Control Console Analysis: A Brilliant Game But What's Up With Performance?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Control is a state-of-the-art videogame built around some amazing technology - but going into this one, we had to wonder... can the current-gen consoles cope with Remedy's ambitions? Well, in this video, John and Alex check out all console builds - and it's clear that this is a punishing game that taxes hardware to the limits.
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I guess Switch port is out of the question
Did you really give that a thought even?
Lol
Lol it was never even a question.
Maybe in 144p
Guess we're not finished with port begging of the most demanding games at 540p on switch. Next up, Cyberpunk
I've seen countless reviews on YT and hardly any of the reviewers touched on how bad the performance actually is in this game. Hats off to DF. What would we do without you guys.
Remove Cinematic Blur and voilà
Typical example of what happens when upgraded hardware models are released. Developers target the higher spec and only nominally make the game run on the base model.
It's like the "Minimum Specs" for PC games.
This screams to me a game that was designed with next gen in mind. Like, I expect when you plug this into PS5 it will automatically run at a higher resolution, with raytracing, better performance, and fast load times.
Putting this to the test on my Series X today. Gutted to see it's set at 30FPS on One X ? ;0; Will still try it though. Doubt I'll play it much unless they patch to 60FPS. It's nearly 2021.... I have a Series X and it's not to play at 30FPS...
@@fwabble 30FPS LOL This is why I will never buy a console.
@@fwabble you can switch to performance mode for 60fps but you lose resolution
@@AndyGilleand such a gorgeous game. I'm stuck on one s😭
@@AndyGilleand WTH.... I looked for any options but cannot see ANY ? Just looked again I cannot see ANYTHING ANYWHERE!!! I have Brightness, Motion Blur and Film Grain. And 'Reset to Defaults' absolutely nothing else.
What a world we live in where a game has to drop to 10 fps before it's considered "borderline unplayable". Any drops below 30 should not be tolerated and Microsoft and Sony should not have allowed this to release. What the hell are console certification processes for if they let ridiculous performance problems like this through?
I agree. I was looking forward to this when I caught wind of it. I love the whole meme horror genre, after seeing this, even with a ps4 pro, I'm apprehensive.
"What the hell are console certification processes for..." Only to confirm that the game runs at all and doesn't do something really bad... but really, to make more money on top of the licensing.
I would consider less than. 24 fps unplayable
@@MetelAdict What the hell is the "meme horror genre"?
16:36 ... during these moments the game is pretty hard to...
CONTROL. 🌛
Puts on glasses ........................... YEAHHHHHHH!
I don't believe Remedy didn't encounter this frames drop on their test!
Is call rushing a product in the name of greed. Reason as to why I wont be joining next generation of consoles. Sick and tired of massive patches, DLC, microtransactions and half ass produced games.
@@shazmanbound1496 thats why you should just get a pc I had no clue this game had issues until I saw this console reviews
You're naive if you think they did a test.
Sound like cyber punk lol
This is why I love this channel. I like how they break down stuff like this in games!
JUST LEAKED:
"The game will have two sequels named Alt and Delete!"
2003 called, they want their puns back.
@@CragScrambler Ba dum tssss...
And a spin-off: Loss
Best comment!
In THIS CASE ""CONTROL ALT DELETE""
😂😂😂😂
My god this is bad. I think this generation established that if you choose to target 30fps over 60fps it at least should be rock solid.
I can forgive one or two dropped frames here and there. But drops this low make it unplayable
@Atlas 51232 calm down edgelord
I think it's a CPU Problem and most computers in the past few years do meet the minimum for it, however the CPUs in the Consoles are fairly weaker than most others, I daresay that the Tegra in the Switch's CPU is similar if a tiny bit better at computing stuff than the Jaguar CPU in the PS4 and Xbox One S
Alovon but isn't the CPU largely the same in the pro and X while the GPU's got a boost?
