For anybody recently purchasing the dreamview P1 bars. I just set mine up yesterday and I noticed the same issue with the colors displaying as mostly red and pinks when my screen was actually displaying darker or cooler tones. I mostly fixed this issue by adjusting the white balance setting in the app. Play around with this setting as it will be different for each display. The default setting was set to the warmest setting. I actually had to set mine to the coolest setting. Seemed counter intuitive but it appears to have fixed the issue so far. Hope this helps!
I've been searching for this EXACT video for a week or so. THANK YOU for making this video! Your review style is top-tier and deserves to be recognized. Keep it up!
You are an example of an awesome TH-cam creator. Good timing, mixing and plain clear dialogue and explanations made it much better than anything else available on TH-cam about this product line. Keep on doing the great job!
Thanks for this fantastic review of these lightbars! I've been looking at different options, and your overview is hands down the best on youtube. You've not only gone into the details of installing them but also went further to provide helpful tips that really actually, well, help. Looking forward to your other videos!
I use my AmbiVision for two years, and now I can not imagine watching TV without it. I have just bought the second TV and waiting for the new AmbiVision kit. It's awesome 👍 🤩
@@MrTekSuggest as I know AmbiVision's does not care about OS - it captures screen by fast camera. It is good idea to test it on the channel, as they are with this technology for 3 years already and looks much better than govee.
Guess I’ll have to give the immersion kit a try, really wish they had a dedicated option for 70”+ TVs. Hopefully the birghtness of the LEDs is enough to give the same effect on larger TVs
@@MrTekSuggest question for you . Durability.. you made this video 9 months ago. Is your lights still working perfectly ? I’m thinking about going with the immersion strip kit for my 77 inch oled.
@@patrickyeary strip brightness=70/saturation about 15%. Bar brightness I keep below 20% when using with the strips so they don’t wash them out. Saturation about 15% as well
Awesome review! The previous immersion kit I had from Govee I returned, because white was shown as pink and blue as purple. How do you find the color reproduction on these? Is it accurate?
The color reproduction is significantly improved on the 2.0 immersion. Have you check out my previous Govee video? th-cam.com/video/HgUM8DjP2uo/w-d-xo.html
Thats a pretty sick voice over! nice vieo man! Just got my Flow Pro today, it had a valentine deal. Had been checking Philips Bars but for simply "try and see if i like it" i found that way to expensive. So far i think the flow pro is nice. Im gonna try to use Velcro so i can switch between laptop setup and tv setup
One thing i do hope they change or update, is the power output. it looks like its exponential. At 50% you almost at 100 already. there is hardly any difference. 1% feels like 10 already. I also hope they make a desktop app
ONe other thing i dislike. The wire comes out at the bottom, in all their images they retouch out that wire. I wont push them down completely since that will stress the cable. They should putten a cut in the stands so the wire could pass through and wire it out from the back of the lights.
One other thing i would suggest to them is lower the angle of the camera. With a lower angle it will capture more of the display. Currently it just grabs about 1/3 if your lucky. If its tilted down it will see the top corners better. At least i think. First time i saw these i could not understand why it could only be placed at the top. At the bottom its less distracting. Gladly they made that possible now. BUt i guess it doesnt really matter. I think the older version will work upside down
@@MrTekSuggest Well i need to clean the velcro on one side of all vibers. Even i do got 3M tape it wont hold properly. Went tking them off the tape doesnt hold. But i found another easier method. Because they are angled i put them side by side at the top of my monintor mount. I got a dell with a vertical stand. Then i use a hair rubber band to hold them together and the band goes over the top of the monitor stand. The bars rest on the cables which come through the hole. And because the are 45deg angle they glow outwords. It works perfectly !!! Its was even easier vs the Velcro setup :)
Super in depth review. Thank you! I was considering getting these last week for the back of my monitors to prevent eye strain, but ended up getting the Hue Play bars instead because there wasn't enough information on these, yet. Although, I'm really happy with my decision these would have worked for my purposes especially now that I know they provide good warm and cool whites.
Glad I watched this as I was just about to purchase the bars but didn't realise they did split the colours on video mode. Maybe a software update will fix it... Thanks for a great review
@sw3d3r yup. One for the immersion and one for the flow bars. I love it. Getting flow bars for the bedroom tv next. I love that the whole wall lights up now
I'm a little burnt out on watching videos and doing research the past two days, so I apologize if I'm asking a question you've already answered. I currently have a LGb7a 65" model and the back panel has a raised section -- a hump, if you will -- and due to that fact, I'm leaning more towards these Flow Pro Bars since I don't think the strip lights will be easily applied. Of course, it seems like the bars are better suited for a smaller model TVs and should probably figure out a way to implement the strip lights. What's your suggestion?
Hey man, no problem at all. I would really try to get the strips to work first because I really think that you would be much happier with the experience for your screen size. For a 65" TV, you will not be able to install the strips right to the edges anyway. What model TV do you have specifically?
Your voice reminds me of Greg Eagles (voice actor, metal gear solid and others) which is a great thing kept me engaged and nothing was too much or not enough. Great review
Thanks for your great reviews, always clear & concise! The Immersion is finally available in the UK. Do you know how far the camera sticks out? I need to see if it will fit behind a soundbar.
Don't bother, nothing commercially available even comes close to the Hue Sync box. The only setup to even get close is the Raspberry Pi with pass through HDMI, setup with the right programs.
Take it off game mode and only use movie mode. Game mode flickers if u look closely. I thought with games it would be distracting but it's really not. Just extra color pop is all which is a plus in my book
Hi, just want to ask if you can try using just one camera, split the USB output to 2 USB? Then connect each USB to both the flow pro and immersive device.
