I have the Pro. I really like it for what it is. I also have the Bambino Plus and today took delivery of a Profitec Go 100. I don't think anyone believes that Nespresso is espresso. I think we need to appreciate the machine for what it is.
Having this machine for last almost 3 years is very disappointing. It was in out from from repair shop. Always problem with milk steaming and error that steam tip is not attached every time resulting in main board replacement. The only good thing is that nesspreso as club will fix it for you without any problems. Had multiple conversations with them and they say it’s very common issue and just year they fixed like 300+ machines. This actually stopped me purchasing any other Sage machine with auto steaming. Decided eventually on Impress first edition that got recently. While my creatista plus is being repair for the 3rd time this year.
@@Coffee_Kev probably, London. Do have filter built in with Kitchen outlet. Maybe it does help. Cross fingers the sage impress have their own filter plus mine hopefully will work. :)
@Coffee_Kev I came across your channel when doing my homework on the machine upgrade. Thanks for sharing your views and content with a fellow hobbyist.
I purchased this machine second hand at a bargain price and in excellent condition. I am so pleased as my budget won’t stretch for new. I love it. When using the milker I use 2x high strength pods and poor less milk, perfect for me. Quick and stylish
I had this machine. Loved it until I upgraded to a Sage Barista Express. One tip for keeping the milk tip clean is to keep it held up until you finish wiping it clean before letting it fall down fully and purge. Haven’t noticed any decrease in quality of milk over the 4-5 years I had it. I did however make sure to descale the tip while disassembled. Enjoy!
I think there is like 1 upside to coffee pods in general: They don't stale as much. So if you are just drinking coffee for the days where you just need caffeine (like low-motivation days), this might be the best way to go.
I get expired coffee pods of websites that sell things out of date, a few months out of date and still tastes great - sometimes as low as 5-10p per pod of the Starbucks ones! This is the cheapest, quickest and most efficient alternative to real espresso
I've used one of these for about four years and while it's needed a little TLC from Nespresso it's been thrashed, especially during lockdown. It's not espresso off course but it's miles better than any instant I've had and that's how I look at it. Recommended. I'm not sure how much I'll be using it when I get my Kafmasino One (thanks for the review Kev!), but the rest of the family will. Maybe two 'espresso' pods for breakfast before making a real espresso... NB the Cafepod Brunch Blend is good and so is the new Nespresso Cadiz Espresso
I had the Pro version before making the jump to proper espresso and think it’s a fantastic machine. I gave it to my mum and dad, they love it and no longer bother with instant coffee. It’s impossible to go back and use Nespresso once you get used to 18g of espresso in a milky. - I now drink a humble cup of tea when I visit them as the pods are just too weak for my taste buds unless I use 3 at once.
Yeah I think you've summed it up well there, big upgrade from instant (depending on the pods you use) but once you''re used to traditional espresso, there's no going back.
I went from a profitec and a DF64 to a Nespresso creatista pro. Hated the time, process, all the things needed, and mess to make a really good coffee, especially if making for multiple people. Did i mention i am also a lazy sod. Horses for courses. Ps. Selling my DF64 if anyone is interested.
@@dr6124 Same. I went from a Nespresso to Dual Boiler + Niche Zero and 6 months later I sold it for a Barista Touch Impress because I was sick of the silly long chore of a 'workflow' every morning!
Loving these videos. Thanks, Kev. I’ve been into good coffee for a long while but have only quite recently become a bonafide Woffee Canker. A recent diet of James Hoffman (what does he use in his hair, wallpaper paste?) and Tom (you’re right, it should be Tom’s Coffee Wall!), plus others, means that I’ve been dying to find a coffee advisor like you … northern and humorous, along with the knowledge and insight the others provide. Oh, that, and you getting me £60 off my recent Sage Bambino Plus! 😉
I used to have a Creatista Plus until the coffee side of it stopped working. However, I got the machine second hand and thrashed it. I didn't want to buy pods all the time, so I got Sealpods and refilled with fresh coffee ground from my Baratza ESP. I found the coffee pretty good, but had to use 2 pods. When it died, I decided to get a Bambino Plus. Still using the Baratza with non pressurised baskets. Just no comparison, the Bambino might take a little longer, but the quality and strength of coffee is so good, very happy. Plus I'm not refilling pods all the time!!
