This should honestly be a series or something. A choose your own adventure series where we explore every possible outcome starting from this point forward
Ideas for videos: How could the wildlings survive/ win the game of thrones & the long night? How could the nights watch survive/win the game of thrones & the long night?
And they’ve done it again! These guys never fail to entertain. It’d be awesome if this video gets a part 2. Anyways I hope you guys keep up the good work
I think Viserys would be treated fairly leniently. He may have been crowned, but his legitimacy is hurt by the fact it was a small ceremony in the Dragonstone sept, compared to being anointed by the High Septon at Baelor’s. Looking at real life history, Edgar Atheling briefly was positioned as King of the Anglo-Saxons between Hastings and William the Conqueror reaching London. In that case it was politically convenient to just pretend nothing happened. Logically, if he’s not sent to the Wall, it would make sense to place him under Stannis’ tutelage.
I love that the comment praising Thom's editing skills has its own (edited) mark. Please tell me you made an edit just to add that meta-layer to the comment.
Great actuarial assessment of Viserys. The Nights Watch isn't an option for the prince, even if he abdicates his claim to the Iron Throne. King Jaehaerys I sent the Warrior's Sons and the Stars & Swords to the Wall after disbanding the Faith Militant, only for those Oathbreakers to rebel, attempting to rule their castles at the Wall rather than serve the realm. Targaryen Loyalists would have absolutely attempted to restore King Viserys III to the Iron Throne. Leaving Viserys in Stannis's custody is problematic because conspiracies to restore the mad prince would start popping up and Storm's End could find itself facing another siege. Also, it wouldn't be long until Stannis would execute Viserys for being a brat with outbursts of madness. While keeping Viserys at court as a prisoner (the old Daemon II Blackfyre treatment) would demonstrate the king's mercy and serve as an example against future rebellions, it would be unwise due to the prevalence of Targaryen loyalists in the Crownlands. Daemon II was a Blackfyre and lacked any real supporters in the crownlands. His continued living was also a political obstacle for Bittersteel to crown Haegon as king while Daemon II still lived. Sadly, execution was the best outcome for Robert, despite the blemish on his heroic image. Also, if Viserys were still alive in any way, it would undermine the political advantage of marrying Robert's future heir to Daenerys.
He could be kept at the Keep for a few years, make sure his reputation is public knowledge, then some time in his adolescence allow him to "sneak" out of the Keep, and meet his end in a drunken fight.
Well, if Robert is persuaded to not off them, then the most reasonable solution would be making Viserys a ward of Ned Stark (to remove him from the South) until he's old enough to join the Night's Watch. As a male heir, Viserys' claim would always be a problem. He can not marry and have children who would inherit his cause. Dany could be raised in King's Landing and then married off to Robert's son (to neutralise her claim; common practice throughout history) or made to become a septa or a silent sister to remove her from the game and prevent her having children. This is exactly the same things I would envision for Aegon and Rhaenys. There is no way on Earth that Elia would be allowed to take her children to Dorne to plot and stir up trouble. She would be sent back to Sunspear, but her children neutralised in other ways.
@EMIBwahahalalalallalahahahahha Do you mean Ollie? Was he actually sworn in or just living at the wall as a potential recruit? I don't think Robert would risk Viserys or Aegon having a chance to escape before taking vows. It would be safer to have Ned keep an eye on the boy for as long as possible and then send him when he can actually make his vows quickly.
I actually think the situation with the Others and the wall would be better than in the main series, since everyone isn't fighting each other and with Ned still being around the realm probably won't ignore the wall when they send ravens and men to ask for help.
Been ruminating on this scenario today and kind of had some ideas/expansion for what you laid out. 1) Given that Robert and the North already had Daenerys living with them as a Ward, when it comes time for the Greyjoy Rebellion I'll take a shot in the dark and say that Robert send little Theon to Storm's End as a hostage under the Mannis. 2) I don't think Sansa would've actually traveled to King's Landing, or rather I don't think Ned or Catelyn would've allowed her. Ned wanted to bring Bran along and Catelyn requested Arya go to "correct" her behavior. Much as Sansa would've begged, she wouldn't have had a real place given that she isn't engaged to the prince. 3) You can probably reason that because Dany and Jon were close growing up, she is the one who convinces him to journey with them to King's Landing. I think Barristan Selmy takes an interest in Jon (because he's suspicious) and shocks everyone by offering to make the bastard his Squire. I think the above 3 points leads to the domino effect with the War of 5 Kings. After Barristan is released from the Kingsguard by Joffrey I imagine he ends up declaring for Stannis during the actual war. The Greyjoys still raid the Northern coasts, but no Theon in the North means Winterfell never gets captured. I think Ned has Jon and Arya flee from Kingslanding before shit really hits the fans.
