"Worst Way to Save Money" I Agniveer Battle Between Rahul Gandhi & Modi Government I Barkha Dutt
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In his speech on July 1, during the Motion of Thanks to the President’s address in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi called the Agnipath scheme for recruitment in the armed forces a “use and throw” scheme that differentiates heavily between a permanent soldier and those temporarily recruited as Agniveers.
Defence minister Rajnath Singh intervened to say that Gandhi’s allegations were false and that the government provides Rs 1 crore compensation to families of Agniveer soldiers who die in the line of duty.
On July 3, Gandhi posted a video on X in which he said that the defence minister had lied to parliament about this compensation. The video then showed a clip of Ajay Kumar’s father telling Gandhi earlier that while the Punjab government has given the family some money, the “Central government gave them nothing.” The video also shows Kumar’s father reacting to Rajnath Singh’s compensation claim in the Lok Sabha. He says, “We received neither any message, nor any money.”
Hours later, the Indian Army’s spokesperson posted on X, saying that they wished to clarify that “Of the total amount due, family of Agniveer Ajay has already been paid Rs 98.39 lakhs.”
Is Ministry Passing Off Insurance as Govt Payment?
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Admiral Arun Prakash | Former Chief of the Naval Staff
Lt. Gen Raj Shukla, Former Army Commander
Major Gen. Yash Mor, Defence Analyst
Lt Gen Zameer Uddin Shah | Former VC | AMU
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Completely agree with Gen Shukla. All these old and retired ex-servicemen are all like, "I have been..." or "I have seen..." or "I know how..." and so on and so forth. Spare a thought for all those Colonels and Generals and Majors who are in service right now. They might be thinking, "don't we know anything"?
Kind of funny coming from ex-servicemen that while the guns and tanks need modernization, the people behind those guns and tanks should be from legacy systems. I guess they forget that not only our forces, but everything around us is being modernized. And people are coping with it, because those clinging to legacy systems and procedures are falling behind.
Technology change is one thing, technology adoption is another, and to have a robust institute, the rates of those two got to be at par. There's no question of falling behind, for the costs are too high, nation at stake.
Lastly, if it takes 8 long years to train a gunner, well, the training needs to change, as simple as that. It can't be a scenario where we need to stick to old guns because it takes 8 years to train on a new gun.
The matter is straightforward now. There are two insurance payments; one is from SBI connected his bank account. Another insurance is the soldier’s membership in an army organisation. Where is the one bullet payment of 1 crore from the central government or Army compensation fund promised in the Parliament?
and who pays the premium for the term insurance?
@@m_priyankushdutta5953 We are confident that it is not the army or central government. The premium is paid by SBI and the army organisation to attract the accounts. It comes to the stage that the government doesn’t need to pay any compensation as the fallen soldier had personal insurance with third party coverage.
Family received 1 crore, they no need to pay any premium, Gov has done insurance for them
spoken like a true anti national convert.
Well, that's the Army Compensation. That's how any compensation works nowadays, through insurance. You shouldn't be commenting if you aren't aware of even such basics.
Gen Mor is a true soldier and spoke from his heart to demonstrate he has been a commander who understood his Troops extremely well.
Really and gen shukla isnt. Mor is a loud mouth anti govt mouthpiece that satisfies the agenda of ur radical community.
Thanks 🙏
The shaheed got one crore and the debater is saying I didn’t know who paid. Such a shallow debate and Barkha is misleading. Not questioning Rahul Gandhi who mislead the nation.
Your point is correct. RAHUL Gandhi is a beanbrained corrupt dynast, who speaks without much research & thought and misleads the nation to just score cheap political points, , a testimony to the fact that he didn't manage to clear a single academic exam with aplomb, despite getting all possible opportunities and privileges
why would she do that sir, her agenda is same as Rahul gandu, to mislead the nation.
Not from govt
But as insurance
@@Aayan_200 ,yes
@@Aayan_200so what? Why is this an issue?
No one has genuinely explained that to the nation.
I am just a lay person child of a jawan under the British army. I fin the change not good for the armed forces 😢
Government should cut down on expenditures done for politicians…tat would provide adequate funds for improving army strength. Saving money by not providing for ppl protecting the country is such a shame
Agree totally 👍
The total expenditure by the government of India on all the polititions of India will not feed all the men of the forces one meal one day of one year.
