When he chose to go in the hall of fame as a raptor , that was his apology. It showed how important the time he spent here was. Time to let go , he put Toronto on the map. Even if we tried we can’t forget what he did for us. Hope Demar , and Kyle get the same respect in the future.
"When he chose to go in the hall of fame as a raptor , that was his apology. " He choose to go in as a Raptors because that's what's also personal beneficial to him. What other franchise is he going to be able to be associated post-career which will benefit him (yes, also financially) than the Raptors? lol
@@kiroolioneaver8532 Brooklyn is a bigger market..... Dallas, and all the connections Mark Cuban has. What is Toronto doing that they cant lmao, TSN features???
@@LL-si9cl Canada is the biggest market 40 million people lol Also no one is arguing he's in the top three of players who ever played for those other franchises. Would Rudy Gay make a lot of money post-retirement cashing in on his years as a Raptor? lol
I was actually more pissed when Mcgrady left because it was mostly because he wanted to be The Guy and he didn’t want to be Vince’s sidekick. I remember Tracy telling the story that Kobe Bryant said to him once that he should have stayed with TO and that he and Shaq probably would have played the raptors at least two times in the NBA finals with him and Vince!
I should note that the East was historically awful in the early 2000s, so I don't know if we actually had a chance against the Lakers or Spurs. No question though we have a finals run if McGrady stayed.
@@johndebono1870vc and tmac would of been of legendary status never to be seen before. Closest thing too it would of been a healthly pg and kawhi but even better offensively with slight lower level defense. Jason tatum and jaylan brown wouldnt even beable to comepare
Wow so amazing still tho even kobe bryant even said that McGrady should've stayed tho see what I mean and kobe always kept it still tho fo realz so yeah.
Tmac could have also signed and get traded to a team he wanted. We ended up with nothing in return. CB 4 did the same thing. I don’t blame VC for moving on. We don’t really know what’s going on inside the club. He’s probably frustrated on the way the direction it’s going. Anyone has the right to move on if they’re unhappy in their workplace.
T-mac would have never became the player he did if he didn't leave. It's easy to say these things in hindsight but it was he right move with the information he had at the time. His career probably would have been worse off if he didn't leave (unless they pulled off a championship). The Raptors organization could have treated him better too.
The passion in Canada is real. Vince Carter did amazing for us. Basketball is a business and he had to leave. Thank you to the best in and out game dunker of all time 🎉🙏🏾
combined my Christmas and bday gifts and got the Purple Carter 15. The only jersey I had as a kid and the only one i needed. Thank you Vince. "Let's go home ladies and gentleman!"
It doesn't matter. He was making tens of millions to play basketball. He owed it to his teammates and the fans who paid his salary to give a full effort every night.
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 it does matter actually. Three documentaries can show you that. Peddie even went on record apologizing and saying it was the worst decision. You had a bunch of impatient leafs executives and media members that were desperate for a winner and didn't know how to treat their FIRST NBA superstar. They hire a new GM who instantly wanted to make Chris Bosh the franchise without even telling Vince the plan. 4 head coaches in 5 years. Blamed the man for his injuries who went on to eventually play 22 years in the league.
Growing up watching Jordan was amazing. To see Toronto's birth into the NBA was fascinating and exciting. I'm a Football fan but it was Vince Carter that got me to watch basketball, got me to watch the Raptors. I remember when Vince left, I felt hurt. I remember when Tracy left, I felt hurt. Those two guys really gave me the love for the sport and at the same time gave me pain. I was so surprised and happy when he returned to Toronto and finally understood that it was more than his move on but what he did.. those times when I first loved watching the Raptors. Placing the Raptors into the NBA team which can draft great players and also cause unrest in the NBA. Congratulation Vince!!!
I remember when it all went down and MAN I HATED VC, but now knowing what really happened I can see why Vince wanted out I still don’t like how he left but I understand it. Time does heal and now I just remember all the good times.
We don't know the full story. These nba organizations are shady. teams have betrayed players all the time and fans don't care for that. But when players want out they never forget it.
@Xcoming2 Right !!! They were leaking garbage and lies to the media to make him look bad , I just hope sooner rather then later that he talks about what was going on behind the scenes once that new gm got there in 2003
@@chrisvlinton I was about to make the same point. We can't hold a grudge against Carter 10 years after the public reconciliation and talk about the DeMar trade as an all time great move at the same time.
Sorry but he doesn’t have to apologize. I hated when he got traded, tormented the raps/fans and how the franchise struggled for what seemed like a decade, but the incompetent management didn’t realize they had a MJ or Kobe like player, but Butch Carter did. You work with him and build around him, and he tried to work with management but he got brushed off, you don’t do that to your best employee in any work environment. I don’t blame him even if it was unprofessional. What he has done for Toronto and Canadian basketball won’t be found in stats but it is immeasurable for decades to come. To all the haters, let it go. The first Raptors as a HOF is the step of reconciliation and we all have to recognize that. 15 VC Forever. McGrady leaving was horrible but it was his right and it helped changed the rules for rookies that can’t just walk away after the drafting team develops them over 3 years. Lots of painful memories but lots of great things happened since with 2019 chip as the cherry on top. Time to move on.
all facts. anyone who didnt see the Raptors play in Skydome has no right to say anything cuz they were kids at the time and only going off what they heard later. Anyone old enough to have seen this whole evolution of this team is happy for this moment. The dude was a superstar and we should respect him.
Some of us have been fans since day one and Vince’s actions hurt and cut deep. It left a franchise feeling irrelevant after such a groundbreaking presence. I will always love Vince as a person and a player but I can’t explain why I can’t watch his retirement speech nor the jersey retirement. Not bitter at all but there’s nothing he can do to change how we as fans were left feeling after his trade. Still love the player that was here though.
get over it. He created the raptors. Without him the raptors would not have been must watch tv. One of the best selling Jersey of all time belongs to VC and is a raptors jersey. Shit happens but to act like VC left TOR because the team wasn't building a good team around him. In 02-03 they finished 27th and then 23rd in 03-04. 2 years of being garbage and not doing anything to help during his prime. Look at who they drafted: 1999: Bender who's the only player in the top 10 of that draft to not average above 7ppg (everyone else in the top 10 is above 12.5ppg). They also had the 12th pick and drafted a guy who didn't even average 2ppg.. 2001: Bradley (2.8ppg) when they could have had Zbo. 2002: weak draft class 2003: They draft CB which is a great pick but VC is in his prime. He's not trying to wait for a full rebuild. They only made the playoffs 3 times during his tenure. They did nothing to help the team after the 01 loss. Trading for a 39 year old... that's a joke. They let Tmac walk for free in 2000. That's not how you win a title. You trade him during the season if you can't get an extension done.
VC tried to make it work. I’m still not happy with the way he left, but when you’re that age and the front office screws you over….I don’t blame him. Just wish McGrady hadn’t left….Carter, McGrady and maybe a Bosh later down the line…..just imagine. The past is the past, but his impact can’t be debated. Guy single handedly propelled basketball into Canada…Toronto now is a hotbed of basketball talent, it’s all because of Vince.
Found myself choked up watching this, could relate to all the people in the video. He was a childhood hero and just quit on us, he's honestly such an enigma. I appreciate everything he's done for Toronto
We have to thank VC he changed basketball forever in Canada he’s the one who spurned excitement for basketball in Canada that created so many great Canadian players. Yes the beef was bad and it hurt but doesn’t change what he did for basketball in Canada.
Been a Raps fan since day one, and support VC's jersey retirement 100%. I held grudges against the man in the past, but let it go once I realized that Raps management were the ones truly at fault (letting McGrady go, hiring Babcock, etc...THAT is what set back the franchise for years). The entitled fans asking for an apology are still going to justify hating VC even if he does apologize...I hope he doesn't give in and won't apologize. Congrats to VC for making the HOF and having his jersey in the rafters... thanks for putting us on the map!