Fun, but I would really like to expand on what would happen if Theon was warded with Jon Arryn. That is to say, some time in King's Landing (probably when he's older) , but mostly in the Vale after the Greyjoy rebellion. Imagine him falling for Mya Stone, or her getting taken in by him, then he later spends some time in King's Landing and brags about it and Robert gets wind of it. What if Cersei decides to betroth them to spite Robert? Or even Robert liking Theon because they're somewhat similar until he hears about Mya and then friction forms.
Not sure if you have done these ideas. But here are two involving the Mannis. 1- What if Stannis remained in King's Landing after the death of Jon Arryn? 2- What if Stannis was made Lord of Storm's End instead of Lord of Dragonstone?
This does setup the really unique potential that Theon gets brought as a Ward to someone completely different. Either Jon Arryan, Stannis, or maybe even Tywin Lannister. Any of those would be really different and interesting.
The wedding between Joffrey and Dany would be a breeding ground for chaos. The Martells and the Lannisters would feud because of the dead Elia & kids. Tyrells would try to plant seeds to grow into opportunities (Maybe have Margaery become one of Dany's ladies?). Edmure would just have a jolly good time and party. And Ned would struggle trying to keep them all from killing each other.
I think it's very likely that Jon ends up at the Wall in this scenario, just later than scheduled. The minute he found out that Joff was abusing Daeny, he'd act. Assuming Bobby B was still alive, it's a safe bet that he'd have mercy and send him north.
Since What-Ifs are now on the table, heres one for the 1st day of the 4th month: What if Stannis had been able to get House Goodmen under his banners before the Battle against the Boltons?
a few thoughts 1) Theon is hostaged by either Tywin or Stannis. Could be either one, but personally I think Theon is going to have a LOT less leverage and such either in Casterly Rock OR Storm's End. Not sure which Bobby would think of but who knows.
Excellent video. Feels a bit like we have a Tourney at Harenhall situation here. Littlefinger will do well, but how will he survive Stannis, who i think will have Storm's End
You should do how each house would win for HOTD edition such as house velaryon, the greens side of house targaryen and the blacks side of house targaryen or even house targaryen as whole before or after viserys death.
I think these what ifs are fantastic. As someone who olay the miniatures game i am used to having what if scenarios. Much more thought out than what seems to a bunch of AI written videos out there
I can see them sending visery to the wall because it would be suicide for the loyalist to even try to rebel. First, they would have to convince the entire wall to rebel that includes the ones who are not Targaryen Loyalists, who could just be cowards, criminals, or ex loyalists of other groups. I can see Benin Stark warning Ned ahead of time. Second Then they would have to march through the North who not only will die for Ned Stark has some of the best warriors. They would get obliterated before a single house even considers siding with them. Third even if they decide to rebel, there is less than a 1,000 people at the Wall which is not enough to march onto Winter fell let alone Westeros. So I think it would be safe to send them.
Tweak: Rob goes South with Ned and Daenerys for a double wedding - Joff to Dany, Rob to Myrcella - and, as in GOT, Cat, freaking out about Jon being the senior "stark" male kid if he stays in Winterfell, recommends he go to the Wall, and Jon agrees, because he's secretly in love with Dany and super depressed she's going to marry Joff. There! I SAVED SAM. ;)
Hello! Please do a Jon Snow vs. Grey Worm trial by combat. I personally think Jon is better trained for single combats and Longclaw gives him an edge too but I'd love to see your analysis as always.
Video Ideas How House Martell could have won the game of thrones. How House Bolton could have won the game of thrones. What event doomed Robb Stark the most? Who Really won the Dance of the Dragons. Which leads into videos on how the Blacks and the Greens could have won/won by more.
In this case we are saved the absolute waste of ink on a page and screen time of the daenarys story. Massive W if it happened tbh, shame Bob couldn't get it done.
Given the scenario of Danny being in the North with the Starks i wonder which of the girls she would get one with best Sansa or Arya, Sansa and Danny are closer in age but Sansa was more clod to Jon then the other Starks, Arya is more rebellious and here natrue was why she bonded with Jon. Would be quite funny to see scenes of Danny and Arya trolling Sansa when they are younger.
Hmmm. I think one significant unmentioned element is what happens to the Mannis? Stannis having succeeded in his task means he has a better case to not only inherit the Stormlands but to marry someone other that Selyse. He has no major failure on his resume to piss Robert off. That has too many implications to ignore. For one, assuming the incest occurs, Stannis is in a much more powerful position, Renly a weaker one and they are more likely to be willing to tell Robert. A Renly without the Stormlands has no route to power except his Brother’s good graces. And as an aside, Marrying Dany to Joffrey is a solid through line, but honestly I find the idea of a Dany/Jon romance so off putting I will defile canon to stop it. This is coloured by the show which proclaimed an epic love without giving us a single reason to believe it had occurred and I really hated that. But also I find Jon a better character when his arc is not about romance. And his arc with Ygritte was not about the love story.
