What Was Valve Hiding? - Steam Deck Teardown Reaction
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We finally got our first look inside the Valve Steam Deck, here's our reaction.
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To their "don't do this" message, as someone who designs and builds interfaces, messages like this have nothing to do with people who know why they can ignore them. Valve isn't talking to Linus or Anthony or any repair shop. Anyone who knows what a static wrist strap is and can intelligently discuss why you might or might not need one is not who that message is for.
That message is for baby Linus who's only built his first computer and it was under heavy supervision from an adult who know what they were doing. You warn that guy and telling someone why makes it more likely a warning will stick.
Think of it this way: You approach one line and see a sign saying, "You shouldn't cross this line." and then you see another line on the other side saying, "You shouldn't cross this line because it's a live-fire range and you will get shot." Which of those two lines are you going to pay more attention to?
This explanation needs more likes.
This. This so hard. Managers, in particular, need to understand why this concept is so important. You can tell your excited new employee "this is how it's always been done" every time they come to you with an idea about how to improve workflows, but doing so will only make them bitter and ruin your relationship with them. However, if you can explain the justification for WHY it is better to stick with the existing methodology, then they can better accept that reasoning and not feel like they're bashing their head against a brick wall.
*Preach*
Basically Valve devs are proud of their device and are excited to get it in the hands of fellow nerds - but then the legal department steps in to cover everyone's asses.
They are literally treating their users as uneducated idiots in general. Not in a bad way because it's true most of their general users (probably 95%) are just uninformed people who don't know jackshit about tech components and repairing
"Don't play with fireworks... however, it is cool" - Valve probably.
why not play with fireworks?
Yeah
@@TheMrR9 Probably because a lot of people had their fingers blown off, or had a rocket explode in their face....
Just a thought...
@@ivanbenja4 Some of those clips are so gruesome too... Gotta remember that fireworks are literally flying explosives made to look pretty. Flying explosives are generally not something to take lightly
@@TheMrR9 Fireworks are cool you just have to practice good safety with them
Everybody is freaking out over the replacement parts for the Steam Deck, but you clearly don't know Valve. A friend of mine got an officially sourced replacement olive for his Team Fortress 2 Sandvich replica. That is real customer service.
A officialy sourced what for the whatnow?
What?
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 sandvich
it's sad that we live in a world where things like these are special, but it made me want to buy one more now. As an example: I have never bought an apple product in my life, even when it was the better option, just because of the way they handle repairs and customer support.
@@IrLosin As an individual that has to interact with apple products on a daily basis, I can say for sure that I will NEVER personally own one, EVER.
@@IrLosin - Initially, I didn't get an I phone because they were AT&T only and I didn't have AT&T. In the years since they have been available to me, that's the single reason why I have never owned one.
Man actually managed to hear back from Valve quicker than the entirety of the TF2 community
I’m literally getting a steam deck to see if I can play tf2 on it 😂
@@thunderdoggogaming6368 the answer is yes
@@asdasd-ty9se the answer is that who'd play a fast paced arena fps on analog sticks
@@trash_girlfriend me, and apparently him
@@trash_girlfriend there's also gryo controls.
"People aren't going to be opening this thing up for fun"
3 Days after Steam Deck releases: New LTT Video titled "We Water Cooled the Steam Deck!"
and GN Steve will tear it apart 1h after launch
And they are flooding a heat sink in a kitchen sink or Alex just pours the water from the jar (he took from the kitchen) thru it.
Liquid metal Steam Deck
Which probably involves them dunking a giant heat sink into a bucket or Alex blowing into a pipe.
You could argue that that's going to be done for profit rather than fun though.
Although it's obviously a bit of both.
I think, to be fair to Valve, they're adding all the "don't do this disclaimers" to prevent being responsible for when someone who genuinely has no clue what they're doing attempts it and cites the teardown as their source and attempts to open a lawsuit; rather than being an actual "don't do this".
Exactly! They're forgetting the sheer power of a manufacturer saying, on their main TH-cam channel "here is how to open this".
Just the fact that the video exists in such a mainstream area of their channel, is enough to have a ton of people that don't know what they're doing, opening their device just because "Valve said it's my right and has a tutorial", so they're going ham with the warnings so that the kind of people that'd make stupid mistakes, will give up before they start and not cause damage to their system. The kind of people that have done the research and are willing to take the risk can see right through the warnings, just like Linus did.
I don't blame Valve honestly. I've literally seen people pry batteries out with sharp objects, that have then exploded, and you LTT are forgetting their own experiences; that while they think some things are common sense (e.g. opening a device to spray compressed air) their forgetting how they've cringed hard at inexperienced people pulling out PC components, snapping off tabs, for what is essentially adult LEGO.
