In a family of 5, having a 7 seater is a must to prevent kids from fighting on any trip more than 10 minutes. Keeping them spread out is really important to parental sanity. That’s why minivans are so popular.
Same. We love it but our teenage boys miss the size of the suburban. Well we all have to make sacrifices 🤣. 3 kids, a dog, and a ski trip were no problem with a tule shell on top. Our range didn't decrease with the shell. I think we were more aero which made up for the extra weight.
The split gate is awesome and I feel all SUVs need something similar. I remember my 1992 explorer had the ability to open the rear window only or open the whole gate. I don't see any SUVs these days with that option so the split gate is the next best thig IMO. It's also a pseudo cargo extender and anyone who is outdoorsy usually sits on the back of their vehicle to get ready for the adventure - or for tailgating. Lots of applications.
In agreement here. I owned a 1973 Chevy Impala station wagon which “solved” the rear accessibility problem by making the rear access a clamshell with the glass going up above the headliner and the bottom half retracting into a pocket below the cargo floor. It was a nice try, but there were two problems. The power retraction mechanism was very poor quality and malfunctioned a lot. The other issue was the gas tank was moved from where it would have been rather protected below the cargo floor to being a saddle tank inside the right rear body behind the wheel. That is super unsafe! On mine, the tank corroded and leaked gas because the wheel pelted it with salt water and grit. Engineering for usability and safety are so many light years ahead on today’s vehicles, it is amazing.
I know Ford and Chevy still have this ability. Suburbans, Expedition, Bronco Sport etc. all do it, but you are correct in that they should all have that feature
Carl. What an excellent critique. I noted that his boss loved the rear luggage tie-down latches. Carl questioned their real utility over cost, and that gave me pause. These things are not going to be a deal breaker, unless enough of them accumulate, but I really like Carl's attention to detail. Why is a feature good? Why is a feature poor? Carl explains. It's great critique.
I was thinking the same thing recalling Mr. Munro waxing poetic about the cargo hooks and fancy machined track, though he did mention that it was an expensive choice by Rivian.
That rear door split type is good especially if you tow a travel trailer and have an electric tongue jack and you can still open the rear door and not hit the jack. I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee and that interference was an issue.
Very cogent walk-through. Thank you Carl. I like the idea of the split lift gate and mini tailgate. Right on about not having cargo roll out. I also like the idea that you get a little bit of extra fairly flat work surface when the gate is down. Also trailer towers will appreciate the fact that a full size lift gate is not going to hit the tongue jack as it is being opened. I know about this from having towed a boat behind a station wagon.
Range Rover's had a split rear and the bottom half was often used to sit on to change shoes before and after going outdoors for walks so didn't get the inside messed up.
This is sarcasm right? At the very least they could have had an actual parent, even one with 3 children (gasp!) along to correct him about the third row stuff.
The split tail gate is the best for a true SUV. Speaking as an land rover LR3 owner, I love it. Nice spot to get out of the weather and have a laptop, have a discussion or whatever. As someone that works outdoors, you can’t do the same thing with a regular tailgate. Blue print meeting on the hood of the truck in the dark at 6am? No thanks. I would assume the same thing trying to hike or hunt or other outdoor activities.
yeah, I have a Discovery (replacement for the LR3/LR4) and I'm glad they have the fold out platform as a nod to the earlier models. I use it all the time when snowboarding to sit on. JLR should have put that on the RRS instead of that silly bench thing they have which eats into the interior cargo space.
As an owner of a LX470, the split gate is highly useful as seating or table. I use it as such all the time for camping/skiing. If the user only goes to the mall, I can see how it may not be as useful.
Could we get Carl to review Detroit Denim jeans like he does on interiors, looking at the build, the stitching, build quality, ease of use etc. Yes a bit fun but would be interesting.
I agree! Not an actual review: The stitching along the pocket is designed for smoothness and irritation free access. The bottom seem is double fabric and quadruple seems to prevent fraying. The rear pockets have been reinforced with carbon fiber to prevent wear spots.
I owned 4 3rd row passenger vehicles to date and can admit- the EV platform drives and handles dest for 3rd row comfort. Less body roll and less nausea experienced in the rear - more practical for the kids on longer drives
We have an R1S and a Kia Telluride before that. Two carseats basically fills the 2nd row. Without the 3rd row we'd never be able to go anywhere with our family like grandparents, cousins etc. without taking a second vehicle. Also with the 3rd row folded down for other times, it gives a ton of rear storage capacity. It's the perfect sized vehicle for a family.
My 2 cents... As compared to my 2002 Yukon XL, the 3rd row knee room is similar. In the 2nd row, if you had not reclined the seat back as fully as you did, it seems the problem would not be as bad as it ends up. With regard to the cargo anchors, I have frequently found the need for real heavy duty anchors where I could safely anchor a heavy item or piece of machinery inside my SUV. The last thing anyone needs is a 300 pound missile coming forward in a frontal collision, especially in a rollover or tipped-on-the-side scenario. I do agree, the anchors are extravigant and could have been plain steel and fixed at the corners instead of adjustable.
Great points. Having driven suburbans w/family for decades we always had a big 20mm ammo can for repair parts, tow straps, jumper cables and a other emergency gear. Last thing you needed was that thing flying around in an accident. I really like this ev and would be at the top of the list if it was better supported across the country as Rich found out with his rivian pickup driving down the east coast.
