Small Travel Trailer with Bathroom: Huge Storage in Little Guy Max vs. T@B 400 Teardrop Trailers
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- Have you been coveting the nüCamp RV T@B 400? Well, you might be surprised by the slightly bigger Little Guy Max. It's 3 feet longer than the TAB, and we were amazed by the amount of storage and extra space that provides. But, of course, there are a few things we're not crazy about.
Which would you choose? Little Guy Max or T@B 400?
Comment below and let us know!
00:00 Intro
00:29 Size compared to T@B 400
00:56 Exterior Storage
01:42 Interior vs. T@B 400
02:22 Layout/Floorplan
03:09 Interior Storage - So Much Storage!
04:54 Kitchen
06:14 Furnace
06:33 Workspace/Dinette
07:03 Cubbies Everywhere - Even More Storage!
08:13 Let's not talk about the Bathroom [see RELATED link below]
08:37 Final Impressions
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Have you been coveting the nüCamp RV T@B 400? Well, you might be surprised by the slightly bigger Little Guy Max. We were amazed by the amount of storage and extra space. But, of course, there are a few things we're not crazy about.
Which would you choose? Little Guy Max or T@B 400?
Comment and let us know!
We have the 400bd. I like the fit and finish better and all the doors and drawers have push in locks for secure transportation. And the little guy max has that sharp pointing tail that looks like it could be problematic for approach and departure angles. We have found no problem with shortage, there's lots of it.
@@marklundeen1025 Yeah, someone else here in the comments mentioned the departure angle of the LGM being a potential issue. Totally agree about fit & finish... T@B is superior there! - Dave
I haven’t watched the video yet… but one thing I can say without a doubt. The tab 400 is hands down better engineered and built than a little guy. I owned two mini maxes (2019s) before the tab 400. Admittedly, the new company ownership may be better.. but I wouldn’t take another little guy if it were free. Nucamp products are not even comparable to little guy. I can’t even begin to say the difference. To me it is a equivalent to buying a car from Wish compared to buying a lambo. Hopefully they are built better now.. but I basically have ptsd from owning those two little guys. I can’t even…
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We’ve looked at both. I would go with the tab. Fit and finish seems better on the Tab. We liked the Tab bathroom and Dinette better in the Tab. But, the extra room and storage in the Little guy is hard to argue with.
Yes, we'd go with the T@B as well. We looked at both again in person a couple months ago, and the nüCamp is just made better. Salesman also mentioned that it takes them much less time to prep a nüCamp for delivery versus a Little Guy because there's very little that needs to be to corrected/fixed. Thanks for watching and commenting, Bob! - Dave
I love to watch RV reviews and would never own one, but my vote is for the Tab 400.
Haha, thanks Mark!
I would take the little guy Max. For sure
Thanks Laura! - Dave
Im sooo loving the little guymax
Great little camper!
I went with the Nucamp ultimately. Just the fit and finish, plus the resale value sold me.
Yes! Resale value is something RV buyers don’t often think about, especially since most RVs are essentially disposable given their construction-constrained lifetime. Great point and thanks for commenting! - Dave
I compared the little guy max to the Tab 400 and I bought the 400. The 400 has better quality construction and a bathroom sink. The cabinets are better quality, the floor and walls on the 400 are not plywood, they are Azdel. Azdel provides rot resistance and better insulation values. This is extremely important. The heating and hot water system is superior. The air conditioner is on the side which makes it much quieter. The 400 is worth the extra cost. Yes the 400 has less storage but I solved this by adding two bins on the tong and a storage box in my truck. I am amazed sometimes how much stuff people think they need to camp. Be selective and get rid of the stuff you do not use and it will all fit.
Fantastic points, Robert, thank you! I absolutely agree about not needing so much stuff to camp, and having a better experience because you're not hauling everything with you. I think many people, like me, are still learning what they really need to bring on trips, so when we see all the storage in something like the LGM, we figure we'll pack as much as we can! And great points about materials and construction of the 400... the cabinetry in the 400 is what initially made us want one. What year is your T@B and how long have you had it?
@@OdometerDave I bought the 2021 Tab 400 boondock in January 2021. I have had no problems with it. I am glad I did because my dealer is asking $5000 more for a 2022. The only difference is the floor is now a composite resin. I am 5’6”. If you are tall the little guy has more height inside. My last RV lasted 11 years and had water intrusion problems after 3 years. If you do basic maintenance the Tab 400 should last longer and is much less likely to have water intrusion.
We bought the Tab 400 and love it. That being said, the little guy has way more storage. You really pointed out the differences well. We were able to buy a tab right off the lot last fall when there were few to be found. If I had a choice between the two it would be very tough. The build quality on the tab is really nice. Also we love the Alde system. The only thing I don’t think you discussed is that the tab has ducted air with the unit under a bench where the lgm is a rooftop unit and is a bit louder and the exterior is a little taller. That’s one reason the lgm has more storage. While it’s nice to have the bathroom sink I wouldn’t give it too much weight. I still need to stand outside the bathroom in the Tab to use the sink so I end up blocking the kitchen sink anyway. Also the lgm’s bed is a couple of inches wider which I think would help a lot and there is a second windy by the bed which I think would be nice.
Thanks for subscribing and for these excellent comments, John! Great point about the Cool Cat taking up potential under-seat storage in the Tab. Glad you were able to snag yours last fall. When we talked to this dealer in February, he said the earliest we could expect either the Tab or the LGM would be August or September. So, we decided to rent this season. Safe travels!
