What’s Inside Valve’s Prototype STEAM Console?
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Valve’s Steam Machine was their first game console, and we’ve got a prototype! But it’s broken… Can we fix it? And if we can, should we, or should we have left it in the past?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:26 But why did Steam Machines exist?
2:15 Basically PC consoles - They even made a controller!
2:53 Linus broke the script
4:02 It was already broken. Let's tear it down and fix it!
5:36 It's all standard hardware, but a very nonstandard chassis
6:58 The GPU is NOT stock.
7:49 This was so ahead of its time
9:40 Linus breaks the script again
10:53 Hardware was only half the problem...
11:43 HoloISO to the rescue!
12:42 IT LIVES! But it's not a good experience
13:53 Tragedy.
14:23 Controllers, old hardware, and shaders, oh my
15:29 What would a modern version without these problems look like?
16:58 Hang on... How did Valve plan to deal with hardware variations?
17:44 Conclusion - All hands on Deck - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
The grill on top of the unit... there should be exactly 300 holes in it. The one drilled larger than the rest indicates which unit you have. You have #78 of 300 (1:39). My friend had one equipped with a Titan for Christmas, 2013. Came in a small wooden crate. The controllers were a bit janky.
Lol.. That's a really cool way to label the numbers
Actually cool info. thanks!
@@maxzett and it won't rub off!
Neat ! Am I the only person who liked the steam controller?
That is a sick little detail. Absolutely insane way to mark that
I for one would support a new Steam Machine if one came about. The Steam Deck has been awesome!
I agree, and it would be welcome competition. Might give Sony and Microsoft a kick up the bum to make something I'd actually want. Nintendo somehow win in this weird future I've thought about for 10 seconds. :D
Console pricing assumes that the manufacturer will take a loss on each hardware sale (at least early in the generation) so they can make a profit on the software sales. I don't think Valve is going to pay people to buy their general purpose computers (which you can wipe clean and install anything you want on them, even ignoring Steam completely). So a Steam console will always be more expensive than an equivalent MS or Sony console. Valve is taking a small loss on each Steam Deck sold, because they can assume that most people will just use them as intended, as portable gaming devices, for which the Steam OS is specifically designed. But that same assumption can't be extrapolated to a console format. So, likely the only Steam Machine that will happen in the future will be one you build yourself and install Valve's OS on.
Steam OS finally is mature enough to justify a new hardware purchase for the living room that runs it. I really hope they see that.
Yeah. I put steamos 3 on my desktop with a Ryzen CPU and and gpu, it's been a good experience with steam Lutris and heroic games launcher. Not flawless (cyberpunk audio glitches I'm looking at you), but very good.
i'm running holoiso on a build in a fractal ridge, close enough
I am constantly in awe of Anthony's knowledge about PC hardware. Man's a genius
Looks like his hair's growing back as well since he's not as bald. Anthony winning left and right.
@@Aquafresh86 only covering it. You cant stop balding unless hair transplant
@@-..--. u could say the same thing about being a lawyer
@@Dgsrgv You clearly haven't heard of Minoxidil. it litterally makes your hair grow back. but you have to use it every day for the rest of your life or you'll lose all the gains.
@@Aquafresh86 still lookin like jabba the hutt
So nice to see Anthony making his way back into the videos. He always brings the good vibes.
Seriously missed anthony in some of these videos, hes honestly the most interesting and knowledgeable person at LTT ngl.
If I ever had difficult issues especially with Linux that needed sorting, I'd want Anthony on my team, anyday.
Techno Buddha speaks once more!
That jacket, though!
@@sierra715 Emily now, it's why they took a step back.
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Got em lol. Do you still teach?
Glass wire!
Build reducts?
Square Space
I love to do food videos while smoking weed on my TH-cam channel, to cure people’s boredom 😮
I actually appreciate them addressing sleeping on the steam controller - time has been really kind to steam's hardware ecosystem honestly, they've put in the work with updates and steam input is genuinely such a boon for everyone using something that isn't a keyboard and mouse
its the fake core gamers who are to blame Nintendo gamers went gyro and hands apart controller 17 years ago stony fans after endless attempts took 20 yrs to finaaly get gyro and xtards still dont have it wen steam went full ALPHA MALE WE LOVE NINTENDOS FOEWARD THINKING THE PC USERBASE WELL 90% OF IT TURNED ITS NOSE UP ITS RETARTD CASUALS WHO ARE TO BLAME THE WII REMOTE AND CHUCK APPROTCH SHOULD HAVE BECAME INDUSTRY STANDARD WELL OVER A DECADE AGO SONY PC AND XBOX FULL RETARDS ARE TO BLAME FOR THIS.....IN 2023 WE HAVE PS5 GAMERS ACTING ALL TOUGH ALPHA GAMER 17 YRS AFTER NINTENDO GAMERS EMBRACED IT NEVER GO FULL RETARD
They need to do a new controller release, the steam controller honestly works so well now but they're super expensive aftermarket lmao
And then on 12:45: they call it a gimmick.
