So, if it’s not tolerated then WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL THERE WAS A VERDICT. Now if they would’ve came back GUILTY. Would you have even done anything. He should’ve been fired as soon as it came out.
The problem is MSP and MA lawmakers will point to Proctor and say 'See, we got the bad apple...'. Then do nothing else about the entire system that is corrupt. Its NOT just him. Mawn is corrupt. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
His supervisors, Tully and Bukake, knew about his bad behavior b/c they were in a group chat with him. He was the lead investigator on another current case. Continuously monitoring the trial means that if Karen had been found guilty, it would have been business as usual.
Nothing is going to happen to any of them. Proctor will be quietly transferred to a new elite unit, with a new sert team. Crooked, Corrupt Canton will go on.
Restoring community trust? Then investigate Proctor's supervisors, Tully and Bukenik, who allowed and even encouraged Proctor's corrupt behavior. Otherwise Proctor is just a fall guy.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
@@Whitney357_9 Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!🤦
@Johnnyjonas274 Canton's current town by-law can't initiate a petition to re-call his election as it is passed a certain day. I believe it is within 35 days of an election. Why no one in Canton initiated this during that time period is a good question. For a special removal of CA as selectman, I think it would be up to a Select Board vote to remove him from his seat. I don't know if that Select Board would do that. If protesters continue to disrupt public speak of Select Board meetings, they may eventually decide that this disruption is not in the best interest of conducting town business.
@@jh9992 hopefully they keep up the pressure like during the last meeting. He should do the right thing and step down, but probably too selfish to do that. The ones who kept voting this guy in when he killed someone and took off is beyond me.
Word of the day: Hyperfocused. He just presented a word salad. Said a lot of nothing. Proctor should be fired, not rehomed. Others should be FIRED too.. Buka.. Paul... All of these "Officers" have made your state police look like complete bafoons. It's a Clown show in Mass.
Tr Paul was just a puppet. They used him and embarrassed him. You can bet he will be getting better training after this, and wont blindly follow orders again. I dont think hes a bad cop, just untrained and not bright.
He did some “corporate talk” but I felt he was sincere. He has to follow the process laid out in the union contract both for Proctor and anyone else involved in the case.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
The DA's office is just as culpable. More, in fact. The State better be coming down on that office, not waiting on the feds. The feds can take the second shot. But the DA's office as a whole is corrupt and complicit. These are longstanding patterns of widespread, commonplace corrupt investigations and prosecutions, as well as both of those as it pertains to protecting coming LEO'S. Disgusting.
So, who would you suggest? The FBI, the doj? Both of these departments are not trust worthy on anything. Both directors of the FBI and doj are liars if you haven’t seen them in the congressional hearings, I would hope you know this.
Locking Karen up is on the way. She IS the hateful killer. No other way to explain her insane abnormality that night. She counted John exposure in cold without coat as a punish that is why she asked Jennifer to Google. She risked john's Life for her rage. This damn dangerous woman deserves the highest conviction under the law.
Why did it take over a year to conplete an IA investigation? Knowing all you knew about this corrupt cop, you still sat by and let the trial play out with the possibility of an innocent woman going to jail.
Every case that this trooper touched is tainted, and the MSP has suffered irreparable damage due to his bad decisions and the poor decisions of his supervisors. Shame!
Exactly! He wouldn't have felt comfortable texting the vile things he did if it was frowned upon by his supervisors. This tells me that the culture within this agency is less than professional and ethical.
For those of you not following the trial, he used the terms he did in a group chat with his boss and fellow officers while they asked him if he found undressed photos of Karen Read on her phone that was in evidence. It’s clear the whole department is garbage and promotes that kind of behavior.
That was Trooper Proctor and a Canton police officer (an Albert). So this guy isn't the boss of the Canton cop. Officer Albert needs to be fired for his actions you're referring to.
This is Massachusetts… MSP Colonel, DA Morrisey, Canton selectman John Connelly have zero self control. Does the Colonel look like he could run across the street? They all eat and drink away the taxpayers $. Sad.