@Bueno Sama9494 I’m sure they will. As they said opening the steam deck and breaking it from opening it. Isnt covered by warranty
@Bueno Sama9494 yeah but when submitting an official video breakdown. They are in the right to protect themselves from any possible outcomes… we have seen crazy cases from wild clams
A agree, it's the "we recognise you have a right to do this, but please for your own sake only do it if you actually know what you're doing and understand the consequences".
It's refreshing for a company to actually take this stance as opposed to the "we're going to make it as hard as possible for you to do anything" shance.
Yeah, it checks out as a "be aware of what you're doing and all".
Best thing I've ever heard
"I can afford to break my steam deck"
People often forget that just because Linus did it doesn't mean it's a good idea he can afford to break shit.
My music class teacher said the same thing about the keyboards we used. He said no drinks on them, and that he put his coffee on his because he could afford to replace them, but we couldn't. He was right of course.
i cant afford to break my steam deck... so, i cant break it while its open ;)
"amateur means for the love of" after a research i found that its literally the origin of the word amateur. wow each day we get more impressed with anton's knowledge. That guy is a myth
This changes perspective on many things.
@@starpilotalliance You don't say!
the olympics has always explicitly been a competition for amateurs
A russian word for amateur is literally a lover of something
Amazing. Yes, Anthony for the win, I didn't know that and now learnt even more
I appreciate how specific and careful they're being when talking about the risks, compared to a PC, people buying a steamdeck might have zero repair experience and it's better to be safe than sorry
A pc people ah yes the guy who failed basic English
@@josephstalin1802 ok keyboard warrior crawl back into your cave now and don’t come back
PC people wouldn't even necessarily be too at home in it. It's built more like a combination of a phone and a game controller than it is a PC
So if you plug Cpu and ram and gpu. You are an expert at repairing stuff ?
@agapp11able why would you need to take it apart to install linux? did you need to flash a bios on the chip directly or something?
In fairness, they're saying "Leave this to professionals." not "Leave this to us." I think the most important thing is that you can take a device to your choice of repair-shop.
That's a good point. They have already displayed that they are RtR friendly. So this is just the same philosophy continuing.
I hope they provide a list of approved repair shops in each country it is sold.
@@Mopantsu approved titles just jack up prices, not quality of service. Find a shop you know does quality work if you are taking in for repair
Yeah, I mean I'm sure places like Louis Rossman's shop would be more than qualified to do this sort of thing. They just need to not be prohibited by the manufacturer.
They're saying opening up steam deck can kill you
A note on the seemingly mixed messaging of "you can open it, but don't," remember that this is potentially a competitor to the switch, a device marketed to everyone from hobbyists to toddlers to grandmas. Anyone who regularly tears these things down will anyway, but valve probably doesn't want people to think you can just pop it open like an android phone's battery compartment.
This
"Android phone's battery compartment"
Sadge. I miss easy to remove back plates.
Valve pulling out the good guy card at time when we needed it the most. A lot of respect was earned through this video.
Linus: "I can see myself opening it"
Also known as "Dropping"
LOL
later in the video Linus: "people make mistakes"
Well, I thinks he can actually open it...by dropping
That's what's called RUD - rapid unplanned disassembly.
he's gonna pre-open it before so, as the guy in the video said, it crack open better when dropped
Kudos for valve for doing what every tech company should do: recognizing that if you buy a product, you own it.
Unfortunately, this is how companies are today, in addition to the fact that all technological products tend to become obsolete very quickly because they want to create a cyclical consumer market
@Amina & Hiba Show confusion but k
Except for the part where the games you buy on steam arent
That doesn't mean they have to offer you warranty if you open the device or tinker with it.
@@nullventura546 This is false.
Here's the interesting part: These companies, Fairphone, Valve, etc who are making their products repairable? Give it time for the generations of younger users to get used to these products and this 'right to repair' and you'll see the significant uptick in kids entering into STEM as they get hands on experience of repairing electronic equipment.
This something I didn't thought of that I completely agree on
Ooh i like that!
not really but ok
I got into stem a few years ago when I found and fixed a 2008 hp laptop, so yes I 100% agree
bro youre acting like theres not enough kids in stem like what
I love that Linus seems to forget that we now live in a world where Tide Pods have to have a "DO NOT EAT" warning label!
and.. are locked up as well! XD
Tide Pods have always had a Do Not Eat label
@@charlesblasini2134 yeah its used as a point even tho some kids can read but think it looks yummy
@@charlesblasini2134 ......uh.....