@@Coffee_Kev I hear that. Today, I received a new espresso machine and I've had around half-a-dozen 17g shots. I don't think a "pod" would touch the sides. 🤣
@@Coffee_Kev I'm pleased you asked, because I've been boring everyone else with it all week. 😂 I upgraded my Sylvia to the Rocket Mozzafiato Type R (the rotary pump version). It's a big upgrade and I'm very happy with it. 👍
Can’t you just add an extra shot (from a fresh pod) to strengthen them up. I tried those grind pods and to be honest I don’t think they taste good. I’ve got a very old nespresso machine so I’ve been testing a lot of pods lol. Thanks for the review I’ve just brought the pro for my caravan. I have a feeling it will be used a lot. the grandkids love lattes lol 😆
It’s the best thing aside a real espresso machine. I love proper espresso coffee shop coffee but don’t have time at 5am in the morning before rushing to work! This gives you near that quality with such ease and efficiency. Pair that with getting expired coffee pods from a good website where I pay about 10p per pod, (only a few months out of date and tastes great still) it’s cheap, quick and efficient!
I’ve found that about 40-50 ml of milk works best with a single pod to emulate something close to a cap. So I weigh it out. Longtime coffee maker/drinker. For an at home device as long as you check your weights you can do quite well with this machine…plus it doesn’t require your SO to pick up another hobby.
Great video! I would rather pay a little more and get the Pro tho, with touchscreen and simultaneous coffee brewing and milk frothing, in case you have several Nespresso-loving guests visiting
I have the pro too, video coming soon, I think it's actually flown under the radar to a certain degree, it's Sage/Breville's only dual thermojet machine, and it makes one touch Americano too. It's flipping pricey for a pod machine, but there are nice deals for it occasionally if you're patient.
@@Coffee_Kev As a Barista Touch owner I wonder why the latest machines don't have the dual thermojet :/ Would be the perfect machine for me, I love the manual puck prep and automatic milk frothing
I completely agree. I've been scratching my head at Sage/Breville's decision to not bring dual thermojets to their integrated grinder espresso machines, I'm sure they have a reason, I can't figure out what it is though.
@@Coffee_Kev Money. And I don’t mean that in a “they’re cheap bastards,” kind of way. It’s easy for us enthusiasts to forget Breville is an appliance maker and I’ll bet the vast majority of their owners have never really fallen down the rabbit hole like we have. As such, the typical owner is probably just following the instructions and making coffee. Nothing wrong with that. I assume Breville is creating their machines to meet a certain market, with each product to have as many features as possible within a certain price point.
I personally think having a pod machine and an espresso type machine combo would be a much better option. For 500 quid i think there is even room for a good quality grinder too. Mental.
I pair mine up with a l'or barista so milk gets done same time as double shot espresso 😊 also the l'or barista works better for after market pods then the nespresso creatista plus
Ive just got lucky enough to get one of these machines, lightly used, for free on marketplace. The only thing its missing is the milk jug. Will any milk jug of a similar size do the trick or is there aome black magic that will force me into buying their branded one? Thanks for the video & i do love my milkies 🥛
You do know Nespresso shots are made to only go with 120 ml of milk (before frothing)? This is this 1st mark on all their aeroccino frothers for a single shot drink. Its also the default on all their one touch lattisma machines. Why use so much milk with a 1:6 ratio coffee pod. Maybe its a creatista auto froth thing but only 120 ml should be used. You can use the ristretto button and 2 pods to achieve a 1:3 ratio. I know is fun to mock Nespresso but its really not that bad for the convenience. Beats most crappy chain coffee shops here in the US any day.
I can’t see that you’re making any adjustments in accordance with your taste? For example you can increase the volume of coffee, increase the heat of both the coffee and milk and increase the amount of ‘froth’ being made. There are a lot of settings available to enable you to create your perfect cup of coffee.
@@bradley7506I habitually pour a pod-free shot into the mug then swish and dump before using the actual pod. This cleans the line a bit *and* pre-warms the mug, so the coffee is hotter.