I am about to become The Joker
The Steam Controller felt like a solution looking for a problem. I'm just glad the controller's functionality has lived on in the Deck. I'd love to see Valve make a Steam Controller 2 that's basically everything but the Steam Deck.
@@yourimpossibletoisgn Really? I bought one for $5 when they were ending them. But I rarely if ever use it.
Checking eBay, they do sell for more than that, but seemingly no more than they originally cost.
0:18 I actually had one one of these back in 2014-2015. With a RAM upgrade, better wi-fi card and a good SSD, it was a decent mid-grade machine for what I needed it for. I used it for around 5 years until I eventually built my own PC.
My friend got the alienware one too. Did you use it with windows mainly or with steamos?
I recall it dual booted.
@@siruski I used Windows 10 at the time. I believe mine it had some kind of Alienware UI built into the OS but I never really touched it.
Anthony is like a super hero who always shows up to save the day, even for old hardware which was way ahead of its time. Bring back the Steam Machine and make Anthony lead designer. 😎
Did you know that Linus has thermal paste in between his toes
Tasty
This is the unexpected humor I keep going on the internet for
I prefer liquid metal
@IkBenMejoe that's funny to you huh. We are doomed as a ppl
You don't?
My first gaming PC was an Alienware Alpha, which was essentially a Steam machine, however I used a default windows profile so it was more like a normal PC. It had an i3 dual core and 4GB of RAM. That little thing was awesome for Minecraft and CS:GO, which is about all I played back then. Once I got my current PC, I tried to wipe the Alpha to eventually sell it, but it never booted. It lasted literally until the day I got my new PC, then died. I like to think it held out until it knew its purpose was fulfilled.
The cmos battery probably died (happened on mine too). I upgraded mine to 8 gigs, eventually swapped to a stronger i3 (only because I had it), and pulled the original drive and added a faster drive for Windows 10. I still have it stored somewhere.
I have the I5 and purchased it from Fry's with the xbox 360 controller. I swapped the hard drive to a ssd, and have been using it for gaming since. I was exploring upgrading, but due to the GPU shortage, I was waiting until prices get a bit better. I would be open to exploring a Steam box as well. My biggest complaints are the wireless card being garbage, and no headphone port built in. Also, not supporting 5.1 surround as the handshake between TVs did not let me force it to send the signals to the tv (But the xbox had no issues with 5.1). Still, I could pack it in a suitcase, and take it with me on the road while working. The xbox could never handle the stupid hotel wifi login pages at the time.
Maybe Linus will take pity on me, and offer a cheep skate build PC...
@@gkjester did you use ant particular tool to insert your new cmos? i’ve been trying to get mine in for a while but i can’t
I'm still using my i7 Alienware Alpha, and it's honestly the piece of hardware i've used the most and never felt the need to change it, I get sick of cellphones and consoles every two years or so, but this computer jus doesn't give up after like 8 years
@@jamesscanlon747 I bought a replacement battery with the wire connector attached. Disconnected the old and connected the new one.
Honestly, all I can imagine when I think a modern day Steam machine, is just a non-portable Valve console type thing like the Deck.
Built in house by Valve, with a custom chip, aiming for roughly Series X/PS5 performance, but with your existing Steam Library, and honestly, I'd buy that.
I built a steam machine about a decade ago myself. I took some old hardware from work that was gonna be recycled and decided to build a homebrew box to mess around with. I used a dell precision server box with dual xeon cpus and four quadros that were good for the time. It was a fun experiment before junking the old hardware.
Watching Linus watch Anthony work is always a good video.
ANTHONY WITHOUT A MASK!?!?!!
BUT HES GOING TO DIE!!!!!
HOLY FUCK
Anthony didnt even stand 20 feet away on the other side of the room as if he was going to die the moment someone got near him!
ANTHONY IS ABOUT TO DIE FROM COVAIDS!!!!!
Yes! I love prototype/dev stuff!
same
Same here!
+1
Shit's rad, especially the more dated stuff.
ANTHONY WITHOUT A MASK!?!?!!
BUT HES GOING TO DIE!!!!!
Was just talking about this with a friend of mine. It would make sense for Valve to bring this one back at some point in the future, bundled with a controller similar to the layout of the Steam Deck. Great backwards compatibility going forward and standardized hardware for out of the box settings per game seems like a win, though some of the OTHER hassles with PC gaming like multiple launchers and invasive DRM are a different conversation I suppose...
The Steam Controller is my favorite controller of all time by far, as a person that didn't grew up playing shooters in consoles the SC is the closest to M&K experience, nowadays I use traditionals controllers only for emulation and 2d platformers.
