I agree basically with all of this. Except I don’t think the horn is broken. I think, like Dragonbinder, it has to be blown within hearing of the thing it’s meant to call. You can’t sit on the Iron Isles and call a dragon in Essos, and you can’t blow the horn of winter from the Fist and wake dead Starks in the Winterfell Crypts. I believe the practical limits on the horn is why it’s so far away at the moment. Sam can learn what it does in Oldtown, and then there will be a period of tension for the reader while Sam races against the end of the world to get back to Winterfell.
@@JacktheRah Not necessarily the crypts, but I agree it would have to be somewhere in (or very close to) Winterfell so we can see their dramatic emergence.
Or maybe it simply does not work north of the Wall because the Wall itself is a magic barrier. Maybe if Sam blows it from Oldtown it will work? It's also likely it requires some form of ritual instead of just blowing.
5:30 i visualise this as the animation in fromsoft games where you try to use an item that you don't have high enough Faith or Intelligence so your character tries to use it and just shakes it around in frustration before scratching their head
'I am the horn that wakes the sleepers' says it all I think. The sleep is death. Also interesting to note that it is yet another Elric ripoff. When Elric blows the horn the old world ends and a new one begins. So once the horn is blown in ASOIAF the world is going to change drastically. Given Martin's penchant for borrowing we can assume the HoW to either wake the ancient dead beneath winterfell or wake the stone dragon or perhaps both.
For me this video has raised some questions that I never thought about. 1. Do the OTHER know that humans found the horn and that why they attacked The Fist? 2. If the horn can summon the dead, then did Jon accidentally call them to the Fist? 3. Dose the horn make a sound that only the dead can hear, but the living can't? 4. Dose the horn only work when a Stark blows it? Because Jon not a Stark. 5. If they get the horn to work, what is the price for using it? These are just some theories that came to me when watching this. I hope we learn more in Winds of Winter.
Damn! I see a horn on one of your thumbnails and thought you were finally going to explain Boromir's horn and how it magically splits down the center to me😂
Hes not going to come up with anything or will barely speculate on unexplained things. One thing I dislike about the channel is 90% of videos just summarize info like hes reading wiki.
@@BoHorn As someone who is interested enough in these topics to watch videos about it but not enough to read a few million words worth of wiki articles, I don't see a problem with that.
I think that the Horn of Winter wakes up the spirits of the old kings of the North and Stark wardens that are sleeping in the statues in the Winterfell crypts. These awakened spirits will then warg into the wolves of that massive now thousands-strong wolf pack Nymeria (Arya's dire wolf) has formed in the Riverlands, and they will be a decisive battlefield component that helps to turn the tide against the Others if/when the Wall falls and the wights invade southwards.
I think that the reason for the Starks being condemned to be stored in the crypt until they are needed to fight is probably some form of original sin relating back to the Night's King. This is assuming we believe that the Night's King was Bradon Stark. Because of his actions he cursed the Stark's bloodline. Maybe literally cursed with magic but maybe the Starks were forced to or forced themselves to bury their dead in the crypts as a sort of punishment as well as a form of loyal service to Westeros to forever protect it even from themselves should it be necessary. At some point becoming a tradition they would follow without knowing the origins. This feels in character with the modern Starks we got to know and how the Starks are seen through history. It's probably not the entire explanaition but I actually think that this could be something like that.
Oh that’s a cool idea!!!! I’ve never heard this theory but it makes so much sense! It could also explain why part of the crypt is caved in and not repaired, it could be where the statues came alive before and there could be a ton of damage (or the Starks don’t want people to see that there are statues missing)
The art just brings the books and characters to life. Awsome stuff as always and I hope that we can at least gets busts of most of the named characters in GRRM's legendarium.
I really like this collection. Thank you! I’d love to hear your thoughts on the snow model of Winterfell that Sansa made while she was at The Eyrie. When I read that part it felt important. Thank you again for your scholarship.
Does this relate to the part of the crypts that is collapsed? Have the statues there then already risen when the horn was blown by Joramund and are now "spent" or even non-existent? And the part collapsed to keep them hidden or the secret of what the horn does safe? I'm not sure if I understood correctly why this part of the crypts was collapsed, but iirc it was collapsed during the time of or after the night's king, right? Looking forward to y'all's thoughts on this xD
Second this. I also think that Bran the Breaker had to 'break' the horn to put the Stark kings back to rest after they woke up to deal with the Night King. This also explains the damage to the crypts - collateral damage if you like.
Was thinking this as well. I believe it's also why there must be a Stark in Winterfell. That's how it's actually blown. Bran the breaker could've also broken whatever the alliance was with the king north of the wall.
