Great trick with the swivel extension, you have a good job. I have a mechanical background myself, that was pretty impressive. So after watching the video the steering handle is not even directly connected to the steering shaft, oh my gosh... People are saying how great this bike is, the only thing that has impressed me is the over all design and rear suspension and motor redesign...
Great video. I have the 2018 and my steering is broken now. We are just starting our vacation and bike is out of commission. Any recommendations of mechanics honda shops near Saco, Maine so we can continue the trip
Max, can you supply the part numbers for the 2 castle nuts that will need replacing? When will you spindle be available and the cost? Thanks for following up on this issue. Awaiting you video Part 2.
Hi Steve, the stainless spindle will be $130-$140 probably, I need to set the price today after reviewing machine time and costs. Those 2 castle nuts are on millions of Goldwings. If you have a 19-20 you shouldn't have to replace them, and if you have an 18 there is just a chance you will. I will try and get the P/Ns and prices though.
Just when I was thinking there could not be a worse idea than eliminating the steel sleeves and simply boring out the aluminum block and spray painting the cylinder sleeves in...i stand corrected.
Great video - well done ! Any reason to assume Honda corrected this by 2021, or did they retain the aluminum spindle and lower the torque to 51 ft/lb ?
Another great MMV. Mighty Max Video. Or is it Mad Max Video? I guess since you don't have a costume on it is Mighty Max. Any ball park cost for the SS replacement? Since the bottom nut is close to the top of the front shock does it make it easier to replace when upgrading the front shock? Maybe you can offer a package deal for the tie rod , spindle and front shock. Just thinking out loud.
Grazie Max per tutte le info importantissime che dai.Ho acquistato una goldwing a luglio 2023 ritieni che honda ha risolto il problema? Altrimenti dovro' risolverlo con i tuoi prodotti,grazie.🙏
It was improved with a reduced torque spec in 2019. Everyone still uses our safety pin on all years, and many people change the spindle to our stainless steel one for peace of mind and greater rigidity.
I can see the way this is going, your going to fit a Stainless one, I fabricated one but put a 17mm allen key hole at the bottom, I thought it was easier to facilitate the tightening, rather than fishing with the 22 mm socket. I also fitted needle berings, the top one with a larger internal diameter, so I could have a sleeved nut at the bottom of the assembly retaining the top bearing. After I assembled it, a days work, didnt feel any different!! But next job I think will be to replace the actual steering berings with needle rollers too. Probably not necessary but balls always seat, and we have so many pot holes in the UK I'm not taking any chances.
Hello Anthony! No shock or extreme load is ever applied to the spindle like you would find in a telescopic fork. Ball bearings are more than good enough for this application, and they will never wear out as fitted. We are just using the 22mm hex, as the owner will already have the tools out on the bench, and most aren't likely to have large allen sockets in their toolbox. We have considered just having both! But we would use something smaller, like 12mm to leave more meat around the head of the spindle.
@@Traxxion Hello Max, well it was more a case of I managed to get some solid bar with the 17mm hex hole down the middle, I did even consider having a large flange with some hardened steel pins and making a special tool with magnets to hold the tool in place, but I was getting a bit carried away with looking for a solution to a problem I would have created myself!! The solid bar was from a hydraulic drive system that I modified a few years back( and being honest it was #2, #1 went a bit wrong with shallow threads) snap-on do a lovely 17mm hex socket 3/8 and 1/2 drive!!
Max another question, the revised service manual instructions state to “ further tighten” the castle lock nut after initial contact within 90 degrees to align the groves for the lock washer. You stated to back it off. I checked my 18 Wing and the lock washer has slight play. Looks like Honda revised the installation method too. Having the castle nuts in light contact with each other adds some strength to the assembly after tightening without affecting the preload on bearings below. Can you confirm if this new print is correct or misprint. Thanks
Either method works. We tighten down till the spring is compressed, and then back up to align grooves. Spinning down till touch plus 90 degress would work too. But 2 things: There should DEFINITELY be a gap between the two nuts, and the lockwasher should NOT be rattling.
When you demonstrated the "flex in the steering stem" in the previous video, I think it was this same bike of yours and I thought to myself that the amount of flex demonstrated was NOT normal. Then I did the same torture test to my own and it is solid. Is this that same bike?
Yes, same bike. We're going to try and break it today. I have another bike in the shop, same flexy rubber. I am going to do a cool video applying pressure to measure flex.
@@Traxxion Look forward to the stress test. I ordered the adjuster tab nut, the tab washer, and upper tab (support) nut. I bet they get scarce. I think Honda's method is to finger tighten the upper tab nut and then tighten furter to first position where tab washer locks in. I have always done it the other way, finget tight and loosen to first position where tabs will mate. But, when threads crush its not going to matter much.