The thing to consider: that rear rail system could be great to offer an extremely sturdy attachment point for accessories in the future. Rather than engineering another tiedown point and finding another place to fix it to the vehicle in a sturdy enough fashion to be attachable, I wonder if it's cheaper to pay $xx for the movable anchors that leverage an existing attach point than $x for something fixed + the cost of the rails that they were always going to include anyway? Additionally, I'm surprised Carl didn't note that it's a covered place to sit down. Absolutely fantastic if you're driving off-road somewhere on a rainy day (common in the mountains) and want to pull off to the side to eat something. We've plopped kids in the back of our vehicles to eat on so many occasions where this extra bit of space and seating in a covered way while still being "outside" would be crucial. Lack of imagination & understanding of the intended customer of this product I feel. It'd be like MKBHD reviewing a Kayak and wondering what the bungies on the front are for?
I don't think the anchors are the problem. It's the expensive, adjustable rail that's the problem. Most cars had 4 fixed tie down points. You can make the anchors heavy duty but why do you need the rails?
I love your interior reviews. When looking over some new cars. I'm surprised how much you have taught me. I'm surprised at flaws I'm finding that prior I would have not noticed. Thank you ☺️
Great review as always. I think you guys are too critical on the 3rd row. I never really think people get a 3rd row for adults. I think the majority of people get it for the kids. If you have 4 kids or so. How often are 7 full size adults traveling in the same car? Most people would take more vehicles.
Please don’t complain about the lack of room in the rear of the R1S. You would never comfortably fit in the back of it. It wasn’t designed for someone of your size. Those seats are for smaller adults and children. It’s like complaining that a Miata cannot carry two 32” bags in its trunk.
3rd row is not that bad as you pointed out. 1st is oriented to kids or teenagers as other medium sizes SUV as Durango, explorer, Palisade, Telluride etc., if you need more space get a Tahoe or Expedition. 2nd do not reclining all the way the 2nd row helps to gain some space for larger passengers and 3rd, like you, I'm overweight (I don't want to be offensive, don't get me wrong) and the problem as is clear in the video, its not because the knee clearance, its because my belly and I need to opened my legs to be comfortable without struggling with it LOL But its a good video and informative review. I like these kind of videos.
nice rap-around perspective! beautiful truck! sharp interior!! my mom would spend all day in here!! I enjoy the insight! U've already lain out several big points! good luck with it!
Rivian is just getting started. 92K really limits the market for them. People needing seven passengers really limits the market. Let us see how the demand works out for them. I hope they do well. There are just too many nightmare videos regarding third party charging stations. But I am biased; my Model 3LR FSD is super.
"Some people tried to make a ... 'peoples car', they didn't always have good intentions" ... Oh wow I almost spat out my coffee laughing at that historical volkswagen reference!
Carl, you are the best when it comes to critiquing interiors. I love the fact you tell it like it is, and that's I we adore this channel. Sandy has hired a team of truth sayers.
I think they are missing the point with the 3rd row. Few people use or shop for a 3rd row because they expect to use it regularly. When it's not in use, there is more storage space than most 2 row SUVs. When you need it, there's 2 more seats available. The utility is the extra space that can double as additional seating.
I agree it feels like they are trying to compare this to a suburban or minivan. This is meant to be compared to an explorer, pilot, or Ascent. To me it looks very comparable to those third rows. Also I get not everyone needs a third row but they are nice to have in a pinch. It's as if people forget that we used to have rear facing seats that only kids could fit in and all seats need to fit a 6 foot adult with no issue.
Given the headroom of the 3rd row seats it would been great if it was possible to slide the 3rd row back even more to create extra kneeroom. That would make it one of the best 3rd row seating. Seems like a missed opportunity.
Maybe but the added complexity would not be worth it. Remember that the seat is placed on an already raised platform. Also the 3rd row isn’t used much for most people and usually only need it in a pinch.
About the seat belt quick connect. I assume there is some kind of device that does the job and not performed manually by assembly line worker. The worker holds some kind of device that connects the belt to the pretensioner having this way a proof of compliance
my ford exploerer 2010 I think was the year had a quick disconnection on the seat belts as well, you use your key to slide into the conniction and it would break the seatbelt apart. I'm guessing that is what your talking about on here, as I'm total blind so don't know if its the same thing.
No one vehicle can be all for all people. In a broader sense, EV’s will come to increasing popularity as prices come down and social acceptance increases. I still need my diesel to pull 15k lb trailers, but I don’t need an internal combustion vehicle for anything else - I hate the idea of all the heat, the thousands of parts reducing each other every moment the vehicle is running. My EV has not been without problems but it should have dramatically lower operating cost especially as time goes on. Thanks for the video!
Having the option of a third row is nice, but what it really means is a larger SUV. The storage space with the third row stowed is what I really need. The R2 doesn't have a third row and, as a result, it's a smaller SUV that doesn't give me the space to suit my needs. Honestly, if they made an R1S that didn't have the third row but still had all that space, that's what I'd go with (assuming losing the third row would drop the price a bit.