As someone who plays Trumpet, unless you are very lucky to hit on the technique or have had a brass player show you how to play brass instruments, you're probably just "blowing air" through the horn. The trick is that you're not blowing into the horn, but buzzing your lips into the horn, and the horn amplifies and changes the sound. Chances are, the horns described in the Song of Ice and Fire are like shofarot, or carved out ram's horns, and they play exactly like a brass instrument. Now, I doubt Geroge RR Martin knows this fact. Maybe he does play brass. However, I expect he's probably using this as "only the chosen person" may blow the horn.
You know, in my experience, how brass instruments work is common knowledge. I would be shocked to find out GRRM doesn't know how brass instruments (and therefore horns) work. I would be surprised to learn anyone over 25 didn't know how they work, really. It's like not knowing pianos have strings. So, I imagine it probably makes a sound the living can't hear, simply enough
I feel like he was test airing the actual ending, or something like it, and it did not fly well. Now he has to rewrite it all, and it's going to take forever
I think it's possible that the "sound" the horn makes is only for the Others. The Fist of the First Men is embattled after Sam tries the horn. Maybe the reason it had dragonglass with it is because whoever buried it wanted those who found it to be able to protect it. If the Others use it, maybe their language or essence will power the fall of the wall.
Joramun was the first King Beyond the Wall. He probably wasnt a wildling, or at least didn't live north of the Wall, until Bran "broke" their alliance exiling him beyond the Wall. Maybe Joramun kept the Horn or stole it later (Bael the Bard style). It probably takes someone with the blood of both lineages to make the Horn work. Ygritte reminds us that Starks and Wildlings share blood. But also take note that the Danes are blonde blue eyed First Men, like Val. Like Valyrians. Maybe Starks are supposed to be. Stark is commonly used to describe the color white, as in "stark white". What if Starks originally had Valyrian coloring, but Bran the Breaker broke that line. Maybe Bael the Bard did when he left his child in Winterfell. But Val may have the original Stark (aka Valyrian/Dane/Joramun) blood. Jorah is a northerner and he married a blonde haired, blue eyed girl that favors Dany. Val might be the one who needs to blow the horn.
I have to say, this video has gotten me a bit excited for ASOIAF/Game of Thrones again. There's so much depth that the television series lacked, I really hope we'll see how it ends and how it all ties together.
I like the parts of the script you reused from the first time you touched this topic (in your secrets of winterfell series), but you provided enough additional detail that this acts as a final draft of the years old videos
Im pretty sure it was pretty explicit when Martin described Bran «the breaker» being called that because he broke his father’s «Bran the Shipwright» ships. It even mentioned that the North didnt have a navy since Bran the Breaker destroyed it
This theory is also supported by the collapsed area of the crypts - both that the collapse would be around the time the Horn was blown and that the Breaker would collapse the "used" portion of the crypt along with breaking the horn.
I think Joramun was the first Dayne. We have no direct stories of Dayne's during the Long Night and yet they have Dawn (probly the original Ice) which means they absolutely had to be involved in the first Long Night. I think its Joramun. He helped the Stark of Winterfell take down the Night's King which is how Ice/Dawn is forged. The first Dayne didnt follow a falling star to forge Dawn. He forged it in the heart of a fallen Stark remembered as the Night's King (probably Brandon of the Bloody Blade).
For the horn as a piece inspired by other media - for me it's much more likely to be along the lines of The Horn of Valere from the wheel of time. Found early, given to an unlikely hero, brings back (or likely to) the heroes of old. And the hunts for the horn, while different, are not what finds the fabled horn.
I personally subscribe to "Michael Talks About Stuff" channel's theory that the Wall is a line of giant weirwoods and "waking giants from the earth" means the horn makes them shake off the accumulated wall of ice.
@Giovypotens To break the Wall. I highly recommend watching the videos, it's a very interesting theory with surprising amount of corroborating evidence.
If you’re looking for a literary reference for a horn which brings dead heroes to fight for you, I wouldn’t have picked the Oathbreakers in LotR. The most recent example I know GRRM is familiar with would be the Horn of Valere in The Wheel of Time which is based on the horn that will signal the beginning of Ragnarok
If anything "waking" the giants to me sounds more like it brought forth the wall, as in giants inside the wall, similar to attack on titan, which would imply them being the walls and the wall being destroyed is them being released/awoken. That being said, besides the similar wording i doubt this to actually be the case
Hello Robert, this is ArdTiarna BasicallyBaconSandvich IV VanRumpelrug. Jon Coldfyre leading an army of Giant Stone Lords and Wolves to fight the Others beyond the Wall is an incredibly epic visual. I am going to sleep now, and I shall bring this thought into my slumber, to calm my turbulent maelstrom of thoughts I call my mind, Thank You Robert.