That was a meme by zoomers and boomers fell for it. Only one kid ever did it, and it was by accident making fun of the meme.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Steam Deck audience is much broader than the more technical LTT audience, and it's good that they spilled in so many warnings for the average kid that might hurt themselves if doing it wrong. I can see my 13 yr old self opening shit for fun without any regards for safety
My best friend, who has not built her own computer yet, pre-ordered one. So yes. This is accurate.
Not just kids, just people in general.
Well, it would be dangerous - only for yo wallet
I at 13 have opened alot of stuff and never put it back
@@eagle7015 when I was 13 80% of the stuff I opened didn't got put together again, just had fun trying to learn how it worked or just because
@@LithFox alright buddy, you know a female, no need to brag
Valve: "Noo don't take apart our hardware that would be awwfull *wink* *wink* "
All I got from that part is "the Steam Deck can end your life"
Valve: We cannot condone tearing apart this hardware"
Also Valve: do whatever you want, actually here's a guide for it
Valve: Please don't pull apart your machine... but its your machine and we did give the combined PC modding community + Linux Enthusiasts a brand new toy.
They do have to accept a lot of these units are going to be gutted, modified and rebuilt, running different software and probably being used in unexpected ways.
Its better than Sony who told people not to even change the shell on a the PS5, and DBrand releasing a product egging Sony to sue them :P
@@usernamesnull they're just giving you advices while saying "who am i to interfere with your life. It's not poggers but if that's what you wanna do and it isnt illegal, well then go ahead". And that's a really great move
@@Dublin_N That´s the reason nobody likes you.
Everything they said to deter you was required by their legal team. That was somewhat of a 'wink-wink-nudge-nudge'.
yep, they need to sayy that
The part I respect valve for is that when they are telling you not to do specific things in it, they give you a proper reason for how such an action could affect the rest of the device. Even if I don't fully understand it, it's a good leaping off point to do my own research into the subject to help increase my understanding of why they don't recommend it.
Making the whole thing available in pieces / "exploded form" would be such a major f you to Apple and Nintendo. I love it. Please do this Valve.
So turns out you don’t have to use government coercion.
Steam Deck is a standard, not a product. I call it Volvo-ITX.
.
Not happening
Major fu to most laptop manufacturers too
The ability to buy every part individually, that's going to lead to some some seriously cool aftermarket mods, custom cases and accessibility hacks!
Stronger processor?
@@VegitoBlackityBlack ding ding ding ding ding
Yeaah, imagine being able to mod and customize (what is essentially) a PC. Oh, wait.
The screws are designed for one single use. To never be removed and or replaced. The clearances on the device can be lost by doing this alone. You nerds already lost. Game over
@@deadpanfish there's ways around problems like that when it comes to plastic especiall. just put some drops of glue, let it harden and try to put the screw back and hopefully it will cut new threads. Has worked for me maybe 60% of the time.
I feel like the biggest thing about this is that.. clearly you guys know what you're doing, some people really, really, really don't. Valve has to protect themselves in case some idiot hurts themself.
Also this is the first time I've watched you guys and I highly appreciate the level of information you provided so thanks :)
Also lol, I want to pay more and build it myself hahaha
Honestly seeing how compact this system is it really does make the excessive warnings make sense because if it's your first time disassembling something you won't know that this particular system is close to an expert level teardown.
It’s the kind of thing where, if you know better, you know what advice you can ignore.
If you don’t know that you can ignore certain advice, then you should follow it. Totally fair.
Valve : shows how to dissemble the steam deck
Ifixit: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
Lol
@BIG ASS true
Valve: "You have every right to open it up and do what you want."
Louis Rossmann: "YES"
Rossmann**
Not only did he say you can open it, he also said they'd PROVIDE a way to get spare parts, as stated in the video this shouldn't make Valve stand out . . . but it does
ayeeee was literally thinking of him when i saw this LOL
@@DingleFlop even if it is just battery and thumb sticks, that will be better than pretty much any one else.
I hope to see a Rossman video about this in the next 48 hours.
Same. I love Louis Rossmann & Valve. :) I was gonna make a Rossmann comment, but you beat me to it by 31 minutes. Lol
I dont think the "dont open it!" was adressed to those with legitimate reasons but rather to those who are too curious for their own good or too stupid to understand, that this teardown is not meant to be done unless you have to.
I love this back and forth commentary. Anthony is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to hardware, and I love to hear his opinion.
And Linus adds the business side. He explains why they made the manufacturing decisions they have.
