Do not forget this.. Next time you visit Steve. I will have a cold brew waiting for you at one of the local bars. Just tell me where. The beard has earned it.
That's industrial double-stick tape. Sounds like no big deal but it is a big deal. It's one of those "if you ever want it apart don't use this" things. They use a brutally strong adhesive for it. Ultra-High Bond Tapes (UHB/VHB)
When you want to make sure your taping job holds up over time, use Ultra High Bond or Very High Bond (UHB/VHB) double-sided tape. This type of tape is so strong that it can sometimes be used as an alternative to other fastening options, such as rivets, spot welds and liquid adhesives. For heavy-duty taping tasks, you'll want to make sure you have double-sided UHB tape or VHB tape available to handle the job.
We use a temp chamber at work for sealed devices that need to be opened. So nice and easy. Set the temp chamber to the point where the glue loses most of its adhesion and no worries about going over and melting solder.
@@BeardedHardware The ones that the EE's use in the lab is a Testequity Model 115A. I think we heat consumer electronics (watches, bike computers) to 60-80 degrees C to loosen up the glue holding the displays on. My office mate says use an Arduino based reflow oven :) That would probably do the trick too and be much cheaper than a brand new $9000 temp chamber.
Video seems really quiet, also...leaving it in MEK for a few hours is likely to cause the glue to debond...or even just brushing it on and leaving it for a few seconds.. MEK is restricted in some US states though I beleive (explosives reasons)..it's a longer chain ketone (like Acetone), I use it at work a lot.
@@BeardedHardware Yea I thought as much, no problemo. MEK should be ok with PCBs. It's not good for Polyurethane based material or PVC. I use it on boards to clean salt water residue off ROVs (Robotically Operated Vehicles) PCBs at work and also clean marine cables down with no problems. I've used it at home for thermal paste, but it's massive overkill. It'll eat the glue alright, but IPA or Acetone might be a better option as it's less harsh
@@BeardedHardware I was a printer for 20 years & we used MEK as a 'Quick Clean' for dried on ink on many types of metal & anything the ink got on & then dried, S.A. seems to have some good insight in his comment too, the PCB should be safe but would be worth giving it a test on a stick of RAM that is junk, also I don't know how coloured metal like anodizing would react if you wanna keep the heat spreaders, I'd also consider a Face mask with vapour filter as it is not good for the respiratory system, I don't print anymore so don't know if it still available here in Australia, but even when I was printing in the 90's there were plans to ban MEK for health reasons
This is how Ive been told to remove heatspreaders but since I dont have access to LN2 of Dry Ice I usually just chuck my dimms into my freezer for a hour and then spend another hour prying the heatspreaders off which is absolutely a headache method.
I kina guessed you gonna pour ln2. You said always if you pour ln2 in a pot the thermal paste gonna crack if you go to far below -100 and something. Soo logical way was to pour ln2 on the memory soo you can crack the tape. Nice video :D
Summer this year will be the first time I try out some DICE OC. Can't wait to get my hands on the pot and bench! Do you think that DICE with acetone is cold enough to crack the thermal adhesive?
@@BeardedHardware maybe some older hardware like early Intel LGA115* as 2000 & 3000 CPUs & Z68/77 M/B are getting pretty cheap for low budget people 😁, I just picked up a i7-3770K, AsRock Z77 Fata1ity Professional & 16GB DDR3 for $200AUD, It will be for my Video editing PC (upgrading from a i5-2500K @ 4.2GHz & EVGA Z68SLI Micro) but I would like to get better at understanding the more advanced settings, to get the most out of it while being stable
Doesn't the extreme cold->hot cycle entail some risk of damage from the structural strain of heat expansion? I mean, that's basically what loosens the glue-bond in case too right? Maybe it's not enough to matter for the PCB and traces though. Any sticks ever die from this? I wish that if they were going to put heatsinks the RAM in the first place they would at least pretend they had a real function and put some grooves in. Sadly it's just redundant now with RAM being so low wattage, and it's all for the "bling bling" factor.
I’ve put metal pots in memory without issue also.. some types of memory just doesn’t like cold.. why ya don’t see us doing ln2 on mem.. will be doing some ln2 on memory soon.. stay tuned slacker
Ever since they basically stopped making dominator platinum non rgb in high speed low latency kits I’ve started wanting to buy nicer ram and swap best spreaders. Asrock creator with 3990x and 128gb of 3600 c16 or 3950x and 32gb of 3600 c14 swapped with dominator platinum heat spreaders is basically the height of indulgence for me. This is why I can’t have money.