The SC may not be for everyone but it clearly has a market, I would absolutely love a SC2 that "premium" materials and bigger buttons since those are the only aspects I would change de SC.
I really love the Steam Controller myself. Am at the point though where the rubber on the analog stick has been worn down though
3:44 "Thats not magic that's gravity"
Linus drop tips drops in again!
I love how Anthony felt like a special guest for this episode! Thank you!
He's always a special guest in my heart.
Anthony is the best asset LMG has apart from Linus himself. Better take care of him and pay him well because if he’d start his own TH-cam channel it would get a million subscribers in no time.
@@Ozymandias1 yep
When ever Linus needs adult supervision, cue Anthony. Srsly, while I don't distrust Linus - Anthony could have sold me an AC if I built an igloo on the North Pole.
I remember wanting a steam machine so bad but never being able to afford it. Years later the steam deck is everything I wanted from the machine and more.
Same here. The Steam Machine lead me to building a SFF PC with my dad when I was 10
Really good job at not letting the end of the video feel like the end. It just abruptly ended. I know its a good thing.
Got to say. Linus and Anthony videos are ALWAYS my favorite. Learned almost all I know about computers and tech from you guys. Thank you! Just finished my liquid cooled 4090 pc❤️ my first build was back in the Radeon HD days. Time flies.
I agree there the best, but let's honest if Anthony wasn't there Linus would've broken it more lol
I wish I was an Anthony but I'm just another Linus 😭
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As you said, this was ahead of its time. But now that we have the Steam Deck, Valve may not see much of a need to revisit the concept for a while.
They don't need to at all, you can dock the steam deck if you want
Actually this is more powerful than steam deck and should rekindle everyone's interest in new and improved Bossy steam machines.
If a steam machine cant be bought for 500$ or less and be powerful, it will always fail. Most people would just buy a ps or xbox at that point.
This was Steam Machine 1. The Deck is Steam Machine 2. Valve will _never_ visit this concept again.
Valve would be better capitalising on the Decks success and produce upgraded versions with better battery/better performance.
...and a new steam controller. Please.
14:40 If it was not done already, make sure to update your Xbox test controllers every once and a while. I remember trying to connect mine to my Steam Deck a while back and it didn't work. Connected it to my Series S and ran a quick controller update and it connected flawlessly to my Steam Deck, plus it also fixed some connection stability stuff on Windows as well. (The updating process can also be done via the Xbox Accessories app on Windows with the controller connected via USB).
i love videos where anthony is involved. it usually means high tech stuff i probably wont understand much but is still very interesting (:
As a beta tester, it is awesome you are showcasing this machine. In many ways the steam machine laid the ground work for the steam deck and I personally think it would be a fantastic idea for a dedicated vr machine in the future.
I have question. What about the rest of us that don’t want a screen STRAPPED to our FACE?
@@paulcarmi8130 headsets coming out this year are like goggles rather than TVs, give it a few years, and they will be more like google glass, but..good
Tell me please! Is there ANYTHING for Team fortress 2 that you tested?
@@paulcarmi8130 get with the times
@@denni8271 I’m more than happy with my tv, I don’t want anything strapped to my face
The Steam Machine got me into ITX/SFF builds. The Silverstone Milo series really got that form factor slimmed down, until NCase shook up the scene
What's the cheapest horizontal case that would fit a standard psu and low profile gt 1030 cheapest I could find is Silverstone for$ 78 ml04b
Yep. I ended up building a ML-08 build because of the Steam Machine concept. Still using it with a 1080ti. Juuuust starting to get long in the tooth now, really.
@@Durkhead For LP builds, off-lease HP/Dell business units might be the best bet. Is there any reason why you have to use a GT1030? The A2000 is a beast at around $250, might as well put your $$ towards a better GPU and use a slim desktop platform from the big boys.
@@namastyle I already have everything mb gpu psu I just need case I have extra parts from other builds and Wana make a htpc
Yeah that classic IBM/Apple PC form factor where you could basically have your PC also be your monitor stand has always been my favourite ever since the first PC I had growing up which was an old 386 from a bank.
The Xbox Controller connectivity issue is easy to fix: just update the firmware of the controller via the Xbox Accessories app on an Windows pc. That was an known issue with Steam OS and Microsoft fixed it shortly after the issue was coming up.
I want a Steam Controller 2 already! After the Index controllers and Steamdeck I can't wait to see how a newer version would feel. Still one of the best controllers made of all time.
Ikr. There are dozens of us! 😂
Waiting for this as well, I refuse to pay over $200 for a ten year old Steam Controller that is lower quality and higher price than a Xbox Elite Controller
Anthony really made this episode epic. Sometimes we just want to experience person's such as Anthony . Thank you for that. And thank you for the whole team
Anyone else notice it looks extremely similar to the the system that everyone was claiming could be a companion box for the deckard after the sepheroth apu revision was leaked?
