Never in my 76 years have I seen anyone like Jordan Peterson given a platform to speak on at almost any level about Christianity, a faith he does not practice, and on Jesus Christ in whom he has yet to confess. It is as if I had never studied automobile mechanics and am not even sure of the combustible engine and yet am constantly appearing as guest speaker for all of the major innovative automotive conferences throughout the word!
@@cosmictreason2242 personally I took his position as a half-way house between atheism and an orthodox faith. God uses all things to his glory, and I do believe he's using Peterson to do this for many young people in highly materialist countries
_"The Spirit That Gave Rise to the Cosmic Order"_ This may be uncharitable on my part, but for some reason I have a notion that a lot of these intellectual types just like to compete with each other to create the least coherent strings of words to describe things for which we already have very elegant and descriptive words.
Maybe, maybe not. What Peterson is doing there is defining God without using the word 'God', which can be a useful exercise when conversing with someone with whom you aren't sure that you both share the same definition of the word itself. In that exact moment, he was also performing active listening by summarizing Musk's attempt to speak about God as well in hopes that they could come to an agreed definition. From that perspective, it's a pretty useful thing for him to do. Do you have any non-Christian friends? If so -- and if they are good enough friend to allow for this -- see if you can agree on a definition of 'God' together. It's not as straight-forward as it might seem to be.
@@bnations2000 But Peterson doesn't know much about the biblical God. He has no business defining God for someone else who also doesn't believe in the biblical God. They're BOTH clueless.
@@Yesica1993 You might be surprised at how much Peterson knows given that he's done a series of explorations on a number of Biblical books and themes. He speaks like a pretty well versed guy on those subjects; although, he doesn't speak like any of my friends or I do. That is probably to be expected given that he comes from an academic background, and we don't though. As to the clueless part, I don't know about that either. He strikes me more as a guy working his way towards God as Life presents him with larger and larger problems to solve. He's already come a fair piece.
@@bnations2000 Please do not condescend to me, okay? He treats the Bible as either (just) literature, or as some sort of psychological work. He does not hold the biblical view. Not at all. Therefore, he should not be teaching it. Discussion, sure. But not teaching it, in the way he has been doing. He does not know the Bible, in the way it was meant to be known.
I will say that Jordan Peterson was a huge influence for me, forcing me to reconsider Christianity. However, as I’ve grown in faith I find his analysis of Christianity woefully anemic to the point where I feel nauseous. In the end, behind all his eloquence, he still fails to bridge the gap between is and ought. At root, he seems to me nothing more than a self-help guru. Christless Christian ethics transform no one.
Indeed. He's too intellectual for his own good and can maybe be discribed as 'pseudo christian', constanlty wandering the the periphery of salvation but never really coming in. Hurry up and come in time is short. Maybe his booksales and image are more important to him
@@manager0175 While intellectual pursuits are valuable, there are situations where excessive intellectualism can become impractical. In his contexts, focusing too much on abstract theories or deep analysis but never coming to any truth or reall action. So there is mate
I follow Pastor Wilson and respect him. I just want to share that these two men aren't Christians, far off theologians. I do appreciate them immensely, involving themselves w The Bible and Christianity themes and respecting Christ as they do! The hope for me is that the souls they touch come to the Bible, study for themselves, and by the Grace of God become born again! I appreciate Dough's analysis, thank God as a Christian myself, I recognize what these two characters truly are but pray and trust they come to Christ fully! I hope the best for them.🙏
To want and have the benefits of a Christian society without the recognition and allegiance to the God of Christianity is to mock Him, and to ignore Him as the West has been gradually doing it is no wonder we are spiralling into a miry pit of debauchery and depravity.
Mainstream American Christianity has abandoned its own principles. There are churches who remain true but the conservative political incarnation of faith has utterly lost the plot. Endorsing leaders who openly celebrate the contradiction of every virtue described by Jesus Christ. They want to blame liberal professors and video games and rock music and whatever else for the erosion of values but never take ownership of the obvious contradictions represented by their own behavior. I think anyone who wants to uphold a model of society and recommend values to other people needs to represent those values in their own behavior first. That's the first and most significant missing piece.
Grace, Peace, n LOVE In The Only Thrice-HOLY KING. What is Your conclusion? Might i Encourage You in CHRIST, Sister --to run to the Holy Text for the [personal] solution, and the Faithfully-Obedient actions Commanded. Even CHRISTians are affected by the world (yes, all three; world, satahn, n flesh), and Conquering It (them) for CHRIST; Rather, HIM Putting All Enemies Under HIS Holy Feet through HIS People -Whom the {defensive} gates hell will Not withstand against. i would much rather be surrounded by People who are not CHRISTians, but have a Christian Worldview, than i would be with those who do not "have [or, even 'want'] the Benifits of a Christian society!!-)
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING. GOD Bless n Keep You KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING. GOD Bless n Keep You KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING. GOD Bless n Keep You KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
This probably will never happen, but I would love to watch a conversation between Doug Wilson and Jordan Peterson. Doug would get past Peterson's intellectual semantics to get to the truth.
Exactly my thought. Jordan loves to obfuscate simple concepts with a lot of high sounding verbiage. The Bible expressly talks of the simplicity that is in Christ.
Its tough to present this idea to cultural Christians. They cannot grasp that if the Christian ethic is simply a "good idea" it falls to the same fate as other subjective moralities. People will eventually say, "It's a good idea for you, but not for me." Then when they impose this other morality you have little to stand on and we end up in a similar place to where we are now, or worse.
It seems like that reasoning is the same utiliarian reasoning . I mean you’re saying it’s more useful to be a religion with faith as it has more clout in the culture of ideas
Man, seems like Musk is trying to reap all the benefits of a society that believes in Christ and God without actually saying they are real. And Jordan Peterson is mediating the fact that they are real but doesn't really believe it fully himself. Praying for the both of them...
Most of these guys are like that. Chris Williamson, Elon Musk, JP, Douglas Murray, Rogan. It’s the typical classical liberal who laments the way in which western societies are going but fail to realize that an active faith in Christ is what has built the foundations of the West. They are merely reaping the benefits of the Judeo-Christian worldview while not offering anyone a solid foundation. “Clean your room, tell the truth, work hard”, are all noble habits to develop, but why? Without knowing the God of the Bible all you’re left with is ultimately preference.
Peterson is trying to build a bridge from rationalism to a post-enlightenment renaissance. In order to do that, he is assuming a materialist frame as a starting point and then trying to move the needle any way he can. You can compare it to Paul in Athens, starting his preaching by using their "unknown god" shrine. Peterson is consciously taking as much dogmatic language out of his public vocabulary as he can so as many rationalists will go along for the ride as possible. You can say that isn't properly pious, but underneath every single one of his videos you will find dozens of comments: "i started going to church and praying again after listening to JP lectures". As Christ himself said, you'll know them by their fruits. Jordan produces good fruit, more so than the previous pharisaic preaching class.
@@barrettcarl3009 No that's not the connection I was getting at. Moreso that Jordan Peterson is the pagan intellectual of our time and Doug Wilson the Christian intellectual of our time. Both of them are very articulate.