The point that not everyone needs or wants the same car is obvious, but an important reminder. Thanks. With this week's social media discussion about the Tesla Semi, I think this lesson needs extension to trucks, including Class 8 trucks. Different use cases (loads and routes) and different driver preferences mean the Semi is not THE Semi, and does not need to be. It just has to fit enough use cases and drivers to sell as many as they need to make to earn money. Can you bring this up when you evaluate the Semi? (I assume Munro has ordered one for tear down!)
While I understand the need to justify cost for items in the vehicle, stripping a lot of the subjectively "extra" features is not in line with the premium/luxury nature of the Rivian. A lot of these neat little items (hidden flashlight, etc) make the car more special, especially at this price point.
I once had reservation for an R1S, but decided to cancel it, precisely because… my wife and I do not need 7-seats, let alone a large, heavy SUV. My oldest daughter's large family, however, could sure use one of these.
I don’t like chrome plastic, when it wears it looks horrible with white patches. For example Audi uses knurled / brushed aluminium on its trim and it just feels and looks so much nicer.
All well and good but these days it comes down to a charging network and service center. All the startups have these same problems: service availability and charging. For $90k someone is taking a lot of risks finding either.
How many people actually need to sit with legs spread apart wide like that in a car? I'm 6' 1" 185 lbs and in a normal seated position I fit fine in the 3rd row of the R1S. It's not reasonable to expect the 3rd row to fit people who are much larger than average. If you need to fit 7 football linesmen in one vehicle then it's going to take a large van. It's actually really impressive that a midsize SUV has a 3rd row that's comfortable enough for me to ride in and that I can get in and out of even with bad knees.
Confused. In an earlier video, Sandy describes his LOVE for the third row and all the room it provides, unlike other SUVs. But here, the focus of the video is that it's too small -- just like all the others. Not exactly the most consistent message.
@@pting66 True, of course. But my point is that Sandy is either correct when he says the R1S has more third-row room than even the most expensive SUVs, or he's not. Say what you will, but that's ultimately an objective measure. The vehicle's dimensions don't change just because the person getting in it is bigger (or smaller) than Sandy.
If you use enough Velcro, you don't need child seats. (Just a putty knife to help unstick the Vecro.) Seriously though...there's never really a good way to have three full rows in a 4 door sedan. That split tailgate will keep my groceries, in soft plastic bags, from falling out, better than the elastic net that I'm using now. Expensive upscale way to get the job done.
This would have been awesome for our little family with only four kids, or taking some scouts on an outing; but many families I know have six or more. There just isn't a reasonable sized EV available for so many families...
I can't believe they aren't making EV minivans yet. When we finally do see them I suspect they will all show up at once. The EV drivetrain is so much easier to cram in a minivan than an ICE engine. There is room on the roof for some solar too.
I like the way you reviewed this SUV, however I believe someone with a family would give a better insight on how the soccer mom or the nuclear family in a real world situation would use this vehicle. This is made for them.
How about having an actual parent come along on a review of a family oriented car? Carl climbs in the 3rd row, says "I'd never actually sit back here, this is for kids" and then proceeds to complain about things that wouldn't work for him. Doesn't know that 8 year olds... or even 5 year olds are quite capable of buckling themselves in. Seems absolutely befuddled by the split tailgate, something even Jeremy Clarkson can figure out. Doesn't know the rear cargo shelf has 2 different levels.
My only problem about watching these videos is that I feel like an expert afterwards N then I speck with facts I should know nothing about because I don't have the schooling to back it up.
Putting in that horizontal trim line is a design mistake because it creates a subtle incentive to recline the seat to level it out, killing third row space.
I watched "Out of Spec Detailing" video on issues he's noticed on several Ravians. One of the areas that he showed was the wood trim. It seems that he's seen the trim cracked in several Ravians. He also talked about seeing more and more quality issues as they start to ramp up. Maybe you can talk about these issues. th-cam.com/video/7frg47tqhVY/w-d-xo.html
Can you get it without a third row, and/or do the seats come out? I would also like to see more air vents in the back. One on each side is not going to be enough.
I have seen that has led to fitting every one in issues esp if you have a baby seat in the middle row an adult esp if they are tall have big issue getting in and fitting in the front passenger seat
I think Carl meant the cabin, especially the second row, is extended beyond that of the R1T, as demonstrated by the measurements of the rear door opening.
Eh, if you want to fit people in a third row, buy a VAN. All SUVs are terrible about that. Because they are based on a truck configuration. This just proves that the SUV trend in general is dumb, not that Rivian has done a bad job in designing the 3rd row. Maybe one day people will come to their senses and the humble and practical minivan will make a comeback. The minivan hate has always been a dumb matcho thing, cmon Carl, grow up a little. BTW, the split rear door was a station wagon feature before SUVs were even close to what they are now. And they are incredibly practical. It means you can put long things in the back without leaving the gate open... just like a truck. It means if you have a bunch of loose stuff in the back you can get in there without stuff tumbling out... just like a truck. As someone who has done construction work out of both a minivan and a station wagon, its a GREAT feature. In fact, most of the things people are raving about with some new vehicles have been standard minivan features forever. Completely flat floor? Minivan feature. Flat loading in the back? Minivan feature. Folding or configurable seating? Minivan feature. Vents and cupholders in the 3rd row? Minivan feature. Doors that can open in tight spaces (a la Tesla X)? Minivan feature. Has the storage capacity of a big SUV but drives like a car? Minivan feature. Wheels pushed out to the corners? Minivan feature. Large interior volume compared to smallish exterior? Minivan feature. Imagine a vehicle this size as a minivan.... Who needs a frunk when you would get two to three more FEET of space for seating and cargo?
