Joe Dumars: Larry Bird was a savant when he was in the NBA
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Dumars is a real gentleman, many kids these days really think Bird isnt top 10 ever, they have no idea how great he was smh
All time gentleman team dumars Nash Thompson Erving Duncan
Was just in a different comments section and a youngun was arguing that Kawhi would have "locked Larry up" 😅 🤣 yeah because Coop was a scrub of a defender right? 🤔
Or Joe D for that matter.
@Kevin Michael my thoughts precisely.
@Kevin Michael kawhi is good but not invincible. He guarded WB in 2016 but okc still won
Bird was in rarefied air. Hes in my top 6. Today's young fans are brain dead when it comes to talent from the past.
Joe Dumars was, and is a real class act, and was an excellent player. There was a moment of a few years during the Bad Boys prime- IMO, he was one of the two best 2-guards in the league, at times better than Jordan, especially in the playoffs. He was voted Finals MVP in 1989. He was by far my favorite player on the Pistons; he didn't play dirty, and was one of the most skilled players in that squad. Jordan has stated on record that Dumars was his toughest defender.
Magic even mentioned him as one of the toughest to guard him
I like Duane’s and he was very very good. But your comment about him being better at times than Jordan, especially, in the playoffs is ludicrous.
Dumars.
I read Jerry West called him the Pistons best player. I don't disagree.
@@kenneths.perlman1112 What, you think MJ was Superman, the absolute best player every single game, every single season? Why, just because he can score a bunch of points most of time? I have watched MJ from his rookie year to the very end, and especially in his first few years, there were many games he was outplayed. And one of those players that did was Dumars. There were games when Reggie Miller would just cream MJ.
Bird, Magic, and Jordan, all in my all-time starting 5, were not infallible. They all had moments when they lost games and at times, they were outplayed by someone else. And those that did belonged to a small club, and Dumars was in that club
As a Celtics fan I always exempted Joe Dumars from my Piston hatred. Great player who doesn't get nearly enough respect and credit.
Agreed. I think even Johnny Most liked him.
@@MikeJones-rk1un Let's not get carried away. LOL
Being a C's fan,I was more concerned with how Dumars could beat them then any other player
Dumars and Vinnie Johnson aren't mentioned enough. When the Bad Boys were out of sinc and need a spark Vinnie would come in and light it up and get them back in the game. The Microwave was so important to the Pistons and he should be given more credit than he does. As a Celtics Fan I always knew Vinnie would come in and change the game. Great mid range shooter.
@@kurtsherrick2066 Those 2 n Andrew Toney (The Boston Strangler) We're scary
"no grudges. Life is good" amen to that
And Joe Dumars is modest but he was one of the best guards ever. Great ball handling, great shooting, great defense, great heart and a calm head. On top of it he was modest and humble. His handling was devoid of blings, simple/minimalist and complete control. Pleasure to watch.
I always felt like Joe Dumars was one of the classiest guys to ever play for the pistons.
Ralph, joe epitomizes class, but for the pistons? The janitor had more class than most of them!
Perhaps the only one!😂
Yup. Every time I saw him play it was hard and clean. The others, not so much.
@@scottrackley4457Vinnie Johnson was a good, clean player, too.
@@Amick44 lol, the microwave was just coming in to shoot the ball, and he did.
Great player that went out there night after night and gave it his all. You can't not like Joe Dumars.
HOF all the way. None finer on and off the court.
ONLY DETROIT PLAYER I DEEPLY RESPECTED…A CLASS ACT…DR.BRYANT LANE.
Joe Dumars is awesome.
So awesome that MJ in 1991 swept him without an all star 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
Class and excellence all the way.
Joe Dumars is the kind of guy everyone liked, and I’ve never heard him say a bad word about anyone.
He was a great player on both ends of the court, and let his game do the talking. Without him, they don’t win those championships.
Heck of a player. As that Pistons team emerged and broke through I really felt like Dumars had the whole package and at least against the Celtics I felt he was more of a problem than Isiah. I mean his defense, his shooting, his finishing his drives, his selflessness. Just a player an excellent, excellent player. Probably the most likable guy on that team honestly (for a Celtics fan).