It's hard to go wrong with these two - and just comes down to personal preference. I travel and boondock extensively in my 2019 T@B 400 and wouldn't trade it. The style & quality just felt more like "home" - and the support from NuCamp is epic. No question that the LGM offers more storage and is nicely designed. I'd heard that LG had some quality control issues in the past, but the people I've met who own one are happy.
Thanks for commenting, Rikk, great to hear from an owner! I occasionally drop in on the nüCamp user forums and folks there seem pretty happy with their T@Bs. I love how solid the T@B 400 feels and the cabinet work is just outstanding for an RV. - Dave
What a difference! I'm all in on the wood styling, more storage, more outlets and coax outlets. The additional length is a plus and it shows on the inside as well. Personal mods are an option. The way it's constructed also. Adding an oven and larger fridge I see as possible. I'm blown a way on how much better than the T@B 400.
Thanks Ken!
Great layout, love the view of the sky from the bed.
Yes, that's the great thing about both trailers! Thanks for watching and commenting, Luis! - Dave
To me, more importantly than the "features" would be the overall quality of the build. Glitz and glamour means nothing if the thing starts falling apart shortly after you get on the road.
Not just to you! I agree: the quality of the materials and the way in which they're put together is the most important thing. Too many of the trailers I've looked at lately are basically "disposable" and not built to last more than a few years... if that. Thanks for your comment, it's much appreciated! - Dave
A. Dry good analysis and comparison… thoughtful. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The 400 , is on my radar due to the complete quality package. It is the 50k price tag Canadian
Sometimes quality costs more!
That wood finish DEFINITELY makes it look like the owner is building the thing themselves. I would absolutely want a different color. That's entry door, though.
We’ve looked at other LGMs since, and they don’t have that same wood paneling, so I think it was a one-off. Weird, for sure!
Love the style of this video -- just subscribed keep up the great work!
Thank you, Ivan, appreciate it! - Dave
I vote for the little guy Max
Thanks Myrna!
Thank you for all the info your providing . I’m looking to get a small camper to tow myself to attend functions ( just having my own space) .
🌹. Very helpful as I am learning everything .
Thank you for the kind words, Rose! Safe travels! - Dave
Thank you for your comparison. Seriously considering a signifant downsizing from a 30’ tow trailer with slide out to perhaps, one of these two models. Like the floor plan! Both have some pros and cons, but lean towards the 400 for aesthetics, quality, more modern features like Aldi heating. I’m curious if the Max has dual pane acrylic windows like the 400. Seems like the 400 is ready for 3 - 4 seasons but I didn’t get that same sense with the Max.
Hi James, the specs on the Little Guy site say “7 Euro-style, insulated, dual paned acrylic windows with integrated shades and screens.” Their new Eco-1 trim removes the front window, though. The quiet Alde heat in the 400 would probably be more pleasant during cold snaps versus the frequent cycling of the blower in the LG. Sorry for the delayed reply, and hope the downsizing is successful! - Dave
Max for us
Thanks James! Do you own a Max? - Dave
Oh yes, I would consider it. Just that deep sink, and the hanging closet, and so much storage! Too bad about the heat, I like the instant hot water in the Tab. Also, Little Guy has an awning. I didn't see an awning on the Tab.
Hi Chana, thanks for commenting! Factory awnings are optional on the LGM. There are a couple third-party options for the T@B 400, like this one: allproadventures.com/products/new-tab-400-awning
@@OdometerDave thanks for letting me know about that, a lot to consider all around.
Nan from Florida: I pik The Lil Guy Max. Storage plus; comfort; roomy; large frig; add a hydraulic TV at dining table. Refer: The Girl Camper magazine.
Thanks Nan!
I like the lil guy max.
Thanks Terry!
I fell in love with the Tab 400 at the 2021 Hershey Show but when seeing it side by side with the Little Guy Max, I fell in love again. We bought the LGM in December and picking it up in April.
Let me know how you like it when you pick it up and congratulations, Christine! - Dave
I'd buy the Tab 400 Boondock for sure. LG has more space but can't beat the design, quality and customer service of Nucamp. Alde and ducted AC are big pluses too. Can use tow vehicle for Xtra storage with the Tab if needed.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Craig! Yeah the Alde and the ducted AC definitely make me lean toward the TAB. Standard rooftop RV AC units are mind-numbing, but I haven't actually heard the TAB's AC in person. - Dave
So you can take some self adhesive contact paper from Lowe's and put it on the inside of the door for the bathroom and you will have privacy.. it will cost you like $30.
Yes you can.
I’ve been in both and really liked the Little Guy so much more because of the storage. I plan to get the LGMax as my next RV (too many pets right now). The wet bath is no issue. I have a Thor Vegas 24.1 now, which I love, but its shower is so tiny that when I walked into the LG wet bath, I said, “It’s huge!” The salesman got a laugh out of that.
Haha, I know! We walked into the LGM and were amazed at “how much bigger it is inside.” And the nice thing about no sink is that there’s more space in the bathroom. Thanks for watching and commenting, Jody! - Dave
I went through this same analysis and in the end ordered a 400. Mine will be one of the first 2022 models off the line and they even changed over to composite flooring material using same stuff Airstream uses. I like the LG quite a bit but wife couldn't get over that bathroom. They need a redesign...
