I’m in my 71st year now and ever since I was a young boy I have loved model planes. I can sit and watch these videos for hours rather than the rubbish on TV today. I started a Nano Talon build with the Matek F405 Wing a couple of months ago and am almost ready for its maiden flight. Wish me well. 🙄. It’s people like you that inspired me to have a go. Never too late eh?
Nice! I hope by now that you've enjoyed flying your Nano Talon. I flew mine just yesterday and again today. It can be very difficult in a stall, otherwise is a fun milk jug to fly!
I enjoyed the thermal riding. best video I have seen actually showing the behavior of the plane when you go into a thermal. In the states we call those South Dakota/Montana clouds. Beautiful day.
Seems to fly quite similar my Phoenix 2000. Feels slow and lazy when manoeuvring around with plenty of adverse yaw, but absolutely comes alive when in a thermal and will readily disappear from view in short order. Gotta love those blow modded fuselages too. Nice vid👍
just got one andrew .will put it together soon. absolute brilliant and informative video i would have to mark that 11/10 happy flying ......dave jackson
Hi Andrew Mine arrived this morning and will fit a Zohd kopilot as it will help with teaching the grand kids when the weather improves here in the north of Europe. Always look at your vids you do great work thanks.
I put Arduplane on my ASW28 a while ago, nice to have the peace of mind if things get a bit carried away :) It can loiter at 3 amps on 4S, the OSD is almost as good as an audible vario.
Love this plane! But then I'm biased. All year so far I have been trying to get a sister ship a Volantex ASW28 to fly properly with no success plus nothing but trouble (mainly my fault) with 2 Parrot Disco drones. So wow! This one is just so easy to fly. Firstly the build, compared to the ASW28 it is miles ahead. The canopy is the best I have seen in 18 years in the hobby. Snaps on, snaps off. Nice hinges fitted to ailerons and flaps. Good God that's unheared of. Blow moulded fuse - great. Foam just doesn't compare. It can survive a hard nose in without a dent. With foam you will spend 10 mins picking up all the bits (don't ask me how I know that). And flying? Just love the way it floats so well. I'm sure it could thermal on a camel fart and slope in a faint breeze over a 5mtr sand dune! . Tomorrow there's a 30k Sou Wester at Flinders Golf course so won't even use any mah for that. Batteries? Hate li pos, so will go for 3S1P Li oN, 4800mah, 30A cont. as they are lighter, cheaper, smaller than Li po as well as lasting a lot longer www.lazada.sg/products/panasonic-ncr21700t-4800mah-37v-21700-rechargeable-lithium-power-battery-high-discharge-high-drain-li-ion-batteries-hd-cell-i1723151453-s8473172152.html?
For a few seconds at the beginning I almost hated you Andrew. I think perhaps it was the temperature differential - It's -2°C here....... But you have flies and I don't :D That Phoenix flies great. Went up in the thermal beautifully. Gently tippy so may be "interesting" on a slope.
Great video Andrew [as usual]. The platform flies great. I guess I cannot see to much of a difference between this one and my Phoenix evolution set at 2.6 M. Hope you are enjoying your summer because we sure had a hot one. :) Greetings from Florida USA
Gday Andrew, very nice flying and glider, mate you've inspired me to dust off my powered Diamond 1800 glider and setup on my DX6i, I'm getting bored with my drones, so cheers for that! Enjoying your videos glad I stumbled upon you, the area you are flying looks very similar to where I'm living? And the flies! I bought a fly mesh cover goes around your hat from ebay for a couple of bucks🤠👍 Cheers mate!
Yahoo Clinb rate looked great not sure how much stick you had on (3S). Can understand tip stall on slow turns with a 2 kilometre wing span though, but it did not look too drastic!! Happy that you did not try and catch it, at 1.6kg if you miss good night. Looking forward to the 60kmph wind slope soar test!!! Cheers
I do enjoy these vids so much. Both you & Allen seem to get the best out of your birds & share your knowledge. Only complaint is your not sharing the magical Geelong water. Let me know if you will start bottling in the near future.
@@AndrewNewton I know this is an old post, but I just got the plane. Your vid Balance the plane 80mm from leading edge. Is that what you are good with?
Hello from Spain. I´m enjoying watching your build and fly videos on this plane. What were the final throws on the control surfaces?. Nothing is listed in the manual, hope you can help me with this and thank you in advance.
Nice, though I wonder about wing incidence. I changed my ASW28 with about 1.5mm of packing pieces under the trailing edge of the tailplane ( horiz stab) and it made it a much better floater, really, much better. Though a mod like that will be more comlpex to achieve on the Phoenix.