Echoes of the Horn of Valere as well, from Wheel of Time. Not so much imitation as it is that they're drawing from the same source material, I imagine. :)
Yeah, this is what I thought of when this theory started going around. The Great Hunt was published in 1990, the year before GRRM started writing ASOIAF.
Makes me think of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time and the Horn of Valere. Blowing it brings back dead heroes for the last battle. I wonder if the Horn of Winter is a homage to WoT.
Leyton Hightower will take the horn, fix it and blow to raise his giant mechs hidden under the tower against the krakens summoned by Euron Greyjoy, mark my words
Once the horn is blown are the statues going to come to life or are the spirits of the people who have statues going to be awoken? I personally would like it if it turned out that the spirits are housed in the weirwood and once the horn is fixed and blown those spirits will inhabit the bodies of the other greenseers that Bran saw hooked up to the weirwood in Bloodraven's cave (giants might also be a bit ironic because I assume most of these greenseers that have wasted away in bloodraven's cave are children of the forest and they are a notoriously small race)
Sam has the Horn of Winter, I think. On the other hand this is GRRM, he could easier point all the foreshadowing at that horn and have it be a complete red herring, kill Sam and have something horrible happen to Gilly. We legit don't know.
I think the Horn works and it calls the others, its just silent. Jon basically uses it and then the others attack, and I think its being built up so that it can be blown from atop the Hightower when Euron takes it in WOW.
Yeah, all of these lore channels and fans are delusional. ASOIAF is done, fatboy George is never going to finish them and he can't tbh... He's made a story that's too big and has too many characters to complete in a neat way. Someone did a mathematical breakdown of all the POVs and side stories and it isn't mathematically possible to be wrapped up in two 1500 page booms.
@@louiscassis3426 none of your business why i am here at least i am not a gibbering delusional psychopath who thinks fatboy georgie is going to finish these books. Get help dude.
I like the idea that it is nothing more than a bullhorn, but doesn't amplify human speech. Instead if used by someone able to talk with trees, Howland Reed for example, it could penetrate the ice of the Wall and wake the giant weirwood trees within it who will shake and bring down entire sections of the Wall with their movement. And yes there is some evidence of this happening at the Tower of Joy to trap Arthur Dayne. There was clearly a weirwood there or Bran with his skill at the time would not be able to view Ned's fight. Jojen and Mira tell Bran that their father could speak with trees. This might also describe how Arthur was buried beneath the rock of the Tower if the roots had moved under Howland's instruction and broke the foundation apart. A similar thing could bring down part of the wall as in the story of overtaking the Night's Fort. Only that the millenia of ice has made the trees there somewhat deaf. The (bull)horn would be needed to wake them up. Exactly why this would be needed is unclear. Except to say that the undying physical bodies of the Others strapped to the imbedded trees will need to be reached to enact the prophesy that All Men Must Die.
The Wall Jorimund’s horn blew down was at most Cailin. When it says Jorimund AND the King of the Wildlings it’s a little joke cause they’re talking about the same person cause the Northerners were considered Wildlings.
Needs to be blown south of the wall/in wintertell. That’s why it was hidden in the far north. The magic of the wall blocked the “signal” to the ancient Starks? So maybe it will actually work now if it’s blown by Jon.
A bit unrelated to the video, but I've always wondered why Joramun and the wildlings got involved in fighting the Night's King. It makes sense for the Starks to get into this fight, helping the Night's Watch and defending the North from him. But why did the wildings bother? I mean, in theory, they are scattered north of the Wall, I don't assume he had direct influence in their everyday lives. So why feel the need to fight him, so much so that they allied with Winterfell? What was their motivation?
Were there starks to wake when the horn was first blown? I thought Bran created the crypts, so it either wasn't created yet, or would have very little starks buried in it.