Yeah in my mind I can imagine an ideal marriage of the two trailers. So many things to like about each. Thanks for watching and commenting, Mike!
This is a great video!
The Tab feels more refined. LGM is probably more practical. More storage and bigger fridge. I would be hesitant to take the LGM ok a dirt trail. The bottom is not sealed like the Tab. The Tab's back end is angled so has a MUCH better departure angle. I think the size of Little Guy Mini Max is actually closer to the Tab 400.
Yeah the departure angle on the LGM really seems like an odd decision, but it does allow more storage in that exterior compartment. Agree the T@B is more refined. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Yes, the departure angle on this LGM is terrible...would be dragging/scraping when taking it off road, (maybe would scrape even in people's driveways), so it wouldn't do for my needs just on that point alone. The T@B 400 and 320 models with the better angle would have to be my choice...IF I went with a teardrop, that is. However, my first choice would be an Airstream Basecamp-X 16, or possibly an Airstream Caravel 16. Other trailers considered would be a Scamp 13 or 16 (which may also be the LIGHTEST weight travel-trailers of all). ;-)
Whatever, my Jeep (Gladiator Rubicon) will tow any of these smaller trailers easily, due to their lower weights, so I won't even be close to the truck's max towing capacity (7000lbs)...and that's what I prefer for (1) easier towing/handling on the road and (2) less wear & tear on the tow-vehicle...not to mention hoping the fuel-economy hit with these lighter (and more aerodynamic) travel-trailers won't be TOO bad! :-).
-- BR
@@billredding2000 I ended up with aBambi 16RB. All clearance issues went out the window after seeing how nice it is inside. Clearance sucks but it does tow nice and great use of space and luxury inside. Only 2900lbs too.
@@silvere36 I think the smaller (16') Airstreams would do better off-road...meaning not "serious" off-roading (and certainly not rock-crawling or water-fording!), but for uneven, rutted and SOME embedded rocks one needs to pass over on a trail they'd be okay. The LGM seems like the worst design for that purpose -- IMO, an on-pavement/hwy trailer only...which is fine if you'll never be going dispersed camping/boon-docking, etc.
BTW, looking at the pics of the 16' Airstreams (Caravel 16& Bambi 16) even though they're not off-road-focused (as the Basecamp-X 16 is) they seem to have less rear overhang (past the rear axle) compared to the LGM, so that would make them better for (mild) off-road use even if the LGM and Airsreams have the same ground-clearance number.
Not sure what the ground-clearance actually IS of the LGM vs. the Bambi/Caravel, but I would hope the Airstreams are sufficiently high. My Jeep is 11.6", so close to that would be great...so it's one big reason I was looking at the Basecamp-X 16 vs the "standard" Basecamp 16.
Happy Travels,
-- BR
@@billredding2000 interestingly, the thing I have clearance issues with is the weight distribution hitch. I seen to hit that thing fairly regularly on bumps. Maybe I can get away without one, but it sure tows nice. You'll love the Caravel. It's very refined.
I have been comparing the two for years now and I love the little guy max so much more room and storage.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Linda. Hope you get one soon! - Dave
Tough choice! I'm still leaning towards the 400...
I go back and forth every day! Thanks for watching and commenting, Judi!
Bought a T@B400 2023 in the Fall and are anxious to get out in it. We are dramatically downszing from a Rockwood Roo 23' hybrid now that it will be the two of us and maybe a grandkid or two. Aside from the obviously nice fit and finish of the NuCamp is that it is so well enclosed all around. The Roo is a mouse magnet and requires attention over the winter. I have had a mouse bait station in the T@B over the winter and not a nibble. Any comments about how well sealed the LGM is? Any mouse motel stories from others?
Ha! I haven’t heard about rodent issues with the LGM, but that’s a great point as it relates to design and construction. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
I like the Max kitchen sink with the pull-down sprayer, not the dinky folding tap on the TAB. Also, the USB slots, not just the 12V port. I don't think I'd want to fill the glycol for the other one's heating and hot water system.
Of course, it all comes down to cost and weight.
Jon in rural BC, Canada
The nice thing about the Alde heat, though, is that it’s very, very quiet, unlike the traditional blower heating. But, yes, pricier! Thanks for watching and commenting, Jon! - Dave
I’m trying to decide on my next RV and I want a teardrop with toilet & shower. I read many comments on the owner forums for both trailers. The quality of the LGM is simply not there. This will be my 6th RV and I’ve learned the hard way that paying more for quality is well worth it. It easily translates into more camping time as having to take an RV to a dealer and wait for service, parts etc is so disheartening. Higher quality means less maintenance too. Also considering a number of purpose built off road boutique manufacturers as they are coming out with some nice rigs using highest grade marine parts. But… I keep coming back to the Tab 400 boondock with the upgraded lithium package. It checks almost all of my boxes and has the long lasting quality that will let me pass it down to the next generation.
Yup, I can't disagree with anything you say! And I'm guessing you're talking about the new Cortes fiberglass campers that look exactly like Casitas? I'd love to see one in person, but think it still might be too tight for my 6'1" height. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Thanks for the review. While I like both of the units you compare, the wet bath arrangement would not work for us. And we have three adults that travel together so the space is a little tight in either one. An alternative that I am considering is the Vista Cruiser 19ERD; vaguely similar in styling but with more room overall. While not in the same niche class as the LG or 400, it offers decent quality for the price range and it provides the functionality we need. I'll likely buy a new Vista Cruiser 19ERD for about $23k, have some retirement outdoor adventure and be done with it in 10 years.