They're certainly easier, no dialling in, but it depends if you're wanting the cup quality you get from a well dialled in double shot. If you do, although the Creatista machines are in my opinion the best nespresso pods for millkies, they're just never going to give you that, as Nespresso pod "espresso" just isn't the same when it comes to intensity and texture. Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev I have a hard time gauging the difference between sour and bitter. Just so as I know where I should be aiming, what grind size would you recommend for your fruit & nut blend in a Smart Grinder Pro?
wont the strengh of the cofee depend on the cofee blend your using in the machine ? the one we have range from 4 or 5 to 10 in the strenght scale so to complain its making milky cofee is odd
I use 20grams of coffee, so would never bother with such a machine. Maybe if they sold pods of different sizes so that you could actually taste the coffee, but still a very expensive way to get a cup of coffee. Cheers
Yup... I bought this a while back, actually through one of your affiliate links 😂 Great machine, easy to use, plenty of options, looks nice.... but as always with Nespresso pods it can be a very expensive way of enjoying coffee. For me I use 3 strong Nespresso pods for a flat white, and even then I feel I could add more 😬 Definitely need to switch to an espresso machine soon!
Thanks for your support! 😎 Yeah, they're relatively cost effective if you calculate it per cup, only if you use one pod per cup. When people like us are trying to use them to get something resembling traditional espresso, using 2-3 (I've used 4 in the past) pods per cup, it can become a very expensive way to enjoy coffee as you've mentioned. Ta, Kev
They should just make the pods have more coffee in them. Who wants weak coffee? One small tiny point, you mentioned the Bambino Plus having the same milk wand, not exactly true. The Bambino (non Plus) has the same milk frother as this unit, the Bambino Plus has 4 jets rather than 2 in the milk wand.
I said they both have an Auto frothing steam wand and auto purge, I didn't say they had the same steam wand or steam tip, did I? Don't think I did anyway, but I've slept since then ;-). In terms of the tips, the Creatista Pro and Plus have a four hole tip, same as the bambino plus, they're not the same wands though, the creatista wands are the same as the Barista touch impress. The Bambino has a single hole steam tip. Ta, Kev.
Maybe if he used original Nespresso capsules he would get a fuller stronger shot. 3rd party and refillable pods are known to not get you enough seal and preassure.
😂 I love how coffee pod users got so mad at your review and the few specialty coffee drinkers are showing their palms to this machine. That marks the divide between different types of beverage drinkers.
To be fair; if you’re reviewing a product I think one of top questions to answer is “Who is this product for?”. That little thing would fit at anyone’s desk….and no one is pulling real shots at their desk 😂🤣 so I’d say this is perfect for someone who can’t get away to make a great cup at work. 🤷🏻♂️
The problem with Nespresso is all that artificial crema it creates makes it really hard to do latte art. The milk just can’t move through the foam of the crema well enough to get good art. Scoop away 90% of the Crema and it works better .
I got the impression that you hated the coffee from this machine. Fact is, unless you’re drinking espresso these machines make really bland uninspiring coffee drinks. I’m right that each pod only contains less the. 12grams of coffee hence why it tastes so bland
A lot of the compostable pods can stick sometimes, strangely I found they stuck in the Grind pod machine occasionally, but I've not had any issues with them with the Creatista Pro. Ta, Kev.
I have the Pro. I really like it for what it is. I also have the Bambino Plus and today took delivery of a Profitec Go 100. I don't think anyone believes that Nespresso is espresso. I think we need to appreciate the machine for what it is.
I agree, I think for what it is, it's mega. I don't think there's a better pod machine option for milkies than the creatista range.
Having this machine for last almost 3 years is very disappointing. It was in out from from repair shop. Always problem with milk steaming and error that steam tip is not attached every time resulting in main board replacement.
The only good thing is that nesspreso as club will fix it for you without any problems.
Had multiple conversations with them and they say it’s very common issue and just year they fixed like 300+ machines.
This actually stopped me purchasing any other Sage machine with auto steaming.
Decided eventually on Impress first edition that got recently.
While my creatista plus is being repair for the 3rd time this year.
Ooh, that's not good. Just out of interest do you live in a hard water area? Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev probably, London.
Do have filter built in with Kitchen outlet. Maybe it does help.
Cross fingers the sage impress have their own filter plus mine hopefully will work. :)
This was my preferred machine before upgrading to the Lelit Bianca. I highly recommend it. It is now in the office and is still used daily.
oof nice upgrade!
