Mass Effect 3 - Tali Commits Suicide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- This is what happens if you choose the geth over the quarians and don't have enough loyalty with Tali. Even Paragon interrupt does nothing :P
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After this, Shepard than had shore leave and threw a party with the rest of his squadmates
LOL
Lol. Well said.
The ultimate "Oh no! Anyway..." moment.
Everyone else in here crying about tali and it didn’t even phase me think about having a army reaper level soilders they know all the information they need to beat them meanwhile the creators struggle to just take down one of thier ships Sacrificing one whole race to save more from that is the right choice
@@christiansantamaria7233 Tali just like most of her race constantly pulled the "oh poor us, feel bad for us because we started a war that didn't need to happen in the first place. We're totally the victims here" and as a result it got on my nerves, her cringy simp's got on my nerves and the quarian's in general get on my nerves. My renegade playthru I let the quarians die, Tali went splat and I couldn't care less. The quarians were moron's for starting a war and expecting Shepard to help them clean the bed they shit themselves? lol nope, say goodbye to your toy ships. If you cant finish a war yourselves then maybe dont start one in the first place?
Never cared for Tali in the OG trilogy and still dont care for her in the remaster.
Watching this on TH-cam, because I will never, ever, ever, ever, EVER choose this option in the game. Ever. Never never never. Ever.
Perriwen Plays no matter how hard I tried to choose this option I could never bring myself to it I either save Quarians or save both
Tali is best girl
I got this bit in my first game because i was playing without any help or spoilers. Yeah it pissed me off
I did and instantly regretted it, so I replayed the whole Reaper battle and saved Tali.
Well... if you've just played the previous two games getting to know Tali (who I've gotta say is one of the best written characters in the trilogy), you're really REALLY going to feel it when she dies. Well... unless you're an emotionless husk, in which case why would you even play any of the Mass Effect games? :P
It would have been more painful if you actually saw her face and that was the only time you saw it
So true
Yep.
holy... thats rough mate...
It's never painful at all
@@gennarosavastano9424 opinion noted and rejected
It's kind of tragic... no matter WHAT you do, Legion dies.
really??
yes, you can't prevent Legion from sacrificing himself.
Dan Kester why does everyone love him so much?
Roman Centurion Cause legion is awesome.
*I am NOT Legion*
No matter how many times I play the game there are 2 things I can never do. Kill Wrex, and let Tali die. Pure evil.
Youssef Keyrouz meaningless evil,besides,letting Tali die purposely is a move from a heartless monster
Same I like the geth and I'll will save them if I can but if I cant I have to save Tali and the Quarians
It happened to me on my second playthrough. I made peace btw the quarians and Geth in the first and thought things would turn out the same way, except in my second I didn't save Koris but choose his men instead so the attack wasn't cancelled.
was my easiest decision in the game to let Tali die, I don't side with space racists
@@MrDegan2 you are an idiot. The geth sided with the reapers and if it werent for shepard they would have succeeded in wiping out all advanced life in the galaxy. Tali has done nothing but support you from day 1.
The worst thing is, not only was Tali suffering the genocide of her people at that moment, but considering her personality and history, she probably blamed herself for not stopping Legion and Shepard. The weight of that would be so crushing, no wonder she'd throw herself off a cliff.
That stupid weeb of a girlfriend you guys so like, could explain the situation better to the Gerrel
Gorkem Kavak so could Shepard. It's a terribly written and incredibly biased scene that further proves how bad me3 was.
Dan Cakeshard "suffering the genocide of her people"
How do you think the Geth felt? They fought for self-preservation as well. I always choose Geth if I cant save both. Other than the Heretic Geth the Quarians have always been the initiators of violence.
@Dastardly Bastard
You are actually wrong. The Geth were almost always in the wrong. They isolated themselves and killed anyone who entered their space so they created and perpetuated their own reputation. Then they allowed the heretics to join the reapers and didnt warn anyone. They are the villains here. Also this is before they were even sentient.
@Orion Kyros lol good argument
Quarian and Geth peace is the best option. You get to end a 300 year old war, bring peace to the two factions, and get extra war assets. Peace out.
Except it's one of the hardest options to get in the whole trilogy, requiring several specific actions both in ME2 and ME3.
Hirosama Nadasaki I got it on my first playthrough. Is it really that hard?
Hirosama Nadasaki One does not simply play the Mass Effect Trilogy without playing ME1, ME2, and ME3.
***** I only have ME2 and ME3, played them in that order, but to get the Geth/Quarian peace option I had to play both, again, which was frankly annoying.
At least I got to change some things in ME2 so I can save the female krogan in ME3 too.
Ok, I'd just like to point out that I recently did a Renegade playthrough of all three games and STILL made Geth/Quarian peace.
"Admiral, you don't understand. The Geth are about to come back online at improved capacity and they will destroy you unless you cease the attack," would say any rational person.
Imagine Shepard adding: "I allowed Legion to upload Reapers code to their AI. You have no chance if you will keep your attitude admiral. Do you realy want to send all Quarians to a certain death?" Admiral's face (behind his mask) had to be fucking hilarious.
Yep. Horribly written scene.
@@Quole1234 Greatly wasted potential. All characters accept Shepard's ideas to fast. Zaeed's loyalty mission was well written. First you fist his face, then tell him that you will live him lying under rubble. Yet responses you get are still not convincing. But that was plausible.
dude just fought a reaper, give him a break
You guys do realise the entire point of rpgs are that there are dialogue failures right? You all know there's literally dialogue options that allow you to make Shepard be reasonable. This isn't poorly designed because this is designed to be overcome.
Chooses Geth over Quarians, watches Tali commit suicide. Destroys all Geth.
