That’s actually very untrue depending on the vehicle. You can buy a fox somewhat cheap. If you mod it to 700hp you’re going to get a lot of your money back. Someone with money doesn’t want to do those mods, that doesn’t care about it matching, and anyone who knows a fox will pay money for one with good parts and and high hp. Coyote? Waste of time and money. I paid 3500 for mine, and I guarantee that if I put in a $3,500 t56 and a 500hp ($11,000) 427 stroker, that I could get $20,000 or more for it.
The best way to go about it is to work on each part of the car as a separate project and then drive the car in between each project. Upgrade the fuel system, 8.8 swap (older cars), hydroboost conversion, bigger brakes, cowl hood, suspension, etc. The last thing I would do is the coyote swap. The common denominator in all my buddies failed projects is biting off more than they could chew. They take the car apart, realize the magnitude, and then stop working on the car. Years ago I completed a Maximum Motorsports suspension swap on my 96 and I am currently sourcing parts for an 8.8 swap and hydroboost conversion on my 85. The difference is, I still drive my cars and they aren't just a pile of parts sitting in the garage. Mike Dula has a channel, "House of Dula", and he breaks it down into separate projects. 50 tussin is another good channel.
I have a 96 v6 the car was free so I was gonna slowly do the swap get a 8.8 swap do the Kmember well suspension/ brakes then sub frame connector the order the wiring harness fuel system then cooling then finally order the the engine and trans and drop it in and hopefully fire the sucker up
I’m the original owner of a 91 gt convertible. For years I had a 306ci with a Vortech s-trim and a host of other drivetrain and chassis mods. Until in late 2010, I had a engine fire that luckily did not roast the entire car. Thankfully I had a good insurance policy on it and I wanted to get it fixed. The guy at the body shop suggested to go with the new coyote motor that was just coming out in the 2011s. I knew this was not going to b easy because of this being a never before done swap. I had some issues with the car when I got it back that took years to straighten out. I almost regret doing the swap until I get in and do 7g shifts with my automatic and listen to that motor scream!
I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that a lot of the cost of a Coyote swap is not actually in swapping the 5.0 into the car but insuring the rest of the car can survive the power of the new motor. IMO no matter what motor it is, when you start pushing over 400rwhp you will need to start digging deep. Brakes, suspension, rear end, fuel lines, driveshaft, transmission, clutch, radiator, etc etc will all need to be either rebuilt or replaced with stronger, better parts.
110% this. You could probably drop a coyote into a fox for about 6-8 grand if you didn't care about doing it right and addressing the chassis, brakes, and suspension.
None of that truly has any bearing. All of that same stuff needs modifying and replacement as soon as you touch the stock motor anyway. Stock t5 will blow with a stock motor. Fuel system is already maxed stock. Rest needs 31 spline and gears , cooling systems are marginal at best. All of these things will cost you money regardless
Thanks for being honest and transparent. I did a Terminator swap in my 93 coupe, and it took me 3 years. I'm happy with the end result, but I will NEVER do another swap again due to budget busted, clearance issues, opportunities to upgrade other components in order to support the massive increase in power from oem.
I was planning on doing it to my 93 cobra with 65k on it, but decided not to, bcs of the rarity of those cars. I recently purchased a 4cyl 79 mustang coupe, with the sole purpose of restoring it and installing a supercharged coyote engine. Planning on doing a full suspension, brake, fuel, interior upgrade. I will be doing all the work my self and have no problem taking 1yr for the whole project, it will be well worth seeing the transformation of taking 39yr car and making it better than new again....thanks for your wonderful channel and all the good information you share here with us car fanatic's....
This is why so many cars get sold off half way done because they give up and run out of money. My 1986 notch fox is a perfect example. I wanted an FE Big block and C 6 trans. It's been years of fabrication, mocking up and tearing back down. To get what I wanted. I started with a rough 4 cylinder car with no rust. It's now a nice almost factory looking under the hood bracket car. Most people think it's a 351 because it fits so well. But it's been years in the making.
I just got a fully stock 92 GT convertible and I never really had a fast car. I’m caught up with the fantasy of having a car with so much power. With that being said my car runs and drives fine. 302 with 55k miles. I intend on buying the coyote and transmission. Then slowly but surely sourcing everything I need and installing whatever I can. To minimize cost of labor and parts, as I would have everything needed to get it swapped and running. Does this sound like a good idea or strategy to anyone ?
I’ve decided a Edelbrock EFI system on a old school motor is much more practical, less headache, and much cheaper. It really makes a nice improvement for old motors. You can easily get coyote power from them and the EFI boosts the mpg up. I saw a guy make a 396 big block go from 11mpg to 16mpg. That’s a major improvement!
What a great build and truly appreciate the hard work you put in. Thanks and shedding the light on the cost. I completely agree about the collectibles which prices are skyrocketing for original examples!
coyote great engine but for a fox i would 331 /347 if you want power plus 302 Windsor is durable and reliable ever heard of the Gray Mare mustang no boost and it was Feared keep up the great work Foxcast
I got a 2v pretty much stock except Coilovers, clutch, and radiator. Has 140,000 miles wanted to swap it but I also just wanted to build my 2v and just looking to make 400hp maybe 500hp if I can but not looking for anything too crazy… any advice on what to do to the car to get there?
H/C/I and an s trim be done....yup foxes are not everywhere anymore I keep an eye on the market and the last few years there has been a drastic change...I still want a two tone Gt You got to pay to play this hobby is not cheap and it can be extremely aggravating to say the least That’s how I feel about the whole coyote world it’s never enough for people now oh you only have 600 to the tire you need 1000 plus now blah blah blah what are these people really doing with 1000 hp? Unless your a serious drag racer how much power for the street do you really need? I mean ya it’s awesome and it’s crazy what these new cars make but look how many get wrapped around trees and wrecked to like you said make your car what u want it to be and just enjoy it for yourself
I heard there was a serious problem getting the FRPP 5.0 Coyote ECU to idle. Has this been fixed? Can you just buy the kit, smash it into the engine bay of a Fox, hook it up and it idles now?
