SaltEMike Reacts to Star Citizen: Overspend & Regrets
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That guy who says he doesn’t spend much anymore, except for $50/month. That’s still $600/year my dude.
he regrets being delusional about spending but continues to he delusional about spending each month
$600 in since 2012. That’s like one AAA game a year. I’m more worried about the fact that I was 29 when I pledged and now I’m 41.
Don't worry, you still have about 20 more years to dream 😂
Speaking of spending some money. I need to go and buy the 3 zeus variants.
@@arne1881 4 Zeus variants
I backed so old I'm now wondering whether my SC account can be in a Will...
Im 55 now and that also worries me :)
The sad humane society commercial music makes it so much funnier
The overspent is why you aren't happy narrative is BS . People aren't mad based on the amount they spent . People are mad based on cig not delivering.
Plenty of 45 dollar backers not happy either.
We see the internet rage over 60 dollar game flops all the time .
If cig would have delivered we wouldn't be mad
CIG can't deliver. No one could deliver. When you make such broad promises about "the best damn space sim ever" everyone imagines their own perfect game, which is different for everyone. No matter what, CIG can never possibly satisfy everyone, and maybe not even a majority.
Lol tell me you overspent without telling me.
When Bethesda puts out the dross they do, do you go defend them or hold them to the same standard?
Spent 100 3 years ago and couldn't be happier because I have plenty of other games to play
Not dude, it's definitely the over spenders.
I spent 45 bucks and got several hours of fun out of it. Everything now is extra. I enjoy forgetting about the game and coming back a year later to see the new features.
It's honestly been awesome for me.
Do I wish the game was finished? Yes. Have I still had loads of fun? Yes. 45$ bucks well spent.
@@MrSirFluffy 💯 this.
@@MrSirFluffy no , you definitely are wrong .
I have zero regrets of reaching Wing Commander. My crippling digital spaceship addictiion helped me get over my crippling alcohol addiction.
I spent over 40k smoking cigaretes in 10 years talk about stupid hobby right
Yeah…but you physically got the cigarettes, and got to physically use them….
@@aalug9122 you won't get physical flying spaceships either, no matter how much you spend
You would have interected with more players smoking than playing star citizen.
"hobby" :'D
@@aalug9122 And when it comes to ships, as long as they're in game, you can buy them and use them in game. That's what buying a digital product is. As for those that aren't released yet.. yeah that's different
Even ultima online had npcs that asked for an escort to a specific city. TIME to add gameplay to the game cig.
You nailed it. People bought a dream and they will be incredibly disappointed when that dream becomes a game. Love can quickly turn to hate when people become too invested in development.
Is it wrong to be ok with these people making a mistake to "buy the dream" because it funds the "game" I want to play? I have such a hard time feeling bad for anyone that threw this much money at a game project. To have that money you've gotta be an adult or a child that's applied anyway right?
Happy to see you’re safe from the hurricane by the way 🙏🏾
I can’t imagine how much higher insurance in that state is gonna be now if at all.
@@wiser3754if you ping me in a couple months I'll let you know. I'm in Cape Canaveral and my insurance costs actually went down $200 per month after the news reported that "exodus of insurance companies" several months ago. These storms may change things, idk.
No, I didn't put it into SC... (Well, not much of it anyway 😂)
Where there is FOMO there are regrets. It's DESIGNED to cause impulse, irrational purchases.
This is what bothers me the most about SC and I'll admit that it has gotten me.
If you have impulse control problems that's your own fault also I don't see how that's an impulse buy, You have to physically sit there and stare at them as they announce a new ship being made then you have to go to their website to get the ship that they made and then you have to put in your information to get the ship they made and then you have to click buy to get the ship they made.
And they even tell you it's in concept so you know that you're not buying anything except a picture of a ship that they made.
It's kind of crazy how there's people like me that have spent literal thousands on other pay-to-play video games like Star Trek online and they have microtransactions so I can just do it while still logged into the game and it's available instantly. But yet here I stand I've only pledged a vulture and then I have like an extra 125 bucks that I melt things with just to try out new ships. been watching development since 2016 and decided it was good enough to play towards the end of last year. I don't buy concept ships, maybe just maybe have a little self-control in your life and you won't be blowing thousands of dollars off on a video game that does not exist.
@@Crazy-Chicken-Media you lack the impulse control to not write a bible nobody will read. Also, this is perfectly documented and I'll not compile to you, try chatgpt or something.
Because SC is the only game that does this @@senn4237
@@Tentacl what?
That Wing Commander wasn't saying he invested in CIG, he's comparing CIG to every failed investment.
Exactly, kinda annoying how Salty is very ignorant to the clips he watches / reacts too. he doesn't meet the content where its at, instead he pulls the content into his sphere of thoughts. Love you Salty but mate that shits annoying af. stop that please. I love you buddy but damn
Dont worry, RSI and marketing has the answer to your overspent funding. Nerf everything to create a problem then sell you the new META MARK II
700 million in and they can’t even make a chat box that’s not blurry
700 billion? Not in this lifetime I hope. (Shudders).