Magnificent Mate! Do You Ever Put Snips Of Red Yarn On Your Gliders Wing Tips or A Thin Silver Streamer Off The Tail For Seeing Air Lifts? Thanks That 2M Hacker Vagabond Is Twice That Weight? I'm Putting A 4246 w/890kv & 6s, Should Be A Screaming Acrobat! They Mailed It Today! LOL
@@AndrewNewton Yea I've Seen That One Also, But I Found One Called The EXTREME-ELECTRO, Got It For $50 Is A Pre-Built/Covered ARF 2020mm w/Wheels & Large Molded Vertical Wing-Tiplets, Kinda Like A 3D Motor Glider? Link ---> www.ebay.com/itm/Hacker-Model-Vagabond-XL-Glider-ARF-HKPA5000-BOX-DAMAGE-NO-RESERVE/163430290288?epid=1042739023&hash=item260d345370:g:xCcAAOSwwhxb-Hhk:rk:1:pf:1
Are you saying that the ailerons are not enough to turn the glider and change course. I have the Phoenix 2000 which I mix the ailerons and rudder together and it works very well. I am looking at upgrading to the 2400 but your comment concerning not being able to turn with the ailerons only has my attention.
Hi Andrew, great video as always. In your opinion which is a better thermal soarer out of this one and the ASW 28 from volantex? I’m hoping to do an INAV FPV electric thermal soarer and like the amount of space in the fuselage of these two gliders. Which would you choose? Or any other suggestions? Many thanks.
@@AndrewNewton thanks Andrew. Guess that’ll make it a better FPV rig too, loving the FPV gliding at the moment with my Zagi conversion but fancy a motor for flat field soaring. Shame the ASW28 is prettier but I guess I won’t be looking at it that much(!)
Anyone else noticed that the rudder is pretty ineffective even though it seems large enough and seems to move a decent amount. Just kicks the tail out momentarily and then very very slowly turns. Very little authority. Yet the elevator is the opposite, very pitchy.
It's a good looking plane for sure but I wonder if that wing section is maybe a bit thick for good efficiency when gliding? Perhaps more suited to load-carrying on the Ranger 2400? Will be interested to hear your views when you've flown it more.
Andrew- i just ordered one for myself- which Phoenix models do you like best? Which is the better sailplane, which is fastest? Lowest sink? Best to fly? Do you know if other V2 wings are compatable?
Great video Andrew. I,m a big fan of dihedral just don,t like flat wings shouldn't be too hard for me to apply some when my Pheonix 2.4 arrives what are your thoughts?
Hi Mike the Dihedral shouldn't have any consequence to the ailerons or flaps as its built in to where the wing halves join just builds in inherent stability as in the full size sailplanes.
i just got one of these, and tried using a 3s 220o mah battery about 191g and pushed all the way forward and according to the cg, it was still very tail heavy, So i flew it with two 3s 22oomah about 1" from the front and she flew great. Curious what others have experienced as well.
I somehow hope that the wider wing area is not responsible for the plane trying to tip stall, or is it more like an CG-issue. But I guess, everything is difficult to tell at a maiden... would be also interesting to feel, how draggy it is.
I am sorry to say, but in the first Part of the Video, the Plane is almost Invisible, for most of the Time, white can be an excellent Camo, do You abort the first few flights, because after 3-4 turns the Altitude was annihilated?
Just testing power, glide and flaps in the first few flights. Glide was not great but I was probably in sink or turbulence behind the trees. Much better performance up higher.
@@AndrewNewton I tried a sport glider and it was not a relaxing experience, I really think I want to try something chill. I love my DLG for that reason.
Very nice Andrew. Grass is tinder dry already? At res of 480p :P I can still make out the craft when it is no bigger than dust on my laptop in the lab. What does one do when it goes out of sight during a thermal, RTL? :-)
I have a standard pattern for best visibility. Big wide black bars under the right wing, full black under the left wing, and neon pink tips and tail. Works for me.
I've just ordered this plane, do you know what the o.d of the fuselage spars are and approx length please, I want to order carbon fiber tubes to replace them with for extra weight saving and also it will add extra stiffness although that's not my main reason for doing it. The other thing I'm interested in is if the motor plate has standard offsets for the bolts, I've bought the kit version and now need to look at motors. Won't be using a folding prop with this as I don't ever intend on using is as a glider, I've bought it for a long range/ high altitude fpv platform and will be under power the whole time and so drag is not an issue. I see you have used a 2200mah 3s, I've heard others say the recommended 2200 3s is wildly underweight, have you got all your electronics far forward? I'll just make sure everything is far back if needs be, I intend on running packs between 4000 and 8000mah!
