Also i'd really like it if you made videos less on dumb speculation and more on important things like why bretta can blush even if bugs don't have blood
What if focus is used in a more literal sense of focusing on a goal for example although void has a mind the void tendrils lash out without any goal or focus but when the void becomes the shade lord it is focused on obtaining a goal of killing the radiance. For soul you are “focusing on the objective of healing your wounds or the snail shamans having spiral focuses to vest spells. Just a thought
Everyone: reads in-game tutorial “Oh, so that’s how I play the game.” mossbag: reads in-game tutorial *”This is clearly political deception to undermine other kingdoms in an attempt to lure gullible travelers to the false hope that is the land Hallownest, why couldn’t we see this before?”*
‘higher beings these words are for you alone’ rick and morty viewers: now this looks like a job for me (also i’m so happy ur back i was literally rewatching ur old vids today)
I feel like Team Cherry just put some stuff in, and Mossbag’s adding it to some deep lore universe thing, and they’re just rolling along with it to seem smart.
Illuminati Studios When everything in a piece of media is extremely vague and you're expected to piece it all together, that's how you know the creator was just throwing stuff in there. Oh hello Catghost and Petscop I didn't see you there.
In facts, mossbag's videos are very speculative, and Team Cherry said themself Hollow Knight had no lore established, which mean there isn't really an interpretation above the others. In my opinion, all of these things made sense when Team Cherry put them together, but I don't think they were to reflect about why are the tablets in the King's Pass. However, has Hollow Knight got "no lore", that means creating new lore is definitively not trash.
I think when the final lore tablet mentions last and only civilization, the eternal kingdom, it means that Hallownest will be the only civilization left standing and will be eternal. But we all knew that was a fucking lie because of the radiance
I laughed when I first heard that because I thought it was a joke because I figured that most people would assume he's wrong or at least remain neutral until convinced by whatever argument he was about to make and I figured he would think the same thing but now idk maybe he really does think everybody just automatically assumes he's right no matter what he's talking about lol
"The last and only civilization" could be referring to a belief that the Pale King views other lands as Savage compared to his own kingdom. Also, we are still unsure of Silksong being a prequel or a sequel, right?
Maybe he is saying “last civilization” to suggest that other kingdoms, though clearly civilizations, are not civilized compared to Hallownest. Like he is downgrading other civilizations because they are “not as great as his.” It is clear that the Pale King is not the most reliable narrator.
I always figured the "last and only civilization" thing was because the Pale King was so confident that Hallownest would last forever that in the future all other civilizations would crumble, leaving only Hallownest
The interpretation that "higher beings" is anyone who managed to find a way above their base instincts is something I never thought of, but makes quite a bit of sense in hindsight. Also, I thought the fungi were born by the dream of Unn, and that blessing is where they drew intelligence from?
Coffee Coffee iirc it’s the moss people who were created by unn, not the mushrooms. The Hunter claims that mushroom people were created by the infection.
@@philltheotherguy1868 I mean, given Mr. Mushroom that doesn't seem likely, or why the Mushrooms don't exhibit the typical signs of Infection. The only mention I could find for their creation was "something queer in the air has caused these mushrooms to grow hearts, minds, and even faces!" but that's vague at best and also doesn't fit with the Radiance's MO, since they're still individual creatures. Honestly, the Mushrooms seem like one of the only creatures who are completely immune, or just don't show any symptoms for, the Infection.
@@CoffeeWyrm as best as I can tell Mr. Mushroom is separate from the Mushroom tribe, but somehow related. Maybe he's like a prophet or something? But you're right in thinking that the Mushroom tribe were not spawned of the infection, at least some of their lore tablets (readable and noticeable when wearing fungal spores charm) clearly refer to a time before the infection. But I don't think they're immune to the infection, as the Shrumal warriors and ogres have attacks which are bright orange, infection coloured. The only creatures in all of Hallownest that are definitely able to resist the infection at will besides other godly creatures are the Mantises. And before you mention the mantis traitors, they're only infected because they were infected willingly.
15:40 One thing you are forgetting Mossbag. These civilizations could have been created after the Pale King's demise, and Hallownest had fallen to the infection. By spreading elsewhere, bugs were able to escape The Radiance's last influences (the infection), and built new civilizations modeling Hallownest in many ways.
6:07 can't believe Team Cherry used the words "Amongst Us" in a lore tablet, I'm never reading lore tablets again and I am going to become illiterate in order to make sure I don't accidentally read any
Can you make a lore video on the different parts of the City of Tears and what you think different areas were for? Like analyze the level design and backgrounds and stuff to put together how the City worked? Maybe analyze the caste system if you can? Could work into a broader analysis video on how the regions of Hallownest interacted, for example how Forgotten Crossroads functioned and who lived there, where the lower class of the City lived, who or what lived in Greenpath, to what extent the Fungal Wasted were colonized or used by the Kingdom, etc. I know it’s a big ask, but I feel like you’d make a legendary video just giving your two cents on it. If you do it make sure you meme this comment into the video anyway bapanada BEEYOTCH
I know it’s a bit of a stretch, but have you thought of redoing the first video with your current knowledge of Hollow Knight? I saw you mention it on your Twitter but kinda skimmed over it. Also, Epstein didn’t kill himself.