Doesn't seem like a good idea from Honda to basically use an aluminum bolt. I don't have one of these new Goldwings, but if I did this would definitely be on my must have list.
They adjusted the torque spec on the crown nut in 2019. The parts are the same. They were over torqueing the aluminum spindle using the torque spec from the steel spindle found on the 2001-17 bikes.
We might keep and sell them separately. They aren't needed for any 19+ bike. For 2018s, some spindles won't even be damaged. On my bike, since the nuts are steel, they just spun through the aluminum spindle, and I brushed them out with a wire brush and they still work fine. If you are worried, I would get a set from your local dealer. You can also reuse the loctab washer for this job, it won't be crushed.
I was pushing my bike using the windshield and busted it off, can you come up with a new design that would stiffen that up as well? Rule #1 No matter who says it does not matter you wont hurt it Do Not Use Your Handlebars As A Tie Down Point! I don't care what brand of motorcycle you have if its over 800lbs and you use your handlebars as a tie down point you are going to screw something up as handlebars is for steering the bike only. Don't stand on them, don't hang your bike in the garage from them and don't use them as a tie down SMH.
OK Everyone! As long as your bike weighs 799 pounds or less, it is safe to tie it down, stand on the bars, or hang the bike from the garage ceiling. 800 pounds is where it becomes unsafe. Before you get on the internet and type away without knowing what you are talking about... you should use the internet to understand this problem. Steering spindles on 2018 Honda Goldwings were damaged BY HONDA OVERTORQUING the crown nut. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH TYING DOWN YOUR BIKE.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics only idiots tie down their bike from the handlebars. You stated on your previous video it’s perfectly fine to do so which was very poor advice to give. Don’t blame Honda as nobody makes anything idiot proof. Handlebars are for steering ONLY.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics says you. Last I checked you’re not a Honda engineer. You like to point out things you think can be done better and sell sell sell. Why don’t you just be man enough to own up to your poorly given advice about using the handlebars as a tie down point and move on instead of blaming Honda. Unless it’s across the board and several thousand bikes are having the same issue which I highly doubt the issue is a result of mishandling/misuse.
@@mikehernandez1511 If you are too stupid to understand that the problem in this video ISN'T ABOUT TYING YOUR BIKE BY THE HANDLEBARS, AND IS CAUSED BY HONDA OVERTORQING THE CROWN NUT, then I will just delete all of your ignorant commentary.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics delete away. All I stress is be man enough to admit you made a piss poor video with bad advice regarding tying down your bike with the handlebars and all you can do it try to belittle me. You’re a joke
Max as long as you take the trouble to make a video why in the hell is it only 240p, as you well know it's low quality and frustrating to viewers, now I'm no technician so what's the deal is a question of using a expensive camera cause if it is maybee you should invest in one so you get high def, makes all the difference in the world, but other than that good job on content.
After 3 years and around a million views, you are the first person to complain about my video resolution quality! I use a Samsung Galaxy S9 cell phone. It is set to FHD 1920 x 1080. I have some higher settings I could use apparently. FHD (60FPS) 1920 x 1080, QHD 2560 x 1440, UHD 3840 x 2160, UHD (60fps) 3840 x 2160. Which do you think would be better?
@@Traxxion Maybee I spoke too soon, my bad, I'm a novice at computers and after I saw your response I went back to your video and discovered that the steaming quality is adjustable and indeed at 750p it looks perfect, so I like to be the first to admit when I'm wrong, and thank you for your efforts to rectify this life threatening oversight on Honda's part and for also beating them to the fix...Kudos to you sir.
And all the while I'm thinking that this is a $30,000 motorcycle from the infinite resources and brains of Honda. Well done again Max.
Glad to help!
Honda quality! Steering falling apart. This sounds like a recall in the making. Thanks for posting.
This happened to my 2018 goldwing. Had to take it back to the dealership about 6 weeks ago.
Another excellent and informative video. Thanks Max
My pleasure!
Max, You are the greatest mechanic and knower of this bike in the world !!
Man, there is so much to this bike I haven't even touched or looked at, I can't be greatest! But thanks for the support!
Once again........Great Job Max !!!
Thanks, I will have GREAT videos on this topic this week!!!
Why did Honda use aluminium for such an important part as the spindle? Great video and explanation thank you.
Great progress on this repair.
Great trick with the swivel extension, you have a good job. I have a mechanical background myself, that was pretty impressive. So after watching the video the steering handle is not even directly connected to the steering shaft, oh my gosh... People are saying how great this bike is, the only thing that has impressed me is the over all design and rear suspension and motor redesign...