Maybe Bran the *broken* can blow the "broken" horn and have it work, given that Bran is the most magical of the Starks and the linguistics little hints that are sprinkled all over
Tbh got was refreshing because it felt moments matter, people and events unfold and it all gets diminished when there are thousands of years of plans and shemes of undead in the back But some dif that 😅😂
It needs a mouthpiece. It is needed to focus the vibration of air passing through your lips. Curious what the in world name for it would be. The mouthpiece of the dawn, The wakening, etc
I doubt the Horn of Winter is going to resurrect an army of Stark king statues. Just think how silly a climax that would be for the series. A believe the theory in Alt Shift X's video that "wake giants from the earth" is figurative referring to creating massive earthquakes (which is the same phrase used to describe the magical breaking of the Arm of Dorne)
Brandon the Breaker broke the deal agreed upon after the war of Children of the Forest and First Man, aka the war that brought and ended The Long Night. Since the agreement was broken, Children and Three eyed raven (every hundred years in a new stolen body) have been rebuilding the White Walkers to take Westeros under their rule (Three eyed raven tells us and everyone repeatedly he isnt Bran anymore and takes the crown by saying "Why do you think I came all this way south" and this was said to be GRRM planned ending by his instructions to the show creators) . Coldhands knows about their plan as he serves them but doesnt agree and has left the Horn of Winter and dragonglass for man to find. Horn is used to protect Winterfell and was probably stolen or lost during the Night Kings war . Its not broken but probably cant be used by Jon as he has fire blood in him and this is a Horn of Winter and pure north Starks can probably use it just fine as they are the Kings of Winter. Jon is a "bastard" in eyes of pure ice magic and him being a bastard to Ned Stark and being called a bastard soo many times is just one more clue. GRRM calls the horn broken as it was probably part of the deal that was broken.
There is no way until the next book I can believe that Three Eyed Raven is a force for good for the First man and the Andals. I think he carries the memories of the past glory they had before the First man ever set foot on Westeros and him and the Children want revenge
The ancient Winterfell secrets and prophecies are the most intriguing part of ASOIAF for me, this series you've been working on is incredible
I agree basically with all of this. Except I don’t think the horn is broken. I think, like Dragonbinder, it has to be blown within hearing of the thing it’s meant to call. You can’t sit on the Iron Isles and call a dragon in Essos, and you can’t blow the horn of winter from the Fist and wake dead Starks in the Winterfell Crypts.
I believe the practical limits on the horn is why it’s so far away at the moment. Sam can learn what it does in Oldtown, and then there will be a period of tension for the reader while Sam races against the end of the world to get back to Winterfell.
Good guess!
I agree with your conclusion. There probably will be a scene where Jon goes to the crypts and blows the horn and then the statues come alive.
GRRM having his self insert save the day would be incredibly funny
@@JacktheRah Not necessarily the crypts, but I agree it would have to be somewhere in (or very close to) Winterfell so we can see their dramatic emergence.
Or maybe it simply does not work north of the Wall because the Wall itself is a magic barrier. Maybe if Sam blows it from Oldtown it will work?
It's also likely it requires some form of ritual instead of just blowing.
Absolutely loving this series!
Plot twist: The real Horn of Winter is the Horn of Herrock owned by Kennos of Kayce.
The Dragon skulls are described the same way as the dead Starks. Eyes watching as they pass.
Good catch. I didn’t think about that
What do I think? I think this series is awesome. The hard work put into these videos shines through. Your eloquence and study are a treat. Thanks you.
5:30 i visualise this as the animation in fromsoft games where you try to use an item that you don't have high enough Faith or Intelligence so your character tries to use it and just shakes it around in frustration before scratching their head
'I am the horn that wakes the sleepers' says it all I think. The sleep is death. Also interesting to note that it is yet another Elric ripoff. When Elric blows the horn the old world ends and a new one begins. So once the horn is blown in ASOIAF the world is going to change drastically. Given Martin's penchant for borrowing we can assume the HoW to either wake the ancient dead beneath winterfell or wake the stone dragon or perhaps both.
“Wake dragons/giants from stone” probably means an earthquake, which would bring down the wall I assume.
TBF, there a lot of myths involving a horn and great things. Many of which involve calling back the dead. SO Elric "ripped it off" of some other tale.
Aww maybe Jon will be able to see/talk to his momma when her statue wakes up 😂
For me this video has raised some questions that I never thought about.
1. Do the OTHER know that humans found the horn and that why they attacked The Fist?
2. If the horn can summon the dead, then did Jon accidentally call them to the Fist?
3. Dose the horn make a sound that only the dead can hear, but the living can't?
4. Dose the horn only work when a Stark blows it? Because Jon not a Stark.
5. If they get the horn to work, what is the price for using it?
These are just some theories that came to me when watching this. I hope we learn more in Winds of Winter.
Damn! I see a horn on one of your thumbnails and thought you were finally going to explain Boromir's horn and how it magically splits down the center to me😂
Easy. Magic.
@Mitsoxfan 🧐I see
There was a seam where the parts were glued together, simple as that
Hes not going to come up with anything or will barely speculate on unexplained things. One thing I dislike about the channel is 90% of videos just summarize info like hes reading wiki.