Unfortunately a splitter will not work for this particular model. But stay tuned I have a feeling you’ll be interested in some new products coming down the pipeline
Out of every one your a G bout yours homie. Nobody was good enough to explain the right way. Not everyone will understand tech talk and that’s what these fools be doing so it makes it harder to understand.. but the problem with these lights is most people like myself has the tv hanging so the bars are a lot lower. So I had to build either a wall mount or an adjustable speaker stand.. I know this is an old video but gots to appreciate it regardless.. I have the T1 version of this. And it didn’t have the option to stick these on the back of my tv. Soo I just used my Mexican ingenuity lol and made them stick a certain way bcuz mine are rounded unfortunately and I have my ps5 behind my tv I wanted it to look in the front as ghosted as possible.. I’ll tell you what homie it makes a bigger difference bcuz it adds on to the already strip of lights .. so those colors you mentioned at the end of this video I have not had that off color. It takes time to figure out and adjust the lights but the bars over power sometimes the led’s , so if one side is green and red bcuz I followed your style it’s pretty much on point. At first I wasn’t going to put the bars on but after watching videos and seeing yours and I ended up calling govee customer support and asked bunch questions.. there the ones that actually laid it down bout why the bars sometimes don’t catch that right light. So now everything spot on .. I know with certain games or things that are very fast the lights 90% stick with the games for most part. Nothing is gonna be spot on and I’m really hard on everything to be just right or spot on but in reality it’s not.. anyways much respect homie..
Got my bars setup the other day. Notice they doing same color on both sides. Was messing around and seen a update was out for the bars. Now they actually show correct colors on the tv like the leds strips.
Again fantastic thanks for the recommendation to this video, what camera/settings do you use to record sub good quality videos with both the TV brightness and the dark backgrounds... it looks stunning
Hey man I appreciate it. I shoot a lot with a Sony A6400 using sigma lenses. I do not use picture profiles very much, as I feel like I get a less natural looking image that needs more adjustment in post. In low light I generally shoot with a very low f-stop 1.8-2.0 roughly
I know this video is old but hopefully I’ll get a response. I just got the Govee backlight lite 3 along with the Govee 15 inch light bars to use with my 75 inch tv what do you think of those being thrown together in dreamview ?
Im using t1 with strip at back tv and rgbic light bars in dreamview and WOW collaboration is pretty good took me while to get it right but i think im 90% correct 😅 also make sure to get correct collaboration with bars you mess about AREA SETTINGS
Yeah good point about splitting that color signal. We can manually do it, wish the video modes had it as well. Perhaps it doesnt have the power to it live?
Thanks for the review. I’m a pass on the bars and stick with the Immersion Kit only. Besides, it’s only temporary as I’ll be getting another TV and going with the Hue setup.
I’ve got a 49 inch curved tv and thinking about getting one of the light packages for gaming. Do you know if the curved aspect causes any problems with placing the camera onto the screen?
Great video? I love the color changing ideas for movies and etc. how does this work with music. Is there a music sync options for like karaoke and etc? Another note - is the flow bar issue with them syncing the same color still an issue? At the time of this video, if one want. Other the flow bar and backlit, do I still need separate cameras?
Thank you for info on a gift I purchased for my friend. Helped him install today. Just sent your vids for the best settings. Waiting for night time to see the results since his tv is by a glass door LOL
seeing as though I have the 48 inch lg cx I think the light bars are good enough for me for my setup. After getting the original tv led strips and being disappointed at how much I had to fiddle with the camera to get it to pick up the tv and it still being largely inaccurate, its great to see govee improve upon the design of the camera and the accuracy of the lights on their immersion kit. Unfortunately Im done with the led strips, so the bars are perfect for me. Plus they added the half screen update, which makes this more than enough for me to get that extra immersive experience. Goood vid!
@@tombeech9920 yes I am! Although I will say, the bars is much better if used as a COMPLIMENT to the immersion led strips. I made my decision of not buying the strips based off my experience with the older version of it, but after seeing how accurate the bars were with the colors and brightness, I wish I got the immersion strips first, and then the bars. But overall I do recommend if you want a quick immersion setup. For the 48 inch, it’s very bright and extremely accurate 95% of the time . Just stick it onto the sides of your tv and you’re good to go!
@@tombeech9920 no, which was also another reason i never got it, however, I have a friend that have installed it on his tv (48”) and it works well. Just have to adjust it when installing by leaving a bit untaped on the corners when installing so that it can accommodate the smaller tv. He said it took him a while but he got it to be accurate because at first, it was showing colors on the bottom of the screen that’s supposed to be on the sides. After adjusting and a little ingenuity, he got it installed properly.
The way you go over the pieces and capabilities is so awesome, can't express enough how excited I am when I see that you have a video for a piece of hardware that I'm interested in.
you think govee would just make a universal system that can connect to one camera and use several lighting elements dynamically depending on positioning. Wonder if thats just a software upgrade away
personally i would never add the bars to the strips at the same time, they just fight each other with the colors and lights and mess up the immersion. If you go with the bars, pull them away from the wall just a bit so they are not face first into the wall, you want the light to spread out. i have the immersion 2.0 strips for my 65" and they work perfectly, soo glad i got them cause they work way better than i thought they would.
Thanks for the comment. I actually do position the bars slightly further back in normal use. But I wanted things to be a bit more discernible on camera. Because of some of the bars shortcomings described in the video, the bars do counter the strips in some situations when it really should be more fluid. The dual kits working as one is definitely not for every piece of content.
Another great video. So glad I stumbled upon your channel. I seriously suffer from review fatigue and usually tune out at some point during many lengthy review videos, but yours keep my attention throughout and I come away with more clarity and memorable information rather than more confusion and being further paralyzed by indecision. Keep it up, my dood! 👊🏾💪🏾🥷🏾 (**sorry, corrected some spelling mistakes because I suck at cellular telephones.**)
@@marcusm5127 that kinda sucks then hides the colors a bit more I think I’ll wait for them to possibly make a bigger kit. Great Vod tho! I’ve shared it already many times.
So out of interest there's tips for larger displays, but what about smaller displays, I'd love to get something like this running with my 48" but the strips never work overly nicely because of being too long so it doesn't work out as nicely as it could, any tips for dealing with that?
Hey great video didn’t know they made this your video help me out a lot. just wondering that if you get a usbc splitter male to 2 female and you plug 2 light strips in to the govee box do you think that it would work in stead of having 2 cameras. 2 immersion kits 1 camera with the splitter.
I actually got around to trying this, even though Govee me doesn’t recommend. No luck unfortunately with using a Single camera to power both of the devices
Do you need both the light bars and the immersion strip for the optimal experience? Or is using the immersion light strip enough by itself? What's the advantage of having both? Hiding one camera will be hard enough, two would be harder.
Hey there, both products are definitely unnecessary when used with a single device. The light strips are capable of immersing you on their own. Check out my final verdict for this video which highlights advantages of using both.