I think it’s because he’s found out he can be a big deal if he repackages basic Christian beliefs as not Christian. If he becomes Christian, then he will be just another Christian sharing Christian truths
There are no outreach efforts for overachievers who have a christian heritage and sadly many evangelical churches would be unappealing to such people. People need to come up with strategies to evangelize the high performing men in our society.
The problem there is that the culture of the christians is one of betrayal over brotherhood. I've seen it countless times in my life, and it's one of the main reasons why I don't join a church. Look to your own words -- "outreach efforts for overachievers" and "evangelize the high performing men". Really? What about me? I can point you to a thousand small fry, guys just trying hard to grow something, yet the emphasis is on those who have already achieved something... and therefore can do something for the church in return. It's not about helping those who need help, but doing what benefits the church in a grand fashion. I often tell folks that they need to "Tend the Garden". That means you have to nurture the crop from the start, not just hope a crop shows up and then lavish attention on the best of the plants. Sadly, we become so enamored of the bloom that we forget the roots. Think about how that looks to those who are struggling. We expect some kind of benefit from the likes of Musk, yet he can look around and see that the church does nothing for its own people. We expect a form of allegiance now that he's big and powerful, but we showed no allegiance when he was small and just starting out. We plant a seed and then expect it to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune all on its own. We tell our people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work harder, go out there and earn for themselves. How many failed in the struggle? How many withered and died because they just couldn't catch that lucky break? And if they do make something of themselves, then we expect them to show some solidarity and loyalty... even though we never showed any when they were struggling to survive. We have a real problem in the church, and it explains why Christendom is in the state that it is. People complain about how we don't build nice things anymore, but they also don't tend the garden, making sure that those who would make nice things have the environment to make nice things. Culture is the collection of a thousand little things we do every day. The master craftsman we call upon to build the next Great Cathedral needs decades of small jobs to hone his skills so he's ready to build the next Great Cathedral, but where do we support our craftsmen? Look in the average christian home, and it's full of the same mass-produced chintz found in the house of an atheist. Look at the taxes and regulations that christians supported, and then wonder why all the good jobs are gone. Folks didn't tend their garden. Instead, we put our boys through four years of wood shop in school, only for them to graduate and go out into a town without any wood shops to work in. Where do we support our furniture makers, tailors, seamstresses, cobblers and bodgers, smiths and masons? The time for outreach isn't when someone's become successful. Tend the roots and the blooms will appear.
30 minutes on something that should take a few seconds? Yeah, that sounds about like Peterson. LOL! Look I love the guy. But he does drive me crazy with that.
Great work to Biblically comment on this one! Prayerfully they both find healing in Christ. John Rich really nailed it with Peterson in his interview with him, asking him straight up why he wouldn't commit himself to Christ.
I just googled it, wow. He says He doesn't know what that means. Not answering the question. There was a comedian named Benjamin Owen. He called out J P. 10 years ago. But I didn't know who He was talking about. He even showed him dress in drag. Which if you know about cult initiation, that is part of it
@@douglasfapp9816 did he not say that if there was a camera at the tomb then it would have recorded a resurrected Christ walking out ? Not saying your wrong that was just the thing that stuck in my head. Ended up not watching the full thing though. It seems to me that JP is lost in the pursuit of learning rather than understanding Christ.
@davidjmitchell77. Is it not obvious to you yet that the main characters in America use the jesus talking points because the vast majority of their audience are fair weather, charismatic or Catholic cult followers? They never say one way or the other what they believe. They’re always vague. If you loved Jesus you’d proclaim it. Not do meth, dress in drag and act like Jesus being your saviour is a complicated question. It’s a simple yes Jesus was the son of god and died for my sins. My child can answer that question. All politicians and “brilliant minds” use Jesus to gain financially. Get a grip. Jordan Peterson has no intentions on following god when he’s in a global cabal of Satan worshippers. They all go to the same under ground beat up clubs
We can work with these “cultural Christian” types, but standing shoulder to shoulder with them against trash world should lead us to pray for their salvation and to freely share the gospel when relevant to the conversation.
In the end, everyone wants the benefits of righteous living (peace, comfort, order) without believing in the foundations of righteous ethics (I.e. God) or living the lifestyle.
No. Having motivations doesn't make something utilitarian. Utilitarianism is making choices based primarily on utility. That the atonement would result in the flourishing of western civilization, so for the greater benefit of mankind after versus before, he went to the cross. That's not what he did
I hope they find Randy White Ministries. Dr. White is the best theologian, pastor, and teacher I’ve come across. He considers all perspectives and biblically evaluates the strengths and weaknesses of positions. These men would like him.
The pragmatic utility of cultural Christianity is clear to these geniuses. That the masses believe in and follow Christian ethics is what attracts them. Personal salvation isn't their bag, but they'll de-construct it for you and intellectualise the resulting pros and cons of it. They are social engineers, toying with the mechanisms of spiritual principles which they rightly observe to be at work here.
Two men seeking to fashion their own Matrix world by borrowing Christian principles without Christ are ultimately still at war with their Lord Jesus. Only in this life may they borrow God's stuff while stiff arming Him along the way.
Elon keeps saying the things Jesus taught are wise and good, pertaining to his teaching on ethics. But the crux of the matter is what Jesus said about himself and what he came to do true. Is it true that Jesus is who he said? You can’t preach to society that he was wrong about that stuff, but he’s right about this ethical stuff and expect that to be enough to create a moral society.
“For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.” 1 Corinthians 1:18-21 These men are a great example of those who have worldly wisdom, but cannot discern spiritual things. They appear to have eyes wide open, but they are blind. May the Lord grant them new hearts to receive the folly of what we preach, and discern spiritual things.
I mean, they did present a decent argument for why Christianity being beneficial to society from a secular perspective. And that's useful for defending Christianity to a secular culture.
Thank you Pastor Wilson. This is an extremely important distinction. Hopefully someone has been able to share your insights with Dr. Peterson. C.S. Lewis - "Christianity, if false, is of no importance, but if true, of infinite importance, the only thing it cannot be is moderately important." IMHO, Lewis was referring to Jesus' divinity. NOT to Christian values like forgiveness. As it is Jesus' divinity that separates the truths he shared from a personal 'philosophy'. The various elements of which, every person may or may not agree. Jesus was NOT speaking as a philosopher like Socrates. He was speaking as one directly 'connected' with God. So inherent to the position of being a cultural christian is the implicit assumption that Christianity is "moderately important". IMO, Jordan Peterson and perhaps Elon Musk are great men but both "see through a glass, darkly"; they, like the rest of us 'know' but 'in part'.
I couldn’t help but notice Elon talking of a “thinking society,” as if a society can think at all, or consider itself happy. Let alone happiness, contentment, or even a more neutral term like wellbeing as the best one can hope for. Joy, Glory, Gratitude, and other emotions, well, if one is picking an emotion to base society on seems you could aim higher.
Quite frightening how childish this conversation is . Both these men are successful and seen as highly intelligent and intellectual. But in religious terms ,they are crèche level thinkers. Albeit with bigger words. But they simply know nothing that matters in religious terms.