I still wear his jersey, my favorite player of all time. But I can not let the situation go completely. I have forgiven Carter, but it still hurts 20 years later. I refuse to blame him completely because I truly don't know the faults of the Raptors organization or what their impact was for Vince wanting to leave Toronto. It is said that the loss of your first love cuts the deepest, and I equate that to this situation. It's difficult to think back and think what could have happened if he had stayed.
@I-800-Unc-Drew Well, if there's anything that polarizes Raptors fans, it's how we feel about Vince 20 years after it all went down. Had Vince ended up winning NBA titles after being traded from Toronto, then I would probably feel hurt like you do, but seeing how his career played out (only had 3 or 4 prime seasons after Toronto, only played in one conference final where his team was eliminated, etc) it honestly doesn't hurt at all at this point, for me.
That's a bad question. He was a young man that was thrown into the limelight for a new team in a new country and the management was horrible. Why does he have to apologize. Management drop the ball imo. I was 15 when he left, grew up loving the raptors. I was upset about it but as I got older I understood.
I've been over it decades ago and TO fans should let it go too. Like ppl are saying, basketball is a business. Our front office was not nearly even close to the level of competence of the Masai era and even WITH our most loyal star player DeRoze who played his heart out and WANTED to stay look where loyalty got him. Basketball is a business and sometimes the relationship btw player and management falls apart and player got to do what they think is best for their career, but Vince always had love for the fans and it was never against us. VC sowed the seed of basketball aspirations for future generations. Understand that for a lot of 90s and 00s kids, they would of NEVER even picked up a basketball if it wasn't for seeing VC balling for the Raps on TV.
Was REALLY hoping for the words Sorry to come out of his mouth in this video. He doesnt even need to apologize for everything, we know its not all his fault, but he still has no apologized for his part or at least explained it.
I've watched this about 4x in the past hour. It's a great video. It's emotional. A lot of people are torn. But I for one am extremely happy that wounds are being mended. That Vince is back where he belongs. I hope that there's a place for VC in the orginization. Can't wait for Saturday!
it takes a lot of courage to address this topic. he never bashed the fans and took the boos on the chin. he understood why fans felt betrayed and hated him but showed love. that's why he cried when the boos stopped and the cheers started 10 years after he left, emotional at the jersey retirement ceremony and every moment honouring him. you can tell he regrets it and has been making amends for a while unlike mcgrady who gets away with it because he became a star after he left. bosh and mcgrady are quitters but they don't get called out.
You can't celebrate 2019 without out the Carter trade. It's not a debate, in my opinion. You can't celebrate "Derozan traded for Kawhi" because of short term success when the VC trade, while absolutely being brutal to the Raptors' in the short term, was the domino that eventually led to the long term success, even if it took 15 years. The Raptors drafted Bosh in an attempt to support VC; then the team was gutted after VC left that it led to a #1 pick (Bargnani). He eventually led to the NYK trade that led to key pieces for the 2019 team. They drafted Derozan to support Bosh. Then Bosh left and Derozan said "I got us" and every single Raptors fan who wanted to see a franchise player/Vince Carter live, breath, and wear Toronto on his back and in his heart, we saw Demar Derozan do it instead. Masai Ujiri took all those dominos that fell from the Carter trade and turned it into a championship, including trading Derozan (who, without question, will also have his jersey retired one day. It's not even a debate). If people still lament the trade, and wish for a different outcome, that means you're wishing for a different history and maybe 2019 never happens. There's no and/or/ifs about it. And on a national scale, for so long, so many who claimed to be basketball fans never supported the national team when they were in the dumps. And now so many pro Canadian players have elevated the program, and almost all of this current golden generation would name Vince Carter as an idol or THEIR favourite player growing up. To argue against Carter being celebrate is to literally argue against the growth of the national program and ignore THE main factor as to why Canada basketball is where it is right now in 2024. To go back to Derozan, I hate that Raptors fans are quick to discard him and turn their back on him like they did Carter, when was literally the #1 performing player stats-wise in franchise history. He became the player that Raps fans wanted out from Carter. The discourse on Derozan right now is sad to see for me, when he did exactly what we wanted from Carter, and we're crucifying him for not leading the Raptors to a title. It makes no sense to be on the side that doesn't celebrate Vince Carter, and also be on the side that doesn't want to celebrate Demar Derozan. There's a disconnect and contradiction in supporting those two side. Kyle Lowry is the greatest leader in Raptors history; Demar Derozan is the best statistical player in Raptors history, Kawhi Leonard is the best talent in Raptors history... but Vince Carter is the most impactful player in franchise history. And his place in the rafters is deserved. As a Montrealer who grew up loving basketball for Vince Carter, I was proud to be there on Saturday, November 2nd for 15's raising to the rafters. And I will be there again when Derozan's number goes up eventually. 15 forever 10 forever
VC, love or hate him his true value was his impact -not just for the Raptors and Canada, but basketball as a whole, he was the leading vote-getting for all-stars game for several years, by a wide margin, he was on the highlight reel every night seen around the world, he gave basketball a new meaning. I remember never missing single Raptors game on TV during the VC years because you knew he was going to do something spectacular every night, he put us on the edge of our seats. He was simply larger than life.
Only reason Vince is here is because he didn't do all that much since leaving TO. If he went on to win a title in NJ, his career numbers kept improving etc etc...TO wouldn't be on the map. He had 3 good years in NJ and things went downhill after that....still had a great career, played 20+ years, but this was the peek. Still no reason to hold a grudge...I think we should all forgive and forget...I'm glad TO is retiring his number...but let's not paint the guy as some kind of saint. He did alot in his time here, left under questionable terms...he didn't show up that final year...he quit on his teammates and the fans...regardless of how bad management was that was mistake...I'm sure he felt inVinceable at the time...time proved his wrong. As fan I can't help but to dream what could have been had the raptors managed to keep VC and TMAC....oh well.
apologize on what though...the raptors org was incompetent and he should have stayed and rotten forever? it's also not like he is Canadian and leaving for more money..etc
The greatest What If story of all-time. VC was the Air Apparent that never was.... and it broke all of our hearts. He was and still is the closest thing we've ever had to a second coming, but we'll have to settle for this ending, however bittersweet.
Vince needs to own his side of the situation. He’s never admitted that his behaviour was immature, nor has he acknowledged that his departure set the team back by a decade. He owes that to the fans that were hurt when he left, regardless of the fact that the team’s management was dysfunctional back then.
he doesn’t owe anyone anything, the entitlement some of you fans have is wild, it’s sports my guy and it’s not that deep. holding on to a grudge for so long is sad
@@cp81-jy2xl if you can’t understand the significance of this video and the complexity of this moment for the fanbase, just sit this one out. I lived the highs and lows of that era. We don’t need a referee in the comments.
As a magic fan for all of their 36 years, I feel that us putting Shaq up last year, led the way for this VC banner to be were it belongs. Not all retired jerseys have a happy story book run-through. But VC deserves to have his jersey up in Toronto and be the 1st to do it. They wouldve disbanded that team and moved them to Kentucky if it weren't for him and Tracy 98- 2000 On a side note, As a Magic fan we had just traded Penny in 99. I had a policy of never cheering for any other player That wasn't wearing magic pinstripes or stars. But I won a gatorade Vince Carter book cover at school With him and a actual raptor. Then came a game against the clips Where they were down most of the night, but everybody stayed to see that cock-back dunk He caught off the alley-oop. He ended up winning that game himself. Follow that with the dunk contest performance that I still remember seeing in my parents room and Nearly falling off the bed. A week later, they put the raptors against the suns on NBC and I think he scored 50 on penny And j kidd. I say all of that.Just to conclude that it was the only time in my life I ever cheered for any player who wasn't on my orlando magic. And as you can tell even in that short period those memories are still vivid. Imagine how much more a fan seeing him every night in toronto feels
Why can't the organization publicly apologize for hiring Rob babcock? All the issues started when the Raptors hired him as GM. If you are over 30 and still salty, get a life and let it go. Both sides were at fault it was never all on vince.
