RockAuto currently (June 2023) has Quick Steer ball joints for my Sequoia that are the 555 type for only $26, listed as "economy level", but they have Moog and others for twice as much that look just like the crappy one in the video! I'm very glad I watched this; I had no idea what to look for. Thank you!
I just installed the "Problem Solvers" on my 2001 Tundra May 21st. Have only driven about 20 miles so far. I am convinced to remove them today or tomorrow and install me some OEM ball joints. Looks like I will be returning these to Amazon. Thank GOD I was led to this video! Thank You for the heads UP brother!!!!
@@FreedomCrawlerI have the 555s on my toyota t100. Was the t100 plagued with the common LBJ failures in the first gen tacomas/4runners/tundras? I assumed so but now that i think about it i think all those rigs have coilovers and the toyota t100 still has torsion bars. I have about 30k on my 555s now but im debating on just going OEM for peice of mind
I purchased OEM Toyota Tie Rods and Ball Joints, let me just go ahead and say $$$$$$ yikes!! But I know it’ll last me another 10 years without having to purchase them again however I probably won’t let it go that long
@@mosthated8190 i put the sankei 555 SB3806 lbj from japan in 2018. It looks just like that good moog 555 only without the grease fitting. it is still going strong without any plays.
Great video. I learned that Moog has gone to shit with a lot of their parts months ago. I just bought a pair of lower ball joints for my 1st gen Tacoma 4x4 from Mevotech. Their "X-Factor" series, that uses REAL sintered steel bearings, high quality boots, and heavy duty castings. I haven't installed them yet, so I was able to compare them to the parts in this video. The Mevotech part much more resembles the 555 part in every way: near identical: the casting thickness/shape, the lower stamped steel cover, the rubber boot ( blue in color, & connected with stainless steel rings at both the top & bottom of the boot, it blows away the boot on the cheap part in this video ), a temporary protective cover for the boot that is kept in place by the castle nut during installation, even a grease fitting. It is much better vs the cheap part you're showing in this video, I compared them very carefully. So I am definitely pleased with the Mevotech parts. I ordered them from Rock Auto. They are however manufactured in China and have the black powder coating, but Mevotech has already stated that their inspectors make sure all materials, castings, even manufacturing & assembly is done to their strict spec's. Their X-Factor series of parts carry the logo "overbuilt for durability", and all use the blue rubber boots. Mevotech has a good website, lots of videos showing how their parts are high quality, plus a customer support phone number. Mevotech ( a Canadian company that does their own research & development ) also has a line of these parts that are even heavier duty. I forget the name of the series, but the rubber boots are light green in color. I see individuals and professional mechanics/shops installing & recommending Mevotech X-Factor ( blue rubber boots ) series and their ultra HD series ( green rubber boots ) all over youtube, and most of them are NOT affiliated with Mevotech in any way. Neither am I. Just thought I would share this info.
Great video, I had to check which lower ball joints I installed. I actually used AC/Delco brand and it's extremely similar to the one that you prefer other than the machined surfaces, but definitely look to have greater structural integrity plus stouter looking ball joint. Thanks for making our gen3 community aware
I know this is a couple of years old now, but that black Moog part is more of an equivalent to the OEM LBJ than the silver part. The OE ball joints never had a grease fitting, so that is irrelevant. I purchased 2 OEM Toyota LBJ's, dated 2021, for my 1st gen Tacoma (same as a 3rd gen 4runner) directly from the dealership, they look nearly identical to that black Moog ball joint. The only difference I can see is that the cap, that you think looks cheap, is painted black on the Toyota part I have. Same cap though, and physically looks the same as that black Moog ball joint.
Moog contacted me after watching this and told me it was actually their new updated version. That it had slightly better components. I still like the 555 personally but that’s what they relayed
@FreedomCrawler what do you recommend? The 555 or the toyota oem ball joints? I know some oem parts are made by other brands and just add their name and bump up the price. I hear the 555 is the oem manufacturer for the toyota ball joints but I don't know if is the case.
I always use oem or moog. However depending on the vehicle, there’s alot of good offroad aftermarket control arm companies. Just depends on what vehicle
Someone bought a Moog part and then a house brand part, swapped the boxes, and returned the cheaper part in the Moog box. The parts house failed to check the return. Common fraud in retail.