@@BoHorn As someone who is interested enough in these topics to watch videos about it but not enough to read a few million words worth of wiki articles, I don't see a problem with that.
I think that the Horn of Winter wakes up the spirits of the old kings of the North and Stark wardens that are sleeping in the statues in the Winterfell crypts. These awakened spirits will then warg into the wolves of that massive now thousands-strong wolf pack Nymeria (Arya's dire wolf) has formed in the Riverlands, and they will be a decisive battlefield component that helps to turn the tide against the Others if/when the Wall falls and the wights invade southwards.
Ooohhh I love that! With Nymeria being warged into by Arya! Except she will go north, the Others won't come south
Maybe it’s just a fancy thing to drink ale with?
The Liver Breaker
@paulconrad6220 A certified pub legend, many a drunks have spent millenia looking for Liver Breaker
I think that the reason for the Starks being condemned to be stored in the crypt until they are needed to fight is probably some form of original sin relating back to the Night's King. This is assuming we believe that the Night's King was Bradon Stark. Because of his actions he cursed the Stark's bloodline. Maybe literally cursed with magic but maybe the Starks were forced to or forced themselves to bury their dead in the crypts as a sort of punishment as well as a form of loyal service to Westeros to forever protect it even from themselves should it be necessary. At some point becoming a tradition they would follow without knowing the origins. This feels in character with the modern Starks we got to know and how the Starks are seen through history.
It's probably not the entire explanaition but I actually think that this could be something like that.
Oh that’s a cool idea!!!! I’ve never heard this theory but it makes so much sense! It could also explain why part of the crypt is caved in and not repaired, it could be where the statues came alive before and there could be a ton of damage (or the Starks don’t want people to see that there are statues missing)
💯💯💯I was thinking the same thing about the caved in portion!
@ so glad I’m not alone there!
The art just brings the books and characters to life. Awsome stuff as always and I hope that we can at least gets busts of most of the named characters in GRRM's legendarium.
I really like this collection. Thank you!
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the snow model of Winterfell that Sansa made while she was at The Eyrie. When I read that part it felt important.
Thank you again for your scholarship.
Does this relate to the part of the crypts that is collapsed? Have the statues there then already risen when the horn was blown by Joramund and are now "spent" or even non-existent? And the part collapsed to keep them hidden or the secret of what the horn does safe? I'm not sure if I understood correctly why this part of the crypts was collapsed, but iirc it was collapsed during the time of or after the night's king, right?
Looking forward to y'all's thoughts on this xD
This is how I understand it, too.
Second this. I also think that Bran the Breaker had to 'break' the horn to put the Stark kings back to rest after they woke up to deal with the Night King. This also explains the damage to the crypts - collateral damage if you like.
That’s what I took from this too. That’s where the statues rose the first time.
@@beabarber4300he also “broke” the crypts in that sense.
Was thinking this as well. I believe it's also why there must be a Stark in Winterfell. That's how it's actually blown.
Bran the breaker could've also broken whatever the alliance was with the king north of the wall.
Thank you, Robert.
The horniest video to date
As someone who plays Trumpet, unless you are very lucky to hit on the technique or have had a brass player show you how to play brass instruments, you're probably just "blowing air" through the horn. The trick is that you're not blowing into the horn, but buzzing your lips into the horn, and the horn amplifies and changes the sound. Chances are, the horns described in the Song of Ice and Fire are like shofarot, or carved out ram's horns, and they play exactly like a brass instrument.
Now, I doubt Geroge RR Martin knows this fact. Maybe he does play brass. However, I expect he's probably using this as "only the chosen person" may blow the horn.
Maybe Jon Snow has a teardrop lip 😂
You know, in my experience, how brass instruments work is common knowledge. I would be shocked to find out GRRM doesn't know how brass instruments (and therefore horns) work. I would be surprised to learn anyone over 25 didn't know how they work, really. It's like not knowing pianos have strings.
So, I imagine it probably makes a sound the living can't hear, simply enough
Sam has the Horn of Winter. But it only works south of the wall. Or maybe it only works in the crypts or winterfell.
Tragic that HBO wrote their own ending.
I feel like he was test airing the actual ending, or something like it, and it did not fly well. Now he has to rewrite it all, and it's going to take forever
If only the author was still alive to give them direction on the ending, or maybe even finish the books to remove all doubt.
Bran The Builder down in the crypts doing builder things. Crucifying people who are also undead to feed his power. Truly, 'The Last Hero.'
Brann the broken, our cripple guy, the new three eye crow, may be the one to blow it with some greenseer wind thingy to.. some effect?