I'm from Maine and loved the C,s but joe gave them fits!
I so enjoyed Dumars play. He was the quintessential professional. A great player and a better man. Every team needs a Dumars. (It doesn’t hurt your reputation when you speak so well about our hero, the Legend. Note all of the positive comments he will get from all us Bird fans!)
RESPECT TO JOE DUMARS! FROM A BIG CELTICS FAN SINCE THE LATE 70s! BIRD IS THE WORD! FROM LOUDOUN COUNTY VIRGINIA! ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
The end reminds me of why I always liked Joe Dumars. He was a class act. I "hated" the Pistons in the 80's because I was a Larry Bird fan (lived in Indiana for over 25 years), but I always liked and respected Joe Dumars.
Joe D is a class act to this day! I’m from Seattle so I loved that he mentioned Gus “The Wizard” Williams! Gus was an amazing point guard! Bring back our Sonics!
I always admired Joe Dumars… He was a very solid player, very reliable, even tempered, smart and talented, of course! Nice to see you, Joe!
So smart that MJ swept him in 1991 without an all star so easily without even trying 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣
@@AIH483 He swept an injured, depleted Pistons. SO impressive. The only time Jordan COULD beat the Pistons 😂😂😂😂😂
@@dallinferguson994 Excuses excuses excuses 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Even better in the playoffs
@@mariopantoja8259 MJ swept him in 1991 without an all star 😆😆😆
Dumars was such a great player, superb defender, and seems to be a good person. My all time defensive 2 guard.
Love Joe. Great player and class act.
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Joe Dumars does not get enough credit, 2 x Nba champ, Finals MVP. Jordan said he defended him the best. Joe was always a class act
Joe Dumars: CLASS ACT !
Dumars was an extremely good player.
Got swept by MJ in 1991 without an all star 🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆
Old school all day & all night, and Joe D is a class act pure & simple. 💪👍
Joe D was always the class act of the Pistons....great great player and human being...yeah, at the end, the bit about no grudges, that's it, he stayed out of the fights with the bulls and celitc, he just played...well, very well, and never dirty, or sneaky.
Joe Dumars, Joey Dee., is in the HOF because of his outstanding play on both sides of the ball. The NBA sportsmanship award is called the "Dumars" award because Joe Dumars is a find human being and a class act.
Old showtime lakers fan. Hated the 80s pistons but i just couldn't hate on Dumars. Same with DJ with the celtics. Both total pros and impeccable sportsmanship
Joe Dumars was one of smartest players ever to play in the NBA. He was the best on Detroit IMO and loved watching him play. If he says Bird was a savant, you can believe he was a genius and the GOAT.
Cool calm fighter. Tough in the inside with mature way.
He was a Bad Boy....Then he played until he was grey effectively....Then he put together a Championship team as a General Manager.....Best Piston of all time!
Larry Bird could be you mentally, his basketball IQ was incredible.
I guess there will never be another Savant
@@katastrafika5253 For me one guy who came into the league in 1993 had a high IQ of the game but sadly injuries got him by his 5th season. Penny Hardaway. I still watch some of his highlights and am like wow the young kids today may never know how much of an impact Penny had already as a rookie and could of been. A mix of Magic and Michael to many but just a great passer, scorer from all spots, post up game. As a Knicks fan and big time Ewing fan watching that early 90's Magic were something that could of been. Oh had to add Grant Hill as well. Two players that were special to me at least to watch but sadly injuries got them both too soon.
That is the best explanation of Bird I’ve seen to date. Watching him play was like watching someone put on a clinic. I know there is a huge GOAT debate, with a ton of people who think Leflop is the goat. I think if you look at it from a players prime, Bird is the GOAT.
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I like to have conversations on this subject, i.e. the true greatest 1% best players, with adults who have a strong memore and knowledge of the game's history and esp. the best players. But again, they have to be actual adults, as in mature, reasonable people. Not someone so immature and petty as to speak of someone like James such a trite, asinine name like that. Grow the hell up.