I really appreciate people who go through these kinds of lengths to make compelling videos about the lore of games that are more cryptic than the Da Vinci Code and makes me appreciate it more. Also, I appreciate this channel for doing a good job of it too. I wonder if the great "mossbag" will do other lore videos about other games than Hollow Knight. Of course, I await for the Silksong release and I would be watching this channel as closely as the godtuners would. If ever you decide to make lore videos of other games with confusing yet compelling lore, I am most curious on your take of the game "Blasphemous". Cheers to this channel!
Another possibility is that it all has to do with the winds in the cliffs. Quirrel talks about how the wind “clouds his mind.” So it sounds like the wind makes it hard for him to focus, which is why faceless bugs outside Hallownest are mindless.
I thought there was nothing left to pick over in this game but somehow this was one of my favourite episodes yet. Digging down into vague yet repeatedly used terms seems like a surprisingly productive way to get inside the writers' heads with cryptic stories like this. Someone with an English degree could probably put a name to this approach... I'll just have to keep thinking of it as "Big Brain Analysis".
My take on the whole mask thing is that the knight uses the masks to hide his true form (Void), as when all of your masks break, the void inside the knight spills out all over the place, as there is no longer anything to contain the knights true form in it's shell
My interpretation was that the tablets were The Pale Kings last ditch effort to save Hallownest. I think it's possible that he knew the Pure Vessel was impure thus "wrote" those tablets in order to teach the other vessels. You literally hear a strange breath when you "read" them, and I think The Pale King "wrote" the tablets with his last breath in the royal throne room.
To me, "the last and only civilization" was a testament to the Pale King's hubris. Hallownest was supposed to stand eternally, so eventually, it *would* be the last and only civilization, as time eventually claimed all the others. Of course, things didn't quite pan out that way. The tablet ends up being bitingly ironic, in much the same way as Ozymandias's boastful pedestal inscription in the featureless desert.
me : "i have no idea what mossbag is talking about in this video" team cherry : "neither do we" but i still love the video, it sparks my curiousity for silksong
Confession: my crackpot theory for the lore tablets was that they were intended for us, the players. It seems like Ellina wasn't able to read the lore tablet (at least that's how I interpreted it). Besides the one instructing the knight on how to focus soul, each one feels very... meta. Why would the knight need to know that the abyss contains something shameful (to paraphrase), if it would know this already? Besides the higher beings we know of: grimm, mothra (who wouldn't be reading them anyway) and the pale king and queen (who would already know the information on them), who else would read them? We know the knight, its siblings and the hollow knight are meant to be vessels that can contain higher beings. What if in a way, the knight's containing us? The white lady said that the knight was not tarnished. If it was truly hollow, why would it make such seemingly unnecessary choices like choosing to sit to watch the lake with quirrel or sitting to listen to Marissa the singer? They don't progress any sort of quest, they're just... choices the knight is free to make, so why would the knight choose to go out of its way to do these if it doesn't have any desires (because of the whole hollowness thing)? I could also be 110% wrong and an idiot for even thinking any of this but what fun would hollow knight be if we didn't obsessively speculate over tiny things like who Lord Fool was, how Hornet got her name, or how zote became such a raging sex god
Wouldn't the Knight actually *not* know that? Because they lost their memories after leaving Hallownest, didn't they? They were simply "called" to the kingdom, but not truly knowing, or remembering, about what it hid. They were basically a newcomer to Hallownest throughout the game. Although this still doesn't explain that tablet's purpose.
I love how the story is told in this game! Little pieces of the story are taken in from dialogue, signs, as well as implied by corpses of a bygone era. Hollow Knight always leaves me hungry to learn a little more about the places and the bugs that inhabit them. Great video as always! Looking forward to Silksong!!
I feel like the way they use focus it is meant to represent someone capable of though beyond just fallowing their basic instinct. I think it was mentioned somewhere (probably in the comic) that bugs outside of hallow nest are basically beasts that fallow their instinct and nothing more. However certain bugs (like the pale king or the godseeker) managed to evolve beyond this which also gave the the ability to influence others and force them to "level up" into the same state. There may be different ways to do this like the pale kings power or the godseekers masks but it seams to be something that happens every so often in this world (as we do have references to many other civilizations made by bugs). This just might be a great filter that exists in the Hollow Knight world. The great filters theory states that for life to exits and evolve it has to overcome certain obstacle and in this came it might be to create a kingdom that will not fall resulting in the bugs reverting back to their lower selves. Either way what I wanna say is that focus can just refer to a beings ability to have complex thought. Like for instance a bug that by instinct wants to collect shit would suddenly be able to come up with ways to use it in order to kick someones ass.