@@wiser3754haha oop
to be fair, they made the ui blurry in purpose because CR thinks that looks cool... which is actually worse.
So....is there a giveaway?
3:00 I've spent $1234 over the course of 5 years. It rounds out to about $20 a month total. And for a hobby that's kind of cheap, but I refuse to spend a penny more because they haven't shown me they can do what they say they can
Gaming is a hobby, with litterally millions of games out there.
Star Citizen by itself isn't.
Comparing amounts for a single game and a complete hobby is completely insane. Even if it was a real, fully featured game.
Oh and Mike... I since 2016.. it really does seem that SANDY is the "REAL" genius at CIG, not chris and certainly not the developers.
Their Marketing Dept is 100% on point.
Money doesnt lie.
Well, she doesn't work there anymore as far as we know. Now the head of the department is a chinese woman named "Elliot Chin" i suggest you look her past up, quite telling...
I like many am a SC backer and while I got onboard when SQ42 was a dream. So I am not so mad. but, I would 100% feel scammed knowing how much of the funds went to actors for a title that many didn't sign up for if I bought in earlier and before SQ42 was a thing.
I'm a fairly new SC player (about 4 months now). I'm still enjoying playing what is available now, probably because I haven't been playing forever. However I have been developing a theory (and your comment about playing on alt accounts backs this up) that buying ships with real money ruins the game. For two reasons.
1. AT THE MOMENT (hopefully this will change with time), the only "end goal" to playing the game is to make money to buy ships. Buying ships with real money is (in my mind) basically spending money *so that you don't actually have to play the game*. What's the point in that?
2. Expectations. For the 45 bucks I spent on my game package / starter ship, I expect a game like any other. Maybe gameplay wise SC isn't great yet, but for 45 dollars it's not bad. Spend $500, and it better be a damn good game. Spend 5000, and there's no way ANY game can ever be good enough to live up to that price tag. It's just asking to be disappointed.
My 2c.
Don't spend unreasonable ammount of coins with an early alpha. You're not an investor expecting revenue in the future. Think how much you do think a normal game you might buy would cost and stop there.
@@Haegemon best advice can only confirm - cap at maximum full price AAA title, but seems you've (OP) understood yourself given your comment :)
I mean you have some points, but the reality is without ship sales this project has no continual funding and dies.
Early on, buying another ship IRL was the only way to get a new ship. Then after ship shops went up in game, they still wiped those purchases every/every other patch for a good while.
Now that everything is stable I've got about $300 in ships that just sit there.
But, I've been to 2 Citizencon, and followed development because I love the game design talk. For my $1000+, my last 8 years have been fun. But I can see how $30k and not being interested in game dev would be like a cold slap in the balls by this point. Especially with the curse of hindsight.
There used to be wipes (and it may still have new wipes incoming) to clear out every non-real-money-ship you have and you have to grind auec from the start again. You may already noticed the progress is not super fun for the 2nd or 3rd time.
There are some ships that have an advantage on grinding auecs (like the connie or pre-nerfed corsair), which may double, tripple or even 10-100 times multiply your progression rate, which means you can try more new ships in the same time period. (depend on the version and what kind of "bug" we have in those versions)
So, it's like a "pay to have less pain" or "pay so you can have fun earlier" scenario.
Besides, the new ships will be locked behind the paywall for around 2 versions and some ships are still locked (F8C or F7A)
I am not saying that you should buy ships in RL money, just point out why there are people buying them.
We need better digital goods protections.
I spent 120 bucks before i saw the light lmao i was happy i saw the writing on the wall early as fuck
Same here
you are much smarter than I was :(
Same, spend $100, saw the slow, bad updates that broke literally everything, and closed my wallet.
Only got around £50 invested in the game, or whatever the aurora cost when I bought a pledge ship back on 2022.
Backed in 2015 spent only 40 dollars in 2020 i spend 20 more to upgrade my Arora to the Arora CL this game has been worth more than 60 dollars for me
the broken alpha might possibly be worth $60... but it sure is not worth $10,000 or higher
@angelarch5352 ove mined rocks in every spacegame this is the best one ive played hands down for that between being able to walk through my ship and sell or and mining this game has already delivered
I'm almost the same story.
I've only spent
I have a lot of regrets looking at the current game and my 12k+ spent. 2012 backer, nearly died during the last 12 years of waiting already. Maybe I live long enough to see a release.
I'm about a $1100 in. I'm starting to really regret it, but as you say, we just have to learn from it. Will there be a game. I think so. I hate when people say it is a scam. You nailed it, they have no unified vision and they are just bad at managing game development. The kickstarter boon has dried up significantly since the days when Chris first put up the dream that was Star Citizen. While crowdfunding still exists, people are much more discerning, and that's Chris' real legacy, they guy that got people to front, possibly a billion dollars, for alpha state software in perpetuity.
I think that's exactly this, many backers, if not most, backed a dream and not the game.
Dude back when this game was being pitched nobody had any expectation of a single player dlc called sq42 theyve essentially gaslit that into people minds through repetition over time. When I came to pledge 45.00 look at my friend like wtf is this sq42 bullshit??? Oh well I guess thats part of the price pf admission we get free doc yay! Then they bait and switched to developing a singleplayer dlc something nobody ever asked for.