Believe me, respected Barkhajee, that TOMORROW's WARS would be fought by the pressing of BUTTONS, and not by COMBAT SOLDIERS. Technology reigns overarching, even in fields of battles
What a way to save money. Shame that the law makers find difficult to use their hearts and minds 😢
Wonderful show. One platform for unbiased journalism/ reporting
A beautiful interview conducted Madam Barkha, with the high officers of the Armed forces on a hot topic, 'Agniveer.' The different points of views was given with knowledge, experience, personal views that enlightened us viewers and the outcome of agree to disagree, with courtesy and grace as Gentlemen. The code and ethics of our Armed Forces. May they all, in present services or in retirement be Blessed by the Almighty above.
In my humble ignorant view, the Agniveer scheme should either be excessively tweaked by first having a trial project which ever service of the Armed services, and if unsuccessful, completely scrapped. You don't send a greenhorn to do a professional combat soldiers job. As in this case, cause of death was in action. I don't think a Martyer of the country cannot be differentiated by the status he holds in the Army and dues given to the dependents, should be appropriate. The government in power would definitely look into the same.
My friend who served short service, still couldn't find jobs.
It is nothing but waste of finance...
I am a retired army ,the army have trainning period of 9 months at the list n are send to their units after which it takes atleast 3 to 5 years to be a perfect soldier that too after attending a trainning called young soldier training in the unit for another one month only then a soldier is really ready for battlefield
You cannot simply compare everyone.... different people have different adopting capabilities, again as an army retired knowing the ground condition i say 6 months trained soldier can never be ready as a soldier,I am not against the scheme but please prolong the training period n their tenure.
I'm not from army background, but I can assure you, if that's the training and tech adoption rate of our armed forces then it's really scary and in a decade or two our entire armed forces might be redundant, practically of no use.
The world moves at it's own pace. You can't ask it to slow down so that you can keep up with it, you have to speed up, else fall behind. That's how it works in every vertical, be it software, communications, infra, roads, railways, medicine and what not.
Not sure why some of our ex-servicemen think that the same principle doesn't apply to our armed forces, and having served in the forces, only they know it better than those serving now.
Only man who made sense was General shukla
This is bloody hell. If govt will keep reservation to retired army personnel in every department then can these speakers tell me what will happen to others boys who don't want to join the army.
It is not about cutting corners in Defence Budgets, Barkhajee, it's about doing away with HUGE CONTIGENT LIABILITIES in the future, without real COST-BENEFiT
EFFECTiVENESS
Agnipath is a royal path to FOLLY. Two reasons were adduced during the press conference in June 2022. First making the army younger and second making young men more disciplined. Both are not tenable as I can prove that by using 10th class arithmetic.
Another reason adduced is that the armed forces require modern weapons and equipment using technology. When we consider the impact of high technology it is essential to keep in mind the human factor: the effectiveness of weapon systems and equipment will continue to depend on the men who man and maintain these so-called high-tech systems. Agniveers will not be suitable for their lack of training and experience. Yes pension is an issue which can be resolved by different terms and conditions for civil like trades in the armed forces.These trades are cooks, barbers, waiters, drivers, clerks and storekeepers and so on.
There is a need to carry out a comprehensive study to analyse the whole gamut of HR management of personnel below officers" ranks
including recruitment, training, postings, career progression and exit policies.
I am not even mentioning the socio-economic aspects which are equally important
Major General V K Varma,AVSM (Retd)
why not they ( Minister،army) clear it by exhibiting the agreement between Agniveer and Army۔
Correct
It's published and available. Now, if you want the CDS or the Defence Minister to personally come to your home and explain it to you, I guess you would have to wait to eternity.
😅🤣😂
Because it's already in the public domain. Since the launch of the scheme.
But vested interests are not interested in truth and honest debates.
It's good that RAGA's intervention has given rise to a debate on this flawed scheme. It's true that Raga hadn't done his homework properly. Or he was ill-informed. However it was a blessing in disguise. If he had merely pointed out the drawbacks of the scheme, the government wouldn't have responded. It's his faux pas that drew an immediate response from the HM. Many army officers are opposed to it. It is tantamount to compromising on the security of the country
The last 10 years have seen this government trying to tinker with every constitutional, prestigious and important institution whether it is the judiciary, parliament, RBI, ECI and even the apolitical armed forces. Institutional autonomy, independence and impartiality was one of the reasons that weighed on people's minds when they voted for a coalition government this time. It was the same thinking and thought that had infiltrated Indira Gandhi's dispensation and citizens vehemently opposed this even at the height of her power. We as Indians have learned that cult personalities bring more harm than good to the society, economy,polity and have damaging ramifications for democracy where dissent is muzzled, free speech is a crime and disagreement is no longer acceptable. Policy shocks like demonetization, GST and agnipath schemes are given without due thought, process, deliberation, discussion and without any pilot testing. The ecosystem which includes some sections of the media, super-rich industrialists, intellectuals and active backers of the party, ideology, idea in the public sphere gets the benefits, patronage and encouragement. The majority of the ordinary citizens suffer with grim realities of life with even their fundamental rights being snatched away.