Hey so what if the knight can read the higher beings tablet cuz he’s made of void, and wears a mask because void does not have a face, and therefore can’t focus, leading to the knight becoming the Shadelord, “Void given focus,” and tossing its mask away, since it now has focus and a face of its own That was my thought process while watching this, but idk if you’ve already thought of it with your immense speculative brain
Actually yes! While making this video, I noticed something about the Mask Maker's dialogue. He says "A mask! A face! Does it need one? Does it not? To define. To focus. To exist." What I just now noticed is the use of the word "it". Mask Maker might actually be asking these questions about the Knight itself, not just creatures in general. So maybe his dialogue here is alluding to how the Knight needs its shell to focus, but the Godmaster endings show the Knight having it's own focus without the shell.
Interesting speculation , but one that certainly raises some questions. For one , if the knight could manifest into the Shadelord himself - what was the necessity to fight the Radiance in his standard vessel form in the first place? You point out that it was a result of him acquiring the prerequisite focus it takes to transcend to this form ; however what part of this process was catalyzed by fighting the Radiance (if at all) ? Secondly , the Shadelord is apparent to be the "physical" manifestation of the raw , untamed force of the Void per say. Is it really possible for a vessel (or any creature) to embody the entity thus formed by itself? I am inclined to discard this assertion , since it would have wild implications as to the identity of the vessels themselves and the nature of Void besides many other significant aspects of the lore. Furthermore , about @mossbag 's remark about the Mask Maker's dialogue : "A mask! A face! Does it need one? Does it not? To define. To focus. To exist." ...I am not certain if it is referring to the knight in any capacity particularly insinuating its status as some incarnation of Void , but rather the same statement would make perfect sense considering the Knight's being a vessel. The vessels were birthed/created with the singular purpose of warding off the radiance or incarcerating it within themselves. This singularity of existence would be tampered with , by the existence of an "identity" - yet at the same time a sense of identity would be absolutely essential to sustain a Focus to achieve its same very purpose of emerging victorious over the Radiance (?) This does create a weird paradoxical situation in this regard. However yeah I would really like to acquire some second insight on this matter.
@@XeroErichsen Mossbag presented a theory in his video on Godseeker's lore that the Shadelord might have been somewhat created because of the Knight beating the pantheons, getting the godseeker's attention which might have led her to attune to the void or something. Before that, the void has no mind, no shape, no ability to focus, hence the need to make a mask for the vessels. But, when after ascending the whole Godhome, the Knight defeats the Absolute Radiance - becoming the God of Gods in the eye of the Godseeker - it gives Mind/Focus to the Void (as mentioned with the Shadelord statue) where it only had Form before that. So it could still be a valid theory. What makes me think the Godseeker might actually be the cause of the Shadelord ascension is the fact that we found her trapped in a coffin, which might imply that someone thought of her as a potential threat.
8:41 My Theory is that the description “Void Given Focus”, is referring to the manifestation of the Shade Lord, through the *focus* of the Godseekers and Knight.
Oh, boy... Everyday I return to rewatch every single video of Moss-Bag again and again while silksong is not released (looking forward to 2047). I'm already about to became one of the grandmaster of Hollow Knight lore
A new mossbag video! Wonderful! Now I got something to rewatch like 12 times in two months while I wait for more. FATHER I CARVE LORE EVEN THO YOU TALKED PRETTY MUCH ABOUT EVERYTHING IN HOLLOW KNIGHT ALREADY
I think the statement about masks from Maskmaker was either figurative or just deranged ramblings brought on by isolation for prolonged amounts of time in Deepnest. Either way great video lowercase mossbag.
Holy f*ck I missed this type of video. Your beautiful voice explaining the lore of the game with the soundtrack from Hollow Knight. Just because of this video I am going back to your 30 - 40 min videos . I love Hollow Knight and Mossbag
The tablets light up when you get near them, so maybe the king wrote them for the vessels and other bugs cannot read them. Since the vessels have the natural ability to focus soul, and other bugs, like from the soul sanctum, are the ones who could only dream about these feats( as stated on the tablets)
Why would the King write anything for the Vessels? He never planned on ANY vessel (aside from the hollow knight) to ever escape the abyss. He sealed the gate so none can escape or enter. The King never meant for a vessel to ever freely roam Hallownest.
lore tablets more like gotta take these tablets with a glass of milk and a pinch of salt also when is the video coming about the deep history of objectively the best charm in the game, heavy blow
Just had a crack idea Open your eyes sheeple Zote was a knight that didn't get dipped in the void and was used as a coverup for the hollow knight, pretending like Zote was the hero so that all the bugs didn't see the pale king just yeeting his kids into the void for a plan that only might work.
I always interpreted Hallownest being the "only civilization" as a disdain from the Pale King to whatever other kingdoms might exist beyond, not an outright claim of being the only organized bugs
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Silksong gotta get released fast otherwise we'll have a 20 min video about each dream warrior
Don't give him ideas!