@@bikeaddictbp I really liked the concept art for the Canoo but seeing the implementation was a disappontment.... the front seats are too far back to maximize space so the entire front third of the vehicle is just an empty bubble. It makes for a cool looking design that is a terrible use of space. ID Buzz is also a bit of a disappointment IMO... as its a barely redressed Transporter, and not the "return of the microbus" it was hyped as. But yes, it is at least an actual minivan. Sadly, the two other companies that actually still build minivans.... Chrysler and Honda are so helplessly behind the EV push Ill be shocked if we ever see an electric Caravan or Odyssey.
@@patreekotime4578 Yeah I hear you. There are some technical features of the Canoo that I find to be a bit suspect - how are side-facing passengers going to fare in a frontal collision, for one. Seems to me the Canoo was originally sketched without realising that front wheel-wells eat up space that passengers can't use, and you need some space in front of passengers to allow for frontal crash. Speaking of which, even a minor front-end shunt looks expensive. The rear seating arrangement looks inflexible, too. As for the ID Buzz, we haven't seen the somewhat-longer and three-row North American version yet.
I agree in some ways but minivans are not off-road vehicles. I looked at the Toyota sienna as it is the only one with AWD. Only has 6 inches of ground clearance and you lose the middle seat.
I don't know why OEMs are taking the opportunity to replace leather seating in luxury cars with vinyl (the marketing department calls it "Vegan Leather") and expect no one to notice? Every EV going on the market seems to be trying to imply that EV owners all want to save the world and are vegans. I'm not. Sad to see those wonderful-looking seats in the Rivian are plastic. I was looking at the new Cadillac Ev, which even has vinyl seats. I asked the salesman, "what was the last Cadillac before this Ev that came with vinyl seats?".... he gave me a blank stare. I think there were a few models in the 1970's that did. I know it saves money, but these cars are very expensive.
Tbh i find the rivian interior to be very plain and stale in its colour and style,Mercedes i find are very much ahead of many other car manufacturers in this field.
What would a Range Rover this size and similarly spec'd need to cost? It's top level motor, obviously. I don't have a use for the 3rd row, I just want to use a car to throw stuff in the back. Even teh 2nd row will rarely be in use. A van however, is quite a stap from the R1S, even if you don't need off-road prowess like this beast's. Minivan...usually unsightly but oh the cargo space... I want a reimagined Mercedes R-Class. Can BEV, if huge battery. Just make it look like an oversized stationwagon again, please! Remove Rivian's off-road stuff, tone it down with the power to about 300-400 hp...what would such a thing costs? Need front seat ventilation and massage, of course :)
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In a family of 5, having a 7 seater is a must to prevent kids from fighting on any trip more than 10 minutes. Keeping them spread out is really important to parental sanity. That’s why minivans are so popular.
Same. We love it but our teenage boys miss the size of the suburban. Well we all have to make sacrifices 🤣. 3 kids, a dog, and a ski trip were no problem with a tule shell on top. Our range didn't decrease with the shell. I think we were more aero which made up for the extra weight.
The split gate is awesome and I feel all SUVs need something similar. I remember my 1992 explorer had the ability to open the rear window only or open the whole gate. I don't see any SUVs these days with that option so the split gate is the next best thig IMO. It's also a pseudo cargo extender and anyone who is outdoorsy usually sits on the back of their vehicle to get ready for the adventure - or for tailgating. Lots of applications.
In agreement here. I owned a 1973 Chevy Impala station wagon which “solved” the rear accessibility problem by making the rear access a clamshell with the glass going up above the headliner and the bottom half retracting into a pocket below the cargo floor. It was a nice try, but there were two problems. The power retraction mechanism was very poor quality and malfunctioned a lot. The other issue was the gas tank was moved from where it would have been rather protected below the cargo floor to being a saddle tank inside the right rear body behind the wheel. That is super unsafe! On mine, the tank corroded and leaked gas because the wheel pelted it with salt water and grit. Engineering for usability and safety are so many light years ahead on today’s vehicles, it is amazing.
I know Ford and Chevy still have this ability. Suburbans, Expedition, Bronco Sport etc. all do it, but you are correct in that they should all have that feature
Carl. What an excellent critique. I noted that his boss loved the rear luggage tie-down latches. Carl questioned their real utility over cost, and that gave me pause. These things are not going to be a deal breaker, unless enough of them accumulate, but I really like Carl's attention to detail. Why is a feature good? Why is a feature poor? Carl explains. It's great critique.
I was thinking the same thing recalling Mr. Munro waxing poetic about the cargo hooks and fancy machined track, though he did mention that it was an expensive choice by Rivian.
It's not a negative for the buyer. It's a negative for Rivian. They made an expensive part that looks cool but isn't really necessary.
I think it’s neat but it also puts four lumps in the floor keeping things from sitting flat.
