The Quest for my holy grail of Metallic Paint
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- I stopped using metallic paint, not happy with how they turned out. But now I figured it was time for one thorough experiment, to see if I could go back and once more call metallic paint my friend.
In this video I test a few different type of metallic paint but also try and use them in more creative ways than I have in the past. For those of you that are new to this channel.. welcome! And please, if you are after straight forward A - Z tutorial of how to paint stuff... well.. I'm all over the place. That said, there is one or two painting tips in here, if you have the patients.
A very special thank you to Alpha Spel - My local friendly game store - And to Nicklas for coming to my aid. Don't forget to support your LFGS
Metallic paints tried in this video:
Scalecolor - Metallics & Alchemy
Formula P3 Metallics
Vallejo Acrylic Metal Color Airbrush Colors
Vallejo Liquid Silver
Vallejo Metal Medium
Green Stuff World Pure Metal Pigments
Green Stuff World Chrome Metal
InStar Spectrum Gold Shift
PS. Don't throw your paint in the bin. I just did that for theatrical purposes.
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That was a great video, and a stunning end result!
Thanks! That means a lot coming from you :) Cheers!
Here he is... creeping into the smaller channels. I see you Jazza and your Tabletop channel... I see you ... (because I also watch you, but ya know)
PS - Give 52k a shoutout because he awesome and deserves it
awesome :)
@@52Miniatures hi , when i want a miniature metal ( how the metal color looks from distance ) i use a metalic effect from weatering effect tamiya , if you can get one from amazon you can try it. Its an effect so it is not a "paint" and its dificult to apply without stain the nearby areas.
@@aldoandresmendozaguerra8651 I'll look into that Aldo, thanks!
The cleanest voice over on the scene, I would listen to a narration of my microwave instructions
As long as I can microwave some metal...
This and Baldermort, the best voices in mini war gaming.
Literally any Brit
The algorithm has blessed me with this channel, love the cinematography and the lack of music, love your take on the videos in general, and i look forward to more content.
I've always struggled with metallics and this has given me some ideas to try and improve that.
Awesome, thank you!
normally i don't respond to youtube video's but i just got to let you know i absolutely love your style of storytelling on the same subject mathers like metallic paints its a refreshing take on the hobby video's out there
Thanks Jarl, I appreciate that. It's always nice to hear these things, keeps me going.
That mini is absolutely stunning. The paint job is as variety, intricate, and detailed as the sculpt itself. An absolute feast for the eyes.
Wow thanks! Glad to hear it Astro
Start of video-"I cant stand metallics!"
End of video-"I need to create a paint scheme using nothing but metallics!"
Fantastic content. Only a few days ago I found your channel and its already become one of my favorites... Keep up the good work!
Thanks Joe and Welcome to the channel. Yeah, that was a bit of a surprize... I have something in mind.. just have to finish the stormcast army first 😂
Character Development.
For me, you are the Sir David Attenborough of painting videos, subscribed. I would say it is the pacing of how you speak and the details, as well as your actions in the video. Your videos often have a documentary quality to them, in additional to a tutorial quality which makes them stand out.
Thanks for that H, I appreciate it. I'll have to do more painting outdoors, with at bit of wind sweeping through my hair. Preferably with a walrus or two around :) But seriously, I very much appreciate you comment.
The Bob Ross of miniature painting. Yes you are!
Well thank you!
"you need alcohol do dilute... not the kids, the paint" lol
😂 step away from the child!
This is like listening to an audio book, very cool.
I have to say, your narration gets me everytime man. This content is amazing! Do keep it up.
Thanks A!
I have to admit, when you were doing your zenithal highlights with a rattle can I was getting anxious that you’d get paint on the sleeves of that sweater!
I'm currently on a binge watch of your channel while assembling my Magnus the Red, but I would just like to say that "dilute the paint, not the kids" is an awesome line.
I try and keep telling myself that over and over again... my son is still intact :) Thanks FDU, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos.
