How Bad is the New BMW 2 Series?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2023
- This is the cheapest BMW available today and there's a brand new model. This is the new BMW 2 Series and I check out how bad this 230i is. We'll go through a full car review, talk about the history of the BMW engines, and I'll show you what kind of quality you get with this BMW.
The BMW 2 series is quite a compact vehicle, but things seem pretty well put together. However, there are a few issues that I'll show you that you might not like or might run into.
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Another "boomer" moment here but - it has actual physical buttons on the dash and an honest-to-goodness hand emergency brake. Shut up and take my money, BMW!
Haha, nice yes that’s the older school controls which really is the best
Loved the show. I still own a 2017 bmw m240 and drive 10k per year. I change the oil twice a year, change the coolant every 2 or 3 years and keep it half full always. No issues whatsoever great car
Great point! And that’s the thing a little maintenance goes a long way.
Same car, same year, no problems. A question though, mine came with a four year service package and they only replaced the oil once a year because it's synthetic, do you change the oil twice a year just to be extra cautious?
Same with me. Maintain it and it’s perfect.
This is the old BMW 2 series, the good looking one.
Exactly
Good looking if you’re an old head. These are ugly as shit to anyone under 30
I’ve owned my 2015 M235i for the last 8 years. 61k miles with zero issues. I did replace the coolant expansion hose at 45k (preventative maintenance) because these hoses will crack. I’ll replace the oil filter housing gaskets at 65k. I also replaced the stock plastic charge pipe with an aftermarket aluminum one for added reliability.
Sounds good and those cars are a lot of fun. It does sound like parts replacement t time though once you get near the 60000 mile range
I'm at 90k on my m235i. Take it on road trips no problems. Great car and I feel lucky to have one with a manual transmission.
I always get new hose whenever I can
Great review
Bravo
Thanks a lot for watching Craig.
Yes paddle floppies lolol Excellent content, Great video as Always!!
Haha, thanks so much. Cheers
Would you recommend purchasing a 2018-2019 740i xDrive or same year Audi s8? Which is more reliable or better overall car?
*ECPP:* "Hey man can I review your 2 series?"
*BMW Owner:* "Sure man"
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*BMW Owner watching this video:* 👁👄👁
Love the channel
Thank you very much. It seems like not a ton of people do unfortunately
@@ECPP I love your channel, sorry I haven't been around to post
i have a late 2016 n20 in my 228i. I read they revised the timing chain and dealt with the issues. At 82 000 km so far so good
Nice….thanks for sharing
I have a f20 b48, same chasis as f22, nice car, currently runing stg2 + meth custom tune and its a blast. Pretty reliable platform.
Awesome. Closed deck does help
I have a 2020 230l convertible with the rare M package. The only major repair was the right rear blinker/tail light malfunctioned while under warranty. That part alone was $600. Also sometimes the driver side mirror tilts down after going from reverse then into drive. BMW dealer couldn’t troubleshoot the problem. Crazy fun to drive.
Yea sometimes those chronic issues seem to form as a mole on the life of a car that stays forever
Blinker is a classic issue.
Had a 1.8 turbo, mini. Ran great till about 50k miles, and then the frequent oil changes started to happen, time chain issues, carbon build up, etc. God rid of it before spending more, repairs were never cheap.
Great video
I’m looking to buy a 6 series, can you recommend the best year/model/engine for reliability & longevity?
TIA!!
Any 2011 and newer 640i. Avoid the v8s and cars over 80k miles.
@@jw6188yep i believe you’re right but I think you meant to say 2012 and up
Out of the curiosity, are the M2 or M3 with a Manual transmission any good?
Can someone on here please tell me if i should buy a 230i xdrive or not. I have a friend who sold his 3 series bmw due to lots of problmes and 1 that was going to be a 10k fix, it was a 2017 or 2018 i think. Would this 230i be a reliable car long term given the fact i keep my cars for 8 to 10 years. Or play it safe and buy a camry?
I would like to know whether the steering is similar to the 3 series (same year)in terms of feel and how heavy it is please, or is it lighter, 3 series has heavy steering?
I own a 2017 240i and it has adaptive suspension. The steering is light in comfort mode (maybe too light with a little soft spot in the middle) and firms up in sport mode. In sport it is too heavy for a parking lot but better than comfort at high speeds.