@@aaronw6706they slide out. Ours came with two. Two extra must cost extra. 🙄
That rear door split type is good especially if you tow a travel trailer and have an electric tongue jack and you can still open the rear door and not hit the jack. I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee and that interference was an issue.
Carl never fails to amaze...
Very cogent walk-through. Thank you Carl. I like the idea of the split lift gate and mini tailgate. Right on about not having cargo roll out. I also like the idea that you get a little bit of extra fairly flat work surface when the gate is down. Also trailer towers will appreciate the fact that a full size lift gate is not going to hit the tongue jack as it is being opened. I know about this from having towed a boat behind a station wagon.
I am really proud of that tail gate gap hider. It was a lot of work but we got it.
Similar to another comment, this isn't extended, it is MUCH shorter into the R1T. It's also the largest electric SUV on the market currently.
Range Rover's had a split rear and the bottom half was often used to sit on to change shoes before and after going outdoors for walks so didn't get the inside messed up.
Thanks Carl for another interesting and informative video.
A very wise review - well informed well researched well spoken and well poised. Carl is a natural
Clinical!
This is sarcasm right? At the very least they could have had an actual parent, even one with 3 children (gasp!) along to correct him about the third row stuff.
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Great to see some details on the Rivian R1S
The split tail gate is the best for a true SUV. Speaking as an land rover LR3 owner, I love it. Nice spot to get out of the weather and have a laptop, have a discussion or whatever. As someone that works outdoors, you can’t do the same thing with a regular tailgate. Blue print meeting on the hood of the truck in the dark at 6am? No thanks. I would assume the same thing trying to hike or hunt or other outdoor activities.
yeah, I have a Discovery (replacement for the LR3/LR4) and I'm glad they have the fold out platform as a nod to the earlier models. I use it all the time when snowboarding to sit on. JLR should have put that on the RRS instead of that silly bench thing they have which eats into the interior cargo space.
As an owner of a LX470, the split gate is highly useful as seating or table. I use it as such all the time for camping/skiing. If the user only goes to the mall, I can see how it may not be as useful.
As a 4Runner owner, this is the setup I wish was on my vehicle.
Still useful to anyone who buys big things and doesnt want them sticking out the back.
Could we get Carl to review Detroit Denim jeans like he does on interiors, looking at the build, the stitching, build quality, ease of use etc. Yes a bit fun but would be interesting.
I agree!
Not an actual review:
The stitching along the pocket is designed for smoothness and irritation free access.
The bottom seem is double fabric and quadruple seems to prevent fraying.
The rear pockets have been reinforced with carbon fiber to prevent wear spots.
I owned 4 3rd row passenger vehicles to date and can admit- the EV platform drives and handles dest for 3rd row comfort. Less body roll and less nausea experienced in the rear - more practical for the kids on longer drives
Carl, I want to personally thank you for not getting a bespoke pair of "Skinny Jeans", even though they were gratis.
Can't imagine being in the middle seat on a flight with a Carl on either side of me - we would all become good friends
We have an R1S and a Kia Telluride before that. Two carseats basically fills the 2nd row. Without the 3rd row we'd never be able to go anywhere with our family like grandparents, cousins etc. without taking a second vehicle. Also with the 3rd row folded down for other times, it gives a ton of rear storage capacity. It's the perfect sized vehicle for a family.
My 2 cents... As compared to my 2002 Yukon XL, the 3rd row knee room is similar. In the 2nd row, if you had not reclined the seat back as fully as you did, it seems the problem would not be as bad as it ends up. With regard to the cargo anchors, I have frequently found the need for real heavy duty anchors where I could safely anchor a heavy item or piece of machinery inside my SUV. The last thing anyone needs is a 300 pound missile coming forward in a frontal collision, especially in a rollover or tipped-on-the-side scenario. I do agree, the anchors are extravigant and could have been plain steel and fixed at the corners instead of adjustable.
Great points. Having driven suburbans w/family for decades we always had a big 20mm ammo can for repair parts, tow straps, jumper cables and a other emergency gear. Last thing you needed was that thing flying around in an accident. I really like this ev and would be at the top of the list if it was better supported across the country as Rich found out with his rivian pickup driving down the east coast.
The thing to consider: that rear rail system could be great to offer an extremely sturdy attachment point for accessories in the future. Rather than engineering another tiedown point and finding another place to fix it to the vehicle in a sturdy enough fashion to be attachable, I wonder if it's cheaper to pay $xx for the movable anchors that leverage an existing attach point than $x for something fixed + the cost of the rails that they were always going to include anyway?
Additionally, I'm surprised Carl didn't note that it's a covered place to sit down. Absolutely fantastic if you're driving off-road somewhere on a rainy day (common in the mountains) and want to pull off to the side to eat something. We've plopped kids in the back of our vehicles to eat on so many occasions where this extra bit of space and seating in a covered way while still being "outside" would be crucial.
Lack of imagination & understanding of the intended customer of this product I feel. It'd be like MKBHD reviewing a Kayak and wondering what the bungies on the front are for?
For 92K the adjustable tie points are pretty nice.
I don't think the anchors are the problem. It's the expensive, adjustable rail that's the problem. Most cars had 4 fixed tie down points. You can make the anchors heavy duty but why do you need the rails?