Both sides equally important :)
Valve: "You own your product."
Apple: "I'm gonna ignore that."
Apple: What is this poor people language you speak of?
Apple: “You want to customise your device? Good luck with that.”
nowadays you aren’t even allowed to own your product
Apple smells like my balls and I haven't showered in 8 days
@@flyingdutchman1352 LMAO
“Why you really shouldn’t do this”
*Proceeds to go beyond the 4th dimension*
Lmaooo
DONT!!!
@@veirfy We won't.
I've reported your comment for spam though ;)
@@viztiz316 thank you :) lol
I went to deep!
“Your fingers are the only real torque wrench you’ll ever need” Says the guy who bought an $800 torque wrench for the Threadripper.
You gotta excuse Linus, he's got so much cash he can't even think of enough ways to spend it.
I wasn't that interested initially but the repairability mentality that valve has with this makes me want to support them.
I agree with the aggressive "don't do this" stance Valve is taking. In the end anyone who feels comfortable was going to open it regardless. If you have any doubts about opening a device like this you ABSOLUTELY SHOULDN'T
It's called cya. Valve is just giving themselves some cover for when somebody kills their Steam Deck and sues cause warranty doesn't cover whatever mistake is made.
They're walking the line of "don't do this, but also, it's yours, do what you want". a cautious right to repair type stance, which is pretty awesome.
like linus said, if you can't tell with your two fingers the screw is done screwing in, don't use a torque driver, instead just don't open the device. that's like grandad or kid level, just jamming it in there with the might of Zeus... don't strictly have to hand it to a professional but simply someone that has screwed a screw into plastic at least once before, lol.
Also, the majority of the population could not or should not open it up on their own. However, the demographics for the Steam Deck might be more likely to have the ability than to switch owners for example.
As someone whos broken hundreds of devices by not knowing better yeah don't do this.
So happy to hear valve specifically state “it’s your product you have the right to do what you want with it.”Idk what it is about the steam deck but I am so excited for it!
More companies need to follow Valve's lead! This is awesome
The bar is so low such simple message can be so amazing. This whole video is like a clapback at Apple for their anti repair stance
I’m also excited for Linux gaming
Don't we technically rent games from steam though?
It's the smallest PC I know of that can play legit games, on top of that it opens the door for us gamers to kick Windows to the curb! Sadly not all games, my MMOs companies I doubt will work on linux at launch, but I definitely look forward to sitting in bed before I sleep playing whatever single player game I'm working on for maybe 30 minutes or something and then just going to bed. Instead of turn off whatever peripherals I'm using.
How can someone not be excited? I just hope w/ the shortages and pandemic build quality won't be affected, I'd rather wait than get something that is defective.
Bro at 2:50 Linus's eyes did a hard reset lmao
"Amateur" is often just used negatively although it has a much broader meaning. A bit like "drugs" (I take some every day because... medicine) and "protest" - Shakespearean characters protest their love, no negatives, no placards. Language is a toolkit many of us have been trained not to use to its fullest extent. Bravo Anthony!
"...You have every right to open it up and do what you want"
*iPhone 13 has left the chat.*
Hugh Janus
howdy
howdy
I mean, we still have the right to open an iPhone, but they don't want us to do it lol
Real shit
They actually give 3rd party references for components. Absolutely incredible.
Right to repair is an awesome thing, its finally happening slowly😅
@Jimbo Bimbo it should, but valve were one of the rare companies that does it
holy shit, Valve paid attention to the right to repair fiasko and did the exact opposite.
Thats why Valve machine is good way of investment
I like that anyone thinking "🤔 I could probably handle that" might decide against it having seen this video, but anyone familiar with these things will smile and nod through the warnings and get to work.
can we talk about anthony's spot on Gaben impression? i howled laughing at that
I love that the Valve rep emailed Linus back quickly enough that they were still filming the segment. 👍
Damn bruh spoilers
Ooor was it a "Pick-up" 10:41 since these guys are the pros
How to tell I'm looking for attention without telling...
@@bread8718 how bout u dont scroll through the comments while watching the video if ur worried about spoilers? u deserve it.
I guess Gabe is taking his "piracy is service problem not price" to the hardware level as well. If Valve starts setting these standards and they sell well, it will make at least 1 other company to mimic them, and it is a great, great thing.
You know I never thought about it but that quote is right, I'm a bit of a dirty on-eyed, pegleg yet I have bought almost all Valve games even though I could get them free.
I was thinking the same thing whole video. Their stand on piracy is: by doing a good business it will decreases, which it hugely did after they emerged in Turkish market. And I bought so many games on steam after I completed their pirated versions when I didnt have the money, just because I wanted they earn something from me.
