The Rise and Fall of Kep1er
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.พ. 2024
- The Kep1er members' contracts are coming to an end and it seems strange to see how this once popular group experienced a complete downfall in the recent times.
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the fact still baffles me that them literally debuting with a concept of space and galaxy, and the company didn't bother to give a space theme concept
There is a space concept but more from the perspective of interdimensional and interplanetary travel through doors. if you watch their strange market fancon video it delved a little more obviously into their lore
If you look deeper, all the albums are part of this galaxy/space themed lore
Like their name is legit Kep1er. They could have give them magical songs that are missing lately, but no had to give them generic songs like Giddy or noise like We Fresh. Wa da da and Galileo atleast reference the space team, even tho only thing with Galileo is that it is named Galileo. We could have had something like Loona Sattelite.
@@vixxexo6855The fact that fans have better ideas for the group than the agency just says it. It seems to me they were never interested in Kep1er as mnet could not rig the lineup because of police. Like they legit don't care about this group, they had so many ways to boost up their popularity. I just feel bad for the members, at the end of day it's them whose dreams and hard work were ruined.
Yeah @@chaehfair
Poor Yujin. She left a wasted group only to be put back into another wasted group.
Yeah That Hurts The Most When I Love CLC. I Was Rooting For Her In Kepler The Whole Time Didn’t Know It Was A Temporary Group Like Zero. I Don’t Think This Is A Good Career Path For Yujin When She Keeps Getting Screwed Over And Over Again From Companies. She Really Works Hard For Idol Dream The Results Shows On Her Performances It’s Not Right
I think Yujin atleast earns more money as Kep1er has higher album sales then CLC.
tbh i hope she just debuts as soloist. she always gets put in groups with some kind of issue (read : agency). maybe as solo it would be better for her? She is talented enough to go solo
@@maarshiexcryxx Being a soloist do not fit to everyone. It's beneficial for Main Vocalists, while vocalists look for different pahts. Choi Yujin is refered as vocalist and dancer, and in her profile also actress. Probably will be her alternative.
@@maarshiexcryxxShe is not soloist/main vocalist material imo. Even some main vocalist do solo doesnt do well. ._.
The problem is really the agencie. No concept, no style, no good music, no budget, nothing. It's sad since all the girls are really talented but for a temporary group, having a fix concept and a short storyline is more efficient in order to creating a discography that would resonate throughout the years after the disband. It's more memorable and just allow the girl to grow with the concept and to distinct each other.
Edit : yep I made a mistake : title tracks are not that good, but b side are (sorry MVSK 😭)
Kep1er does have great music.. and the concept changing is part of their lore which i think should be studied and promoted more
I think their music is good just their title track are so bad
Their music is good , the changing concept is their lore every comeback is a new planet they visit
They do have a concept tho? Interdimensional travel through doors? like you can see the door imagery in every CB and each era is a diff planet/world they are going through
@@AusEvie okay I didn't know... But it's still too confusing imo
this is so sad… i remember watching girls planet 999 and being so excited for their debut but it was so sad to see their popularity dropping after their first few months..ㅜㅜ
These agencies are SO incompetent. They have no idea how to manage a brand or IP.
So little music, barely there publicity, just flash, then nothing.
I'm feeling so bad for them they didn't got a great company 😢
At least its better than Cube.
@@DreamyCheshire-up9rfWhen you start comparing something to Cube, thats how you know they're beyond terrible.
True, they have great potential
Their company sucks
Would be great if they will stay as a group and change company, but that would have low chance of happening
I think dayeon might go back to acting since she's from jellyfish I think and most of their idols become actor
Xiaoting might go back to China
Other member probably debut in another group and chaehyun might go solo
Wakeone isn't promoting them correctly.
Even if they were the scene/market is very saturated with big groups. I feel like there were simply no space for Kep1er to grow. It's unfortunate because I definitely prefer them over other current big girl groups. Kep1er didn't get what they deserved, but the show business is not about fairness...
Poor Yeseo, first she is mistaken for Xiaoting by this youtuber, then this youtuber ignores all of her experience and says Yujin is the only experienced one
Maybe because CLC Yujin is more popular than Yeseo before Kepler was formed.
Yeseo is a actress for a little bit as well
Kepler was their guinepig, to test if the public is ready for them beyond produce scandal, so i think it's a win for the company
Yeah definitely. Look at ZB1 they're doing better than Kep1er bc the company is doing well with their promotions, music, management, etc. I hope the girls will be able to debut in groups or as soloists and their companies take care of them better than WakeOne did. 😊
I think that Kepler was only an experiment, unfortunately 😞
i love kep1er, they are one of my favorites. but kep1er was a disaster waiting to happen since girls planet. the delusions got to a lot of keplians heads real fast. they always had this "bad things are happening!" mindset. they ONLY supported kep1er when it benefited their bias and it was so toxic. yeah, wakeone was the absolutely worst for kep1er's entire career but some things were definitely taken too far. i'm genuinely excited for them to disband. i do fear they are going to have the post-ioi popularity because of wakeone's failure to manage kep1er, but i feel like disbandment is the best for all of them to get away from wakeone and the solo fans.
There was never a rise, they were popular because of the survival show that bought them the initial boost but as a group they were never leading
I was going to say, what rise?
The problem they had is that they're yet another group from a survival show now that people mostly stopped caring about the 7th or 8th version of the same show. It's not the fault of the girls but their chance at success was small to begin with.