I love your interior reviews. When looking over some new cars. I'm surprised how much you have taught me. I'm surprised at flaws I'm finding that prior I would have not noticed. Thank you ☺️
Great review as always. I think you guys are too critical on the 3rd row. I never really think people get a 3rd row for adults. I think the majority of people get it for the kids. If you have 4 kids or so.
How often are 7 full size adults traveling in the same car? Most people would take more vehicles.
Excellent once again Carl
Thanks, Michael!
Thanks Carl
Carl, knocks it out of the park again
Please don’t complain about the lack of room in the rear of the R1S. You would never comfortably fit in the back of it. It wasn’t designed for someone of your size. Those seats are for smaller adults and children. It’s like complaining that a Miata cannot carry two 32” bags in its trunk.
3rd row is not that bad as you pointed out. 1st is oriented to kids or teenagers as other medium sizes SUV as Durango, explorer, Palisade, Telluride etc., if you need more space get a Tahoe or Expedition. 2nd do not reclining all the way the 2nd row helps to gain some space for larger passengers and 3rd, like you, I'm overweight (I don't want to be offensive, don't get me wrong) and the problem as is clear in the video, its not because the knee clearance, its because my belly and I need to opened my legs to be comfortable without struggling with it LOL
But its a good video and informative review. I like these kind of videos.
Seat belt quick connects are common items in european cars. The ones I've seen are even easier to connect than the Rivian's.
Having a R1T lack of rear seat adjustment is the biggest gripe I have. Planning on getting the R1S as a result.
nice rap-around perspective! beautiful truck! sharp interior!! my mom would spend all day in here!! I enjoy the insight! U've already
lain out several big points! good luck with it!
Rivian is just getting started. 92K really limits the market for them. People needing seven passengers really limits the market. Let us see how the demand works out for them. I hope they do well. There are just too many nightmare videos regarding third party charging stations. But I am biased; my Model 3LR FSD is super.
Rivian will be production constrained for years to come. Product is that good.
"Some people tried to make a ... 'peoples car', they didn't always have good intentions" ... Oh wow I almost spat out my coffee laughing at that historical volkswagen reference!
Carl, you are the best when it comes to critiquing interiors. I love the fact you tell it like it is, and that's I we adore this channel. Sandy has hired a team of truth sayers.
Thanks for another festinating review, maybe someday will see one on the road
Great review, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
10:00 very good feature. Not spilling yes but for ladies that weigh 90lb it makes them much easier to handle with smaller doors then one giant door.
I think they are missing the point with the 3rd row. Few people use or shop for a 3rd row because they expect to use it regularly. When it's not in use, there is more storage space than most 2 row SUVs. When you need it, there's 2 more seats available. The utility is the extra space that can double as additional seating.
Heck put the second row seats down and put car seats in back so there is more sound buffering space haha.
I agree it feels like they are trying to compare this to a suburban or minivan. This is meant to be compared to an explorer, pilot, or Ascent. To me it looks very comparable to those third rows.
Also I get not everyone needs a third row but they are nice to have in a pinch. It's as if people forget that we used to have rear facing seats that only kids could fit in and all seats need to fit a 6 foot adult with no issue.
Given the headroom of the 3rd row seats it would been great if it was possible to slide the 3rd row back even more to create extra kneeroom. That would make it one of the best 3rd row seating. Seems like a missed opportunity.
Maybe but the added complexity would not be worth it. Remember that the seat is placed on an already raised platform. Also the 3rd row isn’t used much for most people and usually only need it in a pinch.
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Thanks for watching, Dana!
4:22 with 4 kids, I need the third row of my van everyday.
About the seat belt quick connect. I assume there is some kind of device that does the job and not performed manually by assembly line worker. The worker holds some kind of device that connects the belt to the pretensioner having this way a proof of compliance
Many families have 4 kids and that makes these seats essential if you don’t want a minivan.
my ford exploerer 2010 I think was the year had a quick disconnection on the seat belts as well, you use your key to slide into the conniction and it would break the seatbelt apart. I'm guessing that is what your talking about on here, as I'm total blind so don't know if its the same thing.
No one vehicle can be all for all people.
In a broader sense, EV’s will come to increasing popularity as prices come down and social acceptance increases.
I still need my diesel to pull 15k lb trailers, but I don’t need an internal combustion vehicle for anything else - I hate the idea of all the heat, the thousands of parts reducing each other every moment the vehicle is running.
My EV has not been without problems but it should have dramatically lower operating cost especially as time goes on.
Thanks for the video!
I don’t understand why Rivian didn’t use the R1T’s longer chassis to allow more 3rd row legroom.
Carl! ❤
Practically before style for me!
Having the option of a third row is nice, but what it really means is a larger SUV. The storage space with the third row stowed is what I really need. The R2 doesn't have a third row and, as a result, it's a smaller SUV that doesn't give me the space to suit my needs. Honestly, if they made an R1S that didn't have the third row but still had all that space, that's what I'd go with (assuming losing the third row would drop the price a bit.
The point that not everyone needs or wants the same car is obvious, but an important reminder. Thanks. With this week's social media discussion about the Tesla Semi, I think this lesson needs extension to trucks, including Class 8 trucks. Different use cases (loads and routes) and different driver preferences mean the Semi is not THE Semi, and does not need to be. It just has to fit enough use cases and drivers to sell as many as they need to make to earn money. Can you bring this up when you evaluate the Semi? (I assume Munro has ordered one for tear down!)