@Coffee_Kev I came across your channel when doing my homework on the machine upgrade. Thanks for sharing your views and content with a fellow hobbyist.
I purchased this machine second hand at a bargain price and in excellent condition. I am so pleased as my budget won’t stretch for new. I love it. When using the milker I use 2x high strength pods and poor less milk, perfect for me. Quick and stylish
Fantastic Emma :-)
I had this machine. Loved it until I upgraded to a Sage Barista Express. One tip for keeping the milk tip clean is to keep it held up until you finish wiping it clean before letting it fall down fully and purge. Haven’t noticed any decrease in quality of milk over the 4-5 years I had it. I did however make sure to descale the tip while disassembled. Enjoy!
I think there is like 1 upside to coffee pods in general: They don't stale as much. So if you are just drinking coffee for the days where you just need caffeine (like low-motivation days), this might be the best way to go.
I get expired coffee pods of websites that sell things out of date, a few months out of date and still tastes great - sometimes as low as 5-10p per pod of the Starbucks ones! This is the cheapest, quickest and most efficient alternative to real espresso
I've used one of these for about four years and while it's needed a little TLC from Nespresso it's been thrashed, especially during lockdown. It's not espresso off course but it's miles better than any instant I've had and that's how I look at it. Recommended.
I'm not sure how much I'll be using it when I get my Kafmasino One (thanks for the review Kev!), but the rest of the family will. Maybe two 'espresso' pods for breakfast before making a real espresso...
NB the Cafepod Brunch Blend is good and so is the new Nespresso Cadiz Espresso
I had the Pro version before making the jump to proper espresso and think it’s a fantastic machine.
I gave it to my mum and dad, they love it and no longer bother with instant coffee.
It’s impossible to go back and use Nespresso once you get used to 18g of espresso in a milky. - I now drink a humble cup of tea when I visit them as the pods are just too weak for my taste buds unless I use 3 at once.
Yeah I think you've summed it up well there, big upgrade from instant (depending on the pods you use) but once you''re used to traditional espresso, there's no going back.
@@Coffee_Kev deffo!
I went from a profitec and a DF64 to a Nespresso creatista pro. Hated the time, process, all the things needed, and mess to make a really good coffee, especially if making for multiple people. Did i mention i am also a lazy sod. Horses for courses.
Ps. Selling my DF64 if anyone is interested.
@@dr6124 Same. I went from a Nespresso to Dual Boiler + Niche Zero and 6 months later I sold it for a Barista Touch Impress because I was sick of the silly long chore of a 'workflow' every morning!
Loving these videos. Thanks, Kev. I’ve been into good coffee for a long while but have only quite recently become a bonafide Woffee Canker. A recent diet of James Hoffman (what does he use in his hair, wallpaper paste?) and Tom (you’re right, it should be Tom’s Coffee Wall!), plus others, means that I’ve been dying to find a coffee advisor like you … northern and humorous, along with the knowledge and insight the others provide. Oh, that, and you getting me £60 off my recent Sage Bambino Plus! 😉
Thanks Neil, Glad you get my humour ;-)
I used to have a Creatista Plus until the coffee side of it stopped working. However, I got the machine second hand and thrashed it. I didn't want to buy pods all the time, so I got Sealpods and refilled with fresh coffee ground from my Baratza ESP. I found the coffee pretty good, but had to use 2 pods. When it died, I decided to get a Bambino Plus. Still using the Baratza with non pressurised baskets. Just no comparison, the Bambino might take a little longer, but the quality and strength of coffee is so good, very happy. Plus I'm not refilling pods all the time!!
The BP is a great machine Kerry, I am glad you are enjoying it :-)
"Mildly coffee-flavoured milk." - High praise, indeed!! 😂
😆 to be fair, I'm just spoilt by traditional espresso made with 18-20g of coffee, a 5g coffee pod in my flat white is never going to cut it.
@@Coffee_Kev I hear that. Today, I received a new espresso machine and I've had around half-a-dozen 17g shots. I don't think a "pod" would touch the sides. 🤣
What did you go for?
@@Coffee_Kev I'm pleased you asked, because I've been boring everyone else with it all week. 😂 I upgraded my Sylvia to the Rocket Mozzafiato Type R (the rotary pump version). It's a big upgrade and I'm very happy with it. 👍
As a Nespresso user of 4 years, this is exactly what Nespresso tastes like lol. It's a slight step above instant coffee.