I would like to see a 20 minute video about Gorb.
@@fletchhead No! Give him MORE ideas!
@@headcrabA "How good of a Waifu is Hornet actually?"
Wouldn’t be so bad.
If I were such a weaboo I had swirly anime eyes IRL, I would also wear a mask to hide my shame.
Chairman Meow this made me laugh too much than it should have
Chairman Meow Aren’t you Magnus’s cat?
AztecFitnessGodOfGains ???
*Nagito Komeada, on the Nintendo DS*
Also i'd really like it if you made videos less on dumb speculation and more on important things like why bretta can blush even if bugs don't have blood
I mean, hemolymph is similar to blood
Statical that is so valid
Void.
@@matti.8465 hornet is void
Blushing=red
Red=nightmare essence
Bretta is NKG confirmed
"higher beings, these words are for you alone"
"I thought you'd be taller"
"higher beings, tell us of your suppliers, tell us of where you get your *BATH* *SALTS* to achieve such a high"
@Akivaq he has a very thin hair
"How's the weather up there?"
Mossbag: Does he want me to pay taxes or something?
onscreen: “No cost too great.” -pk
Well, you kinda have to pay 3000 or so geo to the Pale King, I think it's safe to say he expects you to pay taxes
Is the Pale King a liberal???
You just opened my eyes, this the pale kings initials are PK. Where else have we seen pk. Ness's spells. It was there the whole time
Ness=Pale King
Raging Monkey Critic PK Buzzsaw
@@epicosity1224He was pro imagination, and tried to stop disease
0:55
Shoutouts to mossbag for being such a boss, he dislikes his own videos.
"That video" refers to MatPat's video, not mossbag's video
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Uh? You sure about that? Im pretty sure that was mossbags debunking video.
The title shows it’s his debunking video
@@thensity6594 I know
@@scapeist5019 I'm not convinced you do in fact know, because if you knew you wouldn't have said what you said...i think
I just saw Mossbag's new upload and honestly *it changed my life*
I liked your comment and honestly...it changed my life.
i died and honestly it changed my life
I changed my life and honestly it changed my life
*Gorb* changed my life
@@Pine2142 I changed the letters around in my life and honestly...it changed my life.
What if focus is used in a more literal sense of focusing on a goal for example although void has a mind the void tendrils lash out without any goal or focus but when the void becomes the shade lord it is focused on obtaining a goal of killing the radiance. For soul you are “focusing on the objective of healing your wounds or the snail shamans having spiral focuses to vest spells. Just a thought
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@@lemmonboy6459 not really
Everyone: reads in-game tutorial
“Oh, so that’s how I play the game.”
mossbag: reads in-game tutorial
*”This is clearly political deception to undermine other kingdoms in an attempt to lure gullible travelers to the false hope that is the land Hallownest, why couldn’t we see this before?”*
Haha exactly!!
...he...spoke to me...I feel humbled to be in his presence...
haha American Dream go brrr
How is this comment only in 3 comments
why does this comment only have 5 replies?
‘higher beings these words are for you alone’
rick and morty viewers: now this looks like a job for me
(also i’m so happy ur back i was literally rewatching ur old vids today)
MyOzx lol I love your moe profile pic
Same
Petition to now start every youtube comment with "Higher beings, this words are for you alone"
Higher beings,these words are for you alone
Bepis
Higher being, these words are for you alone
Ok, LUL
Higher beings, these words are for you alone:
to make a long story short i put a whole bag of jellybeans up my ass
Higher beings, these words are for you alone.
@Deserve Not Desire bruh u messed it up
Higher beings, these words are for you alone
W Y R M
Mossbag: “I’m gonna speak nonsense”
Me: he’s gonna speak 𝙜𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙤𝙧𝙮 :0
Wow, you burned that man like he was the Nightmare King
oi be nice, he has some good theories
Kingofgames2k dw it was only a joke 😣 (and I was mostly referring to the HK one 😬)
AnthonyyBxldos
How did you do that font change?
Ties de Jong not really, this is in *asterisks* and this is from an 𝙖𝙥𝙥
Me about to go to sleep
"Mossbag has uploaded a new video"
Me: "I don't need sleep, I need answers"
i was in the same situation too
Right here llol
Hilarious and original comment
@@thepencilcunts thank you
I clicked so fast that a tachyon particle felt jealousy
Noice
Is that faster than light or no?
@@dunkslammerornstein766 yes... hyphotetically
@@ValensRenvhaggel Not fast enough.....
When playing Hollow Knight: I just read King’s Pass lore tablets, and honestly, it changed my life
I listened to all of Zotes precepts and honestly, it changed my life
MOSS DADDY I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!!
Also are you ever going to make a lore video on the Hunter?
Sure. That sounds easy.
