time ago. If you banned petrol passenger vehicles today the uptake of EVs would take two years to make a difference to electricity consumption . Except in Wagga and Albury Wadonga over Christmas. That was messed up.
The point is that EVs aren’t all coming at once. They are coming in the low thousands per year. Canberra still has less than 1000 registered EV passenger cars. That’s with two years discounted rego. It’s not a problem that needs to be solved for ten years
I don’t mind coal-powered electricity generation to provide greater base load. With modern pollution controls and efficiency it is better to generate power in the big central locations than have millions ICE cars with their inherent low efficiency and high pollution levels. Nuclear is a non-starter in Australia.
I find using a diesel Car is a lot easier. The convenience of just filling up and just driving is so good and I only have to do it every 600km. I think it may catch on ...
Especually for long distance travel
Expensive to run though, compared to EVs in the same price bracket.
@@guringai Not true if you live in the UK and need to use public charging.
Running a diesel is a lot cheaper per mile than an EV.
You think going to a servo is easier than plugging in your car every now and then? 😂
The use of "chargers" like the Zappi that has a current transformer on the incoming mains for load management will become a standard thing here I think, particularly with the use of solar to charge the vehicle battery during the day.
More data. More input
11-phase is 3-phase (hint: binary) ;)
Have ordered an EV from he who must not be named. Likely arrive in 1-3 more months. Usually drive 60km per day. Have solar PV reasonably large system - but mainly only useful on the weekend as during weekdays the car parked at work. Have had electrician install a 15amp outlet on the same controlled load circuit as solar hot water booster. Electrician advised couldnt do 32 amp as that would overload this curcuit when solar hot water comes on. Hope to charge much of my daily use during 2-4 hours in the wee small hours of the morning on controlled load and top it off on the weekend with solar. The other consideration I have is that slow charging might prolong the life of battery compared to faster charging.
Li-ion batteries- charge to 80% for everyday driving. Recharge at 10%. For battery health.
LFP batteries - charge to 100%, use down to 0%… doesn’t matter.
I protect my campers power lead joins from water by tightly and thoroughly wrapping in Al foil and elevating to keep out of puddles. Seems to work, at least I haven't been zapped yet!
There are proper covers that you get from Bunnings to do the same thing. Using foil is a very bad idea.
Straight talkin' is good for learnin'. Nice to 'ave you in our corner. Dude.
Point of order, may it please the court: is coal a hydrocarbon?
"You're not going to mine and move that shit with burning a butt-tonne of diesel."
Ya, I know. Withdrawn, your honour.
will you please stop dropping inconvenient facts..
Coal, oil and gas are hydrocarbons.
@@AutoExpertJC Ideally, coal would be fully debitumenised, but yes, coal as we find it usually contains hydrocarbons as well as just carbon.
It would be hard to justify lighting it on fire to keep warm if it was pure, crystallised graphene, I suppose.
These are the rules in Qld, and I guess would apply to all states, makes common sense. Our Queensland Electricity Connection Manual (PDF 4.7 mb) provides rules on the connection of equipment such as wall-mounted EV chargers. A typical 7kW (~32 Amp) single-phase EV charger can't be connected to a continuous supply (uncontrolled) tariff. It can only be connected to an economy, or controlled, tariff.
Here in sheepshsgastan all of our farm hence are electric driven since ancient times. So we nevertheless don't sit on our fence, all our electricity is renewable, it goes in one end and travels through our sheep if they naughty. ☠️❣️☠️❣️☠️❣️☠️
2 phase makes perfect sense to say we just don't for some reason. I assume its just in reference to degrees of separation. Because I hear there are 2 phase distributions in certain states if I remember correctly so it would probably be an American thing. So single phase 90 degrees, 3 phase 60 degrees, and weird 2 phase systems just get the 2 of 3 phases at 60 degrees which is still 208v. Probably some AUS and CDN farms and industry on this system.
big no from me im staying a petrolhead !!!
Are LFP batteries affected by the issue with fires? I've heard all sorts of reports of how hardy BYD's Blade batteries are but I'm no engineer 🙂
No
Only charge to 85% to save the batteries life.
Correcting your terminology there. John AC to DC is rectifier. The term inverter is used when you converting DC to AC.
We charge once a week at home.
Average weekly commute is about 300ks.
Average charge cost $2-$4.
11 kW 3 phase charger.
One phase from 6kW rooftop solar
2 grid phases between 2 &12c/kWh during weekend days when grid has >60 renewable energy component.
Amber Electric is retailer who has dynamic pricing.
yes, but like all cult members (sorry, ev owners), you only ever quote the electricity price. never the full cost of ownership, you never acknowledge that the electricity is generated from fossil fuels, never address the fact that your battery in the EV is a depreciating liability and will cost big bucks to replace every 8 years. never address the impending costs that will be coming in due course, such as a rise in electricity prices for EV filling (someone has to pay for all the charging stations and infrastructure), and the road taxes that are inevitable if roads are to be maintained in the shadow off a diminishing petrol fleet. its a green wet dream. dream being the operative word. that said, i think EV's are a great solution to inner city motoring, and inner city pollution. they are not for long distance driving nor for trucks. the sooner reality is returned to by the world, and we call spades "spades", the better humanity will be.