With how freely Proctor was speaking in text, it's a guarantee that he's not the only corrupt one. They have just been getting away with it for a very long time
Why now? Clean the house, he didn’t acted alone. This feels like if they would have been able to “pin it on the girl”, nothing would have happened. They waited to say something after the mistrial. Respect the trial process sounds like a joke, so allow a person to go through that anguish, spend so much in defense, tax dollars used in that circus, when they could have been open and say the investigation didn’t fulfill protocol since the beginning.
Crude texts aside, what is MSP doing to improve their accident reconstruction training, policies and procedures? Trooper Paul has to be the worst expert witness ever. I think the defense did not object to his testimony because he was so woefully inept, uneducated and unprofessional.
He also has to be accountable. He impersonated knowledge he clearly doesn’t have, with the purpose of convicting a woman. That is also planting evidence.
@@Barb417 I haven't seen a shred of actual evidence that tied her directly to his death. Pieces of tail light that miraculously broke several times in evidence, the lack of a proper crime scene, the expert witnesses who stated it wasn't possible for O'Keefe to have died from a car accident, nor to have died from getting hit by a very precise part of her car in those conditions all prove it wasn't death by Karen Read. More happened here but the State Police and DA's Office aren't willing to uncover the truth because it will bloody their department and office more than they already are at this time. The real victims here besides John O'Keefe are his niece and nephew who have lost yet another parent.
"This is totally normal for us. I condemn these commets only because you found out. We are doing our best to get this trooper retired with full benefits as soon as possible"
Gotta love it. We will not tolerate any misconduct which is why we will not fire Michael proctor and instead assign him to a brand new department where no one knows of his previous misconduct.
All incidents like this require labor law considerations that ensure due process steps for employees. Any violation of labor laws could make it harder if not impossible to get rid of him.
They are absolutely reflective of the Mass state police. There was more than one cop in the chats and it was all accepted. That is a culture of this behavior
Watched trial from Montana. Way too much reasonable doubt to convict KR. And Lally said he is going to retry her! WTH. Math and physics don't lie, but the witnesses for the Commonwealth sure did.
The state police are only doing this because this became widely public. It’s obvious that Procter was encouraged by coworkers and bosses. He’s just the sacrifice.
‘We monitored the trial’ but let the sham continue until we were fully exposed to the light of public scrutiny….and it was then, and only then we began to respond to our crimes publicly.
Pretty sure this is not the first time he sent texts of that nature to his superiors without reprimand so what are they going to do to change the culture? Let me guess, throw Proctor under the bus and keep acting the way they always have.
@@NYC2023-du8mgSomeone was in the jury who had connections of some sort with the police! how else could they ignore the plow driver, dog marks and experts the FBI use?!
What, you're not buying what The Commonwealth, through Adam "Mumbles" Lally and Trooper "Crime Scene Whisperer" Paul, tried to sell the jury, that Karen Read backed her SUV up into John O'Keefe at 24 mph, striking him in the arm and catapulting him 10+ feet onto Brian Albert's lawn and that the cuts on John's arm were from a broken tail light and not, as they clearly seem to be, from dog bites and scratches? Shocking.
I speak police let me translate --- We knew for years how bad Procter was but now that it's been brought to national attention we have decided to finally do something about it to save face with the public. there's nothing to see here the rest of the force is 100% honest.
The only reason this happened, this case was nationally reported on - if it were a public defender and she were poor - all the manufactured evidence - the texts and unprofessional behaviors and attitudes in the culture of the Dept. wouldn't have been exposed nationally. The Trooper and DA would have gotten a Atta Boy and onto the next case.
Proctor and his supervisor showed unprofessional conduct! Drinking on job while operating a state vehicle should have been enough along with the texts!!
In other words he really means. We were hoping this trial would not be a National event. Therefore we did nothing. Now we are forced to cover our tails and investigate ourselves.
What you need is an outside agency to have full access to the State Police to monitor and audit the Mass State Police. I respect the police - I really do - but the bad apples have to be weeded out because it puts a stain on every trooper and that's not right!