@@mossbag69 famous last words.
i hope im in the screenshot when he shows this in the video
Alex Sprague same
Alex Sprague same
I feel like Team Cherry just put some stuff in, and Mossbag’s adding it to some deep lore universe thing, and they’re just rolling along with it to seem smart.
Illuminati Studios
When everything in a piece of media is extremely vague and you're expected to piece it all together, that's how you know the creator was just throwing stuff in there. Oh hello Catghost and Petscop I didn't see you there.
@@DementedDuskull Murakami's the guy that basicaly shows you're wrong
In facts, mossbag's videos are very speculative, and Team Cherry said themself Hollow Knight had no lore established, which mean there isn't really an interpretation above the others. In my opinion, all of these things made sense when Team Cherry put them together, but I don't think they were to reflect about why are the tablets in the King's Pass. However, has Hollow Knight got "no lore", that means creating new lore is definitively not trash.
Nicolas Sigwalt
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What?
@@DementedDuskull I tried
I think when the final lore tablet mentions last and only civilization, the eternal kingdom, it means that Hallownest will be the only civilization left standing and will be eternal. But we all knew that was a fucking lie because of the radiance
Unless you count its remains and the few remaining bugs
"out there,speculative,nonsense" so you are learning the matpat way
>"I should sleep, theres work tomorrow"
Mossbag: "nope"
Us: waiting for Silksong news
Mossbag: lOrE TaBleT SpeCuLaTioN
Hey I'll take what I can get lol
"Dont assume that I'm right"
This is now fact.
I laughed when I first heard that because I thought it was a joke because I figured that most people would assume he's wrong or at least remain neutral until convinced by whatever argument he was about to make and I figured he would think the same thing but now idk maybe he really does think everybody just automatically assumes he's right no matter what he's talking about lol
"The last and only civilization" could be referring to a belief that the Pale King views other lands as Savage compared to his own kingdom. Also, we are still unsure of Silksong being a prequel or a sequel, right?
yeah
I was editing mossbag's captions and I just see, "The owner already provided CC for this video."
and then I broke.
Sorry! Just so you know, I will always provide English captions for my own scripted videos.
@@mossbag69 ok thanks!
"This C H O N K Y bug corpse"
I wonder if Mossbag feels weirder about (lightheartedly) making fun of William and Ari now that he's met them.
Maybe he is saying “last civilization” to suggest that other kingdoms, though clearly civilizations, are not civilized compared to Hallownest. Like he is downgrading other civilizations because they are “not as great as his.” It is clear that the Pale King is not the most reliable narrator.
I always figured the "last and only civilization" thing was because the Pale King was so confident that Hallownest would last forever that in the future all other civilizations would crumble, leaving only Hallownest
Omg i was so scared you weren't gonna upload until silksong came out hoolly i clicked as soon as i got the notif
Im more curious about that “Born of God and Meme” playlist
It's mostly animatics of the hollow knight characters over audio of other things.
Nova X37149 still it has some good memes
@@trevorpgamer1936 yah
I think the stuff at the end being boring skewed the rest of it
The interpretation that "higher beings" is anyone who managed to find a way above their base instincts is something I never thought of, but makes quite a bit of sense in hindsight.
Also, I thought the fungi were born by the dream of Unn, and that blessing is where they drew intelligence from?
Coffee Coffee iirc it’s the moss people who were created by unn, not the mushrooms. The Hunter claims that mushroom people were created by the infection.
@@philltheotherguy1868 I mean, given Mr. Mushroom that doesn't seem likely, or why the Mushrooms don't exhibit the typical signs of Infection.
The only mention I could find for their creation was "something queer in the air has caused these mushrooms to grow hearts, minds, and even faces!" but that's vague at best and also doesn't fit with the Radiance's MO, since they're still individual creatures.
Honestly, the Mushrooms seem like one of the only creatures who are completely immune, or just don't show any symptoms for, the Infection.
@@CoffeeWyrm as best as I can tell Mr. Mushroom is separate from the Mushroom tribe, but somehow related. Maybe he's like a prophet or something? But you're right in thinking that the Mushroom tribe were not spawned of the infection, at least some of their lore tablets (readable and noticeable when wearing fungal spores charm) clearly refer to a time before the infection. But I don't think they're immune to the infection, as the Shrumal warriors and ogres have attacks which are bright orange, infection coloured. The only creatures in all of Hallownest that are definitely able to resist the infection at will besides other godly creatures are the Mantises. And before you mention the mantis traitors, they're only infected because they were infected willingly.
Got damn it, I was trying to get through No Nut November, and then you upload Lore.
Heck you mossbag.
Join use brother for hentai is our place of belonging
I shaved myself because of this video
15:40 One thing you are forgetting Mossbag. These civilizations could have been created after the Pale King's demise, and Hallownest had fallen to the infection. By spreading elsewhere, bugs were able to escape The Radiance's last influences (the infection), and built new civilizations modeling Hallownest in many ways.