Secondary effects of this process you might not have considered is you've just cryo treated the metals, which should theoretically make them more resistant to fatigue from thermal cycling.
"We've got a Lego bucket from the 90's, I think that should be about as qualified as you can get for a bucket" I'm dead. Can we get a modmat with quotes from Steve on there
@@BeardedHardware DDR4 3200mhz CL16 Hyper X Fury, casing came off as I was getting it out of the MB just cleanly came off, but the glue is so strong that im afraid if I put it back on and its wrong ill have to keep repeating the process and might destroy a chip... I'm oldschool AF and I dont remember any of my Pentium IVs having this shit on the RAMs lmao... Thanks for the answer
Gonna be honest, Found you by trying to remove heatspread from my ripjaw v.. Subbed for the beard. Beardo's unite!! Rather than LN2, would dry ice get things cold enough?
Wow! Nice, now I know how to take the heatsync off, thanks! I use liquid nitrogen for my job, you guys should get a small Styrofoam fridge to pour the liquid nitrogen, It lasts way longer before evaporating than that crappy plastic bucket!
Working on videos, not enough ln2 to do a stream this weekend.. Major work project going on for the next couple of weeks.. I’ll try to get a nightly stream in this week. Researching some stuff on the stripping video.. need a bit of time..
@ bearded hardware, help!! I heard you say on the 3990x liquid nitrogen Livestream that "clock_watchdog_timeout" has to do with cpu not having enough voltage, yet I get the blue screen with PBO+XFR or with a static OC, moved voltage all over, still get the blue screen, I even did 2 clean installs of windows 10 build 1903&1909 , can't figure it out 🥺🥺 Specs : 3900x/ dark rock pro 4 x570 taichi / 32GB Trident z 3600 cl14 Aorus extreme 2080ti Corsair hx 1000w PSU 970 Evo plus nvme 512GB/viper nvme 1TB
@@BeardedHardware well that's the thing, I haven't changed anything, it started doing it and hasn't stopped maybe 3 months after new parts (cpu, RAM, MOBO) exact message is "clock_watchdog_timeout" seen an option for it in BIOS , is auto by default, tried disabling it with no success Temps while playing borderlands 3 , probably most demanding game I play CPU-71°c spikes, normally around 50°c (thermal grizzly paste) GPU-67°c RAM- 40-45°c , MOBO-58°c Chipset-60ish Case has pretty good airflow ,even have a fan maybe an inch from RAM/VRM lol
@@BeardedHardware yeah I'm on the current version, I may try the beta , may do a full teardown or try my GPU in bottom slot, currently in shadow of the tomb raider , cpu & GPU are both boosting normally but crazy stuttering, GPU usage bouncing all over the place , Also from that Livestream I bought one of the mousepads, thanks for the signature 😎
Well, this doesnt help much. I have an old AGP graphics card that has a glued on headsync that i need to replace. Its stuck good on there. Even using floss isnt cutting it.
I never had a problem with using a thin credit card like device to pry open the module heatsinks. Just make sure you get in between the adhesive strip and heatsink. No heat needed. Just twist or rock back and forth.
@@BeardedHardware Sure do, have removed many ddr3 hs'rs some brands like Corsair use crazy glue. Here's first kill of mine, left in ln2 about 20 sec after the temperature equilibrium point. This happened as I went to pull them out imgur.com/a/vKCHc
I hate that people use those temp guns without understanding how they work. I would assume these guys get it since Steve mentioned reflectivity but 99% of people have no clue how to use one and get a result that’s even close to accurate
why am i not surpriced ...next video must be you making that LN2 Powered Rocket sledge ....then go to computex in it .. pretty sure "the virus" cant handle sub zero temperatures .. so win win ;)
@@BeardedHardware Back when I lived in Michigan, you could just drive to the local liquor store and buy a bag of the "nuggets" for a 5-10 bucks. We used to teach our kids how to make pop bottle bombs with it. :)
Good shit, but real quiet.
This explains why I couldn't get spreaders off my dominator platinums. Happy I stopped prying before I broke one.
Yeah ya don’t want to pry.. it sucks when you pull an ic... usually makes it useless
I fixed the audio, but can’t update to youtube without deleting and recreating.. next time will be louder..
Just buy Patriot Viper Steel. The heat spreaders fall off on their own...
I got a pair. Only one side tho :(
Do not forget this.. Next time you visit Steve. I will have a cold brew waiting for you at one of the local bars. Just tell me where. The beard has earned it.