At that time Vince was different and had a huge ego. He did not make it easy on the Raptors nor did his mom. For him to apologize is pointless because we all know what he did and why bother dig up the past. Love him or hate him... he is one of the founding players and the way he played was incredible.
What I don’t think some understand is the love people had for him is why it hurt so much . I’m very happy for Vince hope this brings him closure …but he is not a player that in my books is worthy of the honour he’s clearly seeking
It’s not even debatable. If it weren’t for Vince, basketball would have never stuck in Canada. I’m not a huge basketball fan or not even a Raptors fan………but as a Canadian, I’ll be watching the ceremony. He left a mark on the sports history of this nation.
He made a lot of us want to fly and dance amongst the sea of stars. The fabric of Basketball culture in this country is on his shoulders. Regardless of how he left, you can't deny his impact.
He may not have "apologized" but in true Vince Carter fashion, I think he addressed it when he said in his retirement, (non-verbatim) that this is for us and that the we're all going up there. It was like he was saying let's uplift everything up there, the good and the bad - and move on. That's how he "apologized".
Anyone who thinks 15 doesn’t belong above the court is selfish. I get it, I understand what it felt like. I HATED him after that. As I grew up, I saw with my own eyes what he did for basketball in this country. You cannot deny the impact Vince Carter had in Canada. 15 deserves to be there, end of story.
As a Golden State Warriors fan since 1992. My Teenage self at the time, was pissed when the Warriors traded Vince Carter to the Raptors on draft night (1998) for Antawn Jamison. Jamison was considered a better College player at the time, but I still wanted the Warriors to draft Vince. Looking back in hindsight, if the Warriors had kept Vince Carter and he remained a Warrior for the rest of his career. Golden State wouldn't of been bad enough to draft Steph Curry at #7 in (2009) and the (Warriors Dynasty 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022) probably doesn't happen. Also to if Vince goes to Golden State, the Toronto Raptors would've possibly relocated to another city in America by 2005 with no VC on the Raptors. Look at the Vancouver Grizzlies , they had no Super Star player on the Roster and ended up moving to the States and becoming the Memphis Grizzlies in 2001. Having Vince Carter on the Raptors literally kept the team in Toronto and stopped the team from leaving Canada.
You know why Vince can't apologize? Because he'd be forced to tell the WHOLE story and that would make him seem petty at this point. The media turned on him and management let him down. That is the real story. The guy went through 4 coaches and a management team that was focused on hockey. Despite that he was recruiting and trying to get guys here but management failed him. They focused the budget on the leafs not the Raptors. Also, Sam Mitchell had a contentious coaching style and was confrontational with Vince instead of supporting his young star. Vince could say all that but the classy thing to do is let it slide. Thats why he's so emotional. He LOVED Toronto. He opened up clubs, he held events, he did so much to bring people to the city. Caribana blew up even bigger in the early 2000's because of VC's presence. Hip hop in Canada got a nod of respect because of Vince. Lets keep be real...black Americans determine what is 'cool' in the world and VC gave the stamp of approval to Toronto. Period. I remember seeing Shaq, Chauncey Billups Ray Allen and other hoopers just coming up to the city just to hang out after VC put the city on the map. That NEver happened before Vince. The Raptors were headed nowhere before this dude. So when we tell the young guys that we could easily be the "Charlotte Raptors" we are NOT kidding. It was that close (like the Grizzlies) and then this brother came and elevated the game in Canada. He owes no apology to be honest. We should all just appreciate the dude for what he did. He's the first hall of fame retired with our city's jersey....lets just respect the brother and appreciate the moment.
@@easyE0287 I hope so. I've been waiting for 20 years to hear it. I felt everything all those fans said - the good and the bad. The DeRozan/Lowry era of some decent success was partial healing. The moment that WE forgave him in 2014 was partial healing (made possible by us finally having a bit of success). The championship was partial healing. But my heart's still not whole. 💔
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556it’s a no win situation. If he apologizes, then it’s admitting he make a mistake. The only mistake was by the front office not wanting to build a contender around Carter anymore.
@@moonjpwe will never know what truly happened, and what the circumstances were, but the easy thing is to say you could have handled it differently, that you were young, that you were immature, that you didn’t realize what you meant to Toronto and Canada, that we, including Vince, didn’t get to realize all of the greatness come to fruition, and that you’re sorry it ended the way it did.
Grizzlies fan - and I agree with you. Vince MADE basketball in Toronto. Period. Forget the market size, etc. The excitement Vince brought, and he also had love for the city.
@@LL-si9cl So were the Grizzlies before the excitement of having a team wore off. Personally, I would have preferred retiring Lowry and DeRozan first for leading the first successful era of Raptors basketball. However, the fact basketball is a thing in Canada is almost entirely because of Carter.
Why should Vince apologize??? The sad thing is that I'm certain that you heard former Raptors coach Sam Mitchell talk about the fact that Vince told management that he didn't want to be traded, yet Grundwald traded him for a bag of nothing, and if you are willing to do a little bit of research you would find out that the organization is the one who should apologize to Vince, for promising him that he would have a say in the selection of the new coach, yet when he brought Dr J in for an interview the team refused to interview him. Who wouldn't be upset about that, you can't expect for someone to lie to you and then for you to pretend like nothing is wrong. It's about time that you fools who want to hold animosity towards Vince wake the hell up and realize that he was the victim and not the villain that you keep pushing for him to be. STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!!
i was a raptors fans because i fell in love with the sport of basketball becasue i of vince. I became a raptor ride or die, then first tmac then vince both leaving, really left a bad taste in my mouth, i am still better i stuck with the raps ever since, and when we won a chip with kwahi, i was finally healing, fuckin hell then kwahi does a vince. I cant take it anymore.
Difference is, Vince didn't leave as a free agent like Kawhi did...when Vince made up his mind and was willing to stay, Rob Babcock already pulled the trigger on the trade.
It's easy to look back now...but in those days NBA basketball in Toronto wasn't the same as in the U.S. It's hard for players back then (especially U.S.-born players who played in Canada) to see the impact they had. It was evident when Vince was there, when TMac was there, and when Chris Bosh was there. I actually think the turning point was the rise of Drake's superstardom, which put a bigger light on Toronto, making it "cooler" to be in that city. Drake's rise also came at the same time DeRozen showed up, which is why DeRozen (and every star who came afterward -- except Kawhi) loved the city. So yes, looking back now it's easy for folks to say "why did Vince leave TO high and dry"? But to most U.S.-born players, Toronto just wasn't as high on the priority list until Drake's rise came.
While I understand the negative emotion people feel toward Vince regarding how his time in Toronto ended I think we have to remember, and it took me some time to really come to terms with it, but the front office treated him like shit during that time as well. We had a new Canadian team who was going through its paces and started to screw up their relationship with their first real superstar (kinda felt like they acting like a jealous partner) and then on the other side we had a young superstar who was just responding to that treatment and lets be honest how many of us as young 20 something year olds can say we would have been able to keep a better composure and not do what Vince did. Point is, its been decades since this happened, we may not have a video taped apology from Vince, and hey I'm sure we wont get an apology from those in the front office back then either, but its pretty damn clear from how he has interacted with fans and new Raptors players over the last decade or so that he wanted to regain our trust and reconnect, so we should take the olive branch that he extended to us and accept back as one of the most influential and greatest players to lace it up for our home town team.