Now? They are gonna ship that dlc not as a full game but break it into three parts like all modern games try to do sell u the content as dlc. These guys are evil and that explains their disdain for their backers they didnt expect us to care about each other because at the end pf the day they need us at pur throats so they can get away with the cash
Cant wait for people to call this much spending as a "hobby" or the "game dev is hard" xd
Spending that much is a mental disorder
While I definitely haven't put too much time into the game myself compared to most (usually hop on and play for a few hours when a new big patch is released, My tolerance for jank is on the lower side), I'm one of the old old old backers who threw money at this thing because he wanted a wing commander / freelancer sequel, I cannot believe it has taken them 10 years to finish squad 42, I figured the MMO would be in development heck for a extremely long time, but I thought I'd at least have the single player game I wanted in the first place by now.
I have avoided Star citizen at this stage of development as much as it can, because I have super low impulse control (a symptom of severe ADHD diagnosed in elementary school back in '97) I know that if I interacted more with the game, the temptation to overspend on things that are shiny and new would be too much for me. It's the same reason why I've never let myself set foot in a casino, and why these days I have to usually avoid most multiplayer games (loot boxes, and timed exclusive skins fuck with my brain a lot). While I'll definitely agree some people are just stupid with their money, from experience if you put a shiny new thing in front of me, and say if you don't buy this within the next two weeks you'll never have a chance to buy it again, can literally cause me to panic, and people with similar disorders to me fall into that reaction extremely easily. And there's a boatload of studies out there pointing to this sort of thing causing the same activity in the brain that a gambling addiction causes.
Yeah, I'm in the same camp as you except for my tolerance of jank. I have a high tolerance. But regardless, I only put in maybe 10 hours/month, and I backed them WAY back when. I bought a Connie, and that's been my only purchase. I'm in the minority, though, and don't mind the long development cycle. I've been playing Tarkov since that became a thing. That game has been in development for 10 or 11 years, too. I want CIG to take their time.
Me, drinking a craft beer, smoking a cigarette and rolling a joint: "yeah the $350 I spent on SC could have went towards my other addictions, such regrets"
your comments around the 6:20 mark are really on the nose, perfectly explain a lot of what is going on at CIG. they realize that if they release the game, a lot of people that are putting money into the "Dream machine" will simply stop, because they realize that it's only a game just like all the others.
They have MONETIZED the dream of a Kraken, of a big ship - only, when you get in game and play with it, it's nothing like the dream. It's like the toys and comics of the 80s. a lot of the toys (gijoes, transformers, he-man, etc) had cartoons, and comic books, and the toys were based off of those. purely cashing in on the dream of being in that universe with those characters brought to life, but at least with those toys you could still play with them and dream, in SC when you get in game half the time it's crashing, and there's nothing to do but empty, boring quests. no story. no MMO like wow with deep lore or guilds, raiding other guilds or large scale pvp, most of the funny moments are crashing/bug related, and only then you're laughing while being pissed off and logging out.
What i don't get is how those same people don't compare it rationally to what games are currently out there - SC is basically just elite dangerous crossed with no man's sky, but worse than no man's sky, and far far far buggier than both.
Im at 880 usd...i would have gone to 1k but the changes this year are all really bad. Now my entertainment budget for a year is probably around 10k but that includes meals out, fuel, camping trips ect
all i got from this was "addicted to hopium and dreamiums" you can back a project but please for the love of god, do it correctly so you can always get your money back (like proper investments) buying pledge ships sadly doesnt grant you a refund thanks to ToS bs. maybe they learn from this mistake.
My only issue with SC and the levels of hype they have fostered is, if this flops upon release (whenever that is) this will change the face of kickstarters/early backers to a point i think you see a few sites shift on how they protect backers from scams or no release.
comparing games to tangible products you consume on a daily basis makes partial sense but also does not, yes you waste money on these consumables but you are still getting a finished product in front of you. SC is neither finished nor has a finish line in sight and that is the biggest difference. they could easily in the next 12 months fall into the red and end up shutting studios or having staff leave due to lack of funds. thats the big problem here.
40k spent for 40k’s 😂😂😂
Server meshing was a dream pipe for longest of time. I cannot imagine life as a coder working on server meshing, feeling to be a pioneer and the level of headaches over getting beat up by time frame to deliver something deemed impossible by ALL major AAA production houses in the world for well over 15 to 20 years now.
And here we are today.. server meshing has never looked better baby
@@Bubblegum_Ronin we are not there yet, but what we see is very promising indeed.
The moment you realize "server meshing" has existed for years, WoW had it on release 20 years ago, ESO has it, many MMOs actually have it, remember Dungeon instances? And some you can even select the server you are on at the top right corner? Like you are in shard 1, and you can change the shard connection to maybe fight the boss that is already UP at the next shard, whatever it may be, you are swapping servers at the point using a replication layer.