@@CazRaX Same here like Ubisoft shitty connect or the unreasonable DRM.
The size of the boards greatly affects its strength, being that they made it drop resistant, small boards make a lot of sense
Why does Valve have to be the best company always? I am so happy they exist, they feel like normal people who happen to be good natured.
They’re really the only truly good and principled companies around in this industry.
Oh my God, does that mean I can replace just the part that is faulty and keep the rest of the hardware in the same working condition, thereby not only extending the lifespan of my product but the overall support lifespan from the company because of easily available repair parts meaning long term sales and support all the while reducing the amount of E-waste and stress on natural resources?
Kind of like the products designed by people "back in the day"?
Good job Valve. And I would totally buy a fully LEGO version of any electronic device.
It is a handheld PC, I had to have it because that is the PC world (not laptops, sad), the problems will be more than anything to expand the storage, even so everything else is pretty good
Absolutely, LEGO electronic devices for the win! (Framework-style :) )
Can't wait till I can afford an *AMD* ;) version of the Framework laptop and build it myself.
Yeah, Switch lite consumer are completely at the mercy of Nintendo and we all know shitty Nintendo can be.
Considering that Valve doesn't make a lot or even lose some money (at least for the cheapest version), longevity would be important for them to earn the money "back" by selling games. Otherwise, one would *switch* to another handheld device.
@@chenhuan6686 That's a good point.
"Together with my co-host Anthony"
*Happiness noises*
Anthony is always a win
Same!
Anthony is the best
le wholesome 100 happiness noises
Anthony is my hero.
The fact that they had the left joystick out for that small clip tells me that they did a more in-depth tear down but decided to cut it off after the SSD part.
One year in and I must say Valve choosing iFixIt as their official repair retailer is just brilliant.
I love that Anthony went from "Kinda around" to hosting lots of stuff, and co-hosting stuff with Linus. It's so good.
One day anthony will have his own youtube channel and surpass linus...
'Advanced Anthony Technology Pointers'
I actually like Anthonys videos More than linuses
Anthony is a force to be reckoned with.
Yea but he needs to loose a lot of weight cause that guy is NOT healthy
Valve: you had every right to open it up and do what you want
Apple and Samsung: *HISSING*
Valve: yeah you can fix it yourself
Apple and Samsung: *starts getting hives and having seizure while foaming at the mouth*
Damn, you guys were needlessly hard on this video. Also, my personal guess is that when Valve says "we are identifying vendors for replacement " what they mean is "we are attempting to convince a vendor to offer this as a retail replacement spare part because we do not want to operate the supply chain / repair process". You basically hit this but that's the main thing.
The more I see about this thing.. the more likely I am to buy one for every room. They're doing so well from every front and i respect their approach to this. Well played.
21:27 “Remember, if you have followed these directions correctly, you’ve done absolutely *none* of the proceeding steps.”
Missed the best part lol
"Here's how to do this shit...SYKE"
To minimize stripping out the holes when replacing self-tapping screws, drop the screw in the hole and turn it BACKWARDS with very slight downward pressure until the screw suddenly falls into the hole a bit. That happens when the threads of the screw fall back into the threads in the hole that they had previously cut. A good secondary test that it truly did fall back in (nearly) perfectly is to start screwing it in with as close to zero torque (twisting force) as possible. If it goes in 2-3 full turns with this nearly no torque method, you hit the old threads. Do this and you'll likely be able to remove & replace self-tapping screws many times without stripping the hole to the point where the screws stop holding.
Came here to say this, and no worries. Someone else already took care of it. Honestly this should almost be at the top of the comments. I've seen so many people strip plastic threads and once you know how to avoid it, it just seems so pointless and ham fisted when it happens.
It's good practice to do that regardless if they are screws, nuts, or bolts. Prevents cross threading and just makes it easier to start threading them.
eli5 pls
Agree. Totally didn't think to share this until I see this comment. It is just a good practice overall to ensure screw is going in straight instead of sideways, which might even makes it unable to unscrewed. Cheers!
thanks for the tip, would be useful for replacing my case fans later in life
I love seeing you fellas work together. You make a good team.
Mad respect for using an EVT unit to showcase this. That is a very early production sample, usually without texture and coatings etc!
To be fair to Valve, the "warnings" are most likely there to avoid any potential lawsuit.
Finally someone that gets it
Valve is bringing an unorthodox device to the masses, many if not most of whom will have little to no electronics repair experience. I believe the teardown video is very well done considering the audience.