I disagree on the no dragons line. Irlio gave Dany those Dragons (i'm sure I butchered that name. The dude from Pentos) and he's a close ally of Varys. I could almost see Varys give the eggs to Dany, or arrange for another person who wants favor with the crown, give her the eggs. Now how do they hatch? That's less clear, but we KNOW there's power in the blood of kings, so maybe Dany hatches them by accident during some civil unrest that's caused by one of the 3 chaos elements in Varys, Baelish, or Oberyn. Maybe Bobby B dies or Joffrey dies and during their funeral Dany, as a sign of respect, puts the eggs in the fire as a ceremonial thing and they hatch. Idk, but I'm sure there's PLENTY of opportunities for the eggs to hatch. They are destined to after all so the magic WILL find a way to make it happen. Man, this entire alternate history of the story has sooo many possibilities. This could be a series. Told from different POV's based on who we want to win. We can do a Dany POV, a Jon POV, a Lannister POV, the list goes on
I always thought that Elia would go back to Sunspear but there is no way in hell Robert would let her keep her children to plot and stir up trouble. Aegon as a boy would have been the more dangerous potential claimant, so I can see Robert giving him to Ned as a hostage ward to keep out of sight in the North until he's old enough to join the Night's Watch. Rhaenys would either be betrothed to Robert's future heir (common way of dealing with old dynasty daughters) or made to become a septa or a silent sister. They would not be allowed to marry and have children who could inherit their claims and stir up trouble in the future.
I wonder what Jaime's thoughts would be. He ended her father and failed her brother and his children. Now his son is betrothed to her. Would he actively hinder Cersei trying to do anything to Daenerys? Would anyone trust him around her if he began to spend more time around her to take steps to protect her? And would people suspect foul-play from him if she does die?
My personal fun story idea is have Jaime shipped off the Winterfell with Dany. Cersei will throw a fit for sure but as the future wife to the king she could warrant a Kingsguard, and it “punishes” Tywin in a grand gesture as a way of apologising for what happened to Elia. I don’t think it a likely outcome, but it happening would I reckon be a great idea. And it would be interesting to see who Cersei cheats on Robert with without her twin around.
@@neodigremo I'd considered that too, but at some point I think he'd snap after "Kingslayer this" and "Kingslayer that" without Cersei. Though, there might actually be a heart-to-heart with Ned and a younger Jaime about the Wildfire plot. Whether or not Ned believes it is a different story.
@@sardonically-inclined7645 Well overall Jaime's level of goodness is inversely proportional to the time he spends with Cersei. The further away he gets the more his positive traits should come to the foreground.
We're getting some Targaryen-style pancakes. He condoned the deaths of the babies but he didn't do it himself so he probably wouldn't do it. Letting it slide is one thing, doing it himself he probably wouldn't. Not then anyway. By the time he got to the main series, probably not. I usually go with the second pronunciation for Rhaella. But yeah, Viserys is... complicated. The Wall is probably the best choice but that might not be feasible. You'll need Ned's men, yeah, but it'd be tough either way. As for execution... and yeah, the Wall is a problem with all those loyalists there. Honestly, besides execution, and really, could just pin that on Tywin again, I'd probably say exile to Essos under constant guard. Or send him to the Dothraki Sea and see what happens. I'd say marry Daenerys to a midway powerful minor lord. Ward to the North... it makes sense but I've seen too many fanfics with that and I hate the way they tend to work but yeah, this works. No Targaryen loyalists, no, definitely not. Marrying Robert's heir? Oh, now that's a good idea. That gives even more legitimacy to Robert's dynasty. I like this. Poor Cat, yeah. Also, I'd say that Stannis might get to keep Storm's End since he brought the Targaryen kids to Robert. As for Theon... give him to Tywin, sure, why not. My bets are on mostly canon shit until here, yeah, so Jon Arryn's dead. Myrcella and Robb or Myrcella and Bran I think will be the option. Robb is the most likely option, so George will like that. Jon and Dany being close... yeah, that works. I'm gonna say they keep platonic because yeah, no thanks, I've seen that too many times. Remind me not to tell you about all the Jon/Arya fics. Jon going to King's Landing with Dany to be her Kingsguard... hmm. Not sure if that's the plan you're going with but I like that idea. As for Jon and Joffrey? Hmm, I do like that idea. I don't know about the Sansa part. Given Joffrey will end up acting like a bit of a twat to Dany who Sansa might be close to, she might see him for who he is sooner. Or she might go full jealous, either works. Ah, Cersei. Good old Cersei, can always count on her to be a maniac. Oh, three Direwolves at King's Landing? Oh boy. Big ass guest list, huh? Last time this many important people were in one place was Harrenhal. To answer the questions you ask about where this'll go, yes to Ned, friction is there, Oberyn will poison every Lannister, Barristan probably has an existential crisis, Mace will try to push Margaery towards Renly I'd imagine or try to have Dany killed somehow (or maybe Marge for Tommen, but yes, he tries), yes to Cersei assassinating Robert, probably no to Varys killing a lord, at least not yet because I imagine he'd wait a while, yes to Baelish because it's Baelish. Oh yeah, no Wall which means the Others are going to kill everyone. Excellent. Where this'd go... ok, if I tried to go through it would take way too long so not gonna do it in this comment. I'd need to go to the Discord to go over this and even then it'd probably be too much. Anyway, loved this vid. I'd love more what ifs but I get the algorithm and all. This was a lot of fun.
