If I conclude correct this "game engine" is more suitable to make videos than to play. Chris probably being someone who wants to make a movie in a game engine, makes total sense now.
This is unfortunately true. The modern dev team is consistently pushing for a "cinematic experience," which can easily be poisonous to the much more immersive experience that Star Citizen is also pushing for at the same time.
I remember in 2012 when this project was announced and thought wow what a busy. In 2014 I pledged my first ship, RSI Constellation Andromeda and said wow I'm f$+5ing stupid. Fast forward to 2021 during Xenothrrat and I thought wow this is fun! Now in 2024 and I'm just thinking wow I should have got a carrack. Crazy to thing what can happen in the next 3 years!
I don't think it's that the community cannot discern or separate those two things. I think the community tries playing the game, realizes it's awful, then sees a content creator gloss over every bug, error, crash, inconsistency or just lack of gameplay and with their title and narrative, making it seem like it's the greatest game ever. This, in turn, keeps the revolving door of hype spinning. New players come into the game thinking it will be awesome like the vids from certain content creators and are enraged when it's a completely broken mess. Content creators have a large part to blame for the deceptive hype that promotes this game as if it is all gold stars and rainbows. They're basically an extension of the CIG marketing team which most people agree, are one of the biggest problems with this project.
I don't know I don't like to call the game awful for the simple fact that there is no real competition. How can something be awful when you have nothing to compare it to. I would definitely not call it good either. It's cool to look at but there is nothing keeping you there.
most content creators literally give you the premise that the game is not finished and how long its been unfinished for, nobody is out here telling people that this is a polished finished game, we all know the devs are lagging
Probably the greatest draw, and the greatest problem, with SC is that especially in the early days, there was so much left to interpretation that people just kind of filled in the gaps with whatever they hoped would eventually be there. Now that the reality, both in what's possible for CIG to create, but also in what makes a good, balanced gameplay across such a broad variety of loops, is coming home, it makes sense some people are getting frosted by that. Add to it content creators who rely on this project for their livelihood are watching their numbers (and salaries) crash due to a lack of progress, it's dialing up the temperature a bit, I think. Pretty much what you say: "enjoy what is, right now, and take everything coming down the pike with a big-ass grain of salt"
Thats where his name comes from 😉 Jokes aside, especially in the beginning the chairman himself answered questions and there was quite a lot already planned. But seems at some point they just looked at the cash puring in and changed direction to not ever delivering anything and just make monetas.
@@derjadebaum9159 that’s not the case - far away, releasing a game would be FAR more profitable. Did there ambition exceed their capabilities? Maybe. That’s an argument I could at least consider
@@DawnstealerGaming I think we are making the same point here. If you look at their website there is still the funding goals page. At some point they stopped adding goals, but they still promised more and more and expanded the scope more and more. Basically the old and already set plan was not true anymore or changed. They basically sold the crab out of this project which ended in them having a huge tech and ship backlog of over 8 years already today. To the other point, doubt the "far more profitable.." they made and make a ton of money by selling jpegs (concept ships). No other company on the planet can do something like that. Why would they stop doing that? Basically its free money without any liablity linked to it. And from Chris' point of view. He will be in pension soon. For real soon not soon ™. He will not have to deal with that backlog. But selling and earning makes fun. Actually delivering on promises is hard. Thats for average joes who have to work to make some kind of living.
Well, it's been 12 acually? And what do we have? A broken mess of server crashes and glitches and lag?? Disgraceful, damn near fraudulent marketing as well.
yep been over 10 yrs for me too. Mar 2014 when i first joined and bought a pledge. Prob be another 10 yrs before we get an official release 🤣then another 10 yrs after that i be retiring 🤣
Here: 1- You spent thousands on SC. 2- It instantly gets you biased towards white knightin it. 3- When you finally reach the steadiest point of the dunning kruger curve, you find yourself in debt with your own self, and have no other option if not cope until the project either make or break. Thx me later.
Not saying you're wrong, at all. Dumped way too much and probably will spend more in the future. But still excited for the future. Hopeful? Sure. Am I expecting the world? No. Just a playable game, Soon(Tm)
Beyond just the financial investment, he knows devs personally. He has something in the game inspired by him because of this (don’t remember what, but on one of his vids he talked about how cool it was and how proud of it he is), and he has waited 12 years for it. Deep financial and emotional investment. Every time he claims he isnt feeling emotional i chuckle remembering him crying watching a sales presentation
Always since Farrister started, and I found him on the Tube, I have enjoyed watching His Content! Somehow a combo of His mellow voice and the cinematic vids He creates, brings some kind of peace of mind and also takes most negativity away, without taking away the tons of issues that SC has! Farrister can be kind of salty, but in a hmm....kind of old-style British way! difficult to explain!
24:00 This goes back to a comment I've made before about the value of time in the game. (Pirates vs haulers) If a streamer/youtuber is having fun in this game, it may not be due to the quality of the game itself, but the fact that they're making content out of it. The average player may misconstrue this as the game is fun, then proceeds to become frustrated if they find it isn't. Again, the pirate invested 100% of their time into pirating and it's directly applied whether they're successful or not. The hauler applied 100% of their time into hauling, but stands to lose if they're successfully pirated. The streamer invests 100% of their time streaming the game. No matter what their experience within the game, they're still investing 100% of their time into the stream. The average player can misinterpret this, intend to apply 100% of their time into the game, only to potentially lose that time due to a myriad of factors. There's the disconnect.
Thanks Mike, really interesting to listen to your thoughts! Appreciate you as always, sorry I missed this one when it went live :( Yours truly, The Desalinator.