Thanks for watching & commenting, PK! We saw the Vintage Cruiser at an RV show last year - I think it's the Vista in different clothing :) - we liked the size but didn't feel the quality was long-term. Have you looked at a GeoPro or E-Pro? Good quality and nice variety of floorplans with small slideouts and full baths. The 20FBS might be good for 3 adults: forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/rockwood-geo-pro/G20FBS/5687
The Little guy max is definitely more organized and would keep this put away and for me I would choose the Little Guy
Thanks Kathy! Yes, it definitely has more storage.
Little Guy
I think I'd have to go with Little Guy Max. There is SO MUCH more storage! I'll be curious to see which you chose.
We’re curious too! I keep fantasizing that nüCamp will create a T@B 500 that’s closer in size to the LGM. Thanks for watching and commenting, Kimberly! - Dave
I want a Lil guy max. I love it.
Hope you’re able to get one, I think you’d be happy in it! Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
LGM for me camping 40 years storage is a must
I hear ya, Candy! Storage is crucial, and the LGM has plenty. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
We recently bought a 2018 T@B 400 and love it. The quality of the workmanship sold us. The bathroom in the 400 is wonderful. I think it may be the best wet bath out there. The LG Max definitely has more storage, but storage hasn't been an issue for us in the 400. I will note that we have the version of the 400 that has the small fridge and a closet. Good luck in your decision.
Our salesman pointed out that the "small" fridge in the T@B 400 is actually the same size as the larger one (4 cubic feet, if I recall). The fridge is just much deeper in the small version. Does that make it difficult to reach things in the back? Thanks for watching and commenting!!! - Dave
@@OdometerDave not at all. My life loves the fridge. Every time we take the camper out she comments about how much it will hold. We still carry a Yeti cooler but it is mainly for drinks and ice.
Great to know, thank you. We took a similar cooler with us on our recent Airstream trip and it was handy to have as a backup.
@@TaylorsTravelsACampingJournal we have the (small) fridge as well, and like it too. It's really nice to have that hanging closet for coats and shirts. Plus there's about 7inchs of space behind the closet. I took the back wall off and divided it into three cubbies. It turned out to be really cool.
I have that same small fridge and closet setup in my 400 (no microwave either) and the tradeoff feels perfect for my use. The closet works for both pantry and clothes storage (I put a little drawer unit below the hanging clothes for folded stuff. I boondock for weeks at a time - so my only regret is not being able to hold more than one gallon of milk. :) Otherwise, the fridge size is very workable - and very energy effective.
Love it so much better for many reasons including much better windows and storage!! I think the cabinetry looks just as nice. It's modern, light and beautiful! But where can I buy one??!! Please let me know. I want to buy one in just a couple weeks!! I'm a cash buyer. Please let me know if available somewhere. It's Jan 2022.
Hi Connie, the Little Guy site has a Dealer Locator: golittleguy.com/dealer-locator/
Agree...If I had an extra $40K and the right truck to tow it, this is such a better solution. Better layout with better storage. Still, overall very good built quality. Not to disparage the Tab, but this works better for me.
And wouldn’t it be nice to have an extra $40K?! :) Thanks for watching! - Dave
The Little Guy Max looks like just another RV with nothing to make the interior feel special. I'd take the 400 any day.
Having been a 320 owner since 2015 I don't see any problem with the storage, Life is so much easier when we don't have so much 'stuff' with us. And the extra storage here just seems like more space to stick 'stuff.' If you're going to full time in it, maybe? But I don't think I'd even want it then,
I hear ya, Pooks! When we were looking at the LG Max I kept thinking "there's so much storage, which means so much potential added weight, so much stuff we probably don't need with us, and more gas/emissions." Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
What did you decide to do? I’m debating these same two teardrops. I really like the quality of the Tab. I think I’d be willing to pay more for quality that will last a lifetime vs more storage. But I guess we’ll see!
Thanks for watching and commenting, Andrew! We’re still looking and figuring out how to swing any purchase of an RV. We also had a great experience renting through Outdoorsy, so we’re also leaning more towards that. As for which we’d choose, the T@B just makes me happy, love the design and workmanship. Good luck on your quest! - Dave
I have a Tab 400. If the longer rear overhang is not an issue for you get the Little Guy Max.
Thanks Thomas! How do you like your 400?
I have been considering the same two trailers! Thanks so much for making this video!
Thank YOU for watching and commenting! - Dave
I really like the 21in" like how the bed area is seperate it looks nice more room wish i could get one i need one
I hope you’re able to get one, too! Thanks for watching and commenting. - Dave
Looked at both and decided on the LGM for a couple basic reasons, availability and the fact that the LGM had a 2” receiver hitch. I am an avid mountain biker and the fact I could use a quality bike rack (1Up USA) not one of those flimsy racks placed on the trailer up front was a big deal.
Those are both excellent reasons! Thanks Steve! - Dave
I have friends who have both, quality 400 is better and its design is better except the windows, I prefer LGM windows, it makes it feel more open!
So... 400 would be perfect if it has LGM big windows. Of course, both 400 and LGM that I have seen were modified by their owners, so both are way better than the one from this video in my eyes!
