You made me think: "After all, why not? Why shouldn't I make 45 ravens in a ladder game". Lost 4 games in a row, but I really had my fun. It's totally worth it. =)
Back in my hayday early on during the Wings of Liberty days I used mass ravens with marines and bunkers, early building armor. get a sneaky base early ish. and mass the ravens, but we also had way better auto turrets and Hunter seeker missiles... ahhh those were days, I made IDRA so mad on ladder multiple times with this strat.
Hey Thermal! To echo another comment from another video I'd love to see you play the campaign with the Nightmare difficulty mod. Love watching you play MP but would also really love seeing how you tackle nightmare.
Dude I second this soooo much. I would religiously watch every episode and I know a bunch of other people would also -And it’s probably a lot less work than coming up with 1v1 strats
I love your games. It's so much fun. You had all those Ravens, and I did not see you use an anti-armor missile. Maybe use one anti-armor missile and then drop a whole bunch of turrets. That might amplify the effect of the turrets. Also, you could use mules to heal up those Ravens, if you have a big clump of Ravens on the opposite side of the map.
Blizzard hates Terran having splash damage,not only both Zerg and Protoss got more splash with new units, but also Collosus got a buff. Terran not only lost seeker missile but now they nerfed mines.
I thought you were allowed to remake marines up to the limit when they get killed. I'm 90% sure that was the interpretation of the rule in the previous challenges.
@uthermal With all the benefit of knowing what your build is etc... I would say the best thing a zerg player could do is either get some corruptors/mutas out, build a viper or go for an early roach pressure. Whatever the choice I just don't think they can let you get to multi planetary fortress and 1000 turret setup or else it seems a little doomed. The one thing I really think your comp does well is demand some kind of skill from the zerg just because if they want to do a ling run by and you got mines all over the place doing ling splits is not the easiest thing to do, to drag/minimise damage.
I honestly don't understand the raven/turret nerf. I haven't seen ravens be particularly OP in the ladder or in professional play. I swear someone on the community patch committee watches your stream and then implements changes to fuck it up. The cyclone nerf is still one of the biggest patch mistakes possible. It's like all they want are marine tanks attacks.
I remember a few seasons ago, one of the many nerfs to Ravens was with the excuse that they "didn't want people massing spellcasters" - next pro tournament I saw a top zerg build 17 infestors at the same time. Nothing was said.
@@Tsnafu There were a couple of points where ravens were completely op. I remember being able to destroy entire armies with mass seaker missiles. And there was also a point early on where auto turrets were op. They had a lot of health and a really long duration.
I would think Ultra/Ling/Bane would counter this pretty hard. Have the ultra's lead the charge. Those turrets and mines are going to do very little damage to them, the banes can burst down the planetary's, and the lings mop up the rest.
This is my fav build, even after nerf. I set up mine zones of death to contain them in base and go in and out with the Ravens, just chipping. Lowest GG to game ratio.
Scouting MULEs challenge. You are only allowed to scout using MULEs. At least half your MULEs must be for scouting. Instead of a regular scan, you can scan the corner of their base and drop down a MULE into the corner that you have vision of, and run around their base with your MULE.
Yeah I played against this and it was the easiest game I had in hundreds of sessions. Please continue inspiring stupid T players into making awful builds.
You made me think: "After all, why not? Why shouldn't I make 45 ravens in a ladder game".
Lost 4 games in a row, but I really had my fun. It's totally worth it. =)
Need to be Master/GM level to pull it off consistently lol
Why am I not surprised that you lost all of those games? At least it ended with right results. Good for your opponents.
Back in my hayday early on during the Wings of Liberty days I used mass ravens with marines and bunkers, early building armor. get a sneaky base early ish. and mass the ravens, but we also had way better auto turrets and Hunter seeker missiles... ahhh those were days, I made IDRA so mad on ladder multiple times with this strat.
Hey Thermal! To echo another comment from another video I'd love to see you play the campaign with the Nightmare difficulty mod. Love watching you play MP but would also really love seeing how you tackle nightmare.
Dude I second this soooo much. I would religiously watch every episode and I know a bunch of other people would also
-And it’s probably a lot less work than coming up with 1v1 strats
uThermal: *tortures GMs with Raven Mine*
Blizzard: That's enough of that.
Mule drops to grandmaster
That would probably just end up being proxy Thor/battle cruiser, no?
This is an awesome idea. Drop like 40 miles and just steal an entire mineral patch in one go
Stealing enemy minerals ?
@@arjunsubbarao5860but if the mules had to walk 40 miles they would not reach in time. Jk, I know it’s a typo
No Mineral mining SCVs to Grandmaster - only mules :) SCVs for gas is ok :) Though it might be easier to just allow 15 SCVs max for the game.
Loving the clutch moves (especially in the 3rd game) and the play-by-play commentary. I missed these challenges!
31:18 FINALLY! That ovi made me nerveuse the whole time :D
I love your games. It's so much fun.
You had all those Ravens, and I did not see you use an anti-armor missile.
Maybe use one anti-armor missile and then drop a whole bunch of turrets. That might amplify the effect of the turrets.
Also, you could use mules to heal up those Ravens, if you have a big clump of Ravens on the opposite side of the map.
The Ovie in your base in game 2 was very stress inducing
4:20 your window mines killed like 11 SCVs lol!
It`s a widow mine :) You have windows at home
@@pawelwis7215you can have widows at home too
@@pawelwis7215 It made a window in enemy's economy, so I think michaelkrell9794 is onto something here
4:22 kills ~7 own workers with a mine. Not a bad start!
Love to see a return to this series!
Your videos make me happy. Thank you
4:23: Widow Mine is the strongest Zerg unit.