If there is a FIRST raptor, heck, if there is only ONE slot for Raptors arena to have a banner, only one name comes up to mind You deserve it, VC Congrats, Vinsanity! Let's go home!!!!
No one leaves a job and needs to apologize. We think we own athletes. We forget it’s JOB. It’s a sport grown men get paid to do and we should grow up and go do our jobs.
I remember that time ... Me and my brother would record every raptors game ... I remember Lakers offering kobe for vince ... we were like no way! It hurt you left but for us I never could hate you ...
Always two sides of the story. He did act immature on his way out of town but hey it was 20 years ago. His wanting to join the hof as a Raptor speaks a lot of how he really felt about Toronto
This is why i will ALWAYS side with players to choose their own faith. The franchise ALWAYS put their interests first and make the players the enemy. That's exactly what happened to Vincent Carter. He owes NO ONE an apology. The raptors franchise owes Vincent EVERYTHING. He's the reason anyone around the world took Raptors serious or Canada as a basketball country. How ironic that their has never been another super star player to stay since Vincent Carter. Vince Carter is the G.R.O.A.T. GREATEST RAPTOR OF ALL TIME.
This whole last month has brought back many painful memories and feelings. I managed to finally stop hating him - and still I don't hate him - but I am conflicted about the jersey retirement after coming to peace with it. I thought he was going to apologize in this video. Instead, just more VC dick-riding. He turned this franchise into a laughingstock for almost 10 years. Will he apologize at this jersey retirement tonight? If it didn't come years ago, tonight would be the night to do it. Just fn apologize ffs. Don't be too proud to apologize. I cannot take anymore of this dick-riding during the game broadcasts and on social media. It's embarrassing to watch and listen to. We sound like simps. I cannot fully let this go until he apologizes. Unequivocally.
I’m the same… and you can’t say anything about it without some dishonest straw man argument that we’re so sad because we hate him still and need to “grow up and let it go”… I don’t hate him but I don’t think someone that played 5 years here and didn’t win should have his number retired… and he did NOT make basketball what it is is Canada. Correlation is not causation… basketball and soccer are both popular now because of changing demographics and significantly increased exposure on traditional broadcasters and social media.
Strangely enough I believe one true honest raw way of seeing how much a person was/is loved is by witnessing the emotion of hate that is brought out of oneself once that person is gone …..if Raptor fans didn’t love VC so much they wouldn’t have booed him so much when he came back home in another jersey …..it’s a beautiful thing to see and I don’t think there has been any other sports athlete who played for a Toronto sports organization who was/is more truly loved than Vince Carter …it’s an emotional roller coaster and that can only happen through REAL love
wanting to leave was not the issue - HOW he left was the issue. He quit on the team in those last games, he stopped trying. And demanding a trade midseason got us nothing in return... and I still didn't hear an apology!
Yep… this was fluffy meaningless PR meant to pull on heart strings. He had a great career but he didn’t play here that long, didn’t win, and didn’t want to play in that last season… I don’t hate the guy but he doesn’t deserve a jersey retirement. And I say this as someone who’s extremely unkind to Babcock and the organization at that time. People fall back on this unprovable “well he made basketball what it is in Canada” and “he put us on the map”… no he didn’t. Soccer is also way bigger now. Basketball is big in Canada now for the same reasons soccer is, because of changing demographics and more exposure on tv and social media.
He is a professional basketball player who was paid well to do his job. By quitting on the team, he lowered his trade value and Toronto got little in return. There's no emotion in those facts. He hurt the franchise when he wanted to leave and that is the reason he should not be immortalized in Toronto by retiring his jersey.
thank you.. all the other people brown nosing are post championship fans or just don't remember. Forgive, don't forget. K-Low should be honored with the first jersey retirement.. other teams ever retire a jersey based on fandom?
You and the other hating idiots are suffering so much from tunnel vision that it's pathetic. The fact that you would defend MLSE shows you're more of a shill than Carter can ever be. The only ones who has their head up MLSE's butts are you and the haters because you believe a corporate narrative spin rather than understanding that there are two sides to the fallout. Get over yourself. You sound like a jilted EX that is still thinking about a break up OVER 20 Years AGO LOL
As a Raptors organization then.they failed hard to hold on to our future star.. putting the pieces around him and making him feel welcome in a country where basketball is not it. Using him a a catlyst to propell basketball in Canada...for everyone to look for an apology from this man, get over it... why dont the critics go after the organization for messing a monumental person go?
Quit the sass and appreciate what he did for Toronto. Petty and legacy don’t belong in one sentence, and it’s big time to choose one. Nothing but love for this man from this city ✈️
Two biggest takeaways here: 1. I appreciate that TSN aren't the VC propagandist's that Sportsnet are 2. Vince watches people calling for an apology and still doesn't offer one
stop gaslighting. no VC, rapter would not be that strong today. the jersey is retired, and vince gave one of the most passionated speech. as a raptor fans i cant be happier to witness this happened
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When he chose to go in the hall of fame as a raptor , that was his apology. It showed how important the time he spent here was. Time to let go , he put Toronto on the map. Even if we tried we can’t forget what he did for us.
Hope Demar , and Kyle get the same respect in the future.
"When he chose to go in the hall of fame as a raptor , that was his apology. " He choose to go in as a Raptors because that's what's also personal beneficial to him. What other franchise is he going to be able to be associated post-career which will benefit him (yes, also financially) than the Raptors? lol
@@kiroolioneaver8532Memphis 😂
@@kiroolioneaver8532man stfu he doesn’t need to apologize it’s called a business
@@kiroolioneaver8532 Brooklyn is a bigger market..... Dallas, and all the connections Mark Cuban has. What is Toronto doing that they cant lmao, TSN features???
@@LL-si9cl Canada is the biggest market 40 million people lol Also no one is arguing he's in the top three of players who ever played for those other franchises. Would Rudy Gay make a lot of money post-retirement cashing in on his years as a Raptor? lol
I was actually more pissed when Mcgrady left because it was mostly because he wanted to be The Guy and he didn’t want to be Vince’s sidekick.
I remember Tracy telling the story that Kobe Bryant said to him once that he should have stayed with TO and that he and Shaq probably would have played the raptors at least two times in the NBA finals with him and Vince!
I should note that the East was historically awful in the early 2000s, so I don't know if we actually had a chance against the Lakers or Spurs.
No question though we have a finals run if McGrady stayed.
@@johndebono1870vc and tmac would of been of legendary status never to be seen before. Closest thing too it would of been a healthly pg and kawhi but even better offensively with slight lower level defense. Jason tatum and jaylan brown wouldnt even beable to comepare
Wow so amazing still tho even kobe bryant even said that McGrady should've stayed tho see what I mean and kobe always kept it still tho fo realz so yeah.
Tmac could have also signed and get traded to a team he wanted. We ended up with nothing in return. CB 4 did the same thing. I don’t blame VC for moving on. We don’t really know what’s going on inside the club. He’s probably frustrated on the way the direction it’s going. Anyone has the right to move on if they’re unhappy in their workplace.
T-mac would have never became the player he did if he didn't leave. It's easy to say these things in hindsight but it was he right move with the information he had at the time. His career probably would have been worse off if he didn't leave (unless they pulled off a championship). The Raptors organization could have treated him better too.
The passion in Canada is real. Vince Carter did amazing for us. Basketball is a business and he had to leave.