What a retarded comment
@@Quole1234 Destroy ending does that
@@tcmugutc01 no shit
@@Quole1234 The comment is good. Shepard's choices are stupid. Allow synthetics to wipe out living species, to help you destroy synthetics, which will destroy them as well. Geth with Reaper's code should estimate that scenario. They are machines.
@@ZeroOdyssey I totally agree. I think it was one of those scenarios where creation becomes greater than its creator. Devs couldn't handle closing whole trilogy in good way. In one moment you finish reaper on Rannoch with laser from orbit. And when space gunfight starts, no one knows about reapers soft spot?
I DON'T THINK YOU TRUST
IN
MY
SELF RIGHTEOUS TALICIDE
+tfw no khaleesi
I
CRY
'CAUSE GETH DON'T DESERVE TO
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
+tfw no khaleesi Neither do quarians.
LMAAOO
actually the geth do. It's the quarians that don't.
😭
Glad i never had to face this, were able to convince the Quarians to back off and subsequentely keep everyone alive. Paragon ftw!
you can do the same with intimidate if your renegade score is high enough
DarkTider IMPOSSIBLE!?
its hard but can be done it allso depends on choices made in the other 2 games you have to keep discouraging the war and also being as nice to the quarions as possible
if legion dies in me2 (like he did here, that wasn't legion) or if you do legions and talis loyalty missions wrong/don't even do them in me2 then it isn't possible to save both races
sad times
There's a few things you have to do in me2 to make it work, most importantly both Tali and Legion have to be loyal, Tali can't have been exiled and the heretic Geth have to be destroyed. Then in me3 you need minimum 4 bars rep and you have to save admiral koris. Quite a lot of setup but it is worth doing since you get a stack of war assets. Shame you never get to see those Geth primes in action on earth though
As amazing as this scene is, my only complaint is how little effort Tali puts into stopping the assault. She literally gives the fleet no info, just "hey guys you should probably back off" and she gets back a "lol no u"
Terribly written scene
The writing in this game really went to shit after Tuchanka.
@@csoki4543 To be fair, male shep's voice actor has the charisma of a wet sack of gravel throughout all games. I always go with fem shep for that reason, Jennifer Hale rocks.
@@kimkimpa5150 oh shut the fuck up, not the time nor place dude
@@kimkimpa5150 some people argue that his voice gets better throughout the games…but I disagree. Femshep all the way
I honestly felt like the music in the background had a more serious tone then Sheppard's voice. anyways my sheppard would have dove off the cliff after her.
Fortunately the Italian actor has a different voice compared to the English actor
Reading the comments, I am shocked that most people either killed Geth or the Quarians. You can save them both and they live together on Rannoch in peace, I am surprised that most people didn't know that...
A lot of people started off at the 3rd game so they couldn't do that.
seth williams Actually, this is even more shocking to me, without playing the first two games, the experience you will get from the game is very limited. Also you will get hundreds of spoilers for the first two games, so even if you decide to play them after the ME3, they won't be nearly as fun to them as it was to the gamers who played the series in order.
I knew that there was some way to resolve things peacefully, but I didn't have enough Paragon points to select that option. It tore me to pieces knowing that I had the chance to save both the Quarians and the Geth. If only I was more prepared...
Possible reasoning: not enough charisma points, Tali survived without the rank of admiral, forgot to save Koris, starting with the 3rd game, Tali didn't survive the suicide mission, got Legion killed/sold in ME2. You'd be surprised how many people didn't replay any of the games in order to achieve the perfect survival rates/results. I lost Miranda and Thane, and never looked back....not until I finished ME3, anyway. Not saying you replayed and import the perfect save file, specifically, but too many did, and I think it's a dishonest way approach the series because the point of consequences is that going back in time is not an option.
It actually takes alot of factors to broker the peace. Playing the first two games is essential. You have to set up all the pieces just so or the options don't even appear as we see here.
I couldn't fucking do it. Tali is my girl man.
I could. I'm into Miranda.
@@lancecurry7538 miranda is hideous
I'd rather have the geth, who are self aware robots, to having some people who would drop faster then a bag of shit when they get a hole in their suit
When Shepard says "Tali, no" it really really sounds like both of those words were recorded in a different context from each other. The Mass Effect 3 Gamer Poop had better splicing.
Tore Jardine not to mention it's not emotional at all. You think Shepard would be screaming...
Ya I don't get it, even the music in the back expressed more than his standard tone voice.
This fambase so toxic
A lot of MaleShep's lines are delivered like that, lol. That's why FemShep is more enjoyable imo.
@@globknob6411 "People criticise the thing I like, therefore toxic."
Mark Meer did a decent job for the most part but his delivery of, “Tali no!”, was Resident Evil 1 levels of bad
“Damn it Tali not again stop jumping off of those cliffs I swear” - Shepard
loll really. sorry to him but he absolutely dropped the ball on carrying the emotional impact here
@@_EllieLOL_ lmfao
Confession = I played Mass Effect 3 before playing 1 & 2 (My brother bought me the third game for my birthday); On my first play-through of ME3 I chose the geth and literally didn't even think twice about it - at the time it was "just another decision" and I didn't know the game; the characters or how the renegade/paragon thing worked. Later on I bought the 1st and 2nd game (plus all the DLC) and played through with a male Shepard; Loved Tali in the first game. She was intelligent, funny and is by far the best character. Continue my character in the 2nd game; find out that I can romance Tali. I'm immediately intrigued and of course I woo her; Continue with character in third game; really missing Tali and can't wait to continue romancing her; This time I convince the geth and quarians to unite and live in peace; My heart breaks near the end when Tali says "I have a home". I start watching this video to remind me of the worst decision I've ever made in a video game. The minute - no the very *second* Tali starts crying in this vid and I nearly break my keyboard trying to stop the video. I just can't watch it. Cried like a fucking baby :(
+Alan Jones (Zyrandar) Same here, i played ME 3 before 1 and 2 so i didn't know anything about Tali. I deduce that the morally correct decision is to go with the Geth but when i watched Tali jump off the cliff, something cracked in me man.. i was like "Hell no, fuck this!". Replayed the mission and saved the Quarians even though they're assholes. I just couldn't kill Tali. This scene really fucked me up psychologically.