Christianity is the only pathway in life that leads to eternal joy and peace in Heaven. Hearing God’s word, believing in it and Jesus, repenting of sin, confessing Jesus’ identity as the Son of God and Lord, and being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for forgiveness and salvation is the doorway through Jesus that God gave us. It leads to Jesus adding us to His church, the Church of Christ, the one He built (Matthew 16:18).
It is useful to them for as a means to an end for their political and financial gains. Like how Calvinism grew with capitalism after the fall of feudalism and Catholicism.
That's why his cult-like followers love it! I promise you, if he got genuinely saved and started presenting it as, "Thus sayeth the Lord", his fanboys would turn on him, overnight. I often wonder if that's one of the things holding him back. He makes a huge amount of money, not just from his books and regular speaking engagements, but from his "rock star"-like world tours. There is no way they'd put up with him telling them they must repent!
Christ makes himself a uniquely qualified memorial of the bio-logical ethic that condemns sin that decays, that is not satisfied with decay but heals and offers healing; the human responsibility to learn to heal and heal is the Christian ethic that Jesus personifies.
perhaps utilitarianism can lead someone to acknowledge the truth of the gospel, as platonism led Augustine to Christianity. Any thoughts? For those who have read Augustine's Confessions.
if you take away God and the lordship out of the picture, why should I care what brings the most happiness for the most people over time? As long as my actions bring the most happiness for me, and whoever I happen to care about, why do the rest even matter? Answer is, they don't...
The story behind his odd looking outfits is pretty cool, actually. A company made them for him and they gave him twelve complete suits, each one modeled on what they thought he meant in each of his Twelve Rules for Life book. The voice? That's just what happens as you age and your voice becomes weaker.
They are both ethics. Peterson's is existentialist and stoic. Do your duty even though there seems to be no point, because what else do you have? That's not very compelling
Haha lol-) im laughin' out loud lit. (The Family has to think im nuts; or, Know!-) 5:20 somethin in, Musk mentions his baptism -Unc gonna "Grab You by Your Baptism", Bud!
A question i would love to ask. So if you believe so much in Christian ethics, why should you believe in an ethical framework outlined by someone claiming to be the Son of God who you do not believe to be the Son of God? I can't believe Peterson wouldn't have thought about this already and would give us an hour long answer. Although successful in the business world, Musk doesn't seem to be much of a thinker in the spiritual or religious realm and may not even have much of an answer.
Peterson isn't perfect on this subject. It is also undeniable the positive impact he's had in regard to helping people recognize and instill Christian values in their lives
it's almost like there's no societal incentive or reason anymore for someone to be a good person. Doug says it himself. You need to give men a reason to get out of bed in the morning... (women)
I'm not sure what you were expecting considering that they both never claimed to be Christians. They're simply not going to think the same way as you. Jordan and musk are both vastly different from the average person-that's one reason why lots of people want to hear what they have to say.
Jordan is annoying(as are most podcasters). He needs tomlearn how to listen instead of trying to steer his guest in the direction he'd like. Let them explain themselves fully.
Why do ordinary people have to believe in the mythos of Jesus Christ? Why does Jesus need lordship? You say that people need it, but why tho? Is it not possible to live a virtuous life without submitting to Christ?
@@devinjansa9329 no, it is not. Because truth is the highest virtue and if you do not have that then everything you do lacks virtue. "I did this good deed because i hate you"
Someone will have to make it genuinely believable to the people who have a Fedora tipper personality. Either you make it so people can actually believe it, instead of not be barely hanging on, trying to not lose Pascal's Wager.
@@cosmictreason2242 I have gotten some fasciniting things from the PVK channel. He has taken many viewpoints from people in many types of belief or nonbelief. I said that I choose agnostic because I say that at this time, the truth is not knowable to me. There is no way to exactly prove the nonexistence of anything at all.
You either believe that God created all this in 6 days, rested on the 7th, blessed it and hallowed it, or you don't believe it. The rest is downstream, and Peterson will be hard pressed to disavow his Maps of Meaning and the jungian underpinnings of his world view and approach to Biblical truth.
@@manager0175 there are strong arguments against evolution. Walter Veith,a former professor of evolution, has an eighth part lecture series titled Genesis Conflict.
God is a Spirit! Don't nitpick Jordan Peterson. God is using Jordan to advance His plan better than the majority of the so-called protestant megachurch preachers.
Sadly, the book of Job was written to answer the age old question, "Why do bad things happen to good people?" There is really nothing else to the story.
Job is a window into the mind of men and their understanding of God in a post Flood world, contemporary with the call of Abraham, and many years prior to the call of Moses. Job 19:23-27 is a messianic prophecy, but from a "gentile" perspective, many long years before the Jews even existed. There's a progression in the narrative like that of John, chapter nine, ending with the confession "I was blind but now I see."
Job has lots in it. Evidence of dinosaurs, an early witness to belief in bodily resurrection after physical death, a denial of two false views of righteousness and the cause of suffering, insight into Satan's power and operation, insight from elihu into how God uses calamity to wake people up to their need of him, and much more
@@arneherstad2198 I personally believe early followers of Jesus contrived the story of Jesus looking back at the Old Testament writings, rather than the Jewish prophets looking into the future. Taking it a step further, I believe all the "miraculous" prophecies of the Bible were done in hindsight. It's like our generation writing about how a tall man from the Midwest would unify the country and free a tormented race of people.