I’d like to see an engineering analysis of the Rivian electric delivery van too, though I suppose 100% of them will be headed to Amazon for a while.
While I understand the need to justify cost for items in the vehicle, stripping a lot of the subjectively "extra" features is not in line with the premium/luxury nature of the Rivian. A lot of these neat little items (hidden flashlight, etc) make the car more special, especially at this price point.
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Take our umbrella! ☂️
That pre-tensioner clip looks symmetric ; Will it work without catching,cinching if installed with a twist in the section ?
Booster Iso fix kids seats would be good in the third row for kids old enough to put own belts
I once had reservation for an R1S, but decided to cancel it, precisely because… my wife and I do not need 7-seats, let alone a large, heavy SUV. My oldest daughter's large family, however, could sure use one of these.
The "extended SUV version" isn't extended. Shorter wheelbase, shorter overall length on the R1S versus the R1T.
I don’t like chrome plastic, when it wears it looks horrible with white patches. For example Audi uses knurled / brushed aluminium on its trim and it just feels and looks so much nicer.
Thank you!
You are very welcome!
now i'm interested to hear your thoughts on minivans...
I’m a parent who doesn’t want to use seatbelts for my children. Should i buy a rivian?
All well and good but these days it comes down to a charging network and service center. All the startups have these same problems: service availability and charging. For $90k someone is taking a lot of risks finding either.
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How many people actually need to sit with legs spread apart wide like that in a car? I'm 6' 1" 185 lbs and in a normal seated position I fit fine in the 3rd row of the R1S. It's not reasonable to expect the 3rd row to fit people who are much larger than average. If you need to fit 7 football linesmen in one vehicle then it's going to take a large van. It's actually really impressive that a midsize SUV has a 3rd row that's comfortable enough for me to ride in and that I can get in and out of even with bad knees.
Confused. In an earlier video, Sandy describes his LOVE for the third row and all the room it provides, unlike other SUVs. But here, the focus of the video is that it's too small -- just like all the others. Not exactly the most consistent message.
Sandy is also a bit smaller than. Perspective tends to change with size.
@@pting66 True, of course. But my point is that Sandy is either correct when he says the R1S has more third-row room than even the most expensive SUVs, or he's not. Say what you will, but that's ultimately an objective measure. The vehicle's dimensions don't change just because the person getting in it is bigger (or smaller) than Sandy.
If you use enough Velcro, you don't need child seats. (Just a putty knife to help unstick the Vecro.)
Seriously though...there's never really a good way to have three full rows in a 4 door sedan.
That split tailgate will keep my groceries, in soft plastic bags, from falling out, better than the elastic net that I'm using now. Expensive upscale way to get the job done.
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This would have been awesome for our little family with only four kids, or taking some scouts on an outing; but many families I know have six or more. There just isn't a reasonable sized EV available for so many families...
Thank you for going metric! 👍
No problem 👍
I can't believe they aren't making EV minivans yet. When we finally do see them I suspect they will all show up at once. The EV drivetrain is so much easier to cram in a minivan than an ICE engine. There is room on the roof for some solar too.
So it is like Tesla Model X minus efficiency, but plus offroading?
It doesn't need to be a 7 passenger, it can be a 5 passenger with lots of cargo space. I would hope the rear seats fold down or are removable.
Yes the rear seats fold down
Will a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood fit?
For context, how tall is Carl?
Carl is about 6'2"!
I like the way you reviewed this SUV, however I believe someone with a family would give a better insight on how the soccer mom or the nuclear family in a real world situation would use this vehicle. This is made for them.
How about having an actual parent come along on a review of a family oriented car? Carl climbs in the 3rd row, says "I'd never actually sit back here, this is for kids" and then proceeds to complain about things that wouldn't work for him. Doesn't know that 8 year olds... or even 5 year olds are quite capable of buckling themselves in. Seems absolutely befuddled by the split tailgate, something even Jeremy Clarkson can figure out. Doesn't know the rear cargo shelf has 2 different levels.
Would help to know how tall you are
My only problem about watching these videos is that I feel like an expert afterwards
N then I speck with facts I should know nothing about because I don't have the schooling to back it up.
5:09 Rivian R1S 7 seats 72k $ starting..... some other 7 seat: Base price 30-40 k $.... If only the 3rd row is an exquse, Rivian R1S is the car :)
Putting in that horizontal trim line is a design mistake because it creates a subtle incentive to recline the seat to level it out, killing third row space.
Is this the Range Rover of E SUVs? I wonder if Rivian is making money on its EVs?
"They didn't always have the best of intentions" - Ye would disagree 😆
I watched "Out of Spec Detailing" video on issues he's noticed on several Ravians. One of the areas that he showed was the wood trim. It seems that he's seen the trim cracked in several Ravians. He also talked about seeing more and more quality issues as they start to ramp up. Maybe you can talk about these issues.
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Can you get it without a third row, and/or do the seats come out? I would also like to see more air vents in the back. One on each side is not going to be enough.
The fact that you can fit in that third row says a lot. You won't fit in many a third row
What about the ridge across the trunk area. Messes up a flatload area. Not very well thought out!