6:07 can't believe Team Cherry used the words "Amongst Us" in a lore tablet, I'm never reading lore tablets again and I am going to become illiterate in order to make sure I don't accidentally read any
You could have used the following bugs animations for these words: Deep. (Deepling) Hard. (Garpede) Throbbing. (Dead Moss Prophet) :)
I thought Mossbag was just going to go into hibernation until Silksong, but apparently not.
Can you make a lore video on the different parts of the City of Tears and what you think different areas were for? Like analyze the level design and backgrounds and stuff to put together how the City worked? Maybe analyze the caste system if you can? Could work into a broader analysis video on how the regions of Hallownest interacted, for example how Forgotten Crossroads functioned and who lived there, where the lower class of the City lived, who or what lived in Greenpath, to what extent the Fungal Wasted were colonized or used by the Kingdom, etc.
I know it’s a big ask, but I feel like you’d make a legendary video just giving your two cents on it. If you do it make sure you meme this comment into the video anyway bapanada BEEYOTCH
That would be awesome. Idk if we have enough information to speculate all that much on that topic but it would be fun to watch him try lol
M C spread the word then
Mossbag talk about this or I'll send a pipe bomb to your mailbox
I looked at the king’s pass lore tablets and honestly, it changed my life.
I know it’s a bit of a stretch, but have you thought of redoing the first video with your current knowledge of Hollow Knight? I saw you mention it on your Twitter but kinda skimmed over it.
Also, Epstein didn’t kill himself.
0:55 - My playlist made it into a vid, time to party.
_* proceeds to dance *_
* hops onto screen from off screen* b o o g i e t i m e
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I really appreciate people who go through these kinds of lengths to make compelling videos about the lore of games that are more cryptic than the Da Vinci Code and makes me appreciate it more. Also, I appreciate this channel for doing a good job of it too.
I wonder if the great "mossbag" will do other lore videos about other games than Hollow Knight. Of course, I await for the Silksong release and I would be watching this channel as closely as the godtuners would.
If ever you decide to make lore videos of other games with confusing yet compelling lore, I am most curious on your take of the game "Blasphemous".
Cheers to this channel!
Another possibility is that it all has to do with the winds in the cliffs. Quirrel talks about how the wind “clouds his mind.” So it sounds like the wind makes it hard for him to focus, which is why faceless bugs outside Hallownest are mindless.
Ah yes, the sight and melody of Hollow Knight's Lore. It fills the void from within my soul.
Ba dam tusss.
0:57 "why shrek forever after is an underrated gem" is marked as watched.... a man of culture i see
We can bet that when SilkSong comes out, mossbag will have a literal goldmine of theories and content about it!
Not literal
If Silksong comes out during his lifetime
I thought there was nothing left to pick over in this game but somehow this was one of my favourite episodes yet. Digging down into vague yet repeatedly used terms seems like a surprisingly productive way to get inside the writers' heads with cryptic stories like this. Someone with an English degree could probably put a name to this approach... I'll just have to keep thinking of it as "Big Brain Analysis".
When you’re at a family gathering and excuse yourself to watch a mossbag video
Well I was about to go to sleep but obviously watching this is more important
My head canon theory about the Grimm troupe
Is that it is a metaphor for fighting Karen in court for the kid
"is he expecting me to pay taxes or something" *shows the no cost to great dialogue*
My take on the whole mask thing is that the knight uses the masks to hide his true form (Void), as when all of your masks break, the void inside the knight spills out all over the place, as there is no longer anything to contain the knights true form in it's shell
My interpretation was that the tablets were The Pale Kings last ditch effort to save Hallownest. I think it's possible that he knew the Pure Vessel was impure thus "wrote" those tablets in order to teach the other vessels. You literally hear a strange breath when you "read" them, and I think The Pale King "wrote" the tablets with his last breath in the royal throne room.
FINALLY, the people on r/hollowknightmemes have some material to work with again!
i want you to talk about the things that changed your life
If he will make video it will *honestly change my life*
@@fryderyksadocha8044 i want to be changed too
“Dont just assume I’m right” Mr mossbag you could tell me that the knight is made of void lasagna and I would still devote my soul to you
Gorb probably lost his mind wen he traveled to the howling cliffs tat is probably why he is chidlish
G O R B
Ascend
Why is there a legitimately good Gorb theory, what the fuck
The mask theory fits a lot of things quite nicely, such as Quirrel's whole mask and memory thing
To me, "the last and only civilization" was a testament to the Pale King's hubris. Hallownest was supposed to stand eternally, so eventually, it *would* be the last and only civilization, as time eventually claimed all the others.
Of course, things didn't quite pan out that way. The tablet ends up being bitingly ironic, in much the same way as Ozymandias's boastful pedestal inscription in the featureless desert.
A mossbag video in this period wut....amazing
me : "i have no idea what mossbag is talking about in this video"
team cherry : "neither do we"
but i still love the video, it sparks my curiousity for silksong
my theory is that they just forgot these tablets were in the game
With a life this changed, I think you need to become MossBAG. Think about it.