The 2014 series 2 coupé is a good car??
I’m not going to lie I wanted a 2 series & have been driving around every everyday in a bmw 1 series 2012 se manual model for last 8 years got it with 20k on the clock now has 50k on the clock has had a few issues along the way a coil spring went once and last winter 🥶 the epc unit went and wouldn’t start from Cold however ran as normal when warmed up hopefully we will get through this winter season ( I think 🤔 I will go for a new generation 1 / 2 series next time around just saying lol 😊
Nice. Hopefully the next one is a little more reliable and fun
The Irony.. they teamed up with Toyota to make the Supra and suddenly reliability is right behind toyota/lexus in the rankings.. the power of ZEN..great video as always Mark!!
Happened before Toyota ever came into the picture lol! B58 engine in Supra came out 5 years earlier!!😄
@@germanengineering204 Yes Sir iam aware that the engine came out in 2015 while the Supra came out in 2019.the reason I said the power of Zen is bc toyota is the master when it comes to refinement..Bmw reliability in 2016 out of the 30 major manufacturers was 14th ..in 2018 it was 8th.. now it's 3. I never took anything away from them bc I'm a huge fan of BMW for over 30 years.. they are heading in a good direction and Toyota did play a part in that.. Its much easier to take a good engine and make it even better rather than develop a new one and spend billions on research n development..its a win/win for us..the consumer.. cheers 🥂
@@motorcycleartist the rumor is that Toyota took a couple of new b58s and tested them and worked with BMW before it went into the supra, so it definitely is teamwork and a win win.
I own a 2023 230i, have to say I love this car, I have the rear wheel drive b48 variant and it is quick, and nimble, a blast to drive, rated at 255 HP and 295 LBS of toque, but BMW is notice for rating HP low. A lot of people dynoing these and getting 270 HP. Comfortable cock pit with good amenities but not overboard by any means, Pricing is fair and would highly recommend this car for people who want a low cost entry level sports car that is fun to drive, gets great mileage and is comfortable.
Looking at a 2014 228i here in Virginia USA. This channel is legit. I have an 83 supra that runs like a top but i dont want to drive everyday. Any thoughts on the 2014 228i??? Any thoughts would be helpful.
i was looking into those as well. asked on a few forums. they said to stay away. the n20 motor in those early cars are problematic and tend to eat timing chains and then blow up. the reliable motors are in anything past 2017. they'll all be marked as 230.
wrong engine.
Can I ask what years you recommended to buy and which to stay away from?
Probably stay away from earliear year models and focus more on 2017+ model years
I love the 2 series. BMW did this one right.
Yes indeed
Have both a 335i N54 and an M240i B58, night and day.
Purchased a 2007 335i E93 6mt as a CPO in 2011 with 35k. Here's my list, radio head unit under warranty, rebuilt dsc/abs motor, filter housing gaskets, water pump, serpentine belt, pulley and tensioner fouled by oil leaks, vanos solenoids, and hpfp. Carbon walnut blasting at 75k. Need to do valve cover and oil pan gaskets and rear main seal. AT205 is keeping leaks under control for now. Oh, and two rear cracked rims, warranty refused. At 125k, compression is over 190psi in all cylinders, and oil analysis is good.
Purchased 2018 M240i F23 8sp auto in 2021 with 22k. So far, parking brake cable bracket under warranty, glad that I have one!! That's it. Now at 45k, time will tell.
I love driving both cars, however they completely different. 335i is heavy but corners like its on rails, M240 is light and agile. Both are stock.
Thanks a lot for the comparison and my experience with the n54 in my E92 was similar plus wastegate rattle, T-stat and a variety of leaking coolant hoses on the plastic ends, an O3 sensor and lord knows theirs probably more
@ECPP The dsc was intriguing, I got it rebuilt by module master for $250 + shipping, 5 year warranty. A new one from BMW was $2500 + coding, 1 year warranty. I got the abs trifecta when it failed.
I bought mine brand new back in 2014. Mileage now is at 144K. No issues, but the fuel pump.
Sounds like a win
I had a Z4 35is m sport. Only issue was the fuel pump.
nice. But didn't they come out with the new, less attractive, more angular design for the newest 2-series coupe? It has 255 hp and 295 ft-lb of torque.