Man... why do coyote swapped foxbody people make this swap seem hard? It really isn't any harder than pulling the 302 to rebuild it. The entire swap is well documented on just about every major mustang forum and Facebook group. The hardest part of the swap is dealing with the "while I'm in here" nonsense that comes with having to mess with wiring, plumbing, HVAC, etc. The amount of custom parts that dont exist on the market already is quite small... You want a challenge? 6.2L raptor swap the car... no Ford ECUs with pedals to handle the wiring, no prebuilt exhaust headers, motor mounts, or bracket kits to mount various pumps and really not that big of an aftermarket. I'm doing it, the build can be found over on the ProTouring forums in the build section (Sometimes A Great Notion - 1989 Foxbody Mustang Build) and the swap is not super complicated to understand. The key to these swaps is planning. As the military says, proper preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance. You minimize the "While I'm in here" with a realistic list of what actually needs done. You can better budget the build with parts that are essential in a certain order. No use buying the power steering pump bracket when you don't have the k member types of things get eliminated with good planning. Its definitely not for the mechanically challenged, but if you have any wrench turning ability and the ability to plan and take your time, it's not difficult. Difficult is blazing a trail through the woods on a barely traveled path and documenting it for all to see! Also, love my 2015 Mustang GT/PP, but I hate how Coyotes sound. The old flat head V8 firing order ruined the otherwise great modular V8 sound. Glad my 6.2L Raptor motor has the standard modular firing order.
Most exhaust dont sound very good for the coyote. The exceptions so far that I've found is corsa extreme and mbrp race. His fox body sounds good with the shortened exhaust.
My 87 gt has 76k original miles with just a bolt ons . I want more power so I’m building a completely different 302 and saving my original stock motor and trans
You are exactly right. I'm a Firebird guy but I think people need to enjoy and work on original engines before running to LS swap trends. I tried that and got ripped off by an enjoy shop.....which caused me to not enjoy it anymore so I sold the LS swap project. Oh and the car used to run with the original 400 Poncho (wish I never took it apart)....
I love the little 3.7..that engine with the 6 speed manual in the foxbody..now THAT would be awesome ! I would definitely support a channel that would step out and do something out of the norm.
i have a 89 5.0 convertible i have had for 12 years i have invested more than 10000 grand in the car,just upgrading ,basic things still not done with it,i love the car and my wife does two,its just a summer car,its my second wife for life.
Been on the fence....love the new edge swap y’all did but with my car being in such great shape...may just procharge it and call it done. Change my mind every day lol.
I think the Coyote swap is a badass upgrade for a light Fox body. For me, something like this can wait. The costs in doing so will come down in 5-10 years. I will just enjoy and learn what I have now. But, if I wanted one today, I'd do it exactly the way you did it, get out of the way and have a reputable garage do it for you.
i know some folks were at least initially against it - some folks still are against it i think because perhaps they don't understand it - but i honestly _really_ *love* the modular DOHC 4.6L V8 that the Mustang Cobra SVT had from '96-'99 before they even went to the supercharger.... I just _adore_ those engines... they were just beautifully designed and produced so much horsepower without needing to go to a larger displacement simply by using more efficient features with the engine... i really love the 1996-1999 Mustang Cobra SVTs and I would buy one in a second if it was stock and I knew it wasn't dogged like crazy... I love the white ones especially with tan interior... that's kinda like my dream Ford car that isn't a Foxbody of course... naturally, there was _so_ much improvement done to the modular V8s with the overhead cams... i think it was done extremely well, and even without a supercharger or turbocharger, the new 302 which i was freaking *overjoyed* about when i heard about it coming out and it has just gotten so much better over time =) of course, like any mustang lover, i adore the Foxbody Mustangs and with them the 302 5.0L engine :) if i could choose a Mustang to buy right now though, in all honesty, because of the very reason @Foxcast Media discussed - i probably _wouldn't_ go for a Foxbody because the stock vehicles are just out of my price range... after all, you can still find some '94s with the 302 even though they aren't Foxbodies; however, you still have that engine and most likely it hasn't been overly modded... The problem with the other Mustang GTs and stuff though is that they only had single overhead cams (SOHC) V8s, which really let us down with the power at about 215hp rated back in 1994 if I'm not mistaken... however, the SVT Cobra still used the GT40 heads with high airflow and they worked really nicely with that 5.0L engine as they had since 1993 of course. that's one reason I would probably get a '96-'99 Mustang Cobra SVT because i simply *adore* them - their body style, their lines, and everything... i just love them. i mean, it isn't like i would buy that car and then go right to some sort of modification! i really would want to keep it as stock as possible... the exhaust is lovely, so i would want to keep that just as it was from the factory as well as the heads, the cams, valves, springs, etc... so, i mean, i would love to find one that someone had done some modifications to and bring it back to stock or find one that was kind of messed up by a younger guy who just loved speed and then take some appropriate steps to rebuild the engine, put some nice performance parts that would keep it classy and allow me to have one of my real dream cars :) the other real dream cars of mine are the G Body Buick GNXs especially from 1987-89; however, those are way out of any price range... i actually saw an SVT Cobra from 1999 for only $14,750. i would pay that tomorrow if i could find another one like that LOL :D
I have a plain old GT40P headed 302, with a cam and an old school Weiand 174 roots type blower. It's cheap and a hell of a lot of fun on the street. No coyote here, probably ever.
But they look so nice! I considered a swap into my 87 with a blown motor (306k miles) after my 16 GT was totaled, but decided to go ahead and rebuild the 16. It is such a nicer vehicle to drive every day than my 87, which I drove for 24 yrs. It would have cost me probably $5k after selling the good parts from my 16, maybe less since the salvage was only $8,350. Maybe one day I will still do it. Great job on the cars and the videos!