I may sound negative, but there are ZERO possibilities of this tech to work the way CIG is marketing to be, it will be "close enough" but client connections is varied, meaning the replication layer will have different speeds for different players when adding information to server location, so the "smooth" transition won`t be as smooth as it may appear to be, and to populate the shards properly with up to 500 players (which is not ideal as it will cause many problems performance-wise to the client side), they MUST properly balance the barriers or shard transitions in a way that doesn`t create problems, like hangars, cities, bunkers, POIs and planets, and to be precise I did a stupid calculation using current server performance up-tick, they need at least 8 server shards for a single planet, not taking into consideration POIs or bunkers or stations, just planet, to allow for an "smooth-ish" transition and keep the server close to 30 frames for each of the 500 players in each shard, which also needs its own replication layer server per 2 shards... It`s ALOT, and it`s very expensive, which is why most gaming companies compromise, and get back down to real world scenarios.
So either the servers will have drastically lower frames and up-ticks, or the "smooth" transition is not going to be that smooth, and we will have loading freezes and hiccups while transition from shard to shard.
We need a Peter Doocy to ask some hard hitting questions at this years player con con. I'd like to see Chris walk off refusing to answer some obvious questions.
Thank you for an interesting looking into the Star Citizen cult! LOVED the sad piano music.
@17:20 I know there is no way to make back the $$ that is lost but for a very long time I tried to make the most out of it by melting and using the CCU chain game. I'm guessing so many people were doing that years ago is why the only discounts on ships you see any more is only for warbond only.
And I feel disgusted just with my little $1334 😂😂😂
close to $15000 in the hole, and half the money spent has no ships even on the horizon..
It's called the long game and without whales.. er.. I mean people like you we might have not gotten this far! But seriously, jokes aside, the game needs funding and who's gonna fund it if not us? Whether it's a $35 starter package or the full meal $35K.. everyone spends within their means.
Did CIG spend all the money up till this point wisely, probably not, and so what .. if they still deliver? A lot of company spend money poorly and without people believing strongly enough in the original vision, the dream dies.. simple, as it should.
Of course not everyone will subscribe to this point of view but one that should be considered.
Spend what you want BUT know that the project could STILL fail. If you can do that, then you're golden.. live the dream until it's fulfilled or it's gone but don't complain about money you can't get back or about people spending to make your dream come true.
I'm just happy to be here, I'm gonna go f-k off now. Cheers!
@@Bubblegum_RoninCIG don't need another marketing rep.
@@roaldruss4211 damn, am l that talented!?! Thank you!
@@Bubblegum_Ronin Jared? 😄
I started a Spectrum General Concern Discussion called "Why Pay to Win After Release will ruin the game and lead to Nerfing "Balancing" the old Pay to Win ships."
It is Clearly a Concern about a General Post Release Topic about Funding. All Cash Shop Ships would be released Overpowered, and then Nerfed later to make room for the next Overpowered Ship to be released. I am fine with selling ships to fund the development of the game. My Discussion is about Post Release.
The Spectrum Moderator moved it to Spectrum Feedback, and then to 3.24 Live Discussion and Feedback.
Under General Discussion "Main Discussion Channel for All Things SC" under Concern is what I posted this under. Not feedback about 3.24 or Spectrum feedback.
at least they didnt suspend you... for now.
CIG will do what needs to do so new players have a fair game, they will make theclarge ships unable to manage solo and will require an Org, and won't be game changing by themselves.
@@HarenunHoppus I just caught a suspension for agreeing with him, and a couple comments about how as far as I can tell, none of the devs actually play their game.
@@nuanil 7 Day Forum Suspension. Submitted a Spectrum Admin Abuse ticket.
I asked them to move my forum post back to general concern and not hide it under feedback. Clearly they hide the topics by moving them. Sad.
@@VFW-Mayer You know you've hit the nail a little too close when they delete and ban.
I remember queueing seeing you sharpening your teeth in AC years ago. You and so many of the long forgotten Twitch streamers laughed at us in the mass refund exodus 6+ years ago. Likely, all of these backers from 3 years ago laughed us out the door too. Oh, YT must remember I was once a backer, suggesting this. I heard its no longer a PC game now. CR always wanted to play on a gamepad. You're correct, backed a dream in our heads.
@@BoostBlueFL5 still impossible on a controller unless you like having a map of your buttons next to your screen
So so close to refunding myself. This is been a fucked situation this whole year
@@frogger2011ify I wish I had the option, but from what I researched where I live it isn't possible.
@@senn4237 well the UK/Canada it sure does and in most states. Sold me a product I paid taxes on that is not what is advertised and shows no evidence it ever will be.
Glad to hear that you're doing well after the storm. I'm in for $1100....over 11 years. I'm not happy that the 1100 was spent at this point. But If you figure the 100+ hours per year that I have tested and played is at least $70 worth of other new game that I would have purchased anyway....the entertainment value over that time is OK. Not great but acceptable. Others have gone in way deeper in way less time than that and they should regret it. My wallet is closed to CIG. Permanently.
Biggest purchase regret I did this year was buy into Star Citizen this year. Was the free fly before the Great 3.24.1 update.