Wait till we find out they have moved a large amount of devs to adapt star citizen to Xbox. Before finishing star citizen at all. Wouldn’t that make an interesting twist? For some reason, I can’t absolutely roll it out.
Great video. I remember being a part of the concierge level. Then I woke up and realized I pissed away too much money, and sold most of my fleet. Thankfully, I was able to break even in the end and never looked back. I still play every few months just to see what the status of the game is, and every time I get really disappointed.... oh well, se la vie.
21:28 This is definitely why I made sure I was excited for the entire underlying idea of SC and not a specific feature or couple of promises made by CIG, before I started investing time and money into it. I enjoy playing what we have and (despite the bugginess and instability) look forward to the future. That being said I can also at the same time be exasperated with CIG for all the problems they are creating.
This game would have been awesome about ten years ago when I was ten years younger and had way more game playing time than I do currently. I doubt I'm in the minority either. Judging from what we have today it's going to be a slow burn in order to get the medium things done so if you don't have a few hours to dedicate the game play loops are going to be limited to what you can start and complete in an hour sometimes less, sometimes at the risk of a late night even two hours at a push. Will the game or end game because it's not necessarily a PvP looter persistent experience be worth the time investment of 6+ hours on the weekend or the holidays (not rare as I'm in the UK)? Time will tell. Will I be too old to play such games the way I do know? I doubt it.
6:40 Response to chat: Aerodynamic flight model isn't bad, it just isn't what Star Citizen was supposed to be and wasn't what it was for a very _very_ long time. It also isn't unique and a hundred-plus games already do that, and dozens of games do that in a space setting. Having a true 6DF game in space that _feels_ like the fast-paced aerobatic dogfights of aerodynamic flight games is what _really_ set SC aside and above from everything else.
I used to play freelancer. I remember when Chris announced SC in 2011. I was vaguely familiar with coding, and knew the game wouldn't be anything decent, until at least 10 years. I decided to finally sign on, in 2017. I think the Harald had just been released. We were starting on the space station above crusader. I've been waiting for the whole time. I'm well beyond disappointed.
To be clear to chat, no, the Bengal was never sold: Much like the Iowa-class battleships of modern day, the Bengals are "gold-plater" super-carriers and only 3 exist in the setting.
13:50 To be entirely fair - no _element_ of Star Citizen is especially revolutionary or especially new. Hundred-plus-player dynamically-instanced servers are extremely possible and, if I'm not mistaken, Guild Wars 2 does/did exactly this. Eve Online easily has hundreds of players in the same instance without significant issue. The big difference is the combination of elements - huge player counts, high physics demand, the particulars of CryEngine/Lumberyard, high computational loading, high amounts of detailed NPCs - _that_ is what has never been done before because it is indeed a _massive_ headache.
6:00 This is actually incorrect. The communicated goal was to create the _feel_ of that intense aerobatic dogfighting in a six-degrees-of-freedom environment. It was never, until recently, to replicate "WW2 Dogfighting in space"
We're all a bunch of stockholm syndrome sufferers who just want a stable experience, while they throw ship jpegs at us and pushed back tech because it's complicated as hell. We're doomed
I remember back in 2020 many of these content creators were touting SQ42 by 2024 and the PU going LIVE in 2025. I was like... no F'n way, just too much left to deliver, but so many backers started drinking the Kool-Aid! I said back then, CIG needed at minimum another 10 years and probably another 300-500 million dollars to get the PU to 1.0. As we sit in 2024, very little towards that 1.0 release has been delivered. We still have sooooo much left to implement. As we head into 2025, my predictions have turned more dire. I think the project will flounder by 2028. SQ42 will be released by then but the PU will stall out by 2028. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I'm hardly ever wrong when it comes to Star Citizen.
2013 backer. hanger mod had the 1st AC mode in a Sim pit in the hanger. SHips where fun to fly. AND yes the Bangle was never sold. But mike the Bangle is the ship that you will find in space and need a Huge org to get it fixed up and defend it cause it will never be logged out. This was the pitch we where given in the kick starter. I dont remember the jav having that pre text to it. The good old days Of pad ramming. The first time seeing Planets from the station. the flight model was deep. and took time in the seat to actually understand. To be fair i have lost hope. Stopped play shortly after 3.23 came to live. The game i thought i backed is not the game im getting at all. To bad i didnt listen to my gut back after a year of waiting on I CASH to be finished. 5 years later we get PES, after 12 years lets trash the flight model. and give them master modes. CIg HOLDS players hands so much now they added precision landing mode. Players dont even need to practice take offs and landings. I just cant anymore.... I played eve since 2003 to 2013 and dont want to do that to my self again LUL. Became a part time job in it self LUL
Come in guys, stop the dooming. Star Citizen will leave alpha in about 3 years and then there will be a short beta phase for another 4 years until it is released in early access in around 2031.
That thumbnail was hilarious af. But hey I feel you I feel the same way. I cant even remember how many years it been ive been waiting. I bought a whole new pc to play and that pc is now outdated and cant play again. FUCK!
It’s fun to make star citizen look good by editing it right and editing out all the issues and crashes because the final product resembles what we all imagine Star citizen to be.
@@Farrister Hi Farrister, if I'm the only one who has said this so far, no. Sometimes it's really a bit annoying, I know it's difficult because of copyright.
Case in point, I watch a Farrister video and try to figure out how he got that camera angle, how did he compose that shot, etc. I watch other creators and watch their transitions, their style, delivery and see if there's anything I can incorporate. That's the creator game inside the game. Edit: Thanks for the shoutout!
I followed Star Citizen's development for 8 years before actually buying the game and starting to play. I'm still optimistic about this game, but I don't play that much. I decided to make my own videos, which has improved my gameplay experience because I'm trying out things I wasn't really interested in before and realizing just how detailed this game already is.