@@waldopepper4069
He's alreadty made the effort to install solar power and a battery at his home.
Have you?
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq why would i do that ?
@@waldopepper4069
Just to understand that he has already thought ahead and is saving money over time.......?
He's giving it a fair go mate.....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq thats a fair point. i wish him well. i myself will not be, because at some point physics and commercial reality is going to catch up with EV owners, and they are going to look like deer caught in the headlights. ill give you 3 examples of "changing the world" promise, but failed in the end tech . laserdisc. betamax. segway.
Yikes… got to the 20min mark about fires. Walked into my garage and told my Dino juice-mobile I still love it and it gets to live here for a while longer.
Yeah, Dino juice cars have never caught fire, never!
@@lundsweden really? When was the last one that caught fire in your garage while you were sleeping ? Let me guess. Never. Massive fail comments come naturally to you it seems.
@@bazinga615 So what you are saying is a petrol or diesel car/truck/whatever has never caught fire in a garage, go straight to the top of the class!
@@lundsweden you failed enough already, dude. Stop being stupid and doubling down like a liberal politician interviewed on the ABC.
@@bazinga615 I have been to many house fires caused by ice cars catching fire, it only happens once or twice a year but it does happen. I am an emergency services worker.
Just heard on the news that Tesla recalling 360000 vehicles in USA due to software problem.
This is all okay if you have one EV. But what if you have a family of cars? Future problems for apartment carparks will be a problem as NSW Fire Brigades do not like the idea of installation of these charges.
you could call it the sum of power in the time domain ... welcome to energy :)
That $35,000 Corolla is looking better all the time since I can't get a novated lease on the pension. On the positive side, I don't have to queue up for hours and hours at Port Macquarie or Coffs Harbour just to "refuel". Also as far as I can tell, you can just swipe your credit card at any of the public charging stations in Australia and you don't need to sign up to the many private companies as they require in the UK.
I will soon tell my story so far on his video about the salary sacrificing fiasco. It's more appropriate there.
That’s a cheap Corolla. We bought a Yaris Cross a year ago for $38500. And it’s not top of the range.
Should have forked out a bit more for an MG ZS EV.
@@zwieseler There isn't much chance of getting a Corolla at that price, and probably not in 2023 if you order today. A BYD Atto3 is better than the MG (better value, as well), but there's a few months to wait for those.
@@aussieideasman8498 Just had a look. Bottom of the range Corolla is, in fact, $35k. They do say it might be more by delivery time.
When we bought the Yaris, the Atto 3 wasn’t available. A good pick now that it’s here.
@@zwieseler I have ordered the BYD last week. Well, ordered last month when I had to put a $1,000 down just to test drive it, but took a few weeks to think about it and sign the contract. They say by April, but you know salesmen.
@9:26 I do believe JC just mentioned Ca....ha...nnnnberra without feigning strangulation!
If you trickle charge you need to be careful of the duty cycle of the outlet socket and the wiring in the wall. They can burn out if you pull 10amps out of them for 8 hours or more.
Agreed. You could look at the actual charge rate reported by the car.
@@AutoExpertJC do you mean to see how much energy you are loosing to heating up the wiring or in the socket?
Heat is caused by bad connections, or incorrectly used cables. Like a fuse.
@@owainbennett663 and the duty cycle of the parts.
The other thing is you would have to make sure your switch board is the most upto date one available. I was quoted $3,000 to do that. Then there would be the cost of having the wall charger installed on top of the car.
Did it. Worth it
So what I get from that is that an electric shopping trolley is good providing you're happy to export the smoke to the countryside, but keep the 1978 6-cyl petrol for the big jobs (200+Km each way return trip in a day). That is logical but the hard bit to understand is why we have to pay many tens of thousands for the shopping trolley and how that saves the planet.
If I replace my 1.8 litre 2014 petrol hatchback I'll see if I can afford a small EV. Most of the recharging will be from solar power so no more export of CO2 than any other city car. If I decide on a long distance drive I'll either hire a long range car or do a temporary swap with another family member.
Chin up mate, you'll figure it out eventually
The politicians make these arbitrary policies, and we are made to pay for them. Even though there is no environmental or practical benefit to EVs in the first place.
@@justohird5685 I figured it out, it's called keeping our combustion vehicles and telling Musk to shove it.
Actually the rules don't specify an isolation switch at EVSE. The EVSE is just like any other appliance
3 phase charging heating space around car quite substantially.
Inverter is heating stuff, battery is heating stuff and even cables are heating... It's kinda like having 1-2kw heather in garage.
Also if you need more than one car in home don't get all electric ones.
A novated lease just means that you're paying for your EV over the term of your lease by using pre-tax (untaxed) salary rather than after-tax salary. Furthermore, your employer is exempt from paying fringe benefits tax on your behalf for this arrangement. It's the government's way to incentivise the take up of EVs in Australia. Obviously, if you're not a high income earner or in business, and don't qualify for "salary sacrificing" for a novated lease and you still want a EV, you'd be paying for it using your "after tax" salary.
Maybe all battery cars should come with a dedicated home charging "box" fully installed included in the purchase price of the vehicle.
How do you get addicted to EDC?
I run my 32 amp at 20 amp to match my solar output.