@@Cubeforc3 probably because they weren't able to rig this one. They didn't get the members they wanted and couldn't turn Bahhiyeh into another Wonyoung plus the competition was all time high for the 4th gen GG + the song choices weren't the best. Overall a group everyone will forget and no one will miss.
came here to say this 😂😂😅
wakeone really doesn't deserve kep1er's talented members. i want zb1 to also be liberated by this terrible agency.
Watched Girls 999 while it was airing, had so much expectation from this group but their songs were not at par with the newer groups. Company indeed destroyed their potential
I mean their Medusa(pre-debut song)was on repeat for me but their songs after debuting? Um…none. I was expecting something like Aespa’s songs since their theme is kinda outer space themed.
But some of their b sides were good. It was just not meant to be. Still not getting over them being an international gg w/ less international members than Twice.
I feel that Kep1er is a powerful group to all kep1ian . i will always be a true kep1ian. Love kep1er forever
7:15 you cannot say that none of the members except Yujin had experience when Yeseo is right there
Maybe because CLC Yujin was more popular than Yeseo before Kepler was formed. Really, how many Keplian knew Yeseo before Kepler ?
I don't expect every single Keplian to know, but I am expecting a news channel to not state false information.@@DreamyCheshire-up9rf
@@DreamyCheshire-up9rfbut the point is ye was on a group before
@@zimzalabimdenickimenajzala2003 What was the group ?
@@DreamyCheshire-up9rf Yeseo debuted in 2010 in CutieL, 2014 in Priti, 2019 in Busters. Not counting 6 Movies,16 K-dramas, 2 Web-Dramas, and appearing on several variety shows along the years. 2nd Generation Prodigy! Girl has been earning a living since she was 4. Boss Baby Yeseo, The One and Only Maknae/Sunbae in K-Pop!!!! God Yeseo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a bad move to have them compete against WJSN, Hyolin and Loona everyone on that show where veteran idols
It's WAKEONE for not making Kep1er got to the top, it's mosty because they want to focus on ZB1 more and they NEVER promote them well.
honestly, even before Zb1 was formed, Wakeone didn't do much to promote them :/ poor girls
@@cinna.momo.nroll_ Poor them, the deserve better! They wasted thier talent!
@@kierraturpin3363 yeah totally
Sry but they aren’t even doing much for zb1 too but yeah compare to kep1 it little better but if compared to other new boy group are promoting, wk1 doing nothing with less & no creativity with tiktok and less social platform use, they aren’t trying to gain more fans with content, they have scripted just now have a own program which also is just min video, no bts dance performance or own award journey like other bg for award show, they have no staff, not promoting member properly & even outfit are repeated like kep1, they have bbl for fb were they are real. But yeah wk1 is stupid and incompetent that company doesn’t know anything about kppp business & kep1 deserve better I don’t know but about kep1 but I lknow xioting, bahi & Hikaru & as a outsider I recently knew about center & that she a good vocalist, bh there song aren’t giving but they are very synchronised group. I wish them best in future and success
@@herseykcameron7013 Same they reallu deserve better than this
Kep1er was massively failed by their company and also by Mnet. Both parties should have worked together to at least create a rough blueprint of the path they planned to take Kep1er and when the group was formed, it was like no one knew what to do with them once they debuted. Kep1er was also failed by the fans. I just have to say it. There is so much toxicity in this one fandom (and I say this as a Kep1ian myself) that the fighting is basically nonstop. One of the biggest components that added to their lack of success was the fact that they went on Queendom and they shouldn't have even been considered given how new they were and that they were on a temporary contract. That was such a misstep. There are so many more components that go into why they lost their traction so soon in their career and it just makes me so angry for them. I love them and I really hope they find success after this group. I would have loved for them to stay together but not at this high of a cost.
In addition to lacking strategic planning, MNET/Wakeone miscalculated music trends. Many of Kep1er's songs were perfectly fine, but didn't fit the current musical preferences.
And I agree on the critique of the fandom - sometimes toxic fans made it difficult for outsiders to WANT to get involved with Kep1er.
Shut up
can i just say, the fans really shot themselves in the foot since the finale of gp999. and i'm not talking about the final line up. i'm talking about the attitude fans had towards the group. obviously people are going to be put off by a group that even fans are saying "the line up is not good!" "the members except one isn't talented!" or "i'm not stanning this group i only like 3 girls in the line up" of course anyone coming into the fandom without knowing the show would take this as fact because the group fans are the ones saying it. and as the group continued it was filled with "the songs are bad, the group is bad, everything is bad" and everyone is going to follow along. and even for bahiyyih, keplians kept saying "she doesn't deserve to be here!" and then get shocked when kpop fans repeat those same words even today as if they were not the ones to start the narrative. the fans overall were just the worst group of people kep1er could have had.
It started with the show ngl, they were so fixated on the drama that actual talent got overshadowed. Then when they debuted they had a decent song and just had no clear direction. The company doesn’t care about the members they just care about throwing music out even if it sucks and makes no sense…like Galileo
Kep1er are talented minus one nepo baby, however I feel the members clash too much. Like there is not a concept that will fit every member.
@@vixxexo6855 yeah the group was made with girls that would fit diff concepts
@@vixxexo6855 what nepo baby
I liked Galileo.
