Really shows how much red dots have improved considering cheap ones are performing as good or better compared to red dots 10 years ago that cost 50% more in a better economy.
@@R00KIE_GUY agreed! Im blown away by how good a lot of “Amazon specials” are. They used to be junk, but they are a solid choice for most buyers now, that arent planning on abusing them.
Too bad you couldn't do the same test on a Trijicon RMR to see how it holds up. The best test of all is give the red dot to a child, the most destructive force on earth, to play with for 15 minutes.
@@markzuckerberg3128 funny enough, I did let my 2 year old play with one of the Nitewing red dots. He never broke it, but he is also more gentle than most 2 year olds 😂 I would like to test an RMR and some enclosed options, but I doubt those companies would send one to be destroyed. Especially by my tiny youtube channel
4:36 Im not convinced that dropping the bare optic, which probably weighs less than 2 ounces, is really representative of what dropping a gun with the optic mounted would do to the optic.
@@roflchopter11 That was just a first test. The first brick was dropped from about a foot. It weighed about as much as a fully loaded steel framed pistol. That was a much more realistic test for a pistol being dropped on the optic.
Exactly. Not a shoulder height drop on a handgun. Holosuns survive those perfectly fine. I’m not nearly convinced by the optic themselves nor the brick that these could survive without zero shift on a handgun. Not a misleading review, just not informative.
I am convinced Cyelee is already the next holosun. Im grabbing what i can now cause they will be $400 optics soon enough. I tested their Cat optic for a micro carry and i still cant believe the little optic trucks on and keeps zero. I have seen primary arms micro dots keep up as well.
You are correct, currently own their Bull and T10, both x pro models. They hold up great, and their clarity is un matched, the only brand I can use without needing to put my contacts in. i have astigmatism, all other dots bloom when using my glasses.
@CallMeSquale I also have astigmatism. How bad is your astigmatism? I have not found a red dot for my eyes yet and have heard the cylee works good. Which model are you using?
@@tonyvang7717 wicked bad, every other dot when wearing my glasses looks like a star, my contacts reign it in, and it kinda looks like an orange or a lemon, so to speak. round, but the edges are not perfectly crisp. i have both the cyelee T10 x Pro, and Bull x Pro. these look perfectly round and crisp, with both glasses and contacts. i only got the pro models so I could have the multiretical option. you can save a few bucks if you don't mind having just a dot. Do you have glasses or contacts?
This might not be a thing for you but...."budget light mount" or something too? Streamlight might be a good one. Also OP you're the only YTuber that I know of who does "these drop test" on these budget red dots.
@@SCH292 Thats why I started this channel. I wanted to test out budget gear, to hopefully find some good options for those on a budget. There are too many “paid advertisement/unboxing” reviews on stuff like this, so I figured Id really test the gear. My hope is to save people money, while keeping them from buying junk 👍
@@poortac5568 I feel like these "budget" or "cheap" red dots/optic are like...Idk how to say it..."play mind games with you". If you "don't think" you will end up spending TOO MUCH buying these or by the time you SPENT THAT MUCH you could of gotten something like Eotech or the bigger brands. It's like.. You buy the first $200 one. It busted or shit happened right after "that 1 year warranty expires" or you try sending it back in while under warranty they might give you a hard time or whatever. -$200. You go buy the second one next month or whatever time that has passed down the line. Okay this one works. -$200. You like it so much you decide to buy another one next month or whatever time that has passed down the line -$200. You went -$600 for these when you could of bought some $500 to $600 Eotech pistol dot or something.
@@SCH292 I agree on just saving up for a high quality optic. In general, if it’s going on something I use a lot or am going to use for a serious role, I buy a trustworthy optic. For fun/range guns Im fine buying the cheaper options, because I doubt ill use them enough for it to matter. That is one reason why I try to stick to larger “budget” brands, so I know they will still be around for their warranties in a couple years.
More interested in how these would hold up to recoil over time. I wanted to put one on my 10mm but don’t want it to stop working after a few hundred rounds.
@@rouchenelvann Im pretty rough on them in my reviews. However, Id get a holosun from PSA, if you want cheap and reliable. Their non solar powered model is less than $200 last I looked.
my burris fastfire 2 broke its glass after the ruger 10/22 that it's fitted on, just fell over from an upright position onto a tile floor. pretty crappy
@@Sakkyun I believe all of these optics held zero under my realistic testing, but you would have to watch their specific video. This was just to see how durable the body, glass, and electronics were.
Informative, Ill be sure not to keep any of my optics around flying sledgehammers. I think for an extreme test like this its not really any surprise that optics didn't survive, but obviously they're not duty grade😂.
@@regularchonk The point of this series was mainly for my own fun 😂 but I think its important to show people how fragile these pistol optics are, since its popular to mount them on rifles. Full size rifle optics are much more durable, even cheap ones.