This "game" is a lie and I would never recommend it.
Thankfully I only gave what I was willing to put into without causing damage: I do more damage buying drinks ahaaa. I don't regret it as I knew I was effectively donating for the project and ship was nice bonus but I never expected more other than the hope the dream comes true. If not, it'll be a huge shame for the team and those that tried to support that dream. Hope that makes sense. Anyways, Hope all goes OK for recovering from the horricane, Mike. Keep safe.
The only other game I followed before release and was super hype about was Star Wars Galaxies. These days, I dont play the project, I just follow SC on youtube for the slow motion train wreck.
I've probably dumped $100 bucks a year into SC which is a fraction of other hobbies.
It's all relative, but for those feeling bad about the sheer amount they spent, it sort of doesn't matter what CIG has done.
If they released a great game 5 years ago then great, but you still spent way more than you were comfortable with.
I do think a lot of CIG's marketing is kind of yuk and predatory, but a sucker is born every minute. A lot of this reads like a bunch of people with terrible control of their finances.
I hate to be an asshole, but I think 90% of this are personal problems more than CIG taking a long time and spinning lies (which they definitely have done)
I hope CIG release a great game & I hope some of these guys get what they wanted in the first place and find some value in it.
20k on a hobby over 10 years is not bad. Iv done that number on a solid crate motor that's without the install and all the other stuff you have to change to fit a beast like that. Not unreasonable at all.
Its not bad if you have at least 4x that in savings id say :P some of these guys living paycheck to paycheck
@@RahzZalinto how you live paycheck to paycheck and have the ability to spend 20k on a game
It's not a hobby. This game is in ALPHA.
My first job out of high school I spent close to $2000 on cd's. Some spend it on clothing. Some on going to bars. I'd say, very few people spend their money on things that last.
but you have a crate motor. You essentially don’t have a game right now… just a tech demo.
Nobody's fault but mine for pledging for ships and buying a stick and rudder pedal for a game that's no longer enjoyable. However, I do still have the right to voice my opinion on all the mistakes CiG has made this year. I really didn't think the flight experience would change this much to appeal to players that couldn't learn speed management and trichording when I did it just fine on m&k.
Quite an entertaining watch!
hehehe.... are most people that play SC not a bit weird.... the ones that have been playing for a Loooong time myself included?
Good to see You and the Family are okay Mike!! was watching live yesterday what was happening with the hurricane!
I have taken a cold turkey, and now out of the, oh wow, that is a need to buy with real cash in SC!
My dream of what I thought the game would become and what CIG promised, I dont see that happening! Just eye candy fluff, with BS time sink mechanics like Item banks, MM, nerfing ships you bought with those specs, making it more or less unusable. Marketing is running the show now 100%.
I have come to the solution, that my pledges are just loses and moved on, not buying anything.... just melting stuff, and I have not had the urge to play SC, going three months now! Just watching your vids, Camurals, and a couple other people that I feel are honest towards to how the tech demo progresses.....or the lack of process. I my optics the tech demo is becoming worse by the patch, and eye candy fluff cand make it for me anymore. Sad thing was, that i loved SC and hoped it would become the game I would love to play.... the vision, i guess never will become reality!
ThanX for sharing this react and your thoughts as always Mike!
Cheers mate and you and the Family stay safe!
Edited: to your last comments, Yeah, CIG got knocked off by their own marketing, using time and recourses, by trying to push ships sales almost all year around and not focusing on making this tech demo playable, just making it worse!
30 k for 30ks 😂
Theyre reaching the point where they need to make the game fun or it is going to fail. They have tricked all the "dreamers" already, now they need to get the people in that want to play a fun game. Theyre going to need to push new deals on old ships and stop putting development funds into new ships with no reason for them to exist. They need to stop with ships and let the product stand on its own merits, and SOON. Time is running out for them.
Its already over thats why the attitude on spectrum is so nasty this is a dead zombie. Caveat emptor
I got into SC very late (aka more recently) and I was really lucky to have had all the info and feedback on the game already available to me online, helping me to make a decision whether I should get into SC or not. I already knew about the problems and people’s struggles, but I’m that kind of stupid who needs to see it for himself. I did set a limit to my little experiment though, an amount I considered I can just through out the window without regrets if the worst should prove right about SC. I’m still well within said amount and while I am disappointed about the way the development is managed by CIG, I consider it worth having given this a try. I think it’s good to have expectations and dreams, but it’s also important to have a reality check once in a while and set limits to our craziness. If you don’t expect anything, you’ll never be disappointed. If you expect everything, it will be a world of disappointment. Anything in between it’s on you to decide how far you can allow yourself to go.
We feel like it will not happen.
The more time that passes we start to question if it will happen. Just like someone saying they will be over in a minute. You wait 3 hours and they are still not showing up. You start to believe they are not going to come over. How Many Years before we realize it will not happen and give up. 15 Years?
If you saw a game 12 years in development, would you donate to it when the demo has so many bugs and so little to show?
Every advertisement is hype with little to do inside the PU.
Sunk cost fallacy and maybe one of the longest running cons in history?