Typical political non-statement (BS). There are way deeper problems than Proctor in the MPD. None of his superiors in those text threads made any attempt to correct his conduct or behaviour in those messages. That's culture. Root and branch clean out.
I agree he needs to be fired, but they can't fire him immediately. There's a process. This explains it well: A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
Smoke and mirrors. They knew about this and did nothing until after the trial. They didn't fire home. They rehomed him and he still gets his full salary and pension.
Mawn needs to be fired along with Proctor. The entire State Police system needs to be torn down and rebuilt with someone from the outside taking over to make sure it's not the same old song and dance. Enough with the scandals, enough of these meaningless speeches from Mawn declaring things are going to change. Healey Needs to actually stay put in the state she claims to govern and do her job. She's jetting around the globe on her self promotion tours while the state police once again looks like a clown show.
Bring a leader that has a proven track record of cleaning up! This goes beyond MPD to BPD and Canton PD as well as DA's office. The entire system is rotten.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash! Smh 🤦♂!!!
@@kevc6115 dont forget that the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down a few years ago for pervasive top down overtime fraud. News reporters had Troop E people in pajamas taking out trash at time they claimed and were paid overtime 🤦
So, if it’s not tolerated then WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL THERE WAS A VERDICT. Now if they would’ve came back GUILTY. Would you have even done anything. He should’ve been fired as soon as it came out.
Of course not
RIGHT!!!!
I think Proctor would have been praised and promoted if verdict was guilty! Corruption is abundant!
Exactly!
Bingo.
Arrest him for staging a crime scene ,along with his colleagues!ASAP !😠
They can't because they will have egg on their faces.
They will never own this!
haha, they will arrest a homeless person who will die in jail and the case will be closed!
They better be investigating all those involved in the Karen Read case. Proctor isn't the only corrupt cop in this.
The problem is MSP and MA lawmakers will point to Proctor and say 'See, we got the bad apple...'. Then do nothing else about the entire system that is corrupt. Its NOT just him. Mawn is corrupt. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
I agree 100% with you
This was not his first time doing this, just the first time it was publicized.
I agree as well. However, he is about to be the scapegoat
They need to investigate Higgins, he's the one who killed john.
His supervisors, Tully and Bukake, knew about his bad behavior b/c they were in a group chat with him. He was the lead investigator on another current case. Continuously monitoring the trial means that if Karen had been found guilty, it would have been business as usual.
Nothing is going to happen to any of them. Proctor will be quietly transferred to a new elite unit, with a new sert team. Crooked, Corrupt Canton will go on.
Accountable? No one has been held to the standard that a person working at McDonalds would go through. Sickening.
Paying lip service and doing damage limitation exercises will not remove the stink of corruption in Canton PD
Why didn't they intervene on the Trooper Paul testimony? Lack of professionality there. No science or reason whatsoever! Bizarre.
Restoring community trust? Then investigate Proctor's supervisors, Tully and Bukenik, who allowed and even encouraged Proctor's corrupt behavior. Otherwise Proctor is just a fall guy.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
folks will get inpatient and it’s understandable but it takes certain steps to go through before they did what they done regarding to Proctor.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!!
Bingo.
@@Whitney357_9 Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash!!🤦
Proctor wasn’t the only one ! His tyrant bosses as well in that chat !!! You all need REMOVED!
Agree! He was ordered to do all that. So his supervisors should all be fired.
They need to get rid of Chris Albert's from the Select Committee!
The citizens of Canton have to demand that, not the state police
Absolutely! I watch the Board meeting from a few days ago. The ppl of Canton made it clear that they want Alberts out
@Johnnyjonas274 Canton's current town by-law can't initiate a petition to re-call his election as it is passed a certain day. I believe it is within 35 days of an election. Why no one in Canton initiated this during that time period is a good question. For a special removal of CA as selectman, I think it would be up to a Select Board vote to remove him from his seat. I don't know if that Select Board would do that. If protesters continue to disrupt public speak of Select Board meetings, they may eventually decide that this disruption is not in the best interest of conducting town business.