Every time I find Barkha Dutt... the same old timers... rather better...
May Nature always help you.. bless you..I m now going to be 77....been always your fan....
Agniveer for politicians too.
Why for them double pension and all facilities.
Thank god politicians are not called…
Thanks
Please don't play away with countries defence with economic compulsion rather think of enhancing on its capabilities. Is Agneevar going in this direction?
This discussion highlights one of the problems faced by a Nationalist Government - entrenched bureaucracy not interested in change, either good or bad. As revealed in the discussion, when the government asks them to bring their own ideas of efficiency both in skill and return on the buck, they have nothing to offer. When government goes ahead with their own plan, they have all the time and ideas to critique. As to the hurry in implementing Agniveer/Agnipath, for the bureaucracy there is nothing time-bound. We have been watching how much time the Navy, AF are taking in evaluating new Platforms and coming up with divided recommendations. Please don't entertainment these retired, and tired generals - their time has passed.
wonderful debate. keep up the good work. I wish this interview could be translated into multiple regional languages to reach wider audiences. Please make an effort in this direction ...
Logistically not possible
PM asked Olympic players to bring medal to bring glory for INDIA
How many ac gym , swimming pool , BJP rss opened in every 30K Police station area in country
How will connect with mass
Only IPL jumla
Barkha - you are doing a great job by touching the matters that needs introspection and analysis , through Mojo. Congratulations all the best
Very balanced and nice debate where we get to see point of view of both the sides
Question is not if the scheme is right or not, question is how come rahul baba lied in parliament without fact checking. Its a dangerous trend and should be stopped
Money should be spent on military equipment and not on pensions alone . Technology is the buzzword now
30 000 on paper 18000 in hand
Barkhajee, let:s look at the brigher side of the AGNIVEER controversy. These genres of combatants have the choice to call it a day , after serving 4 years, and look for MORE LUCRATIVE CAREER OPTIONS. They are not to serve the armed forces till their 60th Birthday,Barkhjee.
Besides, the armed forces do not run on jingoism alone... economics too is involved.... Permanent soldiers carry heavy economic burdens after after, God forbid, they become martyrs in the line of duty, and, besides, the Government has to bear colossal costs of post-retirement pension benefits to their families, too, which, in real terms, could be greater than GDP of a small country. I think, negativity aside, AGNIVEER is win-win situation for both goverment as well as short-commissioned combatants.
Bunch of old farts discussing the wants of a young nation. Didn't expect any better from our dearest Barkha
Agniveer is weakening the combating capacity of armed forces this will give an edge to Pakistani and Chinese are over hard battled field army of our country. Rural youth has the last choice for joining the army .
Barkhajee, the real issue is really not about cohesion and camaraderie. These hardly matter in highly professionalized environments as in the armed forces.
What do you expect in a population of 1.4 billion and growing? Barkha Jee, you cannot have your cake and eat it too? In the United States,you have PRIVATES who carry no regimental flag and yet work in total cohesion with the regulars
.PROFESSIONALISM should be present in the business of killing other humans in the name of National Security and Defence of the Nation, too, Barkhajee Besides, Agnipath combatants can CALL IT A DAY after serving 4 years and get a handsome lump sum of around 14 lakhs. You do not have till your 60th birthday like regulars, and end up with PTSD, paranoia, dementia and other mental, and physical conditions like the regulars.
WARS ARE NOT FOUGHT BY CHOICES, THEY ARE FORCED UPON COUNTRIES, BARKHA JEE,, and the truth worth of a soldier is known only after he is martyred
I think such schemes are there in many countries. Even America, korea, and many other countries has it, Even their soldiers after getting couple of months training they goes to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc for war. If they dies they dies, but if they lives their Govt gives them whatever they deserve after that they do other things or continue with their education. Whereas our soldier dont go to other countries to serve. It's the same thing. The only thing is we trying yo show other countries that we are so democratic. Isn't it.