@@MrTekSuggest have you tried having the light bars behind the TV with your strip? That's the only way I'd do it. Having the bars either side of the TV like in the video just wouldn't work for me, I'm not sure I like that look. Having everything behind the TV may be overkill though even if you turn the bars down by 20% like you suggested. Living in Australia it's an expensive investment, I don't know for the price I'd see the difference having everything behind the TV.
Hi and congratulations on your reviews. You know if I can connect an RGBIC strip to the Flow Pro controller and get the same effect as with the immersion kit? I think the bars need a little more brightness. Thank you and greetings from Mexico City.
Would 2 sets of regular light bars be best (brightest) kit for the buck?? Not looking at camera version bc I run 2 55" 4k tvees as monitors for my workstation. TIA!!!
This was super helpful. I’m really interested in the bars for my 43in tv but seeing that they can’t produce the separate lighting on each when in the video mimicking mode is disappointing. Trying to decide between going with the bars or the backlight which would mean trying to snake excess strip behind the tv
Really glad to hear that you found it helpful! My aim in making this video was to shed light for folks with dilemmas just as yours. With a 43 you'll definitely have to do some snaking, but it is doable. As for the bars, I'm hopeful that we'll get a few updates down the road to improve their video performance.
@@MrTekSuggest thanks for the reply, in your experience has govee updated their products a lot? I would definitely be interested in the bars if there’s just some hope they might fix a few of the flaws.
Govee does keep the app fresh with updates and bug fixes. Something like this would require a larger update than usual, if it is indeed doable via software. I will say it is easier to dip your toe and perform a test run with the bars than it would be with the strips. Because once the strips are installed, it will be quite a hassle to remove and return
thanks for such great reviews, both this one and the immersion kit... I was wondering since this is a couple of months old, are now the bars able to display different colors?
can you use a USB C splitter to the control box if you want to run both the bars and strips off the same camera to make sure they are getting the same info?
In theory, can you use a USB C male to 2 USB C female adapter splitter cable to the control box to connect the light strips and the light bars to 1 camera and control box?
I'm noticing on the tv light kit in your video that it doesn't produce yellow. And it doesn't track and place the other colours on the wall apart from BLUE.
Hey there, I actually saw very similar perforce with the top or bottom mounted setup, as long as the TV was perfectly flush against the wall. However, when tilting the TV slightly downward (I have low seating), the colors performed better with a bottom mount, sound bar or not. Hope that helps!
Hi Sir, in my country I can only get a pair of second hand flow bars however my TV is 65 inch. What would be the downside of using these if I mount them at the rear?
Hey there, you’ll lose a bit of coverage using the bars versus the strips for your screen size. The strips are also able to leverage multiple zones during video sync mode. Whereas the bars can only track a single color for each side of the screen. You may find this video helpful, check it out th-cam.com/video/QiZ4rof-xg4/w-d-xo.html
Been waiting on this one ☝️! I have the strips on my oled but now I have the flow pros coming in on Monday to try on my 49in ultra wide this will be challenge forsure I’m thinking my camera won’t be able to be mounted on the monitor but we’ll see
Hey man, if you RV is between 55-65, definitely go with the combo new model which only required a single cam for bars and strip. Review here: th-cam.com/video/mY_YC-TtNq8/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest ok cool but I have the old govee and new one with bars so would it make a big deal visual wise to use 2 cameras or no? Thanks again for responding
If your TV is bigger than 55“ then use some plastic 90° angles to attach the leds to and mount them so that the leds are at a 45° angle facing the wall. I even did this with my 55“ OLED to get the most light out of it. If you have an LG OLED TV the sides are already angled at 45°. So there you just need to glue the 90° plastic angles at the edge.
Is there an Emersion Strip for a 32" or is the smallest 55" ??? Ordered the light bars for my gaming monitor, but after seeing this, i think the strips might be better, i dunno... Any Advice would be greatly appreciated please Folks !!
Hey! Try bringing the saturation all the way down to 1%, and make sure that there aren’t any other rgb nearby lights that the camera may be picking up. If the issue persist, move the camera to the opposite position you have it (either top or bottom) and test again. If no luck I’d do a rapid replacement with Govee!
Appreciate it. I have not tried a Hyperion set up personally. I’ve seen a few videos on them though. What seems tough with this kind of set up, is that parts and software can vary and therefore individual results as well. Are you currently running?
@@MrTekSuggest Not yet, I am trying to decide between Hyperion and the Immersion TV light. I like the lower cost of the Immersion light but that camera is really an issue for me. Hyperion is more complicated but does support bigger tv sizes. I look forward to watch more of your videos.
What if you use a USB splitter. Have the two products feed off of one camera. Extra cables but one less camera. Thats the first thing I would try when I get the flow pro bars.
Hey there, I actually considered this at the onset. And someone else actually asked about this a few days ago. Govee advises against this, and I worry that the excess power load could cause damage to the control box
@@MrTekSuggest I see but if each control box has its own power source then it should be okay. Only damage I can see is maybe the camera, by feeding two control units light data. Even then if nothing happens I could see maybe colour accuracy and response go down by possibly light info getting lost. BUT Shouldn't a splitter duplicate the info and send it down two paths? If that's the case, it's a possibility it may work without a problem.
@@VexX_DreaD Ah, I was thinking along the lines of eliminating the second control box all together, and feeding both power and data through 1 control unit. This is something that, as time goes on, I'll probably get brave enough to try. But as you mentioned, the control box that uses the splitter may become overloaded with data and cause latency, to not only the added bars, but now to the strips as well. Bringing the whole ship down.
@@MrTekSuggest Oh okay I see what you're saying. Well I plan on getting the bars and the upgraded tv lights so i will try it and let you know how it goes. If it works no problem you can try it yourself and share it with your subscribers.
Hello! I just found this video, so awesome! Maybe is too soon to ask but I see a month has passed, did any SW update arrived or do you know of they are going to fix the color sync issue in the bars?
@@MrTekSuggest thanks a lot for the info! Anyway I went ahead and bought the immersion light kit first! But I'll be waiting for the flow pro bars feedback for sure!