Nice ! Coffee,cigarette & great hobby discussions. I have settled on using Vallejo liquid gold range of metallic paint. Thanks for sharing this information
My pleasure Adam, glad you enjoyed the vid :)
Excellent video with humorist well-paced copy-writing! 👌
Thanks as always Bart, good to hear :)
I love the hybrid metal technique, where you do your typical NMM process, but in the final highlight use the metallic paint it really sells the illusion that the whole thing is metallic without having that metallic layer all over.
Yeah Jason, I hope I can practice that a bit more in the future :)
Mate, you just made my top 3 channel! All the way up there with Marco Frisoni and Zatcaskagoon. Keep up the amazing content!
Thanks T, how very nice to hear. I appreciate it :)
Great video - so much to unpack here!
- that store looks fantastic
- beautiful job on that model
- one thing you can do since you have an airbrush is matte varnish some areas and not others, if it helps retain some shine. Metallics are very durable
- NMM is beautiful - but difficult, impractical for army painting (imo), and since the reflections are “fixed” it can look a little false in person or when rotated (I prefer metallics!)
- wet palette can speed up separation of metallics I find
- P3 have big, glittery flakes imo - I like their regular paints but not the metallics
- Scale are almost too fine at times for my liking - almost lacking in reflective ness
- silvers tend to cover better than golds in general
- I have to try those GSW pigments
- haven’t seen wet blending of metallics before - I find they are really good subjects for washes, glazes, inks, even dry brushing
- I think for the alcohol Vallejos you’d be better off having a plastic palette well with paint in one part and alcohol in the other. Smoother result if you can keep slightly thinning it as you apply it
Thank you :) The store is fantastic, it's a blessing to have it so close. And thanks for all the tips. To be honest wetblending metallics is a bit like trying to wetblend different jams on a sandwich... but adding the regular paints to a metallic made it workable. I'm just so used to wetblending as the foundation of my "light" - translating the zenithal prime. I just had to make it work... That is a good tip about the alcohol vs paint. I had some alcohol in a separate container, but only to wet my brush every now and again. The GSW pigments kind of surprized me to be honest. Seem difficult to blend with other paints, but as the one covering layer, I can see only positive outcome.
@@52Miniatures I went to order the gold pigment from GSW and it’s sold out. Must be gaining popularity!
Brilliant video, 52... it was really interesting to see the number of paints used and their different properties and results. I really like how in-depth this went. It's made me consider a few approaches to my own use of metallics. Thanks Alex! :-)
Glad to hear it HB! There was a lot of testing! Some didn't make it to the video.. One thing... that was just one to many... was using inks or contrast paints on different metallic paints. Like highlighting a gold with silver, then slapping on a blue transparent, getting green shadows and blue highlights... If dialled in right that kind of stuff could be a lot of fun.
@@52Miniatures I've considered doing this type of thing for some Alpha Legion miniatures that I'd like to paint eventually :-)
Great timing, I just agonized for days about what combination of metallic paints I wanted to use for my Custodes. Keep it up!
High fives for prefect timing :)
Misinformation being a thing of our time, but something I choose to stay away from.
Absolutely brilliant, made me
Smile 😊
One can always try at least :) thanks!
Purple and Copper... Fantastic! I'm trying that for sure!
Thanks Miguel! Go for it :)
Incredible work! Really love how you break down your thought process for us to follow along!
Thanks Richard, it evolved into quite a long video... I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the journey.
Wow, what a fantastic video, the writing, editing and camera work is so on point.
Thank you Nana!
I find that drybrushing corax white highlights over the basecoat and then putting Metallics over that really helps them pop and gives a more metallic feel instead of just glittery.
Smart Chris! Thanks!
@@52Miniatures Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Gonna try this Method later this year! Super cool approach. Thanks for the 10 Minutes! 😀
Nice to hear David! Please use the ten minutes irresponsibly.
It was a lovely surprise to see such an amazing video (and paint job) and find my former friendly local game store Alphaspel from when I used to live in Stockholm.
Tack för hjälpen och videon.
Snygg måleriarbete ♥️
Tack Luca! I appreciate it, and yes, Alpha Spel sure is a lovely place :)
I always end up dulling down my metallics either with a total matte varnish, or with enough matte washes and stuff that the shine is dead. My final step is re-highlighting only the very brightest points with unadulterated shiny metallics.