Magic, MJ, Kareem, Bird are basketball's Mt. Rushmore.
Larry needed about 3 more prime years and another title to be in the real conversion the GOAT. He is top 10 for sure
Bird was the greatest all-around player of all time. He had the most complete package. There were guys who scored more and were more dominant than Larry Bird, but they didn't have the tool kit to beat you however they felt like it.
I think it was Charles Barkley that one joke that the reason Larry Bird was not very athletic and not a great jumper was because God wanted the other players to actually have a chance.😂
Love that he has a photo of Gus Williams in his office. Gus Williams was a bad dude! He and the late great Dennis Johnson were the starting backcourt for the Seattle Supersonics when they won the championship in '79. Great squad coached by Lenny Wilkins.
I know I am maybe a little too old school, but I think playing college basketball for four years, under a great coach, at a top level program, allowed NBA players of the past to become savants of the game. It shaped the minds of the players in a way that we don't see enough of today. The NBA is simply looking for one and done, or none and done future talent and let's be honest, 19 year olds have juvenile brains that are grossly under developed. College basketball should be competitive and players should be getting a degree not just in an academic realm, but also a degree in basketball. 4 years of nuanced passing, moving without the ball, defensive foot work, screening, all the things an NBA rookie should already know how to do. But, that's often not what happens.
Dumars went to McNeese State (a small school), Isiah Thomas came out after his sophomore year (won the NCAA tournament beating UNC with James Worthy and Sam Perkins), Magic also came out after his sophomore year (also won the NCAA tournament). Bird played 3 years at Indiana State (small school, started at Indiana but transferred)
Agree 100%. Although today's players are extremely athletic and have skills (and are helped by rule changes), the game itself has become street ball.
The guy on the Bad Boys they don't talk about much was the Microwave Vinnie Johnson. When they struggled Vinnie came in and would score like 10 straight and get them back in the game. Very important player for the Pistons.
Yes, called the microwave because he heated up quickly, fun fact: he banged pornographic actress Nina Hartley
Joe D was pure class act his entire career.
Joe Dumars was always a class act and an excellent player! And shout out to Gus Williams! I was also a fan of Gus Williams back in the day when I was growing up!
Gus Williams, man. He was special, to watch him play at the Seattle Coliseum with the Sonics made for great basketball memories. Good choice, Joe!
"Downtown" Freddie Brown. Don't hear of him at all?
@@noelharris5488 Downtown Freddie Brown was probably the best long range shooter in the game back then, certainly the best I ever watched play. It’s shameful he’s not in the HOF.
First Joe Dumars interview I have watched. Very good. Thanks for posting.
Loved Joe and John spider Sally! And I’m a bulls fans- those dudes aren’t just legends but 100% class.
Joe was the only guard I’ve seen that could consistently shut MJ down. One of the most underrated guards ever.
He didn't shut him down. But he helped hold him within reason and 20 back on em.
You obviously never saw Reggie Lewis guarding Jordan, Jordan himself said he was the most difficult defender because of his body positioning, Reggie Lewis is the only player to ever block Michael Jordan's shot 4 times in a game, RIP Reggie Lewis,,,,,, 😢
Wish Joe would do his own show. He is one cool cat with tons of great stories!
Joe seems like a good dude with balanced perspective on life
Was a Sixes fan, Joe Dumas was feared every time he touched the ball.
Joe is a good man kinda reminds me of Dr J in his mannerisms outstanding human beings
Kudos to Joe. I loved watching Gus play in Key Arena.
Dumars was such a great player. As dirty as those pistons were, he was always classy. One of my all time favorites.
Love Joe...a Larry Legend is the GOAT fsn
The Wizard, Gus Williams, Warriors and Sonics, man was a stud guard
And this is why the NBA Sportsmanship Award is called the Joe Dumars Trophy
Joe Dumars is a class act.
who wouldnt get along with joe dumars what a nice guy
Joe D epitomized class and professionalism when he played. The definition of professional athlete should include his picture.