Does Army have a choice? Hear what ex Armymen are saying
General Shukla is he a spokesperson of government of India. Can Agniveer take on Chinese. Has gurkha accepted this scheme. Understand gurkhas are joining Chinese army. Is it true
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#सोरोस - सच्चा..
#East_India_Company का बच्चा.
Apply agniveer in all govt jobs
The importance of defence professionals can't be emphasized enough in a country that shares long borders with historical adversaries. However, we will have to go toward a leaner army going forward. If you scrap agniveer, they will start recruiting fewer people. I believe they recruit people based on requirement and I don't think there's any law that the army has to recruit whether or not it needs more manpower. I guess eventually it comes down to the unemployment issue.
To général Yash, sir for your kind information IDF has been defeated by HAMAS, Israël is no référence as a strong , moral & disciplined army, they are genocidal army. Without American & european militry help IDF will surrender. More tha 3500 IDF soldiers have been killed. So please forget IDF !
There is a bit of clarification, Rahul had met the father of the victim who said no such compensation was recieved but now the Army says on Wednesday clarified that the family of Agniveer Ajay Kumar, would receive a compensation of approximately ₹1.65 crore.
Army said family received 98 lac 4 months ago. That father was dumbwit
@@shambhu0280 Do you know better than Rahul? Shame on you.
@@shambhu0280 they forced his father to record a false claim.
These congressi would go to any extent to propagate false propaganda
Rahul is liar and barkha is hypocrite and if some one doesn’t like agniveer thn dont fall for it
What about gallantry awards!
Why nobody talks on short service commission brought buy congress party
Why India is not making 2 years of compulsory military service like many other countries?? 🤔 🤔
Are you kidding me? There's already too much supply of people in India... They have compulsory service because they do not have enough people interested in dangerous fields. That is the exact opposite situation of what we have here.
65% reservation 😂
These people are turning story and lies spread by Gandhi misleading Nation and now they are talking about Agniveer Scheme itself and not discussing about why Rahul lied and what could be done about Rahul
She how this ecosystem that Modi was referring to in his speech works. shame.
Always nagative
It is NOT a new Concept to share awareness among Citizens of Bharat about services of Army and Lifestyle of Army Men
Already there are TWO FAMOUS entities of it as NCC and TERRITORIAL ARMY that are working based on that CONCEPT
AGNIVEER is MORE developed entity of that CONCEPT
Attraction of AGNIVEER is that it provide a SALARY like income and it need ONLY a fixed short time frame so that a participant has FREEDOM to seek for other JOB opportunities in YOUTH time of LIFE itself
Gen more is talking like true soldier, on stupid debate on compensation! His own binlaw died so he knows. Gen shukla has not seen... death of a close one, and if a son, he had not undergone this truth so he cud be a political agent!
I don't approve of the Agnipath scheme.
But I despise Rahul gandhi for spreading lies against the army and defence ministry.
One more comment..10 saal full page ads, multiple ads to one newspaer in a day, and many newspapers of a choice, with Modi all around! Cost of these ads that central govt deptts funded! Just cut it to half, Gen shukla, u will get good money to some extent to fund the shortcomings u hv listed
ARey yaar ek baar rahul gandhi ki thaka thak ke barey mei to bol do, nehru ka land china ko daan diya bol do. National herald ka black money distribute kar do.
The open talk between agniveer and government will solve this issue there is no need to scraping the scheme . The scheme is good . 1 agniveer can change mind of ten or more people on the issue like nationalism,unity , decipline , so many things . Agniveer is directly beneficting society as well as army .
No.. It's not good what would they do after 4 yrs????
@@gracemelroy502 what your base of this answer . Compare records first then you will know which government did or is doing better . According to data and facts in 2012 we had a shortage of army officers there are so many delays in army jobs and in Congress era hazibula terrorists posted pictures of themselves inside from India in the Congress era The Indian army had only 10 -15 day war material . Congress is so corrupt those days they delayed so many army projects and deals because there is no money they had to spend on the army .once the Rahul Gandhi said in Congress government that they are providing worse food to army because of lack of money and when you are talking about agniveer you have to think about it now we have excess of military personnel and now we have material by which we can easily survive more than 100 days in full war like situation. Back then congress was totally corrupt . The one conspiracy is in 2013 the Indian army is totally exhausted by Congress and they tried to taktapalat . Congress's softness towards china was pinning that time to the Indian army . Congress always gave the upper hand to China for money and the support congress also gave our precious land to China and congress had further plans to give north easts arunachal pardesh to China
@@gracemelroy502 see how Rahul Gandhi said that the martyrs not got the compensation money and he posted video to but see what our army official Twitter handle telling us and India Today went to home of that martyr and talked his father and he told that he received money of 98 lakh and remaining money will be shortly going to paid but the mis information was spread now people talking about the money was given after Rahul Gandhi speech blaah blaah all fake news the money was given to them after election and before election two phase of money was already given by the government and other phase amount will shortly going to provide
people's talk, from his experience, he played by match fixing games on his professional under the compromise of rewarding justice, nd develop his economic back up concretely by understanding ways.., he, itself a great stooges of sangis nd dishonest, but acting too smart like neutrality.., isn't true.?.,
Gen Shukla sir is a pro govt policy wala... He didn't deploy or work in the field.