We hope it will work out, but at 12+ years the realization will sink in and they will lose future funding.
So long as they keep developing what we have I'm happy.
To be fair, nobody is aware of Alphas until they are announced as Betas. Usualky nobody pays orvplays an alpha because it's a phase were everything can be cancelled when there is a publisher behind.
@@Haegemon I agree most games have a completely working beta with a small slice with all features working. This game a Tech Demo in Development. On one side we have stretch goals, and on the other we have what is currently playable in a buggy state.
Glad you made it though the hurricane OK. 👍
Actually I spent $2500.. can get it back??… since the game isn’t even close to what I imagined
I think CIG put in a clause after the launch of 3.0 that all purchases or pledges after 14 days are final.
No more refunds. You want a refund go to arbitration where another backer lost his case against CIG.
At some point this will go to court. Just a matter of time
@@madhax47lmao no, it won't.
For EU citizens, some customers have found success going through ECAS and having them go after CIG. If you are in the US, you have a 30 day time limit to refund. Otherwise, you will need to go through the grey market and sell your ships at a loss. It used to be around 60% of your ships value, but that number has halved the last I looked at it, and on some weeks people get the message that they're not taking any ships at the moment.
All this BS for a game promising no loading screen LMFAO! It takes me...maybe 10 seconds to load onto my ship in Star Trek Online....It then takes maybe 10 more seconds to be at my Mission lol...All this for a fucking "NO LOADING SCREEN!"
What I worry about is, share holder value. Like... in a real company, these sort of monetary values (which inevitably go toward paying salaries, developing products, etc) come from investors in exchange for a piece of the company (and a share of future profits, with the ability to sell off your shares for something in the future whether a lot or a little... but something). But... with the crowd funding model, these are basically just gifts to the company (in return for some developments). Now it's much more of a transactional thing, if you want a ship you 'buy it' (pledge for it?), but in the first years these people should've been getting shares of the company or something (in a normal company). Feels bad seeing these people even refer to their gifts or 'pledges' as 'investments' (they are not investments in the real sense of the word). Is CIG a non-profit or charity, no? My two cents.
did the calculations, ive spent roughly the same on SC if i had paid for a WoW sub for the same amount of time
That's the hard part. The longer the game takes, in live development, the worse it will get for legacy OG backers. There is so much time that is passing during development, without substantial "this IS what SC is" from CIG, that backers make their own head cannon version of what SC SHOULD be for them.
I'm only in for a nomad starter pack. I have quit a fleat of ships bought with in game money, when they get wiped I'm done. 2 years ago I played a little every day after work, it was way more fun 2 years ago. Once a week if I even bother now. Everything takes longer to do and not as much fun.
I feel really bad about spending 45 on starter pack, because what I got from it was years of waiting for core game functionality to start working, but it never did. They aren't even trying.
about your point of "we will see the result of it at citizen con, we will see what we invested in"
And you say the game isn't a scam.
The thing is, people have been saying "we will see what we invested in" for like 13 years. that's why people say chris is scamming people.
I am putting my money on citizen con being another show nothing do nothing carrot and stick show like normal.
the only thing that would be different is a release date for SC in this year, or in this next 12 months. anything else is more scam.
As someone who raised and bred purebred German Shepherds for 20 years and even sold them to law enforcement, a few things to look out for.
It pays to know the parent's temperament. If one of them is highly aggressive, it's something to look out for. Secondly, even with German Shepherds, it's highly rare that they would bite a kid. Most dogs love kids. Especially when raised with them. We had one German Shepherd with former police training bite a kid, but only because he picked up a stick near the family which she perceived as a weapon and pinned the child to the ground by the arm. That was mostly the police training. The breed of the puppy will tell you a lot as well.
Other than that, out of the 100's of GS we've had, none of them showed aggression towards kids. If raised properly, most larger breeds look at children as something to protect, not harm.
Watching this video in the context of the natural disaster happening in south east US is a total reality check for me. I spent some dollars on a game. Big fuckin' deal. A lot of people have lost everything in the last week or so and now they have to rebuild their life from scratch. I'm not angry now - I'm grateful and I'm glad you made it through ok Mike. Stay safe.
there is a way to go about this, it can happen still, but things really need to change... it's not just a game at this point, it is a dream for a lot of people.
a lot of the game mechanics were fundamentally interwoven with the lore and now they are changing game mechanics into cliche game logic and replacing unique and innovative interaction with what can 't be described as anything but heavily dated and generic npc looting mechanics... now things are just unravelling and tearing at the seams, as now that one has been forced into something different, the puzzle piece no longer fits, the wine no longer matches the meal, etc...
it was just a matter of thinking of some solutions and actually doing it, too. some of the solutions weren't even technical lol! they were just organizing and artistic planning. like some mechanics that seem to be axed for not being doable are literally a 3 month rookie mod away using assets they created for the replacement or just something else they didn't think to use as a solution...