My first package included AC and SQ42. My first download took 18 hours and all I could initially do was visit my hanger and view my 325 lol. I do feel his pain. Fingers crossed Grim never goes away.
I think Farrister was calling out those who accused him in the past of being CIG mouthpiece. I don't believe he implies who got involved with CIG are not honest (not all of them).
11 here and great video. I had hanger when I started and then had Area18 and also a small EVA instance. Then we had the first PU a while later. Least as I remember. I do think we had Area18 for a while with PU. I paid one price for everything at the time, SQ42 included.
Farrister is the creator that put me over the top in 2021 and caused me to buy my first ship and his ship tours of the freelancer and constellation and others caused me to buy more ships. I played the heck out of star citizen for 18 months and have spent way too much. Kind of wish I didn’t now but maybe one day I’ll enjoy it again. Have only been disappointed after those first 18 months at the lack of progress and snails pace of development. I can’t imagine how those from 10 years ago feel
In 2018 I remember legitimately thinking the game would be out by 2022... crazy shit man... they really need to kick it into high gear and actually deliver otherwise this project is going to fail. It's amazing that its still going tbh with how little progress has been made. It's possible the loss of interest in the community will light a fire under their asses, but if for whatever reason they actually have too much overhead costs and people stop buying ships... I think its over...
I'm glad to see you finally gave EVE a chance. EVE Online has amazing systems and tools for the users that I wish we could get in SC, you can see why so many people wanted EVE 2.0.
People understand that creators are having fun with the tools for content. It's not some profound explanation. We absolutely understand those things, it's wild listening to your takes as usual. Everyone doesn't understand except you somehow, the guy who's been following SC for 10 years understands. Glad you cleared it up for us! None of us get it!
Content creators can't tell the truth about the game when they're being given free ships by the company in exchange for toxic positivity about the game's development cycle. Let's be real, you guys aren't being paid by CIG and no one is saying you're being paid to be positive, but there's a reason why the community managers hang around your community, and their job is to make sure that content creators are saying positive things about the game. There's little to be positive about when the same bugs have been on the issue council for the past 6 years with absolutely zero progress and zero care given to address them. If anything, Jared comes on SCL and mocks us, makes jokes about us and publicly humiliates people for talking about the bugs in the game. With that lack of respect for the paying customers who are supporting the project, it's amazing that we decide to stick around until the end. If CIG were a contractor building us a swimming pool in the backyard, and we were left with a half made pool and out thousands of dollars, we would have already gone the route of litigation, because that's how real life works. Programmers at CIG should be thankful that they have job security. No matter how bad the situation is, they get to keep receiving a paycheck. In another industry, if you kept making mistakes and never improved, you would not have job security. If you're a bus driver and you keep hitting stuff with your bus, eventually you're not going to be allowed to keep driving a bus. If you prepare food and all you do is burn it, you're not going to be preparing food very long. If you're in construction and every time you cut a piece of lumber, or haven forbid some other expensive material and your cuts always come up short, you will be out of a job very quickly. Programming seems to be the one place where people who can't make the cut get unlimited job security, and have an army of trolls ready to attack anyone who challenges them.
@@saltemikereacts Hey Mike, I don't mean to specifically target you. I think you have some valid judgments on the game's development cycle. I'm just adding in my thoughts in general on how content creators are encouraged by the company to maintain toxic positivity. I'm not sure what you may have received in terms of free ships or giveaways, but many content creators fall for the bribe.
@@saltemikereactsYou’re the official opposition, in the sense that CIG has mentioned you live on stream. The hard core rebel alliance are guys like Camural and Golgot100.
I have a lot of fun in SC, just not the current patch. Holding out for 3.24 to go live, for now it's ESO for me. Happy to hear that you're playing EVE though, such an entertaining game with all of the options you have for content.
Honestly, my investment in Star Citizen is to see just what is possible in gaming. The amount of immersion and different styles of gameplay is what gets me. Even if it takes another 10 years, if the final shipped product can cover 80% of what they promised it'll pave a new standard. I'm kind of tired of the same generic types of games coming out that don't build upon what they already have.
No depth or connection between assassination, bounty hunting, mercenary, pirate, xeno hunting, infiltration, exobiology, exploring, mining, salvaging, smuggling, trading, courier, passenger carrier, search and rescue....there's already a game out there that does these and no progress resets! Keep coping with the server meshing! Mike and Morphologis are right.
the problem when presented with a vision, is that it loses focus. different people will interpret that vision differently and the actual tangible end becomes hazy like a mirage on the horizon. i can tell you without a doubt that the best case scenario is not just a game... being able to play something "like a game" is not even remotely the same thing as playing a game with game rules and game scenarios. a few years ago SC was super rough without even basic mechanics that would give it the appearance or feel of being anything other than a "tech demo". now, it can be played "like a game" with ship progression, basic AF medical, no ships losing 200k in components when it resets to stock when claimed when game has a 30k after 10 seconds of flight, etc... i use the Bethesda reference too much, but Oblivion and Skyrim are good examples of sandbox games that should be used as archetypes. when you play Skyrim with mods like basic needs, camping, backpacks, no fast travel, etc.. it's an experience. granted it's a different type of setting than SC, but when you went around doing everything else besides the main quest it was really something, and that underlying something was/is special... it might be difficult for some to detach the mechanics from the medieval fantasy setting, when applied to the context of a MP space game like SC, that could be something special...