I hate to give credit when it's due, but this was a very entertaining and helpful video, so well done. Bonus points for the cat escaping through the fence as you started to airbrush.
Thanks :) That cat is not friends with the airbrush
That was excellent to watch. Currently struggling with metallic paints at the moment and you made me feel happier for it.
Glad I could help!
You're not only a painter, you are a poet. Watching your videos is therapeutic.
Thank you R 🙏
Just at the start of the video watching you drop those classic citadel bottles in the bin like nooooooo. I used to love that metallic green
All for dramatic effect my friend. They are safe back in a cupboard:)
best channel i have discovered this year
Well thanks A!
Superb end result, and such creative thinking, great video
Thank you K! I appreciate it
Just found your channel and I am absolutely delighted. Thanks so much for the very obvious effort that goes into making these videos. Your perspective is very refreshing. I agree that there might be a bit much speed painting ( I watched your video about "fretting over time spent on the hobby while you're doing the hobby. Excellent!). I hope to see many many more videos from you.
Thanks Jesse, and thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.
Man, that thing is beautiful. Excellent job.
Thanks a lot Bart!
Seriously, I almost can't stand how great your videos are. Thank you so much.
Again.
Well thanks P, I appreciate you letting me know :)
I don't think I need to paint anything in shiny chrome, but that chrome paint looks spot on.
It really is more of an "effect" rather than a paint. But it is kind of fun. If one ever wants to paint a mirror, or sort of reflective things under a watery surface... I recon it would be pretty good for that too.
I appreciate your low key delivery of jokes haha. Great content! Thanks for the tips
Thanks Jason!
Ah I just really enjoy the calm, clear and personable way you communicate in your videos mate. Great job!
Thanks Jarl, I appreciate it :)
That last model turned out so beautiful
Thanks! I'm glad you like it.
Wow.. amazing delivery and amazing result. Thank you for taking the time to put these videos together. Pleasure to watch.
My pleasure P, thank you.
As an American... I'm jealous of your ability to be able to go into an actual store with actual people in them😐
Yeah...! This vid is a bit of half truth when it comes to that. We are allowed certainty. But I filmed this before opening hours, because I don’t want to take the unnecessary risk.
I rarely watch painting videos, but you made this really accessible. Thank you!
Also, it's really cool to see someone from Stockholm! I've visited family there often.
Nice to hear Einar, I really appreciate it.
Bravo, Sir. Wonderfully informative.
Thank you Jack 🙏I’m glad to hear it.
The views into your thought process are pure gold.
Thanks Rob!
Great video. I have the alchemy paints and never thought of using them this way. I'll give it a go for sure!
Awesome! Go for it :)
Wow, love the effects you've got going on here. The choices you made for the metallic skin were inspired!
Thanks C, glad you liked it. I like just playing a bit deaf to all the tips out there and spend time experimenting instead. Sometimes a bit of a waste of time, sometimes quite refreshing.
Wow. Im an amateur mini painter who has gotten recently frustrated with the metallics I'm using, and you are INSPIRING ME! Bless you, you've got a new subscriber here.
Thank you Joe, I'm glad to hear it. Welcome to the channel and I hop I can continue to inspire.
Don't know if it has been mentioned in the comments anywhere. I'd try mixing the metallic paints on a dry pallet. The wet pallet adds water to metallics which they don't respond well to. Use a thinner/flow improver to mix and thin your metallic paints. Great video and hope this helps a little. Apologies if it has already been mentioned.
Thanks Alan, this is a very good point. I've started doing this, disregarding the wet palate. Also I've been told some companies make "special" dilutors for metallic paints. But airbrush thinner is a bit more handy.
I'm so glad you told me to use the alcohol to dilute the vallejo silver paint instead of my kids, I was so close to using on them haha great video btw
Good thing we got that right huh?!
this was fantastic
Glad to hear it C, thanks :)
really fun and amazing video. really great subject matter youve dealt with unlike no other.
Thanks G! I appreciate it!
Imp gaming in Lincoln UK are always my go to. They recommended vallejo metal colour and its all I use now!
Imps Gaming are great. It's always a pleasure to drop in and chat to Ian, James, and Phil.