I definitely understand the "working the bugs" part. I am having some vibration issues and I believe it's coming from the IRS. Which of course is a part that doesn't belong in a Fox, lol! Car looks great bro!
exactly you can take fox five liter to the high 12s on motor alone , add in a super charger or a turbo and you are well into the 11s that is plenty fast enough for your average street racer weekend drag car
how far into the harness do the fusible links run? I think this is my problem on my 88. I know off subject. sorry just need some fusible link help. Thanks in advance...… no where do the actually show this. I know they are right there off the solenoid. but how far into the harness do they run.
@@fordtechlife ya I figured it out thanks...… had to do some more google picture searching. it is the factory links. so they are the big rubber rectangular blocks. the wire inside those blocks is the fusible link 2inches long at most. so no need to open up the harness at all. The ones you get from the auto parts store are the long wire looking fusible links. so was not sure. glad I didn't open up the factory harness for nothing. :) I will do a live video or something on it to hopefully help others in the future. I don't like editing... LOL so a quick live upload works best. hope I get it up and running soon.....
Good Advise Bro Real And True From your Hart, that old push rod setup wasn't all that bad lol considering all the work & Cash it takes to Coyote Swap maybe if I blew my 331, & it was Toast lol. I would think more seriously about the coyote, the fact that you can put some good exhaust & Intake, little fuel system upgrade and a VMP & Tune Push 700 plus HP is freaking AWESOME
Great advice. Most of this applies to my 331 recent rebuild as well. I'm not super mechanically inclined and had to use a shop for most of the heavy lifting We are still working out bugs, but at the end of the day i'm happy because I wanted that pushrod sound from High School. PS -> Love the reuse of the Foxtoberfest footage :-)
What makes more sense being a fox body 5.0 owner... Building your 5.0 forged bottom end and everything vs coyote swap??? If it were me I’d build the old 5.0 make it hold power then do forced induction what do you guys think???!??!??!
With how long the Coyote has been out now it’s really not a big job anymore. Since they have been swapped into so many things there are numerous components for each application. You can’t get around the cost too much with the exception of shopping for a good used motor but pretty much all special tools can be rented from your local auto store.
May I ask you a question I have a 98 Ford mustang six cylinder motor it was my wife's car she passed away I want to make Nice play toy but I want to be able to drive it a long ways away I have access to a 351 Windsor or Motor come out of a 150 Ford pick up truck 2012 model a little bit about me i've been working on cars and trucks my whole life are I have had race cars and mud bog trucks last but BOGGS rocker built for my son he was 15 took a brown bronco to put 44s on it put a 460 motor in it put a roll cage in it I would like to have your opinion thank you very much for your time
I've recently inherited my dad's bone stock down to the air box 1991 5.0l LX. The car has 126k original miles. My dad brought the car home in 1992 and it was the car I've measured every car against throughout my life! I took my driver's test in this car in 1995.... But I'm torn. The way the car sits now it's a solid 8.5/10 and even the original paint is in good shape ( garaged car it's entire life ), but the original 302 and automatic trans are so outdated it makes me want to swap for the coyote or even an LS. I don't know if I want to just restore it to perfect original, hop the original 302 up with some gt40 parts during a rebuild, or completely go hog wild with a swap :/
Thanks for the heads up and honesty , I want to do a swap in general similar to this but I don’t have 15 - 20 k throw out the door. So I’ll just stick to more simple car mods
I know I'm late but love ur video and I been wanting to coyote swap since I was 15, I'm only 20 now but my new edge is getting beat up it's got 260k miles so and maintenance is getting expensive
Need help with my fox. Trying to keep it alive love the car alot but having a mind blowing problem that hard to find out and when I take it to the mechanic they want to know exactly what's wrong if that the case I would have fixed it lol
Another reason why I love car shows and meet and greet events (and now TH-cam). I can admire the swaps and custom builds and all of the hard work that went into these projects. But it is definitely not for me. For every change that you make to your engine, etc means more time spent under the hood!
Coyote 2500-4K, beef up the 4r70w 1000, wiring/computer 1500, tubular k-member 400, and I'll even say another thousand misc, where are you getting 17000-25,000??? I guess if you need the car too?
I’m currently planning a coyote swap for my 2000 new edge mustang. I have a boy on the way and he deserves a nice car when he graduates. Then after that I want to coyote swap my 69 mustang! (I know... a true pain in the ass job)
I've already Coyote-swapped my 70 Mach 1. Buying a IFS kit makes it pretty easy, really. Honestly, the biggest pain has been getting a 6R80 swapped in behind it. Major transmission and firewall surgery so far...
Great and awesome channel! Love the passion! I am debating whether or not to go all-in with my 1993 or not. I do want to tear it right down to the Uni-Body and frame up build. It is a Power Window, Door, and Sunroof - all of which I want to DELETE. So, change of doors and a roof fill in (tips for that?) and turn into a street car running Hillclimb events. It's super tough to decide as a S550 PP2 is looking more utilitarian to start with for my purposes... though I love my Fox, had this one for 6 years.
Thar sunroof Is like a 6k option for that Car! And now, I know buyers who only want a t-top or sunroof Car too. I chose my 93 because of the sunroof. I only had 10 k miles on mine when bought, but planned to upgrade to Coyote or built terminator when the engine did finally die
Love the topic and the run down. A lot of car guys won't go into why NOT to do something to your car. A lot of people also like to go with the times or keep up with others within "The Race" but as he pointed out stick with what works for you. Great video.... but I still wanna coyote swap my mustang lol ijs.....
#1 get budget throw it out add 15k to existing funds and another 10k on reserve, unless your buying use junkyard parts..i have $1500 just on custom built radiator...the options are limitless where your funds will evaporate....happy building..
I think a coyote fox would be awesome, but I don’t pretend to have the skill/resources available to do that job myself. I’d rather cut my teeth on a 302 based striker build or something like that first, then later down the line after I’ve learned a few things, maybe decide to go full swap.