Did almost exactly the same.
Played ME2 first. Cool game.
Played ME1 then, also cool.
Replayed ME2 and romanced Tali (way too cute to resist).
Played ME3. Didnt have the option for unity (renegade options are far more funny). Chose Geth.
Saw this. Couldnt handle it.
Immediately loaded a save game from before this mission. Chose Quarians ONLY because of Tali.
In my book an interesting gaming experience.
Tom, you make me wish I could wipe the game from my memory and do an ironman playthrough, just so I can savor the joy and sadness that comes from my decisions.
I think we all had a crush on Tali.
you are a fucking idiot. Why the hell would you play ME3 before the others?
Man that is absolutely heartbreaking: Tali begging you not to let her people die and then sobbing before she kills herself. I'm really glad that I played through ME2 so I could get the "everyone is happy" ending, else I probably would have loaded my game after this happened and chose the other option.
Stupid Quarians deserve that ending.. they attacked already allied Geth instead of instant peace, then attack the ship with Shepard onboard and then another attack again, just sad for Tali*
it rly aint quarians fault, its the general Gerrels fault who ordered not to retreat, the same guy who almost blew us up in the geth ship.
If bacteria had consciousness, would you have pity of them?
How do millions of civilians deserve to die because of what the admirals did??
i remember first playing ME3 and then this happened.
FUCKING NOPE
*restart mission*
*Quarians>Geth*
*everything OK*
I prefer Geth
I prefer peace between them both but you need to remember - quarians were first aggressors, not geths.
Mitsu Nakamura I do also prefer the peace way, but Quarians created the Geth, which the Geth were better in every way in terms of Military power and science.
Anyways, i always choose Destroy Ending cause can't leave my lovely Garrus :3 Sorry for EDI and Geths but for me it's the best way - destroy reapers and Catalshit :D Just IMHO
DrCoding Thats not true....The strenght of the quarians and geth is determined by the desicion to kill or rewrite the heretic geth....rewrite Geth>Quarians...destroy Geth
Me: chooses the geth
Tali: [ kills herself ]
Me: *surprised pikachu face*
Also me: reloads past save
Same bro
Tali: (suicide) ×_×
Me: 0_o => -_- never mind.
😂
Well, this punched me right in the feels.
Not me cause I'm glad that the Geth won Rannoch, they deserve the homeworld more than those Quarian fuckwads (Tali included).
But that's my opinion ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Both sides deserved a home. The Geth and the Quarians both made mistakes and neither were 100% innocent.
Either way, genocide is never a good thing. Why choose war and death when peace is still an option? That is why I always go for the peaceful co-existence.
And since I always choose the Destroy ending, it would seem even worse if I killed off both the Quarians and the Geth.
Everyone deserves a home. Everyone has the right to live. SOME of the Quarians focused only on their suffering and not the suffering they inflicted, and SOME were willing to do anything to get their home back, but that doesn't mean the entire species deserves to die. The Admiral of the civilian fleet wanted peace, and quite a few Quarians must have agreed with him since he got made Admiral of the largest fleet. Tali also came around to that realisation in ME2. It was mostly just a few hardliners who pushed for the war, a lot of Quarians wanted to just find somewhere new to live, if they couldn't co-exist with the Geth.
And remember that most of the Geth wanted peace, Legion said. They favoured co-existence, and had been taking care of Rannoch waiting for the Quarians to return in peace.
And, on a personal note-WHAAAT?! I never understand it when people don't love Tali. I'm a Talimancer through and through. I romance her in every MShep playthrough, since I did the playthroughs for all the romances and she was my favourite MShep romance by far. Why don't you like her? I genuinely want to know.
Why on earth did my phone remove the spaces? That comment was in several paragraphs! Mobile TH-cam sucks Krogan ass.
James Bennett I respect your opinion and I won't change your view, nor can you change mine. I still stand for my opinion good sir.
That's fine.
But could you tell me why you don't like the Quarians generally and Tali specifically? I'm not trying to change your mind, I just don't understand why you dislike them so much, and I like to try to understand other people's views.
wow, geth vi sounds wayyyy more evil than legion
God I never thought a GAME could make me cry. Tali is my favourite character and romance option and to see her go out like this... even after all that it is still a beautiful and well crafted scene. If only Bioware put this much effort into the whole game and specifically Tali's face.
Except, we never got to see her face, except for that poor photo they placed like a "last-minute adjustment".
Donnie Before I saw that photo I never really cared what Tali's face looked like, but after I saw it, I saw how lazy or how rushed this game was.
I wish we could have seen her face. They should do that in ME41
I know but still.
One of the reasons I love Tali so much, is that you cant see her face. I fell in love with Tali's personality and character without even given the chance to be vain enough to let her looks influence me. I loved Tali because of who she was, not for what she looked like. Besides my Shepard found her attractive in the romance scenes, so she wasn't ugly. In retrospect re-reading your comment I understand you are talking about the picture she gives you. But still, off-topic my statement remains the same.
this happened on my ME3 play through when i didn't import a save and it flat out stopped me playing the game. i just could not not fucking deal with it, it made me play both ME1 and ME2 so i could import a character just so i could end this stupid fucking war with the Geth
you started at the 3rd installment? who does that?
Oscar Dawson I applaud you sir
Antonio Guerrero You don't need to play both ME1 and ME2 to save Tali.