Galileo make sense concept wise.
as a kep1ian since pre-debut, it is yes very sad to see the company waste the girls potential. not to mention the mistreatment the girls have been receiving since the final lineup was announced on gp999 finale. the girls deserve nothing but the best and it is sad to see the company completely ignore the hate.. and i cant believe they're trying to get the girls to renew the contract? what are they up to.. if you try to get the girls to stay longer then you have to offer something better, like what your rookie group gets. the hate is not stopping and wont stop till the company takes action which unfortunately wont be happening, considering how they have treated kep1er for the last 2 years! and haters say it is the girls fault, when they know nothing. they don't know how Yeseo left busters and the company to join girls planet after being stalked for years (wake1 still not doing anything, the saesang is still active), they don't know the countless times ALL members have been hospitalized during promotions. it's not a kep1er comeback without girls visiting the hospital or leaving in the middle of a fansign. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE BEG FOR WAKEONE TO TAKE ACTION, TO RESPONSE TO OUR REQUESTS, TO TREAT THE GIRLS LIKE HUMANS! to stop being misogynistic. as the girls contract is coming to an end, i tend to look back at all the things they went trough to this moment to the point where even Mashiro, who cried during queendom 2 due to being worried about the members health, was laughing about fainting during a fansign and the girls clearly being exhausted during practice. yes, we love to see the girls on stage and it's great they get to meet kep1ians before it ends. but it's not okay when the girls lifes are basically on edge for non-stop working and practicing, going from event to another, taking flights from country to another. and the company, on top of all, can not even do the bare minimum to make these last moments enjoyable for everyone, kep1er and kep1ians. not updating us about Youngeun's health during the time her father passed away and recently she didn't attend Yeseo's graduation, she had to update kep1ians herself trough bubble because the company stayed silent. The girls going to health check ups more than what is normal and telling us about it themselfs instead of the company.
this is getting sick and exhausting for both kep1er and kep1ians and we are more than happy to see the girls finally be free from this company. of course it is something to be sad about, you see our girls are like family, they have known each other for years..
i also think it's funny when haters can't come up with anything else to diss kep1er/kep1ians about expect "they are disbanding in july btw!" "worry about your favorites disbanding soon!" i would be more worried if the girls had to continue being under that company for longer than it is set to.
also with the kep1er concept, it is stupid people make fun of it or say "it is not making sense" when it is. the girls represent the 9 planets and going trough different styles is part of their lore
Mf rly be writing a whole essay
@@urhypeboy 🤷🏼♀️
Ain't nobody reading this entire shit😂
@@Mandydmenace I did lol 😭 but OP has got a point though...and I just feel sooo sad for the girls. I'm not even sure if they managed to bag wins during music shows (except for wa da da promotions though). And the fact that Xiaoting even mentioned during one of the vlogs for Lovestruck album that she was disappointed because of the lack of promotion that they got for the said album, says a lot about wakeone 😞
@@Mandydmenace so u know all the 135 ppl who liked my comment?
It crazy since the last major 5 GGs for 4th gen, Newjeans, IVE, and Le Sserafim popped off immediately because they knew the concepts and chores worked for them, NMIXX struggled at first, but eventually found their footing and are gaining popularity, and Kep1er was always the one out of peoples minds, even though the songs themselves were good
Yeah also when people again started to like their songs you know title track play major role in attracting the fans no matter how good the b sides are but in 2023 Galelio disaster was really a thing😅
More like kakao and hybe payoIa and mediaplay
"the song themselves were good" Me when I'm deaf
The thing is, people also bash them for switching concepts. WAKEONE did a terrible job telling everyone that switching things up was their concept - as their concept is about planets and their diffrent environments. WAKEONE failed to even make a sliver of that lore until the Kep1er's strange market promo video.
Yeah they could have done something about that with the website they just ditched for no reason
Second! This is really sad! I will miss Kep1er 😢
I'm so happy that I had the opportunity to see them live. I'll miss them 💜
their first comeback “up!” was so good!! after that, it fell off😭
I agree, the first time i saw we fresh i’m like “ugh what song is this, very noisy” i’m stop stanning them after so sad that they didnt get good treatment from the company when the members are very talented
Try "straight Line" its their latest comeback, really amazing song, feels like MVSK and LVLY
i’m a huge kep1ian, they’re one of my ult groups. i have every single of their albums and watched every single video.
i’m so sad that wake1 isn’t providing good title tracks, a decent budget, a stable concept and etc. the thing is that their title tracks aren’t half bad but they just don’t stand out (imo). was definitely something but i don’t think it was as bad as people stated it to be, it was just even weaker than their other already weak title tracks. MVSK could’ve easily been the title track for their debut album which would’ve definitely boosted a decent amount of their popularity or respect at least. Up can’t be replaced as it’s their most popular song and many people say “no other group can perform such a good summer song” (their words not mine). Downtown could’ve replaced We Fresh. Giddy fits lovestruck the most but Back to the City provides more equal line distribution (to prevent people from complaining). I don’t think there’s any song in Magic Hour that could replace Galileo and their b-sides are good as well.
I never called myself a kep1ian but I listened to all their songs as they came out and I remember always being surprised. I especially liked the album Doublast. Their music was really not bad. But there was no hype, barely any promotions, I rarely heard their songs on shops or anywhere. It’s like nobody took the group seriously.