@@JumpJeho your theory is invalidated by the fact that the text of the New Testament was in circulation during the lifetime of eyewitnesses who could've contradicted it if it weren't true
What is the revealed name of God? “Then Moses said to God, ‘Indeed when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, {HaYAH Ashar HaYAH} [meaning; “I AM WHO I AM.”] And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ Moreover, God said to Moses, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This {YAH} is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’” (Exodus 3:13-15). The essential name of God is YAH and YAH=I AM. Ehyeh is incorrect. Jah, Yeh, or Ieh are incorrect. HaYAH means “the I AM.” Behold, the name which is above every name: YAH! Halleluyah, Praise YAH! “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). “Sing to God, sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name Yah, And rejoice before Him” (Psalm 68:4 NKJV). What is the revealed name of Christ? According to Matthew 1:21, an angel told Joseph that he shall name Him… but historically we know that the name Jesus was not revealed by the angel. Because the name Jesus has only existed in its present form since the 17th century. Historian Ernest Renan acknowledges that the Savior was never known as “Jesus” in the Apostolic age (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). Before the name Jesus [gee-sus], His name was thought to be Iesus [ee-sus] (see the 1611 King James Bible). Therefore, the name of Jesus transforms from Iesus, and Iesus transforms from Iesous (ee-ay-sous). Iesous is a transliteration of Yeshua. Despite that there is only one revealed name, we have all these varied names allegedly for Christ, Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, and Yeshua. What difference does this make? The apostle Peter testified: Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:8-12). “There is no other name given among men,” and therefore, the name of salvation is obscured, and lost to many. Satan is deceiving the whole world (Rev. 12:9). What is the one name revealed from heaven by which we must be saved? Many would answer “Jesus!” However, again, a reminder, that this name has only existed since the 17th century. But despite the Gospel telling us there is only one name, why are there many names for the Savior? Yes, Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, Spanish pronunciation “Hey-zeus,” Isa, etc., however, God never revealed these names, which is a result of linguistic evolution that transliterated, and twice transformed, the only name of salvation into an entirely different name never revealed by God. Which is the one name by which we must be saved? Not easy to find, as Christ’s name has been subjected to linguistic evolution, which has transformed the revealed name into an entirely different name. For example, Jesus comes from Iesus, as Iesus was Christ’s name before the 17th century, as can be seen in the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, and therefore, the name is not Jesus but Iesus. Iesus is from the name Iesous, and Iesous is a transliteration of Yeshua, which many scholars believe to be the true name of Christ. But did the apostle Peter give testimony to the name Yeshua? Most likely not. Isaiah the prophet tells us that the name of salvation is YAH. “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV, as found in the Hebrew Scriptures). Christ Himself told the people, that He is YAH, which means, I AM. The Savior said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). He was telling them that He is YAH, the one who is their very God, and they picked up stones to stone Him (v. 59). Halleluyah means “Praise YAH!” Behold the name which is above every name, the very name “YAH!” Someone will say, “Oh, God has many names.” But this is a false statement, as the Lord God has informed us, “And God spoke to Moses and said to him: ‘I am the Lord (YAHweh). I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as EL SHADDAI [God Almighty], but by My name Lord (YAHweh) I was not known to them” (Exodus 6:2-3). This tells us that God has only one essential name YAH, and lots of title names like El Shaddai [God Almighy]. Does our Savior have “the name which is above every name,” the very name of “YAH?” YAH (I AM) and SHUA (salvation), thus named YAHSHUA. The angel commanded Joseph and Mary that “you shall call His name” YAHSHUA, for He will save His people (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31). This is key to knowing the revealed name. YAH=I AM, and Shua=my help, as in salvation, therefore the Savior’s name means “I AM Salvation.” There is no intrinsic meaning regarding salvation in any of these names: Jesus, Iesus, and Iesous, although many outside of Christ’s inner circle called Him Yeshua, however, this Aramaic name lacks the I AM, that is YAH. How can we know for sure that the name of Christ has ‘the name which is above every name’? Paul Recounts His Conversion: “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting’” (Acts 26:12-15). Did the apostle Paul hear the name YAH in the name revealed to Him at his encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus? Did he indeed hear in Hebrew “the name which is above every name” YAH in the revealed name of Christ? Yes indeed, and the apostle Paul writes, “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). What are the facts: The name of Christ was only revealed in Hebrew (Matthew 1:27; Luke 1:31; Acts 26:14). The name Jesus is not a Hebrew name. YAHSHUA and there is no other name. Therefore all other names are counterfeits (Acts 4:12). This revealed name has the name {YAH=I AM}, the name which is above every name (Philippians 2:9). Every tongue, every language, is to know this one revealed name YAHSHUA (Philippians 2:11). YAH is the essential name for our salvation (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). Jehovah is a euphonious name never revealed by God. Shua means “my help,” as in salvation. Few there be that find it (Matthew 7:13-14). Those who reject the name YAHSHUA face condemnation (John 3:18). What if I reject the name of YAHSHUA? The Gospel is clear: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:16-18). If you do not believe in the one name revealed from heaven, the one name by which we must be saved, you will stand condemned! Therefore receive the name of redemption: YAHSHUA! Halleluyah, Praise YAH, Praise YAHSHUA, for there is no other name by which we must be saved! Believe in the name YAHSHUA, and “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). Therefore, reject all counterfeit names not revealed by God. And, call upon the name of “YAHSHUA” and be saved! This gives new meaning to this truth, “For ‘whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved’” (Romans 10:13; Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21). Forsake the traditions of men, and hold to the revelations of the LORD GOD!
@@cosmictreason2242 I do not think that is true that everyone before me is in hell. But so many do not take the warning seriously, given by my Lord YAH, The Narrow Way: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).
These men act kind and intelligent, yet I grieve for the hearts of both these men.
Are you a nice person?
@@lkae4what does nice have to do with the truth?
@@barrettcarl3009 Answer my question and I'll answer yours.
@@barrettcarl3009 Please answer my question first.
@@lkae4 you know what the 11th Commandment is? Thou Shalt Be Nice 😅
Never in my 76 years have I seen anyone like Jordan Peterson given a platform to speak on at almost any level about Christianity, a faith he does not practice, and on Jesus Christ in whom he has yet to confess.
It is as if I had never studied automobile mechanics and am not even sure of the combustible engine and yet am constantly appearing as guest speaker for all of the major innovative automotive conferences throughout the word!
True. But he's opening eyes and getting the seeds of thought planted in thousands of minds. That's a win.
@@threeriversforge1997is he tho? There's a difference between taking what comes and promoting him as a great source
THANK YOU! It drives me crazy that professing Christians support this, even when they see he is so often clueless!
@@cosmictreason2242 personally I took his position as a half-way house between atheism and an orthodox faith. God uses all things to his glory, and I do believe he's using Peterson to do this for many young people in highly materialist countries
@@a.i.l1074 yea but it doesn't require his children to promote Cyrus, Marcus Aurelius etc
_"The Spirit That Gave Rise to the Cosmic Order"_
This may be uncharitable on my part, but for some reason I have a notion that a lot of these intellectual types just like to compete with each other to create the least coherent strings of words to describe things for which we already have very elegant and descriptive words.
Exactly.
Maybe, maybe not. What Peterson is doing there is defining God without using the word 'God', which can be a useful exercise when conversing with someone with whom you aren't sure that you both share the same definition of the word itself. In that exact moment, he was also performing active listening by summarizing Musk's attempt to speak about God as well in hopes that they could come to an agreed definition. From that perspective, it's a pretty useful thing for him to do.
Do you have any non-Christian friends? If so -- and if they are good enough friend to allow for this -- see if you can agree on a definition of 'God' together. It's not as straight-forward as it might seem to be.
@@bnations2000 But Peterson doesn't know much about the biblical God. He has no business defining God for someone else who also doesn't believe in the biblical God. They're BOTH clueless.
@@Yesica1993 You might be surprised at how much Peterson knows given that he's done a series of explorations on a number of Biblical books and themes. He speaks like a pretty well versed guy on those subjects; although, he doesn't speak like any of my friends or I do. That is probably to be expected given that he comes from an academic background, and we don't though.
As to the clueless part, I don't know about that either. He strikes me more as a guy working his way towards God as Life presents him with larger and larger problems to solve. He's already come a fair piece.
@@bnations2000 Please do not condescend to me, okay? He treats the Bible as either (just) literature, or as some sort of psychological work. He does not hold the biblical view. Not at all. Therefore, he should not be teaching it. Discussion, sure. But not teaching it, in the way he has been doing. He does not know the Bible, in the way it was meant to be known.
I will say that Jordan Peterson was a huge influence for me, forcing me to reconsider Christianity. However, as I’ve grown in faith I find his analysis of Christianity woefully anemic to the point where I feel nauseous. In the end, behind all his eloquence, he still fails to bridge the gap between is and ought. At root, he seems to me nothing more than a self-help guru. Christless Christian ethics transform no one.
Well said. And welcome to Christ!