HiIeric117 I meant choices in game were I could have changed it if I had played the parts in chronological order
Antonio Guerrero Yes, I know. You can broker a peace treaty only having played ME2 and ME3.
It's pretty amazing that a video game can have such emotional moments as this.
I heard that the developer responsible for this scene had a really hard time writing it, because of how depressing it is.
It's kind of weird how I never had this scenario. I saved both the Geth and the Quarians.
Well, the moment when you shoot Mordin in the back is FAR worse.
I was in love with Tali(IRL and I really have a problem as I still am) When I saw this and forgot didn't have enough Paragon? I CRIED MY ASS OFF FOR HALF A DAY IN MY BEDSHEETS! I swear man I nearly went into a depression
Spoilers
What did the dev say about the bar talk at the end of me3 for garrus?
I doubt that considering the devs showed nothing but contempt for tali and the quarians throughout the entire game.
My favorite scene! Always did this on every playthrough!
@@Quole1234 my homie!
@@Quole1234 my homie!
@@Quole1234 ikr but I am happy they did give us the option :)!!
@@Quole1234 my man you are homie material!fuck the quarians they should have known better then to dabble with shit they don't know
@@Quole1234 haha I feel like it's just a small attempt to make Shepard looks like he gives a shit , even tho it doesn't save her stupid ass lol
You hear that sobbing? That's probably me...
Organic life comes before synthetic life..... That was my moral. Then I came to this part of the game....
SUFFER NOT THE QUARIAN TO LIVE. They fucked themselves here, Geth are the morally right choice and can do WAAAAAY more to stop the Reapers. But it's better still to be a pro and save both.
if legion and tali survive you can get both
+Ionic Qube Legion dies no matter what
@@claypidgeon4807 geth genocided 99%of them. Sorry but organics all the way. Getz are no different than the reapers
"They made their choice".
actually they didnt and shepard knows that. Most of the quarians were against the war and got forced in to it. Also how the fuck does shepard justify killing millions of children? shepard is a moron who never thinks before he acts or says anything.
@Berzerk Llama yeah you are right. I was wrong. The quarians were in the wrong. I wanted them to be in the right so much because I love Tali but honestly... This is justice. The quarians brought it on themselves.
@Nihulistic99th overreactet? The actual fuck? The Geth keept being shoot at. You fire back in this case. It's not your fault, if your weapons are better.
And if you try to say "they could have shoot to disable, not to kill", are you one of those who would aim for a leg or arm to incapacitate an attacker? You must realise that being shoot in this areas can still kill you. And additionaly, the attacker can still cause harm to you and others.
The Geth had only one choice and they followed it through, much to their regret.
@@Quole1234 actually Tali didn't support the resparking of the war
Freaking Han'Gerrel made that choice for all Quarians. He should have been demoted or at least suspended after selfishly nearly killing Shepard and Tali(another Admiral).
I loved Tali so much, I cried at this poin. But Geth are not in wrong at all. And are powerful allies.
True enough. The True Geth fleet is EXBAWKSHUEG, with something like over 4000 ships with likely HUNDREDS of enormous and powerful (by Mass Effect standards, that is) dreadnoughts. This is in a universe where people field navies of perhaps a thousand ships at ABSOLUTE best and something like 20-30 dreadnoughts.
But the Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy
yeah, but the majority of them, are civillian ships. Turian's fleet is better.
If you choose to wipe out the geth the only true ai you kill is Legion. No matter how much they wish it, the geth before the upgrades could not be considered people, but machines defined by their programming. So if you kill the Quarians then you've just wiped out a race of people and a lot of them didn't even want war. Wiping out the Geth wouldn't have been genocide because they weren't people yet and in my opinion is the more logical answer. I always choose peace to avoid this decision though.
+petargrad Quarians main role is support and while some of their ships are that old (very few) all ships, even the liveships, have been outfitted with thanix cannons. This essentially turned every ship into a dreadnought and, again, they are sentient beings. Killing them would be more wrong than destroying some a.i.
I think I'm in the minority when I had my Shepard choose Tali as his second fire-team leader during the Suicide Mission in ME2, leading to her death, and then chose to side with the Geth in ME3 over the Quarians.
Then he went with the Destroy ending. My Shepard was a hell of a guy lol.
+The Peel More like a spawn of hell lol
Ir0nF1st924 He was also a human supremacist so yeah pretty much lol.
I did the exact same this but I chose synthesis instead of destroy.
hahahaha
I chose Miranda and had Garrus and Jack on my team. I never lost a squad mate in any of my playthroughs on me2
This is possibly the WORST scenario you may encounter when playing through ME3.. Who does really want to kill Tali?
This is only possible when you doesn't have enough reputation, when you are at 50/50 paragon/renegade and Tali survived the suicide mission when exiled from the Migrant Fleet
As for me.. both options were available for saving the quarians and the geth!
I chose the Paragon way.. (while the Renegade one is actually a lot cooler) ;)
And for the record.. Seeing Tali commit suicide just made me sad.. :'(
Peace outcome is impossible without ME2 import, and even then only if you either destroyed the geth heretics or prevent Tali's exile. After that there are multiple ways to gain enough requirements to activate the options.
I choose to save the geth but once I saw Tali falling off the cliff I immediately hit the power button and restart the game😂
you are coward. ;live with your choices. if not what is the point
why did most people choose the stupid Quarians? they brought it on themselves. plus it's not like they were all wiped out, there's plenty of them on other planets. Legion is a way better friend than tali, its death was the saddest. it finally said "I" instead of "we" :(
Actually, Bioware released the data, and there were slightly more people choosing the geth which shocked me as well, even though that is what I chose.
SkiDaBird oh really? wells that's great!