Kep1er deserves so much better. The Kpop industry is so Saturated right now with girl groups it’s hard for ANY group to stand out. The girls haven’t even had a proper CF! Im not saying they should work anymore than they already do but some publicity would’ve helped them a great deal.
I really hope they will redebut in good agencies after disbandement :'(
Kep1er has an EXCELLENT dance line and a good rap line but it doesn't show in their songs
Hikaru, Dayeon, Xiaoting and Youngeun fit a way stronger concept, even the others could shine more in this
But their agency is wasting everything: concept, budget, line distribution, music quality...
Most probably they will end up redebuting in smaller companies, and some might turn into acting or content creation or stuffs.. to redebut in big companies either u need to have a massive fandom(eg like sakura/wonyoung etc...) or very talented & skilled
@@safasathar1019 yes I know, but I think Hikaru, Dayeon and Youngeun are true all rounders and deserve a real chance
Hikaru I heard is most likely going to XG, Mashiro and Yeseo will go to Limelight. As for the others I don't know if they do continue, hope not, they will have to be a six member group. It could give them the chance to shine more that they are a slightly smaller group but I am just trying to be positive.
@@TheRatt96 hikaru is not joining xg
@@TheRatt96 Hikaru is going back to XGALX, the company, not XG, the group.
4:24 the member on the left is Yeseo, not Xiaoting
Wake One is known for mismanagement of groups, I think one of the biggest example of this is their boy group TO1
Their biggest mistake was not making MVSK their title debut and then following up with the same concept. Totally would’ve been a completely different story. It was a perfect mixture of mature and edgy and hyper punk
that would have been a great idea, but it's a shame that they are part of w1 that can't get anything right about them (and don't even make an effort to make things happen...)
I hope the UNIS will not end like kep1er
It's kinda sad that one of my favorite group suffer again in poor management 😢
unis will be worse. Imagine a very young member😂
@@danissegomez7953 indeed, i also imagine that they'll gonna be a puppet but still hoping for a good management, good songs and healthy fandom especially for me, it doesn't matter what age idols or fans have as long as they enjoy music, having respect and manners.
They don't have company privilege but they have strong Filipino fanbase who are good in votings. They are also good in streaming. If they will buy albums the group won't flop. Too much solo stans will drag the group. They only support two members in votings. Universe ticket also have better songs than GP999. It's a good sign. Choosing a right center also affects the group.
@@danissegomez7953That very young member is the most popular in SK, achieved more than any Kep1er members in SK. Kep1er flopped because they aren't popular in SK. So she won't be the reason the group will flop. In fact they can get clout from her because of her resemblance to Wonyoung and her vocals who went viral.
@@kath4902Filipino don't buy shit. They only stream so yeah there is high chance this group is destined to flop.
I was very disappointed by the way they were managed. I remember they were supposed to have more of a sci-fi type concept, but they haven’t stuck with that concept and they seemed to have bounced around a lot. It seems like the group hasn’t found their sound. It’s very unfortunate what’s happened to Kep1er, all these girls are talented and deserved to have a successful career. I doubt that they’ll extend their contract, and just end up disbanding. I’m curious to see what happens if that happens, what will happen with the members? Will some choose to go solo, will some join already existing groups, or will some go on another survival show?
That’s YESEO, not Xiaoting. 4:24
I honestly really like Kep1er, they have so much potential❤
It breaks my heart to see them being mismanaged by their company💔
have you listened to the mini albums love struck or magic hour? back to the city? Love on Lock? TAPE? Galileo? both those mini albums are so good ❤
They should rename their company to Wasteone, this project did nothing but waste everyone’s time and youth
Its important to keep in mind that while their popularity in Korea is lower they are overwhelmingly the top 4th gen girl. group in Japan popularity wise with them constantly winning public polls on the topic. Similarly kep1ers japanese concepts seem to have been managed better as I believe sony is in charge rather than wakeone.
I do you do was also so awesome, plus the line distribution was equal. I loved that era.
Top 3 in Japan are Le Sseraphim, Ive, and New Jeans.
@@Submission_Fighter nope
@@Submission_FighterKep1er tops all of them in Japan, Le Ssersfim is close tho.
@@Submission_Fighterwell no kep1er are more popular than all 3 in japan but ssera does come close
The fact that a lot of people forgot that kepler even existed says a lot.
It only says they now got a stable and loyal fanbase that were sticking with them from the start. The casual listeners left, and its great, because they were mostly the ones making videos just like this one already at Kep1ers debut and agreeing to this narrative. Funny how Kep1er still getting wins and selling more than 95% of groups when people forgot about them.. LOL
Seriously, their treatment of Bahiyyih was their biggest shot in their own foot. It wasn’t nepotism or Kai that got her in the group. It was the fact that fans were hyper aware MNet was editing the trainees to highlight the trainees they wanted to debut, ignoring the ones they didn’t want, and actively evil editing the ones that did too well but they didn’t want (cai bing or fu yaning for example).
Bahiyyih was smart. She knew they were just using her for her brother because it was obvious when they focused on it so much in her first stage, and then even asked her to call him for advice and film it. She knew she was getting hate when she was announced. And she knew MNet didn’t truly want her. So she kept her head down, didn’t go for big roles that she might make mistakes it, where she might get hated by the public even more than she already was, and she didn’t give MNet any moment to evil edit her. because they would have if they could. And fans NOTICED that.