They could probably do a modern, compact Steam Machine with just a R7 6800U, but it'd have to be cost competitive with the Series S. Valve is supposedly releasing Steam OS 3.0 official for general desktop use at some point this year, so you should be able to build your own.
i mean you kinda can already cus you can use deck ui on computer. i use manjaro and i can use deck ui although iẗ́s very laggy for some reason. i think it might be cause i use nvidia card.
I cant wait for the official os. Locking to 60 hz with vsync off in retroarch is a game changer.
@@nebulous962 Same thing for me on Arch, it seems to be software rendering the UI for some reason. And on a single CPU thread at that.
Best you can do for SFF PCs these days is using a RTX A2000 on an SFF Dell or HP. It's pretty cool but still a way less compelling offer than something like a Series S or PS5.
@@benedani9580 really? That's very interesting. 🤔
The issue with the xbox controller not pairing is actually because of the controller's firmware, happens on the steam deck too. Just needs to be updated and it'll work fine
xbox controler also has problems on just beeing used on windows...PS controller works out of the box, dont know why
@@georgwarhead2801 never had an issue pairing my xbox controllers to my pc, laptop, ipad, galaxy
@@georgwarhead2801 me and all my pc friends had the opposite i have never had a ps controller work smooth without emulating a 360 controller
@@leviathan19 the xbox controler got recognized by windows, but didnt work in ~50% of the games, never had this pronlem with my old PS4 controllers
@@Gizzor dont know wich controller you used, but the PS4 controler was compatible over usb with windows out of the box, just plug and play, for the PS3 controler you needed a software for conversion into xbox 360 controler. PS5 controler is also plug and play for windows
8:00 That case layout is *super similar* to what is used in the _Fractal Design Node 202._ 😎
16:32 I'm building something similar right now, a 4.2L case with off the shelf (but uncommon) parts, all listed below. But while I could have gone with a 100% standalone mini pc, I wanted to ensure that it also supported TB3 to pair with my 6900XT. The idea behind the computer (later named Aggromax) is that it can run games comfortably at 1080p when visiting friends, but can then run them at 4k when I come back home. It's still an unstable machine and I'm in the process of troubleshooting the eGPU mode, but it runs just fine on the dedicated gpu. Looking back, I would have rather gone with newer hardware, but I was focusing on lower prices while still getting that Thunderbolt 3 or 4 support. Not everybody will need it, so it's definitely possible to make this much cheaper than I did.
Parts and Pricing
Case: A09P 4.2L ITX Case ($58)
CPU: Intel Core i5-10400F ($110)
Cooler: Dynatron T06 ($65)
Motherboard (Aggromax's Special Sauce): ASRock Z590 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB4 ($167)
GPU: Radeon Pro WX 4100 ($80)
RAM: 2x 8GB DDR4 @ 2400mhz (Pulled from older pc, but likely costs around $40)
PSU: FSP400 Flex ATX with 80+ Gold ($135)
SSD: Teamgroup MS30 1TB NVME SSD ($53)
OS: Windows 10 Pro
Total: $708
Aww man, I remember being so excited about the Steam Machines becoming a thing. It was such a cool concept, and it felt like Valve had actually put a lot of thought into it. I was so bummed when it didn't pan out. I'd love to have it come back.
I'd love to see a steam controller with a right side analog stick. It would be my daily driver.
I guess the Steam Deck is the follow up to that concept and will likely have a future as it was a successful launch. And the SteamOS that can be installed not only on the Deck but on any PC. Of course without the tight hardware control from Valve it might not always work as expected. It would be nice to get an improved version of the Steam Controller, but it seems unlikely at this point.
@@HNedel Valve has a history of not really revisiting history.
Maybe a third party would make a Steam Controller-like, but I wouldn't expect Valve themselves to do it (hopefully I'm wrong.)
It had the same OS as whats on the steamdecks now, it just wasn't the right time because we needed Proton and DXVK and some other nuts and bolts to truly get Windows Games working on linux. The crazy thing is they could release basically the same product now and it'd probably succeed.
I was pretty happy, they waste money and nobody wants to buy a modified PC from them. Nowdays you have Steam Deck wich is handheld, so it's different..
I actually ran my regular gaming rig with SteamOS as a dual boot system back when it launched. Other than being very limited in game choices at the time, it was an overall good experience.
loved the rack focus shot between Linus and Anthony in the intro.
Gotta love the dynamic duo of Linus and Anthony! Like watching Laurell and Hardy (if they were personality swapped)
Wow, I know it sounds unbelievable, but this video made me realize that I have one of these 300 prototypes as my office computer! I remember reading the iFixit article about how the marked hole has a special meaning, but I never realized the interesting story behind these machines.