Even if better teardown and repair videos get made in the future, this is still a great mission statement about how open they want to be with the Steamdeck
@Samurai Shampoo not unorthodox in terms of form factor, but in terms of integration.
I really enjoy how you encorporate other LTT staff, it creates a new focus point and is great for viewer retention
Shows that Linus appreciates his squad and I love that
Two takeaways: there should be an unwritten rule that you can only pause a video a few times to make a point and not 87 times: also, Linus is a two finger kinda guy!
"You go until two fingers can't go in anymore, and that's it." "Maybe three fingers" - Linus
Vincent Teoh from HDTVTest would be so proud.
LinusSexTips
After that just keep going and then you'll fit something big.
Valve: "When you buy it, it belongs to you. You have every right to open it up."
Bitten fruit: "We don't do that here."
Bitten fruit is such a intelligent comment, cheers
99% of the consumer electronics industry just did a simultaneous spit take.
Bitten fruit, genius
@@davidsmith7208 once R2R takes a hold in the enthusiast market, and becomes "cool" all of them will be clamoring over each other to "support" it, except apple probably.
Wait until bitten fruit fanboys come and harass you for being poor
Not only do I want one because it's cool, but simply for this consumer strategy. The fact that they are officially providing sources to purchase replacement parts, is simply amazing. Love the pro Consumer choice.
I've been holding out on the switch for awhile but since valve is offering replacement parts for already owned devices... I'm buying a Steam Deck.
Amateur=love, for the love of. Anthony must have taken his Latin class seriously. Mad respect
@kerosin fuchs No thanks
Kepala butuh tokwan hampa
@@thuanlai5537 phishing link beware
Maybe I should change my catch phrase 'fking amateur!', because I won't mean love.
15:31 That Gaben Impression was spot on hahaha
Do you regret investing all the time into pg3d.
"Hopefully it will have been worth the wait."
* look at Anthony's username in LTT forum *
@@MunyuShizumi weight*
That was my favourite part of the video.
I love seeing you two geek out over this thing. Great vid!
I’ve been really loving seeing more and more of Anthony!
Who knew watching two people reacting to a teardown video would be so interesting.
Anthony is there. It's almost mandatory at this point.
@@Liqtor agree
True I couldn't imagine watching anyone else watch a teardown
I mean, if it's theese two i would have no doubt about it.
My wallpaper on my Mac is literally from your website. lol Wild.
I have no idea why, but when a company like valve does this kind of stuff, it REALLY makes me appreciate their choices to do this kind of stuff, even when they don't even have too. Very heartwarming.
Ah!?! They just wanted in the hardware game. Good luck Valve. Xbox, PS5 and Nintendo's will be tough competition. But I believe in you. Who is your OEM partner?
@@stevelaw2000 its a portable pc. It doesnt have to compete with the consoles.
@@GamerRukario I understand that it is a pc, but I think it is still competition for them.
@@stevelaw2000 It will probably compete with the Switch but I don't think for the PS5/Xbox Series.
The focus on e-waste is only growing.
Increasing access to parts and information will ultimately reduce electronic waste. This choice has been made to assert green credentials before competitors follow suit.
this is crazy for a handheld, especially considering there are pc integrators using off the shelf user serviceable parts for standard atx desktops that still really really dont want you opening them up
These are the cells we use in rock crawlers. Often times in soft pack form. Right next to exposed gears and spinning drive shafts. Not to mention rocks and other sharp debris we are driving over under and through. Lithium polymer batteries are no more dangerous than lead acid or NiMh batteries. In fact catastrophic NiMh battery failures are more dangerous in my opinion. They can often explode sending the steel casings around each cell outward in pieces as shrapnel. The smallest bit of moisture can start the rusting process on the steel casings and the tiniest breech in the casing can result in an explosion.
"Don't open this up, we don't recommend it" - a lawyer telling engineers what to say to cover their ass.
I think it was the editor who shuffled the order of things.
No, they probably just jumped to the future by a couple minutes.
They traveled to the future and back in the portal under Gaben's desk.
Definitely after they realized that stuff like battery should be unplugged before disassembling the device. I've done this myself as well when making instructions to the customer, just not worth the trouble to start over when you forget something.
probably but it is a bit frustrating, it did not have to jump back and forth so much between steps. It is not that hard to edit something with basic sequence.