Serving personal say angniver forz ke badmam hai
Rahul Gandhi is Right ❤
Someone replied:
Insurance cover 50 L
Army compensation 48 L
And insurance was done by pappu?
Bloody hell. Change of topic. Rahul lies. Not about scheme BUT COMPENSATION. MODI MADE A MISTAKE IS NOT THE TOPIC FOR THIS DAY. BARKHA FACE 😂 to
Pls apply agniveer to IAS officers.
Yeh sarkaar ego perhi chal rahiheji.
CDS is also like u gen shukla! I know what he is. A political stooge. I m still awaiting a response from him..its a year now. Shamful gen shukla, shame on u! Barkha ji pl dont include shukla type in the debate. U were standing all through the plight of my family, ranjit sagar dam crash. Kindly maintain that. That will really bring a change
Gen shukla, a question, galwan hua..sure a failure due to lack of what all u r talking..but what about the land in ladakh that we gave away to china? Was this decision also taken due to shortcomings as u hv listed? Stop this non sensence. U may be a political man now. But dont mislead. U r alive, but lots hv died, including my army officer son. Barkha ji, gen shah and gen more are precise..rest all talking absurd!
Gave land to china? What are you smoking?
That land was given away since 1947 u fool, by ur favourite leaders.
LOP Rahul Gandhi is Subhash Chandra Bose of his generation and times. Beyond power and pelf.
Rahul must start Shiv Yatra across India, starting with Maharashtra (where he will spend 3 months : July, Aug, Sept, 2024).
Yeah shiv yatra by a Janeu Dhari Bhramin of a Christian and Parsi parents who eats Muttin during Shravan. Bravo for your guts 😂😂
RSS youth join Agniveer to support modi come on come on I have heard from RSS when manmohan ruling time infiltration in border by terrorist I can't stop and Army can't we will send RSS to defend it is heard several times if infiltration was there so please join Agniveer to support modi come on RSS
If manmohan government can't and Army can't come join Agniveer RSS
RSS at that time ready with lathies now training weapon s and salary compensation go go join Agniveer
You need serious help with your head and ignorance
What is your gravitas to comment about RSS? TH-cam activist?
😂😂😂😂😂good point
What is most important and even more dangerous is that when these Agniveer soldiers have finished their four years what will they do ?
Remember many banana republics have such military juntas who join such gangs and cause havoc across those tiny nation ,forget them remember even great countries like Germany Italy Hungary Romania Bulgaria slided into dictatorship because the soldiers who had nothing to do after the war joined such forces ,imagine a huge country like India where these former soldiers out of frustration and anger might form huge groups to lead a revolution than what will India do , whatever stupid schemes modi Shah have done in these past ten years they should scrap this immediately
It always amazing us how these arrogant entitled, selfish army generals and others keep saying ,$ year terms are good and ok?in that case why not do it for the officers ,and these lazy spoilt generals too. Everyone know these, genera’s use the jawans as servants forcing them to work 12-18 hours a day with no breaks doing all the hard work ,shopping for their lazy wife’s etc. etc. let’s see how these losers ch get their tunes if this scheme is forced on the officers and generals too
So this g real who sits in a AC office on his behind .says it’s ok for. Young new recruit ,with only 6 months training fights a Chinese soldier with 5 years of experience. So he thinks a few lakhs or 1 crore is good for the family ,which they get only if the son dies is hunky dory? This is the caste system I play here. In the USA the generals are in the front lines along with their soldiers not sitting on a AC room on their A s S . Saw a pic of one general being carried by Jawans because it was raining. , this was the bharat army general.
All organisations have to be nimble to take on future challenges. I like how fire has been lit under DRDO and other Govt/Public sector companies. Similar techniques are needed to scale to the next level.We cannot rely on old methods to take on new challenges.
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