If one day I would have the money, I would have problem deciding from those two... if 400 change its circle windows in the dinning area I would choose the 400 (for me having more space is not important, but having more light inside is)!
Really great points, Dominique and totally agree with you on the windows! I kinda wish nüCamp made a T@B 500 (just a little bigger) but it'd be even more expensive. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Perhaps you could install some dense privacy film on the outside of the bathroom/shower door? Just a thought….🤔💭😉
Or replace the door entirely. Though the glass door brings natural light into the bathroom. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
I have a 2015 jeep latitude with a tow package that allows me to pull up to 4500 lbs. I love the LGM but wonder if I'd be cutting it too close.
Hey, CF, thanks for asking. That would be cutting it too close for me, I’m afraid, but could work if you always ran with empty tanks and promised yourself you wouldn’t take advantage of all the storage nooks in the LGM. :) You want to feel safe stopping on a downhill mountain road. If you’re under 6 feet consider the LG Mini Max. Or could you trade in for a Grand Cherokee? Lemme know what you decide to do! - Dave
like both but i think we are gonig nucamp 400 becuase the 2023 comes standard with bunk and the finishes are much much nicer
Let us know how it goes with the bunk system! - Dave
I love the little guy max I believe it is superior in construction and storage
Thanks Pam! - Dave
I’m debating between this and the nuCamp TAB 400. This seems so much roomier and soo.. much storage which the 400 lacks. I also love the standard queen size mattress and being able to replace it with a more comfortable queen size mattress if necessary. I don’t understand about the heating in this unit and the AC only runs if it is connected at a camping site? I’d love to know which you preferred between the two. Your wife mentions many good points. I don’t care to much about the bathroom frosted door. I think something can be figured out for privacy but I would like a sink. This is heavier I believe. I have a 2023 Honda Passport, V6 engine, 5000 lbs towing capacity. I’m hoping it’ll do the job. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, the LGM is larger with more storage, which is great if you actually need the storage but will add weight. Great point about mattress size! (The T@B does come with the Froli bed support system, which I’ve never slept on, but folks seem to like it.) The LGM has a traditional RV propane furnace which is somewhat loud. The T@B has a hot water radiator system that is basically silent and I believe more efficient. Correct, the AC requires AC 120 shore power. I also wish there were a bathroom sink! We actually considered a Honda Passport before we got our Jeep and it was the tow capacity that made the decision. Personally, I would not pull the LGM with the Honda. Technically, you’re right at the sweet spot, weight-wise, for towing it, but I’d want a heftier vehicle (our Jeep has a factory tow package and a 6,200 lb capacity).
You might search FB user groups for other LGM users who tow with a Passport to learn their experiences. The nüCamp site offers a user forum with info on tow vehicles for the T@B 400. Thanks for watching and commenting Monica! - Dave
@@OdometerDave This is my first camper purchase so I’m unfamiliar with these things. I’m concerned about my vehicle’s towing capacity with the Max. I really don’t want to go smaller though or have to convert tables to a sleeping area. The 400 is a little lighter. Do you think the 400 would be a better choice? I do like the 400 and actually think the 400 has a better quality built but there were things on the LGM that I like more. Ultimately if the 400 is better fit to tow, I’d go with that. I was looking at the R-pod but I find there quality isn’t the greatest. Which camper did you go with? Unfortunately, I don’t like FB, IG, or social media in general so I don’t have accounts to be able to follow them or join their forums. 🤷🏻♀️
Hi Monica, the 400 would be a great choice, especially if it's only for one or two people. The LGM isn't that much heavier, but it's definitely bigger, and that means the wind can push it around more easily on the road, and you'd feel it more when being passed by trucks. I still recommend the nüCamp forum, it's a great community and you'll probably find info there about towing with the Passport; and it's not tied to a social media platform. tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com (I share your feelings about all the social media!!!) We actually have not yet purchased an RV! Through Outdoorsy, we've rented a 20-foot Airstream and a 17-foot Casita (another great option unless you're over 6 feet). We may purchase later this year, but there are many advantages to renting unless you plan to RV frequently. Depending on where you live, you might be able to rent a 400 or an LGM to test them out! Good luck, and let me know how it goes! - Dave
Just to be fair, I paused your video and watched a T@B 400 video. Yes, the finishes inside are nicer in the T@B 400, but will yours have a bunk? I'd hate that and it looks very tight. The Max has what appears to be, a nice big bed that is always ready for a nap. I like that the Max has a loose table that's bigger. Because it isn't fixed, it could be used near the kitchen or taken outside in nice weather. That table mechanism has got to be better than that bunk bed bunk. My vote would be the Max. Thanks.
Ah, you’re talking about the new T@B 400 for the 2023 model year where they added the bunk. It seems like a strange addition to me, but I haven’t seen it in person, and we just travel with our dog. But someone with kids might find it very useful. My review was of a 2021 model year, which has the front dinette that simply converts to a bed. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Little guy max all the way!!
The little guy has many more features ..Remember you can order different finishes..
That's a great point, Ruby. They only offer "Hand Picked 100% Light Maple Hardwood" for the cabinets, but LG offers several exterior color combinations. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
The absorption fridge is a big minus for me. Compressor fridges can get colder (relative to ambient temp) and still work when you're farther off level.