What waiting?!?! The only "waiting" is for the "full release" label. Other than that, it's fully playable and is pretty damned awesome in it's own right. I've been playing Star Citizen for over 2000 hours!! I began my journey in 2013 and I remember when the ONLY interaction of the game was a hangar with your ship in it. That's it!! How far it's come since those days. CIG is literally inventing the tech to actually run the game. That does seem to take a bit of time and resources. The way I view the game is it's an ever evolving world that will continue to improve and move forward. Why in the hell does everyone bash the hell out of the most technically advanced gaming idea to date. They ARE producing it!! The ARE consistently working and adding to it!! Just play it and enjoy the journey. One can bitch about how "buggy" it is, or how it's "not finished yet" all they want, OR they can come and enjoy what is there. I have yet to find a single game, finished or not, that doesn't have some level of either "buggyness", or "this could be done better", or some other shortcoming. So what if the next patch is delayed. I, personally, WANT them to delay it if it's not working well enough for release. Let them take all the time they need to get this shit right. I can't even explain how far the game has come in the last year!! Stop worrying about the label of where the game is in it's development and just play!!
@5:18 Mike, I'm planning to one day using a Tobii eye tracker to use my eyes to aim. Just look at the PIP Mark and shoot. Using Gimbals and the eye tracker should make a huge difference.
For me, all I am waiting is 4.0, because most issues I hit in the game is like desync issues or such. I barely ran into actual bugs, like the only time was engines not getting repaired was one of the few I stumbled upon.
2.6 flight model is still the best dog fights i had to this day. Chris roberts killed the fun because he want people to see the other ship when fighting. Like if you have time for that when dog fighting anyways...
I aimed with my face inAC back then, was one of the first 250 to be let in as well. Used a dk1 and streamed in vr with a logitech joystick and keyboard, playing just music and replying too chat via text (got a hole 25 people at once for a bit xD). Good times, still have some vids up from then on my channel.
i mean, you can enjoy a incomplete product and expect/ask more if something is being done wrong, its not mutually. Growing complecent because the game doesnt progress as we expect doesnt remove the right to make our voice be heard when cig screws big time (which is a lot of times). The talk of "enjoy what you have" is very heavy in the sense that leaves no more room for more doubts or thoughts about it, not everything is that black and white.
having dogfights at 300-1000m is much more enjoyable than jousting matches where an enemy will be 3-4km away and then rocket past you at top speed hitting the nose of your ship a few times before turning around and doing it again. or back when if the ship you were fighting was less capable of tanking the damage vs putting out damage the enemy player would just intentionally kamikaze your ship. definitely not a fun or good flight model in my opinion peak of my hype was seamless landing on planets
10 more years
Quite optimistic
@@mastrtonberry2 He meant until Pyro release.
@@mariopenulli1395 lol
If I conclude correct this "game engine" is more suitable to make videos than to play.
Chris probably being someone who wants to make a movie in a game engine, makes total sense now.
This is unfortunately true. The modern dev team is consistently pushing for a "cinematic experience," which can easily be poisonous to the much more immersive experience that Star Citizen is also pushing for at the same time.
June 12, 2013. Just after the Startup hype-train. I'm old. Please, just release it before I die.
Indeed. Am genuinely wondering about whether and how pledged-for SC ships can be willed...
I was 40 when SC started, 50 now. By the time I'm 55, hopefully either i will get a AARP discount or can i get a refund since i will be to old?
Never to old to game and enjoy what you enjoy.
I remember in 2012 when this project was announced and thought wow what a busy. In 2014 I pledged my first ship, RSI Constellation Andromeda and said wow I'm f$+5ing stupid. Fast forward to 2021 during Xenothrrat and I thought wow this is fun! Now in 2024 and I'm just thinking wow I should have got a carrack. Crazy to thing what can happen in the next 3 years!
I don't think it's that the community cannot discern or separate those two things. I think the community tries playing the game, realizes it's awful, then sees a content creator gloss over every bug, error, crash, inconsistency or just lack of gameplay and with their title and narrative, making it seem like it's the greatest game ever. This, in turn, keeps the revolving door of hype spinning. New players come into the game thinking it will be awesome like the vids from certain content creators and are enraged when it's a completely broken mess.
Content creators have a large part to blame for the deceptive hype that promotes this game as if it is all gold stars and rainbows. They're basically an extension of the CIG marketing team which most people agree, are one of the biggest problems with this project.
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thats what happens when people sell their soul for the dollares ;)
I don't know I don't like to call the game awful for the simple fact that there is no real competition. How can something be awful when you have nothing to compare it to.
I would definitely not call it good either. It's cool to look at but there is nothing keeping you there.
the game is not awful lmao how did you come to that conclusion?
most content creators literally give you the premise that the game is not finished and how long its been unfinished for, nobody is out here telling people that this is a polished finished game, we all know the devs are lagging
Probably the greatest draw, and the greatest problem, with SC is that especially in the early days, there was so much left to interpretation that people just kind of filled in the gaps with whatever they hoped would eventually be there. Now that the reality, both in what's possible for CIG to create, but also in what makes a good, balanced gameplay across such a broad variety of loops, is coming home, it makes sense some people are getting frosted by that.
Add to it content creators who rely on this project for their livelihood are watching their numbers (and salaries) crash due to a lack of progress, it's dialing up the temperature a bit, I think. Pretty much what you say: "enjoy what is, right now, and take everything coming down the pike with a big-ass grain of salt"
Thats where his name comes from 😉
Jokes aside, especially in the beginning the chairman himself answered questions and there was quite a lot already planned. But seems at some point they just looked at the cash puring in and changed direction to not ever delivering anything and just make monetas.