We realized MNet was just using her to bring in international fans. We heard of the hate she got even before the show when she was just announced. A lot of people organically because curious of her, and when she was obviously ignored and intentionally erased in the show by mnet it solidified her fanbase even more, because now she was officially the underdog and survival show fans always love the underdogs. Like ffs during the final episode every girl read letters from home but only she was edited out. She’s shown she’s a funny and kind girl and many trainees had great things to say about how she helped lead, but we never saw any of it right? Fans knew something fishy was going on.
So people who were curious why she was being hated or why she was being ignored checked out her fancams. She was great! A rookie trainee, for sure, but she had a good voice and good dancing. So a lot of her fans are organic.
Even if you disagree with that, if someone has dedicated 3 years (since gp999) to supporting an idol, they’ve dedicated their time and money to them for this long, they’ve turned most of their attention to this one idol for 3 whole years, then it doesn’t matter who they were a fan of first. At this point in time, her fans are her fans no matter who else they like. It’s all just excuses to discredit her.
So WakeOne has this girl who would’ve won first if based off of total vote going into debut, extremely popular abroad (where the majority of viewers for gp999 came from), while the public is shocked because she was edited out so much that casual viewers didn’t even know she existed. And what does WakeOne do? Piss off her fans by hiding her as much as possible, and solidify her image of “unworthy” to the public.
What they should’ve done is what they did with Ricky in ZB1. He was also the wild card nobody expected in BP999 and their management team was smart because they made sure not to erase him in the MVs and gave him key parts that showcased his talent, while not actually giving him a ton of lines.
Bahiyyih proved in GP999 in Fiesta she has great vocals. The teams image and reputation matters more than who can technically sing a line better. They should’ve given her better lines to refute the “unworthy” image her haters were trying to stick on her.
They should’ve also announced legal action against antis, like they did for ZB1’s Jiwoong. There was a fcking GOVERNMENT petition to kick Bahiyyih out and the company did absolutely nothing. Her own family was begging antis to stop. And WakeOne never did a single thing to stop it.
They shouldn’t have forced her into using her last name because it only brings her more hate, therefore the group gets more hate, and it also looks REALLY fugly on official merch and albums. Every other member, even Yujin when there’s like 5 yujins in K-pop and using her last name could tie her to CLCs popularity, doesn’t use her last name.
They should’ve started showing Bahiyyih more towards the end of GP999 once they saw that she was getting enough votes to be in the final lineup. They should’ve realized they didn’t have any control over it so they needed to get a head start on allowing casual viewers to like the final lineup. They created an entire redemption arc for Sohye in PD101 even though she was leagues more untalented than Bahiyyih. They should’ve shown her helping lead her groups. They should’ve shown her in the practice rooms. But instead they dug their heels in and ignored her harder because they absolutely did NOT want her. And it caused her to have a massive hate train against her.
They should have BEEN letting these girls release their vocal covers from day one. They should’ve had a concept that suited them better instead of using a manufactured concept that was obviously planned out way before the final lineup was announced. They should’ve never sent them to queendom and wasted months and ruined the girls confidence and enshrine them as the poor rookies of the show. They should’ve had a comeback instead that focused more on the MVSK sound that was so well received during debut. They should’ve never released We Fresh because it was OBVIOUS people didn’t like that sound anymore but WakeOne looked at WDD’s numbers (not its actual reception by the public) and wanted to replicate those numbers so they tried to make a similar song that ended up being so much less memorable because of how grating it was to the ears.
Even outside the Kep1er fandom, Back to the City is one of the few uncontested favorites by nearly everyone. Why? It’s fair to all the girls, it has a fresh sound, good choreography, had great styling, a story to the lyrics, everything. And what did WakeOne do with that information? Release fcking Galileo. Kep1ers hardcore fans will defend it until they die “well Yeseo ate Chaehyun and one of them disappeared into a painting, it has a storyline!” No.
It’s a watered down cutesy concept that again shoved half the members into the background and highlighted the ones who are highlighted every time, with a sound like it’s from 2014. The only improvement was that they highlighted Xiaoting more and seemed to get over their aversion to using her popularity. But that made the fandom even more intolerable because now Xiaotings solo stans are using it as a “gotcha this is why our fave is better than yours” against Bahiyyih’s fans (the two most popular members so ofc these two groups fight the most bc they see each other as competition) so Bahiyyih’s fans start dragging Xiaoting and so Xiaotings fans drag Bahiyyih even more and on and on and on and omfg it’s just TIRING.
Kep1er is like a never ending internal war raged between solo stans, with the worst breed of OT8s, occasionally coming in to do their monthly drag of Bahiyyih, causing her fans to get whipped into a frenzy and start attacking other members.
All of this is why Kep1er ended the way they did. WakeOne shot themselves in the foot because they couldn’t get over not having the lineup they wanted, and then refused to maintain the girls images and protect them, and refused to do anything about the internal fan issues. They refused to let the girls show their individual talents until it was too late and they forced them into a cookie cutter concept that didn’t fit them and that they publicly didn’t like.
They refused to listen to fans input or study which songs the fandom liked the best so they could follow the trends. They were just incompetent to an unbelievable level and they wasted 9 talented girls early careers in the process. I really do wish them all the best in the future because after the shitshow that was wakeones management of Kep1er, they deserve it.
I remember a rumor that spread during GP999. They said MNET is considering Hiyyih to be the center, don't believe on how good they will portray someone (Dayeon angle edit), Hiyyih will have redemption arc (Ice-cream hand sign), Xiationg is the only chinese member they want (evil edit of Cai bing), they want to test if people want Hikaru (evil edit No excuse).