Agreed, David! Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
I’m curious how tall you are and did feel comfortable with headroom especially in bath area. Thanks
I’m 6’1” and headroom is great in both trailers (and baths). There’s less as they slope towards the rear over the bed, but you’re probably not standing there. :) The “stargazer” window over the bed also makes both trailers feel bigger than they are. Thanks for watching and asking, Neil!
I saw another video about the Max and they were complaining about leaks. Does this one leak? That would turn me off. I think his was a 2019. I hope they fixed that problem.
Water is the constant enemy of RVs. That said, I haven’t heard of consistent problems with leaks. Regular maintenance is key. Thanks for commenting and watching!!! - Dave
I am like you guys I love the max over the 400 I went and saw them back to back on Friday and man the max wins minus the alde heating system
Exactly! The quality of the LGM really surprised us. Wish they had the Alde heat, though. Thanks for commenting! - Dave
LGM for me. While I love the T@b finishes and attention to details...i travel w/multiple little dogs. They need...no, require floor space..
LOL, yes they do!
Help me out!!!!!! I’m shopping for a small RV that I can tow with my Jeep Wrangler unlimited that I understand can tow up to 3500 lbs. I heard u say this RV weighs 4200 lbs. can u explain total weight I can tow?!!!!
Hi Carnell, thanks for watching and commenting! Take a look at the Scamp or Casita. Oliver trailers are also sweet, but might be too heavy. True Teardrops like the NüCamp T@b S and smaller are good if you don’t need room to stand up inside. Understanding details like towing capacity, tongue weight, payload, and gross vehicle weight is important. Most dealers and manufacturers talk about a trailer’s dry weight (no fluids, no cargo), but the trailer’s gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) will tell you the total weight a trailer is allowed to weigh. Working with that number is more realistic, especially if you like to bring stuff like food, water, clothing, significant others, or pets. :) Another good rule is to look for a trailer whose GVWR is around 80% of your Jeep’s (2,800 lbs). That should allow you to also bring some cargo in your Jeep and it’ll be less stressful to tow. Hope that helps!!! - Dave
@@OdometerDave thanks for the fast reply. Much helpful!!!!
Carnel Butler- We have a 4x4 2004 Tacoma. I called the Toyota dealership and asked what gross weight camper we could tow.They said ideally 6000 lbs, but suggested going with half that weight capacity. Also talked to my mechanic, who used to do RV work. He installed and electric brake system for us. So we picked a teardrop with 3000lbs gross weight and were able to load camping gear in the bed of the truck.
i like the little guy and you do to...lol....peace, you can change the cabinets!
LOL, you might be right, Tony. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
I am also a little concerned about your ability to tow the Little Guy. You said it’s 200# less that your tow capacity. That’s cutting it really close. They suggest only towing up to 80% of your max capacity. Then again, I know others that push the limit. If you plan to travel where hills are present, I’d certainly take the Tab. Gives you 500+ pounds to work with. But then again, do what’s most comfortable for you.
Our Jeep has a 6,200 lb towing capacity and a 620 lb max hitch weight. So the 4,200 lb gross weight of the LGM is perfect. Also helps that the Jeep GC has an excellent factory tow package, which is why we bought it. We pulled a 21-foot Airstream around Michigan this summer (5,000 GVWR) and the Jeep was great, though that’s as heavy as I’d want to go.
@@OdometerDave Oh!! I thought in the video you said you were within 200 pounds of your tow capacity. I’m sorry. Misunderstood. Yeah, you are completely fine. What’s your payload in your Jeep?
I like the bathroom better in the LG. But would have to see them both in person. But overall I like the LG better.
We're still going back and forth trying to decide after seeing them next to each other. A lot will depend on what's available when we're actually ready to plunk down the money. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
The T@B 400 … does it have a hanging wardrobe ? I don’t think so … for me that’s the deal breaker … I’d choose the little guy … the T@B has the extra ground clearance on the tail end … I wdnt pull it off road (others might)
Hi Blair, it depends on which fridge option you choose. The larger 3-way = no hanging wardrobe. The smaller 2-way opens up space for a large closet with a rod. - OdoDave
What is the resell value on a lil max?
Excellent question, Rob. RV Trader currently shows 5 listings ranging from $29,500 (non-Rough Rider) to $38,890 (for a 2018!). www.rvtrader.com/Used-Little-Guy-Max/rvs-for-sale?keyword=little%20guy&make=Little%20Guy%7C382932126&model=MAX%7C764974406&condition=U Thanks for watching! - Dave
Hi, Do you know if it's possible to obtain this Traile T400 in Europe ( France )? Thanks for answer. Cordialy
Hi Charles, T@Bs originated in Europe so it might be possible, yes. I recommend you start at the Tabbert site. They list dealers in Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands: www.tabme.de/ Good luck, and thank you for watching - Dave
Also see Andrew Ditton's "American RVs through the eyes of a Brit" where he looks at the TAB 400 from a European perspective.
th-cam.com/video/XZU2WWW01_k/w-d-xo.html
I love the storage! But price difference?
There is a price difference, yes.
If you choose the smaller fridge on the 400 you get a big closet
Though apparently the fridge has the same cubic footage of space, even though it's arranged differently. I think the freezer compartment is smaller. Of course, accessing it is very different since it's mounted under the countertop. But choosing the smaller fridge gets you hanging storage! Thanks Michelle! - Dave
Is the dinette bed wide enough for an adult to sleep? It looks very narrow
+John Conley Not sure, but the Little Guy site says it “Converts To Single Bed.” - Dave
I appreciate the space of the LG but the 400 is just so much more thought out and polished overall. And what's with that "rustic" wood wall?