Nice what-if. (Drink every time is said “jokes aside 😂”) However… I think that they still being alive is still a liability. for sure viserys has to die as any male heir is always a risk no matter what oaths they swore (unless you are Eddard stark ofc). As for Danny well, idk. Yeah she might be spared as she is a woman and 8 months old hence does not have any memories of her family ruling compared to viserys (she only had the stories he and others told her about her family) who had 8 years to see his family rule and being dethroned. However at some point she will become a liability because who know what affection she might develop (with Jon or Robb or any other man) because she might flee with that person and might rally support to dethrone whoever is the king because even if she can’t technically be the queen her son can (hence why Robert wanted her dead in the main series). So yeah the only card Robert can deal is marry her to Joffrey and entrusting her to Ned. However if we stick with the whole Jon snow is aegon Targaryen… putting her with Ned is also a time bomb because both are targaryens and Ned knows that and should they fall in love then they both have a better claim and probably the north would back them when things go sour with the south. Robb can support them as he will still be warden of the north and can even guarantee a kingdom in the north by backing them in exchange for that promise. Although one must have the evidence to proof that Jon is a Targaryen instead of fully trusting the words of an invalid and a friend of the guy who’s this guy because he read it on a book… a book that could say anything and be written by anybody who has access to it (dam I hate the writing of the show).
7:00 gave ME an anurism... Jon has brown hair in the books....curse you D&D for making Show Jon black-haired and getting that image stuck in peoples minds ( I know its a nitpick I am of course (half) joking)
I'd say because he's already 8, he would already be loyal to the Targaryan name and Robert didn't want to test which side that coin landed on as he got older. Daeny would have been seen as easier to control as a female in a medieval society compared to Vis who a large number would see as the rightful King
Stannis using the patented Show-Euron Greyjoy cheats to create a fleet, teleport to Dragonstone and capture Viserys and Daenerys.
He actually almost got them. Darry only got them out the night before I believe
He actually almost got them. Darry only got them out the night before I believe
No. The Lord of Light guided his fleet through the storms.
This should honestly be a series or something. A choose your own adventure series where we explore every possible outcome starting from this point forward
Ideas for videos:
How could the wildlings survive/ win the game of thrones & the long night?
How could the nights watch survive/win the game of thrones & the long night?
Fandome: Do you want what if videos or who can beat the Mountain videos?
Everyone: Yes
And they’ve done it again! These guys never fail to entertain. It’d be awesome if this video gets a part 2. Anyways I hope you guys keep up the good work
I think Viserys would be treated fairly leniently. He may have been crowned, but his legitimacy is hurt by the fact it was a small ceremony in the Dragonstone sept, compared to being anointed by the High Septon at Baelor’s. Looking at real life history, Edgar Atheling briefly was positioned as King of the Anglo-Saxons between Hastings and William the Conqueror reaching London. In that case it was politically convenient to just pretend nothing happened.
Logically, if he’s not sent to the Wall, it would make sense to place him under Stannis’ tutelage.
Thom making sure there's no fluff so he can edit easier XD
I love that the comment praising Thom's editing skills has its own (edited) mark.
Please tell me you made an edit just to add that meta-layer to the comment.
Hell yeah, great What If! Love to see a more in depth continuation, or a different scenario- both are good!
Great actuarial assessment of Viserys.
The Nights Watch isn't an option for the prince, even if he abdicates his claim to the Iron Throne. King Jaehaerys I sent the Warrior's Sons and the Stars & Swords to the Wall after disbanding the Faith Militant, only for those Oathbreakers to rebel, attempting to rule their castles at the Wall rather than serve the realm. Targaryen Loyalists would have absolutely attempted to restore King Viserys III to the Iron Throne.
Leaving Viserys in Stannis's custody is problematic because conspiracies to restore the mad prince would start popping up and Storm's End could find itself facing another siege. Also, it wouldn't be long until Stannis would execute Viserys for being a brat with outbursts of madness.