@@derjadebaum9159 that’s not the case - far away, releasing a game would be FAR more profitable. Did there ambition exceed their capabilities? Maybe. That’s an argument I could at least consider
@@DawnstealerGaming I think we are making the same point here. If you look at their website there is still the funding goals page. At some point they stopped adding goals, but they still promised more and more and expanded the scope more and more. Basically the old and already set plan was not true anymore or changed. They basically sold the crab out of this project which ended in them having a huge tech and ship backlog of over 8 years already today.
To the other point, doubt the "far more profitable.." they made and make a ton of money by selling jpegs (concept ships). No other company on the planet can do something like that. Why would they stop doing that? Basically its free money without any liablity linked to it. And from Chris' point of view. He will be in pension soon. For real soon not soon ™. He will not have to deal with that backlog. But selling and earning makes fun. Actually delivering on promises is hard. Thats for average joes who have to work to make some kind of living.
I can imagine 10 years from now, someone in the future will be turning the clock back 10 years.
Love a good trainwreck
so long as I'm not on the train.
Bruh.. they got 85e from me.. 😢
Well, it's been 12 acually? And what do we have? A broken mess of server crashes and glitches and lag?? Disgraceful, damn near fraudulent marketing as well.
yep been over 10 yrs for me too. Mar 2014 when i first joined and bought a pledge. Prob be another 10 yrs before we get an official release 🤣then another 10 yrs after that i be retiring 🤣
I pledged in Jan 2013, I had a full head of hair and no gray. I now have receding hair and gray in my beard.
Here:
1- You spent thousands on SC.
2- It instantly gets you biased towards white knightin it.
3- When you finally reach the steadiest point of the dunning kruger curve, you find yourself in debt with your own self, and have no other option if not cope until the project either make or break.
Thx me later.
Not saying you're wrong, at all. Dumped way too much and probably will spend more in the future. But still excited for the future. Hopeful? Sure. Am I expecting the world? No. Just a playable game, Soon(Tm)
Not sure you know what dunning kruger effect is.
Beyond just the financial investment, he knows devs personally. He has something in the game inspired by him because of this (don’t remember what, but on one of his vids he talked about how cool it was and how proud of it he is), and he has waited 12 years for it. Deep financial and emotional investment. Every time he claims he isnt feeling emotional i chuckle remembering him crying watching a sales presentation
@@csdigitaldesign Came to comment the same thing, he just kinda threw that term in there, it's completely out of place
@@Aeoxmusickind of ironic in a way
Hold the bag guys... err I mean the Line. Hold the Line! 💪
Farrister is my go to for cozy star citizen content, super relaxing.
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I joined late in 2014 and there was just a hangar.
I’m so glad I cancelled my subscription a year ago.. when I started to see through the mis management
I canceled mine last night, whats funny i was watching yesterdays vid and just read one of your comments as i was.😂
Is it possible to refund the game?
This cover is accurate.. every one who pledged will have gray hair by release 😊
What a coincidence, seems the development is progressing as slow as my hair is turning gray.
Always since Farrister started, and I found him on the Tube, I have enjoyed watching His Content! Somehow a combo of His mellow voice and the cinematic vids He creates, brings some kind of peace of mind and also takes most negativity away, without taking away the tons of issues that SC has! Farrister can be kind of salty, but in a hmm....kind of old-style British way! difficult to explain!
Ol' English Salt
I enjoy Farrister and his chill videos.
Thank you :)
SC is a vision, nothing more sadly!
Space. The final AA. These are the voyages of alcoholics with a ship flying problem.
24:00 This goes back to a comment I've made before about the value of time in the game. (Pirates vs haulers) If a streamer/youtuber is having fun in this game, it may not be due to the quality of the game itself, but the fact that they're making content out of it. The average player may misconstrue this as the game is fun, then proceeds to become frustrated if they find it isn't. Again, the pirate invested 100% of their time into pirating and it's directly applied whether they're successful or not. The hauler applied 100% of their time into hauling, but stands to lose if they're successfully pirated. The streamer invests 100% of their time streaming the game. No matter what their experience within the game, they're still investing 100% of their time into the stream. The average player can misinterpret this, intend to apply 100% of their time into the game, only to potentially lose that time due to a myriad of factors. There's the disconnect.
Thanks Mike, really interesting to listen to your thoughts! Appreciate you as always, sorry I missed this one when it went live :(
Yours truly, The Desalinator.
You are the man. Sorry I missed this comment, we got a puppy and it’s insane over here.
Wait till we find out they have moved a large amount of devs to adapt star citizen to Xbox. Before finishing star citizen at all. Wouldn’t that make an interesting twist? For some reason, I can’t absolutely roll it out.
I doubt they would do that as this game isn’t very popular. Unfortunately this game has a lot of bad tags that come with it.
Now you're just making stuff up to be mad at
@@cj_thegamergoon1201 thats basically why "because its unpopular" once sales drop on PC they will and have a new audience to bite on to (console)
@@123TheCloop Could they do this in alpha stage off the game ? Or is this going to be after the release of SQ42 ?
If SC ever get a release full game, it should be called *The Old-timer Citizen* . 😂
Great video. I remember being a part of the concierge level. Then I woke up and realized I pissed away too much money, and sold most of my fleet. Thankfully, I was able to break even in the end and never looked back. I still play every few months just to see what the status of the game is, and every time I get really disappointed.... oh well, se la vie.
C‘est la vie :3 (more or less)
I really wish I could, but I think I waited too long.
You did it! You beat the game! 🎉😂
la vie
10 years of waiting a minimum of three years being a fool
At this point, elon will get us working on a real ship before sc finishes
You know, Elon and Chris have a lot in common as CEOs. Just look at the saga of the Cybertruck, and compare that to the tale of Star Citizen.