Oooh! That also would make sense.
I like this idea too.
I think it's possible that the "sound" the horn makes is only for the Others. The Fist of the First Men is embattled after Sam tries the horn. Maybe the reason it had dragonglass with it is because whoever buried it wanted those who found it to be able to protect it. If the Others use it, maybe their language or essence will power the fall of the wall.
Joramun was the first King Beyond the Wall. He probably wasnt a wildling, or at least didn't live north of the Wall, until Bran "broke" their alliance exiling him beyond the Wall.
Maybe Joramun kept the Horn or stole it later (Bael the Bard style). It probably takes someone with the blood of both lineages to make the Horn work. Ygritte reminds us that Starks and Wildlings share blood.
But also take note that the Danes are blonde blue eyed First Men, like Val. Like Valyrians. Maybe Starks are supposed to be. Stark is commonly used to describe the color white, as in "stark white". What if Starks originally had Valyrian coloring, but Bran the Breaker broke that line. Maybe Bael the Bard did when he left his child in Winterfell. But Val may have the original Stark (aka Valyrian/Dane/Joramun) blood.
Jorah is a northerner and he married a blonde haired, blue eyed girl that favors Dany. Val might be the one who needs to blow the horn.
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Genius. Robert, you have the best takes. You make me confident that the books will have a far more epic ending than the show.
I have to say, this video has gotten me a bit excited for ASOIAF/Game of Thrones again. There's so much depth that the television series lacked, I really hope we'll see how it ends and how it all ties together.
maybe there must always be a Stark in Winterfell because only a Stark can blow the Horn of Winter to wake the dead Stark army
Maybe it needs some type of a hollowing reed inside of it.
I'm a massive well told tale fan and it feels weird to hear Robert not reading HG wells or someone
13:26 Also the Horn of Valere from the Wheel of Time.
What was the Night's King's tax policy?
Commenting for the algorithm. I havent been watching as religiously as i used to but youre still my og asoiaf channel.
I like the parts of the script you reused from the first time you touched this topic (in your secrets of winterfell series), but you provided enough additional detail that this acts as a final draft of the years old videos
And maybe THAT'S why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell 🫢
Is it possible that Jon’s failed attempt to blow the horn is what brought the others and the whites down on the Fist of the First Men?
I wonder if the ruined part of the crypts date from 800 years earlier?
Im pretty sure it was pretty explicit when Martin described Bran «the breaker» being called that because he broke his father’s «Bran the Shipwright» ships. It even mentioned that the North didnt have a navy since Bran the Breaker destroyed it
This theory is also supported by the collapsed area of the crypts - both that the collapse would be around the time the Horn was blown and that the Breaker would collapse the "used" portion of the crypt along with breaking the horn.
I think Joramun was the first Dayne. We have no direct stories of Dayne's during the Long Night and yet they have Dawn (probly the original Ice) which means they absolutely had to be involved in the first Long Night. I think its Joramun. He helped the Stark of Winterfell take down the Night's King which is how Ice/Dawn is forged. The first Dayne didnt follow a falling star to forge Dawn. He forged it in the heart of a fallen Stark remembered as the Night's King (probably Brandon of the Bloody Blade).
For the horn as a piece inspired by other media - for me it's much more likely to be along the lines of The Horn of Valere from the wheel of time. Found early, given to an unlikely hero, brings back (or likely to) the heroes of old. And the hunts for the horn, while different, are not what finds the fabled horn.
I thought the same thing, though that horn is also probably inspired by the dead in LOTR
The idea of raising the stone army imbued with magic is similar to the story of the Golem.
I personally subscribe to "Michael Talks About Stuff" channel's theory that the Wall is a line of giant weirwoods and "waking giants from the earth" means the horn makes them shake off the accumulated wall of ice.
But then why they used it?
@Giovypotens To break the Wall. I highly recommend watching the videos, it's a very interesting theory with surprising amount of corroborating evidence.
If you’re looking for a literary reference for a horn which brings dead heroes to fight for you, I wouldn’t have picked the Oathbreakers in LotR. The most recent example I know GRRM is familiar with would be the Horn of Valere in The Wheel of Time which is based on the horn that will signal the beginning of Ragnarok
If anything "waking" the giants to me sounds more like it brought forth the wall, as in giants inside the wall, similar to attack on titan, which would imply them being the walls and the wall being destroyed is them being released/awoken.
That being said, besides the similar wording i doubt this to actually be the case
What a great series!
Hello Robert, this is ArdTiarna BasicallyBaconSandvich IV VanRumpelrug.