Thank you to the best in and out game dunker of all time 🎉🙏🏾
combined my Christmas and bday gifts and got the Purple Carter 15. The only jersey I had as a kid and the only one i needed. Thank you Vince. "Let's go home ladies and gentleman!"
Why the hell doesnt anyone say that the team quit on him first? Richard Peddie and Rob Babcock screwed the fans
It doesn't matter. He was making tens of millions to play basketball. He owed it to his teammates and the fans who paid his salary to give a full effort every night.
@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 it does matter actually. Three documentaries can show you that. Peddie even went on record apologizing and saying it was the worst decision.
You had a bunch of impatient leafs executives and media members that were desperate for a winner and didn't know how to treat their FIRST NBA superstar. They hire a new GM who instantly wanted to make Chris Bosh the franchise without even telling Vince the plan. 4 head coaches in 5 years. Blamed the man for his injuries who went on to eventually play 22 years in the league.
Exactly these fake ass fans who hate on him are morons who believed the negative BS the media said about him.
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 Why doesn't it matter? Peddie and Babcock were making millions too.
Exactly. One of the worst front offices the league has ever seen. Legendarily inept.
Growing up watching Jordan was amazing. To see Toronto's birth into the NBA was fascinating and exciting. I'm a Football fan but it was Vince Carter that got me to watch basketball, got me to watch the Raptors. I remember when Vince left, I felt hurt. I remember when Tracy left, I felt hurt. Those two guys really gave me the love for the sport and at the same time gave me pain. I was so surprised and happy when he returned to Toronto and finally understood that it was more than his move on but what he did.. those times when I first loved watching the Raptors. Placing the Raptors into the NBA team which can draft great players and also cause unrest in the NBA. Congratulation Vince!!!
I remember when it all went down and MAN I HATED VC, but now knowing what really happened I can see why Vince wanted out I still don’t like how he left but I understand it. Time does heal and now I just remember all the good times.
vince carter aside, the production quality of this doc is great. more of this please
Had the same thought. Good stuff.
We don't know the full story. These nba organizations are shady.
teams have betrayed players all the time and fans don't care for that. But when players want out they never forget it.
It's business, ask Demar about his trade. Remember how he felt?
@Xcoming2 Right !!! They were leaking garbage and lies to the media to make him look bad , I just hope sooner rather then later that he talks about what was going on behind the scenes once that new gm got there in 2003
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@@chrisvlinton I was about to make the same point. We can't hold a grudge against Carter 10 years after the public reconciliation and talk about the DeMar trade as an all time great move at the same time.
Sad but true especially back then
Sorry but he doesn’t have to apologize. I hated when he got traded, tormented the raps/fans and how the franchise struggled for what seemed like a decade, but the incompetent management didn’t realize they had a MJ or Kobe like player, but Butch Carter did. You work with him and build around him, and he tried to work with management but he got brushed off, you don’t do that to your best employee in any work environment. I don’t blame him even if it was unprofessional. What he has done for Toronto and Canadian basketball won’t be found in stats but it is immeasurable for decades to come. To all the haters, let it go. The first Raptors as a HOF is the step of reconciliation and we all have to recognize that. 15 VC Forever. McGrady leaving was horrible but it was his right and it helped changed the rules for rookies that can’t just walk away after the drafting team develops them over 3 years. Lots of painful memories but lots of great things happened since with 2019 chip as the cherry on top. Time to move on.
all facts. anyone who didnt see the Raptors play in Skydome has no right to say anything cuz they were kids at the time and only going off what they heard later. Anyone old enough to have seen this whole evolution of this team is happy for this moment. The dude was a superstar and we should respect him.
Some of us have been fans since day one and Vince’s actions hurt and cut deep. It left a franchise feeling irrelevant after such a groundbreaking presence. I will always love Vince as a person and a player but I can’t explain why I can’t watch his retirement speech nor the jersey retirement. Not bitter at all but there’s nothing he can do to change how we as fans were left feeling after his trade. Still love the player that was here though.
get over it. He created the raptors. Without him the raptors would not have been must watch tv. One of the best selling Jersey of all time belongs to VC and is a raptors jersey.
Shit happens but to act like VC left TOR because the team wasn't building a good team around him. In 02-03 they finished 27th and then 23rd in 03-04. 2 years of being garbage and not doing anything to help during his prime.
Look at who they drafted:
1999: Bender who's the only player in the top 10 of that draft to not average above 7ppg (everyone else in the top 10 is above 12.5ppg). They also had the 12th pick and drafted a guy who didn't even average 2ppg..
2001: Bradley (2.8ppg) when they could have had Zbo.
2002: weak draft class
2003: They draft CB which is a great pick but VC is in his prime. He's not trying to wait for a full rebuild.
They only made the playoffs 3 times during his tenure. They did nothing to help the team after the 01 loss. Trading for a 39 year old... that's a joke. They let Tmac walk for free in 2000. That's not how you win a title. You trade him during the season if you can't get an extension done.
@ thanks hockey guy! You’d really understand wouldn’t you! STFU!
VC tried to make it work. I’m still not happy with the way he left, but when you’re that age and the front office screws you over….I don’t blame him. Just wish McGrady hadn’t left….Carter, McGrady and maybe a Bosh later down the line…..just imagine. The past is the past, but his impact can’t be debated. Guy single handedly propelled basketball into Canada…Toronto now is a hotbed of basketball talent, it’s all because of Vince.
the team wouldn’t have been in position to draft Bosh if McGrady stayed
@@cp81-jy2xl lol u talking like bosh did something serious 😂😂
@@safeman5383he’s in the HOF
@@interabie I'm talking in Toronto uninteligent dude
@ what?
All these Og raptors players are showing their face now after the 2019 raptors championship 🏆
Found myself choked up watching this, could relate to all the people in the video. He was a childhood hero and just quit on us, he's honestly such an enigma. I appreciate everything he's done for Toronto
Thanks for letting me take part. Can't wait for tomorrow night!
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We have to thank VC he changed basketball forever in Canada he’s the one who spurned excitement for basketball in Canada that created so many great Canadian players. Yes the beef was bad and it hurt but doesn’t change what he did for basketball in Canada.
Been a Raps fan since day one, and support VC's jersey retirement 100%. I held grudges against the man in the past, but let it go once I realized that Raps management were the ones truly at fault (letting McGrady go, hiring Babcock, etc...THAT is what set back the franchise for years). The entitled fans asking for an apology are still going to justify hating VC even if he does apologize...I hope he doesn't give in and won't apologize. Congrats to VC for making the HOF and having his jersey in the rafters... thanks for putting us on the map!
I still wear his jersey, my favorite player of all time. But I can not let the situation go completely. I have forgiven Carter, but it still hurts 20 years later. I refuse to blame him completely because I truly don't know the faults of the Raptors organization or what their impact was for Vince wanting to leave Toronto. It is said that the loss of your first love cuts the deepest, and I equate that to this situation. It's difficult to think back and think what could have happened if he had stayed.
@I-800-Unc-Drew Well, if there's anything that polarizes Raptors fans, it's how we feel about Vince 20 years after it all went down. Had Vince ended up winning NBA titles after being traded from Toronto, then I would probably feel hurt like you do, but seeing how his career played out (only had 3 or 4 prime seasons after Toronto, only played in one conference final where his team was eliminated, etc) it honestly doesn't hurt at all at this point, for me.
That's a bad question. He was a young man that was thrown into the limelight for a new team in a new country and the management was horrible. Why does he have to apologize. Management drop the ball imo. I was 15 when he left, grew up loving the raptors. I was upset about it but as I got older I understood.
Vinsanity Forever!
His impact can never be disputed.