Alloy spars are 7.5mm OD, Lengths 471mm and 199mm. Motor mount holes are 23.5mm between centres, square pattern 2200 3s needs to be pushed back as far as it can go (75mm back from the front of the battery tray) to balance on the CG marks
@@AndrewNewton thankyou! I'll get ordering cf Rods straight away :) If needs be, I'll add tail weight to allow balancing with bigger packs, putting the vtx and GPS down the rear will give it some weight without having to physically add dead weight, I'll put the RX in the tail too if needs be lol Thanks again, Steve.
@@AndrewNewton better as in for what both are really designed for, motor glider using power to climb, then looking for lift and thermals, but the 2400 has advantage of carrying fpv and easy to store and transport
I haven't tested the Walrus but I dont think either of them are great thermal gliders. The Phoenix Evolution and 2000 are both better. The 2400 would be great for loading up with batteries and FPV gear. The Walrus would be much easier and fun for park flying
I'm another geezer (65) who has taken up this hobby late in life. I spent the winter practicing on a simulator and have also gotten some experience with a small, cheap glider that came with its' own transmitter. I was looking for a slow glider that could carry a camera and take advantage of the lift provided by the large, steep hill I live on as well as stay up in the air a decent amount of time. I ordered this one from Banggood in February but it has yet to be delivered. "Languid" may sound like criticism for some but that is what appeals to me. You seemed to like this plane in this review but later said you did not find it appealing. Was there something better I could have bought for $140 delivered? What is your impression of the Night Radian? Would the Radian XL have served my purposes? I have spent hours watching reviews like this one and consider yours to be the best.
Dont worry, it will suit your needs perfectly. Great camera carrier and slope glider. My reservations were more about thermal gliding, where the Radians and Phoenix 2000 are more suited. It's still an awesome glider for the money.
@@AndrewNewton Thanks Andrew, We don't get much in the way of thermals in northern New York state but I do live on the side of a mountain so I should be able to slope. Sounds like it will be fine. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Love your reviews. David
Andrew, it appeared the plane was flying a bit fast for it's size at first, and when you slowed it down to what appeared a reasonable speed, it tip stalled easily. I realize I'm an armchair quarterback, but if my observation is accurate, what changes and tests would you perform to improve the performance?
Hi Andrew! I'm looking forward to buying my first RC glider. Do you think that this one might be a good 1st RC glider? I've flown a few cubs, a Cessna 182, and a P-51. By the way, I love your videos, keep up the amazing content! Greetings from Pisa, Italy. Tommaso Viani Post Scriptum: sorry for the bad English.
Yes I use 2200mAH 3S. Radian 3 channel is the best foamy thermal glider but a bit boring. My favourite is the Phoenix Evolution 2.6, sadly no longer available. th-cam.com/video/PLNg33_HQAo/w-d-xo.html
@@markhinchcliffe5803 Yes I watched them but I am interested a direct comparison. Since only difference between these two planes is the fuselage I thought it would be interesting to see how much difference it makes in a direct comparison.
Andrew Newton I’m stuck between this and the Volantrex Ranger 2400. The ranger with its pusher I usually have issues with those type planes that nose down when throttle up I love the this glider because it’s super quiet
Klar, trotz einiger kleiner Ungereimtheiten, welche man aber fix selbst abstellen kann, wahrlich ein gutes Modell. Die Politik von Volantex bezüglich derer Modelle ist aber inzwischen sehr diffus. Ergo, was soll man denn da nun kaufen ??? Der Spannweiten Wirrwar und einige wenige Änderungen, bei nun einigen Modellen ist typisch für Chineese Buysiness ! Video Okay, but i dont like the philosophy from that FACTORIES behind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Point.
I’m in my 71st year now and ever since I was a young boy I have loved model planes. I can sit and watch these videos for hours rather than the rubbish on TV today. I started a Nano Talon build with the Matek F405 Wing a couple of months ago and am almost ready for its maiden flight. Wish me well. 🙄. It’s people like you that inspired me to have a go. Never too late eh?
Definitely not too late, keeps the brain working. Fly on!
I am the same way At 66. Use to learn free flight from my dad
Nice! I hope by now that you've enjoyed flying your Nano Talon. I flew mine just yesterday and again today. It can be very difficult in a stall, otherwise is a fun milk jug to fly!
No never too late. I'm 85 and still loving it!
Good attitude! I need to copy your approach!