Prior to the events of the game, the admirals recalled all quarians on pilgrimage, so its doubtful there still are
*****
I played through mE2 multiple times and i think it's impossible to save everyone. at least one team member has to die (the one you send into the tube at the start of the mission) as for the rest i think you have to spend more time and the nice to them during the game. like for tali in one playthrough i basically ignored her and she died at the end. but in another playthrough i talked to her after every mission and did the character mission with her and she survived
***** if Mordin survives in ME2 than he should be part of the series of missions to cure the krogen (but not a squad member). don't know about thane and Legion is part of the sries of missions to get either the quarian or geth fleets (but not a squad member)
Based shepard
I see people siding more with the Geth of which I believe to be absurd. An entire race laid to waste because of certain individuals creation and abuse of an artificial life form (Don't forget the Quarians on Rannoch that sympathized with the Geth and attempt to intervene on their behalf). I think 300 years of drifting in space without a home would serve a decent penance for the Quarians. Also, everyone is so up in arms about the alleged act of genocide committed against a synthetic "race" when, by legions own admission, there is no individuality within Geth......"society". The Geth are a single AI program with multiple platforms doing the bidding of a single intelligence, one life. I'll choose the Quarians (my girlfriends race ;D) everytime. Letting them all die would be akin to killing all Germans after world war two because of the atrocities of the holocaust (a true genocide)
You give me hope. Lots of retards out there.
Geth on multiple occasions tried to plea for truce between two races. It's the Quarians stubbornness and hostility that forced Geth to seek help from the Reapers. Even during this scenario who is HOSTILE? Quarians are as always. If they only stopped shooting and gave a chance at diplomacy which thank God is one of the options in-game then they would be "Oh.... We can actually reason with extremely intelligent AI who always attacked us in self-defence to our attacks and seek no hostility towards us to begin with." Even back in Mass Effect 2 Legion admitted that the Geth are willing to stop the bloodshed, but knows the Creators wouldn't even listen to them. Which he again states later during the Tali's Trial.
You can call AI merely a program, but the moment AI learns enough to start "thinking" of self-preservation then it's alive and it WILL fight for it's existence. Geth don't hate the Creators, each Geth unit has a record list of Quarians who sacrificed themselves trying to protect them as a sign of tribute that not all Creators forsake them. Quarians stopped being butthurt about the result of the mess they made in the first place, then they live. If they are too stubborn, then they die. Simple as that.
RobiePAX
This is false. The geth isolated themselves and every ship that approached Rannoch was attacked after the quarians left after their defeat.
Also, the quarians who started the war are already long dead by the time you start playing the game. You can't hold the offprings of those quarians responsible for their parent's deeds. It is incredibly racist and also very stupid. Should we hold all germans today responsible for the holocaust? It is stupid, they had no choice in the matter.
Nobody forces the geth to join Sovereign back in Mass Effect 1. Some geth simply found the reapers to be the way that leads to evolution. It wasn't self-defense.
Your love of the geth clearly clouds your judgement and you are biased.
I'm choosing the race with true individuality and altruism. I'm choosing the race that has served their pennance for their ancestors mistakes for over 300 years. I'm choosing the race that cannot experience a breath of fresh air. I'm choosing a race that initiated war not out of hate, but with the Noble goal of regaining their home world. Do you root for the machines within The matrix trilogy as well? By your logic, there was no point of struggle within that movie and of us humans should just be dead for the Crimes our great grandfathers committed.
For the record, I think the best option is to save both races, but if push comes to shove and choice is neccessary, I side with the quarians.
- Break off the attack [no information given as to why]
- Negative, situation under control.
And that is the entirety of the attempt to "call off the attack". Great writing.
Yep. This scene is so contrived that it is downright insulting.
No matter the choice here, Legion should have only dropped to his knees and not topple over. Facing the sunset/sunrise forever.
Anyone who made Tali commit suicide in their playthrough is my enemy.
Savire510
Bitch had it coming... They all did.
@@Transprecious 😱
@@Transprecious amen. Quarians fucked up big time, and now they reapt what they sow.
Tali is the most adorable and heartwarming romance option. Letting this be her fate is like choosing to have Bad Honor with Arthur and go back for the money. Pure evil.
Idk dude, she kills herself because her people were idiots and kept attacking the geth after they had been freed. Her people honestly suck, it’s just bad she felt the need to die because you made the right choice. (Other than the peace) between both, geth deserve to be free, quarians suck)
@@RealWatermelonCat. no lol. The admirals did. You are forgetting everything the geth have done
@@Quole1234 yes the admirals of the quarians who beat and murdered newly conscious geth out of fear of being taken over, and in response to that, where taken over. I finished the game yesterday I got the clear picture
The geth could have killed ALL the quarians from the beginning but chose to spare them. I get most quarians didn’t want the war, but the admiral made the choice to kill the quarians in the end, not the player
@@RealWatermelonCat. the geth sided with the reapers on numerous occasions. You actually can blame all of the geth for that. But you can't blame all of the quarians for the actions of the admirals.
@@Quole1234 the geth that you see at the point of making the choice where under control and had just been freed, they were not going to attack. That point doesn’t change anything
Male Shepard's voice acting is atrocious. Not a hint of real emotion when Tali commits suicide. It sounds more like he's telling a child to stop doing something.
There's nothing wrong with the delivery, just could have been a little louder. He sounds genuinely distressed.
The voice acting for both shepard's is generally very good and full of emotion throughout most of all 3
And if you romanced her in the last game Shepard should have cried for the first time.
*****
male shep is soooooo much worse than fem shep, I really don't know why they didn't hire a voice actor who is actually able to deliver emotions
The Quarians Fugged around and found out. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
-The Geth
-Skynet
-The Machines (Matrix)
They all have one thing in common. They were never the aggressors and never wanted to cause harm. They never started the war but they damned well ended them!!!