Not sure what everyone considers budget, but I bought a Tacticon Predator V4 based on some good reviews, and the RMR footprint is also a plus, and I was able to get it with a small 15% discount which is also very nice, and it has held up really well. The difference in quality between this and older Tacticon red dots is night and day. They really upped the quality with the newer model
@@DesertTactical thats my conclusion as well. I would like to test some more expensive options like an RMR, Holosun EPS, and other enclosed designs, but Im too poor to spend $2000 on stuff Im going to break 😂
Do this to a "Duty Grade" optic like an RMR and it will break too. If you actually look for destructive testing on RMRs it's speciously absent. The only tests on them are weak-sauce stuff like dropping in dirt, dunking in water, and tapping on wood or cars, things that most other optics would survive too. Durability has less to do with where the optic was made, and more to do with the overall design. Physics> Marketing.
@@drexx4164 while I agree in general on brand name not being everything, the RMR has a good chance of surviving because the lens material and U shaped frame, which would direct the force away from the lens.
@@poortac5568 It is a good design, and for that reason it would probably not break with the lower rock drops, but a 5ft drop with a heavy rock onto an aluminum housing, I'm extremely skeptical any standard open emitter dot survives that. My problem is that people just assume that Trijicon, Aimpoint, ect are by default better when there isn't actually public 3rd party destructive testing available to show it. They my be, but without evidence to support it's just marketing. This isn't really directed at you I realize your tests are self funded, and appreciate the effort. It's more an annoyance at "Gun Culture" in general when people throw around phrases like "Duty Grade" and "Serious Use" when those are marketing slogans, and not set parameters with evidence based testing backing them up.
@@MrZachzippo rifle or pistol? Ive dropped my glock (whether real or sims gun) on concrete and in the dirt more times than I can count. You arent going to break a quality handgun by dropping it. Also, I did drop my AR with these optics and LPVOs. The handguard (and older design) started coming loose, but the rifle still works just fine. 👍
Its amazing how far optics tech has come ..been shooting maybe 30 years and now what a 100-200$ optic can do is pretty impressive ..
@@sleigh4019 agreed 👍
Really shows how much red dots have improved considering cheap ones are performing as good or better compared to red dots 10 years ago that cost 50% more in a better economy.
@@R00KIE_GUY agreed! Im blown away by how good a lot of “Amazon specials” are. They used to be junk, but they are a solid choice for most buyers now, that arent planning on abusing them.
Too bad you couldn't do the same test on a Trijicon RMR to see how it holds up. The best test of all is give the red dot to a child, the most destructive force on earth, to play with for 15 minutes.
@@markzuckerberg3128 funny enough, I did let my 2 year old play with one of the Nitewing red dots. He never broke it, but he is also more gentle than most 2 year olds 😂 I would like to test an RMR and some enclosed options, but I doubt those companies would send one to be destroyed. Especially by my tiny youtube channel
4:36 Im not convinced that dropping the bare optic, which probably weighs less than 2 ounces, is really representative of what dropping a gun with the optic mounted would do to the optic.
@@roflchopter11 That was just a first test. The first brick was dropped from about a foot. It weighed about as much as a fully loaded steel framed pistol. That was a much more realistic test for a pistol being dropped on the optic.
Exactly. Not a shoulder height drop on a handgun. Holosuns survive those perfectly fine. I’m not nearly convinced by the optic themselves nor the brick that these could survive without zero shift on a handgun. Not a misleading review, just not informative.
@@conorb350 I wasn’t testing zero shift (I did that in the dedicated reviews of each of these optics), just lens/body/electronics durability 👍
I concur
As far as I know, cyelee and cvlife came from the same factory
I am convinced Cyelee is already the next holosun. Im grabbing what i can now cause they will be $400 optics soon enough. I tested their Cat optic for a micro carry and i still cant believe the little optic trucks on and keeps zero. I have seen primary arms micro dots keep up as well.
You are correct, currently own their Bull and T10, both x pro models. They hold up great, and their clarity is un matched, the only brand I can use without needing to put my contacts in. i have astigmatism, all other dots bloom when using my glasses.
@CallMeSquale I also have astigmatism. How bad is your astigmatism? I have not found a red dot for my eyes yet and have heard the cylee works good. Which model are you using?
@@tonyvang7717 wicked bad, every other dot when wearing my glasses looks like a star, my contacts reign it in, and it kinda looks like an orange or a lemon, so to speak. round, but the edges are not perfectly crisp. i have both the cyelee T10 x Pro, and Bull x Pro. these look perfectly round and crisp, with both glasses and contacts. i only got the pro models so I could have the multiretical option. you can save a few bucks if you don't mind having just a dot.
Do you have glasses or contacts?
This might not be a thing for you but...."budget light mount" or something too? Streamlight might be a good one.
Also OP you're the only YTuber that I know of who does "these drop test" on these budget red dots.