Andrew, I know other viewers will agree with me, you sir are a Master Sailplane Pilot. Just beautiful watching you fly!
Thanks Tom, but I don't think real RC sailplane pilots would agree
I enjoyed the thermal riding. best video I have seen actually showing the behavior of the plane when you go into a thermal. In the states we call those South Dakota/Montana clouds. Beautiful day.
Yes the clouds were impressive. Thanks
This one is a beauty!
Looked like a lot of fun on a beautiful day. I do love the gliders and that looks like a nice one.
What a beautiful sky, soaring around... 😍
Yes it was
Thoroughly enjoyed that....cheers Andrew.
Seems to fly quite similar my Phoenix 2000. Feels slow and lazy when manoeuvring around with plenty of adverse yaw, but absolutely comes alive when in a thermal and will readily disappear from view in short order. Gotta love those blow modded fuselages too. Nice vid👍
The 2000 does thermal well, I have been to 1500 feet (457 meters) with mine. So tiny at that height.
Ken - manoeuvring???
just got one andrew .will put it together soon.
absolute brilliant and informative video i would have to mark that 11/10
happy flying ......dave jackson
Many thanks David.
Hi Andrew Mine arrived this morning and will fit a Zohd kopilot as it will help with teaching the grand kids when the weather improves here in the north of Europe. Always look at your vids you do great work thanks.
Bet they love visiting Grand Pa
@@AndrewNewton Haha apparently I am too soft with them.
32℃ you just had to say that as we slip into winter over here in the UK
Hehe sorry 'bout that
Another lovely plane. 32c - we can only dream.....
25 is better
Thanks for the hard work.
Detroit, Michigan, USA
Thanks Brian. It does take a lot of time, but it's fun time, not work.
I put Arduplane on my ASW28 a while ago, nice to have the peace of mind if things get a bit carried away :)
It can loiter at 3 amps on 4S, the OSD is almost as good as an audible vario.
Hmmm, yes it would work with iNav too.
I just ordered the Volantex Phoenix 2400.
after the sonic 185, I think it's a good choice to have a more efficient glider .. Thanks Andrew!
I love those big foamie gliders. I bet you would absolutely love a Radian XL.
Yes I reckon I would
Great video, I'm gonna get one real soon!!!
Love this plane! But then I'm biased. All year so far I have been trying to get a sister ship a Volantex ASW28 to fly properly with no success plus nothing but trouble (mainly my fault) with 2 Parrot Disco drones. So wow! This one is just so easy to fly. Firstly the build, compared to the ASW28 it is miles ahead. The canopy is the best I have seen in 18 years in the hobby. Snaps on, snaps off. Nice hinges fitted to ailerons and flaps. Good God that's unheared of. Blow moulded fuse - great. Foam just doesn't compare. It can survive a hard nose in without a dent. With foam you will spend 10 mins picking up all the bits (don't ask me how I know that).
And flying? Just love the way it floats so well. I'm sure it could thermal on a camel fart and slope in a faint breeze over a 5mtr sand dune! . Tomorrow there's a 30k Sou Wester at Flinders Golf course so won't even use any mah for that. Batteries? Hate li pos, so will go for 3S1P Li oN, 4800mah, 30A cont. as they are lighter, cheaper, smaller than Li po as well as lasting a lot longer
www.lazada.sg/products/panasonic-ncr21700t-4800mah-37v-21700-rechargeable-lithium-power-battery-high-discharge-high-drain-li-ion-batteries-hd-cell-i1723151453-s8473172152.html?
Yes the 2400 is better than the ASW28, but I like the Phoenix V2 2m even better
@@AndrewNewton Why so Andrew?
Less drag, more of a pure glider
@@AndrewNewton Good to know. Thanks
Don't forget the Aerogard, and 'avagoodweekend!
Another excellent maiden/review Andrew, I thought you might vanish into that cloud for a moment..
It was a big rough thermal.
For a few seconds at the beginning I almost hated you Andrew. I think perhaps it was the temperature differential - It's -2°C here....... But you have flies and I don't :D
That Phoenix flies great. Went up in the thermal beautifully. Gently tippy so may be "interesting" on a slope.
Ooh stay inside!
@@AndrewNewton Can't stop the RC. If I can't fly I'll drive trucks :)
Great video Andrew [as usual]. The platform flies great. I guess I cannot see to much of a difference between this one and my Phoenix evolution set at 2.6 M. Hope you are enjoying your summer because we sure had a hot one. :)
Greetings from Florida USA
At this early stage I still like the Evo better, but I will test them side by side soon.