Skynet absolutely was the aggressor lmao.
OK guys...who put all these chopped onions around my keyboard
God this was a hard option to see play out in my game. But the geth were simply a people forced into a war
The geth also sided with the reapers in attempting to wipe out all life. They deserve to be killed off
@@Quole1234The Quarians and Tali deserve to get killed off. And they do in each of my playthroughs.
@@JackJackson-tf7jv they did nothing to deserve it
@@JackJackson-tf7jv how can you say that?
The Quarians were given multiple opportunities to end the war, their forces on the ground said OUTRIGHT the attack was a bad idea. They made their bed. It sucks that Tali dies, but I can't put one person over the lives of everyone in the galaxy. Even if they're my significant other.
Wow Tali was your romance interestand you still sided with the geth?
@@Quole1234 If I HAD to pick between the two, yes, I leave the Quarians to their fate. Keep in mind, I've brokered peace between the two in every playthough, but gun to my head...
@@js1031 lol you dont deserve her then. Just imagine telling her you would let her race be exterminated down to the last child to save bunch of machines that sided with the reapers.
@@Quole1234 You mind telling me *why* the Geth were forced to join the Reapers? Just for the record.
@@js1031 first off, them joining the reapers in me3 proves that they will go against their values and side with the opposition if it means survival. That makes them a massive liability against the reapers. Second, this entire war could have been averted if they tried to broker peace with the races of the galaxy instead of being hostile isolationists that ignored the citadels attempts at communication. Third, are you forgetting that the heretics joined the reapers in their attempt to wipe out all life? But we dont judge all the geth on the actions of the reapers of course. But we do judge all the quarians on the actions ofvthe admirals. Except this hypocrisy is even worse once you realize that the true geth ALLOWED the heretics to try to wipe out all life, and then didnt even bother trying to warn the races of the galaxy. Funny how everyone forgot that. So lets get this straight: we will judge every quarian from civilians to admirals, even the children, on the actions of the ones in charge, even if it's established that the civilians were forced in to the war. But we won't judge all the geth for the actions of the heretics, even if it was a concious decision made by the entire geth collective to allow them to do it. And then not warn anyone.
DONT WORRY PEOPLE, he went back a save and picked the good option
As much as many people say Tali is best girl....if what Legion and the Geth were truthful about what started the morning war.....then i dont feel bad for the Quarians....they did it to themselves....
it's neither Tali nor any of the quarians alive at the time of the games that were responsible for the war
Guys, interestingly, statistics show that players were more incline to pick the geth over the quarians, which was quite the surprise among the developers.
Ivan Vassiljevitsch I chose the geth figuring that tali was loyal enough to be able to call off the fleet. I guess peace is just in my nature.
They are incredibly stupid. They admitted they went out of their way to make people side more with the geth so it would be close to 50/50.
What garbage writing
"Call off the attack!"
"No."
🤷♀️
Ya it was a badly written scene.
bruh, Shepard wasn't even looking at her when she was going through the most horrible moment of her life
Lol. I just realized that. They hated Tali so much
Legion/ Geth VI logic, we just got free of the Reapers,
let's just reupload their code that could in no way possibly be harmful to us...
They had to, the quarians were about to destroy them, without the reaper code they would have been wiped out.
duckwantbreads That's just desperate, the desperatness of the situation doesn't make it a good idea.
Actually Legion had the Reaper code in themselves ever since you freed them, they had the time to analyze the stuff they're dealing with by then.
Still a little WTF how can Legion just happen to be in control after you save them but from there on, it's ok.
I would have died if i chose that option, probably have reset the entire game.
Totally romanced Tali, totally chose to save the Geth over the quarians. With the exception of Tali and that one admiral every single other quarian was a lunatic. What kind of species fails to comit gennocide, and then spends the next hundered years plotting to come back and finish the job?
so you romanced tali and then watched her commit suicide? What a despicable piece of shit you are. Congrats on also being manipulated by bioware. Also it wasn't that they were trying to commit genocide you idiot. They were trying to get their planet back. A planet that btw holds no significance to the Geth yet for some reason they don't want to give it back. Also most of the quarians didn't want to go to war.
I try to play everything and every scene in a game, But, I could not bring myself to do this one.
I just finished this mission and the whole time my heart was beating FAST. I was so scared I messed something up along the way. I was able to get the quarian and geth. I came here to see what would happen and I wanna cry. I don't think I could lose Tali
I am so glad I never got this cutscene because I would have been balling my eyes out if I did
I remember I got this on my first playthrough of ME3, think I ended up restarting the game because of it.
I almost cried at Tali's death. Keelah se'lai, Tali Zorah vas Normandy!
same here, dude T_T
if i was there in real life i would have shot myself as soon as she fell because shes my favorite character, also the geth are machines you can build more.
I hear you there
yea but if u romanced tali that would break ur heart and i romanced her just to watch her die D:
Almost? shit this is painful to watch
By far the scene in the game, the quarians deserved it.
@@Quole1234 Hi, can I discuss quarian genocide with you in discord or another chat room?
@@michaelunanyan5217 nah because the geth are actually in the wrong here. I was just trolling this idiot. The geth have always been in the wrong and to think that millions of innocents deserve to die because of one dumb choice from one admiral is a joke. I will never forgive bioware for how manipulative they made this whole story arc.
2:47
Tali! No!
That never sounded right. I don't think the voice actor had any context with this scene.
Jesus!! What exactly do you have to do to fuck up this badly!?!?