555 is no OE rebranded factory doesn’t have grease fitting. There is a reason why some have it and some don’t. Factory have a teflon design while 555 is metal on metal that’s why it has the grease zig fitting. 555 also doesn’t have a coating it will rust quick so paint it.
Idk if anyone noticed, but i saw right away that the questionable ball joint doesn't even have a grease fitting. If i ordered these online, I'd be highly upset bc I'd have to go through the return process, order another set, and wait another week. Thanks for the heads up. I'll get mine from Toyota
The Moog upper ball joints for my '94 were way off. I could barely get the knuckle to mate. When I finally did, the CV axle stub bound up solid. Moog Problem Creator ball joints are worthless.
also the one has the grease fitting on it and the other does not. Here is what I think. Someone took out the OEM one and put in a china one and returned. it.
The chinese manufactured ball joints pops out in less then a year..watch out !!. I have had two ball joint failure on the land cruiser prado 90 series on the go. Both were china made, no zerk for greasing and on them. When the inside of the popped out b-joint were checked there was no plastic polymer seats inside either. ..its a terrible experience. The LC 90 series shares the same chassis/suspension as your 3rd gen 4runner.. with a little more beef added here and there. Go for the Sankei 555 (SB3806) non-greasable ones made in Japan. Its silver in colour and needs to be painted before fitting. The balls can be rotated with bare hands when new..feels buttery smooth. Three years now with it and mostly used hard on tough roads..not even a slight play at all yet.
When it comes to suspension and steering I only went OEM on my 2002.I knew when I bought it I’d have it this long. A Texas beauty with around 275,000 I think.
Have not ordered Moog parts. I assume you do not have an option to order 555, rebuilt OEM, parts. Is this true? I'm with you, I would never put that black part on my vehicle, the casting is ALL WRONG! Also have a question. I experienced wobble in the front end, thought ball joints were bad. Jacked it up, and noticed the passenger wheel would turn then stick. Thought bad caliper. Removed caliper and still had the problem. hub would turn then stick, I mean almost like a binding. Now it's either the axle, or the transfer case. Any of you guys experienced this before? New one on me. Oh, and put new wheel bearings in last year, so I'm eliminating that, for now. Would like to know what ya think, thanks! One more thing, it's a 2007, gen 4.
Here you go. To swap to Tacoma parts you have to do lower ball joints and outer tie rods together. Here’s the oem info if you want to go that route and the 4x4 tacoma year. 1994 - 2005 Tacoma’s OEM 1st gen Taco Parts 43330-39815 - RLBJ - Qty 1 43340-39585 - LLBJ - Qty 1 45046-39295 - ROTRE - Qty 1 45047-39175 - LOTRE - Qty 1
Where did you purchase these from? I am about to place an order from a large distributor who orders direct from MOOG. I am curious there is something going on from a distribution standpoint....
No however after watching this video Moog actually called me. Turns out the black one is the new Moog version. So I’m going to make another video to correct the information
After talking to Moog directly after seeing this video they told me that black ones are actually their new versions. So you have the best latest and greatest installed. Let me know if you have any issues
@@FreedomCrawler ha! Sweet deal! I thought about calling them myself. Mine were a pain to get off. Nightmare… Hopefully they’ll last a lifetime :) I’ll keep ya posted if they don’t.
I believe Moog recalled their ball joints for Tacoma /4 Runner. I believe the black painted one you have is one of them. The other is the Sakei part ( Triple Five) which is the best non factory ball joint.
Ya moog doesn't make parts anymore they take other brands and put them in their boxes they are a repacker I've got alot of ball joints from moog stamped 555 that's because they are repacked Sanki 555 brand ball joints 95 percent of the time your guns get a sanki 555 part in a moog box its kind of funny cause if ur guna buy moog u minus well buy the sanki 555 brand instead cause moog charges more money for their moog brand sankie 555 is a cheaper part brand so save some money and just buy the sanki 555 brand cause ur guna get the same exact part ur just paying more for it with the moog I stay away from moog I only buy it if that's the only option always go with beck arnley cause moog went to shit beck arnley 90 percent of the time ur guna get a oem dealer part in their box for half the price never had any problems with beck arnley
You got me dude!!!! Good one. I have had OEM joints last decades, and moogs last a few months. I'm sure they rebuild or get factory seconds or something, but DO NOT USE THEM. There was a company called Pro Forge, and they were good german stuff that lasted. Stick to OEM, or just spend 1500 and get new arms and uni balls.