Very nice!!!!!!and i also
Like that you use metric and celsius ;)) oh yeah!!!!!
Hey Blaž. The only units to use
Blaž Petrinčič
:¬O Is it Dr Pilot Robert's brother Captain Blaž ? Haha, so you prefer metric, hmm, what size are the tires on your car?
@@wordreet 255mm
Great video Andrew enjoyed fly's very well 👍
Damn pesky flies, oh you meant the glider?
Can't wait to see it slope.
Thank you....
Gday Andrew, very nice flying and glider, mate you've inspired me to dust off my powered Diamond 1800 glider and setup on my DX6i, I'm getting bored with my drones, so cheers for that! Enjoying your videos glad I stumbled upon you, the area you are flying looks very similar to where I'm living? And the flies! I bought a fly mesh cover goes around your hat from ebay for a couple of bucks🤠👍
Cheers mate!
Good idea, the flies come and go here, wind usually keeps them off
Yahoo
Clinb rate looked great not sure how much stick you had on (3S).
Can understand tip stall on slow turns with a 2 kilometre wing span though, but it did not look too drastic!!
Happy that you did not try and catch it, at 1.6kg if you miss good night.
Looking forward to the 60kmph wind slope soar test!!!
Cheers
About 75% for good climb on 3S and 50% on 4S.
Love it!
I do enjoy these vids so much. Both you & Allen seem to get the best out of your birds & share your knowledge. Only complaint is your not sharing the magical Geelong water. Let me know if you will start bottling in the near future.
Sharing knowledge it what this channel is all about.
Try some aileron differential. 3 parts up to one part down. Then it will turn better.
Next flight I will test CG, differential and whatever else I can think of.
@@AndrewNewton I know this is an old post, but I just got the plane. Your vid Balance the plane 80mm from leading edge. Is that what you are good with?
Hello from Spain. I´m enjoying watching your build and fly videos on this plane. What were the final throws on the control surfaces?. Nothing is listed in the manual, hope you can help me with this and thank you in advance.
I had about 15mm up and down on everything. It's very docile so you cant really go wrong
I would take sail-plane any day instead of twitchy 3D performer.
Nice videos always, thank You !
I would like to pull a banner \ flag with a Volantex Ranger G2.
Would be nice to see Your tutorial on the topic !
Good idea, that would be fun and it's something I have often thought about.
When I fly the Phoenix fast, the ailerons are not working anymore. But they do when I slow down. Do you know anything about this problem? Thanks!
Flexy foam wings and weak servos probably. Not designed for speed
31 Degrees..?..We are freezing here Andrew.....Put an FPV Backpack on her and get in those clouds.....lol.
Yes that would be fun with a cam on the tail
Nice, though I wonder about wing incidence. I changed my ASW28 with about 1.5mm of packing pieces under the trailing edge of the tailplane ( horiz stab) and it made it a much better floater, really, much better. Though a mod like that will be more comlpex to achieve on the Phoenix.
Wouldn't be too difficult in these crazy 3D printing times
@@AndrewNewton
Hmm, that's a thought.
The flying field....omg
Magnificent Mate! Do You Ever Put Snips Of Red Yarn On Your Gliders Wing Tips or A Thin Silver Streamer Off The Tail For Seeing Air Lifts? Thanks
That 2M Hacker Vagabond Is Twice That Weight? I'm Putting A 4246 w/890kv & 6s, Should Be A Screaming Acrobat! They Mailed It Today! LOL
No I have to tried that. I thought the Vagabond was a pure acro sloper?
@@AndrewNewton Yea I've Seen That One Also, But I Found One Called The EXTREME-ELECTRO, Got It For $50 Is A Pre-Built/Covered ARF 2020mm w/Wheels & Large Molded Vertical Wing-Tiplets, Kinda Like A 3D Motor Glider? Link --->
www.ebay.com/itm/Hacker-Model-Vagabond-XL-Glider-ARF-HKPA5000-BOX-DAMAGE-NO-RESERVE/163430290288?epid=1042739023&hash=item260d345370:g:xCcAAOSwwhxb-Hhk:rk:1:pf:1
Are you saying that the ailerons are not enough to turn the glider and change course. I have the Phoenix 2000 which I mix the ailerons and rudder together and it works very well. I am looking at upgrading to the 2400 but your comment concerning not being able to turn with the ailerons only has my attention.
Just that it turns better with rudder and ailerons, same as all big gliders.