It's actually not hard to be forced to do this or wipe out the geth, if legion died in me2 or if you make the wrong choices in their loyalty missions or don't do them then you're forced to pick a side
You need to have really high reputation and also have successfully completed a lot of other missions and have tali and legion both survive from an imported ME2 save or else you have to either let geth or quarians all die
ahh nothing much just be the most sorry ass Shepard imaginable, honestly for shit to go this south it's either
A. you did it on purpose. (sadist)
or
B. your just not cut out to be the 2nd most deadliest sonofabitch in space.
But hey don't feel bad you'll get another chance to be fully awesome Andromeda's right around the corner.
I killed tali :/ I went with the geth ;)
Start with mass effect 3 on PC even tho u played both fucking games on console!!!y isn't there a fucking save sender thing from console to PC
personally I feel like letting the quarians die should've resulted in Legion surviving, would've made the option to achieve peace or not more complicated as a result Tali would b going splat on every playthru of mine cuz Legion is WAAAAAAAAAAY more interesting than her anyday. Essentially being like Shepard: "you talking car windscreen's started a war you couldn't win and now its time to pay the price for such a moronic war you started" *dial tone*
Lol preach!
During my 1st playthrough 12 years ago I did not do this Tali. It's 2023, I'm currently playing Mass Effect 2 legendary edition for my second playthrough and I still will not do this to Tali.
I love this fucking scene. Give those Tali sympathizers what they deserve!
I am going to fuckin die for that.
YakAttack >:(
"i'm going to die for that" damn right you will.
I remember my first play through of ME3 I had a savegame where legion wasn't loyal, I chose to upload the code having no idea the outcome was going to be this bad for the quarians. It was so shocking to me seeing her kill herself, definitely one of the most disturbing gaming moments for me
you can't take peace without Legion's loyalty.
Because it's activate a moral check in dispute "Tali vs Legion"
lmao tali goes splooch
Night night, suit rat!
Talis death is a microcosm of the quarians. The geth didn't kill them, they killed themselves.
No, the geth killed them.
😂 one of my favorite moments
Just before taking a shore leave and have a crazy party with others on the Citadel
Ya, shepard doesn't even care lol
Good riddance.
Lol no
@@Quole1234 her species literally spent 250 years or whatever doing everything they could to cause problems and kill themselves, it was about time, idiot
@@sylinashi8761the geth sided with the reapers, idiot.
@@sylinashi8761it wasn't even the first time they joined the reapers
@@Quole1234 cry
The first time I played ME3, I reunited the Geth and the Quarians... Ultimately that is my preferred outcome, but when I deliberately played this “wrong”, I discovered this scene; *_so_* sexy!!
So sexy. I did the same.
*Tali dies*
*Load Last Save*
This was beyond heartbreaking... the music, watching the Ryya go down, and then... above all... the paragon option, the faint glimmer of hope to save tali, the interrupts that always give us the outcome we want... does not save her, it hurts so much more.
Fuck me Bioware, you were amazing. I piss on the ending haters, Mass Effect is more than a game. You don;t 'care' this much about a game...
Quole1234 Sorry, cant hear you over the bullshit. "Not using any argument whatsoever" Well, well, proves you can't read doesn't it? I pointed out the emotional attachment and you, being a dumbfuck, glance over it. Typical of an ending hater.
Then again, I do not give a fuck what you have to say.
Now go play call of duty. Goodbye. :)
Quole1234 Goodbye dumbfuck. Clearly you lack the mental capacity to understand what I am trying to say.
Now off you fuck. /blocked.
and the female voice is absolute garbige...she shows 100% renegade mentality
Tali crying - A sound more heartbreaking than the scraping of an empty carton of ice cream echoing off the walls of the cancer ward in a children's hospital.
Quarians deserved it. Robots for the win.
no they didnt.
Organics ftw. Stop betraying your own kind idiot
Okay this is bullshit, why didn't Shepard just ask Tali to call off the fleet, wait for the fleet to be called off, and then upload the code to the geth? Tali didn't even attempt to explain the situation to the fleet commander, just told him to stop and didn't do anything when he said no. Shitty bioware writing and forced drama.
Your choices do matter. You can save Tali pretty easilly if you don't go out of your way to get the Quarians killed. The only way the Quarians die is if you're too lazy to do Tali's loyalty mission, or the Rannoch submissions.
How do you fuck up a playthrough bad enough to even get this scene.
Legion died for me in ME2, I thought I could make peace between the quarians and geth by making the geth more intelligent
Thank goodness I waited filled most of my reputation bar before starting this mission. During my canon playthrough, after this mission, I went to IGN to see the other choices and I was shook by the other outcomes.
Fuck this, [Rally the Fleet] and you have a double win.
Fly high, jarhead!!
Lol
"Shepard, you can't choose the geth over my people!"
Oh yes I can. Sucks to be you tali! Should have made the explanation to Gerrel a bit more convincing than "pls no :'("
they're all assholes lol they created a race of sentient AI's and used them as slaves, then tried to commit genocide, but got rekt by their own roombas. survival of the fittest, and you need strong allies to fight the reapers, not retards who will die from a spot of dust
no,because when the Geth were first created,they were just simple VIs,that wasn't illegal by Council regulations
They were like our computers today,designed to take over tasks to make life easier
,by your logic we are slavers as well because we use machines for tasks that result too dangerous or heavy for the average human
we are using smart phones to make our life even easier,does that mean we are slavers?
What if your smartphone started to ask if they had a soul or refuse to do what they were designed for?
I doubt that you would be so sympathetic.
All the quarians did in their eyes was deactivating potentially dangerous and defective machinery
I'd call the Geth on Quarians the real Genocide
Before the Morning war,Rannoch had at least 2 billion quarians living on the planet.
After the war,only 17 million were left alive.
That means 99% of the population of the Quarians were killed during the war.
I doubt that 99% were all military.
At least 25% of the 2 billion must had been elderly and children.