OK Foxcast 👍 I been watching your videos long enough to know that you don't swap a Cobra especially from 1993(idiots!) & yes the value on GTs is climbing (for great running low mile documented 5 spd cars) but what if they had over 200k on it or no motor @all?
I've been watching you for some time. Your car is awsome and I'm glad u had the budget to build your dream fox. That being said here's where I am on this. I will take one point u made a little farther. I dont think any v8 car should be used especially rare and survivors. Especially what Dover is doing going around and snatching up cars for swaps to sale he should only use 4 bangers and here's why. Like u said the v8 fox is getting harder and harder to find most have been wrecked or turned into race cars. I have a 90 lx hatch. It's in need of restoration but a survivor completely stock. I do plan on building a new engine and it's a slugomatic so a 5speed is in its future but the car will remain a pushrod fuel injection car. What all the pushrod haters dont get is these were the cars that bridge the gap between old school pushrod power and new school technology " the full on fuel injection and a computer controlling the engine. But also bc of the firing order not being regular 5.0. The h.o engines had a 351 firing order not a 302 like the non h.o so it breathing threw a set of flow masters has a unique sound only a 5.0 h.o has. They just sound bad ass. The coyote swap is awsome it has its advantages for sure more power with better mpg if I put over 400 hp in my pushrod it would drink gas like crazy compared to a stock coyote putting out that much. But that's my opinion and I guess if all of you swap coyotes in them then that will just make the value of mine go up.lol like what u do brother keep it up. And what 5 lug swap did u use that's one thing I plan to do
I'm inclined to agree. I wish I had left my 5.0 notch stock and bought something less rare to build. Not that it's not a fun car, I love driving her. But with the market for a notch these days, I should have found a 4 cyl notch or hatch to build
Great video. I’m debating a turbo coyote build for my 88 turbo coupe. But when I see that parts bill I almost pass out. I mean any well built car should cost 20k but the small stuff for this nickel and dime you so quickly.
So it would probably be cheaper to do a mild big block Ford stroker build. That's where I was headed with the scat rotating assembly. It's a 460 with the 554 stroker. (.30 over so a 514 or somewheres round there) I just want decent horsepower with brute torque. Don't can't care that it's 700+ lbs. Just want big reliable power. anyways love your channel keep um coming. we appreciate you. take her easy. keep it between the ditches 👍👍
So much easier to drop a Windsor in it!! Heads,cam, intake!! The 95 truck block even has a roller cam!! We've done them!! So much more low end torque makes it harder to hook, but it's a fraction of the cost of the Coyote! Mustangs aren't the only fox bodies either!
I'm looking for a Ford engine or engine build with at least 400 N/A horsepower and 420 lb/ft of torque without eating itself 40k miles later. Budget under $8000.
You just buy a donor car Gen 2 coyote for like 4k with low miles. And BOOM! Everything else is fairly cheap like the k member and parts. Im already half way through my Coyote engine and I'm barely at 5k. Its all about looking at the best options and what you have in mind as far as what you want OUT of the coyote engine.
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#1 Reason. Don't ever expect to get anywhere near what you put in it if you decide to sell it. Same with any extensive car mods.
Tony M, Exactly right, building cars is a poor investment...
@@shitbox7413 Yep do it for fun
@@shitbox7413 Yeah that's not the reason to do this, if you don't really enjoy the fun of it don't do it. Smiles per gallon is what matters.
I don’t plan on selling my stuff anyways
That’s actually very untrue depending on the vehicle. You can buy a fox somewhat cheap. If you mod it to 700hp you’re going to get a lot of your money back. Someone with money doesn’t want to do those mods, that doesn’t care about it matching, and anyone who knows a fox will pay money for one with good parts and and high hp. Coyote? Waste of time and money. I paid 3500 for mine, and I guarantee that if I put in a $3,500 t56 and a 500hp ($11,000) 427 stroker, that I could get $20,000 or more for it.
The best way to go about it is to work on each part of the car as a separate project and then drive the car in between each project. Upgrade the fuel system, 8.8 swap (older cars), hydroboost conversion, bigger brakes, cowl hood, suspension, etc. The last thing I would do is the coyote swap. The common denominator in all my buddies failed projects is biting off more than they could chew. They take the car apart, realize the magnitude, and then stop working on the car. Years ago I completed a Maximum Motorsports suspension swap on my 96 and I am currently sourcing parts for an 8.8 swap and hydroboost conversion on my 85. The difference is, I still drive my cars and they aren't just a pile of parts sitting in the garage. Mike Dula has a channel, "House of Dula", and he breaks it down into separate projects. 50 tussin is another good channel.
TrakSpock1 exactly, ppl think its too much but honestly is was stupid easy
I have a 96 v6 the car was free so I was gonna slowly do the swap get a 8.8 swap do the Kmember well suspension/ brakes then sub frame connector the order the wiring harness fuel system then cooling then finally order the the engine and trans and drop it in and hopefully fire the sucker up
I’m the original owner of a 91 gt convertible. For years I had a 306ci with a Vortech s-trim and a host of other drivetrain and chassis mods.
Until in late 2010, I had a engine fire that luckily did not roast the entire car.
Thankfully I had a good insurance policy on it and I wanted to get it fixed. The guy at the body shop suggested to go with the new coyote motor that was just coming out in the 2011s.
I knew this was not going to b easy because of this being a never before done swap.
I had some issues with the car when I got it back that took years to straighten out. I almost regret doing the swap until I get in and do 7g shifts with my automatic and listen to that motor scream!
I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that a lot of the cost of a Coyote swap is not actually in swapping the 5.0 into the car but insuring the rest of the car can survive the power of the new motor. IMO no matter what motor it is, when you start pushing over 400rwhp you will need to start digging deep. Brakes, suspension, rear end, fuel lines, driveshaft, transmission, clutch, radiator, etc etc will all need to be either rebuilt or replaced with stronger, better parts.