Hi Andrew, great video as always. In your opinion which is a better thermal soarer out of this one and the ASW 28 from volantex? I’m hoping to do an INAV FPV electric thermal soarer and like the amount of space in the fuselage of these two gliders. Which would you choose? Or any other suggestions? Many thanks.
2400 is better and can carry more weight
@@AndrewNewton thanks Andrew. Guess that’ll make it a better FPV rig too, loving the FPV gliding at the moment with my Zagi conversion but fancy a motor for flat field soaring. Shame the ASW28 is prettier but I guess I won’t be looking at it that much(!)
Hi Andrew, Any idea what airfoil it uses, or what the % thickness is?
wing area?
Thanks!
Anyone else noticed that the rudder is pretty ineffective even though it seems large enough and seems to move a decent amount. Just kicks the tail out momentarily and then very very slowly turns. Very little authority. Yet the elevator is the opposite, very pitchy.
YOU'RE ineffective!
It's a good looking plane for sure but I wonder if that wing section is maybe a bit thick for good efficiency when gliding? Perhaps more suited to load-carrying on the Ranger 2400? Will be interested to hear your views when you've flown it more.
Good call. I think you are right. More flight time needed for sure
Nice
Andrew- i just ordered one for myself- which Phoenix models do you like best? Which is the better sailplane, which is fastest? Lowest sink? Best to fly? Do you know if other V2 wings are compatable?
So many questions, have a look at the videos to see what I think about each different model. No the V2 wings dont fit the 2400 models
Hello Mr. Newton,
may i ask, what is the best motor glider for You? Any suggestions?
What is the best You have ever flown?
Radian 2m or the Phoenix V2 2m are my favourite cheap foamy gliders.
@@AndrewNewton thank You :) and "not cheap"? If may i bother You for a bit longer? :))
I wish I had that knowledge, but only cheapies for me.
@@AndrewNewton never mind, thank You anyway for Your time :)
Great video Andrew. I,m a big fan of dihedral just don,t like flat wings shouldn't be too hard for me to apply some when my Pheonix 2.4 arrives what are your thoughts?
Gyrophill Can you add dihedral when the ailerons are near the wing edges ?
Yes you could put a bend in the joiner spars to add dihedral. I don't think it's needed but very interested to see how it performs if you do it.
Hi Mike the Dihedral shouldn't have any consequence to the ailerons or flaps as its built in to where the wing halves join just builds in inherent stability as in the full size sailplanes.
Just to be sure, are these 2400 wings compatible with the fuselage of the Ranger 2000?
No, not compatible. The 1600 and 2000 wings are compatible with each other but not the 2400
How can you use 2200mah 3s- i use 3000mah 4s and its all the way at the nose- and cam is caddx turtle light fpv gear..
Depends where you want your CG
32 °C Wooho!
i just got one of these, and tried using a 3s 220o mah battery about 191g and pushed all the way forward and according to the cg, it was still very tail heavy, So i flew it with two 3s 22oomah about 1" from the front and she flew great. Curious what others have experienced as well.
It can handle a wide range of CG and weight. Stock CG is too far forward for me
Andrew if you had to choose Between The Phoenix 2400 and the ASW28 what glider would you choose ?
2400 is a better glider and is more rugged
I somehow hope that the wider wing area is not responsible for the plane trying to tip stall, or is it more like an CG-issue. But I guess, everything is difficult to tell at a maiden... would be also interesting to feel, how draggy it is.
That's right Christoph. Too early to tell after one session.
whats the ideal battery capacity in 3S to balance the 2400?
Anything from 3s 2200 upwards. It can carry lots of battery weight
I am sorry to say, but in the first Part of the Video, the Plane is almost Invisible, for most of the Time, white can be an excellent Camo, do You abort the first few flights, because after 3-4 turns the Altitude was annihilated?
Just testing power, glide and flaps in the first few flights. Glide was not great but I was probably in sink or turbulence behind the trees. Much better performance up higher.
do wings come off easy for transport? also do wings come off easy for transport on the 2000 model also...thanks
Yes, easy attachment clips
@@AndrewNewton thats good to know i may get one in the future...thax
Hi Andrew. Is this a good step up from flying a Bixler or would you recommend something else before a model like this?
Yes, perfect next plane if you want to try thermalling.
@@AndrewNewton I tried a sport glider and it was not a relaxing experience, I really think I want to try something chill. I love my DLG for that reason.
Hi Andrew,
After flying this plane for a while which CG do you find optimal for long range efficient cruise?
Thank you
Haven't tested with big batteries, only thermal gliding.
What is the range on this ? And any technique to retrieve it, if it looses contact
Range depends on your radio gear. Could be 100m to more than 20km. GPS coordinates to find a lost plane a long way out.