Noooo you actually installed Windows on one of these? You poor fool.
That's crazy, how did it end up as an office computer!?
@Squashyhex I am a graduate student in the US. A former member of my research group graduated, and he left me this desktop. I installed a Linux OS and have been using it daily for the last few years. The original GPU is reaching its limits, though. Most deep learning libraries have dropped official support for the last CUDA version that it supports, so it's been a struggle lately.
Hello there would you be willing to sell that machine mabey just the case with the ring light 😅
Free Geek is pretty cool. I've been there a few times. I recommend donating to them as well if you old PC parts so others can use them
I applied for the original beta back in the day, these things were incredible for their size, especially as we were still in the midst of the LONG lived 7th generation consoles. I still want one if an opportunity comes up.
Linus: "That's not magic that's just gravity"
Gravity: "Linus, I am your father"
The moment i heard that sentence, i knew someone will respond. Great
Flat earther : Gravity doesn't exist, only density.
& ANTHONY SURVIVED AN EPISODE WITHOUT WEARING A MASK!?!?!?!?! HOLY FUCK!
@@permacultureecuador2925 Say you're an uneducated fool without saying you're an uneducated fool.
Gravity: "And now we are a family again."
Just wanted to add that testers weren't prohibited from taking it apart. Many community members, myself included, ended up using the GTX 780 in our own PCs after frustration with the controller/limitations of Steam OS. Pretty sure I remember valve saying we could do whatever we wanted with it as well.
2:14 "we missed a lot"... nice words for "We were so caught up in our mindset that we weren't able to just think outside the box"
Im just gonna say Anthony has some of the best 4th wall looks goin. Sometimes its wry, sometimes its bewilderment. But always sincere.
I recall when the controller video came out how some people were pointing out how you guys missed a few things that made it great.
Glad to see it being recognized
the stream controller is shit
I own 3 steam controllers and likely spent 2000+ hours with them . But now so many PC games have added native controller support it makes Steam controllers less useful.
@@kerred Especially with SteamInput bringing the SC's programmability to most other controllers too.
Steam Controller is still the most comfortable controller I've ever used and the right trackpad is superior to an analog stick, and I'll die on that hill.
Anthony & Linus together in a video I love so much! All the hosts bring a different type of chaos to the videos and I love the absolute nerdy technical chaos these two have when in a room together ❤
@Anthony: you can access the Quick Access Menu on a controller by holding the xbox/PS button and press A (or cross on a PS controller)
I lost it when Linus dropped the line "that's not magic, that's gravity"
Anthony - “yu have the power to destroy things”
Linus - “that’s not magic that’s just gravity”
Epic response
Never stop being you, Linus.
I really hope that Valve will release a new Steam Machine in the future. One version, just like consoles and Deck. I would buy it immediately!
@@cykes5124 SteamOS absolutely can play more than "a few" games, geez; you think people are gushing about the Deck because it can run TF2 and Psychonauts?
@@cykes5124 it really isn't
@@cykes5124 sorry you're a wally. Consistently been Valves top seller for a year. The entire reason the Deck exists is to get people to buy stuff from the Steam store in a convenient manner. Valve don't make any money on the console it's the conduit to the store. SteamOS can play literally 1000s and 1000s of PC games. For a 'console' OS it has huge game compatibility. The complete opposite of Steam Machines and the original much much older versions of SteamOS.
@@cykes5124 PS4 and PS5 run on an Unix-like OS too. They have their own technology stack and use Vulkan like Steam OS. Linux (and Unix-like OSes in general) not compatible with most games is not the OS's fault. It is because of Windows' marketshare dominance that lead to lack of support. The PS4/5 and now Steam OS is the proof that you can game on any OS if a company aka Sony and Valve backs it up. A decade ago you can't game on a BSD, the same Kernel as PS4/5's OS. But now 100th of million of people game on BSD ( PS4 and PS5). That's the same impact Valve do with Linux exept that Linux is more used as a Desktop OS than BSD which is even better.
PS: I forgot. Android runs on Linux Kernel too. And the Mobile Market is the biggest market in gaming so Linux is the best OS for gaming in this perspective
@@cykes5124 A) Linux is a kernel it's only a small part of the OS. SteamOS IS a console OS, it has modifications not common in a standard desktop Linux based OS.
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C) Valve have made improvements within DXVK as it's a Vulkan based version of DX9-11 that are not possible in DX without a total rewrite breaking compatibility it's why DX9 games and older DX10/11 titles will often run quicker on Linux.
13:55 there is so much past history embedded in that question, one which I am sure has been asked of Linus a million times.