Lol, when you put those sun glasses on! You look like thor in Avengers Endgame... :D
Hahahaha
Pl0dman hahah just in case the LEGO box shattered
That's industrial double-stick tape. Sounds like no big deal but it is a big deal. It's one of those "if you ever want it apart don't use this" things. They use a brutally strong adhesive for it.
Ultra-High Bond Tapes (UHB/VHB)
When you want to make sure your taping job holds up
over time, use Ultra High Bond or Very High Bond (UHB/VHB) double-sided
tape. This type of tape is so strong that it can sometimes be used as an
alternative to other fastening options, such as rivets, spot welds and
liquid adhesives. For heavy-duty taping tasks, you'll want to make sure
you have double-sided UHB tape or VHB tape available to handle the job.
We use a temp chamber at work for sealed devices that need to be opened. So nice and easy. Set the temp chamber to the point where the glue loses most of its adhesion and no worries about going over and melting solder.
Who makes it?
@@BeardedHardware The ones that the EE's use in the lab is a Testequity Model 115A. I think we heat consumer electronics (watches, bike computers) to 60-80 degrees C to loosen up the glue holding the displays on. My office mate says use an Arduino based reflow oven :) That would probably do the trick too and be much cheaper than a brand new $9000 temp chamber.
Tom Budd yeah I’m working on some other stuff I want to play with..thanks broski!
Video seems really quiet, also...leaving it in MEK for a few hours is likely to cause the glue to debond...or even just brushing it on and leaving it for a few seconds..
MEK is restricted in some US states though I beleive (explosives reasons)..it's a longer chain ketone (like Acetone), I use it at work a lot.
The video was a tough edit with some audio, still working with the new mics.. what would concern me is if that stuff would eat the pcb..
@@BeardedHardware Yea I thought as much, no problemo.
MEK should be ok with PCBs. It's not good for Polyurethane based material or PVC. I use it on boards to clean salt water residue off ROVs (Robotically Operated Vehicles) PCBs at work and also clean marine cables down with no problems. I've used it at home for thermal paste, but it's massive overkill.
It'll eat the glue alright, but IPA or Acetone might be a better option as it's less harsh
@@BeardedHardware I was a printer for 20 years & we used MEK as a 'Quick Clean' for dried on ink on many types of metal & anything the ink got on & then dried,
S.A. seems to have some good insight in his comment too, the PCB should be safe but would be worth giving it a test on a stick of RAM that is junk, also I don't know how coloured metal like anodizing would react if you wanna keep the heat spreaders,
I'd also consider a Face mask with vapour filter as it is not good for the respiratory system, I don't print anymore so don't know if it still available here in Australia, but even when I was printing in the 90's there were plans to ban MEK for health reasons
Are you planning on still doing the optimization guide for windows 10?
ItBurnsWhenIP of course... I have to refresh again ;)
This is how Ive been told to remove heatspreaders but since I dont have access to LN2 of Dry Ice I usually just chuck my dimms into my freezer for a hour and then spend another hour prying the heatspreaders off which is absolutely a headache method.
Definitely no fun..
I kina guessed you gonna pour ln2. You said always if you pour ln2 in a pot the thermal paste gonna crack if you go to far below -100 and something. Soo logical way was to pour ln2 on the memory soo you can crack the tape. Nice video :D
Summer this year will be the first time I try out some DICE OC. Can't wait to get my hands on the pot and bench!
Do you think that DICE with acetone is cold enough to crack the thermal adhesive?
Pro Tip: Stick the RAM in the oven and bake at 215F. Then pull out one stick at a time and gently peel off.
Great Vid Steve & Joe 🤗
what about a freezer you normally put food in to preserve for weeks later?
i mean it only goes to about -18/-25 but i wonder if that is 'enough' ..
Likely would work :)
Hello, can you also use a cold spray or, colloquially, ice spray or dry ice for this? Don't want to kill my RAM! thank you
Please Help me
You can use dry ice. Just be very careful, some guys like to use fishing line also with heat.. take your time and don’t force anything.
are you planning on doing beginners overclocking vids with less powerful chips or is that a waste of time and effort?
bobsonian I’m catching up at the moment.. I’m gonna do something similar for sure.. really trying to work out how I wanna show it.. has to be fun :)
@@BeardedHardware cool, loving the content so far. Looking forward to whatever you bring to your channel in the future.