While keeping Viserys at court as a prisoner (the old Daemon II Blackfyre treatment) would demonstrate the king's mercy and serve as an example against future rebellions, it would be unwise due to the prevalence of Targaryen loyalists in the Crownlands. Daemon II was a Blackfyre and lacked any real supporters in the crownlands. His continued living was also a political obstacle for Bittersteel to crown Haegon as king while Daemon II still lived.
Sadly, execution was the best outcome for Robert, despite the blemish on his heroic image. Also, if Viserys were still alive in any way, it would undermine the political advantage of marrying Robert's future heir to Daenerys.
Pretty Much Yeah.
He could be kept at the Keep for a few years, make sure his reputation is public knowledge, then some time in his adolescence allow him to "sneak" out of the Keep, and meet his end in a drunken fight.
@@MyPisceanNature Nice, an unfortunate knife fight with Karl fooking Tanner of Gin Alley.
Well, if Robert is persuaded to not off them, then the most reasonable solution would be making Viserys a ward of Ned Stark (to remove him from the South) until he's old enough to join the Night's Watch. As a male heir, Viserys' claim would always be a problem. He can not marry and have children who would inherit his cause. Dany could be raised in King's Landing and then married off to Robert's son (to neutralise her claim; common practice throughout history) or made to become a septa or a silent sister to remove her from the game and prevent her having children. This is exactly the same things I would envision for Aegon and Rhaenys. There is no way on Earth that Elia would be allowed to take her children to Dorne to plot and stir up trouble. She would be sent back to Sunspear, but her children neutralised in other ways.
@@LusiaEyre wasn’t one of the members of the nights watch a child?
@EMIBwahahalalalallalahahahahha Do you mean Ollie? Was he actually sworn in or just living at the wall as a potential recruit? I don't think Robert would risk Viserys or Aegon having a chance to escape before taking vows. It would be safer to have Ned keep an eye on the boy for as long as possible and then send him when he can actually make his vows quickly.
I actually think the situation with the Others and the wall would be better than in the main series, since everyone isn't fighting each other and with Ned still being around the realm probably won't ignore the wall when they send ravens and men to ask for help.
@@bluestar-4496 Everyone Isn't Fighting Each Other YET!
This was a much better thought-out "what if" than I've seen on other channels - would love to see more
Excellent video as always lads. Always grand to see more content from you. Keep up the good work and remember; Ours is the Fury!
I loved your longer videos so far !!
Keep it up plss
I love Thoms what if videos, they are the some of the most entertaining videos out there! Please keep making more!🤩❤
Been ruminating on this scenario today and kind of had some ideas/expansion for what you laid out.
1) Given that Robert and the North already had Daenerys living with them as a Ward, when it comes time for the Greyjoy Rebellion I'll take a shot in the dark and say that Robert send little Theon to Storm's End as a hostage under the Mannis.
2) I don't think Sansa would've actually traveled to King's Landing, or rather I don't think Ned or Catelyn would've allowed her. Ned wanted to bring Bran along and Catelyn requested Arya go to "correct" her behavior. Much as Sansa would've begged, she wouldn't have had a real place given that she isn't engaged to the prince.
3) You can probably reason that because Dany and Jon were close growing up, she is the one who convinces him to journey with them to King's Landing. I think Barristan Selmy takes an interest in Jon (because he's suspicious) and shocks everyone by offering to make the bastard his Squire.
I think the above 3 points leads to the domino effect with the War of 5 Kings. After Barristan is released from the Kingsguard by Joffrey I imagine he ends up declaring for Stannis during the actual war. The Greyjoys still raid the Northern coasts, but no Theon in the North means Winterfell never gets captured.
I think Ned has Jon and Arya flee from Kingslanding before shit really hits the fans.
What ifs are such an interesting idea for game of thrones and you are the first guys I’ve seen do it properly with the proper considerations
Yes please, more what ifs and I would like a longer video of this, but fun what ifs in general is an instant click from me
Fun, but I would really like to expand on what would happen if Theon was warded with Jon Arryn. That is to say, some time in King's Landing (probably when he's older) , but mostly in the Vale after the Greyjoy rebellion. Imagine him falling for Mya Stone, or her getting taken in by him, then he later spends some time in King's Landing and brags about it and Robert gets wind of it. What if Cersei decides to betroth them to spite Robert? Or even Robert liking Theon because they're somewhat similar until he hears about Mya and then friction forms.
You should do more what ifs and who could beat the mountain, do both
I would love part two of this! Brilliant video
"Liamisms" is one hell of a descriptor XD
You deserve so much more views and subscribers!
Not sure if you have done these ideas. But here are two involving the Mannis.
1- What if Stannis remained in King's Landing after the death of Jon Arryn?
2- What if Stannis was made Lord of Storm's End instead of Lord of Dragonstone?