Very nice Andrew. Grass is tinder dry already? At res of 480p :P I can still make out the craft when it is no bigger than dust on my laptop in the lab. What does one do when it goes out of sight during a thermal, RTL? :-)
I chicken out before it gets too small. Yes the grass is browning off all around.
Hi andrew could you please tell me what size 4s you used. Can the esc handle it? Cheers 👍
I used 2 x 3000 4S to get the balance right. Yes the ESC is rated for 4S
Nice model Andrew if you were going to paint it what colour would you recommend as i have trouble seeing the model at high altitude Cheers Billi
I have a standard pattern for best visibility. Big wide black bars under the right wing, full black under the left wing, and neon pink tips and tail. Works for me.
@@AndrewNewton Thank you Andrew will do that Love the videos Cheers Bill From Phoenix Flyers Launceston check out our web site
Scale day photos look wonderfull. Looks like a great club
@@AndrewNewton Yes we have a wonderful club and if your ever in Launceston your more than welcome to come visit regards Bill McNally Sec PFl
Nice video how does this compare to the phoenix 2000 v2 .Do you mix rudder with ailerons.Rob
I'll do a side by side comparison soon. Yes I do use rudder / aileron mixing
The 2M Night Radian V2 is a better thermal glider than the Phoenix 2400mm. I own both of them.
I've just ordered this plane, do you know what the o.d of the fuselage spars are and approx length please, I want to order carbon fiber tubes to replace them with for extra weight saving and also it will add extra stiffness although that's not my main reason for doing it.
The other thing I'm interested in is if the motor plate has standard offsets for the bolts, I've bought the kit version and now need to look at motors.
Won't be using a folding prop with this as I don't ever intend on using is as a glider, I've bought it for a long range/ high altitude fpv platform and will be under power the whole time and so drag is not an issue.
I see you have used a 2200mah 3s, I've heard others say the recommended 2200 3s is wildly underweight, have you got all your electronics far forward?
I'll just make sure everything is far back if needs be, I intend on running packs between 4000 and 8000mah!
I'll check for you soon. Remind me if I don't get back to you.
@@AndrewNewton Thankyou!
Alloy spars are 7.5mm OD, Lengths 471mm and 199mm.
Motor mount holes are 23.5mm between centres, square pattern
2200 3s needs to be pushed back as far as it can go (75mm back from the front of the battery tray) to balance on the CG marks
2200 3S would be way too light for the Ranger 2400 but not the Phoenix
@@AndrewNewton thankyou! I'll get ordering cf Rods straight away :)
If needs be, I'll add tail weight to allow balancing with bigger packs, putting the vtx and GPS down the rear will give it some weight without having to physically add dead weight, I'll put the RX in the tail too if needs be lol
Thanks again, Steve.
Hi , how much time flight can I get with it? Great video
Maybe 15 min continuous powered flight, or unlimited if you are catching thermals
@@AndrewNewton thank u )
I ordered the ranger ex from banggood and they sent me the phoenix 2400 lol got it today ...might keep this one after seeing your review
Wow, that's a big error!
i have been all set to get a HK Walrus 1400....now after watching a few vids on this beauty i wonder if one of these will be a better plane
Depends what you mean by "Better plane" Thermal glider, fun flier, long range FPV?
@@AndrewNewton better as in for what both are really designed for, motor glider using power to climb, then looking for lift and thermals, but the 2400 has advantage of carrying fpv and easy to store and transport
I haven't tested the Walrus but I dont think either of them are great thermal gliders. The Phoenix Evolution and 2000 are both better. The 2400 would be great for loading up with batteries and FPV gear. The Walrus would be much easier and fun for park flying
Yep wherever there are monster thermals there is monster sink as well. Where do your CG end up?
Around 85mm. It was a strange day, hot and calm where I was but very up and down up higher.
How long could this thing fly on a 4S2P 18650 6000-7000mAh pack?
Yes I'm sure it would handle it
Dear Andrew, which camera did you use to take video when airplane in the air? I think it was mounted into your cap/head.
Hello I K, Firefly 8S 90º version. Link to all my cameras in the description.
what receiver did you choose for this sailplane?
X8R, need all those channels
I'm another geezer (65) who has taken up this hobby late in life. I spent the winter practicing on a simulator and have also gotten some experience with a small, cheap glider that came with its' own transmitter. I was looking for a slow glider that could carry a camera and take advantage of the lift provided by the large, steep hill I live on as well as stay up in the air a decent amount of time. I ordered this one from Banggood in February but it has yet to be delivered. "Languid" may sound like criticism for some but that is what appeals to me. You seemed to like this plane in this review but later said you did not find it appealing. Was there something better I could have bought for $140 delivered? What is your impression of the Night Radian? Would the Radian XL have served my purposes? I have spent hours watching reviews like this one and consider yours to be the best.