I'm a recent convert to vallejo metal colour, especially for my silver/gun metals
If I ever end up in Lincoln, I'll stop by Imp :) Thanks! And thanks for spreading the word of your LFGS
@@GeekGamingScenics I tell you what mate, it helps being able to pick up modelling compound, basing material, and basing glue in a snap.
@@GeekGamingScenics ha ha it certainly helps!
Something I consistently love about your videos is how you discuss hobby topics through the lense of your personal experience. This video would have been incredibly dull if it had only been a straight discussion of metallic paints.
I have the new GSW metallic pigments too. They're fantastic, if a bit messy to work with. I'm not thrilled opening the jar and watching metallic dust float up into the air.
They airbrush well also. Just mix the pigment with normal airbrush thinner and go to town.
Thanks G! I appreciate it... yeah.. imagine accidently tipping that powder out over your workspace...
Great video and amazing paintjob! Had the same issue with metalic paint and really liked the resault after the matt varnish,.
Thanks T, and glad to hear it. Yes, It seems some of us are born matte, some glossy. Whatever makes each and every one of us happy.
Fantastic...! 😍👍🏽
Thanks a lot 😊
Well I tried the Matt varnish over metallics. Yeap, that's how I am painting my metallics from now on. Thanks for that idea man.
Nice! Glad to hear it Luke.
Citadel metallics has biggest metal fraction ive ever saw. If you want shininess use vallejo metal color (the best metallics on the market rn) or greenstuffworld mirror paint. Also covering metallics with gloss varnish helps. And do not water down metallics - it will become splotchy. Use mediums or metallic mediums.
Yeah, the watering down thing I noticed. I'm going to look into metallic "watering down" mediums and see what I can find. Thanks!
@@52Miniatures I've had success with Vallejo's Glaze Medium for thinning their metallic paints!
Vallejo air metallics go on as smooth as butter with a brush. Absolutes the best metallics you can buy.
I love your videos, your content is always so compelling and interesting, even when the topic has been covered by others before. You have such an interesting script and presentation.
Thank you M, I very much appreciate it.
Great, methodical process! While initially time consuming (I bet) what's learned can be usefully implemented going forward and looks like it's worth some of the effort. Wonderful video essay.
Thanks V, appreciate it. It was quite time consuming. And I actually cut a lot out. There was more test minis.. with inks and contrast paints and oil paints.. all kind of stuff. But this video turned out long enough as is. And I kept all the important bits :)
Merci pour ce travail de fourmi ! Cela va beaucoup me servir dans mes futures peintures 😊 oh et excellent montage ! Bon courage dans les futurs projets
Merci Thomas!
Thanks. This helped a lot. I was getting frustrated with metallic paints too. I may have to pick up some of the Scale75 Alchemy sets. I like their other paints, I also do a lot of glazing and wet blending. Thanks again for the informative video.
Great Stephen, it’s still, like most metallic paint, difficult to paint with I think. But the final result is great and the sets are helpful
Vallejo Aluminium is the only colour I use for metallics. It covers great. And then I tint it with other thin paints. Like contrast. This way you never need another metal colour. Just buckets of Vallejo Aluminium. You get the entire spectrum.
Another great video! and that store looks amazing, really envious
Thanks Leo! It's is a lovely place. They have so much stuff. And a lot of boardgames for all ages. So my son likes to hang out there to :)
@@52Miniatures I remember the one that I use to visit as a kid, they are a treasure. Sadly in my city there isn't one so focused on wargames and board games anymore. Enjoy it!!
Such a good journey through all of the different paints. Thank you for taking us with you!
Great :) & my pleasure!
Thanks for the info. Very interesting results.
My pleasure Basil! Thanks for watching.
Scale 75 metals so far have to be my favorite. Also thanks for the 10mins back. I promise to not use it well.
Yes, they are lovely. I'm biased perhaps, loving all their paint.. but there you go. And your welcome :)
@@52Miniatures I've also heard dark star is really good. Havent had a chance to try it myself shipping rates to the U.S. are simply too murderous right now but might be worth a look.
I've heard that as well, yet to try though. Not the shipping rates.. the paints..
@@52Miniatures well definitely dont recommend high shipping rates but who knows maybe they are worth it. Maybe the paints too.