Anti-Armor Missile: "Am I a joke to you?"
Blizzard hates Terran having splash damage,not only both Zerg and Protoss got more splash with new units, but also Collosus got a buff. Terran not only lost seeker missile but now they nerfed mines.
Terran has siege tanks. Lol.
Hopefully this means we get no warp gate to GM tomorrow!
I am so happy you came back to this one 😂😎😎
It’s so cool to see the effect of upgrades people don’t think about often like building armor!
I thought you were allowed to remake marines up to the limit when they get killed. I'm 90% sure that was the interpretation of the rule in the previous challenges.
came to say this as well =)
Hope not, otherwise you can just infinitely reuse a reaper
ur my favorite sc2 content. TY!
Challenge suggestion : No one has ever done Swarm Hosts to GM! You could be the first.
Thermy can defend a roach ravager all-in with 3 marines on the low ground. I can't defend it with 10 marines and a tank.
@uthermal With all the benefit of knowing what your build is etc... I would say the best thing a zerg player could do is either get some corruptors/mutas out, build a viper or go for an early roach pressure. Whatever the choice I just don't think they can let you get to multi planetary fortress and 1000 turret setup or else it seems a little doomed. The one thing I really think your comp does well is demand some kind of skill from the zerg just because if they want to do a ling run by and you got mines all over the place doing ling splits is not the easiest thing to do, to drag/minimise damage.
Thanks for the fun ravenous mining! ^^
The Overlord survived 10mins in the natural and not a single Nydus in there
This cheese is more disgusting than a ball of Mozzarella out of the fridge for 3 months in a soanish summer heat
I honestly don't understand the raven/turret nerf. I haven't seen ravens be particularly OP in the ladder or in professional play. I swear someone on the community patch committee watches your stream and then implements changes to fuck it up. The cyclone nerf is still one of the biggest patch mistakes possible. It's like all they want are marine tanks attacks.
No, they nerfed auto turrets bc of TvT, they were too op counter tanks
I remember a few seasons ago, one of the many nerfs to Ravens was with the excuse that they "didn't want people massing spellcasters" - next pro tournament I saw a top zerg build 17 infestors at the same time. Nothing was said.
@@Tsnafu There were a couple of points where ravens were completely op. I remember being able to destroy entire armies with mass seaker missiles. And there was also a point early on where auto turrets were op. They had a lot of health and a really long duration.
@@RossRadikSherman Glorious days - I remember them well
Raven Mine? I liked before the video even started 😎
Priceless reaction 24:50, I could see all 5 stages of grief
Nerfed units to Grand Master
"Units i got Nerfed to GM" you mean!
He isn't a Protoss player.
mb next will be "Planetary-SCV to GM"? :)
I would think Ultra/Ling/Bane would counter this pretty hard. Have the ultra's lead the charge. Those turrets and mines are going to do very little damage to them, the banes can burst down the planetary's, and the lings mop up the rest.
if i remember correctly it took 7 auto turrets to kill a hatch
This is my fav build, even after nerf. I set up mine zones of death to contain them in base and go in and out with the Ravens, just chipping. Lowest GG to game ratio.
Auto-Turrets are immune to widow mine firing friendly fire.
Auto-turrets count as buildings. Widow mines can't target nor damage buildings, right?
love these series
Can you setup with another gm level player. Mass raven hellion vs mass science vessel vulture.
Really wanted the second guy to make ultralisks
Lol, looking forward to these challenges
Games 2 and 3, he was a good sport. GG IHasThighs
lol that widow mine shot killed 10 scv
what those "Z" means at beggining?
the random race opponent was telling marc he was zerg
@@supernautistaken aahhhh stupid me :D
earlier starports and techlabs I think
Ketroc has a pretty good build for mass raven
Episode 3 is missing ;)
Long distance mining to gm like you can't mine on your main every scv probe need to go down and mine in the second expand (no CC lift)
is this ketroc or is this thermy I cant tell :D
Also might not be the best time for Raven Mine to GM if both the Raven and Mine got nerfed into the ground
thats so RAVEN!
Ha. First watch. Claimed my spot. Fan from South Africa!
I just exploded 2 guys with raven cyclone mine lol
Let's go!
Please do blink DT to grandmaster!
hi, start doing challenges in starcraft evo mod, where you can find a lot more variety in enemies and as well in your own bulds
YEEES!!!
Scouting MULEs challenge. You are only allowed to scout using MULEs. At least half your MULEs must be for scouting. Instead of a regular scan, you can scan the corner of their base and drop down a MULE into the corner that you have vision of, and run around their base with your MULE.
Thank you Thermy!!!! We love you Marc, my bald knight in shining armor!!! ♥️♥️♥️😝😝
Nicinger!
I mean don't want to plug Ketroc too much but it's definitely worth looking at for mass Raven tips
I hate ravens. Especially during the Heart of the Swarm days.
Autoturret is not a free unit... it is a building!
NGL the raven and widow mine nerfs make this series unwatchable for me. It's ridiculous how weak they are now
Haha can you imagine thinking Zerg is better than Terran instead of thinking Serral is better than Clem lololol
Which is nnice
Yeah I played against this and it was the easiest game I had in hundreds of sessions. Please continue inspiring stupid T players into making awful builds.
Second!
so sad that blizzard has such a massive hate boner for terran nerfing all the fun tools we once had 😭
Blizzard? :o
Blizzard hasn't done any balance changes in years
wait is the balance done by some external contractor or something?
It's kinda messed up though that nearly all of his content is just crushing diamond players when he's one of the best in the world...
😂 what are you talking about? not even this entire video is in diamond league hes already in masters and playing with a handicap lol