This rumor from allegedly MNET staff, came out before the airing of Cai bing-Dayeon episode. How would an ordinary people know.
May be when Wakeone saw that people were petitioning her to be out of the group, Wakeone decided to give her this kind of treatment.
@@kath4902 I mean they never at all acted like that during GP999 though. Watch the last 4 episodes of GP999 and it’s like playing “spot the Hiyyih” or “where’s Waldo? Hiyyih ver.” It’s obvious they didn’t want her in the group.
Apparently it was confirmed that for Shoot! Hiyyih was lead vocal, they never showed how she got that role, and then producers of the song liked her voice so much they gave her more lines on top of the lead vocal lines, and that was never shown either. The only thing they showed was that group struggling or Hiyyih giving Yujin a hot pack. Other contestants had said in the early show she helped lead a few groups and she had a super kind and funny personality. None of that was ever shown.
All the petitioning came after the fact. And it was Mnets own fault there was petitioning. The number one insult against her is “well she didn’t show anything in GP999 so her fans couldn’t have liked her for just herself so it must be nEpOtIsM!!!” In reality, if MNet had just shown her without any bias and hadn’t tried to manipulate screen time to get who they wanted, that excuse would be null and void. And then there wouldn’t have been petitions or antis begging for her removal.
the problem is not bahoho's treatment but her entire existence. she has many solo fans but shes the reason many fans didnt want to stan the group with a nepo horse in it
@@freeyoutube-hr8sf glad to see how you really feel. WaDaDa broke many records upon its release, and her fancams are consistently the most viewed in the group. Along with the fact that she consistently gets the most social media interaction across any social media, top 3 most interactions if Korean and Chinese social media is included. so obviously her being in the group wasn’t a problem then for charting or album sales or interactions or even now.
And considering 95% of her fans started out as OT9s but turned into solo stans after WaDaDa era - if WakeOne had treated her right and she wasn’t bullied/ostracized/excluded by the rest of the fandom, she wouldnt have so many solo stans.
I know you’re a bitter troll and aren’t going to listen to anything I have to say because you hate her for everything you perceive her to be so this is a bit pointless but I wouldn’t want regular people thinking you were anywhere even close to correct.
Have a nice day and please get some therapy for your anger problem and bullying issues.
@@freeyoutube-hr8sf also, you seem to hate Dayeon and Bahiyyih both - so I have to assume you’re either a solo stan of one of the members and see them as competition to your favorite. OR your fav contestant didn’t make it 3 years ago. In whichever case, I hope you get over whatever is making you so sick in the head and move on to find happiness in your real life so that you never feel the need to bully celebrities online while hiding behind the internet again.
Guys they only have a couple of months left, they’re gonna drop a full album which will have good music as usual so let’s support them for their last comeback please and make them feel loved
*not a fan of them but count me in*
The last line of the video really hits home
"... maybe its best for the members to go their separate ways"
Video well done Kookielit. It was informative, captured the true problems that has plagued Kepler since its debut and presented as objectively as possible
i used to be a pretty avid kep1er stan (gp999-end of we fresh era) and their biggest enemy and cause of downfall is and will always be wakeone. the predebut hype WAS there, both domestically and internationally. even wdd, despite not being public friendly, was a success.
and then they sent kep1er to queendom, and it all fell apart from there. no promotions as a group, no clear concept, barely utilizing their members and two subpar songs later, the group is already ending.
there was no reason for this to happen-all of the members always targeted a specific demographic (ie chaehyun is very popular domestically and hiyyih is popular internationally) but they never did much to capitalize on their individual popularity, which just left the group stagnant.
the sad fact is that kep1er was just an experiment-a way to test the waters after the produce scandals. when mnet and wakeone saw that this formula was still successful, they dumped all their resources into replicating it but with other groups, and with obvious consideration to their concept and content.
it’s a shame. under any other company, they would’ve succeeded, but here we are :/
That was Yeseo in the thumbnail you showed next to Bahiyyih but you named her as Xaoting at 4:24
Wakeone has destroyed the potential of Kep1er, due to the great popularity of ZB1 they are still holding out but almost against the company's wishes. And when they finish with Kep1er, Wakeone will have the next group of Iland2 to do the same to them...
there were many problems ever since the lineup announcement idk what more to say but it’s really just a mix of company mismanagement, undefined concept, lineup and inner fandom drama and like other groups especially survival show groups have that same problems but they’re more evident in kep1er.
I watched girls planet and I knew these girls are all very talented, it’s just their company didn’t promote them well. It will be sad to see them disband later this year but I’m excited to see what all these girls get up to
Up! Was their best song
Yeah, this group was such a waste. All these girls are SOOO talented. (I voted for many) They have plenty of potential... Too bad they didn't take advantage of them. 😢
I feel bad for them imagine winning a survlval show and not being rewarded despite your bard work
karma for allowing a nepofreak in the cast
@@yummyeon who? because i genuinely don't know the members
@@celestia.. im taling about the ugly ass horse with famous brother + no wonder why, they're floppies and they will stay flops
@@celestia.. Bahiyhh or something but i think she is a very talented and kind girl
The company really push the "youthful & fresh" concept which doesn't really suit them in my opinion. I think they suit a more mature concept, more like their mvsk song. And please stop with the favouritism, they gave so much more line to dayeon and zero to nothing to hiyyih. Like what 😅
Give more line to dayeon than Bahiyyih as they should, she is way more talented than her and her fanbase actually spend money on the group contrary to hiyyihlight who give zero support.