As soon as I opened that box I knew something was wrong. I’ve had enough vehicles to know a huge red flag when I see one and that was just wrong. Again, it will work in a pinch or for the person who needs a quick fix but that’s not a Japanese OEM replacement. That’s a knockoff 100%. Have a great rest of your weekend!
The cheap black painted one doesn’t even look like it was forged ! Thank you for letting me know people know. That’s why there cheap pieces of shit are sold for $50 looks like the crappy furniture I bought.
You are correct about the piece of China stuff. I replaced some ball joints ...picked the first one I could get....lasted maybe 40,000 maybe. Don't buy the piece of China stuff. Sellers need to start marking where the parts are made, it will boost sales.
@@FreedomCrawler ....it seems like a simple idea. Sure there are companies that make premium top shelf stuff in the states, but there are small parts and pieces made in the USA that people don't know about. These companies and their distributors should not be their own worst enemies.
It seems that Moog used to have good quality parts that matched OEM quality that was made either in the USA or Japan. From my experience recently, Moog is trying to increase profit margins by taking ALL manufacturing to China (unlike what they were doing before) probably because Federal-Mogul got greedy. If you order 2 of the exact same parts and they probably will ship from different fulfillment centers you most likely are going to receive an old stock USA or Japanese made part and or a new Chinese inferior part like in this video. It's sad to see a company like this that has and can produce good quality parts replace everything with this cheap bullshit that's garbage. Buy all the old stock while you still can and return all the new crap before going to the dealership and going broke.
I have the 555 made-in-japan ones on my truck. If I would have got those black ones I would never put them on in the first place they look like s***. I hope the other ones aren't bad they looked exactly like OEM
That’s what I was thinking too. After talking to Moog they said that the black one was their updated and upgraded part but I feel like the 555 part is better. That could just be my perception though
I see this video was made two years ago. 3 years ago tenneco which bought moog around 2008 was still making them but two years ago sold to Apollo Global Managemet, 5th ave. NYC. Pretty sure they gutted company and moved to china at that time. Makes sense. Might look up tough country out of utah, they say their parts are still made in USA.
Call me crazy but those black ones look just like OEM units; indeed, I cannot tell the difference. You indicated down below that Moog informed you that the black ones are their upgraded ones, unless I misunderstood what you meant. Maybe Moog is using the same jobber as Toyota now? It sure looks that way.
What you didn't cover is that fake motor parts have been about for years. Many are made in Turkey and fake branded with well known brands. This is right across all parts, every manufacturer has this problem. Tons of fake NGK spark plugs out there etc. Send the item to Moog and ask them to verify it.
The black ball joint is NOT Moog !!!! Have done suspension work for over 40 years and have never had a Moog failure! Your feelings are not appropriate for comparing.
It actually is. Moog saw this video and called me. I spent an hour discussing with their engineers and sales team in regards to it. Going to make a follow on video. Moog is a great product, pretty sure I expressed that as well
The contract always goes to the lowest bidder. The Japanese made part cost $100 to make. The Chinese made part cost $5 to make. The seller should have caught this difference before they shipped them. Shady crap going on here.
The LBJ is just a bad design on toyota's part - you have to use the best one available because anything of lesser quality will wear out faster due to the design.
I didn't know Mike Perry from UFC liked 4runners haha jkjk. I was reading that Moog is now getting their materials from 3rd world countries and that why they products now suck.
Actually I thought so too except they reached out to me after seeing this video. Like literally put me on a conference call with their high tier engineers to clarify things. I was beyond impressed. Going to make a follow on video of our conversation
@@FreedomCrawler qhe they dropped the warranty from 2 or 3 years to 6 months...the decline started. They should have a super premium line that is not made of cheap metals, garbage,etc
DUDE! I’ve been having the same issue with cheap made in CHINA parts! My 98 Chevy S10 - ENGINE FAN PLATE! I’ve REPLACED 3 times, Because of a squeaky bearing! & the casting wasn’t right on one & the bolt holes didn’t even like up, I had to buy a left over oem from a dealership for twice the money and it’s non returnable! &,,, guess what-- it still squeaks. I’m beside myself with the cheap Chinese crap! I even called Napa / oRiellys & GATES* corporate office on the matter. AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND START MANUFACTURING IN THE USA!