I've been over it decades ago and TO fans should let it go too. Like ppl are saying, basketball is a business. Our front office was not nearly even close to the level of competence of the Masai era and even WITH our most loyal star player DeRoze who played his heart out and WANTED to stay look where loyalty got him. Basketball is a business and sometimes the relationship btw player and management falls apart and player got to do what they think is best for their career, but Vince always had love for the fans and it was never against us. VC sowed the seed of basketball aspirations for future generations. Understand that for a lot of 90s and 00s kids, they would of NEVER even picked up a basketball if it wasn't for seeing VC balling for the Raps on TV.
Vince Carter was the most exciting player that landed here 🔥🇺🇸🇨🇦😁🎯
Was REALLY hoping for the words Sorry to come out of his mouth in this video. He doesnt even need to apologize for everything, we know its not all his fault, but he still has no apologized for his part or at least explained it.
I've watched this about 4x in the past hour. It's a great video. It's emotional. A lot of people are torn. But I for one am extremely happy that wounds are being mended. That Vince is back where he belongs. I hope that there's a place for VC in the orginization. Can't wait for Saturday!
it takes a lot of courage to address this topic. he never bashed the fans and took the boos on the chin. he understood why fans felt betrayed and hated him but showed love. that's why he cried when the boos stopped and the cheers started 10 years after he left, emotional at the jersey retirement ceremony and every moment honouring him. you can tell he regrets it and has been making amends for a while unlike mcgrady who gets away with it because he became a star after he left. bosh and mcgrady are quitters but they don't get called out.
Vince is my childhood, the man who make me love basket ball..
I was born in Toronto, I saw him come there & change it forever, NBA is a business I'm not upset he left tdot, I did too lol
You can't celebrate 2019 without out the Carter trade. It's not a debate, in my opinion.
You can't celebrate "Derozan traded for Kawhi" because of short term success when the VC trade, while absolutely being brutal to the Raptors' in the short term, was the domino that eventually led to the long term success, even if it took 15 years. The Raptors drafted Bosh in an attempt to support VC; then the team was gutted after VC left that it led to a #1 pick (Bargnani). He eventually led to the NYK trade that led to key pieces for the 2019 team. They drafted Derozan to support Bosh. Then Bosh left and Derozan said "I got us" and every single Raptors fan who wanted to see a franchise player/Vince Carter live, breath, and wear Toronto on his back and in his heart, we saw Demar Derozan do it instead. Masai Ujiri took all those dominos that fell from the Carter trade and turned it into a championship, including trading Derozan (who, without question, will also have his jersey retired one day. It's not even a debate). If people still lament the trade, and wish for a different outcome, that means you're wishing for a different history and maybe 2019 never happens. There's no and/or/ifs about it.
And on a national scale, for so long, so many who claimed to be basketball fans never supported the national team when they were in the dumps. And now so many pro Canadian players have elevated the program, and almost all of this current golden generation would name Vince Carter as an idol or THEIR favourite player growing up. To argue against Carter being celebrate is to literally argue against the growth of the national program and ignore THE main factor as to why Canada basketball is where it is right now in 2024.
To go back to Derozan, I hate that Raptors fans are quick to discard him and turn their back on him like they did Carter, when was literally the #1 performing player stats-wise in franchise history. He became the player that Raps fans wanted out from Carter. The discourse on Derozan right now is sad to see for me, when he did exactly what we wanted from Carter, and we're crucifying him for not leading the Raptors to a title. It makes no sense to be on the side that doesn't celebrate Vince Carter, and also be on the side that doesn't want to celebrate Demar Derozan. There's a disconnect and contradiction in supporting those two side.
Kyle Lowry is the greatest leader in Raptors history; Demar Derozan is the best statistical player in Raptors history, Kawhi Leonard is the best talent in Raptors history... but Vince Carter is the most impactful player in franchise history. And his place in the rafters is deserved. As a Montrealer who grew up loving basketball for Vince Carter, I was proud to be there on Saturday, November 2nd for 15's raising to the rafters. And I will be there again when Derozan's number goes up eventually.
15 forever
10 forever
7 forever
VC, love or hate him his true value was his impact -not just for the Raptors and Canada, but basketball as a whole, he was the leading vote-getting for all-stars game for several years, by a wide margin, he was on the highlight reel every night seen around the world, he gave basketball a new meaning. I remember never missing single Raptors game on TV during the VC years because you knew he was going to do something spectacular every night, he put us on the edge of our seats. He was simply larger than life.
Thanksyou for your presence 😁🇨🇦⌛✔
Incredible video!…he made such an impact to the city of Toronto. He clearly inspired and somewhat disappointed Canadians fans. All together now again😊
Only reason Vince is here is because he didn't do all that much since leaving TO. If he went on to win a title in NJ, his career numbers kept improving etc etc...TO wouldn't be on the map. He had 3 good years in NJ and things went downhill after that....still had a great career, played 20+ years, but this was the peek. Still no reason to hold a grudge...I think we should all forgive and forget...I'm glad TO is retiring his number...but let's not paint the guy as some kind of saint. He did alot in his time here, left under questionable terms...he didn't show up that final year...he quit on his teammates and the fans...regardless of how bad management was that was mistake...I'm sure he felt inVinceable at the time...time proved his wrong. As fan I can't help but to dream what could have been had the raptors managed to keep VC and TMAC....oh well.
VC will ALWAYS be remembered as a Raptor. Even though Kawhi's team brought their first ring, Vince was the reason why the raptors is in the NBA Map.
I thought he was going to apologize in this video lmao. Disappointed, but who knows maybe tomorrow night he'll do that.
apologize on what though...the raptors org was incompetent and he should have stayed and rotten forever? it's also not like he is Canadian and leaving for more money..etc
The greatest What If story of all-time. VC was the Air Apparent that never was.... and it broke all of our hearts. He was and still is the closest thing we've ever had to a second coming, but we'll have to settle for this ending, however bittersweet.
Vince needs to own his side of the situation. He’s never admitted that his behaviour was immature, nor has he acknowledged that his departure set the team back by a decade. He owes that to the fans that were hurt when he left, regardless of the fact that the team’s management was dysfunctional back then.
he doesn’t owe anyone anything, the entitlement some of you fans have is wild, it’s sports my guy and it’s not that deep.
holding on to a grudge for so long is sad
@@cp81-jy2xl if you can’t understand the significance of this video and the complexity of this moment for the fanbase, just sit this one out. I lived the highs and lows of that era.
We don’t need a referee in the comments.
@ no one needs a referee in the comments section. The adults are talking, sit this one out
@@cp81-jy2xl Sometimes long-held grudges are justified. Vince's departure from Toronto is not one of those times
The organization needs to own their side of the situation as well, hiring Rob babcock, he's the reason all the issues started.
He was the in the league till 42 yall he’s no quitter 😂
15 VC FOREVER
Why should he apologize? We were fed lies by the management at the time.
As a magic fan for all of their 36 years, I feel that us putting Shaq up last year, led the way for this VC banner to be were it belongs. Not all retired jerseys have a happy story book run-through. But VC deserves to have his jersey up in Toronto and be the 1st to do it. They wouldve disbanded that team and moved them to Kentucky if it weren't for him and Tracy 98- 2000
On a side note, As a Magic fan we had just traded Penny in 99. I had a policy of never cheering for any other player That wasn't wearing magic pinstripes or stars. But I won a gatorade Vince Carter book cover at school With him and a actual raptor. Then came a game against the clips Where they were down most of the night, but everybody stayed to see that cock-back dunk He caught off the alley-oop. He ended up winning that game himself. Follow that with the dunk contest performance that I still remember seeing in my parents room and Nearly falling off the bed. A week later, they put the raptors against the suns on NBC and I think he scored 50 on penny And j kidd. I say all of that.Just to conclude that it was the only time in my life I ever cheered for any player who wasn't on my orlando magic. And as you can tell even in that short period those memories are still vivid. Imagine how much more a fan seeing him every night in toronto feels
Why can't the organization publicly apologize for hiring Rob babcock? All the issues started when the Raptors hired him as GM. If you are over 30 and still salty, get a life and let it go. Both sides were at fault it was never all on vince.