Yea on the gran coupe only and FWD
Own 1999 328i love it run it until the wheels fall out around 165,000 yes I did had some tiny oil leaks but that was around 100,000 miles. I miss the old inline 6 but Im planning to purchase a 2 series.
According to the traditions configuration should be 220 I for the 2 liter engine
Nice
What do you think about a used reliability of 2020 330i xdrive with B48 engine which has 13k miles on it for 37kUSD fully loaded? Or should I get the new 2023 330i xdrive?
Honestly for that price I would personally gone unless they tacked on some extended warranty
The 2 series BMW is basically, an entry level BMW. If that Black 230i was built and designed at the same level as my 2016 M6, noone would buy the more expensive BMW's. For the price point, I feel you are still getting a very nice vehicle with many of the quality designs and looks, inside and out. And, again, the engine and drivetrain are, for the most part, only as good as you treat it. If people drove Toyotas like many drive BMW M series cars, you would probably see many highways littered with broken down Toyotas. And vise versa, you would probably see a lot less BMW's in the shop. I had to laugh my ass off when I found out that Toyota doesnt even have the cahoona's to put their own engine in their Supra (they put a BMW engine in there instead). The only time my M6 has ever been in the shop is for scheduled maintenance and oil changes and my BMW dealership is always more than happy to price match any other place as long as the level of service is the same.
BTW, I baby my BMW and drive it better than most would.
As always, especially as of late, I find your videos very informative, fair and fun to watch.
Nice
This isn't the new 2 series... It's an older version. The new design is notably different to this.
Agreed
this guy really explains well haha
Thanks
G20 330i from 06.06.2020 - Turbo failure at 22507 miles :D
A little rough on the interior, still Love my 228i.!!!.
I am not quite sold on buying a BMW. If I do, I will buy one with the B58 engine only.
Yes
It amazes me how the country with some of the finest engineers in the world can produce so many problematic cars. Unless a person want an M series BMW or a Hammer series Mercedes I can't understand why they wouldnt just buy a Lexus.
That’s fair. For the hardcore performance the M versions or the AMG Benz or RS Audi is the way. Everyday wagons, well, go with what works and does not break the bank
Lexus looks pretty bland that's why I've never been into bmw or Lexus but Lexus looks bland bmw has a slightly better looking logo
Very few have problems before 100, -(to maybe)120,000 km. Basically the/these cars should be recycled after that!
The least carmakers are concerned about are the nature and use of natural resources.
Few Lexus cars are truly exciting whereas a normal, non-M BMW can be alluring. I've owned my E63 6 Series coupé for 13 years and it keeps being a fun to drive machine. Sound, cornering prowess, gearbox, driving position ... everything is spot on. I'm not a BMW fan as I've owned 10 cars from nine different brands, but that's my experience with BMW.
@@leiflillandt1488 I guess as a buy & replace in 4-6 yrs it would be fine then but in that amount of time the resale is pretty low so in the end more expensive to own than a Lexus
What do you think of the new 2024 X5 50e? worthy buying it?
Beautiful vehicle but I would go 40 series instead for more durability and almost as fun drive
@@ECPP Excellent call! B58/ZF8 combo!
That hand though...
Everyone needs a little BMW to rip around in.
Fornsure or a Porsche
I've heard one of the main reasons for BMW's sudden improvement in reliability is their partnership with Toyota in the Z4/Supra projects - Toyota simple wouldn't accept BMW's products as they were and pretty much demanded BMW step up their quality to meet Toyota's standards. Kind of makes sense when you realize just when it was BMW's reliability started to improve.
One would think that could have helped but the B58 was already used well in advance of the collaboration with Toyota.
BMW: we got two major drivetrains that are ULTRA reliable.
Toyota: 🤣🤣🤣
Haha
That's not the new 2 series 😃But seriously my 2009 Z4 30i has cost me only oil changes brakes pads and new tyres in the 4 years I've owned it. The car is now 14 years old and totally reliable more so than my 2017 Golf! The new drivetrains in all formats from BMW are pretty bullet proof!
I would agree but the V8s are still a bit risky
After watching this video, I think I'll stick with public transport as it may be more reliable and get me to where I need to go.
The m2 is pretty sick . They’re maintenance and repair costs keep me away.