I got the bars about 3 weeks ago. Then this week I got the LG C1 55” oled. I was told that the bars wouldn’t work on a 55” and wasn’t clearly told if it was the field of view of the camera or the projection of the bars. Saw some you tube vids that folks were using them on 55, 65 and even 73. So I thought I would try to make it work. It does. I also think they got the color balance issue worked out since this vid was posted because I don’t seem to have those issues. However my tv is not wall mounted and actually sits about 4.5 feet from the wall. This may or may not help with that issue, I’m not sure. But I’m happy with how the bars work, like suggested, I may add the strips at a future date. Not concerned with it at the moment because I think the bars work really well. Something to think about with slim bevel tv’s like the c1. The bezel is way too thin to mount the camera at the top. The portion of the camera that mounts to the tv is about 1 1/4 inches wide so it won’t stick to the bezel of thin tv’s. A work around to this is plastic bar stock 1 “ x1” . You can cut a piece about 3 inches long and attach it to the top of the tv with 3m tape and then attach the camera to that. Just a thought. I mounted mine to my sound bar as I’m still waiting on the bar stock to arrive.
-I’ll get the bars once they fix the issue where the bars won’t show the same color in movie mode. I have the immersion 2.0 which I love great. the next thing is I wish you can buy a sync box where you can multiple lights or even have the strips and the bars to connect to one box which will also allow for only one camera to be used...even if I would buy it as a sold separately item I would buy it with the quickness.
@@MrTekSuggest -yeah I seen that video which made me actually go buy the immersion 2.0 ..I didn’t care too much bout the first ones but after your video I went and bout the 2.0 .
gonna try the light bars and the immersion leds behind my 75 inch tv like youve suggested here. Im from Australia so having to use an american power adaptor but none the less im fkn excited! thanks for the videos bro
Hey mate, greetings! Lmk how this goes. Definitely check out this video here for a camera hack to manage the 2 cams th-cam.com/video/HTnQrSpQy6A/w-d-xo.html
New DreamView G1 Gaming Light vs T1 Pro TV model: th-cam.com/video/P_-zJoE8I58/w-d-xo.html
For anybody recently purchasing the dreamview P1 bars. I just set mine up yesterday and I noticed the same issue with the colors displaying as mostly red and pinks when my screen was actually displaying darker or cooler tones. I mostly fixed this issue by adjusting the white balance setting in the app. Play around with this setting as it will be different for each display. The default setting was set to the warmest setting. I actually had to set mine to the coolest setting. Seemed counter intuitive but it appears to have fixed the issue so far. Hope this helps!
Thanks I just bought mines
Does it have the same problem now? or has there been any update patch to fix it?
I've been searching for this EXACT video for a week or so. THANK YOU for making this video! Your review style is top-tier and deserves to be recognized. Keep it up!
Much appreciated! I’m glad it was helpful!
@@MrTekSuggest Or you can just cut some pieces of the led strip to make it smaller 😬 😬 😬
Make sure to check out my latest upload of the Strip and Bar combo!
You are an example of an awesome TH-cam creator. Good timing, mixing and plain clear dialogue and explanations made it much better than anything else available on TH-cam about this product line. Keep on doing the great job!
Thank you for the video, I’ve wish they had the strips for smaller tvs but now that I’ve seen this I think the bars should be just fine
Thanks for this fantastic review of these lightbars! I've been looking at different options, and your overview is hands down the best on youtube. You've not only gone into the details of installing them but also went further to provide helpful tips that really actually, well, help. Looking forward to your other videos!
I use my AmbiVision for two years, and now I can not imagine watching TV without it. I have just bought the second TV and waiting for the new AmbiVision kit. It's awesome 👍 🤩
Nice what iOS are you using for your TV?
@@MrTekSuggest as I know AmbiVision's does not care about OS - it captures screen by fast camera. It is good idea to test it on the channel, as they are with this technology for 3 years already and looks much better than govee.
Watched this after buying the strip to see if I wanted the bars and your video made me 100% confident in my decision! Keep up the great work bro :)
Awesome, love hearing when my reviews help buying decisions!
Guess I’ll have to give the immersion kit a try, really wish they had a dedicated option for 70”+ TVs. Hopefully the birghtness of the LEDs is enough to give the same effect on larger TVs
It’s definitely worth a shot. They’re a ton but of fun!
They have one now. And I’m doing my research on it.
@@MrTekSuggest question for you . Durability.. you made this video 9 months ago. Is your lights still working perfectly ? I’m thinking about going with the immersion strip kit for my 77 inch oled.
Glad I decided to rewatch this! Just got the flow pro and I already have the immersion, definitely need to recalibrate. Thank you for the tips!
You bet!
@@MrTekSuggest can I ask you something? What do you keep your brightness/saturation levels at for either product?
@@patrickyeary strip brightness=70/saturation about 15%. Bar brightness I keep below 20% when using with the strips so they don’t wash them out. Saturation about 15% as well
@@MrTekSuggest thank you! That’s close to how I had mine set up
Awesome review! The previous immersion kit I had from Govee I returned, because white was shown as pink and blue as purple. How do you find the color reproduction on these? Is it accurate?
The color reproduction is significantly improved on the 2.0 immersion. Have you check out my previous Govee video? th-cam.com/video/HgUM8DjP2uo/w-d-xo.html
Thats a pretty sick voice over! nice vieo man! Just got my Flow Pro today, it had a valentine deal. Had been checking Philips Bars but for simply "try and see if i like it" i found that way to expensive.
So far i think the flow pro is nice. Im gonna try to use Velcro so i can switch between laptop setup and tv setup
One thing i do hope they change or update, is the power output. it looks like its exponential. At 50% you almost at 100 already. there is hardly any difference. 1% feels like 10 already.
I also hope they make a desktop app
ONe other thing i dislike. The wire comes out at the bottom, in all their images they retouch out that wire. I wont push them down completely since that will stress the cable. They should putten a cut in the stands so the wire could pass through and wire it out from the back of the lights.
One other thing i would suggest to them is lower the angle of the camera. With a lower angle it will capture more of the display. Currently it just grabs about 1/3 if your lucky. If its tilted down it will see the top corners better. At least i think. First time i saw these i could not understand why it could only be placed at the top. At the bottom its less distracting. Gladly they made that possible now. BUt i guess it doesnt really matter. I think the older version will work upside down
That’s a great idea!
@@MrTekSuggest Well i need to clean the velcro on one side of all vibers. Even i do got 3M tape it wont hold properly. Went tking them off the tape doesnt hold.