Anthony is one of my favourites. A lot of people might say it, but it’s probably nice,, from an information standpoint I expect to hear something good and also anticipate being able to trust that evaluation; it’s informative and not a pun or abstract joke
Heck yeah! What an amazing shout-out to my friends at FreeGeek!
I actually really like their steam controller, it's unusual for sure but after getting used to it, it's quite intuitive for many games
I love my Steam Controller. You are right that it takes some getting used to but it is great once configured for your needs.
Also a steam controller lover, it's just a shame they got cancelled and are so expensive now
@@eironbull The last time I looked on eBay they were going for roughly DualShock 4 money, have they gone nuts since then?
@@406Steven I looked a while ago and they were way up there in price. I just want a decent trackball as my right stick though...I know they are made but I grew up mouse and keyboard and can't aim with a stick well enough at all. Touchpad is a good second option..I just want the trackball - I was more precise with one of them than an actual mouse! good old Unreal tournament days :D
I agree. I don't play many games from my couch, so keyboard and mouse are my preferred control scheme, but the Steam Controller is amazing and a great piece of tech. There was a short period of time when I was couch gaming and it was great for playing PC games where the devs didn't care about controller support. The only reason that I don't use it anymore is because any time Mouse and Keyboard is an option, it's almost always the right choice. Only platformers/metroidvanias benefit from a controller/gamepad. And all of those support some sort of game pad control (or rarely I might use something like AHK to rebind gamepad controls for games where the devs didn't implement rebindable controller support) so the use case for the Steam Controller is really only when you want to control a game without controller support from somewhere that a keyboard and mouse isn't feasible. Which for most PC gamers is a really narrow use case.
I've always loved this case and was very disappointed that it never became available. I still would love to build an HTPC in it.
You could probably design it in CAD based on its appearance and get it 3D printed by a metal 3D printing outfit.
the case is nearly identical to the node 202
I think bringing some console-like uniformity to the PC gaming space has a lot of potential. One thing the Steam Deck definitely has going for it is that users have a very good idea of a how a game will run/perform (or won't...) on the console, which takes some of the guesswork and user unfriendliness out of the PC gaming experience. If Valve brought these back with, say, three tiers of performance (e.g. 1080/60, 1440/60, 4K/60) and limited the hardware options/variations so that performance is pretty consistent and reliable at each tier, I think plenty of people would be interested. And they could certainly hit a roughly $400-500 USD price point for the "low" tier and directly compete with consoles (especially if they implemented system-wide FSR 2 or 3), not to mention offer upgrade paths for tinkerers (i.e. buy the 1080/60 machine, swap out a compatible/verified GPU that fits when you have the cash, or upgrade the CPU to something with more cores, or upgrade to a faster SSD, etc.).
I remember the steam machine. Then they realized a steam link made more sense. Then the steam link sales made them realize steam remote play on an old laptop makes a LOT more sense.
I owned a steam machine for a while. I downloaded windows onto it and used it as my main gaming PC for years, only upgrading it in 2020. It lasted me a long time and I still have it as something to travel with. I would love for them to make a come back.
I still love and use steam controllers. The problem with them was the learning curve. They worked decent enough in standard layouts, but with the bazillion things you could do with them, people were sure to start messing around with the settings. As soon as a person started doing that, it was a guarantee that they would screw things up at first. Here is where soooo many people just said 'to hell with this'. But if you actually learned what you could do with them and started making your own configurations that were not broken af, you quickly learned that no other controller came remotely close to its ability to be tweaked to whatever you defined as perfection. If you took the time to do it.
As a bonus for me, this made it even easier for me to jump onto the Steam Deck, as I was already well at home with most of the controls it has. Not that it would have been hard in the first place. I have no loyalty to a single brand or style or anything of that nature, nor do I ever feel tied to a specific control setup (though obviously some devices are better for certain things, flight sims and HOTAS joysticks for instance). So perhaps I can jump from one controller to another better than other people, but I still think that the Steam Deck controls are perfect for anyone, not just people such as I.
yeah its amazing, i remember setting it up to trade with someone in path of exile and then send them a nice thank you message with one button on an alternate profile
I agree as well, steam controller feels oddly intuitive to use in many cases. I also loved in particular Valve's solution to typing with the controller, giving you two independant halves of the keyboard to tap felt so much better than any other controller keyboard layout I've ever used.
@@squashyhex9818 I really like that method of input as well. It takes about 3 seconds to learn how it works and before long you are cruising.
I remember my steam machine! I got a W trade swapping my Xbox one for a Alienware one that was worth almost double 🙌 Back in my bartering days 😂 These were a great idea just not fully thought through or executed especially with modular components.
I'm always checking out ETA Prime for this sort of thing. I seriously want to downsize my PC, maybe even have two identical spec small form machines for the living room and the nerd room
Hearing Anthony even mention Welsh people has made my day. You never expect 'foreigners' to have heard of our tiny little country. As if I needed another reason to love Anthony!