@@Qwarzz oh, that actually makes sense
I'm gonna share a BIG TIP FOR NOT MESSING UP THE THREADS ON THE SELF TAPPING HOLES:
what you want to do when reinstalling a self tapping screw on any substrate is to put the screw on the hole and rotating as if you were unscrewing it while pushing slightly down on the screwdriver , when you have reached the already cut thread you will feel the screw drop down slightly and sometimes it even makes a tapping noise. At this point you can screw it back in and it will follow the previous thread.
if it feels a bit hard to screw you have messed up since you're cutting another thread.
If they made every single part available as a spare, so that you could actually build your own just out of spare parts, I'd love to see Anthony build one - so we don't have to :-p
Anthony: "Amateur means for the love of"
We amateur you Anthony
amateur actually means lover of (thing)
@@dodecahedron1 Enthusiast
Amare, where amor comes from, means to love.
amateur babes
I'm actually glad to see the separate daughter boards. Having everything on one big integrated PCB means if just one thing breaks, you can't just swap the broken part.
It might also help costuming, if they get popular enough, someone will reverse engineer it and do cool stuff not possible with a single board solution.
Thing is to do it better then valve makes is not cheap to design and test, so the numbers must be right. So it's not a big possibility but it's there.
Totally agree, as a repair shop owner/worker I damn near dance every time I see a simple separate dc or usb jack on it's own. I mean it's done purposefully imo because the companies design team are fully aware how much stress is put on a pcb and "oh let's add to it with this huge hulking 3 inch long male plug just to make sure the jack breaks off the pcb. OOOHHH hey wait! I bet we can add a multicolor LED as well!!"
** you need swaps ALL
@Samurai Shampoo a man can dream tho, A man can dream....ohh yes that would be heaven
They want to give us the option to do so, while covering their asses. Good for them! If they didn't pad the video with messages telling us to be careful and to not do so unless we're confident, we're gonna have idiots shoving a knife inside, damaging the battery and then trying to sue valve. Seriously, good for valve. 100% back them up on thid
5:40 - Yeah, every time I open a PSU to clean it at least a little bit, I literally tend to stay as far as I can while blowing air on it cuz I think that this is the only thing that makes me sweat due to anxiety.
Anthony: "Amateur means for the love of"
Everyone: aaaaaaawwww
Linus: "And the thing is that nobody is going to open it for fun."
Me, who likes to open electronics for fun: *Sweating profusely*
heh. me too when i was a lad, spent decades since working with electronics either in repair or manufacturing.
Nah. He's just slyly calling you a nobody. LOL
Anyway so i stared opening it.
Thanks internet, I know I'm insane because I open most of my electronic devices for fun, but at least now I know I'm not the only one!
Am I the only one who's getting the impression that they are like covering valves ass
"Maybe System76" - Nod from Anthony - Thanks Linus for remembering us ;-)
Valve is one of the last "good guys" in the gaming and computer industry. Great video they made.
The safety stuff at the beginning seemed like a message to all the "smart" people that don't realize what they're doing could permanently damage their electronics and cause fires. (Like me, who ruined a PS2 and old laptop because I didn't know how to reconstruct anything)
Definitely also sounded like the legal team had a few requirements if an official teardown video was getting made.
Ruining things is how you learn though
I indeed learned some things, and I now respect more the process of disassembly and assembly.
@@Darkbuilderx i think so too, they definitely want to avoid any legal charges if someone decides to sue them because somehow, that dude manage to set the console on fire or something with "i followed their guide" as an excuse.
@@MarcLucksch Exactly - this is where competent IT people come from.
Love how they missed the closing statement that went something like this: "And now, if you have followed these instructions perfectly you haven't opened your Steam Deck"
I was just waiting for their reaction and then Linus paused just after the "these instructions" part and they never heard it... I feel cheated!
It was so hard to watch. They did that all the time during the whole video with the warnings.
@@TheMinigato and shitting on how they filmed it when they kept pausing and losing track of what was going on in the video. actually extremely frustrating to watch having already watched the valve vid
In regards to fixing it yourself: tightly packed devices are INCREDIBLY hard for the inexperienced to take apart and not break.
I used to have an MSI "Thin" laptop that I got specifically because it was thin. Turns out, the workarounds they had to do to get it so thin make repairing it a nightmare. Every component was squeezed against the chassis, so just taking off the plastic covering was painful to listen to. Then you're greeted with the fact that the ENTIRE MOTHERBOARD is upside down, so you have to literally disassemble the whole device to get at the storage or CPU, which I wasn't comfortable doing after pulling out the 10th or so thermal pad delicately wedged between components.
So yeah, you can do whatever you want with your device, but some people aren't smart enough or comfortable with small electronics.