Gus Williams - awesome player!
1 ring only, 1 Finals loss, 0 MVP, 0 FMVP, never led the league in scoring and steals, no DPOY, no All Defensive First Team, MJ is way way way way better, and it's not even little bit close, not even 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% close 😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AIH483 ...
You must be from these recent two generations...the ones that started with the yuppies quantifying everything as valuable from business cards to dinner reservations.
In sports, your adolescent peer-pressure mentality of how much you're liked or how many brightly-colored marbles you have doesn't define the value of a thing.
"Downtown" Freddie Brown played alongside of him on that Seattle Supersonics team with Jack Sikma, and they won a title that year...to you, that quantifies as champions.
I'll guess you don't even know who those last two names are either because they don't quantify to qualify as valuable.
Joe Dumars was one of my favorite NBA players.
I loved Gus Williams and the sonics😎
He played during the peak Piston years, had a couple rings with the Pistons when MJ, Larry, and Magic were getting theirs, to put it into perspective.
Dumars was the only class on the Piston's team
What about Sally?
@@grog3514 showtime fan. Gotta say you're right
@@grog3514 or Adrian Dantley. Or Vinnie Johnson…
Facts
Accurate
Joe Dumars has always been a class act. And what a tremendous player he was.
Nice video. As a pistons fan, got to watch Dumars when i started watching basketball when the Bad Boys started to dissiminate after they win back to back titles when most of them were still there like Isaiah, lambier, Spider Sally and Rodman. But, they didn't have the Microwave anymore. Then Mcquire soon left. Later when they were all gone except for Dumars, I got to watch Dumars in the Palace during the Grant Hill iteraction.
Mr Dumars, you were awesome as well....but yeah, Bird and the Celtics in his prime were GREAT!!!! Larry Bird is my all time favorite player....not saying he was the best of all time but he was my GOAT.....loved him and the Celtics
Louisiana's Joe Dumars and Andrew Toney and Karl Malone are so underrated, but Bill Russel was from Louisiana also. So were Mikan and Shaq (both LSU).
This conversation was about the Celtics and Pistons, a rivalry that was one of the most epic in NBA history. Just HOW did Dan Patrick manage to sneak Jordan in the conversation?
Because MJ is by far the best all around player ever, the greatest of all time, the most accomplished basketball player of all time, he did so many things in just 13 seasons and played all 82 regular season games 10 times 😱😱😱😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯🤯
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Hahahahahaha! You take away all of Kareem's points, he's STILL a Hall of Famer. You take away all of Wilt's points, he's still a Hall of Famer. You take away all of LeBron's points, he's still a Hall of Famer. You take away HALF of Jordan's points and he is not even an Allstar. That should give you some perspective. He "accomplished" a lot? Hahahaha! Jordan played FIVE seasons without Pippen. He NEVER ONCE had a .500 season those five years. He played 10 playoff games without Pippen and lost NINE. He has a losing season EVERY year. Heck, even if you add in the great Dynasty years in the expansion 90s, Jordan's CAREER record without Pippen is sub .500. The difference between Jordan and Kevin Durant is that Durant has twice the skill of Jordan. This is HILARIOUS hearing people like you talk about this dude.
Great player, especially on defense. Loved watching him shut down Jordan
Celtics fan here....
You could battle them all game. But when it came down to it. Dumars was a killer.
Mad props to you Joe.
Joe Dumas is one of my favourite players ever
Joe Dumars was one of my favorite players when I was a kid. Seems like a really good guy too.
thank you Joe Dumars!
I saw Joe in the Detroit airport toward the ending of his career. I walked up and shook his hand and introduced him to my daughter who was about 5. He was a complete gentleman. I also loved Joe. Also was very surprised when I walked to him and we looked eye to eye. I'm 6'5. On the court he looked so little lol. Always loved how much of a gentleman he was and is.
Gus Williams, Seattle Supersonics guard. NBA Finals champs in the late 70s.
The Wizard!