I remember this, I was really disappointed, that I didn‘t get picked for the beta. The steam machine prototype inspired me to build my first ITX pc in the Silverstone ML08.
Little known fact (although they did talk about it during development) but the Dr. Zaber Sentry series of SFF cases were originally designed to be Steam Machines. They very clearly have an almost identical mounting solution for the components, as well as a similar size. The big bonus being that it is just a case so you could outfit it with whatever hardware you wanted, although it looks like this Steam Machine prototype could probably accept just about anything current as long as it physically fit.
I didn't know that, and I own a white Sentry from the very first run! (And gave a ton of feedback during development.)
I notice a number of differences between the Sentry and the steam machine chassis, though - mostly that the Sentry is smaller due to using the body itself as the case frame, and is also built like an absolute tank with very thick metal.
@@softxpandguest708 Yeah, the Sentry really is a beautiful little brick. Lol. Being made entirely of steel it is crazy heavy for no bigger than it is, but I never have to worry about anything ever happening to my Sentry 2.0 because of it. Currently trying to hunt down another one to mod to shoehorn a 4090 FE in.
I appreciate the Mappy-Land call out so much, thank you.
About 14:00 I feel like Anthony was going to address our issues with Bluetooth with Steam Deck/ holo. Has had issues, now have mainly been patched.
Just want to point out that to access the right menu on Steam's new big picture (so SteamOS 3.x by extension), you press Logo+A (Steam+A, Guide+A, PS+A).
There's no Vsync labeled option but you'd probably be looking at the "Allow Tearing" switch.
with keyboard control its control + 1 for left menu, control + 2 for right menu
works on deck with keyboard and new big picture mdoe
The Steam Controller is awesome. The problem is that you forgot what it was like to learn how to use a controller for the first time. It's actually easier to learn how to use the Steam Controller than it is to learn how to use a dual stick controller. I actually first used both styles at basically the same time. If people had given it the same amount of time that they had originally given to a dual stick controller they would have found it better in many ways.
To be fair valve killed it before it got anywhere.
I remember being excited to buying one, they teased the controller in my country for a LONG TIME but it never actually was available for purchase here.
Yes, but the true power was the mapping software behind. Where you could map the touchpad to work as a mouse while the stick still works as a Gamepad stick. Also, on the right touchpad you can configure an on screen menu which could be a grid or a circle, where you could trigger buttons. I used this to directly trigger magic spells in Witcher 3. Even today I still use my Steam Controller for some games (currently Divinity Original Sin 2 ... just perfect for this!).
Yet for some games it was not good, like racer or flight sims and such.
Truth.
I actually remember how much people bitched when Sony introduced the very first dual shock, for the PS1. I remember a lot of my friends disabling the analog sticks in favor of the d-pad, in most games of the era. These same people now say that never happened. :p
I still have mine and it is the most comfortable controller. Community mappings are mighty!
The steam controller still is awesome. Our community provided so many of the unique profiles people are using on the Deck today. Even now the Steam Controller discord is still active, although now it's more about steam input to include the Deck and other controllers.
I REALLY appreciate all the digs at Valve's game game development
Please make a recent guide on an external GPU as that would be very helpful. but the steam machine seems like a great prospect for steam!
Its neat how the Fractal Design Node 202 has nearly the same internal layout as the Steam Machine.
Since the prototype was made of mostly off the shelf parts, aside from the custom bits, I basically built one for myself. It was a really nice build too.
Couldn't help but grin when Anthony came into frame. Such a likeable guy
girl?
Shoutout to the Keychron K4 you're using. I use it for my Mac and Steam Deck. Great keyboard.
Linus absolutely struggling for a rebuttal to Anthony’s “You’re just calling people poor, Linus” was gold.
It sucks that no one put the time in to learn the steam controller. It's truly amazing for pc gaming.
The first trick is remap x and a to the back paddles . Now, you can interact without taking your hand off the trackpad. Then, adjust the spin rate and threashholds of the trackpad.
@hello For real. I'm running KDE Wayland on Nvidia and I could consider it more stable than Windows, even with occasional freezes of plasmashell and kwin_wayland's vram leak. I will take that over the Windows settings menu being all wrong and completely unusable, incompatibility with hardware such as Switch controllers without a funny driver and a third party application for some reason, still no proper dark mode, and other general jankiness any day.
Thanks! Your content is awesome, Linus!
I have one of these! It was a life changing experiencing getting one! I was only 16 years old and wanted to desperately playing PC games but couldn’t afford one. Valve gave me a super (at the time) high end PC for FREE! along with every Valve game and a cool badge on my Steam profile! I still have all the original components, box, and beta controller! We were actually allowed to do anything we wanted with the beta Steam Machine so I literally just installed Windows 7 on it, and then 1.5 years later I took all the components and put it into another case.