Also, keep in mind that departure angle on the LG. Gotta watch that back if you're going up any steep incline or pulling onto the street from a steep curb.
Haha, that paneling was pretty bad! Salesman said the builder was desperate for materials. I imagined them grabbing whatever they could find at Home Depot. Good point on the departure angle, too. The lift option will help, but it’s still not great… of course, it means there’s a bit more storage! Thanks for watching and commenting - Dave
It's actually as nice as the nuCamp. This has a closet, unlike the nuC.. How much is this one? Does anyone know?
Hi Dora, thanks for watching and commenting! The MSRP on a 2022 LG Max Rough Rider is about $40K. Here's one I found for sale in Wisconsin: www.prosserrv.com/Sturtevant-WI-53177/New-2022-Little-Guy-Max-Rough-Rider-With-Awning-For-Sale-In-Milwaukee-Wisconsin/VDP/a9cf45a8-88f5-4f92-a98c-a97755a3fe87
How do you tow 4200 lbs dry weight with a jeep? Rubicon has 3500 lb limit (?)
Hi LadyK! Our Grand Cherokee has a 6200 lb towing capacity. And the dry weight (empty tanks) of the Little Guy Max is 3010. It’s the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating that’s 4200, and that’s the important number when you’re determining if your tow vehicle can handle it. For a Rubicon, you might consider smaller teardrops like the Little Guy Micro or the nüCamp T@B 320, or possibly a pop up. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Thanks! My error. I didn't realize any jeep at all had that much towing capacity! We don't have the Rubicon yet...my husband's dream jeep. Happy Camping 😊
Hi, I didn’t see the weight of the trailer mentioned. I have a 2021 Ford Explorer, it has a towing capacity of 5000 lbs.
Also, are there any dealers in the south Dallas area? I would love to go check one of these out myself.
Hi Carol, the LG Max’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (the most it’s allowed to weigh) is 4,200 lbs, so you might be fine towing with your Explorer. Even better is if your Explorer has a factory tow package. You always want a tow vehicle that’s capable of hauling a good deal more than you’re asking of it, especially since you need to allow for the weight of passengers and whatever cargo is in the vehicle. See the Little Guy site for more specs and links to dealers: golittleguy.com/lg-max/
We looked at both of these. We are looking at the next model having a north south bed. As you age the ability to crawl over your partner in the middle of the night is less fun. The "cool"looking teardrop design takes away headroom in a already small camper this becomes more apparent. I did not buy for looks we went with value for cost, limited towing capacity at the time and this was not for us to live in and watch tv but to be outside with a nice place to go to. I would take a look a the GeoPro and the Jayco SLX7 campers. I got a Jayco 145RB and we are very happy. I have Airsteam friends that are envious of our cabinet space and shower size. Yes even as small as this camper is it packs a lot into a small space. We are looking go a little bigger on the next one.
Excellent thoughts, Donald, thank you. We had an east-west bed in the Airstream we rented recently and sometimes it was fun crawling over one another, but it'll probably get tiresome. We took a quick look at a GeoPro and there were definitely things I liked (a true dry bath in a 16-foot trailer). - Dave
Like it better than the tab400
Thanks, Cecily, and thank you for subscribing! - Dave
Isn't the little guy max something like 10,000 - $20,000 cheaper? I'm considering one too and the price point of the little guy max convinces me.
The LG Max is less expensive, but I don't think it's $20k less! My understanding is that nüCamp (like many RV manufacturers) advertises an outrageously high MSRP that their dealers must display (see the second link below). However, even with the current high demand, I've heard of people paying $36-40K. That's right in line with a Little Guy Max Rough Rider and standard upgrades. Ultimately, though, you should choose the RV that works for you and how you plan to use it. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
A couple links:
golittleguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/2021-Max-MSRP.pdf
www.dankearneysrvcenter.com/New-Inventory-2021-nuCamp-Trailer-400-TAB-400-Boondock-T-B-Center-Rutland-Vermont-8140072
I’m liking the little guy max better
Thanks for watching and commenting, Michael!
I like the Little Guy Max better! "MORE STORAGE!" "MORE EVERYTHING!" The Tab 400 has less. Not happy with the Tab 400.
There are pluses and minuses with each trailer. My "problem" is that I like both of them. Thanks for watching and commenting, Richard! - Dave
Had a Tab 400. This Max has much more room.
Thanks Kimberly!
The interior is cheap looking for sure but the space....I'd still do tab 400 though..
Thanks Dude!
I really like what I see, unfortunately it's too heavy to tow with a Jeep Wrangler unlimited which maxes out at 3500 lbs.
Thanks for writing, Russell! Have you looked at a smaller teardrop like a T@B S or a Casita or Scamp?
You will have a much less problems with the tab 400 believe that
Thanks, Dominic! Have you had bad experiences with the Little Guy Max?
Don’t own one but I live on the road full-time and I’ve been looking at trailers we built our own a few years back cargo trailer conversion I’ve been looking at the tab and the little guy Max and a few others doing tons of research it appears that the little guy Max has way more issues from what I’m reading have a blessed day
What’s the price difference?
+Kathleen Dion Depends on options, but roughly 5 to 6 thousand. T@B 400 around 41,500. LGM I’ve seen 34 to 39K.