They just hired the Chief for another year!!!
@@jh9992 hopefully they keep up the pressure like during the last meeting. He should do the right thing and step down, but probably too selfish to do that.
The ones who kept voting this guy in when he killed someone and took off is beyond me.
Fire Brian Higgins too
100% agree. Slime ball
Higgins did it
@@PJTYLER they were all involved!!
Word of the day: Hyperfocused. He just presented a word salad. Said a lot of nothing. Proctor should be fired, not rehomed. Others should be FIRED too.. Buka.. Paul... All of these "Officers" have made your state police look like complete bafoons. It's a Clown show in Mass.
Hyper 🐂💩, all I hear when these people talk anymore is, blah blah blah blah blah.
Tr Paul was just a puppet. They used him and embarrassed him. You can bet he will be getting better training after this, and wont blindly follow orders again. I dont think hes a bad cop, just untrained and not bright.
Total word salad.
He did some “corporate talk” but I felt he was sincere. He has to follow the process laid out in the union contract both for Proctor and anyone else involved in the case.
A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
A blind man can see she’s innocent, a blind man can see that, and a deaf person can hear the public…….loudly!
What about the others involved. Proctors supervisors knew what was going on and allowed it!
YES, ALL NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED. 🤔😤😡
Not to mention the "physics & stuff" guy. He might not be corrupt, but CLEARLY incompetent & way over his head.
of course nothing will happen to them lol, they are just blaming this one guy and everyone is falling for it
@@11C1PThe only person I’ve ever seen who I would describe as “criminally stupid”.
The DA's office is just as culpable. More, in fact. The State better be coming down on that office, not waiting on the feds. The feds can take the second shot. But the DA's office as a whole is corrupt and complicit. These are longstanding patterns of widespread, commonplace corrupt investigations and prosecutions, as well as both of those as it pertains to protecting coming LEO'S. Disgusting.
You made the decisions yesterday only! It is only because it got out that you are pretending to do something. You are liable too!
Internal affairs = Police investigating themselves. Worthless.
Fox guarding the hen house?
Police integrity means “keep it off camera.”
Bingo!!
100% correct.
So, who would you suggest? The FBI, the doj? Both of these departments are not trust worthy on anything. Both directors of the FBI and doj are liars if you haven’t seen them in the congressional hearings, I would hope you know this.
- this man is corrupt and needs to be dragged into the fed investigation also. they are all dirty AF.
Poor John O. He will never have justice because of these corrupt officers. I don't know how any of them can sleep at night.
Narcissists have no trouble sleeping
@@JulieRushworth true.
Yes it’s all their fault we will never know the truth.
Locking Karen up is on the way. She IS the hateful killer. No other way to explain her insane abnormality that night. She counted John exposure in cold without coat as a punish that is why she asked Jennifer to Google. She risked john's Life for her rage. This damn dangerous woman deserves the highest conviction under the law.
@BostonNanna I think we might some day.
Why did it take over a year to conplete an IA investigation? Knowing all you knew about this corrupt cop, you still sat by and let the trial play out with the possibility of an innocent woman going to jail.
Every case that this trooper touched is tainted, and the MSP has suffered irreparable damage due to his bad decisions and the poor decisions of his supervisors. Shame!
I AGREE 100 PERCENT
Totally agree
Nah. Standard operating procedure. Nobody wants to look at facts except the people who've been victimised.
Wait til you find out about the drug lab...
Do tell!
“It’s not reflective of the Mass. State Police!” -- Oh please!!
Exactly! He wouldn't have felt comfortable texting the vile things he did if it was frowned upon by his supervisors. This tells me that the culture within this agency is less than professional and ethical.
For those of you not following the trial, he used the terms he did in a group chat with his boss and fellow officers while they asked him if he found undressed photos of Karen Read on her phone that was in evidence. It’s clear the whole department is garbage and promotes that kind of behavior.