This is very well produced.
Well done Fab! Great production
At that time Vince was different and had a huge ego. He did not make it easy on the Raptors nor did his mom. For him to apologize is pointless because we all know what he did and why bother dig up the past. Love him or hate him... he is one of the founding players and the way he played was incredible.
What I don’t think some understand is the love people had for him is why it hurt so much . I’m very happy for Vince hope this brings him closure …but he is not a player that in my books is worthy of the honour he’s clearly seeking
Im glad he didnt apologize even though some fans feel he should have
I deadass dropped a tear watching this. damn.
Regardless of everything sour, he is most definitely one of our MVP’s
It wasn't his fault. He didn't ask to be traded. He was traded without g8m knowing the day he found out he got traded
Management quit on him!
It’s not even debatable. If it weren’t for Vince, basketball would have never stuck in Canada. I’m not a huge basketball fan or not even a Raptors fan………but as a Canadian, I’ll be watching the ceremony. He left a mark on the sports history of this nation.
Remember folks, we had Vince and T-Mac. Its tragic the city, vince and mac didn't get anything out of it.
well said Vince. Congrats
He made a lot of us want to fly and dance amongst the sea of stars. The fabric of Basketball culture in this country is on his shoulders. Regardless of how he left, you can't deny his impact.
Let it go. It was fun to be a Raptors fan but it's over. Time to get on with your life. We're not kids anymore.
He may not have "apologized" but in true Vince Carter fashion, I think he addressed it when he said in his retirement, (non-verbatim) that this is for us and that the we're all going up there. It was like he was saying let's uplift everything up there, the good and the bad - and move on. That's how he "apologized".
Vince owns the Raptor fans a huge apology
Raptors management quit on him.
Vince is the man!
He should never apologize for what happened in Toronto
Full man, basketball player amazing! Congrats Vince! You will always inspire the new generations.
Anyone who thinks 15 doesn’t belong above the court is selfish. I get it, I understand what it felt like. I HATED him after that. As I grew up, I saw with my own eyes what he did for basketball in this country. You cannot deny the impact Vince Carter had in Canada. 15 deserves to be there, end of story.
Vince, the man !!! ❤❤
As a Golden State Warriors fan since 1992. My Teenage self at the time, was pissed when the Warriors traded Vince Carter to the Raptors on draft night (1998) for Antawn Jamison. Jamison was considered a better College player at the time, but I still wanted the Warriors to draft Vince. Looking back in hindsight, if the Warriors had kept Vince Carter and he remained a Warrior for the rest of his career. Golden State wouldn't of been bad enough to draft Steph Curry at #7 in (2009) and the (Warriors Dynasty 2015, 2017, 2018, 2022) probably doesn't happen. Also to if Vince goes to Golden State, the Toronto Raptors would've possibly relocated to another city in America by 2005 with no VC on the Raptors. Look at the Vancouver Grizzlies , they had no Super Star player on the Roster and ended up moving to the States and becoming the Memphis Grizzlies in 2001.
Having Vince Carter on the Raptors literally kept the team in Toronto and stopped the team from leaving Canada.
You know why Vince can't apologize? Because he'd be forced to tell the WHOLE story and that would make him seem petty at this point. The media turned on him and management let him down. That is the real story. The guy went through 4 coaches and a management team that was focused on hockey. Despite that he was recruiting and trying to get guys here but management failed him. They focused the budget on the leafs not the Raptors. Also, Sam Mitchell had a contentious coaching style and was confrontational with Vince instead of supporting his young star. Vince could say all that but the classy thing to do is let it slide. Thats why he's so emotional. He LOVED Toronto. He opened up clubs, he held events, he did so much to bring people to the city. Caribana blew up even bigger in the early 2000's because of VC's presence. Hip hop in Canada got a nod of respect because of Vince. Lets keep be real...black Americans determine what is 'cool' in the world and VC gave the stamp of approval to Toronto. Period. I remember seeing Shaq, Chauncey Billups Ray Allen and other hoopers just coming up to the city just to hang out after VC put the city on the map. That NEver happened before Vince. The Raptors were headed nowhere before this dude. So when we tell the young guys that we could easily be the "Charlotte Raptors" we are NOT kidding. It was that close (like the Grizzlies) and then this brother came and elevated the game in Canada. He owes no apology to be honest. We should all just appreciate the dude for what he did. He's the first hall of fame retired with our city's jersey....lets just respect the brother and appreciate the moment.
Legend!
When you take emotion out of the equation. VC 1000% deserves to retire as a Raptor. Vince & Toronto/Raptors are forever inextricably linked!
Video ends--no apology. LOL!
He's saving it for tomorrow
@@easyE0287 I hope so. I've been waiting for 20 years to hear it. I felt everything all those fans said - the good and the bad. The DeRozan/Lowry era of some decent success was partial healing. The moment that WE forgave him in 2014 was partial healing (made possible by us finally having a bit of success). The championship was partial healing.
But my heart's still not whole. 💔
But still Raptors management was crap. Its not all on Vince
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556it’s a no win situation. If he apologizes, then it’s admitting he make a mistake. The only mistake was by the front office not wanting to build a contender around Carter anymore.
@@moonjpwe will never know what truly happened, and what the circumstances were, but the easy thing is to say you could have handled it differently, that you were young, that you were immature, that you didn’t realize what you meant to Toronto and Canada, that we, including Vince, didn’t get to realize all of the greatness come to fruition, and that you’re sorry it ended the way it did.
If vince and mcgrady stayed they would be a toronto legend
I was sad when he left but I never blamed him. We didn’t do enough around him.
VC is the only reason Toronto still has a team. Just look at Vancouver.
Not true whatsoever. They had ballers too. It’s the market. TORONTO had a bigger market
Grizzlies fan - and I agree with you. Vince MADE basketball in Toronto. Period. Forget the market size, etc. The excitement Vince brought, and he also had love for the city.
Raptors were very profitable pre carter days.......their attendance records were in the middle despite a crap records first 3 years.
@@LL-si9cl So were the Grizzlies before the excitement of having a team wore off.
Personally, I would have preferred retiring Lowry and DeRozan first for leading the first successful era of Raptors basketball. However, the fact basketball is a thing in Canada is almost entirely because of Carter.
Vancouver was absolutely screwed out of their team. Watch the Grizzly Truth docu
Why should Vince apologize???
The sad thing is that I'm certain that you heard former Raptors coach Sam Mitchell talk about the fact that Vince told management that he didn't want to be traded, yet Grundwald traded him for a bag of nothing, and if you are willing to do a little bit of research you would find out that the organization is the one who should apologize to Vince, for promising him that he would have a say in the selection of the new coach, yet when he brought Dr J in for an interview the team refused to interview him.
Who wouldn't be upset about that, you can't expect for someone to lie to you and then for you to pretend like nothing is wrong. It's about time that you fools who want to hold animosity towards Vince wake the hell up and realize that he was the victim and not the villain that you keep pushing for him to be. STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!!
Imagine if Masai was in charge during the Carter years?
With T-mac, VC and Massai this team would have been Amazing
i was a raptors fans because i fell in love with the sport of basketball becasue i of vince. I became a raptor ride or die, then first tmac then vince both leaving, really left a bad taste in my mouth, i am still better i stuck with the raps ever since, and when we won a chip with kwahi, i was finally healing, fuckin hell then kwahi does a vince. I cant take it anymore.