I feel like their company failed them and it upsets me to see a group debut then disband too quickly because they are poorly promoted or mistreated like they were garbage. I hope Wake One later regrets what they did to Kep1er. I’m gonna miss them :(
Edit: I also feel like the members are not going to renew their contracts, either. I will NEVER forgive you, Wake One
I JUST WANT MY GIRLS, MASHIRO & YESEO OUT OF THIS SHIT & START DEBUT WITH THEIR COMPANY PLS!!!
Funny, i think kep1ers recent albums have been great, as well as their variety content. But i have no idea if wakeone or mnet deems kep1er successful, even though their title tracks get decent-to-respectable views. They also leverage kep1er a lot in japan, where they seem to be able to do stadium/dome shows.
Elz7up had great potential as well, but they didnt even get a great single like kep1er did. As such, when you compare what they have accomplished with kep1er in comparison, i truly believe mnet is not going to do better than kep1er, who still have massive potential.
Mnet put more effort into puzzle studios than elz7ups debut. Which means they will create another gg and wont know what to do with their hype either.
They had soooo much potential with such a unique concept 😢 A space themed kpop group could've been really big.
I hate wake one because of this and they mistreated of TOO/TO1 as well. TOO/TO1 was ult group next to nct, stray kids, ateez and svt and now the waste of time, money and TALENT lost because of their company.
6:15 theres no way you showed Dreamcatcher when you mentioned rookie groups.
i cheered so much for the girls during gp999 and i still try to keep tabs on their comebacks but ever since they forced them into queendom right after debut i lost all interest in stanning. that move itself made me realize the company did not care about this group succeeding
The only major issue are the songs/titles.
Izone had a couple of timeless songs. People fell inlove with their musical concept.
Kepler seemed like they release chaotic songs, which often times relied on similar gimmicks.
Though I will cherish their 2nd album, with the angelic bside "La Voyage".
P.S. I did like Galileo, honestly more than all other titles XD
Chaotic? Did you listen to the b-sides? Especially of Lovestruck???
The only good song of izone are la vie en rose. The rest of their discography is trash and overrated.
talking on titles@@xanmion
There title tracks might not be the best but their b sides are top tier
Who are you most excited about after the disbandment? I’m awaiting Xiaoting along with Mashiro and Yeseo (as far as i remember these two are in the same company). These three are my bias so far, and i’m curious about Bahiyyih. I’m sure many have their eyes on her.
They need good songs, good mvs, good concept
what songs don’t you like from their two recent albums
They needed better promotion. It doesn't matter how good your song is if it's not being promoted properly
this is a little over the top if you ask me while I agree that yes their popularity has gone down a little recently you have to remember that their first 3 albums were certified platinum and the song Wa Da Da was aswell on top of that they are very popular in Japan the Japanese songs they've released have all charted in the top 3 and the company at least does know that since they're about to go on their second tour in Japan
That doesn't fit the narrative of this channel. All it does is drag down idols.
Yeah, they had issues with losing fans but the first 3 albums were a good start, I know though that a lot of fans hated We fresh and was some fans last straw. I do prefer their Japanese releases so much more, great concepts, line distributions are great. Lovestruck is only a bit less in sales than the other three but Magic hour was not great for fans. I can't wait for their next Japanese release, "Straight Line" is the song title I am pretty sure.
i just hope all the ladies remain friends and support each other in their future endeavors.
So useful ❤thanks
their downfall was their "fandom" the only good thing that can come for them now is that their fans never have to interact with each other again
The downfall was the addition of bahiyyih because ot her fanbase and negative appeal as an idol.
Kep1er fandom is not the problem, hiyyihlight are the problem.
praying for this not to happen to unis specially the solo stan point
It’s disgusting how netizens treated Hiyyih. She competed on the show and worked hard to earn her place in the group just like every other member.
Please be fr. She had barely any screentime and did not stand out whatsoever. She got in mainly because of who she was related to. Not complaining tho - she has proven herself and continues to be one of the few in Kep1er with actual star quality.
@@user-kt2cr5qi3hwhat star quality????? She has the least star quality out of everyone in kep1er
@@user-kt2cr5qi3hstar quality how?
She did not earn her place lol
Their appearance in Queendom genuinely shocked me. There alongside groups like Brave Girls who were on their last legs, WJSN who I believe everyone thought was already dead, and VIVIZ trying to rise from the ashes of GFriend and here's a brand new group just formed. Babies, children, tiny darlings... what are you doing here?!
let’s give their last comeback/album more support at least a music show trophy before they disband
Dont care about the music too much. Love the members, especially Yujin, Mashiro, Yeseo and Hikaru.
I like Kep1er, they have really good bside songs it's just the company... I love all the girls I might not be a regular watcher of the survival show but I knew about it. I just hope whatever they decide it's best for them.
And if anything keep listening to their songs they really have good songs and my personal favorite is tropical light(it's a unit song), back to the city and dreams.
Hiyyih, you will always be famous and talented. I can't wait to see more of you in the future. Fighting!