@@Taijifufu yeah, but the CPU in the Pro-Consoles have a Overclock, also the stronger GPU does help increase Frame Rate Overall
@@Alovon In the video they said they believe its a GPU memory problem not CPU given how long the frame rates hold in base systems even when action is not heavy anymore. One X i would bet its CPU related given how fast it bounces back to 30.
They didn't even show the off the full extent of the slow down on base PS4. Almost every battle when particle effects go absolutely insane the game turns into a slide show. It was bad enough that in the atrium level the game actually froze while facing 3 bad guys for about 8 seconds, and when it resumed the bad guys were completely gone. My theory is that when it overloaded it despawned the bad guys just so that the game could resume.
And slowdowns are common, even through the early game. Any attack that throws massive amounts of particles *cough*grenadedudes*cough* turns the game into a powerpoint presentation.
The oddest part is even though my console is pretty old and usually I can tell when a game is processor intensive when the machine itself chugs and makes lots of noise it's damn near silent for this game. Just makes me think something fucky is going on.
Damn, I want to play this game so bad but I know I don't want to deal with what you described. That sounds unplayable.
J Sun Gonna wait until it goes on sale and updates to fix problems.
Does it happen frequently on PS4 or is only once in awhile?
@@Canadian_duck31 Regularly. The freeze and despawn has only happened to me that one time, but performance is just poor across the board. However, my tolerance for bad frame rates must be pretty high since I was able to play through the entire game relatively unscathed. The combat favors strategy and positioning over intense twitch aiming, so if you treat it like a turn based strategy game you should be just fine.
I'm glad my comment has been helpful to some people, looking back I can hardly make sense of my own writing.
Yea your full of shit. How dare you say anything negative about PlayStation? If your not talking about PlayStation in a positive light then it's just proof that your full of shit.
How did they think this is okay to release in this state??? Surely they had to play it on all platforms before release. Did they not even test it on base consoles?
Most likely they don't have a choice. Either downgrade, which probably ruin their artistic designs. Other option is they delay the release until next gen, which is bad because that's mean no income.
@@UltimateAlgorithm In this case - fuck their artistic design. People are paying their hard earned money to play this, it should be playable above all.
I'm playing through it right now on ps4. The framerate is so damn bad. I didn't pay for it thankfully. I'm using a PS Now free trial.
@Da Sz That is very inconvenient. Besides, he didn't pay any dime to play it on PSNow.
lol holy shit the base console performances are completely unacceptable
You're right.
mellow magic It’s also one of the only games willing to do things that will straight up melt processors. Considering how old the base hardware is, I don’t really find it all that surprising.
What do you expect for hardware that's nearly six years old?
even the pro versions are pretty poor
@@SurrenderLemon really. Who the fuck is still gaming on the PS4 and Xbox s. Those consoles were a joke spec wise when they launched.
whoaaaaa ps4 dropping 11fps
Yeah, but look at Xbox...paused frames!
10 fps
Horrific.
current console cant handle this game even my 1060gtx 6gb will choke
@@smokeinc9800 mine doesn't, 1650 4gb
I'm playing on my OG Xbox One (2013) and the game really has a weird behavior. Thank you guys for pointing that video freezing bug at 21:33. When it happened to me, I was shocked that they released the game with that kind of issue. In-game performance issues are (unfortunately) common when a game launches, but things like me map / and pause screen stutters are bizarre. I hope Remedy address this ASAP. I'm such a fan of their work and it's sad that it was launched at that state. BTW, great job, guys! DF never disappoints!
I love this game but the performance is the worst i’ve ever seen on my ps4
jesuisunomelette is it really that bad? Now I’m worried to buy it
It really is. I love the gameplay but it isn’t worth my money in this current state. I wish I never bought it tbh...
@@Kitty_Sullivan just watch the review I mean that is some of the worst performance I've seen on a current gen console (that isn't switch)
Peter Eldredge that’s a damn shame. Maybe they’ll patch it soon. I’m excited for this game. It reminds me of how Beyond two souls played and I loooved that game!
@@Kitty_Sullivan get it on pc and you can turn it down to potato if u want.