I agree, this would be really Good Bob 😁
@@BeardedHardware maybe some older hardware like early Intel LGA115* as 2000 & 3000 CPUs & Z68/77 M/B are getting pretty cheap for low budget people 😁,
I just picked up a i7-3770K, AsRock Z77 Fata1ity Professional & 16GB DDR3 for $200AUD, It will be for my Video editing PC (upgrading from a i5-2500K @ 4.2GHz & EVGA Z68SLI Micro) but I would like to get better at understanding the more advanced settings, to get the most out of it while being stable
@@BeardedHardware do a 9700k oc on strix z390 id pay to see it, im at 5.3ghz stable
How do you remove fan header clips from gpus? I can never even unplug the fan if I want to repaste it. That is the real impossible task.
Just pull it out usually. Just don't grab the part that's attached to the PCB.
You could also try to move away the cooler without needing to disconnect the wire. That's what I did.
Doesn't the extreme cold->hot cycle entail some risk of damage from the structural strain of heat expansion? I mean, that's basically what loosens the glue-bond in case too right?
Maybe it's not enough to matter for the PCB and traces though. Any sticks ever die from this?
I wish that if they were going to put heatsinks the RAM in the first place they would at least pretend they had a real function and put some grooves in. Sadly it's just redundant now with RAM being so low wattage, and it's all for the "bling bling" factor.
TheStigma I haven’t killed one that way yet.. and I’ve done it a bunch of times.
I’ve put metal pots in memory without issue also.. some types of memory just doesn’t like cold.. why ya don’t see us doing ln2 on mem.. will be doing some ln2 on memory soon.. stay tuned slacker
Ever since they basically stopped making dominator platinum non rgb in high speed low latency kits I’ve started wanting to buy nicer ram and swap best spreaders. Asrock creator with 3990x and 128gb of 3600 c16 or 3950x and 32gb of 3600 c14 swapped with dominator platinum heat spreaders is basically the height of indulgence for me. This is why I can’t have money.
Secondary effects of this process you might not have considered is you've just cryo treated the metals, which should theoretically make them more resistant to fatigue from thermal cycling.
Too many worried about cycling .. take cpus and gpus down to -196 and they are fine ;)
"We've got a Lego bucket from the 90's, I think that should be about as qualified as you can get for a bucket"
I'm dead. Can we get a modmat with quotes from Steve on there
MY heatsink came off on one of my RAMS I dont want to put it back in is that fine or can i kill my mb or ram this way? thanks
Likely should be fine.. depends on type of ram.
@@BeardedHardware DDR4 3200mhz CL16 Hyper X Fury, casing came off as I was getting it out of the MB just cleanly came off, but the glue is so strong that im afraid if I put it back on and its wrong ill have to keep repeating the process and might destroy a chip... I'm oldschool AF and I dont remember any of my Pentium IVs having this shit on the RAMs lmao... Thanks for the answer
@@Pedro-tl7jg should be fine
@@BeardedHardwareThanks!
Gonna be honest, Found you by trying to remove heatspread from my ripjaw v.. Subbed for the beard. Beardo's unite!! Rather than LN2, would dry ice get things cold enough?
Yep, heat and fishing line can work too
So cool. We have LN2 at work
My only real takeaway from this is how good the Lego buckets are
Not so much, it cracked
@@BeardedHardware :(
Wow! Nice, now I know how to take the heatsync off, thanks! I use liquid nitrogen for my job, you guys should get a small Styrofoam fridge to pour the liquid nitrogen, It lasts way longer before evaporating than that crappy plastic bucket!
Was spur of the moment.. plus I like to beam something at Steve’s every time I go there hahaha
of course steve keeps an 90's lego bucket its his favorite color
There's water on it! You killed it!
Great stuff. Hope to see more episodes soon. Got any plans for an overclocking stream soon? Also still waiting for that Windows OS Stripping video!
Working on videos, not enough ln2 to do a stream this weekend.. Major work project going on for the next couple of weeks.. I’ll try to get a nightly stream in this week. Researching some stuff on the stripping video.. need a bit of time..
@ bearded hardware, help!! I heard you say on the 3990x liquid nitrogen Livestream that "clock_watchdog_timeout" has to do with cpu not having enough voltage, yet I get the blue screen with PBO+XFR or with a static OC, moved voltage all over, still get the blue screen, I even did 2 clean installs of windows 10 build 1903&1909 , can't figure it out 🥺🥺
Specs : 3900x/ dark rock pro 4
x570 taichi / 32GB Trident z 3600 cl14
Aorus extreme 2080ti
Corsair hx 1000w PSU
970 Evo plus nvme 512GB/viper nvme 1TB
How’s your temps? And mount? When it bluescreen, what’s the exact message?