Jon Coldfyre leading an army of Giant Stone Lords and Wolves to fight the Others beyond the Wall is an incredibly epic visual.
I am going to sleep now, and I shall bring this thought into my slumber, to calm my turbulent maelstrom of thoughts I call my mind, Thank You Robert.
Echoes of the Horn of Valere as well, from Wheel of Time. Not so much imitation as it is that they're drawing from the same source material, I imagine. :)
Yeah, this is what I thought of when this theory started going around. The Great Hunt was published in 1990, the year before GRRM started writing ASOIAF.
Makes me think of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time and the Horn of Valere. Blowing it brings back dead heroes for the last battle. I wonder if the Horn of Winter is a homage to WoT.
I asked my Rasta friend who he thought would blow the horn and he said, “Jorah, mon.”
I think I might actually, finally, be starting to break under the strain of waiting
Is it possible the collapsed part of the crypts collapsed as that was the area that was filled the last time the horn was blown?
If only I had any hope left that any further books will ever be released.
[breathe in]
RELEASE THE BOOK GEORGE, RELEASE IIIIT, RELEASE IT NOW NOW NOW NOW NOOOOOWAAAAARRRGHH
This story will never be finished. Not at least until GRRM dies of a heart attack, and someone steps in to finish it for him.
It has to be blown by a stark in Winterfell. It's not broken.
Why would it have to be in Winterfell? And Jon is half stark, so he should still count.
There’s no endgame. This series isn’t ever going to end
When you going to do the Kingkiller Chronicle?
Leyton Hightower will take the horn, fix it and blow to raise his giant mechs hidden under the tower against the krakens summoned by Euron Greyjoy, mark my words
Once the horn is blown are the statues going to come to life or are the spirits of the people who have statues going to be awoken? I personally would like it if it turned out that the spirits are housed in the weirwood and once the horn is fixed and blown those spirits will inhabit the bodies of the other greenseers that Bran saw hooked up to the weirwood in Bloodraven's cave (giants might also be a bit ironic because I assume most of these greenseers that have wasted away in bloodraven's cave are children of the forest and they are a notoriously small race)
Sam has the Horn of Winter, I think. On the other hand this is GRRM, he could easier point all the foreshadowing at that horn and have it be a complete red herring, kill Sam and have something horrible happen to Gilly. We legit don't know.
I wonder if the horn will also wake the stone dragon that's apparently kept somewhere in Winterfell.
Also, from a children of the foresr perspective, the first men may appear like giants
I think the Horn works and it calls the others, its just silent. Jon basically uses it and then the others attack, and I think its being built up so that it can be blown from atop the Hightower when Euron takes it in WOW.
0:58 “surely will be in the book” hahahaha, okay, let’s be ready here, there will be no more books in the asoiaf
Yeah, all of these lore channels and fans are delusional. ASOIAF is done, fatboy George is never going to finish them and he can't tbh... He's made a story that's too big and has too many characters to complete in a neat way. Someone did a mathematical breakdown of all the POVs and side stories and it isn't mathematically possible to be wrapped up in two 1500 page booms.
Wonder why we’re all still here doing what we’re doing? Let’s stay positive folks.
@@louiscassis3426 let's be real dude, wake up
@@dogevanzandt2889Still wondering why you’re here. To make these absolutely original comments?
@@louiscassis3426 none of your business why i am here at least i am not a gibbering delusional psychopath who thinks fatboy georgie is going to finish these books.
Get help dude.
I like the idea that it is nothing more than a bullhorn, but doesn't amplify human speech. Instead if used by someone able to talk with trees, Howland Reed for example, it could penetrate the ice of the Wall and wake the giant weirwood trees within it who will shake and bring down entire sections of the Wall with their movement.
And yes there is some evidence of this happening at the Tower of Joy to trap Arthur Dayne. There was clearly a weirwood there or Bran with his skill at the time would not be able to view Ned's fight. Jojen and Mira tell Bran that their father could speak with trees. This might also describe how Arthur was buried beneath the rock of the Tower if the roots had moved under Howland's instruction and broke the foundation apart.
A similar thing could bring down part of the wall as in the story of overtaking the Night's Fort. Only that the millenia of ice has made the trees there somewhat deaf. The (bull)horn would be needed to wake them up.
Exactly why this would be needed is unclear. Except to say that the undying physical bodies of the Others strapped to the imbedded trees will need to be reached to enact the prophesy that All Men Must Die.
The Wall Jorimund’s horn blew down was at most Cailin. When it says Jorimund AND the King of the Wildlings it’s a little joke cause they’re talking about the same person cause the Northerners were considered Wildlings.