This does setup the really unique potential that Theon gets brought as a Ward to someone completely different. Either Jon Arryan, Stannis, or maybe even Tywin Lannister. Any of those would be really different and interesting.
You are awesome Thom!
this was a great what-if and you should totally make an hour long video detailing how you think the rest of the timeline would play out
The wedding between Joffrey and Dany would be a breeding ground for chaos. The Martells and the Lannisters would feud because of the dead Elia & kids. Tyrells would try to plant seeds to grow into opportunities (Maybe have Margaery become one of Dany's ladies?). Edmure would just have a jolly good time and party. And Ned would struggle trying to keep them all from killing each other.
Do a what if the greens know about wild fire under the church.
I think it's very likely that Jon ends up at the Wall in this scenario, just later than scheduled. The minute he found out that Joff was abusing Daeny, he'd act. Assuming Bobby B was still alive, it's a safe bet that he'd have mercy and send him north.
Video is excellent lads. Another one to follow this up would be most welcome.
Should we call these the DomeVerse?
There are so many AI theroy channels lately i almost didnt click this video, glad i noticed who uploaded it😩
What if the mointain actualy lost? After so many 'who could' it would be interesting what would happen next.
I would live to see more what if videos. Im a big sucker for what ifs and you huys are hilarous.
HOW COULD YOU NOT LET DANNY MEET AEMON AT THE WALL!!!!
Love your work ❤
Well done Tom 👍😁
I like these guys, so many alternate stories just seem to forget about the DireWolves
Since What-Ifs are now on the table, heres one for the 1st day of the 4th month: What if Stannis had been able to get House Goodmen under his banners before the Battle against the Boltons?
a few thoughts
1) Theon is hostaged by either Tywin or Stannis. Could be either one, but personally I think Theon is going to have a LOT less leverage and such either in Casterly Rock OR Storm's End. Not sure which Bobby would think of but who knows.
We want more "what ifs"
Because this one was great
tom plzzzz do more. i really love this channel and this is the only section of the GOT thats not that well covered by you.
Excellent video. Feels a bit like we have a Tourney at Harenhall situation here.
Littlefinger will do well, but how will he survive Stannis, who i think will have Storm's End
You can almost hear the daggers being sharpened at the end.
You should do how each house would win for HOTD edition such as house velaryon, the greens side of house targaryen and the blacks side of house targaryen or even house targaryen as whole before or after viserys death.
Why could Robert have him renounce his claim and put him on dragonstone or marry Stannis daughter?
Thank you Tom 👏
Do a video on how history would change if if Catelyn & Lysa Tully and Petr Baelish all drowned in the river as kids at Riverrun.
I think these what ifs are fantastic. As someone who olay the miniatures game i am used to having what if scenarios. Much more thought out than what seems to a bunch of AI written videos out there
Bobby B would swing the hammer himself, no question about it at all. He was never taking Targ prisoners.
I can see them sending visery to the wall because it would be suicide for the loyalist to even try to rebel.
First, they would have to convince the entire wall to rebel that includes the ones who are not Targaryen Loyalists, who could just be cowards, criminals, or ex loyalists of other groups. I can see Benin Stark warning Ned ahead of time.
Second Then they would have to march through the North who not only will die for Ned Stark has some of the best warriors. They would get obliterated before a single house even considers siding with them.
Third even if they decide to rebel, there is less than a 1,000 people at the Wall which is not enough to march onto Winter fell let alone Westeros.
So I think it would be safe to send them.
Tweak: Rob goes South with Ned and Daenerys for a double wedding - Joff to Dany, Rob to Myrcella - and, as in GOT, Cat, freaking out about Jon being the senior "stark" male kid if he stays in Winterfell, recommends he go to the Wall, and Jon agrees, because he's secretly in love with Dany and super depressed she's going to marry Joff. There! I SAVED SAM. ;)
... But oh noes, I may have doomed Rob.... didn't think that one out....
Hello! Please do a Jon Snow vs. Grey Worm trial by combat. I personally think Jon is better trained for single combats and Longclaw gives him an edge too but I'd love to see your analysis as always.
Video Ideas
How House Martell could have won the game of thrones.
How House Bolton could have won the game of thrones.
What event doomed Robb Stark the most?
Who Really won the Dance of the Dragons. Which leads into videos on how the Blacks and the Greens could have won/won by more.
What if the others attacked during Roberts rebellion?
Robert, Stannis and Ned easily defeat the others.
In this case we are saved the absolute waste of ink on a page and screen time of the daenarys story. Massive W if it happened tbh, shame Bob couldn't get it done.
I am genuinely curious for an expansion of this. I'm interested where this could go.
Great work...