Indeed. He's too intellectual for his own good and can maybe be discribed as 'pseudo christian', constanlty wandering the the periphery of salvation but never really coming in. Hurry up and come in time is short. Maybe his booksales and image are more important to him
@@manager0175 While intellectual pursuits are valuable, there are situations where excessive intellectualism can become impractical. In his contexts, focusing too much on abstract theories or deep analysis but never coming to any truth or reall action. So there is mate
I feel EXACTLY the same way brother.
I feel your pain, pastor! As Dr Sproul was fond of saying, that was an Excedrin headache.
I miss Sproul
And Sproul also said ... "Theology is life". Truer every day. What we believe affects everything.
I follow Pastor Wilson and respect him. I just want to share that these two men aren't Christians, far off theologians. I do appreciate them immensely, involving themselves w The Bible and Christianity themes and respecting Christ as they do! The hope for me is that the souls they touch come to the Bible, study for themselves, and by the Grace of God become born again! I appreciate Dough's analysis, thank God as a Christian myself, I recognize what these two characters truly are but pray and trust they come to Christ fully! I hope the best for them.🙏
To want and have the benefits of a Christian society without the recognition and allegiance to the God of Christianity is to mock Him, and to ignore Him as the West has been gradually doing it is no wonder we are spiralling into a miry pit of debauchery and depravity.
Mainstream American Christianity has abandoned its own principles. There are churches who remain true but the conservative political incarnation of faith has utterly lost the plot. Endorsing leaders who openly celebrate the contradiction of every virtue described by Jesus Christ. They want to blame liberal professors and video games and rock music and whatever else for the erosion of values but never take ownership of the obvious contradictions represented by their own behavior. I think anyone who wants to uphold a model of society and recommend values to other people needs to represent those values in their own behavior first. That's the first and most significant missing piece.
Grace, Peace, n LOVE In The Only Thrice-HOLY KING. What is Your conclusion?
Might i Encourage You in CHRIST, Sister --to run to the Holy Text for the [personal] solution, and the Faithfully-Obedient actions Commanded. Even CHRISTians are affected by the world (yes, all three; world, satahn, n flesh), and Conquering It (them) for CHRIST; Rather, HIM Putting All Enemies Under HIS Holy Feet through HIS People -Whom the {defensive} gates hell will Not withstand against.
i would much rather be surrounded by People who are not CHRISTians, but have a Christian Worldview, than i would be with those who do not "have [or, even 'want'] the Benifits of a Christian society!!-)
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING.
GOD Bless n Keep You
KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING.
GOD Bless n Keep You
KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
Have You read Duet 28, and the Covenant made there, with The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY -Indeed, with Intended Blessings and Curses (in accordance with Faithful-Obedience). George Washington laid his hand on this at his inauguration and invoked GOD, cutting Civenant with The HOLY KING.
GOD Bless n Keep You
KING JESUS Reigns; No King but CHRIST
This probably will never happen, but I would love to watch a conversation between Doug Wilson and Jordan Peterson. Doug would get past Peterson's intellectual semantics to get to the truth.
Exactly my thought. Jordan loves to obfuscate simple concepts with a lot of high sounding verbiage. The Bible expressly talks of the simplicity that is in Christ.
Yep! Well, if JP would allow him a word in edgewise.
Brother Doug would wipe the floor with him in a way that would make Jordan think about the reality of the way of Christ. How you say? Well, duh, God.
@@manager0175 He absolutely does - again, if JP would let him get a word in. He seems to love to hear himself talk!
Its tough to present this idea to cultural Christians. They cannot grasp that if the Christian ethic is simply a "good idea" it falls to the same fate as other subjective moralities. People will eventually say, "It's a good idea for you, but not for me."
Then when they impose this other morality you have little to stand on and we end up in a similar place to where we are now, or worse.
Very well said!
It seems like that reasoning is the same utiliarian reasoning . I mean you’re saying it’s more useful to be a religion with faith as it has more clout in the culture of ideas
Man, seems like Musk is trying to reap all the benefits of a society that believes in Christ and God without actually saying they are real. And Jordan Peterson is mediating the fact that they are real but doesn't really believe it fully himself. Praying for the both of them...
Most of these guys are like that. Chris Williamson, Elon Musk, JP, Douglas Murray, Rogan. It’s the typical classical liberal who laments the way in which western societies are going but fail to realize that an active faith in Christ is what has built the foundations of the West. They are merely reaping the benefits of the Judeo-Christian worldview while not offering anyone a solid foundation. “Clean your room, tell the truth, work hard”, are all noble habits to develop, but why? Without knowing the God of the Bible all you’re left with is ultimately preference.
Peterson is trying to build a bridge from rationalism to a post-enlightenment renaissance. In order to do that, he is assuming a materialist frame as a starting point and then trying to move the needle any way he can. You can compare it to Paul in Athens, starting his preaching by using their "unknown god" shrine. Peterson is consciously taking as much dogmatic language out of his public vocabulary as he can so as many rationalists will go along for the ride as possible. You can say that isn't properly pious, but underneath every single one of his videos you will find dozens of comments: "i started going to church and praying again after listening to JP lectures". As Christ himself said, you'll know them by their fruits. Jordan produces good fruit, more so than the previous pharisaic preaching class.
Jordan Peterson is the gateway drug to Doug Wilson.
As someone who watched a lot of Jordan Peterson before becoming a Christian that now watches/reads Doug Wilson I'm inclined to agree 😂
@@ElliotRitcheyso is Doug Wilson not a believer?
Underrated comment. 😊
@@barrettcarl3009 No that's not the connection I was getting at. Moreso that Jordan Peterson is the pagan intellectual of our time and Doug Wilson the Christian intellectual of our time. Both of them are very articulate.
@@ElliotRitchey oh I thought you were making the correlation that because Jordan is not quite there yet as a believer that Doug isn't. My bad
JP doesn’t want to bend the knee. I think it’s pride, oddly enough. It’s like there’s a strand of pride left that he won’t let Christ cut.
I think it’s because he’s found out he can be a big deal if he repackages basic Christian beliefs as not Christian. If he becomes Christian, then he will be just another Christian sharing Christian truths
he has made an idol of his own intellect, like a lot of people do, unfortunately. that is what prevents him from seeing the truth
He doesn't want to accept that he's wrong about jungian philosophy, Ancient history, evolution (is w the basis of his career in psychology) etc
"The greatest good for the greatest number" that one really made me reflect for some reason
There are no outreach efforts for overachievers who have a christian heritage and sadly many evangelical churches would be unappealing to such people. People need to come up with strategies to evangelize the high performing men in our society.
Their Pride is too big.
The problem there is that the culture of the christians is one of betrayal over brotherhood. I've seen it countless times in my life, and it's one of the main reasons why I don't join a church. Look to your own words -- "outreach efforts for overachievers" and "evangelize the high performing men". Really? What about me? I can point you to a thousand small fry, guys just trying hard to grow something, yet the emphasis is on those who have already achieved something... and therefore can do something for the church in return. It's not about helping those who need help, but doing what benefits the church in a grand fashion.