110% this. You could probably drop a coyote into a fox for about 6-8 grand if you didn't care about doing it right and addressing the chassis, brakes, and suspension.
None of that truly has any bearing. All of that same stuff needs modifying and replacement as soon as you touch the stock motor anyway. Stock t5 will blow with a stock motor. Fuel system is already maxed stock. Rest needs 31 spline and gears , cooling systems are marginal at best. All of these things will cost you money regardless
Thanks for being honest and transparent. I did a Terminator swap in my 93 coupe, and it took me 3 years. I'm happy with the end result, but I will NEVER do another swap again due to budget busted, clearance issues, opportunities to upgrade other components in order to support the massive increase in power from oem.
Best 'build' advice I have ever heard... you may have just saved me 15 grand!
A little late for me on this lol. Swap is almost done
I see u everywhere 😂
Justin Hicks lol that's the goal
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Moze was hot in Ned's Declassified 🤷🏽♂️
I’m starting out with the ol 2.3l to 302 swap been loving it and love being in the fox scene
I was planning on doing it to my 93 cobra with 65k on it, but decided not to, bcs of the rarity of those cars.
I recently purchased a 4cyl 79 mustang coupe, with the sole purpose of restoring it and installing a supercharged coyote engine. Planning on doing a full suspension, brake, fuel, interior upgrade. I will be doing all the work my self and have no problem taking 1yr for the whole project, it will be well worth seeing the transformation of taking 39yr car and making it better than new again....thanks for your wonderful channel and all the good information you share here with us car fanatic's....
You are a wise man talking from experience. Thanks for your post.
I’m a year into my engine swap. Actually 3 years if you count 1 year of automechanic school. The challenge is real no matter how talented you are
This is why so many cars get sold off half way done because they give up and run out of money. My 1986 notch fox is a perfect example. I wanted an FE Big block and C 6 trans. It's been years of fabrication, mocking up and tearing back down. To get what I wanted. I started with a rough 4 cylinder car with no rust. It's now a nice almost factory looking under the hood bracket car. Most people think it's a 351 because it fits so well. But it's been years in the making.
I just got a fully stock 92 GT convertible and I never really had a fast car. I’m caught up with the fantasy of having a car with so much power. With that being said my car runs and drives fine. 302 with 55k miles. I intend on buying the coyote and transmission. Then slowly but surely sourcing everything I need and installing whatever I can. To minimize cost of labor and parts, as I would have everything needed to get it swapped and running. Does this sound like a good idea or strategy to anyone ?
Does this mostly pertain to the foxbody?
I’ve decided a Edelbrock EFI system on a old school motor is much more practical, less headache, and much cheaper. It really makes a nice improvement for old motors. You can easily get coyote power from them and the EFI boosts the mpg up. I saw a guy make a 396 big block go from 11mpg to 16mpg. That’s a major improvement!
What a great build and truly appreciate the hard work you put in. Thanks and shedding the light on the cost. I completely agree about the collectibles which prices are skyrocketing for original examples!
DAAAAM that's a BIG Ass motor. Is that an 8.0L =Joke.
coyote great engine but for a fox i would 331 /347 if you want power plus 302 Windsor is durable and reliable ever heard of the Gray Mare mustang no boost and it was Feared keep up the great work Foxcast
Y would u have to pull the timing cover off for?
I got a 2v pretty much stock except Coilovers, clutch, and radiator. Has 140,000 miles wanted to swap it but I also just wanted to build my 2v and just looking to make 400hp maybe 500hp if I can but not looking for anything too crazy… any advice on what to do to the car to get there?
H/C/I and an s trim be done....yup foxes are not everywhere anymore I keep an eye on the market and the last few years there has been a drastic change...I still want a two tone Gt
You got to pay to play this hobby is not cheap and it can be extremely aggravating to say the least
That’s how I feel about the whole coyote world it’s never enough for people now oh you only have 600 to the tire you need 1000 plus now blah blah blah what are these people really doing with 1000 hp? Unless your a serious drag racer how much power for the street do you really need? I mean ya it’s awesome and it’s crazy what these new cars make but look how many get wrapped around trees and wrecked to like you said make your car what u want it to be and just enjoy it for yourself
lb0193 I have a 2 tone t-top roller I’m thinking of selling. Where are you located?
I heard there was a serious problem getting the FRPP 5.0 Coyote ECU to idle.
Has this been fixed? Can you just buy the kit, smash it into the engine bay of a Fox, hook it up and it idles now?
Ralph Ellis Thays only with the base tune in the control pack. Once the car gets a custom tune, it’s perfect
Man... why do coyote swapped foxbody people make this swap seem hard? It really isn't any harder than pulling the 302 to rebuild it. The entire swap is well documented on just about every major mustang forum and Facebook group. The hardest part of the swap is dealing with the "while I'm in here" nonsense that comes with having to mess with wiring, plumbing, HVAC, etc. The amount of custom parts that dont exist on the market already is quite small...
You want a challenge? 6.2L raptor swap the car... no Ford ECUs with pedals to handle the wiring, no prebuilt exhaust headers, motor mounts, or bracket kits to mount various pumps and really not that big of an aftermarket.
I'm doing it, the build can be found over on the ProTouring forums in the build section (Sometimes A Great Notion - 1989 Foxbody Mustang Build) and the swap is not super complicated to understand.
The key to these swaps is planning. As the military says, proper preparation and planning prevents piss poor performance. You minimize the "While I'm in here" with a realistic list of what actually needs done. You can better budget the build with parts that are essential in a certain order. No use buying the power steering pump bracket when you don't have the k member types of things get eliminated with good planning.
Its definitely not for the mechanically challenged, but if you have any wrench turning ability and the ability to plan and take your time, it's not difficult. Difficult is blazing a trail through the woods on a barely traveled path and documenting it for all to see!