OH HELL YEAH!! 54 SECONDS WOO AGO THIS VIDEO WAS POSTED!! AND now i can loop for another few months until the next...
Confession: my crackpot theory for the lore tablets was that they were intended for us, the players. It seems like Ellina wasn't able to read the lore tablet (at least that's how I interpreted it). Besides the one instructing the knight on how to focus soul, each one feels very... meta. Why would the knight need to know that the abyss contains something shameful (to paraphrase), if it would know this already? Besides the higher beings we know of: grimm, mothra (who wouldn't be reading them anyway) and the pale king and queen (who would already know the information on them), who else would read them?
We know the knight, its siblings and the hollow knight are meant to be vessels that can contain higher beings. What if in a way, the knight's containing us? The white lady said that the knight was not tarnished. If it was truly hollow, why would it make such seemingly unnecessary choices like choosing to sit to watch the lake with quirrel or sitting to listen to Marissa the singer? They don't progress any sort of quest, they're just... choices the knight is free to make, so why would the knight choose to go out of its way to do these if it doesn't have any desires (because of the whole hollowness thing)?
I could also be 110% wrong and an idiot for even thinking any of this but what fun would hollow knight be if we didn't obsessively speculate over tiny things like who Lord Fool was, how Hornet got her name, or how zote became such a raging sex god
Wouldn't the Knight actually *not* know that? Because they lost their memories after leaving Hallownest, didn't they? They were simply "called" to the kingdom, but not truly knowing, or remembering, about what it hid. They were basically a newcomer to Hallownest throughout the game.
Although this still doesn't explain that tablet's purpose.
ugh i am so tired of meta stuff in games like basically everygame has some sort of meta in it its just exhausting
Team Cherry don’t seem like the kind of people to put “meta” stuff in their games
I love how the story is told in this game! Little pieces of the story are taken in from dialogue, signs, as well as implied by corpses of a bygone era. Hollow Knight always leaves me hungry to learn a little more about the places and the bugs that inhabit them.
Great video as always! Looking forward to Silksong!!
The reason the mask maker has spiral eye? He’s a spiral life form!
ttgl fan in a hollow knight video, that's cool
What are these “words” you speak of
Honestly it changed my life
*walks into hallownest
pale king: faces! faces for everyone!
I feel like the way they use focus it is meant to represent someone capable of though beyond just fallowing their basic instinct. I think it was mentioned somewhere (probably in the comic) that bugs outside of hallow nest are basically beasts that fallow their instinct and nothing more. However certain bugs (like the pale king or the godseeker) managed to evolve beyond this which also gave the the ability to influence others and force them to "level up" into the same state. There may be different ways to do this like the pale kings power or the godseekers masks but it seams to be something that happens every so often in this world (as we do have references to many other civilizations made by bugs). This just might be a great filter that exists in the Hollow Knight world. The great filters theory states that for life to exits and evolve it has to overcome certain obstacle and in this came it might be to create a kingdom that will not fall resulting in the bugs reverting back to their lower selves.
Either way what I wanna say is that focus can just refer to a beings ability to have complex thought. Like for instance a bug that by instinct wants to collect shit would suddenly be able to come up with ways to use it in order to kick someones ass.
Hey so what if the knight can read the higher beings tablet cuz he’s made of void, and wears a mask because void does not have a face, and therefore can’t focus, leading to the knight becoming the Shadelord, “Void given focus,” and tossing its mask away, since it now has focus and a face of its own
That was my thought process while watching this, but idk if you’ve already thought of it with your immense speculative brain
Actually yes! While making this video, I noticed something about the Mask Maker's dialogue. He says "A mask! A face! Does it need one? Does it not? To define. To focus. To exist."
What I just now noticed is the use of the word "it". Mask Maker might actually be asking these questions about the Knight itself, not just creatures in general. So maybe his dialogue here is alluding to how the Knight needs its shell to focus, but the Godmaster endings show the Knight having it's own focus without the shell.
Interesting speculation , but one that certainly raises some questions.
For one , if the knight could manifest into the Shadelord himself - what was the necessity to fight the Radiance in his standard vessel form in the first place? You point out that it was a result of him acquiring the prerequisite focus it takes to transcend to this form ; however what part of this process was catalyzed by fighting the Radiance (if at all) ?
Secondly , the Shadelord is apparent to be the "physical" manifestation of the raw , untamed force of the Void per say. Is it really possible for a vessel (or any creature) to embody the entity thus formed by itself? I am inclined to discard this assertion , since it would have wild implications as to the identity of the vessels themselves and the nature of Void besides many other significant aspects of the lore.
Furthermore , about @mossbag 's remark about the Mask Maker's dialogue : "A mask! A face! Does it need one? Does it not? To define. To focus. To exist."