I often tell folks that they need to "Tend the Garden". That means you have to nurture the crop from the start, not just hope a crop shows up and then lavish attention on the best of the plants.
Sadly, we become so enamored of the bloom that we forget the roots.
Think about how that looks to those who are struggling. We expect some kind of benefit from the likes of Musk, yet he can look around and see that the church does nothing for its own people. We expect a form of allegiance now that he's big and powerful, but we showed no allegiance when he was small and just starting out.
We plant a seed and then expect it to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune all on its own. We tell our people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work harder, go out there and earn for themselves. How many failed in the struggle? How many withered and died because they just couldn't catch that lucky break? And if they do make something of themselves, then we expect them to show some solidarity and loyalty... even though we never showed any when they were struggling to survive.
We have a real problem in the church, and it explains why Christendom is in the state that it is. People complain about how we don't build nice things anymore, but they also don't tend the garden, making sure that those who would make nice things have the environment to make nice things. Culture is the collection of a thousand little things we do every day. The master craftsman we call upon to build the next Great Cathedral needs decades of small jobs to hone his skills so he's ready to build the next Great Cathedral, but where do we support our craftsmen? Look in the average christian home, and it's full of the same mass-produced chintz found in the house of an atheist. Look at the taxes and regulations that christians supported, and then wonder why all the good jobs are gone. Folks didn't tend their garden. Instead, we put our boys through four years of wood shop in school, only for them to graduate and go out into a town without any wood shops to work in. Where do we support our furniture makers, tailors, seamstresses, cobblers and bodgers, smiths and masons?
The time for outreach isn't when someone's become successful. Tend the roots and the blooms will appear.
@@threeriversforge1997that's worth a video
@@threeriversforge1997beautiful apt words!
Like lemons of gold on plates of salmon.
JP needs to not "teach" the Bible.
Amen!
Hear Hear!
Amen.
Thank God for Doug Wilson
Can you do a reaction to Peterson’s 30 minute answer to if he believes in God?
@MickJagger-el6ofpretty much, I’d just like to see Doug break it down
30 minutes on something that should take a few seconds? Yeah, that sounds about like Peterson. LOL! Look I love the guy. But he does drive me crazy with that.
Great work to Biblically comment on this one! Prayerfully they both find healing in Christ.
John Rich really nailed it with Peterson in his interview with him, asking him straight up why he wouldn't commit himself to Christ.
J.P. does not believe that Jesus is God, does not believe in resurrection of Christ. He is a philosophy.
Listen to his exchange with Alex O Connor. It's an interesting one.
@@DaveReddy I wished I save the interview on TH-cam, J .P. Denied Christ. I thought everyone knew.
I just googled it, wow. He says He doesn't know what that means. Not answering the question. There was a comedian named Benjamin Owen. He called out J P. 10 years ago. But I didn't know who He was talking about. He even showed him dress in drag. Which if you know about cult initiation, that is part of it
@@douglasfapp9816 did he not say that if there was a camera at the tomb then it would have recorded a resurrected Christ walking out ? Not saying your wrong that was just the thing that stuck in my head. Ended up not watching the full thing though. It seems to me that JP is lost in the pursuit of learning rather than understanding Christ.
@davidjmitchell77. Is it not obvious to you yet that the main characters in America use the jesus talking points because the vast majority of their audience are fair weather, charismatic or Catholic cult followers? They never say one way or the other what they believe. They’re always vague. If you loved Jesus you’d proclaim it. Not do meth, dress in drag and act like Jesus being your saviour is a complicated question. It’s a simple yes Jesus was the son of god and died for my sins. My child can answer that question. All politicians and “brilliant minds” use Jesus to gain financially. Get a grip. Jordan Peterson has no intentions on following god when he’s in a global cabal of Satan worshippers. They all go to the same under ground beat up clubs
We can work with these “cultural Christian” types, but standing shoulder to shoulder with them against trash world should lead us to pray for their salvation and to freely share the gospel when relevant to the conversation.
In the end, everyone wants the benefits of righteous living (peace, comfort, order) without believing in the foundations of righteous ethics (I.e. God) or living the lifestyle.
Wait did I miss the reaction you teased at the front? What was that in reaction to?
"For the joy set before him, he endured the cross." could be construed as utilitarian too.
A utilitarian motivation for a particular act ≠ utilitarianism
No. Having motivations doesn't make something utilitarian. Utilitarianism is making choices based primarily on utility. That the atonement would result in the flourishing of western civilization, so for the greater benefit of mankind after versus before, he went to the cross. That's not what he did
I wish Doug Wilson would have the opportunity to interview both of these men, separately.
I hope they find Randy White Ministries. Dr. White is the best theologian, pastor, and teacher I’ve come across. He considers all perspectives and biblically evaluates the strengths and weaknesses of positions. These men would like him.
Why Doug why? We need more Doug Reacts! 😊
Thank you! Someone needed to say this.
Doug and those two in the same room…intense and priceless…I’m rooting for Doug although the other two guys I like and enjoy what they are doing.
Excellent. J. Gresham Machen’s “Christianity and Liberalism” addresses that head on..
I pray for both of them regularly. Intelligence can get the best of people
Remember, Jordan Peterson's view of Scripture is the most charitable yet nonsensical version academia has to offer.
Ha ha! That's a good way of putting it!
@Yesica1993 thanks, I wrote this comment first thing this morning, and I really wasn't awake yet. 😑
I LOVE Douglas WIlson. I want to be Mr. Doug when I grow up!
Apples and Orchards.
The pragmatic utility of cultural Christianity is clear to these geniuses. That the masses believe in and follow Christian ethics is what attracts them. Personal salvation isn't their bag, but they'll de-construct it for you and intellectualise the resulting pros and cons of it. They are social engineers, toying with the mechanisms of spiritual principles which they rightly observe to be at work here.
They want the effects of Christianity without having to practice Christianity.
Two men seeking to fashion their own Matrix world by borrowing Christian principles without Christ are ultimately still at war with their Lord Jesus. Only in this life may they borrow God's stuff while stiff arming Him along the way.
Elon keeps saying the things Jesus taught are wise and good, pertaining to his teaching on ethics. But the crux of the matter is what Jesus said about himself and what he came to do true. Is it true that Jesus is who he said? You can’t preach to society that he was wrong about that stuff, but he’s right about this ethical stuff and expect that to be enough to create a moral society.
Pray for both these men brothers
Well said Uncle, I personally don't think these men are as "far from the Kingdom," as some might. :)
“For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.”
1 Corinthians 1:18-21
These men are a great example of those who have worldly wisdom, but cannot discern spiritual things. They appear to have eyes wide open, but they are blind. May the Lord grant them new hearts to receive the folly of what we preach, and discern spiritual things.
I mean, they did present a decent argument for why Christianity being beneficial to society from a secular perspective. And that's useful for defending Christianity to a secular culture.
Thank you Pastor Wilson. This is an extremely important distinction. Hopefully someone has been able to share your insights with Dr. Peterson.
C.S. Lewis - "Christianity, if false, is of no importance, but if true, of infinite importance, the only thing it cannot be is moderately important."
IMHO, Lewis was referring to Jesus' divinity. NOT to Christian values like forgiveness. As it is Jesus' divinity that separates the truths he shared from a personal 'philosophy'. The various elements of which, every person may or may not agree.