Also, love my 2015 Mustang GT/PP, but I hate how Coyotes sound. The old flat head V8 firing order ruined the otherwise great modular V8 sound. Glad my 6.2L Raptor motor has the standard modular firing order.
Most exhaust dont sound very good for the coyote. The exceptions so far that I've found is corsa extreme and mbrp race. His fox body sounds good with the shortened exhaust.
They don't sound like mustangs anymore, more of a generic V8
My 87 gt has 76k original miles with just a bolt ons . I want more power so I’m building a completely different 302 and saving my original stock motor and trans
Brendan Mccabe smart move man !
You are exactly right. I'm a Firebird guy but I think people need to enjoy and work on original engines before running to LS swap trends. I tried that and got ripped off by an enjoy shop.....which caused me to not enjoy it anymore so I sold the LS swap project.
Oh and the car used to run with the original 400 Poncho (wish I never took it apart)....
I’m calling click bait on this
Great video. Appreciate the advice. What are some of the bugs your working out and have worked out.
Good points..main thing is the budget
I love the little 3.7..that engine with the 6 speed manual in the foxbody..now THAT would be awesome ! I would definitely support a channel that would step out and do something out of the norm.
i have a 89 5.0 convertible i have had for 12 years i have invested more than 10000 grand in the car,just upgrading ,basic things still not done with it,i love the car and my wife does two,its just a summer car,its my second wife for life.
Been on the fence....love the new edge swap y’all did but with my car being in such great shape...may just procharge it and call it done. Change my mind every day lol.
I think the Coyote swap is a badass upgrade for a light Fox body. For me, something like this can wait. The costs in doing so will come down in 5-10 years. I will just enjoy and learn what I have now. But, if I wanted one today, I'd do it exactly the way you did it, get out of the way and have a reputable garage do it for you.
Gen 3 10r80
Engine swaps sound like a nightmare to me.
Hey man you think is possible putting a 2018 coyote with a 10 spped into a fox
Bro do you have a video talking about the stalling issue? I have a coyote swapped LX and one of the biggest issues is the stalling
david gomez someone help this man!!
40Mike Mike lol thanks man. But yes. Someone please help lol
Swapping a 5.4 in a expedition el to a 5.0 truck cant wait
All hand's up to you my Brother........nothing like being straight with the viewer!
Thank you and might God bless you continually!!!
I have a 06 Mercury grand marquis. Thinking of a 5.0 ,what are comments 🤔.
soooooo, why should I not coyote swap my 15 focus?
i know some folks were at least initially against it - some folks still are against it i think because perhaps they don't understand it - but i honestly _really_ *love* the modular DOHC 4.6L V8 that the Mustang Cobra SVT had from '96-'99 before they even went to the supercharger.... I just _adore_ those engines... they were just beautifully designed and produced so much horsepower without needing to go to a larger displacement simply by using more efficient features with the engine... i really love the 1996-1999 Mustang Cobra SVTs and I would buy one in a second if it was stock and I knew it wasn't dogged like crazy... I love the white ones especially with tan interior... that's kinda like my dream Ford car that isn't a Foxbody of course...
naturally, there was _so_ much improvement done to the modular V8s with the overhead cams... i think it was done extremely well, and even without a supercharger or turbocharger, the new 302 which i was freaking *overjoyed* about when i heard about it coming out and it has just gotten so much better over time =) of course, like any mustang lover, i adore the Foxbody Mustangs and with them the 302 5.0L engine :) if i could choose a Mustang to buy right now though, in all honesty, because of the very reason @Foxcast Media discussed - i probably _wouldn't_ go for a Foxbody because the stock vehicles are just out of my price range... after all, you can still find some '94s with the 302 even though they aren't Foxbodies; however, you still have that engine and most likely it hasn't been overly modded... The problem with the other Mustang GTs and stuff though is that they only had single overhead cams (SOHC) V8s, which really let us down with the power at about 215hp rated back in 1994 if I'm not mistaken... however, the SVT Cobra still used the GT40 heads with high airflow and they worked really nicely with that 5.0L engine as they had since 1993 of course.
that's one reason I would probably get a '96-'99 Mustang Cobra SVT because i simply *adore* them - their body style, their lines, and everything... i just love them. i mean, it isn't like i would buy that car and then go right to some sort of modification! i really would want to keep it as stock as possible... the exhaust is lovely, so i would want to keep that just as it was from the factory as well as the heads, the cams, valves, springs, etc... so, i mean, i would love to find one that someone had done some modifications to and bring it back to stock or find one that was kind of messed up by a younger guy who just loved speed and then take some appropriate steps to rebuild the engine, put some nice performance parts that would keep it classy and allow me to have one of my real dream cars :) the other real dream cars of mine are the G Body Buick GNXs especially from 1987-89; however, those are way out of any price range... i actually saw an SVT Cobra from 1999 for only $14,750. i would pay that tomorrow if i could find another one like that LOL :D
I have a plain old GT40P headed 302, with a cam and an old school Weiand 174 roots type blower. It's cheap and a hell of a lot of fun on the street. No coyote here, probably ever.
Hey where can I see photos of that roots driven 83?
@@sifulowang easiest place would be on a site called Foureyedpride, user name Brianj. I keep meaning to get some photos together, but never do.
how does it feel with the blower?
I really like that the fox bodies 302 had forged pistons. Too bad the other 302's were not all like this
This is a costly build. Thanks for the honesty.
But they look so nice! I considered a swap into my 87 with a blown motor (306k miles) after my 16 GT was totaled, but decided to go ahead and rebuild the 16. It is such a nicer vehicle to drive every day than my 87, which I drove for 24 yrs. It would have cost me probably $5k after selling the good parts from my 16, maybe less since the salvage was only $8,350. Maybe one day I will still do it. Great job on the cars and the videos!