...I am not certain if it is referring to the knight in any capacity particularly insinuating its status as some incarnation of Void , but rather the same statement would make perfect sense considering the Knight's being a vessel. The vessels were birthed/created with the singular purpose of warding off the radiance or incarcerating it within themselves. This singularity of existence would be tampered with , by the existence of an "identity" - yet at the same time a sense of identity would be absolutely essential to sustain a Focus to achieve its same very purpose of emerging victorious over the Radiance (?)
This does create a weird paradoxical situation in this regard. However yeah I would really like to acquire some second insight on this matter.
@@XeroErichsen Mossbag presented a theory in his video on Godseeker's lore that the Shadelord might have been somewhat created because of the Knight beating the pantheons, getting the godseeker's attention which might have led her to attune to the void or something.
Before that, the void has no mind, no shape, no ability to focus, hence the need to make a mask for the vessels.
But, when after ascending the whole Godhome, the Knight defeats the Absolute Radiance - becoming the God of Gods in the eye of the Godseeker - it gives Mind/Focus to the Void (as mentioned with the Shadelord statue) where it only had Form before that.
So it could still be a valid theory.
What makes me think the Godseeker might actually be the cause of the Shadelord ascension is the fact that we found her trapped in a coffin, which might imply that someone thought of her as a potential threat.
But your shade can still shoot fireballs, even without mask
8:41 My Theory is that the description “Void Given Focus”, is referring to the manifestation of the Shade Lord, through the *focus* of the Godseekers and Knight.
Oh, boy... Everyday I return to rewatch every single video of Moss-Bag again and again while silksong is not released (looking forward to 2047). I'm already about to became one of the grandmaster of Hollow Knight lore
This mans be uploading Hollow Knight theories years after it was released
0:55 Mossbag disliking his own video lol
The players are higher beings. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
But... why would they call us Higher Beings in this one instance and in every other instance, refer to godly beings?
@@milk_choc7889 yeah that never happens
“You might want to call these speculative”
Me: so Mat pat level, got it
Only better
This is better researched though
This is better
I love how close this video is to Norbert Elias ideas about civilation without any intention to be that way
Please remember to let the Ads play for mossdaddy.
A new mossbag video! Wonderful! Now I got something to rewatch like 12 times in two months while I wait for more.
FATHER I CARVE LORE EVEN THO YOU TALKED PRETTY MUCH ABOUT EVERYTHING IN HOLLOW KNIGHT ALREADY
I'd love to see a 20 minute theory about how zote is a liberal
I was just having marathon with your theories videos, so yeah this is just perfect
So now that anything from Hollow Knight can get a whole video...
Can we get a creepypasta about Bretta?
I think the statement about masks from Maskmaker was either figurative or just deranged ramblings brought on by isolation for prolonged amounts of time in Deepnest. Either way great video lowercase mossbag.
Drink everytime Mossbag says "soul" or "focus"
Why drink when we have *B* _A_ *T* _H_ *S* _A_ *L* _T_ *S*
No thanks, I choose life.
Holy f*ck I missed this type of video. Your beautiful voice explaining the lore of the game with the soundtrack from Hollow Knight. Just because of this video I am going back to your 30 - 40 min videos . I love Hollow Knight and Mossbag
God has returned to us
this da true first
Its 2AM where I live, but honestly it‘s never too late to watch mossbag
*”You see this? This means that the Pale King has reincarnated as a scribbled on kinder egg”*
-MatPat
i hate how criminally underated this video is just because people don't like READ.
He disliked his own "debunking Matt patt" video lol
mossbag:after reading these tutorial lore tablets, it honestly changed my life
what is this... A new video from mossbag? Honestly, it changed my life
The tablets light up when you get near them, so maybe the king wrote them for the vessels and other bugs cannot read them. Since the vessels have the natural ability to focus soul, and other bugs, like from the soul sanctum, are the ones who could only dream about these feats( as stated on the tablets)
Yeah but the vessels were never supposed to leave the abyss let alone leave and return to the kingdom from kings pass
Why would the King write anything for the Vessels? He never planned on ANY vessel (aside from the hollow knight) to ever escape the abyss. He sealed the gate so none can escape or enter. The King never meant for a vessel to ever freely roam Hallownest.
NAME THAT WORM MOSS IN MOSSY GROTTO MOSSBAG.
WE NEED THAT TO HAPPEN.
lore tablets more like gotta take these tablets with a glass of milk and a pinch of salt
also when is the video coming about the deep history of objectively the best charm in the game, heavy blow
Just had a crack idea
Open your eyes sheeple Zote was a knight that didn't get dipped in the void and was used as a coverup for the hollow knight, pretending like Zote was the hero so that all the bugs didn't see the pale king just yeeting his kids into the void for a plan that only might work.
YES IT'S BEEN SO LONG
I always interpreted Hallownest being the "only civilization" as a disdain from the Pale King to whatever other kingdoms might exist beyond, not an outright claim of being the only organized bugs