Dont worry, it will suit your needs perfectly. Great camera carrier and slope glider. My reservations were more about thermal gliding, where the Radians and Phoenix 2000 are more suited. It's still an awesome glider for the money.
@@AndrewNewton Thanks Andrew, We don't get much in the way of thermals in northern New York state but I do live on the side of a mountain so I should be able to slope. Sounds like it will be fine. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Love your reviews.
David
This one is much better than ASW28 =) At least for me!
Hi mate, nice video :) Could you please tell me how to set a prop brake on a ESC? I can see you have already managed how to do it ;)
Depends on the ESC. You will need to find the manual. th-cam.com/video/UaLYmQETrUg/w-d-xo.html
Looking forward to hear you comparing it to the Evo.
Yes me too. I may be confusing myself by flying the super floaty 3mm depron glider then the big 2400
Andrew, it appeared the plane was flying a bit fast for it's size at first, and when you slowed it down to what appeared a reasonable speed, it tip stalled easily. I realize I'm an armchair quarterback, but if my observation is accurate, what changes and tests would you perform to improve the performance?
Yes it did want to fly fast-ish. I read that someone uses a little extra camber for better slow flight
what size battery are you using for this maiden?
In the video and description
Hi Andrew! I'm looking forward to buying my first RC glider. Do you think that this one might be a good 1st RC glider? I've flown a few cubs, a Cessna 182, and a P-51.
By the way, I love your videos, keep up the amazing content!
Greetings from Pisa, Italy.
Tommaso Viani
Post Scriptum: sorry for the bad English.
Phoenix 2000 V2 is much better for thermal gliding. I find the 2400 too big and draggy, also tip stalls in slow turns.
@@AndrewNewton thanks a lot. do you think that a 3s 2200 mAh will be ok?
@@AndrewNewton also are there any gliders that are even better than the phoenix 2000?
Yes I use 2200mAH 3S. Radian 3 channel is the best foamy thermal glider but a bit boring. My favourite is the Phoenix Evolution 2.6, sadly no longer available. th-cam.com/video/PLNg33_HQAo/w-d-xo.html
I wonder how it compares to ranger 2400
@@markhinchcliffe5803 Yes I watched them but I am interested a direct comparison. Since only difference between these two planes is the fuselage I thought it would be interesting to see how much difference it makes in a direct comparison.
Hello! What flight controller have you installed on this glider?
Human thumbs only
My first first today!
The internet applauds your dedication
One has to wonder, does it slope? :)
Wonder no more Sir Andrew. Slopes like a pelican
esc suported 4 s lipo pack?
Yes
Your a horrible man Andrew!!!! This is yet another plane I want to get!
Haha, do you have the space?
@@AndrewNewton lol...I will when my wife makes me sleep in the garage
Its a diving Day Andrew..
Coming soon Garry, itching to jump in again. This wind direction ruins all my shore dive sites unfortunately.
Andrew how bad are these servos?
Not bad, but probably not high quality. God idea to change to metal gear at least
Why are so many of these planes white?
So they can add stickers maybe
@@AndrewNewton You can add stickers to any color plane.
Can you get fpv gear on this
Oh yes, as much as you want
Andrew Newton does it come with different canopy to mount fpv cam on like Ranger has with some of there models?
Thanks
Andrew Newton I’m stuck between this and the Volantrex Ranger 2400.
The ranger with its pusher I usually have issues with those type planes that nose down when throttle up
I love the this glider because it’s super quiet
very nice maiden... less beautiful without the stickers though
Sticker lover!
yes indeed hahah
I made 85mm perfect CG but i was wayyyy to tail heavy 🙄
85mm work well for me
Cannot see the plane very well.
I like the looks but I think a little dihedral would make it fly a little better.
Klar, trotz einiger kleiner Ungereimtheiten, welche man aber fix selbst abstellen kann, wahrlich ein gutes Modell. Die Politik von Volantex bezüglich derer Modelle ist aber inzwischen sehr diffus. Ergo, was soll man denn da nun kaufen ??? Der Spannweiten Wirrwar und einige wenige Änderungen, bei nun einigen Modellen ist typisch für Chineese Buysiness ! Video Okay, but i dont like the philosophy from that FACTORIES behind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Point.