I thought the "director" projection was a really nice effect :)
16:35 The game was hard to ... Control
It won't be the last intentional or unintentional pun with this game, that's for sure!
The puns will be out of Control...literally.
You forgot to put on your sunglasses. 😎
@@Taijifufu "GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!"
Wait... John, you can't show what you show and then conclude that the game is "solid enough on consoles" or "it's good on consoles". It's unplayable on two of the four and has issues on the other two. Careful with your phrasing there, friend.
What four consoles are you talking about?
@@renatoramos8834 xbox one x, xbox one s, ps4 pro and ps4.
@@KilluaZoldyck-ij6lt ps4 pro and xbox one x aren't consoles, they're hardware revisions of ps4 and xbox one.
@@renatoramos8834 lol I know that. you asked which four consoles they were talking about. That's your answer. I guess everyone calls the Pro and One X consoles but you.
@@KilluaZoldyck-ij6lt It was a rethorical question. I knew the idiot was refering to those hardware revisions as consoles.
This looks like one of those games that's really gonna come into its own when it's remastered for the next gen platforms - on PS5 and XB2 it's likely to get the raytracing tech from the PC version, and they should be able to swing non-reconstructed 4K at 30 fps, or even 1440p at 60 fps.
I doubt it would run at that resolution with those frame rates with raytracing in the same way rtx does right now.
Maybe, just maybe at 720p60 1080p30...
At least, taking into consideration the total package costs about $500,-
Your expectations might however come through at like $1000,- +
Yeah those goals are probably a bit lofty considering we don't even know what AMD has in the works in the way of ray tracing and how well high end PC's perform right now.
UPDATE: PS4 PRO will receive a hot fix by the end of the week, they will lower the base resolution to 720P in order to keep the 30fps lock.
Seriously??? lol Guess thats the only way this game will be playable on the PS4 Semi-Pro.
Honestly I would be livid if I bought this for console and experienced this kind of performance. That is atrocious!
It's not amazing on PC either.
Lol
You cant be selling a game like that come on
@Atlas 51232 are you just taking a guess or what, i dont have, nor want control and my hardware has nothing to do with what i said. Relax, dont wet your knickers
@Atlas 51232 The problem is in your brain.
Consoles are able to run RDR2 in stable 30fps, not like this shit from Remedy.
@Atlas 51232 Even if the hardware couldnt handle it they shouldnt have the right to release it lol.
Press X to Start the atlas fella is a pc elitist, he pops up in every console related comment. For some reason he can’t respect people’s choice of platform.
@Atlas 51232 the problem are the devs. There are plenty of games on ps4 that can prove this. When devs are monkeys the hardware are nothing to do.
No wonder most of the game footage before release was on PC. Rip
The performance is horrible on PC too. Thats why they ran the game only at 1080p even though they were using the most powerful graphics card in the market.
@@SupeRobot82 no, the game runs perfectly fine at 1440p at high settings on gtx 1080, no issues what so ever, it's even possible to play at 60fps if you drop some of the setting to medium, at 1080p tho all maxed out at 70-80 no problem.
@@SupeRobot82 i mean im running the game maxed out with a 2080 ti at 1440p and i average 80 fps. its not that terrible
nepnep well yeah when you pay for a used car to play video games I’d hope it could pull 70 FPS at 1440p.
@@SupeRobot82 I think that your CPU may be old, as it should run fine on most GPUs at 1080p.
The main Bottlenecker in this game seems to be CPU ussage
Most of the time I agree with y'all's assessment but falling into the low teens disqualifies a game from being called "good" on a platform IMO. This is an avoid on base PS4/Xbox One.
@Atlas 51232 That...doesn't really invalidate what I'm saying. Outdated or not, the DF guys described the performance on console as "good" and it's not good, and especially not on the base systems. PS4Pro and Xbox One X are ... playable at best.
Christopher Bohling it doesn’t even run that well on the Pro
@Atlas 51232 PS4 Pro isn't much better. Its hw specs are also outdated for games like this one (with lot of effects, particles, environment destruction). Even on XOX fps drops a little below 30 when there's a lot of in-game action. This is a game that should be played on next-gen consoles (when they come out).