The M3 is amazing to drive especially the competition version
@@ECPP but the price! 🤯
.......................... " The m2 is pretty sick "............YES VERY SICK!!!!...Sadly it will NEVER get WELL!......Will always be in the Hospital i.e. Service Department Note:....You will be "SICK" when you see the BILL for your Bad Judgement in buying beeeeemer!
Just buy the M240i or 340i for a lot less money with the bullet proof B58 motor! Perfect daily drivers, and seriously fast and fun as hell!👍
@@mikelowry5012 Price is reasonable for what you're getting! Keep that in mind if you can afford one!
Someone needs a good engine detail.
Very Good.
Who going to buy which car?
This all depends on the orientation of that person.
We need to know what we really want and can like.
When we follow what friends own or see on the street can be a huge mistake and pain.
To make a judgment we need to see all kinds of Cars Forums
They're going to discover about 70% of people who do not own a TV and spending social life only saying or asking unknown
About 30% we find know something or really good knowledge contain in their brains.
Nothing is for free * At the same time do all car owners perfect and take care of their own?
The biggest mistake is when car owners become dependent on mechanics' opinions.
Do mechanics are really kind and trusty?
Businesses changing people's personalities and navigating direction where can get $$$
Never use words expressing your selves my Mechanics told me = same time he owns you.
Thanks for watching and yes different strokes for different t folks
If u have a good income get any german car,
If ur income is about average stick to japanese or korean cars,,that's it
Yes yes yes
Its The Ultimate Driving Machine... that will drive you right into to bankruptcy. LOL
Ouch
@@ECPP My brother had two X6 SUVs and they were in the shop all the frickin time. The last one was repossessed and good riddance. He loved it when it was fixed and BMW performed tons of warranty work on it (electronics) because it is a money pit!
Bmw's are to lease. No one with money buys one for the long haul.
Where's Bimmer-Life (aka David Jean) to start harassing anyone who has anything critical to say about BMW. He raved about his M2
I have owned 6 BMWs of multiple generations so my authority stands. Thanks
@@ECPPOnly six!? So most of them lasted more than one year... 😆
About X-drive... When do you need it? Foremost when it snows in the summer! In the wintertime you have winter tires, with or without studs.
A second case is when you don't trust your driving skills!
So I always have a towline with me, because as we know all don't stay on the road at all occasions. Then I have some kind of X-drive use! But the towline is more useful than any X-drive...
@@ECPP lol, same. 20yrs of owning them and I'm done. Much like a hot girlfriend, you can only put up with their crap for so long.
Wow, bit of a first, in other words, first time this guy hasn't blanketly call all BMWs pieces of crap.
It’s a good er
I've owned a e28, two e34s, a Z4 and now a e60, and I've never had the constant and expensive disasters that I've see on your site regarding these cars. Of course, I do my own maintenance and anticipate problems. The one thing universal with folks who bitch about their BMWs are those that are constantly running to a dealership and then complaining about how the vehicle costs them so much money.
Hello. Don't know if others have mentioned this. the sound when you talk through the one camera that you hold against your face when you walk around has a very sharp and unpleasant sound!
Thanks for the heads up, some is post edit so I will have a look ….or listen lol
You people should spend more money looking after your cars. The first 2 series is one of the most reliable coupes around over here; loads have been sold, our roads are pretty bad and congested so are harder on the cars than a life in Germany.
If you believe everything this guys claims, almost all cars we own are junks waiting to explode anytime. The key is cars need to be maintained regularly. Yes bimmers are expensive to maintain, but my well maintained M2c has had zero problems.
Dude, party the hell up.
Haha
BMW can be summed up in one phrase = "Bust My Wallet" . These cars are for young rich males who lease them for 3 years and them dump back to the dealers. Let someone else deal with the horrible engineering. They are not designed to last. German electronics ... what a joke.
That seems to have changed indeed . 25 years ago, the priorities were much different
BMW = bring more worries (you get that massive repair bill, early and often)
BMW = bring more water (over heating when those plastic parts on the Coolant systems cracks and leaks)
But, at least they are quite interesting as DIY cars.
If you are truly rich you don't lease cars or buy them on those bubble finances that is for the poor!
The 2015 and older N26 2 series is much more reliable than the 2014 and older N20 engine you keep on saying is so horrible, it's very similar to the B48.