@@clovernacknime6984 What are you talking about? The Cybertruck is a ready product that is in production, and owners seem to like.
21:28 This is definitely why I made sure I was excited for the entire underlying idea of SC and not a specific feature or couple of promises made by CIG, before I started investing time and money into it. I enjoy playing what we have and (despite the bugginess and instability) look forward to the future. That being said I can also at the same time be exasperated with CIG for all the problems they are creating.
This game would have been awesome about ten years ago when I was ten years younger and had way more game playing time than I do currently. I doubt I'm in the minority either. Judging from what we have today it's going to be a slow burn in order to get the medium things done so if you don't have a few hours to dedicate the game play loops are going to be limited to what you can start and complete in an hour sometimes less, sometimes at the risk of a late night even two hours at a push.
Will the game or end game because it's not necessarily a PvP looter persistent experience be worth the time investment of 6+ hours on the weekend or the holidays (not rare as I'm in the UK)?
Time will tell. Will I be too old to play such games the way I do know? I doubt it.
6:40 Response to chat: Aerodynamic flight model isn't bad, it just isn't what Star Citizen was supposed to be and wasn't what it was for a very _very_ long time. It also isn't unique and a hundred-plus games already do that, and dozens of games do that in a space setting. Having a true 6DF game in space that _feels_ like the fast-paced aerobatic dogfights of aerodynamic flight games is what _really_ set SC aside and above from everything else.
I have fun with the devz lying to me and just accepting the shit the give me.
I used to play freelancer. I remember when Chris announced SC in 2011. I was vaguely familiar with coding, and knew the game wouldn't be anything decent, until at least 10 years. I decided to finally sign on, in 2017. I think the Harald had just been released. We were starting on the space station above crusader. I've been waiting for the whole time. I'm well beyond disappointed.
After seeing the Galactapedia today, it looks like “The Road To Pyro” is being replaced with “Sol: The Journey Home” 😜
To be clear to chat, no, the Bengal was never sold: Much like the Iowa-class battleships of modern day, the Bengals are "gold-plater" super-carriers and only 3 exist in the setting.
Farrister is a great guy!
o7
I mean that's a solid take. I am tired of eating shit.
13:50 To be entirely fair - no _element_ of Star Citizen is especially revolutionary or especially new. Hundred-plus-player dynamically-instanced servers are extremely possible and, if I'm not mistaken, Guild Wars 2 does/did exactly this. Eve Online easily has hundreds of players in the same instance without significant issue. The big difference is the combination of elements - huge player counts, high physics demand, the particulars of CryEngine/Lumberyard, high computational loading, high amounts of detailed NPCs - _that_ is what has never been done before because it is indeed a _massive_ headache.
14:20 hard agree. Gorgeous skin
More than 10 years....
6:00 This is actually incorrect. The communicated goal was to create the _feel_ of that intense aerobatic dogfighting in a six-degrees-of-freedom environment. It was never, until recently, to replicate "WW2 Dogfighting in space"
We're all a bunch of stockholm syndrome sufferers who just want a stable experience, while they throw ship jpegs at us and pushed back tech because it's complicated as hell. We're doomed
R.I.P PO
I remember back in 2020 many of these content creators were touting SQ42 by 2024 and the PU going LIVE in 2025. I was like... no F'n way, just too much left to deliver, but so many backers started drinking the Kool-Aid! I said back then, CIG needed at minimum another 10 years and probably another 300-500 million dollars to get the PU to 1.0. As we sit in 2024, very little towards that 1.0 release has been delivered. We still have sooooo much left to implement. As we head into 2025, my predictions have turned more dire. I think the project will flounder by 2028. SQ42 will be released by then but the PU will stall out by 2028. I truly hope I'm wrong, but I'm hardly ever wrong when it comes to Star Citizen.
2013 backer. hanger mod had the 1st AC mode in a Sim pit in the hanger. SHips where fun to fly. AND yes the Bangle was never sold. But mike the Bangle is the ship that you will find in space and need a Huge org to get it fixed up and defend it cause it will never be logged out. This was the pitch we where given in the kick starter. I dont remember the jav having that pre text to it. The good old days Of pad ramming. The first time seeing Planets from the station. the flight model was deep. and took time in the seat to actually understand. To be fair i have lost hope. Stopped play shortly after 3.23 came to live. The game i thought i backed is not the game im getting at all. To bad i didnt listen to my gut back after a year of waiting on I CASH to be finished. 5 years later we get PES, after 12 years lets trash the flight model. and give them master modes. CIg HOLDS players hands so much now they added precision landing mode. Players dont even need to practice take offs and landings. I just cant anymore.... I played eve since 2003 to 2013 and dont want to do that to my self again LUL. Became a part time job in it self LUL
"it desalinates me..." best quote ever from someone who has SaltE as a part of there channel.
Javelin was what a Capital Ship is in SWTOR for your Guild. It is a massive GRIND to open up rooms in that Star Destroyer.
Come in guys, stop the dooming. Star Citizen will leave alpha in about 3 years and then there will be a short beta phase for another 4 years until it is released in early access in around 2031.
10 years ago we all believed that
7 years away from release 😂😂
Unless they run out of money and shut the servers down.
15 years in beta?? 😂
@@ryanorionwotanson4568 Alpha you mean beta is years away 😉
“Everything has a beginning and an end, Neo”.
That thumbnail was hilarious af. But hey I feel you I feel the same way. I cant even remember how many years it been ive been waiting. I bought a whole new pc to play and that pc is now outdated and cant play again. FUCK!
It's not how long you wait. It's when it finally arrives.