Jesus was NOT speaking as a philosopher like Socrates. He was speaking as one directly 'connected' with God.
So inherent to the position of being a cultural christian is the implicit assumption that Christianity is "moderately important".
IMO, Jordan Peterson and perhaps Elon Musk are great men but both "see through a glass, darkly"; they, like the rest of us 'know' but 'in part'.
I couldn’t help but notice Elon talking of a “thinking society,” as if a society can think at all, or consider itself happy. Let alone happiness, contentment, or even a more neutral term like wellbeing as the best one can hope for. Joy, Glory, Gratitude, and other emotions, well, if one is picking an emotion to base society on seems you could aim higher.
Quite frightening how childish this conversation is .
Both these men are successful and seen as highly intelligent and intellectual.
But in religious terms ,they are crèche level thinkers.
Albeit with bigger words. But they simply know nothing that matters in religious terms.
Christianity is the only pathway in life that leads to eternal joy and peace in Heaven. Hearing God’s word, believing in it and Jesus, repenting of sin, confessing Jesus’ identity as the Son of God and Lord, and being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for forgiveness and salvation is the doorway through Jesus that God gave us. It leads to Jesus adding us to His church, the Church of Christ, the one He built (Matthew 16:18).
Barf at the Kamala ad 😂😂😂😂
It is useful to them for as a means to an end for their political and financial gains. Like how Calvinism grew with capitalism after the fall of feudalism and Catholicism.
For though the LORD is exalted, Yet He regards the lowly, But the haughty He knows from afar. (Psalms 138:6, NASB)
Jordan is too smart for his own good with all his let’s read scripture with all allegories
Peterson offers us a Jungian re-casting of scripture, not the Word of God.
Correct. He's an evolutionary psychologist and believes in the JEDP theory too
That's why his cult-like followers love it! I promise you, if he got genuinely saved and started presenting it as, "Thus sayeth the Lord", his fanboys would turn on him, overnight. I often wonder if that's one of the things holding him back. He makes a huge amount of money, not just from his books and regular speaking engagements, but from his "rock star"-like world tours. There is no way they'd put up with him telling them they must repent!
Peterson's theology is just awful.
Christ makes himself a uniquely qualified memorial of the bio-logical ethic that condemns sin that decays, that is not satisfied with decay but heals and offers healing; the human responsibility to learn to heal and heal is the Christian ethic that Jesus personifies.
perhaps utilitarianism can lead someone to acknowledge the truth of the gospel, as platonism led Augustine to Christianity. Any thoughts? For those who have read Augustine's Confessions.
if you take away God and the lordship out of the picture, why should I care what brings the most happiness for the most people over time? As long as my actions bring the most happiness for me, and whoever I happen to care about, why do the rest even matter? Answer is, they don't...
So the only thing preventing you from not caring about others is God? Why is that?
Let YAH Be True...and Every Man a Liar...
Cultural Christianity was given its first rise through Constantine, and I would argue its legitimization harmed its overall potency.
6:58 Tell me, friend, when did Elon the wise leave apple orchards for madness?!
Jordan's coat and his voice....😂
The story behind his odd looking outfits is pretty cool, actually. A company made them for him and they gave him twelve complete suits, each one modeled on what they thought he meant in each of his Twelve Rules for Life book.
The voice? That's just what happens as you age and your voice becomes weaker.
@@bnations2000 Oh, I didn't know that about the suits! They are wild, but I love that he wears them.
There's no such thing as being a cultural Christian while not being a blood washed, born again follower of Christ.....aka an actual Christian.
Well that's the point of the distinction
The utilitarianism is much more clear on Musk's words than on Peterson.
Peterson has a much more ethical approach
They are both ethics. Peterson's is existentialist and stoic. Do your duty even though there seems to be no point, because what else do you have? That's not very compelling
Haha lol-) im laughin' out loud lit. (The Family has to think im nuts; or, Know!-) 5:20 somethin in, Musk mentions his baptism -Unc gonna "Grab You by Your Baptism", Bud!
A question i would love to ask. So if you believe so much in Christian ethics, why should you believe in an ethical framework outlined by someone claiming to be the Son of God who you do not believe to be the Son of God?
I can't believe Peterson wouldn't have thought about this already and would give us an hour long answer.
Although successful in the business world, Musk doesn't seem to be much of a thinker in the spiritual or religious realm and may not even have much of an answer.
Peterson isn't perfect on this subject. It is also undeniable the positive impact he's had in regard to helping people recognize and instill Christian values in their lives
it's almost like there's no societal incentive or reason anymore for someone to be a good person. Doug says it himself. You need to give men a reason to get out of bed in the morning... (women)
Declaring you won’t be a good person unless you’re given a woman… really mature and reliable strategy for attracting a partner!
@@aallen5256 you're just mad no one's getting out of bed for you
I'm not sure what you were expecting considering that they both never claimed to be Christians. They're simply not going to think the same way as you. Jordan and musk are both vastly different from the average person-that's one reason why lots of people want to hear what they have to say.
Elon worships the god of Spinoza.
People are mostly spiritual ignorant
I'VE COMMENTED ON j.p. before
Jordan is annoying(as are most podcasters). He needs tomlearn how to listen instead of trying to steer his guest in the direction he'd like. Let them explain themselves fully.
Why do ordinary people have to believe in the mythos of Jesus Christ? Why does Jesus need lordship? You say that people need it, but why tho? Is it not possible to live a virtuous life without submitting to Christ?
@@devinjansa9329 no, it is not. Because truth is the highest virtue and if you do not have that then everything you do lacks virtue. "I did this good deed because i hate you"
Those two are the blind leading the blind!
Someone will have to make it genuinely believable to the people who have a Fedora tipper personality.
Either you make it so people can actually believe it, instead of not be barely hanging on, trying to not lose Pascal's Wager.
It is believable. You just can't be lazy in investigating it
@@cosmictreason2242 I have gotten some fasciniting things from the PVK channel. He has taken many viewpoints from people in many types of belief or nonbelief.
I said that I choose agnostic because I say that at this time, the truth is not knowable to me. There is no way to exactly prove the nonexistence of anything at all.
@@skylinefever there is, just not within your philosophical framework. Because that framework is wrong
You either believe that God created all this in 6 days, rested on the 7th, blessed it and hallowed it, or you don't believe it. The rest is downstream, and Peterson will be hard pressed to disavow his Maps of Meaning and the jungian underpinnings of his world view and approach to Biblical truth.
@@manager0175 there are strong arguments against evolution. Walter Veith,a former professor of evolution, has an eighth part lecture series titled Genesis Conflict.
@@manager0175 I get that, okay. But still, I encourage you to try to refute Veith's points
Jordan Peterson is a,... oh never mind.
This is not helpful. Just nit-picking.
Sometimes that punch in the nose sends a 12 year old to jail.
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God is a Spirit! Don't nitpick Jordan Peterson. God is using Jordan to advance His plan better than the majority of the so-called protestant megachurch preachers.
Sadly, the book of Job was written to answer the age old question, "Why do bad things happen to good people?" There is really nothing else to the story.