Did you keep the original case with the ring light or is that what you sold 😅
5:11 I'm a little surprised neither Linus nor Anthony were aware that those 2 PCIe pins are just extra ground and sense and not really necessary for that gen GPU. That said, it's still better to fix the pins than to leave them mashed in.
James doing the sponsored segments is more and more starting to sound like the guy on the PBS channel that thanks you for your support.
00:55 i was gonna say Anthony , but u continue and said it !
Anthony and Linus are the dynamic duo we didnt know we needed.
This is my favorite kind of LTT content. Y'all should do more things like this
You should give ChimeraOS a try. I hear it's much improved and could be a better option over HoloISO.
ChimeraOS is nowhere directly related or even similar to HoloISO, they're not comparable.
@@kerichuu Yeah they're entirely different distros, but who cares if they're not directly related? They perform similar functions and Chimera's latest version looks pretty much like SteamOS3 now... so I think they're absolutely comparable since you can use both to make a Steam console.
@@kerichuu they are a lot closer today after the last few updates than ever before. In benchmarks they score higher and if you set them side by side you will not see a difference. HoloISO is a joke, little no development by the so called developer. All they did was take the recovery image and make it bootable. So tired of seeing this lazy steamos distro getting so much attention. HoloISO sucks
My old computer had the same bios, just seeing it in here in broken stage gives me the chills
At 8:34 when Anthony went “oh, got ‘em” it sounded like there was some concealed pain lol
The level of detail you guys reached with this troubleshooting omg. Top of the line. You are absolutely the tech best channel. But you already knew that
Valve needs to release a Steam Controller 2.0. With the MANY updates over the years to the software, the Steam controller has become FAR more than just a gimmick; it's become an incredible input device with seemingly endless customization. I'm so happy I purchased 2 back when they were like $30 because they go for literally hundreds in the aftermarket now. If Valve where to produce an updated controller, I'd absolutely purchase two more.
That would be great even just for people who already have a Steam Deck and don't want to have to give up the touchpads and grip buttons when they want to dock it. I wonder if Valve just doesn't think people ever use their Decks docked.
@@stevethepocket Yup, I use my Steam controllers with both my PC and my Steam Deck when it's docked. My Deck has basically become my new bedroom TV gaming console.
They don't have to cost hundreds after-market, that just what some people are trying to get for them. You can find a _very_ lightly used steam controller for ~$50 on ebay if you spend a bit of time searching.
14:35 - Xbox One (S) controllers on Linux through Bluetooth generally require a third party driver that isn't in the Linux kernel. Valve might have patched that in, but the Arch wiki is always great for these kinds of issues.
I literally have a stack of Steam Machines and Alienware Alpha R1s. For a while, they were absolutely awesome bang-for-buck on the after market.
When you say a stack of steam machines are you referring to this exact model
@@alicestobart3121 No, Steam machines from 6-ish years ago. They were made by Alienware/Dell.
I would love for them to bring back steam os for general use. That would be my gateway drug into Linux. Still my only problem is I need windows for certain games like valorant, but if steam somehow natively supported some way to get plugins for all retro games. I would have a steam machine for everything else my computer couldn't do or could do. Lastly, assuming they could do these things they might finally be able to have some partial fixes for cheating and bots, solely because they would know their OS inside and out giving them insight on potential spots to patch.
To use this X-Box controller in the Steam OS/HoloOS you need to upgrade the controller's firmware using the Windows machine and some additional Microsoft app. Same issue will happen when trying it with normal Steam Deck or in macOS; needs a latest upgrade.
LOL, I've had to put in some cards in some pretty funky ways. I remember hammering one over like that to make a full-height card fit a half-height slot. Funny to see it done that way in this box.
Love seeing Anthony in a video dude is insanely chill
Hey LTT! The compositor crashing could be the new NVidia Driver not working with the old GPU. Or the new XORG stuff not working with the old gpu/driver. You might want to try installing ArchLinux and do the work that way. (Id be willing to install and get it working via SSH-)
13:12 just to confirm, Anthony is correct. Gamescope uses Wayland instead of X11 and Wayland gained the ability to disable vsync only recently!
Hey Free Geek nice that place sometimes has some cool tech here in MPLS.
I'd love to see a new Steam Machine in the form factor of something like a NUC or a bit bigger. Also, I LOVED the Steam controller and still use one to this day. I want to see them rebuild it with heavier duty materials, rechargeable batteries via USB-C... it could be amazing.
I have been thinking about this since I picked up my steam deck. I 100% believe Valve will use what they learn with the deck to give steam machines another go, even if it is just an official image for people that want to make their own linux gaming systems with a configured OS.