No doubt
This isn't the only case that trooper and his supervisors have tainted. I honestly feel like he should be charged.
Will these be the same investigators who investigated all the cops who stole overtime pay and let them retire with pension
Same thing in grant county washington state..overtime
Fire NO pension
What was it, 16 of them?!!
Same thing in Lincoln. County wa..im at chrissharpeworld
Yep, same ones.
What about the cops that went drinking in Sandwich in a cruiser and lost gun and badge?
That was Trooper Proctor and a Canton police officer (an Albert). So this guy isn't the boss of the Canton cop. Officer Albert needs to be fired for his actions you're referring to.
What a load of crap, he is just saying what he thinks he should. He will probably have a drink with Proctor later on!
This!! 👆👆👆
I'm sure he was at the VFW of the other night
A drink? Nah, most likely 5-6 drinks!!! Of course he will and then will get behind the wheel of a state police vehicle and drive home.
100% he’s one of them. The only thing they’re sorry about is being caught and now having to answer to the taxpayer.
This is Massachusetts… MSP Colonel, DA Morrisey, Canton selectman John Connelly have zero self control. Does the Colonel look like he could run across the street? They all eat and drink away the taxpayers $. Sad.
All crooked MFs
They all should be investigated
Enough is enough! Something needs to change, but I don’t know how that can happen with such widespread corruption.
You mean drink + eat. Priorities...
He wouldn’t have done a thing if she’d been declared guilty. Says a lot about how they operate.
He's a liar he should have been fired how come he hasn't been. The hardworking taxpayers deserve better than you.
He’s protecting his pension too. We all know. There will be no real change.
Fire him!!
He's in a Union have to make sure everything in order before they terminate him
Cannot be fired. MSP union too powerful on Beacon Hill. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
@@Paul1958R 😅😅😅 NEVER?? YEAH I DON'T THINK SO
This guy's a joke just like the rest of them. Remember he was texting his bosses
@@StarterVillian Well he will NEVER be accused of being VERY BRIGHT
There should be an outside investigation into this state, the federal government owes the citizens of the state.
Due to Michael Proctors misconduct we’ve decided to rehome him!
Gawd!!!! Right!?!?? A buncha hot air!!!!
The McAlberts need to be rehomed! Haha!
guaranteed he walks away with his full pension and benefits..... disgusting
@melanieragadio2018 Pretty sure BA retired right after JO’s death.
Behind the thin blue wall
With how freely Proctor was speaking in text, it's a guarantee that he's not the only corrupt one. They have just been getting away with it for a very long time
Why now? Clean the house, he didn’t acted alone. This feels like if they would have been able to “pin it on the girl”, nothing would have happened. They waited to say something after the mistrial. Respect the trial process sounds like a joke, so allow a person to go through that anguish, spend so much in defense, tax dollars used in that circus, when they could have been open and say the investigation didn’t fulfill protocol since the beginning.
You need to fire your loser Trooper. He framed that poor woman.
Absurd. All relevant evidence clearly proves that Karen Read killed John O'Keefe
Technically, the
Mc Albert Higgins gang framed Karen Read.
Proctor Trooper is just a tool that they used to do the framing. Proctor is expendable.
This guy himself should be fired. Investigate all of these dirty evil cops.
I guarantee this guy is just as bad as Proctor. If it wasn't for the trial, Proctor would still be working for this guy.
They are focusing on Proctor but his supervisor did not say a word telling him to stop he should be gone also
That whole pack needs to be put in their place....jail!
100 % AGREE !!!
Crude texts aside, what is MSP doing to improve their accident reconstruction training, policies and procedures? Trooper Paul has to be the worst expert witness ever. I think the defense did not object to his testimony because he was so woefully inept, uneducated and unprofessional.
He also has to be accountable. He impersonated knowledge he clearly doesn’t have, with the purpose of convicting a woman. That is also planting evidence.
It wasn’t JUST his comments! His conduct as a whole is indicative of a culture of deceit. He is not the ONLY bad apple!