She will always be a nepo baby
im a casual listener and honestly up! was their best tt and a really good song/concept, i wish they would have exploited the cute fresh joyful concept more, specially because it's not a concept that's being rlly explored by 4th gen (even tho it was popular in 3rd gen, see red velvet) and it would definitely have made them stand out
it is indeed sad that they’re company failed them in a way. but the girls have amazing talents and they will definitely be back soon after they disband. they will get their flowers, i see it in the future.
The One in the Thumbnail was Yeseo, Not Xiaoting...
It’s very obvious it’s because Korea hated mnet during girls planet 999 right after the produce scandal. That’s literally the reason. Also a lot of xenophobia towards C group but that didn’t really affect them that much.
Kep1er had so much potential. Too bad their shitty agency wasted it all-
if you think about it, zerobaseone was the final nail in the coffin for this group. with other girl groups debuting with a bigger fanbase at that time in 2021-2023. kepler just felt like it was lacking a sense of direction. the group actually was doing fine in their first year and momentum was steady, but as more and more girl groups debuted their momentum collapsed. eventually leaving them without much growth for the group as other fanbases grew rapidly. i think mnet and wakeone will seriously need to do more self evaluation before commiting to another girl group in the future. i also believe GP999 was a dissapointment for many fans and i think this needs more consideration from mnet and wakeone. thats my 2 cents
The agency really bad yhere no such thing as Kepler rise after debut it goes downhill. Most theirs sing not even suitable to most of the member like wtf all members is so good but they literally trashing them
I'm disappointed because I really just started getting into Kep1er. I really hope that we get to see more from the girls especially Xiaoting and Hikaru after Kep1er disbands. The girls have so much potential.
You would have a hard time seeing them. After Kepler disbands, Hikaru would most likely return back to Japan. Same with Xiaoting to China.
I feel very bad for them since WAKEONE is really the main problem. I love their music, it’s all amazing, but WAKEONE really did not give them the stardom that they deserved.
That was Yeseo on the thumbnail but yeah this is so true they wasted girls time AND potential to the max
Kep1er is a case where they'll land on their feet. They are such strong talent individually that a lot of agencies are probably chomping at the bits to get chances to sign them (if they weren't pre-signed already).
That said, Kep1er could have EASILY been as big as IZ*ONE / IOI as a group. They never quite got there I think.
"They never quite got there I think"
Nope, not even close.
WIZONES and other casual listeners are still begging for IZONE to make a return as OT12. This sentiment isnt reciprocated with Kepler - as many would rather them disband and to have the members go their seperate ways
Kep1er we Will support you to the end❤❤❤my girls worked so hard to debut
Whatever.
They've been making tons of money in japan.
You can see that on press release and company filings.
What a huge success in japan at least.
This is why survival shows shouldn’t have temporary groups it literally almost never works out
I'm not a keplian but their songs are good and tbh better than a lot of grps songs , bad songs are not the reason for their flopping , just look at their brothers grp zb1 , their song ain't no where good as the 5th gen grps songs but they are growing their popularity , why ? Bcz w1 is promoting them and shoving their contents everywhere to people's faces , something they didn't do with kepler .
I wish wake one would stop treating the members like they don’t exist and get like better management for them and maybe they’ll help and I’m saying that I’m trying to extend the contract. Seems like a lie.
The company and it's management is the problem here 🤦🏻♀️
So disappointed in wake one
Honestly, Kep1er had so much momentum after wa da da but then their comebacks after that weren't that great. Not to mention they stop doing their space concept for some reason until the Galileo comeback. Plus they had so much pressure on them to follow up on the success of Iz*one. It also bothers me that wake one seems to put more emphasis on ZeroBaseOne now that Kep1er is set to disband soon.
How is it common if other people are not doing it🤨
i dont really care THEYRE HAVING A NEW KOREAN AND JAPANESE COMEBACK so tune in for that
I'm going to miss Kep1er, but I hope they find a better company/career(s) whether they stay together or go their separate ways
I never intended to love Kep1er as much as I do. I was sick of Mnet survival shows. But Wa Da Da was such a banger, and the variety shows I watched them on were absolutely hilarious. It makes me upset they weren't managed properly by WakeOne, they had so much potential. I'll be really sad when they disband in July.
And all of this leads to one main reason... WAKEONE.
God I always hated that company, but what can we do zb1 are also under that shitty company, I'm so scared they will have to go through wk1 bad treatment.
As much as I'm seeing rn zb1 are doing really really great, but the fact they're under wk1, who treated these poor girls in a very bad way is making me worried.
I think wakeone is kinda trying to do better with zb1, but only time will make us know.
It's already been 7 months since zb1 debuted, they had 2 albums that had high sales and a good amount of streams in both, their fandom is pretty strong even tho there is a lot of akgaes, they've been going viral several times on social bc of their "gen z behaviour", their visuals, their talents.
So far everything is going well.
But that worry in me is still there :(
Kep1er is and will be my 2nd fav group ❤ I hope that their contract somehow get renewed
It is so disappointing to see ZB1 is getting more resources while Kep1er has none. I mean I trust Wake One's ability (esp the editing skills shown in ZBTV) but probably they are not giving many resources to promote all the Kep1er members in general
I think kpop fandom is also to be blamed. They oberhyped the show and debut and then gave up on them.
Then they criticized every move made by the company and group.
It is also hard for the company to then do the right thing and know what to do.
There are also many groups ro compete against.
yeah like whyyyy did they do queendom??? like wtf was that?