Dude I disagree with you moog makes somgeeat parts better than favorites part you haven't even tried them ur going in what some one told I am betting it was some one from Toyota so would but they're parts hummmmm
RockAuto currently (June 2023) has Quick Steer ball joints for my Sequoia that are the 555 type for only $26, listed as "economy level", but they have Moog and others for twice as much that look just like the crappy one in the video! I'm very glad I watched this; I had no idea what to look for. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Please where can I get 555 at this price 26
YUP- had catastrophic LBJ failure without warning, caused a lot of damage in the crash. thanks for getting the word out
When I get my ball joints tomorrow, my eyes will be laser focused on them. Thanks!
You’re welcome
I just installed the "Problem Solvers" on my 2001 Tundra May 21st. Have only driven about 20 miles so far. I am convinced to remove them today or tomorrow and install me some OEM ball joints. Looks like I will be returning these to Amazon. Thank GOD I was led to this video! Thank You for the heads UP brother!!!!
If you have the 555’s you’re in much better shape. The black ones not so much
@@FreedomCrawler Have not been able to find the 555's going to be replacing them with OEM tomorrow! Then shipping back the cheap ones.
Fair enough. Makes sense
@@FreedomCrawlerI have the 555s on my toyota t100. Was the t100 plagued with the common LBJ failures in the first gen tacomas/4runners/tundras? I assumed so but now that i think about it i think all those rigs have coilovers and the toyota t100 still has torsion bars. I have about 30k on my 555s now but im debating on just going OEM for peice of mind
I used Moog tie rod ends on my 3rd gen runner and lasted less than six months. Replaced with Sankei 555 and have been going strong for two years now.
That’s why I kept the 555 Moog parts and returned the others
I purchased OEM Toyota Tie Rods and Ball Joints, let me just go ahead and say $$$$$$ yikes!! But I know it’ll last me another 10 years without having to purchase them again however I probably won’t let it go that long
Somthing else is wrong with your car. Theres nothing wrong with Moog. Been using them for years.
Ive seen plenty of OEM ball joints break. @@mosthated8190
@@mosthated8190 i put the sankei 555 SB3806 lbj from japan in 2018. It looks just like that good moog 555 only without the grease fitting.
it is still going strong without any plays.
Linked your video in my repair video!! Thanks for doing this!!!
Thanks!
Installed a Moog control arm with ball joint 3 years ago and its still going strong. I think people are buying from ebay or amazon etc.
Agreed, also about how you install it as well. That’s great to hear
Have some Moog lower ball joints in my Tundra for 7 years , not had a problem with them.
I mighta missed something, do they have separate part numbers? How do you avoid buying the black one?
Same part numbers. Helps if you’re already at the parts store. I ordered these offline
Great video. I learned that Moog has gone to shit with a lot of their parts months ago. I just bought a pair of lower ball joints for my 1st gen Tacoma 4x4 from Mevotech. Their "X-Factor" series, that uses REAL sintered steel bearings, high quality boots, and heavy duty castings. I haven't installed them yet, so I was able to compare them to the parts in this video. The Mevotech part much more resembles the 555 part in every way: near identical: the casting thickness/shape, the lower stamped steel cover, the rubber boot ( blue in color, & connected with stainless steel rings at both the top & bottom of the boot, it blows away the boot on the cheap part in this video ), a temporary protective cover for the boot that is kept in place by the castle nut during installation, even a grease fitting. It is much better vs the cheap part you're showing in this video, I compared them very carefully. So I am definitely pleased with the Mevotech parts. I ordered them from Rock Auto. They are however manufactured in China and have the black powder coating, but Mevotech has already stated that their inspectors make sure all materials, castings, even manufacturing & assembly is done to their strict spec's. Their X-Factor series of parts carry the logo "overbuilt for durability", and all use the blue rubber boots. Mevotech has a good website, lots of videos showing how their parts are high quality, plus a customer support phone number. Mevotech ( a Canadian company that does their own research & development ) also has a line of these parts that are even heavier duty. I forget the name of the series, but the rubber boots are light green in color. I see individuals and professional mechanics/shops installing & recommending Mevotech X-Factor ( blue rubber boots ) series and their ultra HD series ( green rubber boots ) all over youtube, and most of them are NOT affiliated with Mevotech in any way. Neither am I. Just thought I would share this info.