Great video. I have the 2018 and my steering is broken now. We are just starting our vacation and bike is out of commission. Any recommendations of mechanics honda shops near Saco, Maine so we can continue the trip
Great Video. Thanks Max!
Glad you liked it!
Max, can you supply the part numbers for the 2 castle nuts that will need replacing? When will you spindle be available and the cost? Thanks for following up on this issue. Awaiting you video Part 2.
Hi Steve, the stainless spindle will be $130-$140 probably, I need to set the price today after reviewing machine time and costs. Those 2 castle nuts are on millions of Goldwings. If you have a 19-20 you shouldn't have to replace them, and if you have an 18 there is just a chance you will. I will try and get the P/Ns and prices though.
Just when I was thinking there could not be a worse idea than eliminating the steel sleeves and simply boring out the aluminum block and spray painting the cylinder sleeves in...i stand corrected.
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Great video - well done ! Any reason to assume Honda corrected this by 2021, or did they retain the aluminum spindle and lower the torque to 51 ft/lb ?
They retained the aluminum spindle and had this spec corrected for 2019 and newer models.
Another great MMV. Mighty Max Video. Or is it Mad Max Video? I guess since you don't have a costume on it is Mighty Max. Any ball park cost for the SS replacement? Since the bottom nut is close to the top of the front shock does it make it easier to replace when upgrading the front shock? Maybe you can offer a package deal for the tie rod , spindle and front shock. Just thinking out loud.
New spindle will be $130-140. It can be replaced easily without the shock, in about an hour.
Grazie Max per tutte le info importantissime che dai.Ho acquistato una goldwing a luglio 2023 ritieni che honda ha risolto il problema? Altrimenti dovro' risolverlo con i tuoi prodotti,grazie.🙏
It was improved with a reduced torque spec in 2019. Everyone still uses our safety pin on all years, and many people change the spindle to our stainless steel one for peace of mind and greater rigidity.
Grazie mille, continuo a seguirti con molto interesse,ciao.
I can see the way this is going, your going to fit a Stainless one, I fabricated one but put a 17mm allen key hole at the bottom, I thought it was easier to facilitate the tightening, rather than fishing with the 22 mm socket. I also fitted needle berings, the top one with a larger internal diameter, so I could have a sleeved nut at the bottom of the assembly retaining the top bearing. After I assembled it, a days work, didnt feel any different!! But next job I think will be to replace the actual steering berings with needle rollers too. Probably not necessary but balls always seat, and we have so many pot holes in the UK I'm not taking any chances.
Hello Anthony! No shock or extreme load is ever applied to the spindle like you would find in a telescopic fork. Ball bearings are more than good enough for this application, and they will never wear out as fitted. We are just using the 22mm hex, as the owner will already have the tools out on the bench, and most aren't likely to have large allen sockets in their toolbox. We have considered just having both! But we would use something smaller, like 12mm to leave more meat around the head of the spindle.
@@Traxxion Hello Max, well it was more a case of I managed to get some solid bar with the 17mm hex hole down the middle, I did even consider having a large flange with some hardened steel pins and making a special tool with magnets to hold the tool in place, but I was getting a bit carried away with looking for a solution to a problem I would have created myself!! The solid bar was from a hydraulic drive system that I modified a few years back( and being honest it was #2, #1 went a bit wrong with shallow threads) snap-on do a lovely 17mm hex socket 3/8 and 1/2 drive!!
Max was that the same Goldwing you were jumping up and down on the handlebars demonstrating how it was ok to tie the new Wings down by the bars?
Yes it is. Today, we're going to try and break that spindle to see how much force it takes.
We’d love to see you do this and see how the stem fails, please take a video thanks!!
Max another question, the revised service manual instructions state to “ further tighten” the castle lock nut after initial contact within 90 degrees to align the groves for the lock washer. You stated to back it off. I checked my 18 Wing and the lock washer has slight play. Looks like Honda revised the installation method too. Having the castle nuts in light contact with each other adds some strength to the assembly after tightening without affecting the preload on bearings below. Can you confirm if this new print is correct or misprint. Thanks
Either method works. We tighten down till the spring is compressed, and then back up to align grooves. Spinning down till touch plus 90 degress would work too. But 2 things: There should DEFINITELY be a gap between the two nuts, and the lockwasher should NOT be rattling.
Thanks for the info!!
@@petex1568 You got it!
When you demonstrated the "flex in the steering stem" in the previous video, I think it was this same bike of yours and I thought to myself that the amount of flex demonstrated was NOT normal. Then I did the same torture test to my own and it is solid. Is this that same bike?
Yes, same bike. We're going to try and break it today. I have another bike in the shop, same flexy rubber. I am going to do a cool video applying pressure to measure flex.