I definitely understand the "working the bugs" part. I am having some vibration issues and I believe it's coming from the IRS. Which of course is a part that doesn't belong in a Fox, lol!
Car looks great bro!
exactly you can take fox five liter to the high 12s on motor alone , add in a super charger or a turbo and you are well into the 11s that is plenty fast enough for your average street racer weekend drag car
Many go 11s on motor on cheap builds.
What k-member do you need for the cyote in a fox?
I’m thinking about swapping one of my trucks, my plan is to buy parts here and there slowly, trans transfer case, clutch pedals what not
how far into the harness do the fusible links run? I think this is my problem on my 88. I know off subject. sorry just need some fusible link help. Thanks in advance...… no where do the actually show this. I know they are right there off the solenoid. but how far into the harness do they run.
They should be located very close to the fire wall solenoid probably within the first 3 two 6in of the wiring attaching to the solenoid i would think
@@fordtechlife ya I figured it out thanks...… had to do some more google picture searching. it is the factory links. so they are the big rubber rectangular blocks. the wire inside those blocks is the fusible link 2inches long at most. so no need to open up the harness at all.
The ones you get from the auto parts store are the long wire looking fusible links. so was not sure. glad I didn't open up the factory harness for nothing. :) I will do a live video or something on it to hopefully help others in the future. I don't like editing... LOL so a quick live upload works best. hope I get it up and running soon.....
@@WinZard Sounds Good ill keep an eye out
Good Advise Bro Real And True From your Hart, that old push rod setup wasn't all that bad lol considering all the work & Cash it takes to Coyote Swap maybe if I blew my 331, & it was Toast lol. I would think more seriously about the coyote, the fact that you can put some good exhaust & Intake, little fuel system upgrade and a VMP & Tune
Push 700 plus HP is freaking AWESOME
Do you have an in depth video or article etc about the steps involved in actually doing it?
Great advice. Most of this applies to my 331 recent rebuild as well. I'm not super mechanically inclined and had to use a shop for most of the heavy lifting We are still working out bugs, but at the end of the day i'm happy because I wanted that pushrod sound from High School. PS -> Love the reuse of the Foxtoberfest footage :-)
Thanks for the realness... is there any set up that gives the 302 similar performance as the coyotes?
What makes more sense being a fox body 5.0 owner...
Building your 5.0 forged bottom end and everything vs coyote swap???
If it were me I’d build the old 5.0 make it hold power then do forced induction what do you guys think???!??!??!
Is it just as easy to swap a 5.2 voodoo engine into a 2001 new edge gt
15 to 20 k for and SN85??
With how long the Coyote has been out now it’s really not a big job anymore. Since they have been swapped into so many things there are numerous components for each application. You can’t get around the cost too much with the exception of shopping for a good used motor but pretty much all special tools can be rented from your local auto store.
I love the work you have done to your car and several others. I really appreciate this video.
How much cheaper will it be to put a 115 coyote vs the GT. Just swap the GT cams over.
A lot cheaper since truck motors sell for a fraction the cost of the mustang motors at auto recycle places like LKQ.... couple grand anyway.
I couldn't do this swap because i cant affort it. Now i feel good watching this video, knowing i did not miss anything.
My LS swap options are looking better everyday.
May I ask you a question I have a 98 Ford mustang six cylinder motor it was my wife's car she passed away I want to make Nice play toy but I want to be able to drive it a long ways away I have access to a 351 Windsor or Motor come out of a 150 Ford pick up truck 2012 model a little bit about me i've been working on cars and trucks my whole life are I have had race cars and mud bog trucks last but BOGGS rocker built for my son he was 15 took a brown bronco to put 44s on it put a 460 motor in it put a roll cage in it I would like to have your opinion thank you very much for your time
What would be Ford engine swap for my 78 King cobra
stuck one in a 61 falcon
Is this up for sale? I’m on the hunt for one...
I've recently inherited my dad's bone stock down to the air box 1991 5.0l LX. The car has 126k original miles. My dad brought the car home in 1992 and it was the car I've measured every car against throughout my life! I took my driver's test in this car in 1995.... But I'm torn.
The way the car sits now it's a solid 8.5/10 and even the original paint is in good shape ( garaged car it's entire life ), but the original 302 and automatic trans are so outdated it makes me want to swap for the coyote or even an LS. I don't know if I want to just restore it to perfect original, hop the original 302 up with some gt40 parts during a rebuild, or completely go hog wild with a swap :/
Thanks for the heads up and honesty , I want to do a swap in general similar to this but I don’t have 15 - 20 k throw out the door. So I’ll just stick to more simple car mods
I still want one in my 79
I know I'm late but love ur video and I been wanting to coyote swap since I was 15, I'm only 20 now but my new edge is getting beat up it's got 260k miles so and maintenance is getting expensive
But I'm going to do it I've got everything except the control back and trans
Question new to the channel. Do you have a/c in the swap? Or could you?
Need help with my fox. Trying to keep it alive love the car alot but having a mind blowing problem that hard to find out and when I take it to the mechanic they want to know exactly what's wrong if that the case I would have fixed it lol
Very good and very truthful video. 👍🏻 words of wisdom
Another reason why I love car shows and meet and greet events (and now TH-cam). I can admire the swaps and custom builds and all of the hard work that went into these projects. But it is definitely not for me. For every change that you make to your engine, etc means more time spent under the hood!
Coyote 2500-4K, beef up the 4r70w 1000, wiring/computer 1500, tubular k-member 400, and I'll even say another thousand misc, where are you getting 17000-25,000??? I guess if you need the car too?
I’m currently planning a coyote swap for my 2000 new edge mustang. I have a boy on the way and he deserves a nice car when he graduates. Then after that I want to coyote swap my 69 mustang! (I know... a true pain in the ass job)
I've already Coyote-swapped my 70 Mach 1. Buying a IFS kit makes it pretty easy, really. Honestly, the biggest pain has been getting a 6R80 swapped in behind it. Major transmission and firewall surgery so far...