Thanks you for your review and saving lives in the process.
I might add my current lower ball joints were replaced in 07 on my 05 Tundra OEM parts. That was 150,000 miles ago still tight.
Great video, I had to check which lower ball joints I installed. I actually used AC/Delco brand and it's extremely similar to the one that you prefer other than the machined surfaces, but definitely look to have greater structural integrity plus stouter looking ball joint. Thanks for making our gen3 community aware
Absolutely, hope it helps
I buy the all 4 ball joints to my 3rd gen and it cost me 200$ dollars but three five y fully agree with you the thre five are very heavy.
I know this is a couple of years old now, but that black Moog part is more of an equivalent to the OEM LBJ than the silver part. The OE ball joints never had a grease fitting, so that is irrelevant.
I purchased 2 OEM Toyota LBJ's, dated 2021, for my 1st gen Tacoma (same as a 3rd gen 4runner) directly from the dealership, they look nearly identical to that black Moog ball joint. The only difference I can see is that the cap, that you think looks cheap, is painted black on the Toyota part I have. Same cap though, and physically looks the same as that black Moog ball joint.
Moog contacted me after watching this and told me it was actually their new updated version. That it had slightly better components. I still like the 555 personally but that’s what they relayed
@FreedomCrawler what do you recommend? The 555 or the toyota oem ball joints? I know some oem parts are made by other brands and just add their name and bump up the price. I hear the 555 is the oem manufacturer for the toyota ball joints but I don't know if is the case.
I’m needing to replace some noisy control arms, what brand should I go with?
I always use oem or moog. However depending on the vehicle, there’s alot of good offroad aftermarket control arm companies. Just depends on what vehicle
@@FreedomCrawler I got a gen 3 Tacoma!
I heard Toyota is still making their ball joints with all metal parts and spring - no plastic on the inside. Had this changed?
Good info! Similar to what I’m hearing the the 1st Gen Sequoia groups…going OEM
It’s definitely a common theme with these and the tacos and 4Runners. At the end of the day oem always works
Someone bought a Moog part and then a house brand part, swapped the boxes, and returned the cheaper part in the Moog box. The parts house failed to check the return. Common fraud in retail.
Would make sense if it hadn’t been ordered offline. I’d agree that could have easily happened at a parts store
Moog is garbage
Moog has cheaped out and in fact is selling cheap Chinese junk.
I am going to change my lowers soon. I have the 60MPH death wobble.
I don’t blame you
The boot has no retention wire?
Correct
555 is no OE rebranded factory doesn’t have grease fitting. There is a reason why some have it and some don’t. Factory have a teflon design while 555 is metal on metal that’s why it has the grease zig fitting. 555 also doesn’t have a coating it will rust quick so paint it.
Absolutely correct. Especially on the painting them.
Idk if anyone noticed, but i saw right away that the questionable ball joint doesn't even have a grease fitting. If i ordered these online, I'd be highly upset bc I'd have to go through the return process, order another set, and wait another week. Thanks for the heads up. I'll get mine from Toyota
Exactly the first thing I noticed too
How have the ball joint held up?
Good to go
I put some brand lower ball joint on my car and side already went bad already
Damn that sucks. Which ones?
Tests have shown that OEM bolts with a washer are stronger than the flanged type bolts.
Just an FYI, 555 are not Toyota OEM. I would only use Genuine Toyota OEM on the LBJ.
That’s correct, they just mirror oem the most
Moog has been going down in quality for the past 10 years. I quit using them around 5-6 years ago. REVOLUTION!!
AC Delco reboxes the 555 left lower ball joint for the 1st gen Sequoia.
The Moog upper ball joints for my '94 were way off. I could barely get the knuckle to mate. When I finally did, the CV axle stub bound up solid. Moog Problem Creator ball joints are worthless.
Can hoy sendero a link where i can buy ???