They kept him in his position through the trial KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT HE HAD DONE, because they wanted KR convicted to weaken her in a lawsuit.
Then condemn those that participated with Proctor
Fruit of the poisoned tree? "If you tolerate this, then your children will be next" as the song goes.
what he means is, they have zero tolorence once they're caught.
You didn’t fire him though did you?
Nope. Once all the dust settles, he'll be back to his regular "duties". Worst case scenario for him is he gets a job at a different agency.
exactly/
The state police in Massachusetts need to be investigated!!! This is BS!
Years too late and he’s not fired entirely ridiculous
What about the others that allowed it and gave 'thumbs ups"?!
They are just throwing only Proctor under the bus, but we know they are lot corrupt troopers there and good ones can’t speak up
He was ALLOWED to be a bad/corrupt cop, maybe even encouraged...too bad for all the good troopers.
Terrible terrible conduct that cost this women’s family a freaking nightmare !!!!!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢 What about the others ?????????
KRs terrible conduct caused the death of a police officer.
@@Barb417Prove it.
@@Barb417 The alberts murdered a police officer
@@Barb417 I haven't seen a shred of actual evidence that tied her directly to his death. Pieces of tail light that miraculously broke several times in evidence, the lack of a proper crime scene, the expert witnesses who stated it wasn't possible for O'Keefe to have died from a car accident, nor to have died from getting hit by a very precise part of her car in those conditions all prove it wasn't death by Karen Read. More happened here but the State Police and DA's Office aren't willing to uncover the truth because it will bloody their department and office more than they already are at this time. The real victims here besides John O'Keefe are his niece and nephew who have lost yet another parent.
Ok boomer @Barb417 why did the jury get it wrong? Slurp those boots.
"This is totally normal for us. I condemn these commets only because you found out. We are doing our best to get this trooper retired with full benefits as soon as possible"
Gotta love it. We will not tolerate any misconduct which is why we will not fire Michael proctor and instead assign him to a brand new department where no one knows of his previous misconduct.
exactly. all talk no action.
We know and so does the 1A community who is watching closely. Sounds like this police department needs a good audit. 😅
All incidents like this require labor law considerations that ensure due process steps for employees. Any violation of labor laws could make it harder if not impossible to get rid of him.
Protector knows too much
Oh they know everyone in america knows
BUKHENIK NEXT!!!! Since he thinks Proctor’s are acceptable and even FUNNY!
Don’t forget the reverse video, covering for Proctor manipulating evidence.
So, I guess his supervisors are next since they absolutely knew about and even participated in those text messages?
His supervisor was tampering with the car in the sallyport
They are absolutely reflective of the Mass state police. There was more than one cop in the chats and it was all accepted. That is a culture of this behavior
The whole world is watching this circus
Watched trial from Montana. Way too much reasonable doubt to convict KR. And Lally said he is going to retry her! WTH. Math and physics don't lie, but the witnesses for the Commonwealth sure did.
Dam right I'm from Canada
@@lindagabovic1966 Montana here
Watching from UK
Proctor straight up framed Karen Read
They tried to set that woman up
Still may go to another trial. They won't stop till she's in prision!
Of course, most people aren't guilty of half of the charges they get some are completely innocent
@@koconnell271we’ll see about that. Talk is real cheap.
They DID set KR up! Hence the trial.
That's not good enough! Taxpayers demand Proctor fired!
They all have to go. Police investigating the police is failed policy
We're going to investigate ourselves and determine that we are right again
Ya how far do you think that “investigation “ will go,,,no where. They’re hoping tomorrows news will blow this under the rug
Drop all charges of Karen Read
Right? How can they possibly re-try her after the lead investigator has been taken off duty for misconduct related to her case? It's evil.
Doing that would mean they would have to actually go after the people that really killed O'Keefe , are you nuts ?
The state police are only doing this because this became widely public. It’s obvious that Procter was encouraged by coworkers and bosses. He’s just the sacrifice.
I wonder if Proctor will sing? It’s funny how the colonel talks about being professional. Officer Proctor wasn’t a professional.