But i found another easier method. Because they are angled i put them side by side at the top of my monintor mount. I got a dell with a vertical stand. Then i use a hair rubber band to hold them together and the band goes over the top of the monitor stand. The bars rest on the cables which come through the hole. And because the are 45deg angle they glow outwords. It works perfectly !!! Its was even easier vs the Velcro setup :)
Nice video. What's the show/movie you have playing at 13:42?
Super in depth review. Thank you! I was considering getting these last week for the back of my monitors to prevent eye strain, but ended up getting the Hue Play bars instead because there wasn't enough information on these, yet. Although, I'm really happy with my decision these would have worked for my purposes especially now that I know they provide good warm and cool whites.
Super! Glad that you enjoyed!
Glad I watched this as I was just about to purchase the bars but didn't realise they did split the colours on video mode. Maybe a software update will fix it... Thanks for a great review
I didn't know they had light bars!! Ordering them now! Going to have both on my tv for the ultimate experience
Haha, very nice!
@sw3d3r 2 cams are unfortunately required for the dual set up. Tutorial here: th-cam.com/video/QYmEPCA2vgQ/w-d-xo.html
You don't even notice them. To be honest. I love the Govee lights. I have them on all my tvs!!
@sw3d3r yup. One for the immersion and one for the flow bars. I love it. Getting flow bars for the bedroom tv next. I love that the whole wall lights up now
I'm a little burnt out on watching videos and doing research the past two days, so I apologize if I'm asking a question you've already answered. I currently have a LGb7a 65" model and the back panel has a raised section -- a hump, if you will -- and due to that fact, I'm leaning more towards these Flow Pro Bars since I don't think the strip lights will be easily applied. Of course, it seems like the bars are better suited for a smaller model TVs and should probably figure out a way to implement the strip lights. What's your suggestion?
Hey man, no problem at all. I would really try to get the strips to work first because I really think that you would be much happier with the experience for your screen size. For a 65" TV, you will not be able to install the strips right to the edges anyway. What model TV do you have specifically?
Your voice reminds me of Greg Eagles (voice actor, metal gear solid and others) which is a great thing kept me engaged and nothing was too much or not enough. Great review
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed! I’m not super familiar, so now I have to look him up haha!
Thanks for your great reviews, always clear & concise!
The Immersion is finally available in the UK. Do you know how far the camera sticks out? I need to see if it will fit behind a soundbar.
You bet, and that is awesome. FINALLY! The camera protrudes about 4" inches outward from the TV
Would like to see you comparing govee bars and phillips bars. Nice one cheers
Hey there, if I get my hands on the play bars, that it the very first thing I will do!
Wouldn't even bother. Phillips is way better but costs so much more. Only the strips are worth it. Govee that is
Don't bother, nothing commercially available even comes close to the Hue Sync box. The only setup to even get close is the Raspberry Pi with pass through HDMI, setup with the right programs.
@@mikrikbell i have a raspberry pi i need some more info on this please
Try WLED with a diy setup!
Take it off game mode and only use movie mode. Game mode flickers if u look closely. I thought with games it would be distracting but it's really not. Just extra color pop is all which is a plus in my book
Hi, just want to ask if you can try using just one camera, split the USB output to 2 USB? Then connect each USB to both the flow pro and immersive device.
Unfortunately a splitter will not work for this particular model. But stay tuned I have a feeling you’ll be interested in some new products coming down the pipeline
Yeah they sell a flow pro plus strips with one camera now
Out of every one your a G bout yours homie. Nobody was good enough to explain the right way. Not everyone will understand tech talk and that’s what these fools be doing so it makes it harder to understand.. but the problem with these lights is most people like myself has the tv hanging so the bars are a lot lower. So I had to build either a wall mount or an adjustable speaker stand.. I know this is an old video but gots to appreciate it regardless.. I have the T1 version of this. And it didn’t have the option to stick these on the back of my tv. Soo I just used my Mexican ingenuity lol and made them stick a certain way bcuz mine are rounded unfortunately and I have my ps5 behind my tv I wanted it to look in the front as ghosted as possible.. I’ll tell you what homie it makes a bigger difference bcuz it adds on to the already strip of lights .. so those colors you mentioned at the end of this video I have not had that off color. It takes time to figure out and adjust the lights but the bars over power sometimes the led’s , so if one side is green and red bcuz I followed your style it’s pretty much on point. At first I wasn’t going to put the bars on but after watching videos and seeing yours and I ended up calling govee customer support and asked bunch questions.. there the ones that actually laid it down bout why the bars sometimes don’t catch that right light. So now everything spot on .. I know with certain games or things that are very fast the lights 90% stick with the games for most part. Nothing is gonna be spot on and I’m really hard on everything to be just right or spot on but in reality it’s not.. anyways much respect homie..
Got my bars setup the other day. Notice they doing same color on both sides. Was messing around and seen a update was out for the bars. Now they actually show correct colors on the tv like the leds strips.
th-cam.com/video/QiZ4rof-xg4/w-d-xo.html
Again fantastic thanks for the recommendation to this video, what camera/settings do you use to record sub good quality videos with both the TV brightness and the dark backgrounds... it looks stunning
Hey man I appreciate it. I shoot a lot with a Sony A6400 using sigma lenses. I do not use picture profiles very much, as I feel like I get a less natural looking image that needs more adjustment in post. In low light I generally shoot with a very low f-stop 1.8-2.0 roughly
I know this video is old but hopefully I’ll get a response. I just got the Govee backlight lite 3 along with the Govee 15 inch light bars to use with my 75 inch tv what do you think of those being thrown together in dreamview ?
Im using t1 with strip at back tv and rgbic light bars in dreamview and WOW collaboration is pretty good took me while to get it right but i think im 90% correct 😅 also make sure to get correct collaboration with bars you mess about AREA SETTINGS
Yeah good point about splitting that color signal. We can manually do it, wish the video modes had it as well. Perhaps it doesnt have the power to it live?
Great review and great video What do you use for the video while testing out the colors?
I just got the immersion kit! This helped me ton!.
Thank you!
Awesome! Glad to hear it helped out!
Thanks for the review. I’m a pass on the bars and stick with the Immersion Kit only. Besides, it’s only temporary as I’ll be getting another TV and going with the Hue setup.
You bet! The bars actually just got a huge update. Game changer
I’ve got a 49 inch curved tv and thinking about getting one of the light packages for gaming. Do you know if the curved aspect causes any problems with placing the camera onto the screen?