Amazon and any local auto parts store should be able to get them. Let me see if I can find an Amazon link for you
Ive user Moog on a Nissan Frontier.
It was like having my old worn bjs on it still.
also the one has the grease fitting on it and the other does not. Here is what I think. Someone took out the OEM one and put in a china one and returned. it.
Actually I found out the black one is Moogs new part. They actually saw this video and called me! Explained a lot. Posting new videos on this now
The chinese manufactured ball joints pops out in less then a year..watch out !!.
I have had two ball joint failure on the land cruiser prado 90 series on the go. Both were china made, no zerk for greasing and on them. When the inside of the popped out b-joint were checked there was no plastic polymer seats inside either. ..its a terrible experience. The LC 90 series shares the same chassis/suspension as your 3rd gen 4runner.. with a little more beef added here and there. Go for the Sankei 555 (SB3806) non-greasable ones made in Japan. Its silver in colour and needs to be painted before fitting. The balls can be rotated with bare hands when new..feels buttery smooth. Three years now with it and mostly used hard on tough roads..not even a slight play at all yet.
When it comes to suspension and steering I only went OEM on my 2002.I knew when I bought it I’d have it this long. A Texas beauty with around 275,000 I think.
That’s awesome
Did mine in January on my 3rd gen and went OEM from a Toyota dealer
Great choice
Have not ordered Moog parts. I assume you do not have an option to order 555, rebuilt OEM, parts. Is this true? I'm with you, I would never put that black part on my vehicle, the casting is ALL WRONG! Also have a question. I experienced wobble in the front end, thought ball joints were bad. Jacked it up, and noticed the passenger wheel would turn then stick. Thought bad caliper. Removed caliper and still had the problem. hub would turn then stick, I mean almost like a binding. Now it's either the axle, or the transfer case. Any of you guys experienced this before? New one on me. Oh, and put new wheel bearings in last year, so I'm eliminating that, for now. Would like to know what ya think, thanks! One more thing, it's a 2007, gen 4.
what year and model tacoma parts do i look for to do this swap? thanks
Here you go. To swap to Tacoma parts you have to do lower ball joints and outer tie rods together. Here’s the oem info if you want to go that route and the 4x4 tacoma year.
1994 - 2005 Tacoma’s
OEM 1st gen Taco Parts
43330-39815 - RLBJ - Qty 1
43340-39585 - LLBJ - Qty 1
45046-39295 - ROTRE - Qty 1
45047-39175 - LOTRE - Qty 1
Where did you purchase these from? I am about to place an order from a large distributor who orders direct from MOOG. I am curious there is something going on from a distribution standpoint....
Amazon
I’d be very curious to know as well
I put one of those black ones on my Tundra and failure in 3 months. Thanks for your video. I know now what to look for.
Did you really? What failed?
@@FreedomCrawler the ball popped out. I checked the grease in it and it was a thick black texture like plastic almost.
Was there a price difference?
No however after watching this video Moog actually called me. Turns out the black one is the new Moog version. So I’m going to make another video to correct the information
Still the 555 looks like a better product
Can you provide the part numbers of each of those?
They actually both had the same parts numbers. The black one and the 555 one.
@@FreedomCrawler How do they both have the same part numbers? The left and right joints are different.
@@clementc9975 yeah they should be slightly different number usually.
Doh!!! Totally installed 2 of the black ones 😅. Man……
After talking to Moog directly after seeing this video they told me that black ones are actually their new versions. So you have the best latest and greatest installed. Let me know if you have any issues
@@FreedomCrawler ha! Sweet deal! I thought about calling them myself. Mine were a pain to get off. Nightmare… Hopefully they’ll last a lifetime :) I’ll keep ya posted if they don’t.
how are they holding up?@@JRESHOW
@@bhrojas09 they were fine, but I sold the truck…
I believe Moog recalled their ball joints for Tacoma /4 Runner. I believe the black painted one you have is one of them. The other is the Sakei part ( Triple Five) which is the best non factory ball joint.