the experience they concepted was incredible, it just needed some polish. however, doesn't help having 100's-1000's of people yelling at them for reworks for things like a item bank paper doll, even though the ship with a suit locker was supposed to be a character progression mechanic that saves time when the player earns the feature... or things like losing cargo and blaming it on a physics system when cargo was non physical and incapable of being moved, or skipping across pads before IFCS hard-capped speed. that's not meant as a cheap shot, it's just meant to make a point.
medical has no purpose now. people backspace in a heartbeat for T3 injuries just to bypass using the panel to treat injuries. no real reason for Apollo, no real reason for Endeavor Hope config, no real reason for prosthetics, no real reason for stat progression, as people will just have 20 Nursas in a cargo hold and every character will inevitably end up max level and max rep in everything, with no real risk and only a small dip in a never ending bank account tracking bar chart. could have had injury based downed states that allowed people to be dragged while shooting, but no, don't do anything like that lol, just make it so any bed arbitrarily respawns based on proximity...
the list goes on. i can only repair so much damage myself.
Its funny to see people compare buying a game to buying vices lol. “I spent this much on this thing i should stop buying and thats just like Star Citizen!”
Star cult asks simply you throw out all self respect and expectations based in reality. You are commander backer now
Backed in 2014, and I've only spent ~$150. Watching the game progress slowly is much easier when you haven't spent that much money. I also feel like the people spending thousands on ships pay to pre-complete certain parts of the game before it even "comes out".
Bought in when I was 15 nine years ago, and have spent a grand total of $239USD since then.
I've only ever owned an Avenger Titan up until the Zeus was announced lol.
Everyone, including our beloved Salte will be gushing during CitCon, as I will too lol
Happy to report I've spent a total of £65 to date since backing in 2013 and I've followed the development continuously and played hundreds of hours. See, we're not all bad with money :)
About making it so much bigger than it will be is SO true. just today on Spectrum there was a whole conversation about "when we will have 100 or more star systems". I could just stay dumbfounded in front of my screen thinking " are they not realising that it took 12 years to not even finish Stanton, almost 8 for Pyro? They STILL believe we'll have 100+ systems... Some backers are just too far gone to even be worth having a conversation with. Will SC be detailed? Yeah, it will. But it won't be NEARLY as deep as some people make it out to be, or hope it will be.
They can do it with random shit, but they would be good as gameplay don't think so. It's better to have quality over quantity
My grandkids are gonna really enjoy the Star Citizen Beta
Correction! Great Grand Kids!!! 😁
At least it’ll come out by then. Probably directed by CRoberts own grandkids.
“Grandpa it’s going to come out in about two years “
This reminds me of arguing in the forums with the clowns who every concept sale went on to say "don't tell my wife I spent this"
I have a few thousand in, not sure exactly how much at this point but I have been around this for over 10 years, I have no regrets, mostly because I understood what I was signing up for, I like the project and want to fund, I know the whole thing could tank and nothing could come out, that's why I set the amount I give to an amount that would not financially devastate me
When you crowd fund anything there is risk, you are not guarenteed anything, and it's not CIG's job to make you be responsible with your money
I'm also so tired of the predatory marketing crap too, you people are adults, be more mature, and maybe stay away from car dealerships since you have zero impulse control with large purchases and aggressive marketing
Joke's on you Mike. I've got a CR stamp on my lower back.
Server meshing itself isn't impossible, it's been done since Acheron's Call pioneered it in 1998 or so. CIG's problem is they never actually designed the servers to be compatible with seamless zoning handoffs from the get go, or they were overly ambitious with how large they could get away with making the individual servers in the mesh.
Major centers such as Microtech needs to be divided into like 5 servers. One for the Habs and Hospital, One for the Commons, 1 for the Spaceport, 1 for the immediate area 50k around the spaceport, and then 1 for the rest of the planet. And your handoff/seamless zoning takes place on the tram, and is no different than running across the entirety of the world in AC1.
The only part that is new is dynamically sizing zones.
It's a bit more complicated than that, you need to take in consideration entity persistence and a graph database, combine that with a fck ton of networking problems on a bigger scale. This shit is not even close to another games with their version of server meshing. What you said about that they never design servers to be compatible with seamless zoning is true but how they would done it without server meshing. Without a bit of experience in IT it's hard to grasp what they are doing. I agree with that major zones should be divided in more servers but they said that's their plan with **Dynamic server meshing**, we are not yet close to that and will take a long time, I hope I'm wrong here.
@@morganlefay-k4c all of which more or less existed in AC1, and every major MMO since. Though most of them did use a 6 second tick and client side authoritative models to adjust and compensate for network fuckery. But the meshing itself isn't new, and item persistence isn't new, but generally was restricted to a couple of hours because items continuing to exist in the environment for anything over a few hours severely increases the overall network and computational load, and CIG has taken it to the extreme at the detriment of performance. Which is why CIG is nuts to believe they can sustain Stanton itself on less than about a dozen servers/clusters.
By the time we get a couple thousand corpses stranded in the middle of the various heavenly bodies, plus a couple thousand gowns lefts in the medical bays, AND then toss on the thousands upon thousands of bottles we're dropping everywhere, and it's really no wonder why trying to run Stanton on a single cluster just doesn't work.