Oh, we didnt even get to LG's .... Windows!!!!
Yes! The windows are fantastic, I should've mentioned them as well. Love the stargazer window over the bed in both the LGM and the T@B 400. Thanks for watching and commenting, VW! - Dave
The Little guy max is much larger. You can’t really compare a Tab 400 to it. In an earlier comment I wondered if the front dinette bed is wide enough. It is I have know been inside one. The cabinets are way way better quality than ANY box trailer at any price.
Yes, here are some actual bed specs:
LGM
Dinette converts to a 32" x 76" bed
60" x 80" Queen master bed
T@B 400
55" x 79" Queen-size Sleeping Area (nüCamp's term)
They don't provide dimensions for the converted dinette, but starting with the 2023 models, the dinette converts into two bunkbeds, which might be good for families.
nucamprv.com/blog/2023-tab-400-features-a-hidden-bunk-redesigned-dinette/
We went a different way after looking at those. We ended up with a Viking 9.0 TD Teardrop Popup hybrid.
I keep thinking we should look at popups, too, but the lack of a toilet keeps steering me away. But I love the add-a-room on the Viking and the overall design looks fantastic. Hope you’re having fun with it and thanks for watching and commenting (and subscribing!) - Dave
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The little guy is 10- $20,000 less... Not much to think about in my opinion. Go for the little guy Max. I've watched a ton of videos about both campers because I'm in the market for one. I'm sold on a little guy max And that's the one I'm going to get when I retire in a couple years.
It’s difficult to get real numbers from either company, but I’ve talked to two dealers who both said the TAB and the LGM end up being about the same price. The Madison dealer said “about 36k” for each of these, in the Boondock and Rough Rider packages (this was back in February, and he also said we’d have to wait for 6-9 months). They each have pluses and minuses, but overall I like the space in the LGM, but prefer the build quality and design in the TAB. Thank you so much for watching and for your comments, Thomas, and best wishes for your retirement… I can’t wait to have more time to travel!!! - Dave
@@OdometerDave we bought our LGM in April (we waited 6 weeks for it). We got it in Vermont (we live in western nys). It was $30k even and has the rough rider package with solar, back up camera, etc. Check out Dan Kearney's dealership, he was 4k less than a dealer in NYS and only 50 miles more to drive to for us. We live our Max and hated the bath in the T@B400. We are larger women and the toilet is shoved in the corner with no room to maneuver. I didnt see that you sat down in the T@b, make sure you try that if you get a chance.
Out Max has plain white walls where the ugly paneling is in the model you saw. Easy to clean (we put up peal and stick wallpaper and it looks great. Check out the LGM Facebook groups for table ideas, most of us have modified that clunky table. Good luck.
@@cyndicash9096 Great info, Cyndi, thank you! Does your LGM also have solar and awning, or other options?
@@dbelden yes, it has solar and an awning. Our dealer was great , he even gave us a used hitch ball he had.
@@cyndicash9096 nice! Maybe we should trek out that way! What are you towing with?
The odd shape dinette, lack of storage, really small refrigerator and the not so attractive way of separating the kitchen and bedroom made me buy the LGM
Haha! I think the odd-shaped dinette was one of the first things we liked in the Tab. I was so much more impressed by the LGM after seeing it in person… seemed built better than I’d been led to believe. I can see the Tab being ideal for a solo traveler, but for longer trips, our 2-people-and-dog family might need more space. Thanks for watching and commenting, and safe travels!
Put 50% your storage stuff in your CAR or TRUCK….Don’t pick a trailer solely on storage capacity and if your max out trailer storage you might might have weight balancing problems or exceed GVWR!
Totally agree, Nikki. It’s all about finding the right balance of the load for your particular combination of tow vehicle and trailer. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Dave
Way expensive 35k..no way..I will tent camp for that
Haha, I hear ya, Brad!
Did they mention the price of the trailer? For someone interested in something that small, the price range is very important. I'm pretty sure Mr. Bezos wouldn't mind, but I do.
Hi Moises, thanks for commenting. Please look at a few of the previous comments on this video and you'll find some rough pricing. - Dave
Little Guy Max -- $33,000 ----- Nucamp 400 $45,000 ---
Thanks Tom!
Update with some current pricing on dealer sites:
$38,100
2022 Little Guy Max Rough Rider (Wisconsin):
www.prosserrv.com/Sturtevant-WI-53177/New-2022-Little-Guy-Max-Rough-Rider-With-Awning/VDP/0749e591-eb14-467a-ae00-40deba3bc670
$42,843
2022 T@B 400 Boondock (Minnesota):
www.elkriverrv.com/--xInventoryDetail?id=11405396
Looks cheap compared to the 400
These Trailers are ridiculously overpriced and have very little support after sale....(yes I've owned one) you'll be tired of it after 2 years....Take turns changing clothes in there...lol
Thanks, Thom. Which one did you own? - Dave
@@OdometerDave Sofitel CS/S MAX 2015 By pleasant valley (before they sold to my camp)
So that was the smaller platform wasn't it, like the current T@B S? We're talking about the larger T@B 400 in this video.
@@OdometerDave Buy whatever you like, my comment is what it is, and the niche for these units is small for good reason. Hindsight is 20/20. If your getting views and kickbacks, that's great but having been inside the 400 gave me no more sense of joy than the smaller unit. Its "gimmick" over function.