It’s fun to make star citizen look good by editing it right and editing out all the issues and crashes because the final product resembles what we all imagine Star citizen to be.
There was Arena Commander in 2014, but it started only during Summer, there was still only Hangar Modules until then.
bengal was always supposed to be like a mobile base that you could take over and hold but never officially own.
Enjoyed this one, Mike. Good stuff.
Player count = all time low.
A win for the players!
I would love an icebreaker skin for the constellation but i wish that we could apply the same paint to different ships that take the same paint.
Its how its supposed to be, i have 6 or so skins that are "fit all" from back in 12/13
I really like Farrister's videos, but one day his background music will make my head explode, I'm sure of it. 😀
Should I change it?
@@Farrister Hi Farrister, if I'm the only one who has said this so far, no. Sometimes it's really a bit annoying, I know it's difficult because of copyright.
I think the lastest graffiti one looks best for the Vulture in my opinion.
Agree, most drake ships should have it and even some other industrial ships. Like you see trains tagged irl.
Case in point, I watch a Farrister video and try to figure out how he got that camera angle, how did he compose that shot, etc. I watch other creators and watch their transitions, their style, delivery and see if there's anything I can incorporate. That's the creator game inside the game.
Edit: Thanks for the shoutout!
I followed Star Citizen's development for 8 years before actually buying the game and starting to play.
I'm still optimistic about this game, but I don't play that much.
I decided to make my own videos, which has improved my gameplay experience because I'm trying out things I wasn't really interested in before and realizing just how detailed this game already is.
My first package included AC and SQ42. My first download took 18 hours and all I could initially do was visit my hanger and view my 325 lol. I do feel his pain. Fingers crossed Grim never goes away.
I have never seen a game in all my life that has generated SO MUCH DISAPPOINTMENT. Well done, CGI!
I think Farrister was calling out those who accused him in the past of being CIG mouthpiece.
I don't believe he implies who got involved with CIG are not honest (not all of them).
^ this
@@Farrister It's absolutely insane how Mike immediately felt called out. Like dude this video is not about you 🤣
11 here and great video. I had hanger when I started and then had Area18 and also a small EVA instance. Then we had the first PU a while later. Least as I remember. I do think we had Area18 for a while with PU. I paid one price for everything at the time, SQ42 included.
Dang farrister’s honesty is very instructive
He’s one of the best.
Farrister is the creator that put me over the top in 2021 and caused me to buy my first ship and his ship tours of the freelancer and constellation and others caused me to buy more ships. I played the heck out of star citizen for 18 months and have spent way too much. Kind of wish I didn’t now but maybe one day I’ll enjoy it again. Have only been disappointed after those first 18 months at the lack of progress and snails pace of development. I can’t imagine how those from 10 years ago feel
Both Star Citizen and stable fusion power will always be 10 years away.
In 2018 I remember legitimately thinking the game would be out by 2022... crazy shit man... they really need to kick it into high gear and actually deliver otherwise this project is going to fail. It's amazing that its still going tbh with how little progress has been made. It's possible the loss of interest in the community will light a fire under their asses, but if for whatever reason they actually have too much overhead costs and people stop buying ships... I think its over...
I'm glad to see you finally gave EVE a chance. EVE Online has amazing systems and tools for the users that I wish we could get in SC, you can see why so many people wanted EVE 2.0.
People understand that creators are having fun with the tools for content. It's not some profound explanation.
We absolutely understand those things, it's wild listening to your takes as usual. Everyone doesn't understand except you somehow, the guy who's been following SC for 10 years understands.
Glad you cleared it up for us! None of us get it!
I still remember we were joking around in 2018 like: Im sure it will be done 2024 right? Right?
I bought a game pack in 17 and didn't even own a PC 😂
Content creators can't tell the truth about the game when they're being given free ships by the company in exchange for toxic positivity about the game's development cycle. Let's be real, you guys aren't being paid by CIG and no one is saying you're being paid to be positive, but there's a reason why the community managers hang around your community, and their job is to make sure that content creators are saying positive things about the game. There's little to be positive about when the same bugs have been on the issue council for the past 6 years with absolutely zero progress and zero care given to address them. If anything, Jared comes on SCL and mocks us, makes jokes about us and publicly humiliates people for talking about the bugs in the game. With that lack of respect for the paying customers who are supporting the project, it's amazing that we decide to stick around until the end.
If CIG were a contractor building us a swimming pool in the backyard, and we were left with a half made pool and out thousands of dollars, we would have already gone the route of litigation, because that's how real life works. Programmers at CIG should be thankful that they have job security. No matter how bad the situation is, they get to keep receiving a paycheck. In another industry, if you kept making mistakes and never improved, you would not have job security. If you're a bus driver and you keep hitting stuff with your bus, eventually you're not going to be allowed to keep driving a bus. If you prepare food and all you do is burn it, you're not going to be preparing food very long. If you're in construction and every time you cut a piece of lumber, or haven forbid some other expensive material and your cuts always come up short, you will be out of a job very quickly. Programming seems to be the one place where people who can't make the cut get unlimited job security, and have an army of trolls ready to attack anyone who challenges them.
Have you ever seen one of my streams? No community managers are making sure I’m positive
@@saltemikereacts Hey Mike, I don't mean to specifically target you. I think you have some valid judgments on the game's development cycle. I'm just adding in my thoughts in general on how content creators are encouraged by the company to maintain toxic positivity. I'm not sure what you may have received in terms of free ships or giveaways, but many content creators fall for the bribe.
@@saltemikereactsYou’re the official opposition, in the sense that CIG has mentioned you live on stream. The hard core rebel alliance are guys like Camural and Golgot100.
Man I miss P.O. and watching people land all day while space walking outside.