Your understanding of colour theory is phenomenal.
Thank you Aaron, I'll be honest and say that I just go with what I think looks nice... but I have been working with "color" (I'm a photographer) for a long time... so maybe that rubs off.
@@52Miniatures Well, what ever it is it certainly works.
On a side note (or more of a coincidence) my brother-in-law Jeremy koreski is a professional photographer. He is not, however, a painter.
buy him some minis!
Although I had a different experience with metallics, I really enjoyed the process of explaining your struggle and initial objections, and how you eventually overcame them. The result is remarkable and has given me a lot to think about, and opened ways to improve the way I used shiny paints, and metallics in particular. Thank you for a great video: both in content AND in form. Ha en fin dag!
Glad to hear it! Tack själv
"Time is not important, only life..." and excellence. I've never consider a matte varnish before. Interesting. I have mixed metallic paint and pigments in with my 'normal' paints in the past especially into my canvas work...you know...just to kitsch it up and appeal to the hot rod crowd I was painting for...but on models and minis it just didn't do what I was anticipating.
Hej friend. Gday from Australia. I’ve just started painting miniatures for the first time ever since December. Your style and videos are excellent. I wanted to say thank you I think I’ve watched them all now. I will be trying to emulate a lot of your work. Please keep on making content. I appreciate it greatly.
Welcome to the hobby Dom, glad to hear that the videos can inspire. Thanks for that.
Wax based metallics have a very unique feature they share with real metals - they can be polished into a shine.
I have heard a lot about them, but have not tried yet. Baby steps :) But thank you for the tip!
Magnificent! You have given me so much to think about now. Thank you!
Well thank you Jonny, I'm glad to hear it :)
Another great vid and another outstanding paint job, well done fella
Thank you 🙏 appreciate it!
Looked awesome. Worth the effort and wait :)
Thanks Brent! The videos take quite some time to make. But I rather do it this way :)
Great video. I’ve been watching your progress and this experiment has resulted in your best paint job to date in my opinion. One of the things I noticed is how your previous experiments, developed in your older videos, are still visible in elements of this piece (the base in particular reminding me of your pink/blue Stormcast) but in a far more subtle and integrated way. For a beginner like me it makes for a far more inspirational viewing experience than watching miniature painters who already have a fully developed style. Also the matt varnish was utterly transformative. Kudos!
Thanks Tony! I very much appreciate you comment, because it is one of the big things I subtly(?) try to communicate. Inspiration.. and just being allowed to have a "hobby journey" without aiming for a golden daemon of making a living out of the whole thing. I'm glad to hear that I still can connect a bit with someone new to the hobby, that is always something I'm afraid of loosing the more advanced my own painting gets.
That was a really insightful look at metallic paint application. Much appreciated.
Glad to hear it I, thanks.
Great information... Things learnt, here! The mini itself, turned out beautiful!
Thanks V! Glad to hear it.
Great video as always. Hopefully I can use it to help me break away from my affair with metallic paints.
Thanks R, I wish you good luck :)
I found this channel just 30mins ago and have just found one of my most favourite and beautifully painted miniatures (experiment or not). Very Slaneeshy, I'll binge your channel now
Thank you Kishki, I appreciate it.
This video is awesome! I've been researching different brands for metallics, so glad you did this. oh, and WOW the paint job turned out great.
Thanks a lot Mikey, I'm glad you liked it. I mean, please go on with your own research, we all have different taste. But now at least you have some examples to go by :)
Fantastic results, Great tips and techniques, all packaged in a professionally produced video! Not to mention that your dry humor is spot-on....the governator...I am from Sandy Eggo. Much Thanks.
Thanks D! I appreciate it.