MOOG actually called me after this video to clarify. The black part is their new version. I’ll make an updated video soon
Ya moog doesn't make parts anymore they take other brands and put them in their boxes they are a repacker I've got alot of ball joints from moog stamped 555 that's because they are repacked Sanki 555 brand ball joints 95 percent of the time your guns get a sanki 555 part in a moog box its kind of funny cause if ur guna buy moog u minus well buy the sanki 555 brand instead cause moog charges more money for their moog brand sankie 555 is a cheaper part brand so save some money and just buy the sanki 555 brand cause ur guna get the same exact part ur just paying more for it with the moog I stay away from moog I only buy it if that's the only option always go with beck arnley cause moog went to shit beck arnley 90 percent of the time ur guna get a oem dealer part in their box for half the price never had any problems with beck arnley
Great video THANKS 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for watching
OEM has no grease zerk 17 mm flange bolts.
You got me dude!!!! Good one. I have had OEM joints last decades, and moogs last a few months. I'm sure they rebuild or get factory seconds or something, but DO NOT USE THEM. There was a company called Pro Forge, and they were good german stuff that lasted. Stick to OEM, or just spend 1500 and get new arms and uni balls.
As soon as I opened that box I knew something was wrong. I’ve had enough vehicles to know a huge red flag when I see one and that was just wrong. Again, it will work in a pinch or for the person who needs a quick fix but that’s not a Japanese OEM replacement. That’s a knockoff 100%. Have a great rest of your weekend!
The cheap black painted one doesn’t even look like it was forged !
Thank you for letting me know people know. That’s why there cheap pieces of shit are sold for $50 looks like the crappy furniture I bought.
Exactly
Can I pet that dog?
Oem does not have zirk fittings. They aren't greaseable.
Only use OEM replacement ball joints. They are designed to work with Toyota suspension. They redesigned for recall.
oem ball joints will break just like any non oem can break. Theres nothing wrong with MOOG ball joints.
You are correct about the piece of China stuff. I replaced some ball joints ...picked the first one I could get....lasted maybe 40,000 maybe.
Don't buy the piece of China stuff.
Sellers need to start marking where the parts are made, it will boost sales.
I agree completely. Some more minor branding and where the parts are made go a long way
@@FreedomCrawler ....it seems like a simple idea. Sure there are companies that make premium top shelf stuff in the states, but there are small parts and pieces made in the USA that people don't know about. These companies and their distributors should not be their own worst enemies.
Moog is the best! Unless some knucklehead switched it and returned it to the parts store.
Moog is great. I talked to them and they explained the black part was actually their new replacement part
It seems that Moog used to have good quality parts that matched OEM quality that was made either in the USA or Japan. From my experience recently, Moog is trying to increase profit margins by taking ALL manufacturing to China (unlike what they were doing before) probably because Federal-Mogul got greedy. If you order 2 of the exact same parts and they probably will ship from different fulfillment centers you most likely are going to receive an old stock USA or Japanese made part and or a new Chinese inferior part like in this video. It's sad to see a company like this that has and can produce good quality parts replace everything with this cheap bullshit that's garbage. Buy all the old stock while you still can and return all the new crap before going to the dealership and going broke.
They said they are using higher quality parts now vs before. That’s what their engineers told me at least
I have the 555 made-in-japan ones on my truck. If I would have got those black ones I would never put them on in the first place they look like s***. I hope the other ones aren't bad they looked exactly like OEM
That’s what I was thinking too. After talking to Moog they said that the black one was their updated and upgraded part but I feel like the 555 part is better. That could just be my perception though
555 is made by Sankei Japan.
Wow ROTTWEILER))) 👌
Love those pups.
I see this video was made two years ago. 3 years ago tenneco which bought moog around 2008 was still making them but two years ago sold to Apollo Global Managemet, 5th ave. NYC. Pretty sure they gutted company and moved to china at that time. Makes sense. Might look up tough country out of utah, they say their parts are still made in USA.
Yup. Looks like somebody returned a knock-off part in a Moog box.
I prefer JAPANESE parts to USA parts for Japanese cars
Agreed
Someone did the old swap-a-roo
Allegedly made in Japan?
Bottom line stay away from aftermarket LBJ. Go with OEM.
The 555 worked great for me but you can’t go wrong with oem
@@FreedomCrawler I survived 2 LBJ failure due to using aftermarket LBJs from Autozone and O'Reilly. Never again will I go aftermarket.
I can imagine. When I saw the quality of those basic ones they looked like shit
Exactly, its the lower ball joint. You DON'T want to go cheap on that.