Great find! Rare story from Dumars.
Very underrated his defense was outstanding and good shooter as well
Bird was in the same mold of player like Lebron and Jokic and Doncic - their basketball IQ was off the charts and so were their skill-level, athleticism and the will to win. Casual fans pay too much attention to athleticism and skills and don't value enough the will to win and IQ. It's rare for players to have ALL of that as a package, maybe 1-2 players per generation and they all end up in HOF
Joe D is a guy that many men say “he is my best friend”.
This Celtics fan always knew Joe was a class act. I wish you well!
Brilliant insight by Joe Dumars about Larry Bird..."He was two plays ahead on everything." Hence nickname "Kodak".
Joe is PURE CLASS, AWESOMEBASKETBALL PLAYER, WINNER !!!
Enjoyed learning Dumars is a class guy.
As a dyed-in-the-wool Celtics fan, I always thought that there were a few guys on rival teams that would have been great Celts. Dumars, Doc Rivers and Maurice Cheeks are at the top of that list. Quality guys, smart players, no nonsense. Doc proved me right when he coached the Celts and hung that banner.
in my all time fantasy draft i’m
picking Bird #1. besides ability to score anytime, rebound, pass, play team defense with anyone, he was far and away the best at making his team better. Celtics before Bird showed up won 29 games. Bird shows up and the team then wins 61 games. MJ individually is amazing, but Bulls when MJ went to play baseball were one bad call from ECF in ‘94 and probably beat Pacers and go to Finals without him. Celtics without Bird were nothing.
He could dominate a game without the ball. He could dominate a game with rebounding, assists, steals and shooting. He didn't need to have the ball in his hands 48 minutes to effect the game, as Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Drexler did. I think it was Worthy who said "when Bird didn't have the ball in his hands was when he was most dangerous. He'd make you look stupid."
@@Colstonewall 100%. might have been Worthy or Cooper i forget….but yes he had amazing stats against overall small touches of the ball.
Give me Larry Bird and Bill Russell and then you can pick your five guys before I pick my next three and I'll win at least 8
out of every 10 seven game series. I always tell people that.
@@steverenom.299 love it!
@@dougnewman3935 I always end up with Oscar Robertson and Jerry West as my guards too. Lol.
The only "bad boy" that wasn't a jerk
Outstanding player
First class guy... Thank you Joe
Joe D. Class act, all the way.
Joe has put on some weight, damn!😳
But indeed classy guy, never a Bad Boy really, will always remember that in the air behind the back bouncer to Dennis.😎
Great vid !
I think the stealing of the inbound pass was perhaps one of the greatest moments in basketball history.
And Bird wasn't even going for the steal He was going to foul Lame-beer buuut
Definitely. I was watching it live.
Wow! Joe was a terrific ballplayer!
Dumars is/was always class.
I saw Gus and Ray Williams both play in high school for Mount Vernon. My high school upset them in the regular season but lost to them in the playoffs in 1971.
Joey Dumars was every bit as good as all those greats.
Everyone in these comments keeps writing that Joe Dumars was a good player, etc. Whoa! The guys was a 6 time All Star, 2 time NBA Champion and NBA Hall of Fame. I think that puts him in the great category.
Joe Dumars always kept a low-key attitude when he played. He never said much and just did his job.
Dumars amazed me when he was in his prime...I don't think he ever missed a shot.
Gus Williams the Wizard! If you wanted instant offense you gave the ball to Gus Williams.
Joe was the nice guy, played the game the right way.
Joe was soooo underrated
No, not a savant. A genius. Big difference, he KNEW why he was so good
Joe D was one of the most under-the-radar Pistons. He was a workhorse of a player.
Joe D gave the Pistons class!
Dumars was one of the best Pistons. He and Salley were my favorite Pistons. I wasn't a Pistons fan either.
Gus “the wiz” Williams, was a magician.
We've always known Joe Dumars was a class act.
Would love to see a Thomas n Dumars alongside Bird n Mchale rewatch clutch minutes and give a mental breakdown.