I have a lot of fun in SC, just not the current patch. Holding out for 3.24 to go live, for now it's ESO for me. Happy to hear that you're playing EVE though, such an entertaining game with all of the options you have for content.
Honestly, my investment in Star Citizen is to see just what is possible in gaming. The amount of immersion and different styles of gameplay is what gets me. Even if it takes another 10 years, if the final shipped product can cover 80% of what they promised it'll pave a new standard. I'm kind of tired of the same generic types of games coming out that don't build upon what they already have.
No depth or connection between assassination, bounty hunting, mercenary, pirate, xeno hunting, infiltration, exobiology, exploring, mining, salvaging, smuggling, trading, courier, passenger carrier, search and rescue....there's already a game out there that does these and no progress resets! Keep coping with the server meshing! Mike and Morphologis are right.
The Morrow tour that was "sooooo close to being ready" then not talked about for years and then came out as a buggy piece of -beep-, that tour?
the problem when presented with a vision, is that it loses focus. different people will interpret that vision differently and the actual tangible end becomes hazy like a mirage on the horizon.
i can tell you without a doubt that the best case scenario is not just a game... being able to play something "like a game" is not even remotely the same thing as playing a game with game rules and game scenarios. a few years ago SC was super rough without even basic mechanics that would give it the appearance or feel of being anything other than a "tech demo". now, it can be played "like a game" with ship progression, basic AF medical, no ships losing 200k in components when it resets to stock when claimed when game has a 30k after 10 seconds of flight, etc...
i use the Bethesda reference too much, but Oblivion and Skyrim are good examples of sandbox games that should be used as archetypes. when you play Skyrim with mods like basic needs, camping, backpacks, no fast travel, etc.. it's an experience. granted it's a different type of setting than SC, but when you went around doing everything else besides the main quest it was really something, and that underlying something was/is special... it might be difficult for some to detach the mechanics from the medieval fantasy setting, when applied to the context of a MP space game like SC, that could be something special...
I can't imagine doing SC exclusively on youtube what a nightmare
3:15 Green lightning (monoboat omniskis)
What waiting?!?! The only "waiting" is for the "full release" label. Other than that, it's fully playable and is pretty damned awesome in it's own right. I've been playing Star Citizen for over 2000 hours!! I began my journey in 2013 and I remember when the ONLY interaction of the game was a hangar with your ship in it. That's it!! How far it's come since those days. CIG is literally inventing the tech to actually run the game. That does seem to take a bit of time and resources. The way I view the game is it's an ever evolving world that will continue to improve and move forward. Why in the hell does everyone bash the hell out of the most technically advanced gaming idea to date. They ARE producing it!! The ARE consistently working and adding to it!! Just play it and enjoy the journey. One can bitch about how "buggy" it is, or how it's "not finished yet" all they want, OR they can come and enjoy what is there. I have yet to find a single game, finished or not, that doesn't have some level of either "buggyness", or "this could be done better", or some other shortcoming. So what if the next patch is delayed. I, personally, WANT them to delay it if it's not working well enough for release. Let them take all the time they need to get this shit right. I can't even explain how far the game has come in the last year!! Stop worrying about the label of where the game is in it's development and just play!!
"Anytime something bad's happening I can call my SC friends... but the games still shit". That totally cracked me up.
"It desalinates me" lol
2020 BIS Cutty Skin is THE best skin, I die on this hill before I budge off of it.
@5:18 Mike, I'm planning to one day using a Tobii eye tracker to use my eyes to aim. Just look at the PIP Mark and shoot. Using Gimbals and the eye tracker should make a huge difference.
I'm just curious why Dave Letterman is in this video's YT caption graphic. :D
For me, all I am waiting is 4.0, because most issues I hit in the game is like desync issues or such. I barely ran into actual bugs, like the only time was engines not getting repaired was one of the few I stumbled upon.
wow, I just checked my hanger, I first backed on 03 Aug 2014. I don't recall ever paying extra for Arena Commander?
2.6 flight model is still the best dog fights i had to this day. Chris roberts killed the fun because he want people to see the other ship when fighting. Like if you have time for that when dog fighting anyways...
As a community we trauma bond
I can relate to this guy 💯
I aimed with my face inAC back then, was one of the first 250 to be let in as well. Used a dk1 and streamed in vr with a logitech joystick and keyboard, playing just music and replying too chat via text (got a hole 25 people at once for a bit xD). Good times, still have some vids up from then on my channel.
The game is going to be outdated before it's ever released.
No, no, CR said he wanted ww2 in space. The backers said they want 6dof.
i mean, you can enjoy a incomplete product and expect/ask more if something is being done wrong, its not mutually.
Growing complecent because the game doesnt progress as we expect doesnt remove the right to make our voice be heard when cig screws big time (which is a lot of times).
The talk of "enjoy what you have" is very heavy in the sense that leaves no more room for more doubts or thoughts about it, not everything is that black and white.
Yeah, the mimimimimimimimimi won out and they relented and they stated the Javelin would come fully equipped. Yeah, so much for integrity.
All we can do is dream of what Star Citizen can become. In the 7 years I have been with SC. I see some progress, but it is slow!
as a reclaimer owner i enjoy minimg more than salvaging, when it works.
no its not because im not flying the ship.
having dogfights at 300-1000m is much more enjoyable than jousting matches where an enemy will be 3-4km away and then rocket past you at top speed hitting the nose of your ship a few times before turning around and doing it again.
or back when if the ship you were fighting was less capable of tanking the damage vs putting out damage the enemy player would just intentionally kamikaze your ship. definitely not a fun or good flight model in my opinion
peak of my hype was seamless landing on planets