Job is a window into the mind of men and their understanding of God in a post Flood world, contemporary with the call of Abraham, and many years prior to the call of Moses. Job 19:23-27 is a messianic prophecy, but from a "gentile" perspective, many long years before the Jews even existed.
There's a progression in the narrative like that of John, chapter nine, ending with the confession "I was blind but now I see."
Job has lots in it. Evidence of dinosaurs, an early witness to belief in bodily resurrection after physical death, a denial of two false views of righteousness and the cause of suffering, insight into Satan's power and operation, insight from elihu into how God uses calamity to wake people up to their need of him, and much more
@@arneherstad2198 I personally believe early followers of Jesus contrived the story of Jesus looking back at the Old Testament writings, rather than the Jewish prophets looking into the future. Taking it a step further, I believe all the "miraculous" prophecies of the Bible were done in hindsight. It's like our generation writing about how a tall man from the Midwest would unify the country and free a tormented race of people.
Romans 1:22
@@JumpJeho your theory is invalidated by the fact that the text of the New Testament was in circulation during the lifetime of eyewitnesses who could've contradicted it if it weren't true
What is the revealed name of God?
“Then Moses said to God, ‘Indeed when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
And God said to Moses, {HaYAH Ashar HaYAH} [meaning; “I AM WHO I AM.”] And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM {YAH} has sent me to you.’ Moreover, God said to Moses, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This {YAH} is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations’” (Exodus 3:13-15). The essential name of God is YAH and YAH=I AM. Ehyeh is incorrect. Jah, Yeh, or Ieh are incorrect. HaYAH means “the I AM.”
Behold, the name which is above every name: YAH!
Halleluyah, Praise YAH!
“Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
“Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Extol Him who rides on the clouds,
By His name Yah,
And rejoice before Him” (Psalm 68:4 NKJV).
What is the revealed name of Christ?
According to Matthew 1:21, an angel told Joseph that he shall name Him… but historically we know that the name Jesus was not revealed by the angel. Because the name Jesus has only existed in its present form since the 17th century. Historian Ernest Renan acknowledges that the Savior was never known as “Jesus” in the Apostolic age (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). Before the name Jesus [gee-sus], His name was thought to be Iesus [ee-sus] (see the 1611 King James Bible). Therefore, the name of Jesus transforms from Iesus, and Iesus transforms from Iesous (ee-ay-sous). Iesous is a transliteration of Yeshua. Despite that there is only one revealed name, we have all these varied names allegedly for Christ, Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, and Yeshua.
What difference does this make?
The apostle Peter testified: Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:8-12). “There is no other name given among men,” and therefore, the name of salvation is obscured, and lost to many. Satan is deceiving the whole world (Rev. 12:9).
What is the one name revealed from heaven by which we must be saved?
Many would answer “Jesus!” However, again, a reminder, that this name has only existed since the 17th century. But despite the Gospel telling us there is only one name, why are there many names for the Savior? Yes, Jesus, Iesus, Iesous, Spanish pronunciation “Hey-zeus,” Isa, etc., however, God never revealed these names, which is a result of linguistic evolution that transliterated, and twice transformed, the only name of salvation into an entirely different name never revealed by God.
Which is the one name by which we must be saved?
Not easy to find, as Christ’s name has been subjected to linguistic evolution, which has transformed the revealed name into an entirely different name. For example, Jesus comes from Iesus, as Iesus was Christ’s name before the 17th century, as can be seen in the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, and therefore, the name is not Jesus but Iesus. Iesus is from the name Iesous, and Iesous is a transliteration of Yeshua, which many scholars believe to be the true name of Christ. But did the apostle Peter give testimony to the name Yeshua? Most likely not.
Isaiah the prophet tells us that the name of salvation is YAH. “Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV, as found in the Hebrew Scriptures).
Christ Himself told the people, that He is YAH, which means, I AM. The Savior said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). He was telling them that He is YAH, the one who is their very God, and they picked up stones to stone Him (v. 59).
Halleluyah means “Praise YAH!”
Behold the name which is above every name, the very name “YAH!”
Someone will say, “Oh, God has many names.” But this is a false statement, as the Lord God has informed us, “And God spoke to Moses and said to him: ‘I am the Lord (YAHweh). I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as EL SHADDAI [God Almighty], but by My name Lord (YAHweh) I was not known to them” (Exodus 6:2-3). This tells us that God has only one essential name YAH, and lots of title names like El Shaddai [God Almighy].
Does our Savior have “the name which is above every name,” the very name of “YAH?”
YAH (I AM) and SHUA (salvation), thus named YAHSHUA. The angel commanded Joseph and Mary that “you shall call His name” YAHSHUA, for He will save His people (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31). This is key to knowing the revealed name. YAH=I AM, and Shua=my help, as in salvation, therefore the Savior’s name means “I AM Salvation.” There is no intrinsic meaning regarding salvation in any of these names: Jesus, Iesus, and Iesous, although many outside of Christ’s inner circle called Him Yeshua, however, this Aramaic name lacks the I AM, that is YAH.
How can we know for sure that the name of Christ has ‘the name which is above every name’?
Paul Recounts His Conversion: “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting’” (Acts 26:12-15).
Did the apostle Paul hear the name YAH in the name revealed to Him at his encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus? Did he indeed hear in Hebrew “the name which is above every name” YAH in the revealed name of Christ?
Yes indeed, and the apostle Paul writes, “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of YAHSHUA, every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11).
What are the facts:
The name of Christ was only revealed in Hebrew (Matthew 1:27; Luke 1:31; Acts 26:14).
The name Jesus is not a Hebrew name.
YAHSHUA and there is no other name. Therefore all other names are counterfeits (Acts 4:12).
This revealed name has the name {YAH=I AM}, the name which is above every name (Philippians 2:9).
Every tongue, every language, is to know this one revealed name YAHSHUA (Philippians 2:11).
YAH is the essential name for our salvation (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). Jehovah is a euphonious name never revealed by God. Shua means “my help,” as in salvation.
Few there be that find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
Those who reject the name YAHSHUA face condemnation (John 3:18).
What if I reject the name of YAHSHUA?
The Gospel is clear: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God” (John 3:16-18).
If you do not believe in the one name revealed from heaven, the one name by which we must be saved, you will stand condemned! Therefore receive the name of redemption: YAHSHUA! Halleluyah, Praise YAH, Praise YAHSHUA, for there is no other name by which we must be saved! Believe in the name YAHSHUA, and “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). Therefore, reject all counterfeit names not revealed by God. And, call upon the name of “YAHSHUA” and be saved! This gives new meaning to this truth, “For ‘whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved’” (Romans 10:13; Joel 2:32; Acts 2:21).
Forsake the traditions of men, and hold to the revelations of the LORD GOD!
So everyone before you is in hell then?
@@cosmictreason2242 I do not think that is true that everyone before me is in hell. But so many do not take the warning seriously, given by my Lord YAH, The Narrow Way: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).
@@S.R.M. so then it's not necessary to get the name right the way you think it should be
Take your nonsense elsewhere. This is not the place for it.
@@cosmictreason2242 How I LOATHE that nonsense!