@@Traxxion Look forward to the stress test. I ordered the adjuster tab nut, the tab washer, and upper tab (support) nut. I bet they get scarce. I think Honda's method is to finger tighten the upper tab nut and then tighten furter to first position where tab washer locks in. I have always done it the other way, finget tight and loosen to first position where tabs will mate. But, when threads crush its not going to matter much.
@@rooster3019 I tried the adjustment both ways just now, and it basically lands in about the same tab.
Doesn't seem like a good idea from Honda to basically use an aluminum bolt. I don't have one of these new Goldwings, but if I did this would definitely be on my must have list.
Has Honda ever fixed this issue on 22 or 23 model year bikes?
They adjusted the torque spec on the crown nut in 2019. The parts are the same. They were over torqueing the aluminum spindle using the torque spec from the steel spindle found on the 2001-17 bikes.
Dear is it this issue for only 2018 or including 2020 as well because I got new one recently and iam worried 😟 about this issue
All years have the same aluminum spindle.
Max, will you be selling the spindle as a kit that includes the nuts?
We might keep and sell them separately. They aren't needed for any 19+ bike. For 2018s, some spindles won't even be damaged. On my bike, since the nuts are steel, they just spun through the aluminum spindle, and I brushed them out with a wire brush and they still work fine. If you are worried, I would get a set from your local dealer. You can also reuse the loctab washer for this job, it won't be crushed.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics Thank you, Sir!
Yeah it’s fubard
I was pushing my bike using the windshield and busted it off, can you come up with a new design that would stiffen that up as well? Rule #1 No matter who says it does not matter you wont hurt it Do Not Use Your Handlebars As A Tie Down Point! I don't care what brand of motorcycle you have if its over 800lbs and you use your handlebars as a tie down point you are going to screw something up as handlebars is for steering the bike only. Don't stand on them, don't hang your bike in the garage from them and don't use them as a tie down SMH.
OK Everyone! As long as your bike weighs 799 pounds or less, it is safe to tie it down, stand on the bars, or hang the bike from the garage ceiling. 800 pounds is where it becomes unsafe.
Before you get on the internet and type away without knowing what you are talking about... you should use the internet to understand this problem. Steering spindles on 2018 Honda Goldwings were damaged BY HONDA OVERTORQUING the crown nut. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH TYING DOWN YOUR BIKE.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics only idiots tie down their bike from the handlebars. You stated on your previous video it’s perfectly fine to do so which was very poor advice to give. Don’t blame Honda as nobody makes anything idiot proof. Handlebars are for steering ONLY.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics says you. Last I checked you’re not a Honda engineer. You like to point out things you think can be done better and sell sell sell. Why don’t you just be man enough to own up to your poorly given advice about using the handlebars as a tie down point and move on instead of blaming Honda. Unless it’s across the board and several thousand bikes are having the same issue which I highly doubt the issue is a result of mishandling/misuse.
@@mikehernandez1511 If you are too stupid to understand that the problem in this video ISN'T ABOUT TYING YOUR BIKE BY THE HANDLEBARS, AND IS CAUSED BY HONDA OVERTORQING THE CROWN NUT, then I will just delete all of your ignorant commentary.
Max McAllister & Traxxion Dynamics delete away. All I stress is be man enough to admit you made a piss poor video with bad advice regarding tying down your bike with the handlebars and all you can do it try to belittle me. You’re a joke
Max as long as you take the trouble to make a video why in the hell is it only 240p, as you well know it's low quality and frustrating to viewers, now I'm no technician so what's the deal is a question of using a expensive camera cause if it is maybee you should invest in one so you get high def, makes all the difference in the world, but other than that good job on content.
After 3 years and around a million views, you are the first person to complain about my video resolution quality! I use a Samsung Galaxy S9 cell phone. It is set to FHD 1920 x 1080. I have some higher settings I could use apparently. FHD (60FPS) 1920 x 1080, QHD 2560 x 1440, UHD 3840 x 2160, UHD (60fps) 3840 x 2160. Which do you think would be better?
@@Traxxion Maybee I spoke too soon, my bad, I'm a novice at computers and after I saw your response I went back to your video and discovered that the steaming quality is adjustable and indeed at 750p it looks perfect, so I like to be the first to admit when I'm wrong, and thank you for your efforts to rectify this life threatening oversight on Honda's part and for also beating them to the fix...Kudos to you sir.
@@javig5045 Thanks Javier! You had me worried!
Wow not liking that crap. So far mine is okay. Great work poor design.
Mine as well. At least I think it is ok?
The best way to fix it is to replace it with a Harley. Problem solved.
Yeah, because Harleys are the World's most reliable machine...HAHA!