This is Genocide!
Done by the Geth,and you call this acceptable?
this is beyond self defense,this is pure savagery
Sure,2 admirals words are the will of 17 million people.
I prefer beings composed of flesh and blood,that have feelings like me,that ,over cold metal robots that have pieces of code of billions old genocidal machines.
King Derner Cousland i get it, you have a nerd crush on tali, but geth clearly are just defending themselves lol
caudice i don't have a "nerd crush" on Tali
All my explanations were logical.
Hardly self defense when you kill the 99% of the other race.
King Derner Cousland idk if you played through the game and know this but geth spared the quarians when they could have killed them in the beginning, quarians are just dumb and kept attacking (not talking about the last scene where you choose)
It was like that.. Cruelly. It already hurts to watch
I was like I have to save the geth, they were innocent after all, I assumed that the quarians will stop the attack, but no, they got wiped out and then tali kill herself, I feel so sad, but I would never reload a save to undo a decision, the choice was made and I owned it with a broken heart.
Not gonna lie, I would have wanted Legion in my team over Tali. :C
I love Tali, but I have very little sympathy for the Quarians. The whole conflict began with the Geth gaining sentience, and the quarians shot first. For 300 years, at every turn, it was always the quarians who were the aggressors. That only changed when Sovereign arrived, and even then, most Geth didn't join it. Then, in the end, it was the quarians who attacked even after Tali begged them not to. I'm not saying this was every quarian's fault, but they did dig their own grave, especially by involving their own civilian fleet in the attack.
No, it was the admirals' fault. You can't blame all of the quarians for the actions of the admirals while not blaming all of the geth for the actions of the heretics
To be fair, if you had to let one or the other happen, while it would be a very tough choice... I would likely choose the Geth over the Quarians. Like... Tali aside, the Quarians do not paint themselves in a flattering light. In 2, they accuse Tali of treason. In 3, they start a war with the Geth, putting their civilians in the line of fire and in danger by equipping the civilian ships with guns, when they are unshielded, making them easy targets for Geth. And as we see, they were the aggressors in the war that got them driven off their planet. And some of them have learnt nothing from their past. Including the guy they put in charge of the main attacking force of the Quarian fleet.
On the other hand, while the Geth are suspectable to hacking and working for the enemy, what Legion does goes a lot way to fix that issue, and other than that, the Geth are perfectly nice when they are themselves.
Obviously, peace between the two is preferable, but if you had to choose one...
@@Quole1234 Because the Heretics are, essentially, a completely different 'faction' than the rest of the Geth. The heretics are the aggressors in their own conflicts. Much like how the Quarians were the aggressors in both of their wars with the main bulk of the Geth. Not to mention the heretics are not the ones in control of the Quarian's former home world, so they aren’t really too relevant here. I did also point out that the Geth are vulnerable to hacking and working for the enemy.
Meanwhile the Quarian admirals are in charge of the entire race. And those who fought in the previous war was the majority of the Quarian race, only some of them siding with the Geth. Am I say all of the Quarians are guilty? No. Were they still aggressors in both wars against the Geth? Yes.
Which do you think is more guilty, those who attack others, or those who only fight in defence of themselves?
@@Quole1234 I’m also not sure you know what 'cognitive dissonance' means.
@@Quole1234 Go ahead and tell me what it means then. Because it’s a term that you used wrong.
@@Quole1234 Now go ahead and explain why that applies here.
@@Quole1234 Nope, simply don’t see how it applies here. It seems you might have realised your mistake since you’re unwilling to explain, though.
The shocked panic in Tali’s voice hurts so bad man. I can’t do this do her, not to my waifu
Tali will always be my girl i could never...
Legion had more character in one game than Tali did the whole tim.e
Free Speech dated her. boring af
lol no he really didnt. In fact his character didnt even make sense. In ME2 he established that the true geth would never accept the reapers' help because that was what separated them from the heretics, yet that's exactly what he wants in ME3?
There are a lot of principles one might be willing to sacrifice to prevent annihilation of their species
No
@@petargrad2293 they didnt need to though
Noooo, my poor Tali!!!!the life dont make sense :(
I don't get how people can let the scenarios go this far.
The moment I saw it was a decision between Geth and Quanari, and I saw that maybe both can be saved, Mass Effect made me a completionist. I turned every stone on every planet to get both through the story. I FELT the angst and burden to save two civilizations. It was terrible.
because you stupid
It irked me the way the writers try to ham-fist in some Geth sympathy ploy. These are the same machines that were impaling Alliance soldiers on Eden Prime. That viewed the Reapers as their gods. Oh, well, it was all in their coding, they'd say. If that's the case then I cannot trust your coding. I sided with the Quarians because I'd listened to Legion's shtick once and re-wrote "the heretics" only to have to fight them again.
I didn't actually know this was a thing... It's gut wrenching to watch it
Geth: "We have more numbers, better technology and want peace."
Space Slavs: "BLYAAAAAT NYEEEET"
Geth: *shrug* "I mean I guess we'll shoot you if you don't stop."
Tali: "My race are fucking morons lol I'ma jump off a cliff."
Me: RIP Legion :"(
Hm..never knew this existed..actually managed to get everyone saved
I just cause my beloved Tali die. Because I believe geth was rigth, i still think actually. Quarians attack themself and geth was only trying to defend therselfs. I still think geth has rigth to live but watch tali die, man. I think I cant handle this outcome.
So you let tali die after romancing her?
"they made there choice", *sighs* yeah, I suppose they did... So glad I managed Peace or I would have had to live through this.
actually they didnt. most of the quarians didnt want the war and you know that there's millions of children on the migrant fleet so that is factually wrong.
Who esle was duped into getting this? Since the brighter white dialouge options normaly meant good outcomes.