Only thing is oem is 250$ each
oem ball joints are the ones are causing problems on tundras why install the problem again
Call me crazy but those black ones look just like OEM units; indeed, I cannot tell the difference. You indicated down below that Moog informed you that the black ones are their upgraded ones, unless I misunderstood what you meant. Maybe Moog is using the same jobber as Toyota now? It sure looks that way.
Correct. The black ones are the upgraded new versions they told me. It’s very well possible that they are using the same supplier as factory now.
What you didn't cover is that fake motor parts have been about for years. Many are made in Turkey and fake branded with well known brands. This is right across all parts, every manufacturer has this problem. Tons of fake NGK spark plugs out there etc.
Send the item to Moog and ask them to verify it.
Great point
I think your Chinese part was put in the instead of the moog product. I think to be on the safe side. OE is the way to go.
Agreed. Can’t go wrong with oem for sure.
Seen that before and seen them throw used stuff back on the shelf.
That’s a sweet looking rottie
Thank you! He’s going strong
The black ball joint is NOT Moog !!!! Have done suspension work for over 40 years and have never had a Moog failure! Your feelings are not appropriate for comparing.
It actually is. Moog saw this video and called me. I spent an hour discussing with their engineers and sales team in regards to it. Going to make a follow on video. Moog is a great product, pretty sure I expressed that as well
The contract always goes to the lowest bidder. The Japanese made part cost $100 to make. The Chinese made part cost $5 to make. The seller should have caught this difference before they shipped them. Shady crap going on here.
The LBJ is just a bad design on toyota's part - you have to use the best one available because anything of lesser quality will wear out faster due to the design.
Is Moog owned by a Chinese company 🤔
NEVER use anything but OEM parts on your Toyota. You'll be grateful you don't. Especially critical safety parts.
I didn't know Mike Perry from UFC liked 4runners haha jkjk.
I was reading that Moog is now getting their materials from 3rd world countries and that why they products now suck.
I had to google who that was and that’s pretty funny.
I agree, you really have to watch out for what you get with them right now
Theres nothing wrong with Moog. All ball joints can break. OEM and non OEM.
It’s pronounced mogue like vogue
I prefer hippopotamus
Moog gas greatly declined in quality over the years. Doesn't matter what it is. They used to be great
They are really putting in an effort to change that. Even reached out to me after the video
Moog went downhill
Actually I thought so too except they reached out to me after seeing this video. Like literally put me on a conference call with their high tier engineers to clarify things. I was beyond impressed. Going to make a follow on video of our conversation
@@FreedomCrawler ask them to get their act togther please....as bad as mevotech at the moment. Delphi seems to still be ok.
@@FreedomCrawler qhe they dropped the warranty from 2 or 3 years to 6 months...the decline started. They should have a super premium line that is not made of cheap metals, garbage,etc
DUDE! I’ve been having the same issue with cheap made in CHINA parts!
My 98 Chevy S10 - ENGINE FAN PLATE!
I’ve REPLACED 3 times, Because of a squeaky bearing! & the casting wasn’t right on one & the bolt holes didn’t even like up, I had to buy a left over oem from a dealership for twice the money and it’s non returnable! &,,, guess what-- it still squeaks. I’m beside myself with the cheap Chinese crap! I even called Napa / oRiellys & GATES* corporate office on the matter. AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND START MANUFACTURING IN THE USA!
Bruuh... it’s a 4 runner just use some chopsticks & duct tape
Lol it will keep running so long as I turn the key. I agree
Dude I disagree with you moog makes somgeeat parts better than favorites part you haven't even tried them ur going in what some one told I am betting it was some one from Toyota so would but they're parts hummmmm
They do and I really like their parts. I mentioned that a few times. Actually talked to MOOG engineers after making this video too
Get to the point tho
Yeah no kidding right?
Both are garbage honestly. Neither look like OEM parts.
I tossed the 555 ones in with no issue. Definitely recommend stock if it’s around though
That’s so cheap Chinese painting
I know right!
Dude these are fake put into a Moog box.
Moog actually reached out and told me that it’s their upgraded new version.
@@FreedomCrawler God damn.. guess I'll stick with OEM. I really wanted some with the grease fitting..
Plastic parts inside ..