She confessed. Wow you’re blind. She literally confessed
Standing Proctor down with full pay from the public’s purse… how is this improving the public relations for the entire force????
What about Sandra Birchmore homicide!
This guy knows how to deliver the message. Hyperbole as someone said recently.
‘We monitored the trial’ but let the sham continue until we were fully exposed to the light of public scrutiny….and it was then, and only then we began to respond to our crimes publicly.
Pretty sure this is not the first time he sent texts of that nature to his superiors without reprimand so what are they going to do to change the culture? Let me guess, throw Proctor under the bus and keep acting the way they always have.
What a travesty of justice, how did the jury ignore the science from Dr Wolf! The mind boggles
Exactly !
@@NYC2023-du8mgSomeone was in the jury who had connections of some sort with the police! how else could they ignore the plow driver, dog marks and experts the FBI use?!
Im sure some juries were either paid or intimidated by McAlberts
What, you're not buying what The Commonwealth, through Adam "Mumbles" Lally and Trooper "Crime Scene Whisperer" Paul, tried to sell the jury, that Karen Read backed her SUV up into John O'Keefe at 24 mph, striking him in the arm and catapulting him 10+ feet onto Brian Albert's lawn and that the cuts on John's arm were from a broken tail light and not, as they clearly seem to be, from dog bites and scratches? Shocking.
The story is there was an ex cop on the jury and the judge picked him as the foreman.
“Not reflective of the state police”
Oh, then I guess we can anticipate more discipline for his supervisor who was on the thread… 😅
If you want to gain the people's trust again, Proctor needs to be fired, not transferred. He is still being paid. Ridiculous!
He is due due process like everyone else. Not excusing what he did but he is warranted the same due process we all are guaranteed to have.
Agree 100%
He's got a hearing coming up he will definitely be fired as he should of been 2 years ago
Police union is HUGE and there's rules in a union that are followed...due process etc
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Corrupt state!!!
I speak police let me translate --- We knew for years how bad Procter was but now that it's been brought to national attention we have decided to finally do something about it to save face with the public. there's nothing to see here the rest of the force is 100% honest.
Very well said TY
THANKS FOR TRANSLATING OINKS ARE HARD TO UNDERSTAND !!!
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We are going to move Proctor to a less visible position until the media attention dies down.
The only reason this happened, this case was nationally reported on - if it were a public defender and she were poor - all the manufactured evidence - the texts and unprofessional behaviors and attitudes in the culture of the Dept. wouldn't have been exposed nationally. The Trooper and DA would have gotten a Atta Boy and onto the next case.
Sandra Birchmore case coming!
Ask him if someone was lying on his grass in a storm at 18 degrees Fahrenheit, if he would wonder if the persons jacket was in the house?
What about trooper "physics & stuff"? He needs to go too.
And he was training someone during the Read investigation. Can you imagine?
@@Maria.9094wow!😮
Proctor and his supervisor showed unprofessional conduct! Drinking on job while operating a state vehicle should have been enough along with the texts!!
Why does he still have a job? His bad conduct towards women is unacceptable! What about other cases he investigated?
There are steps they have to go through to get rid of him. It's in the works.
He'll attend some sensitivity classes ...
Cannot be fired. MSP union too powerful on Beacon Hill. ALL LE in MA are corrupt.
And NO pending. Fired
No pension
His conduct is no surprise to this guy or anyone living in mass. They need to clean house,,,!!
In other words he really means. We were hoping this trial would not be a National event. Therefore we did nothing. Now we are forced to cover our tails and investigate ourselves.
What about the others especially his supervisor that gave him "laughing" emoji
What about the whole department, he is the scapegoat…
This man should be ashamed to call himself a leader. Proctor and proctor boss should have been fired immediately! Period
What you need is an outside agency to have full access to the State Police to monitor and audit the Mass State Police. I respect the police - I really do - but the bad apples have to be weeded out because it puts a stain on every trooper and that's not right!
Proctor is NOT the only one - Tully, Paul, Bukenik are next.