The 240i is identical to the M2.
Well…..
Let's just call it a good compromise between performance and reliability. The sweet spot between 230i and M2.
No Bmw for me no more I’m staying far away from them cost 💰💰💰💰💰 maintenance wise
They can be a money suck. Fun, but money eatera
@@ECPP So a no look pass for me on the bmw lol 😂
still sux you're forced to use premium gas for these
If BMW ‘KNOWS’ that these plastic parts wear like that & will cause issues…..WHY won’t they REPLACE the plastic parts w/METAL ones ?😊
Business model in the parts and service department
Ummmm…. That is not the new 2 series. That’s the last generation
I have a N26 and it is much better than the N20.
No e
Nice
Why do we have to look at his face instead of looking at the car
New? This is the old model....
Yes and the better
The very least they should be offering value given what they charge and the uncheap (🤣) BMW repair costs, but does it happen? Not rocket science. 🙄
Thanks
Buddy I thought you have given up on BMWs! It’s like a drug to you isn’t it??
Haha, yes indeed
shamw for BMW
Cheers
Previous model😂
Cheers
I have a 2021 228 and love it. This guy is clueless
Really?
Bmw ..... Number 3 in reliability....... Never believe it
Consumers
I really tried to watch this video but your left hand is driving me crazy!
Please hold it still or keep it out of view.
Thank you.
Thanks
New? This is old
slightly
never ever believe on bmw guys… whatever they say on the end it money pit😂
Thanks
You butchered your joke lol!
@@germanengineering204 german engineer 😂😂. you should chaange ur name as german garbage bro
BMW hater!
No not really
The more expensive models are junk, so imagine this "starter" pile must be a real rolling turd. The ultimate bankruptcy machine. The best place to store any BMW is on the dealer lot.
Haha, I love the acronym. There are probably tons of dealer service bays lined with broken dreams and empty bank accounts
@@germanengineering204 two 330i series, one 4 and a Z4. All purchased new, the oldest one was a 2019. Rattle box junk. So was the VW Passat (2021)...Germans are riding on the cache and sadly, fools still buy their garbage.
The BMW (Bowel Movement Worshippers) i.e. Fan bois are gonna get mad... @@ECPP
@@AvengerAngel Stay salty its comical buddy!😆
That's what I am here for...LOL. Got myself a naturally aspirated 2022 Tacoma, with the V6... before Toyota screws those up with the 4cyl turbo in 2024! @@germanengineering204
It's not the new one
Thanka
If you are not a mechanic avoid bmws 😂
Particularly whe. Last 4 or 5 years
Or one of your family members is auto mechanic
@@ECPP absolutely pure junk, they piss the bed every night, oil all over the driveway, don’t ever park on a fancy garage floor.
DIY TH-cams are your friend.
@@japanwatchconnection bmw is literally the best when it comes to aggressive performance, nobody tops them on the streets especially the ///M engines these vehicles are just not for everybody, because they require immediate maintenance, and attention, when a bmw engine low oil light comes on, the average dummy thinks it’s the best idea to top off the oil level, and this is exactly how to damage the engine, because you absolutely cannot top off your oil levels without a dipstick, so bmw low oil light means, you need to do a complete oil change, topping off dirty oil that already peaked its viscosity is a recipe for timing chain failure, running old oil on a cheap budget, you get more friction, oil won’t lubricate or keep the engine cool during hot operation, and this is why bmw is not for broke folks, if you daily drive bmw, and cannot change your oil every two months, leave these machines alone, get a Kia 😆
Dirty engine!
Totally these guys should be maintaining these things a bit better. Dealers …..
You couldn't be bothered to clean up the engine bay? Pathetic.
No
Every company has made garbage. Why rehash?
They have had their share of
ruin cars...
In what way?
watch this for to understand in @@ECPP
@@ECPP Oil , Rear axle bolts ,Brakes , Airbag problems ,Power Steering problems ,Crankshaft Sensor , plastic parts , expensive parts , lot lot of chip computer in all sides of car and engine
You talk too much
Whoops
videos are way to long and too much rambling
i just got an m2 a few weeks ago👀
Do you like it?
@@ECPP yeah it’s freaking awesome
New 2 series? This the old.
Thanks