@@BeardedHardware well that's the thing, I haven't changed anything, it started doing it and hasn't stopped maybe 3 months after new parts (cpu, RAM, MOBO) exact message is "clock_watchdog_timeout" seen an option for it in BIOS , is auto by default, tried disabling it with no success
Temps while playing borderlands 3 , probably most demanding game I play
CPU-71°c spikes, normally around 50°c (thermal grizzly paste)
GPU-67°c
RAM- 40-45°c ,
MOBO-58°c
Chipset-60ish
Case has pretty good airflow ,even have a fan maybe an inch from RAM/VRM lol
Have you updated bios?
@@BeardedHardware yeah I'm on the current version, I may try the beta , may do a full teardown or try my GPU in bottom slot,
currently in shadow of the tomb raider , cpu & GPU are both boosting normally but crazy stuttering, GPU usage bouncing all over the place ,
Also from that Livestream I bought one of the mousepads, thanks for the signature 😎
deminybs something seems off for sure.. maybe put it on a test bench and rule some things out..
Is it my phone or sound is low?
nawzy202 problem I can’t update the fix :(
@@BeardedHardware no problems Buddy It's forgiven lol
Could I do this with a small acetone+dry ice bath?
No please don’t, the acetone can hurt the memory pcb.
@@BeardedHardware thank you i could not easily find info on whether or not acetone damages pcb/circuits
@@Rugg-qk4pl it’s one of those things, best to keep away.
Could you soak the ram in a 99.9% isopropyl solution?
Not gonna do much
@@BeardedHardware Wouldn't the iso be able to dissolve the adhesive holding the heat spreader in place?
@@kingzero3098 probably would, but likely take overnight.. try it and let me know :)
Audio is very low, please overclock it louder!
Yeah youtube won’t let me fix with out deleting and reloading uggh..
What hapened to your mic's???
I butchered the sound when I added the music, I fixed it but can’t upload the fix .. uggh youtube
@@BeardedHardware 🤣 TH-cam.
Well, this doesnt help much. I have an old AGP graphics card that has a glued on headsync that i need to replace. Its stuck good on there. Even using floss isnt cutting it.
Dry ice
Was hoping for a stream TBH
We will have one soon.. don't worry :)
My Man! I forgot you made videos lol slacker
Video every week when I’m not sick slacka
I never had a problem with using a thin credit card like device to pry open the module heatsinks. Just make sure you get in between the adhesive strip and heatsink. No heat needed. Just twist or rock back and forth.
Not all are the same and they have been using some crazy sticky glue.
@@BeardedHardware Sure do, have removed many ddr3 hs'rs some brands like Corsair use crazy glue. Here's first kill of mine, left in ln2 about 20 sec after the temperature equilibrium point. This happened as I went to pull them out imgur.com/a/vKCHc
Don’t pry slacker .. wait for the pop
@@BeardedHardware Haha, I didn't even touch them yet when they popped on their own while still in the ln2
@@Gti_Jason any tips for doing this in 2021?
Cool Bro😀
that boiling liquid is water?
Liquid Nitrogen LN2
Slacking @Eskimonster
Dry ice do the same thing
Yes sir.. many ways to do things :)
Xylol sumerge it on it, it will dissolve the glue.
I hate that people use those temp guns without understanding how they work. I would assume these guys get it since Steve mentioned reflectivity but 99% of people have no clue how to use one and get a result that’s even close to accurate
Intro us! Lol. SLACK ATTACK!
BG music is irritating :/ thought it was my case fans acting up for a second
why am i not surpriced ...next video must be you making that LN2 Powered Rocket sledge ....then go to computex in it .. pretty sure "the virus" cant handle sub zero temperatures .. so win win ;)
I have totally broken ram doing this.
Richard Mack oh yes many times too
Ever tried dry ice? Much cheaper and more accessible than LN2...
d00dEEE done a bunch with dry ice, it’s fun but harder to get than ln2
d00dEEE you just gave me a great idea.
@@BeardedHardware Back when I lived in Michigan, you could just drive to the local liquor store and buy a bag of the "nuggets" for a 5-10 bucks. We used to teach our kids how to make pop bottle bombs with it. :)
d00dEEE hahaha that’s awesome .. dry ice is fun like that.. much better then using ln2 lol
Steve bless your heart....... u r soooo scared.....
Now im need LN2 XD
just wait 10 years they just fall of on corsair :))
Like #400.
Vaxtin nice broski!!
first
First slack hahah
@@BeardedHardware Gotta slack ,when you gotta slack.