Great video? I love the color changing ideas for movies and etc. how does this work with music. Is there a music sync options for like karaoke and etc?
Another note - is the flow bar issue with them syncing the same color still an issue? At the time of this video, if one want. Other the flow bar and backlit, do I still need separate cameras?
Thank you for info on a gift I purchased for my friend. Helped him install today. Just sent your vids for the best settings. Waiting for night time to see the results since his tv is by a glass door LOL
seeing as though I have the 48 inch lg cx I think the light bars are good enough for me for my setup. After getting the original tv led strips and being disappointed at how much I had to fiddle with the camera to get it to pick up the tv and it still being largely inaccurate, its great to see govee improve upon the design of the camera and the accuracy of the lights on their immersion kit. Unfortunately Im done with the led strips, so the bars are perfect for me. Plus they added the half screen update, which makes this more than enough for me to get that extra immersive experience. Goood vid!
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience with the immersion. I hope the bars work out for you!
Happy with your purchase? I have the 48inch cx too
@@tombeech9920 yes I am! Although I will say, the bars is much better if used as a COMPLIMENT to the immersion led strips. I made my decision of not buying the strips based off my experience with the older version of it, but after seeing how accurate the bars were with the colors and brightness, I wish I got the immersion strips first, and then the bars. But overall I do recommend if you want a quick immersion setup. For the 48 inch, it’s very bright and extremely accurate 95% of the time . Just stick it onto the sides of your tv and you’re good to go!
@@WillzMaster85 Good to know. Did you get the immersion strip for your 48inch? Would have thought its too small. Cheers for the reply
@@tombeech9920 no, which was also another reason i never got it, however, I have a friend that have installed it on his tv (48”) and it works well. Just have to adjust it when installing by leaving a bit untaped on the corners when installing so that it can accommodate the smaller tv. He said it took him a while but he got it to be accurate because at first, it was showing colors on the bottom of the screen that’s supposed to be on the sides. After adjusting and a little ingenuity, he got it installed properly.
The way you go over the pieces and capabilities is so awesome, can't express enough how excited I am when I see that you have a video for a piece of hardware that I'm interested in.
you think govee would just make a universal system that can connect to one camera and use several lighting elements dynamically depending on positioning. Wonder if thats just a software upgrade away
Hey man, love the videos. Was wondering, do you think this kit (H6054) would be a good alternative for those with smaller TVs? (sub 55")
Hey man definitely check out my reco here for smaller displays th-cam.com/video/RsURatEaby0/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest perfect, thanks!
personally i would never add the bars to the strips at the same time, they just fight each other with the colors and lights and mess up the immersion. If you go with the bars, pull them away from the wall just a bit so they are not face first into the wall, you want the light to spread out. i have the immersion 2.0 strips for my 65" and they work perfectly, soo glad i got them cause they work way better than i thought they would.
Thanks for the comment. I actually do position the bars slightly further back in normal use. But I wanted things to be a bit more discernible on camera. Because of some of the bars shortcomings described in the video, the bars do counter the strips in some situations when it really should be more fluid. The dual kits working as one is definitely not for every piece of content.
@@MrTekSuggestunderstandable, that makes sense.
Could you put these behind you? Do they have to be near the computer? Reason being I would like to use them as back lighting during my streams.
Great review. I have 49 inch TV does the Immersion TV Light Kit gonna work?
How thick are the bars? My concern is how bulky they are to mount on the back of the TV.
Another great video. So glad I stumbled upon your channel. I seriously suffer from review fatigue and usually tune out at some point during many lengthy review videos, but yours keep my attention throughout and I come away with more clarity and memorable information rather than more confusion and being further paralyzed by indecision. Keep it up, my dood! 👊🏾💪🏾🥷🏾
(**sorry, corrected some spelling mistakes because I suck at cellular telephones.**)
RESPECT 👊🏽
Great vid. I have 1st gen will flow pro still work or would i need 2nd gen?
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed! The Flow Pro Bars operate independently from the immersion light strips, so YES! The bars will work with the 1st gen light strips.
You think I can get away with the strip lights on a 75inch tv? Or as I was thinking maybe waiting on a kit for a bigger screen
Yes the big kit is large enough for a 75 but you can't mount them on the edges.
@@marcusm5127 that kinda sucks then hides the colors a bit more I think I’ll wait for them to possibly make a bigger kit.
Great Vod tho! I’ve shared it already many times.
Will using a USB Y splitter allow you to connect both the Immersion & Bars to one control box?
It will not unfortunately. It is not recommended, and I have actually tried using a hub splitter. To no avail a dedicated camera is required for each
I have a 59 inch TV. Is the flow pro a better choice?
So out of interest there's tips for larger displays, but what about smaller displays, I'd love to get something like this running with my 48" but the strips never work overly nicely because of being too long so it doesn't work out as nicely as it could, any tips for dealing with that?
Still not sure... I have a 27" monitor. Strips or bars? Or both? I play games, watch things, simply do everything on pc.
Hey great video didn’t know they made this your video help me out a lot. just wondering that if you get a usbc splitter male to 2 female and you plug 2 light strips in to the govee box do you think that it would work in stead of having 2 cameras. 2 immersion kits 1 camera with the splitter.
I actually got around to trying this, even though Govee me doesn’t recommend. No luck unfortunately with using a Single camera to power both of the devices
Do you need both the light bars and the immersion strip for the optimal experience?
Or is using the immersion light strip enough by itself?
What's the advantage of having both?
Hiding one camera will be hard enough, two would be harder.
Hey there, both products are definitely unnecessary when used with a single device. The light strips are capable of immersing you on their own. Check out my final verdict for this video which highlights advantages of using both.
IM windering if that even can be used both. I mean the flow pro device has a single USB input. Not sure if the immerset set has more inputs
@@MrTekSuggest have you tried having the light bars behind the TV with your strip?
That's the only way I'd do it.
Having the bars either side of the TV like in the video just wouldn't work for me, I'm not sure I like that look.
Having everything behind the TV may be overkill though even if you turn the bars down by 20% like you suggested.
Living in Australia it's an expensive investment, I don't know for the price I'd see the difference having everything behind the TV.
Hi Can you tell me where did you get those videos to test the lights? i think they look awsome
Do you absolutely have to mount the camera on the TV? could you mount it to the tv stand instead for a more natural camera tracking position?