And that officially makes three "What If" GOT channels I watch ^^;
Given the scenario of Danny being in the North with the Starks i wonder which of the girls she would get one with best Sansa or Arya, Sansa and Danny are closer in age but Sansa was more clod to Jon then the other Starks, Arya is more rebellious and here natrue was why she bonded with Jon. Would be quite funny to see scenes of Danny and Arya trolling Sansa when they are younger.
thank you tom
what if john snow accepted stanis offer ?
what if the wildlings bend the knee to stannis
part 2 please
I liked this and would like another one my scenario is what if Caitlyn didn't let Jamie go
What about sending Viserys to the Citidal and have him become a Maester?
So I can blame Thom for this one. Cool.
Tonight is gunna be good
Hmmm. I think one significant unmentioned element is what happens to the Mannis? Stannis having succeeded in his task means he has a better case to not only inherit the Stormlands but to marry someone other that Selyse. He has no major failure on his resume to piss Robert off. That has too many implications to ignore.
For one, assuming the incest occurs, Stannis is in a much more powerful position, Renly a weaker one and they are more likely to be willing to tell Robert. A Renly without the Stormlands has no route to power except his Brother’s good graces.
And as an aside, Marrying Dany to Joffrey is a solid through line, but honestly I find the idea of a Dany/Jon romance so off putting I will defile canon to stop it. This is coloured by the show which proclaimed an epic love without giving us a single reason to believe it had occurred and I really hated that. But also I find Jon a better character when his arc is not about romance. And his arc with Ygritte was not about the love story.
I disagree on the no dragons line.
Irlio gave Dany those Dragons (i'm sure I butchered that name. The dude from Pentos) and he's a close ally of Varys. I could almost see Varys give the eggs to Dany, or arrange for another person who wants favor with the crown, give her the eggs.
Now how do they hatch? That's less clear, but we KNOW there's power in the blood of kings, so maybe Dany hatches them by accident during some civil unrest that's caused by one of the 3 chaos elements in Varys, Baelish, or Oberyn. Maybe Bobby B dies or Joffrey dies and during their funeral Dany, as a sign of respect, puts the eggs in the fire as a ceremonial thing and they hatch.
Idk, but I'm sure there's PLENTY of opportunities for the eggs to hatch. They are destined to after all so the magic WILL find a way to make it happen.
Man, this entire alternate history of the story has sooo many possibilities. This could be a series. Told from different POV's based on who we want to win.
We can do a Dany POV, a Jon POV, a Lannister POV, the list goes on
You guys should rank the 40k primarchs
Robert wanted those two to be killed. Or you have them be boy or servant of the crown after they just finished off their dynasty?
Tom is the GOAT
Always wondered what if Ella and her survived.
I always thought that Elia would go back to Sunspear but there is no way in hell Robert would let her keep her children to plot and stir up trouble. Aegon as a boy would have been the more dangerous potential claimant, so I can see Robert giving him to Ned as a hostage ward to keep out of sight in the North until he's old enough to join the Night's Watch. Rhaenys would either be betrothed to Robert's future heir (common way of dealing with old dynasty daughters) or made to become a septa or a silent sister. They would not be allowed to marry and have children who could inherit their claims and stir up trouble in the future.
I wonder what Jaime's thoughts would be. He ended her father and failed her brother and his children. Now his son is betrothed to her. Would he actively hinder Cersei trying to do anything to Daenerys? Would anyone trust him around her if he began to spend more time around her to take steps to protect her? And would people suspect foul-play from him if she does die?
My personal fun story idea is have Jaime shipped off the Winterfell with Dany. Cersei will throw a fit for sure but as the future wife to the king she could warrant a Kingsguard, and it “punishes” Tywin in a grand gesture as a way of apologising for what happened to Elia.
I don’t think it a likely outcome, but it happening would I reckon be a great idea. And it would be interesting to see who Cersei cheats on Robert with without her twin around.
@@neodigremo I'd considered that too, but at some point I think he'd snap after "Kingslayer this" and "Kingslayer that" without Cersei. Though, there might actually be a heart-to-heart with Ned and a younger Jaime about the Wildfire plot. Whether or not Ned believes it is a different story.
@@sardonically-inclined7645 Well overall Jaime's level of goodness is inversely proportional to the time he spends with Cersei. The further away he gets the more his positive traits should come to the foreground.
game of thrones without plot armor & magic what would that look like
Part 2 please??
Love you Tom!!!!
What if Cersei is assinated what if Tyrion kills Cersei instead of Tywin?
We're getting some Targaryen-style pancakes.
He condoned the deaths of the babies but he didn't do it himself so he probably wouldn't do it. Letting it slide is one thing, doing it himself he probably wouldn't. Not then anyway. By the time he got to the main series, probably not.