Difference is, Vince didn't leave as a free agent like Kawhi did...when Vince made up his mind and was willing to stay, Rob Babcock already pulled the trigger on the trade.
It's easy to look back now...but in those days NBA basketball in Toronto wasn't the same as in the U.S. It's hard for players back then (especially U.S.-born players who played in Canada) to see the impact they had. It was evident when Vince was there, when TMac was there, and when Chris Bosh was there.
I actually think the turning point was the rise of Drake's superstardom, which put a bigger light on Toronto, making it "cooler" to be in that city. Drake's rise also came at the same time DeRozen showed up, which is why DeRozen (and every star who came afterward -- except Kawhi) loved the city.
So yes, looking back now it's easy for folks to say "why did Vince leave TO high and dry"? But to most U.S.-born players, Toronto just wasn't as high on the priority list until Drake's rise came.
While I understand the negative emotion people feel toward Vince regarding how his time in Toronto ended I think we have to remember, and it took me some time to really come to terms with it, but the front office treated him like shit during that time as well. We had a new Canadian team who was going through its paces and started to screw up their relationship with their first real superstar (kinda felt like they acting like a jealous partner) and then on the other side we had a young superstar who was just responding to that treatment and lets be honest how many of us as young 20 something year olds can say we would have been able to keep a better composure and not do what Vince did.
Point is, its been decades since this happened, we may not have a video taped apology from Vince, and hey I'm sure we wont get an apology from those in the front office back then either, but its pretty damn clear from how he has interacted with fans and new Raptors players over the last decade or so that he wanted to regain our trust and reconnect, so we should take the olive branch that he extended to us and accept back as one of the most influential and greatest players to lace it up for our home town team.
He never quit on the Toronto Raptors.
If there is a FIRST raptor, heck, if there is only ONE slot for Raptors arena to have a banner, only one name comes up to mind
You deserve it, VC
Congrats, Vinsanity!
Let's go home!!!!
No one leaves a job and needs to apologize. We think we own athletes. We forget it’s JOB. It’s a sport grown men get paid to do and we should grow up and go do our jobs.
Vincent Lamar Carter aka Vince Carter aka VC aka Vinsanity aka Half Man Half Amazing aka Air Carter Center .......... LETSSS GOOOOOO!!!!
I remember that time ... Me and my brother would record every raptors game ... I remember Lakers offering kobe for vince ... we were like no way! It hurt you left but for us I never could hate you ...
Tracy Mcgrady shoould apologize for leaving us. Not Vince Carter. Raptors management was crap
Always two sides of the story. He did act immature on his way out of town but hey it was 20 years ago. His wanting to join the hof as a Raptor speaks a lot of how he really felt about Toronto
This is why i will ALWAYS side with players to choose their own faith. The franchise ALWAYS put their interests first and make the players the enemy. That's exactly what happened to Vincent Carter. He owes NO ONE an apology. The raptors franchise owes Vincent EVERYTHING. He's the reason anyone around the world took Raptors serious or Canada as a basketball country. How ironic that their has never been another super star player to stay since Vincent Carter. Vince Carter is the G.R.O.A.T.
GREATEST RAPTOR OF ALL TIME.
I still love you❤
1+5 = The6
So did he apologise?
This whole last month has brought back many painful memories and feelings. I managed to finally stop hating him - and still I don't hate him - but I am conflicted about the jersey retirement after coming to peace with it. I thought he was going to apologize in this video. Instead, just more VC dick-riding. He turned this franchise into a laughingstock for almost 10 years. Will he apologize at this jersey retirement tonight? If it didn't come years ago, tonight would be the night to do it. Just fn apologize ffs. Don't be too proud to apologize. I cannot take anymore of this dick-riding during the game broadcasts and on social media. It's embarrassing to watch and listen to. We sound like simps. I cannot fully let this go until he apologizes. Unequivocally.
I’m the same… and you can’t say anything about it without some dishonest straw man argument that we’re so sad because we hate him still and need to “grow up and let it go”… I don’t hate him but I don’t think someone that played 5 years here and didn’t win should have his number retired… and he did NOT make basketball what it is is Canada. Correlation is not causation… basketball and soccer are both popular now because of changing demographics and significantly increased exposure on traditional broadcasters and social media.
Strangely enough I believe one true honest raw way of seeing how much a person was/is loved is by witnessing the emotion of hate that is brought out of oneself once that person is gone …..if Raptor fans didn’t love VC so much they wouldn’t have booed him so much when he came back home in another jersey …..it’s a beautiful thing to see and I don’t think there has been any other sports athlete who played for a Toronto sports organization who was/is more truly loved than Vince Carter …it’s an emotional roller coaster and that can only happen through REAL love
That man deserves a Statue!
He still didn’t apologize. All he had to was apologize for how he left.
Raptors, where is your spine?
I still didn’t hear an apology in there. I am just like all of them tho lifelong basketball fanatic and all thanks to him and Allen iverson.
wanting to leave was not the issue - HOW he left was the issue. He quit on the team in those last games, he stopped trying. And demanding a trade midseason got us nothing in return... and I still didn't hear an apology!
Yep… this was fluffy meaningless PR meant to pull on heart strings. He had a great career but he didn’t play here that long, didn’t win, and didn’t want to play in that last season… I don’t hate the guy but he doesn’t deserve a jersey retirement. And I say this as someone who’s extremely unkind to Babcock and the organization at that time. People fall back on this unprovable “well he made basketball what it is in Canada” and “he put us on the map”… no he didn’t. Soccer is also way bigger now. Basketball is big in Canada now for the same reasons soccer is, because of changing demographics and more exposure on tv and social media.
This Is My Guy. We Need To Make Him A Canadian Citizen. ❤
He doesn't owe anyone an apology, especially you.
Why is Torino defender Ricardo Rodriguez being interviewed by TSN?
They easily could have held todays jersey retirement and game in the SkyDome and it would have been sold out! Congratulations VC!
No player should wear number 15 for the Toronto Raptors other than Vince Carter.
He is a professional basketball player who was paid well to do his job. By quitting on the team, he lowered his trade value and Toronto got little in return. There's no emotion in those facts. He hurt the franchise when he wanted to leave and that is the reason he should not be immortalized in Toronto by retiring his jersey.
thank you.. all the other people brown nosing are post championship fans or just don't remember. Forgive, don't forget. K-Low should be honored with the first jersey retirement.. other teams ever retire a jersey based on fandom?
You and the other hating idiots are suffering so much from tunnel vision that it's pathetic. The fact that you would defend MLSE shows you're more of a shill than Carter can ever be. The only ones who has their head up MLSE's butts are you and the haters because you believe a corporate narrative spin rather than understanding that there are two sides to the fallout. Get over yourself. You sound like a jilted EX that is still thinking about a break up OVER 20 Years AGO LOL
As a Raptors organization then.they failed hard to hold on to our future star.. putting the pieces around him and making him feel welcome in a country where basketball is not it. Using him a a catlyst to propell basketball in Canada...for everyone to look for an apology from this man, get over it... why dont the critics go after the organization for messing a monumental person go?
Quit the sass and appreciate what he did for Toronto. Petty and legacy don’t belong in one sentence, and it’s big time to choose one. Nothing but love for this man from this city ✈️
Two biggest takeaways here:
1. I appreciate that TSN aren't the VC propagandist's that Sportsnet are
2. Vince watches people calling for an apology and still doesn't offer one
@@petenojd you'll never have one go cry and go to bed lol asked management for one
stop gaslighting. no VC, rapter would not be that strong today. the jersey is retired, and vince gave one of the most passionated speech. as a raptor fans i cant be happier to witness this happened