You don’t! Check this out: th-cam.com/video/HTnQrSpQy6A/w-d-xo.html
Hi and congratulations on your reviews. You know if I can connect an RGBIC strip to the Flow Pro controller and get the same effect as with the immersion kit? I think the bars need a little more brightness. Thank you and greetings from Mexico City.
Hi there, greetings! Unfortunately no. The immersion strips function with zones whereas the bars do not
Would 2 sets of regular light bars be best (brightest) kit for the buck?? Not looking at camera version bc I run 2 55" 4k tvees as monitors for my workstation. TIA!!!
This was super helpful. I’m really interested in the bars for my 43in tv but seeing that they can’t produce the separate lighting on each when in the video mimicking mode is disappointing. Trying to decide between going with the bars or the backlight which would mean trying to snake excess strip behind the tv
Really glad to hear that you found it helpful! My aim in making this video was to shed light for folks with dilemmas just as yours. With a 43 you'll definitely have to do some snaking, but it is doable. As for the bars, I'm hopeful that we'll get a few updates down the road to improve their video performance.
@@MrTekSuggest thanks for the reply, in your experience has govee updated their products a lot? I would definitely be interested in the bars if there’s just some hope they might fix a few of the flaws.
Govee does keep the app fresh with updates and bug fixes. Something like this would require a larger update than usual, if it is indeed doable via software. I will say it is easier to dip your toe and perform a test run with the bars than it would be with the strips. Because once the strips are installed, it will be quite a hassle to remove and return
@@MrTekSuggest thanks lots, I think I’ll go with the bars for now
I want to know where u got the funky triangular background wallmount ? Looks really good.👍
Do both cameras have to be mounted next to each other or can you mount one on top and the other at the bottom?
thanks for such great reviews, both this one and the immersion kit... I was wondering since this is a couple of months old, are now the bars able to display different colors?
man, you're miles ahead of me, just realized you made an entire new video on this, thanks!
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Dang MrTek…very comprehensive!
can you use a USB C splitter to the control box if you want to run both the bars and strips off the same camera to make sure they are getting the same info?
15:15 - they show same colour instead two different (left orange/red, right blue) because they both sync to middle of TV where mostly blue is present.
The bars have actually received an update that helps their performance since upload of this video th-cam.com/video/QiZ4rof-xg4/w-d-xo.html
Wow, amazing video. You cover all the bases and then some. Thank you so much for this!
Appreciate it! Glad it was helpful!
excellent review.. I had the same findings as you. If you have a reflective screen that can affect the camera's interpretation.
Thank you!!
In theory, can you use a USB C male to 2 USB C female adapter splitter cable to the control box to connect the light strips and the light bars to 1 camera and control box?
I'm noticing on the tv light kit in your video that it doesn't produce yellow.
And it doesn't track and place the other colours on the wall apart from BLUE.
Is it possible to mount a light bar at the rear top and rear bottom of the tv? I would rather have more color projected from the top and bottom.
If I am not using a sound bar beneath the tv like yours, do you recommend the camera for either light to be on top or bottom of the tv?
Hey there, I actually saw very similar perforce with the top or bottom mounted setup, as long as the TV was perfectly flush against the wall. However, when tilting the TV slightly downward (I have low seating), the colors performed better with a bottom mount, sound bar or not. Hope that helps!
Super helpful review! What song was playing during the comparison demo? Super sick!
Appreciate it! Glad it was helpful. Song: “Tak” by Bobby Richards
I have 43 in tv. Flow pro or immersion? Do they perform the same?
Hi Sir, in my country I can only get a pair of second hand flow bars however my TV is 65 inch. What would be the downside of using these if I mount them at the rear?
Hey there, you’ll lose a bit of coverage using the bars versus the strips for your screen size. The strips are also able to leverage multiple zones during video sync mode. Whereas the bars can only track a single color for each side of the screen. You may find this video helpful, check it out th-cam.com/video/QiZ4rof-xg4/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest thank you very much.
Which would you recommend for a 50 inch TV. I know you said the bars were ideal for 45 and below
Hey there, 5 inches isn’t too far from 55. If you can install the Immersion strips litter right on the edges, you maybe able to make it work!
@@MrTekSuggest ok thanks for the tip. I'm glad you made this video today I was looking for one talking about both kits.
I have a question would the light bar be best for a 32 inch monitor
Been waiting on this one ☝️! I have the strips on my oled but now I have the flow pros coming in on Monday to try on my 49in ultra wide this will be challenge forsure I’m thinking my camera won’t be able to be mounted on the monitor but we’ll see
NICE
Put it on the desk, you'll have much better control of the camera that way
Can I use this with a 100inch VAVA short throw laser projector or a 46in Ultra Wide Monitor?
Hey, I think the 46 inch monitor is much more realistic for these to get the best coverage
I think I'm going to grab this. Thanks for the video very well explaind. How did you get those beautiful colorful images on you tv they look amazing
Hey there, glad you enjoyed. Here is a good one! th-cam.com/video/Gt6wKDnG0xA/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest thank you
Hi again my man, so I have a question if I hook up two govee cameras do I need both set of light on back of the tv or can I just you use one strip ?
Hey man, if you RV is between 55-65, definitely go with the combo new model which only required a single cam for bars and strip. Review here: th-cam.com/video/mY_YC-TtNq8/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest ok cool but I have the old govee and new one with bars so would it make a big deal visual wise to use 2 cameras or no? Thanks again for responding
Where do you get all of the graphic demos that are running on your oled? Those are pretty sharp. Thanks
I couldn’t direct you to a single source fore everything unfortunately, but here’s a good one th-cam.com/video/J4pKA-U8p6g/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest Thank you kindly
Govee now has a kit to combine both while using 1 camera. Unfortunately you’re SOL if you already bought both kits separately.
If your TV is bigger than 55“ then use some plastic 90° angles to attach the leds to and mount them so that the leds are at a 45° angle facing the wall. I even did this with my 55“ OLED to get the most light out of it.
If you have an LG OLED TV the sides are already angled at 45°. So there you just need to glue the 90° plastic angles at the edge.
That sounds like a pretty promising tip ;)
Is there an Emersion Strip for a 32" or is the smallest 55" ??? Ordered the light bars for my gaming monitor, but after seeing this, i think the strips might be better, i dunno... Any Advice would be greatly appreciated please Folks !!
my govee light bar seems to lean towards pinkish purple constantly during most scenes, any idea why it does that?