I run a small business in real life, marketing is the king and one thing I’ve learned is that you can’t ever be content with your current client base you always have to be searching for new clients and judging by the atls sales nothing gonna change CIG anytime soon
CIG lives from the great dream of humanity to conquer space. Since it is not accomplishable in this lifetime we try to live this dream through this SIM.
Unfortunately CIG is now exploiting this dream in a bad way. Best wishes to all!
Don't get depressed. Look inside yourself, everyone can find new resources to build upon. 🌟🌻
He’s alive
Some people just need that ego boost that comes with the power-fantasy of owning massive spaceships.
“The future of the game is looking darker and darker,”
well yeah we don’t have ray trace lighting in yet, just gotta wait for that
Odd that isn’t in yet? It’s not exactly server meshing levels of coding and it’s not tied to any network functionally.
Is figure that the hair physics and cloth physics would’ve been harder to do.
I don't even to THINK about how much I spent on tobacco, or the 'odd' bottle of booze. Or even, ever since the days of PS 1 how much I have spent on video games. Over the course of a lifetime putting aside what HAS to be spent on essentials (rent, utilities, medical etc) the amount spent on what amounts (in the grand scheme of things) to rubbish, self gratification etc is staggering. So why worry about it? Life is what it is, often short, often unfair, never predictable and always full of surprises good and bad. Is what it is folks.
So apart from doing the best you can in living a life it does not matter WHAT you have spent on your dreams and aspirations as long as it means SOMETHING to you.
Majority of people can't see outside the box, I think the same and I have friends who stress themselves with the smallest things possible
oh shit bro, i didnt' realize where in FLA you were, glad you are ok, sorry i'm a heal and didn't ask last night. Glad you are ok!
The sad theme music in the background had me cackling with laughter. I know it was suppose to be serious but it felt like and advert for erectile dysfunction or one of those commercial that want you to donate to animal shelters.
I wish I could get a full refund.
I don't really need the money tbh.. But just because they don't listen.. they don't provide better servers..they dont fix GAME BREAKING bugs..
i spent 40 bucks in like 2013 for an aurora and has never spent a single dime ever since.
I think of it as entainment. If I would have spent the time in bar or cinima instead of playing SC, what would I have wasted there? Anyhow, the money is not gone, it just somewhere else. If I spent my money on my bank account it just disappears. So at the end of the day, I am still ok with what I have wasted in the last 12 years.
With AAA developers taking stock dives as large as Ubi and Bethesda, CiG are in big trouble of power to the gamer coming to bite them in the *as one wrong article bowling up and it could potentially be over for everyone
25:49 this right here had me rolling 😂
I spent 51€ and do not regret it (joined in 3.22 era, when the game was good) and told myself: i may spend more when i see they deserve it... hasn’t happened yet.
I've gone all the way around and back again.
I signed up before the games was announced, that a sub-10k backer number. I think I was like 6229 or something. Managed to get deep up to about £800, but lost faith in 2014 or 2015 and managed to get a refund.
Now, I've actually signed back up paid £80 for a decent starter and play it like it's any other game. I don't love it like a fanboy, or hate it like a spurned lover. It's just an impressive looking tech demo that can kill some time over the holidays.
It's fine.
I had no clue where he lived so talking shit to subscribers not checking in on him is top myopia.
I as well only use store credit. Not one dime for a long time. Spent just over 1000 and no more. Glad to see people coming around to stuff said years ago about this debacle
I didn't know you were also in FL Mike, we will have to check in on each other from now on. This hurricane season is nuts.
Imagine if you own every vehicle currently in the game. Playing the game with each vehicle for 40 hours, would be total of 180 weeks (if you play 40 hours a week, every week) - which comes to around 3.5 years, every week 40 hours of gaming only SC. Who needs it all? Who can reasonably claim they need them all? Some content creators I agree on, as they make money out of purchasing new vehicles as soon as they come out.
Props to the puppy training brother, that is important as hell
this is why i became a doctor - so instead of buying a porsche i can buy an idris
This is because of Chris Roberts/ CiG changing the NORMALITY of the game for spending 5000USD minimum is normal
Minimum? What are you smoking. Have you spent $5000 on SC?
Lol, I can understand someone overspending themselves. But having nearly 19k in the game over two accounts myself. I have spent what I have enjoyed over 8 years.
If they didn't do this it wouldn't work out requires that it actually works out eventually.
Will it?
Money is always relative but look at anyone with a body mod hobby with a car they will wreck lol They spend thousands all the same.
The money was never the problem, the time is the issue that weighs on people... 12 years of death....some people who backed this game will never see it.
I hope most of these are fake man lol. I feel like a dumbass blowing something like $300 overall on SC. I knew early on that this game wasnt going to be anywhere near what they claimed in 2015. Took the L..$300 down the drain. Don't get me wrong, I am fairly well off, could easily buy everything CIG sells on their site and not bat an eye. Im a car guy, got a decent sized collection of high end rides. I have blown (sometimes stupidly) untold hundreds of thousands of dollars on cars and tune parts for em, Same as these people on imaginary flying machines. but well...least cars retain some value lol.