Martin refuses to allow Jon to be the hero he is written to be.
I don't know if this is correct but man do I hope in is. This sounds so fucking cool!
I assume this would mean that the Night's King's chamber has collapsed, so he can't rise again.
I just had a thought: maybe the Horn of Winter only sounds for a specific type of person? Normal human, nothing. But if a Greenseer sounds it, say...
Needs to be blown south of the wall/in wintertell. That’s why it was hidden in the far north. The magic of the wall blocked the “signal” to the ancient Starks? So maybe it will actually work now if it’s blown by Jon.
A bit unrelated to the video, but I've always wondered why Joramun and the wildlings got involved in fighting the Night's King. It makes sense for the Starks to get into this fight, helping the Night's Watch and defending the North from him. But why did the wildings bother? I mean, in theory, they are scattered north of the Wall, I don't assume he had direct influence in their everyday lives. So why feel the need to fight him, so much so that they allied with Winterfell? What was their motivation?
Were there starks to wake when the horn was first blown? I thought Bran created the crypts, so it either wasn't created yet, or would have very little starks buried in it.
Here we go! Wahoo
If the Breaker wanted to keep the Horn from being blown, why did he let it be taken north of the Wall?
Good theorycrafting.
Bran the Breaker. Bran the Broken.
Maybe the horn only "works" by the right person blowing it with INTENT, so no one, not even the right person, has to know - and ahhh - concentrate!
It might be profoundly important, but I wouldn't put it past GRRM to make it a red herring.
Was there a stark in Winterfell when John tried using it?
Maybe Bran the *broken* can blow the "broken" horn and have it work, given that Bran is the most magical of the Starks and the linguistics little hints that are sprinkled all over
Huh when chronologically is the moment Jon blows the horn, does it line up with the burning of winter fell at all?
Jumping across canyons to your conclusions here Robert.
Tbh got was refreshing because it felt moments matter, people and events unfold and it all gets diminished when there are thousands of years of plans and shemes of undead in the back
But some dif that 😅😂
The Horn of Winter was my nickname in college
What strange timing. I just got to Jon's chapter in ASOS where Jon remembers the story of the horn of winter when on the march with the wildling
I was wondering...Why were the Others dormant for so long? Is it stated in the books? Hell even if it was stated in the show, I wouldn't remember.
A stone army of Starks, and a literal character named Golum, hmmm...
This is a redone version of a video that was done on this channel a long time ago, right? Does anyone else remember this?
It needs a mouthpiece. It is needed to focus the vibration of air passing through your lips. Curious what the in world name for it would be. The mouthpiece of the dawn, The wakening, etc
First Law Content!
I doubt the Horn of Winter is going to resurrect an army of Stark king statues. Just think how silly a climax that would be for the series. A believe the theory in Alt Shift X's video that "wake giants from the earth" is figurative referring to creating massive earthquakes (which is the same phrase used to describe the magical breaking of the Arm of Dorne)
Maybe it brought down the walls of winterfell so the giants could come out.
Robert, have you ever considered doing Wheel of Time content?
It hasn't become a mass market cultural phenomenon, like GOT was, as the WOT TV show is actual tripe.
@@LukeGJPotter it's true, the show is garbage
Brandon the Breaker broke the deal agreed upon after the war of Children of the Forest and First Man, aka the war that brought and ended The Long Night. Since the agreement was broken, Children and Three eyed raven (every hundred years in a new stolen body) have been rebuilding the White Walkers to take Westeros under their rule (Three eyed raven tells us and everyone repeatedly he isnt Bran anymore and takes the crown by saying "Why do you think I came all this way south" and this was said to be GRRM planned ending by his instructions to the show creators) . Coldhands knows about their plan as he serves them but doesnt agree and has left the Horn of Winter and dragonglass for man to find. Horn is used to protect Winterfell and was probably stolen or lost during the Night Kings war . Its not broken but probably cant be used by Jon as he has fire blood in him and this is a Horn of Winter and pure north Starks can probably use it just fine as they are the Kings of Winter. Jon is a "bastard" in eyes of pure ice magic and him being a bastard to Ned Stark and being called a bastard soo many times is just one more clue. GRRM calls the horn broken as it was probably part of the deal that was broken.
There is no way until the next book I can believe that Three Eyed Raven is a force for good for the First man and the Andals. I think he carries the memories of the past glory they had before the First man ever set foot on Westeros and him and the Children want revenge
Could Bran the Broken blow the broken horn?
Maybe it's not broken, John might not have been able to blow the horn cause he's not technically a stark or from the first men