Hey! Try bringing the saturation all the way down to 1%, and make sure that there aren’t any other rgb nearby lights that the camera may be picking up. If the issue persist, move the camera to the opposite position you have it (either top or bottom) and test again. If no luck I’d do a rapid replacement with Govee!
Where do you get those awesome demo animations?
Great review, did you ever think of comparing the Govee Immersion Kit VS Hyperion? Keep up the great work!
Appreciate it. I have not tried a Hyperion set up personally. I’ve seen a few videos on them though. What seems tough with this kind of set up, is that parts and software can vary and therefore individual results as well. Are you currently running?
@@MrTekSuggest Not yet, I am trying to decide between Hyperion and the Immersion TV light. I like the lower cost of the Immersion light but that camera is really an issue for me. Hyperion is more complicated but does support bigger tv sizes. I look forward to watch more of your videos.
Great video. I appreciate the detail and of course the pro tips. I just found your channel. I subbed.
Awesome, glad it was helpful!
I'm here since the lightstribes mkt working for my tv since it's to small ..goove told me the lamps would fit
What if you use a USB splitter. Have the two products feed off of one camera. Extra cables but one less camera. Thats the first thing I would try when I get the flow pro bars.
Hey there, I actually considered this at the onset. And someone else actually asked about this a few days ago. Govee advises against this, and I worry that the excess power load could cause damage to the control box
@@MrTekSuggest I see but if each control box has its own power source then it should be okay. Only damage I can see is maybe the camera, by feeding two control units light data. Even then if nothing happens I could see maybe colour accuracy and response go down by possibly light info getting lost. BUT Shouldn't a splitter duplicate the info and send it down two paths? If that's the case, it's a possibility it may work without a problem.
@@VexX_DreaD Ah, I was thinking along the lines of eliminating the second control box all together, and feeding both power and data through 1 control unit. This is something that, as time goes on, I'll probably get brave enough to try. But as you mentioned, the control box that uses the splitter may become overloaded with data and cause latency, to not only the added bars, but now to the strips as well. Bringing the whole ship down.
@@MrTekSuggest Oh okay I see what you're saying. Well I plan on getting the bars and the upgraded tv lights so i will try it and let you know how it goes. If it works no problem you can try it yourself and share it with your subscribers.
@@VexX_DreaD Sounds good!
Can i use these horizontal taped to the back of the tv cabinet??
Works with my curved 55” LG perfectly 👌🏼
Nice! I actually had the original installed on a curved 55 inch as well.
My tv is 43 inch
Somoene know if it's possible to cut the strips? Because it says only 55-70 inch
(Thank you)
could you combine 2 sets of the pro flow bars or sync another non camera bars that are longer for the top and bottom for smaller tvs
Hello! I just found this video, so awesome! Maybe is too soon to ask but I see a month has passed, did any SW update arrived or do you know of they are going to fix the color sync issue in the bars?
Hi there! And appreciate it. Not as of yet. I have reached out for an update in that regard. I’ll let you know what I hear back.
@@MrTekSuggest thanks a lot for the info! Anyway I went ahead and bought the immersion light kit first! But I'll be waiting for the flow pro bars feedback for sure!
What’s the difference between the 2 light bars in both kits?????
Awesome detail. GREAT production. Thank you. I had questions. I don't know. Thanks. Sharing this.
Appreciate it!
I got the bars about 3 weeks ago. Then this week I got the LG C1 55” oled. I was told that the bars wouldn’t work on a 55” and wasn’t clearly told if it was the field of view of the camera or the projection of the bars. Saw some you tube vids that folks were using them on 55, 65 and even 73. So I thought I would try to make it work. It does. I also think they got the color balance issue worked out since this vid was posted because I don’t seem to have those issues. However my tv is not wall mounted and actually sits about 4.5 feet from the wall. This may or may not help with that issue, I’m not sure. But I’m happy with how the bars work, like suggested, I may add the strips at a future date. Not concerned with it at the moment because I think the bars work really well. Something to think about with slim bevel tv’s like the c1. The bezel is way too thin to mount the camera at the top. The portion of the camera that mounts to the tv is about 1 1/4 inches wide so it won’t stick to the bezel of thin tv’s. A work around to this is plastic bar stock 1 “ x1” . You can cut a piece about 3 inches long and attach it to the top of the tv with 3m tape and then attach the camera to that. Just a thought. I mounted mine to my sound bar as I’m still waiting on the bar stock to arrive.
Hey man glad you enjoyed! Definitely check this video out for the best way to place your camera th-cam.com/video/HTnQrSpQy6A/w-d-xo.html
What video were you using for the presentation? The one with all the colors.
Here is a good one: th-cam.com/video/Gt6wKDnG0xA/w-d-xo.html
Should the flow pro have a software update to have independent light for each light bar? @GOVEE contact support govee?
Check it out: th-cam.com/video/QiZ4rof-xg4/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest THZ!
Could I use these lightbars on lg oled c1 instead sticking leds to the back of tv
-I’ll get the bars once they fix the issue where the bars won’t show the same color in movie mode. I have the immersion 2.0 which I love great. the next thing is I wish you can buy a sync box where you can multiple lights or even have the strips and the bars to connect to one box which will also allow for only one camera to be used...even if I would buy it as a sold separately item I would buy it with the quickness.
Totally agree. I actually talk a lot about this in my previous Govee video: th-cam.com/video/HgUM8DjP2uo/w-d-xo.html
@@MrTekSuggest -yeah I seen that video which made me actually go buy the immersion 2.0 ..I didn’t care too much bout the first ones but after your video I went and bout the 2.0 .
@@htownswagga Awesome
I haven't set mines up yet but can't they sync together or no? I have all govee products. Dreamcolor 1s should link up. I would imagine
Have you tried maybe using a USB hub to connect both light kits to one camera
I finally got around to trying this. And it was an unsuccessful project :(. The two cameras are required for the dual set up
@@MrTekSuggest well that sucks
@@Crewson1 Agree!
gonna try the light bars and the immersion leds behind my 75 inch tv like youve suggested here. Im from Australia so having to use an american power adaptor but none the less im fkn excited! thanks for the videos bro
Hey mate, greetings! Lmk how this goes. Definitely check out this video here for a camera hack to manage the 2 cams th-cam.com/video/HTnQrSpQy6A/w-d-xo.html