Valve is so wholesome with their fans, especially when releasing a new product
"You go until 2 fingers can't get it in anymore" -Linus Gold
Linus Sex Tips
Linus made it halfway to the Vulcan Shocker.
Sex education video confirmed?
That's what she said! 😃
"Maybe Three Fingers"
Valve's approach with the console, their video showcasing disassembly, providing sources for replacements, and your time and effort spent making this video are all appreciated very much. This makes me happy in the same way content about other open source, right to repair stuff like Linux and Framework does. So good to see.
I'm glad Valve is doing this and that there is an option to open your device and fix it or replace SSD or whatever, but there is no way I'm opening mine.
15:31 That was the most impressive Gabe impression I think I've ever heard, might need to hire you as a VA sometime Anthony
I was on the fence about buying a deck until I heard them say that everything is replaceable and that the buyer owns the device; I instantly went and preordered a deck after that. Good on Valve, and I hope more companies decide to follow suit!
for me I was on the fence on weather or not to give up my reservation, I have the 650 one and I was like do I really want this? then i saw the tear down and was like yeah I want this.
@@jannie6605 how the fuck does this link get okayed but a twitter link gets deleted?
@@Demonologist013 true
@@Demonologist013 It doesn't follow they typical layout for a link, so it doesn't get picked up. You can probably post a twitter link, I post all kinds of links here(not twitter though), just break it up a bit.
I got a huge grin on my face every time they said anything pro repair
The fact that they are saying "leave it to professionals" could likely mean that they're planning on making replacement parts beyond the thumbsticks available to professional repair shops they trust to account for more complex issues. They never said "better to let _us_ deal with it." That's still vastly closer to where you want to be than Apple et al.
no chance in hell
Valve is not the type of company to ever have a genius bar-esque technicians on their payroll.
@@Peewma No - but they could easily make available circuit diagrams and the like for 3rd party repair shops
I interpreted "leave it to the professionals" to mean "leave it to people who know what they're doing", not "leave it to third party repair shops we partner with".
@@mduckernz That's my point. They don't want to employ those types of people ever. Too much hassle for little reward. They would ideally want other groups to make hardware, support, and install SteamOS on it too. They tried this idea somewhat with Steam machines and mostly failed.
Anthony got possessed by the lord Gaben at 15:32, damn near spot on impression.
9:18 - a note on ESD, while a failure due to static discharge might not be immediate, it can sew the seeds of a "latent failure," as its called, down the road. still worth considering when handling electronics.
I feel like there's an undercurrent of Valve having read the room a little. They're on the pulse knowing how contentious the right to repair issue is with modern hardware. Sure, they're not going to announce that you can and should but if you're experienced enough, you'll be fine.
Well Valve has been stressing that this device is a PC and one thing that PC gamers expect is to be able to open and tinker with their device. They really want to drive the point home that they see this device as a PC not an appliance or console.
Their opening minute of video was made to scare consumers.
@@runed0s86 A little bit a fear yes, but mostly just them going "it's on you if you break it, don't yell at us, but we will sell you spare parts".
Their opening minute was made to cover their asses from a legal standpoint, so people don’t go crying about messing up their SteamDecks cause they’re stupid
@@runed0s86 it's for the best, casual consumers will get scared enough to not do anything while experts will be confident doing things on such open system, both situations are good for the end user
ESD strip on rubber glove and the time jumps aside, I really didn't expected an official teardown ever. So props on that ^^. Also, the modular PCBs are good to take mechanical stress off the main PCB and they can release different revisions for you to replace if there are some Gen 1 quirks
That's very true, I didn't even think of the mechanical stress thing. Like having small gaps in the road on a bridge to allow for each section to move a little bit.
Its a special ESD glove though which has a graphite additive inside to make it conductive. It doesnt really matter if the strap directly connects to the skin or the glove. Normal gloves dont make any sense at all, as ESD would still be possible even when the technician is fully grounded.
The first thing I noticed was the ESD strap on the rubber glove, funny shit. Still really nice that they show you how to take the thing apart.
@@_--_--_ They mentioned in the video that the strap is over the gloves.
@@_--_--_ thanks, I was just about saying that. I think they mentioning about the rubber in the video, since it's easier. Otherwise they would had to explain about ESD and black gloves and graphite and all that. And not all black gloves are ESD save, maybe someone else would do it the same way and would do it wrong.
I enjoyed seeing this video for the first time with you both commenting on it from a professional perspective. Thank you.
Linus (2:42) : people are not gonna open it for fun ...
SpawnWave : so we are gonna unscrew this back plate and check out the board and it's components ..!! I have also ordered a second one just in case I mess up with that one.