Can’t you just add an extra shot (from a fresh pod) to strengthen them up. I tried those grind pods and to be honest I don’t think they taste good. I’ve got a very old nespresso machine so I’ve been testing a lot of pods lol. Thanks for the review I’ve just brought the pro for my caravan. I have a feeling it will be used a lot. the grandkids love lattes lol 😆
It’s the best thing aside a real espresso machine. I love proper espresso coffee shop coffee but don’t have time at 5am in the morning before rushing to work! This gives you near that quality with such ease and efficiency. Pair that with getting expired coffee pods from a good website where I pay about 10p per pod, (only a few months out of date and tastes great still) it’s cheap, quick and efficient!
I’ve found that about 40-50 ml of milk works best with a single pod to emulate something close to a cap. So I weigh it out. Longtime coffee maker/drinker. For an at home device as long as you check your weights you can do quite well with this machine…plus it doesn’t require your SO to pick up another hobby.
Great video! I would rather pay a little more and get the Pro tho, with touchscreen and simultaneous coffee brewing and milk frothing, in case you have several Nespresso-loving guests visiting
I have the pro too, video coming soon, I think it's actually flown under the radar to a certain degree, it's Sage/Breville's only dual thermojet machine, and it makes one touch Americano too. It's flipping pricey for a pod machine, but there are nice deals for it occasionally if you're patient.
@@Coffee_Kev As a Barista Touch owner I wonder why the latest machines don't have the dual thermojet :/ Would be the perfect machine for me, I love the manual puck prep and automatic milk frothing
Apparently, dual thermojets are coming to the Oracle. Maybe that’ll be the start of upgrades across the line. Or at least for the upper end of it.
I completely agree. I've been scratching my head at Sage/Breville's decision to not bring dual thermojets to their integrated grinder espresso machines, I'm sure they have a reason, I can't figure out what it is though.
@@Coffee_Kev Money.
And I don’t mean that in a “they’re cheap bastards,” kind of way. It’s easy for us enthusiasts to forget Breville is an appliance maker and I’ll bet the vast majority of their owners have never really fallen down the rabbit hole like we have. As such, the typical owner is probably just following the instructions and making coffee. Nothing wrong with that. I assume Breville is creating their machines to meet a certain market, with each product to have as many features as possible within a certain price point.
Thanks, Kevin. Does this accept the l'or XXL size pods?.
I personally think having a pod machine and an espresso type machine combo would be a much better option. For 500 quid i think there is even room for a good quality grinder too. Mental.
I pair mine up with a l'or barista so milk gets done same time as double shot espresso 😊 also the l'or barista works better for after market pods then the nespresso creatista plus
Ive just got lucky enough to get one of these machines, lightly used, for free on marketplace.
The only thing its missing is the milk jug. Will any milk jug of a similar size do the trick or is there aome black magic that will force me into buying their branded one?
Thanks for the video & i do love my milkies 🥛
You do know Nespresso shots are made to only go with 120 ml of milk (before frothing)? This is this 1st mark on all their aeroccino frothers for a single shot drink. Its also the default on all their one touch lattisma machines. Why use so much milk with a 1:6 ratio coffee pod. Maybe its a creatista auto froth thing but only 120 ml should be used. You can use the ristretto button and 2 pods to achieve a 1:3 ratio. I know is fun to mock Nespresso but its really not that bad for the convenience. Beats most crappy chain coffee shops here in the US any day.
I can’t see that you’re making any adjustments in accordance with your taste? For example you can increase the volume of coffee, increase the heat of both the coffee and milk and increase the amount of ‘froth’ being made. There are a lot of settings available to enable you to create your perfect cup of coffee.
I wish there was a way to increase the temp of the coffee but there actually isn’t. There is only the ability to increase milk froth temp.
@@bradley7506I habitually pour a pod-free shot into the mug then swish and dump before using the actual pod. This cleans the line a bit *and* pre-warms the mug, so the coffee is hotter.
I wonder if I should have got one of these instead of a Bambino Plus and a grinder, as dialling in is doing my head in.