I usually go with the second pronunciation for Rhaella. But yeah, Viserys is... complicated. The Wall is probably the best choice but that might not be feasible. You'll need Ned's men, yeah, but it'd be tough either way. As for execution... and yeah, the Wall is a problem with all those loyalists there. Honestly, besides execution, and really, could just pin that on Tywin again, I'd probably say exile to Essos under constant guard. Or send him to the Dothraki Sea and see what happens.
I'd say marry Daenerys to a midway powerful minor lord. Ward to the North... it makes sense but I've seen too many fanfics with that and I hate the way they tend to work but yeah, this works. No Targaryen loyalists, no, definitely not. Marrying Robert's heir? Oh, now that's a good idea. That gives even more legitimacy to Robert's dynasty. I like this. Poor Cat, yeah.
Also, I'd say that Stannis might get to keep Storm's End since he brought the Targaryen kids to Robert. As for Theon... give him to Tywin, sure, why not.
My bets are on mostly canon shit until here, yeah, so Jon Arryn's dead. Myrcella and Robb or Myrcella and Bran I think will be the option. Robb is the most likely option, so George will like that. Jon and Dany being close... yeah, that works. I'm gonna say they keep platonic because yeah, no thanks, I've seen that too many times. Remind me not to tell you about all the Jon/Arya fics.
Jon going to King's Landing with Dany to be her Kingsguard... hmm. Not sure if that's the plan you're going with but I like that idea. As for Jon and Joffrey? Hmm, I do like that idea. I don't know about the Sansa part. Given Joffrey will end up acting like a bit of a twat to Dany who Sansa might be close to, she might see him for who he is sooner. Or she might go full jealous, either works.
Ah, Cersei. Good old Cersei, can always count on her to be a maniac. Oh, three Direwolves at King's Landing? Oh boy.
Big ass guest list, huh? Last time this many important people were in one place was Harrenhal. To answer the questions you ask about where this'll go, yes to Ned, friction is there, Oberyn will poison every Lannister, Barristan probably has an existential crisis, Mace will try to push Margaery towards Renly I'd imagine or try to have Dany killed somehow (or maybe Marge for Tommen, but yes, he tries), yes to Cersei assassinating Robert, probably no to Varys killing a lord, at least not yet because I imagine he'd wait a while, yes to Baelish because it's Baelish.
Oh yeah, no Wall which means the Others are going to kill everyone. Excellent. Where this'd go... ok, if I tried to go through it would take way too long so not gonna do it in this comment. I'd need to go to the Discord to go over this and even then it'd probably be too much.
Anyway, loved this vid. I'd love more what ifs but I get the algorithm and all. This was a lot of fun.
Wouldn’t Danny mother still be alive she didn’t die till they got to Essos I think 🤔
This is Baratheon propaganda, but I fall for it. And all the jokes are as awesome as always
Does anyone think Jeffrey would be so evil if Robert lived? Probably not right
What if jamie had not been captured? The war of the 5 kings would hvae been very different.
Thom the goat
Brospect to tom this one
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Nice what-if. (Drink every time is said “jokes aside 😂”) However… I think that they still being alive is still a liability. for sure viserys has to die as any male heir is always a risk no matter what oaths they swore (unless you are Eddard stark ofc). As for Danny well, idk. Yeah she might be spared as she is a woman and 8 months old hence does not have any memories of her family ruling compared to viserys (she only had the stories he and others told her about her family) who had 8 years to see his family rule and being dethroned. However at some point she will become a liability because who know what affection she might develop (with Jon or Robb or any other man) because she might flee with that person and might rally support to dethrone whoever is the king because even if she can’t technically be the queen her son can (hence why Robert wanted her dead in the main series). So yeah the only card Robert can deal is marry her to Joffrey and entrusting her to Ned. However if we stick with the whole Jon snow is aegon Targaryen… putting her with Ned is also a time bomb because both are targaryens and Ned knows that and should they fall in love then they both have a better claim and probably the north would back them when things go sour with the south. Robb can support them as he will still be warden of the north and can even guarantee a kingdom in the north by backing them in exchange for that promise. Although one must have the evidence to proof that Jon is a Targaryen instead of fully trusting the words of an invalid and a friend of the guy who’s this guy because he read it on a book… a book that could say anything and be written by anybody who has access to it (dam I hate the writing of the show).
Let’s go!
7:00 gave ME an anurism... Jon has brown hair in the books....curse you D&D for making Show Jon black-haired and getting that image stuck in peoples minds ( I know its a nitpick I am of course (half) joking)
Go Thom!
And why not Visareys Be Made A ward Also Why
I'd say because he's already 8, he would already be loyal to the Targaryan name and Robert didn't want to test which side that coin landed on as he got older. Daeny would have been seen as easier to control as a female in a medieval society compared to Vis who a large number would see as the rightful King
What if the dire wolf gave Joffrey rabies?
PART 2
viserys getting destroyed every video :)
Tom you are Ignoring me
First!
Algorithm appeasing comment.