I the new age is a lot easier then the fox to swap
I thought it would be really cool to do a new coyote 5.0 swap? Specially with 1993 or 1991 90 or 2000’s? To have a better engine?....
Because someone out there did the same swap for less using a LS
Great and awesome channel! Love the passion! I am debating whether or not to go all-in with my 1993 or not. I do want to tear it right down to the Uni-Body and frame up build. It is a Power Window, Door, and Sunroof - all of which I want to DELETE. So, change of doors and a roof fill in (tips for that?) and turn into a street car running Hillclimb events. It's super tough to decide as a S550 PP2 is looking more utilitarian to start with for my purposes... though I love my Fox, had this one for 6 years.
Thar sunroof Is like a 6k option for that Car! And now, I know buyers who only want a t-top or sunroof Car too. I chose my 93 because of the sunroof. I only had 10 k miles on mine when bought, but planned to upgrade to Coyote or built terminator when the engine did finally die
Love the topic and the run down. A lot of car guys won't go into why NOT to do something to your car. A lot of people also like to go with the times or keep up with others within "The Race" but as he pointed out stick with what works for you. Great video.... but I still wanna coyote swap my mustang lol ijs.....
Everything you said is so true
#1 get budget throw it out add 15k to existing funds and another 10k on reserve, unless your buying use junkyard parts..i have $1500 just on custom built radiator...the options are limitless where your funds will evaporate....happy building..
Junkyard is your best friend you can use parts off SN95 and truck motors will put you about 10k to 12k
Original 86 gt built in Dec 85. No rust front seats and dash top sun baked. Not wrecked. Coyote twice power. Pretty tempting.
I think a coyote fox would be awesome, but I don’t pretend to have the skill/resources available to do that job myself. I’d rather cut my teeth on a 302 based striker build or something like that first, then later down the line after I’ve learned a few things, maybe decide to go full swap.
OK Foxcast 👍 I been watching your videos long enough to know that you don't swap a Cobra especially from 1993(idiots!) & yes the value on GTs is climbing (for great running low mile documented 5 spd cars) but what if they had over 200k on it or no motor @all?
I've been watching you for some time. Your car is awsome and I'm glad u had the budget to build your dream fox. That being said here's where I am on this. I will take one point u made a little farther. I dont think any v8 car should be used especially rare and survivors. Especially what Dover is doing going around and snatching up cars for swaps to sale he should only use 4 bangers and here's why. Like u said the v8 fox is getting harder and harder to find most have been wrecked or turned into race cars. I have a 90 lx hatch. It's in need of restoration but a survivor completely stock. I do plan on building a new engine and it's a slugomatic so a 5speed is in its future but the car will remain a pushrod fuel injection car. What all the pushrod haters dont get is these were the cars that bridge the gap between old school pushrod power and new school technology " the full on fuel injection and a computer controlling the engine. But also bc of the firing order not being regular 5.0. The h.o engines had a 351 firing order not a 302 like the non h.o so it breathing threw a set of flow masters has a unique sound only a 5.0 h.o has. They just sound bad ass. The coyote swap is awsome it has its advantages for sure more power with better mpg if I put over 400 hp in my pushrod it would drink gas like crazy compared to a stock coyote putting out that much. But that's my opinion and I guess if all of you swap coyotes in them then that will just make the value of mine go up.lol like what u do brother keep it up. And what 5 lug swap did u use that's one thing I plan to do
I was selling Ford's - 2018 Mustang GT is 470hp.
I'm inclined to agree. I wish I had left my 5.0 notch stock and bought something less rare to build. Not that it's not a fun car, I love driving her. But with the market for a notch these days, I should have found a 4 cyl notch or hatch to build
92notchback302
Great video. I’m debating a turbo coyote build for my 88 turbo coupe. But when I see that parts bill I almost pass out. I mean any well built car should cost 20k but the small stuff for this nickel and dime you so quickly.
So it would probably be cheaper to do a mild big block Ford stroker build. That's where I was headed with the scat rotating assembly. It's a 460 with the 554 stroker. (.30 over so a 514 or somewheres round there) I just want decent horsepower with brute torque. Don't can't care that it's 700+ lbs. Just want big reliable power. anyways love your channel keep um coming. we appreciate you. take her easy. keep it between the ditches 👍👍
Turbo the 5.0 with small twins. You'll have more torque than you'll know what to with on street tires
Love them 99 SVT Wheels - total shop hours to get that first drive? Times a buck twenty ($120) , has to be $$$$
Dont do it if you have a low miles matching numbers car. A old pushrod Windsor block probably has more potential anyway.
So much easier to drop a Windsor in it!! Heads,cam, intake!! The 95 truck block even has a roller cam!! We've done them!! So much more low end torque makes it harder to hook, but it's a fraction of the cost of the Coyote! Mustangs aren't the only fox bodies either!
I'm looking for a Ford engine or engine build with at least 400 N/A horsepower and 420 lb/ft of torque without eating itself 40k miles later. Budget under $8000.
Vague. 351w stroker. 500 hp under 8k
@@falconater68 Windsor 5.8, eh? Like, out of the Cobra R Mustangs and GT500? Sounds good. If my budget is higher, is an F150-spec Coyote any good?
You just buy a donor car Gen 2 coyote for like 4k with low miles. And BOOM! Everything else is fairly cheap like the k member and parts. Im already half way through my Coyote engine and I'm barely at 5k. Its all about looking at the best options and what you have in mind as far as what you want OUT of the coyote engine.
No need to coyote a old fox 5.0
You can make some big power out of those motors and parts are cheap and plentiful.
Currently waiting
Yeah it would be muuuuch cheaper to swap a new edge. With maybe a gen 1 truck motor.
If it were easy, everyone would do it ! My DECH car was my last fox ....
Love the channel dude👍
Ready to put a voodo in my 93 snake, cheaper than buying a gt350..