Bunch of BS. Proctor, his supervisors and Trooper Paul need to be "Re-Homed" to flat foots in the community.
Proctor needs to be Prosecuted! NOt demoted with a badge and gun.
Trooper Paul is barely able to string together a full sentence.
This is where they’ve always been as an organization, this guy needs to be fired more than proctor.
Typical political non-statement (BS). There are way deeper problems than Proctor in the MPD. None of his superiors in those text threads made any attempt to correct his conduct or behaviour in those messages. That's culture. Root and branch clean out.
They need to stop all the troopers who drink and drive, because they feel they won't be held accountable!
The odesity of this guy to talk about accountability and due process. There needs to be an EXTERNAL investigation of the whole MSP, from top down.
"audacity"?
@@betford2 yeah you're right, I do it always wrong, english isn't my first language
Hos long before Proctor is not only fired but also brought up on charges?
He needs to be fired, too. And every single case that the MASS state police have investigated needs to be re-investigated!
I agree he needs to be fired, but they can't fire him immediately. There's a process. This explains it well: A lot of people are getting the idea that the "transfer" language means they are just sending Proctor to another post and that's it. That's not it. There is a process involved in terminating a Mass State Police and it is NOT immediate. MSP are union. The union and MSP have an agreement that if an MSP is relieved of duty at one post, they will be transferred to another post to work temporarily. They work at that other post/district until a duty status hearing takes place. At that status hearing, they will decide the disciplinary action they will take. They can A- Keep him on with pay B-Put him on restricted duty C-Suspend him with pay D- Suspend him without pay. I do not know if they have set a date for the hearing. In most cases, the union will hire an attorney to defend him.
I think it's EXACTLY representative of MSP. Look at how they ALL behaved in the Karen Read case! Actions speak louder than words, Sir.
Smoke and mirrors. They knew about this and did nothing until after the trial. They didn't fire home. They rehomed him and he still gets his full salary and pension.
Ps are they afraid to fire Proctor because he may turn on police and expose more corruption?
Of course he knows as they say where all the bodies are buried
Mawn needs to be fired along with Proctor. The entire State Police system needs to be torn down and rebuilt with someone from the outside taking over to make sure it's not the same old song and dance. Enough with the scandals, enough of these meaningless speeches from Mawn declaring things are going to change. Healey Needs to actually stay put in the state she claims to govern and do her job. She's jetting around the globe on her self promotion tours while the state police once again looks like a clown show.
Bring a leader that has a proven track record of cleaning up! This goes beyond MPD to BPD and Canton PD as well as DA's office. The entire system is rotten.
Don't forget that a few years ago the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down and disbanded for pervasive and frequent over time fraud from the top down. They were collecting pay and overtime for hours that news reporters had them on camera in Pajamas taking out their trash! Smh 🤦♂!!!
He is the problem. If he were smart he'd retire before the dragnet.
@@kevc6115 dont forget that the ENTIRE Troop E was shut down a few years ago for pervasive top down overtime fraud. News reporters had Troop E people in pajamas taking out trash at time they claimed and were paid overtime 🤦
Democrat city. Democrat State. Democrat cops. Democrat DA. Democrat Gov. Are you starting to get the point yet?
His supervisor also had poor and unprofessional behavior…. He was in text chain with his subordinate and didn’t correct him.
Of course the MSP tolerates (encourages) misconduct, evidenced by Proctor's continued employment with them.
What about the pretend investigation?
I don’t believe this man at all.
Remember LA Confidential?
A couple heads will roll and the deep down cop culture will remain. 🙁
he is gaslighting.
Absolutely… saving face
Great movie btw.
Truth. The same thing is happening everywhere. The whole of government is corrupt to it's core.
Um, do you realize that was fiction ?
6 minutes of empty words
Hos long till Jennifer McCabe admits that she did that search at 2 am. Hos long till you figure out who is really responsible for John O'Keefe death?
A retired FED said FBI knows Brian and Colin Albert killed John O in the basement.