This looks great, the big guy reminds me of Xerxes from 300 , your skills are out of this world
I do think the varnishes "ruined" all the great work you did with the metallics though...
maybe you could do the same paint job but with normal paints and see if it looks much different
Thanks N, personally I like the matte. But yeah, that is personal only. The metallic did look more metallic before the varnish. I was actually thinking the same thing when painting this mini... wondering what it would have looked like if I painted it with regular paints. I do think that it all would have looked a lot nicer with less metallics. Lets say I would only have done his skin in metallics and the rest with regular paints. That would really have made him "pop".. but that was not quite the exercise :)
@@52Miniatures i really like the metallic skin, really difficult to achieve, as you demonstrated, but reminiscent of some Chinese or Korean aesthetics. Also digging the interplay between gold and metallic purple, need to try that on one of my models. I find mixing regular shades into my metallics really difficult, they immediately lose 80% of their luster. Maybe I need to try inks instead... And GreenStuffWorld has quickly become one of my new faves in the hobby space, lots of tools i haven't really seen other companies attempt, or not execute on as well at least.
Another excellent film. I am am considering something similar for the insect parts on my blightlords, so now i can learn from your experiment too.
Thanks Russel, sounds lovely. Metalics and color shifts for that stuff is probably great.
I was thinking of coloured washes over metalic base, but now i might also try metalic colour mixes as in your film. Got a few test models ready so ill try versions of both i think.
I was thinking about getting this kit snd doing pretty much the same
You've full convinced to grab it now
Cool! It's a very nice mini I think. Watch out when trying to glue on the wee lady, I totally messed that up and had to cut her leg of and try and in the end had to sculpt a new knee from greenstuff..
@@52Miniatures thanks for the tip! Ill be sure to look out for that thanks
I have discovered your channel lately and I think you reconciliate me with Wet Blending technique. Now I urge to return at my paintbench.. but there's so much others videos. XD
Keep going mate.
Thanks Bob, appreciate it. Glad to hear you getting into the painting, leave the videos till later :)
This is honestly the exact same issue i've been dealing with ever since i started. A lot of the time i will just dull the metallics down with regular paint or washes because i didn't like the effect. Here recently I tried out model master gold and really enjoyed the results
Thanks Adreian, Model Master... I don't know if I ever heard of that?
Dude making a paint review, filming it like a scandinavian documentary
Thank you for the 10 min, I don't even mind that you took some back lol. I am glade that you seem to always be one step ahead of me and can work all these things out before I have too lol. I have been searching for some alternatives metallic paints as well. I am thinking of trying the AK interactive true metal line. They are wax based and are thinned with white spirits. They seem to work a lot like oil paints (which I now have!) and can even be mixed/blended with them. Great video, thanks!
Hello Josh! How nice to hear from you. Yes the Ak seems to be interesting paints, a lot of folks seem to like them. I’m a bit bummed out by the company itself, they have done some rather awful marketing stuff... but there is no one else that does as matte varnish as they...
I have recently found your channel and I wanted to say that your content is fantastic. I appreciate your style of storytelling whilst also being very informative.
Thank you Michael, I appreciate it. Welcome to the channel.
I definitely agree about matte varnishes. I hate it when my minis look too shiny. Great video, as usual! I just picked up some oil washes and pigments from arbeitlung and Scale to try based on your previous video. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing those golds you used in this one. I really like them!
Thanks Ben and good luck with all of the new products. I hope you find your way with them :)
Love the end result. The shimmer effect could really suit things like chaos.
Yeah :) Thanks D!
I really like citadel runelord brass, excellent paint for brass colors, I even nearly dry brushed it on some tiny tiny war of the ring boardgame chainmail, looks perfectly good.
Glad to hear it R!
I tend to use rattle can chrome metallic sprays for anything I want silver and gold with a more realistic look. Lots of masking off but it works for me.
Thank you so much for sharing that experiment - awesome result!
Thanks! Glad to hear it :)
Thx for your videos. I realy like the style of your work.😁
Thanks René, appreciate it.
Really enjoyed this video, thanks. Lovely job on the miniature too. It’s great to hear a
your thought process as you go along.
Also, I’m told the GSW chrome paint needs to cure for a long time before you can apply other stuff on top - maybe that’s why one attempt failed and the next succeeded?
Thanks Daniel, this might very much be true. It was the first time I used them.. and as usual I didn't really research much. In these instances it would be nice with a little more information on the bottles I think.
different approach to testing paints than many others, liked and subscribed. keep it up =)
Thanks O, welcome to the channel :)
This is incredible 💞😍
Thanks Mark!