Seems like lots of solutions looking for problems.
The Ford Excursion had the best rear lift gate setup.
RIVIAN R1S is not extended, it's SHORTER than the R1T.
I have seen that has led to fitting every one in issues esp if you have a baby seat in the middle row an adult esp if they are tall have big issue getting in and fitting in the front passenger seat
I think Carl meant the cabin, especially the second row, is extended beyond that of the R1T, as demonstrated by the measurements of the rear door opening.
@@RayStarbirdHome - the vehicle is actually shorter than R1T.
I think Carl meant the interior is extended…not the wheelbase.
Definitely bigger than the model X though and much more robust too
When commenting on ergonomics, please give your height and weight. (at least hight).
Eh, if you want to fit people in a third row, buy a VAN. All SUVs are terrible about that. Because they are based on a truck configuration. This just proves that the SUV trend in general is dumb, not that Rivian has done a bad job in designing the 3rd row. Maybe one day people will come to their senses and the humble and practical minivan will make a comeback. The minivan hate has always been a dumb matcho thing, cmon Carl, grow up a little. BTW, the split rear door was a station wagon feature before SUVs were even close to what they are now. And they are incredibly practical. It means you can put long things in the back without leaving the gate open... just like a truck. It means if you have a bunch of loose stuff in the back you can get in there without stuff tumbling out... just like a truck. As someone who has done construction work out of both a minivan and a station wagon, its a GREAT feature.
In fact, most of the things people are raving about with some new vehicles have been standard minivan features forever. Completely flat floor? Minivan feature. Flat loading in the back? Minivan feature. Folding or configurable seating? Minivan feature. Vents and cupholders in the 3rd row? Minivan feature. Doors that can open in tight spaces (a la Tesla X)? Minivan feature. Has the storage capacity of a big SUV but drives like a car? Minivan feature. Wheels pushed out to the corners? Minivan feature. Large interior volume compared to smallish exterior? Minivan feature.
Imagine a vehicle this size as a minivan.... Who needs a frunk when you would get two to three more FEET of space for seating and cargo?
Hang in there for the VW ID Buzz ... or, perhaps (if the company survives), the Canoo.
@@bikeaddictbp I really liked the concept art for the Canoo but seeing the implementation was a disappontment.... the front seats are too far back to maximize space so the entire front third of the vehicle is just an empty bubble. It makes for a cool looking design that is a terrible use of space.
ID Buzz is also a bit of a disappointment IMO... as its a barely redressed Transporter, and not the "return of the microbus" it was hyped as. But yes, it is at least an actual minivan. Sadly, the two other companies that actually still build minivans.... Chrysler and Honda are so helplessly behind the EV push Ill be shocked if we ever see an electric Caravan or Odyssey.
@@patreekotime4578 Yeah I hear you. There are some technical features of the Canoo that I find to be a bit suspect - how are side-facing passengers going to fare in a frontal collision, for one. Seems to me the Canoo was originally sketched without realising that front wheel-wells eat up space that passengers can't use, and you need some space in front of passengers to allow for frontal crash. Speaking of which, even a minor front-end shunt looks expensive. The rear seating arrangement looks inflexible, too. As for the ID Buzz, we haven't seen the somewhat-longer and three-row North American version yet.
I agree in some ways but minivans are not off-road vehicles. I looked at the Toyota sienna as it is the only one with AWD. Only has 6 inches of ground clearance and you lose the middle seat.
it's just not Munro without Munro.
I don't know why OEMs are taking the opportunity to replace leather seating in luxury cars with vinyl (the marketing department calls it "Vegan Leather") and expect no one to notice? Every EV going on the market seems to be trying to imply that EV owners all want to save the world and are vegans. I'm not. Sad to see those wonderful-looking seats in the Rivian are plastic. I was looking at the new Cadillac Ev, which even has vinyl seats. I asked the salesman, "what was the last Cadillac before this Ev that came with vinyl seats?".... he gave me a blank stare. I think there were a few models in the 1970's that did. I know it saves money, but these cars are very expensive.
Tbh i find the rivian interior to be very plain and stale in its colour and style,Mercedes i find are very much ahead of many other car manufacturers in this field.
Overall, a pretty negative review for a pretty good car.
Storage bins are trash bins if you have children. LOL
Why are a family of 4 plus a large dog. Our Model Y gets the job done….. barely. The R1S is a much better size without being a behemoth.
What would a Range Rover this size and similarly spec'd need to cost? It's top level motor, obviously.
I don't have a use for the 3rd row, I just want to use a car to throw stuff in the back. Even teh 2nd row will rarely be in use.
A van however, is quite a stap from the R1S, even if you don't need off-road prowess like this beast's.
Minivan...usually unsightly but oh the cargo space... I want a reimagined Mercedes R-Class. Can BEV, if huge battery. Just make it look like an oversized stationwagon again, please! Remove Rivian's off-road stuff, tone it down with the power to about 300-400 hp...what would such a thing costs? Need front seat ventilation and massage, of course :)
Never going to happen what their stock worth 30cents on the dallor lol they are a rip off
Another great job Carl! Well done! As for the Rivian...ugliest front end for a vehicle in several decades.
A Honda civic dude reviews a rivian.