@@SCH292 Thats why I started this channel. I wanted to test out budget gear, to hopefully find some good options for those on a budget. There are too many “paid advertisement/unboxing” reviews on stuff like this, so I figured Id really test the gear. My hope is to save people money, while keeping them from buying junk 👍
@@poortac5568 I feel like these "budget" or "cheap" red dots/optic are like...Idk how to say it..."play mind games with you". If you "don't think" you will end up spending TOO MUCH buying these or by the time you SPENT THAT MUCH you could of gotten something like Eotech or the bigger brands.
It's like.. You buy the first $200 one. It busted or shit happened right after "that 1 year warranty expires" or you try sending it back in while under warranty they might give you a hard time or whatever. -$200. You go buy the second one next month or whatever time that has passed down the line. Okay this one works. -$200. You like it so much you decide to buy another one next month or whatever time that has passed down the line -$200. You went -$600 for these when you could of bought some $500 to $600 Eotech pistol dot or something.
@@SCH292 I agree on just saving up for a high quality optic. In general, if it’s going on something I use a lot or am going to use for a serious role, I buy a trustworthy optic. For fun/range guns Im fine buying the cheaper options, because I doubt ill use them enough for it to matter. That is one reason why I try to stick to larger “budget” brands, so I know they will still be around for their warranties in a couple years.
More interested in how these would hold up to recoil over time. I wanted to put one on my 10mm but don’t want it to stop working after a few hundred rounds.
@@rouchenelvann Im pretty rough on them in my reviews. However, Id get a holosun from PSA, if you want cheap and reliable. Their non solar powered model is less than $200 last I looked.
my burris fastfire 2 broke its glass after the ruger 10/22 that it's fitted on, just fell over from an upright position onto a tile floor. pretty crappy
@@danbez7066 yeah, a lot of these cheaper companies optics are fragile along with the basic design of a pistol red dot. double issue
Did they hold zero after the tests?
@@Sakkyun I believe all of these optics held zero under my realistic testing, but you would have to watch their specific video. This was just to see how durable the body, glass, and electronics were.
Informative, Ill be sure not to keep any of my optics around flying sledgehammers. I think for an extreme test like this its not really any surprise that optics didn't survive, but obviously they're not duty grade😂.
@@regularchonk The point of this series was mainly for my own fun 😂 but I think its important to show people how fragile these pistol optics are, since its popular to mount them on rifles. Full size rifle optics are much more durable, even cheap ones.
Speak the truth
Dropping the optics while not mounted on an actual gun isn't much of a test in my opinion
@@ecobasetech4558 the brick weighed the same as a fully loaded steel framed gun. so it was the same weight
Do you have a favorite budget pistol dot?
Not sure what everyone considers budget, but I bought a Tacticon Predator V4 based on some good reviews, and the RMR footprint is also a plus, and I was able to get it with a small 15% discount which is also very nice, and it has held up really well. The difference in quality between this and older Tacticon red dots is night and day. They really upped the quality with the newer model
Range toys, training and plinking? Why not? Serious use? Prob not.
@@DesertTactical thats my conclusion as well. I would like to test some more expensive options like an RMR, Holosun EPS, and other enclosed designs, but Im too poor to spend $2000 on stuff Im going to break 😂
@@poortac5568 indeed. Haha
Do this to a "Duty Grade" optic like an RMR and it will break too. If you actually look for destructive testing on RMRs it's speciously absent. The only tests on them are weak-sauce stuff like dropping in dirt, dunking in water, and tapping on wood or cars, things that most other optics would survive too.
Durability has less to do with where the optic was made, and more to do with the overall design. Physics> Marketing.
@@drexx4164 while I agree in general on brand name not being everything, the RMR has a good chance of surviving because the lens material and U shaped frame, which would direct the force away from the lens.
@@poortac5568 It is a good design, and for that reason it would probably not break with the lower rock drops, but a 5ft drop with a heavy rock onto an aluminum housing, I'm extremely skeptical any standard open emitter dot survives that. My problem is that people just assume that Trijicon, Aimpoint, ect are by default better when there isn't actually public 3rd party destructive testing available to show it. They my be, but without evidence to support it's just marketing.
This isn't really directed at you I realize your tests are self funded, and appreciate the effort. It's more an annoyance at "Gun Culture" in general when people throw around phrases like "Duty Grade" and "Serious Use" when those are marketing slogans, and not set parameters with evidence based testing backing them up.
Where is the video of your firearm going through the same test. If your gun doesn''t work I would be less concerned about the red dot.
@@MrZachzippo rifle or pistol? Ive dropped my glock (whether real or sims gun) on concrete and in the dirt more times than I can count. You arent going to break a quality handgun by dropping it. Also, I did drop my AR with these optics and LPVOs. The handguard (and older design) started coming loose, but the rifle still works just fine. 👍
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