They're certainly easier, no dialling in, but it depends if you're wanting the cup quality you get from a well dialled in double shot. If you do, although the Creatista machines are in my opinion the best nespresso pods for millkies, they're just never going to give you that, as Nespresso pod "espresso" just isn't the same when it comes to intensity and texture. Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev I have a hard time gauging the difference between sour and bitter. Just so as I know where I should be aiming, what grind size would you recommend for your fruit & nut blend in a Smart Grinder Pro?
wont the strengh of the cofee depend on the cofee blend your using in the machine ? the one we have range from 4 or 5 to 10 in the strenght scale so to complain its making milky cofee is odd
So this better milk than a Frother and a Nespresso machine?
Lol can you tell me what show or film that clip at the end is from? 🤣
I use 20grams of coffee, so would never bother with such a machine. Maybe if they sold pods of different sizes so that you could actually taste the coffee, but still a very expensive way to get a cup of coffee. Cheers
does it take xl pods
Nah it'll only take the nespresso original line compatible pods. Ta, Kev.
Yup... I bought this a while back, actually through one of your affiliate links 😂
Great machine, easy to use, plenty of options, looks nice.... but as always with Nespresso pods it can be a very expensive way of enjoying coffee. For me I use 3 strong Nespresso pods for a flat white, and even then I feel I could add more 😬
Definitely need to switch to an espresso machine soon!
Thanks for your support! 😎 Yeah, they're relatively cost effective if you calculate it per cup, only if you use one pod per cup. When people like us are trying to use them to get something resembling traditional espresso, using 2-3 (I've used 4 in the past) pods per cup, it can become a very expensive way to enjoy coffee as you've mentioned.
Ta, Kev
They should just make the pods have more coffee in them. Who wants weak coffee? One small tiny point, you mentioned the Bambino Plus having the same milk wand, not exactly true. The Bambino (non Plus) has the same milk frother as this unit, the Bambino Plus has 4 jets rather than 2 in the milk wand.
I said they both have an Auto frothing steam wand and auto purge, I didn't say they had the same steam wand or steam tip, did I? Don't think I did anyway, but I've slept since then ;-). In terms of the tips, the Creatista Pro and Plus have a four hole tip, same as the bambino plus, they're not the same wands though, the creatista wands are the same as the Barista touch impress. The Bambino has a single hole steam tip. Ta, Kev.
Couldnt you use a stronger coffee like a brazillian dark roast, make it either a lungo or doppio so the latte is less milky and balanced?
Maybe if he used original Nespresso capsules he would get a fuller stronger shot. 3rd party and refillable pods are known to not get you enough seal and preassure.
"Mildly coffee flavoured milk" -Kev 😂
hehe 😆😆
😂 I love how coffee pod users got so mad at your review and the few specialty coffee drinkers are showing their palms to this machine. That marks the divide between different types of beverage drinkers.
To be fair; if you’re reviewing a product I think one of top questions to answer is “Who is this product for?”. That little thing would fit at anyone’s desk….and no one is pulling real shots at their desk 😂🤣 so I’d say this is perfect for someone who can’t get away to make a great cup at work. 🤷🏻♂️
I feel attacked 😂. Mildly coffee flavored milk.
The problem with Nespresso is all that artificial crema it creates makes it really hard to do latte art. The milk just can’t move through the foam of the crema well enough to get good art. Scoop away 90% of the Crema and it works better .
Hahahaha may as well just make a hot milky before bed 😂
The steam wand needs a lot of cleaning. I gave mine away.
A Flat White is made with a double shot of espresso 🤦🏻♂️😅 silly machine
I put pod coffee at oat mush in the same category... affronts to nature.
still a nice video otherwise
Oat mush, hahah 😂
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I got the impression that you hated the coffee from this machine. Fact is, unless you’re drinking espresso these machines make really bland uninspiring coffee drinks. I’m right that each pod only contains less the. 12grams of coffee hence why it tastes so bland
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I'll stay clear from pod coffee...
Yeah each to their own, they're defo not for everyone
Got this machine for £7.50 out of a charity shop. Bargain!
Wow, What a find!
Grind coffee pods are awful. Pods don't always work and it's way to weak
A lot of the compostable pods can stick sometimes, strangely I found they stuck in the Grind pod machine occasionally, but I've not had any issues with them with the Creatista Pro. Ta, Kev.