@@Tvv1SteR it's not the specs. Even on PC this game has relatively bad performance. Even a 2080ti can't lock it at 60fps
when you got to base ps4 i could barely watch the video, can't even imagine playing it. its a damn shame cause the game looks great and the total lack of marketing makes me think its gonna flop, but there's no way in hell im buying this at full price when it runs so bad.
I wonder why Sonytal Fraudy doesn't put enphasis on Resolution anymore? Didn't they zoomed in 1000% on Quantum Break to find the base resolution?
Now that Remedy is making multiplats all of a sudden they love Remedy. Lol
1. XB1X
2. Pro
3. XB1S
4.PS4
After seeing the destruction in this game I was thinking how "ironic" it would be if WB contracted Remedy to make a Matrix game haha
Technically it would be the closest to getting a new Remedy Max Payne game we would get haha
This is an amazing idea
Remedy is working on fixes for the consoles. Should have a patch by "Mid or late September". Should have been fixed before release but hopefully it'll improve performance.
If you love Control, you absolutely need to try Prey (2017)!
Quantum Break runs better than Control .
@Android Mango agree on sooo many levels! Environmental storytelling is absolutely excellent!
16:38 "the game is hard to control" lol
27:26 "Thanks for joining me R-Alex!"
"Intrusive R" google that, it is a pretty interesting linguistic phenomen.
@@janAkaliKilo thanks for that !!
I love literally everything about this game, but its performance on my base PS4 is atrocious. There were so many frame rate drops and pop-ins, it's mind boggling. This is completely unacceptable for a single player game in 2019.
This isn’t a console game unless it’s on the next gen, and on next gen, it’s only tolerable. On PC, this game is where it’s at.
I'll never go back to 30-20 fps gameplay!! These next-gen consoles need to come out NOW!!!!
Unfortunately next gen will probably be 30fps again thanks to the ray tracing meme.
cookieface80 on the specs both consoles are rumoured to get, we’ll most definitely get a 60fps option for any and every game. There rumoured to have around 2060-2070’s horsepower which are more than enough for 60 FPS on anything under native 4K
@@rolan5948 But if the games are rendered at native 4k and outputting to 1080p is just a downscale? Then the games will run like shit, and there's a possibility this will happen just so that they can advertise native 4k on the box.
@@cookieface80 Are ok? Downscaling anything puts less stress on the GPU to make it run BETTER so how can it run like shit? Devs also optimize games for consoles first and better so hitting 60 fps for pretty much any game on the damn console is doable and there is no excuse. I'm confused on why you think the games will run like shit?
Have to admit playing Rage 2 on Xbox one X even though it is only 1080p it is amazing at 60 fps for a console version.
Just a reminder how bad these Jaguar CPU cores are, my old ass 2500K is still pushing 47-65FPS on this.
X1X looks unbelievable
It truly does. I was very impressed by the resolution and the stability on the the X.
Remember when they were selling the base consoles as 4K capable and games would run 1080p 60fps no problem? Now the new generation is being teased as 8K capable LOL. Let's get 1080p done right first...
Yup. Definitely time for next gen
So we finally get the destruction effects back that where already seen back in ps2 era with Black, Nice! I actually liked that feature a lot.
Get back? They have been there in the Battlefield franchise since last gen.
Remember Red Faction 1 and 2?
@@OscarLopezCe Hardly... On the surface it might look like it, but they fell just a little short.
Especially concerning walls and such.
It's okay though, devs have developed more towards eye candy when it comes to details instead of destruction & physics.
Hopefully the next gen can put something out with a cpu that can perform in that department.
"Good on Consoles", but having combat drop to 13fps on base units, doesn't sound like I'm listening to the same analysis.
Looking forward to when the PC analysis comes :D
Especially the DLSS portion versus running at a lower resolution
DLSS is bad, Nvidia just copy AMD sharpening feature which is proven to less demanding than DLSS and looks better. you can check out hardware unboxed look into this for both amd/nvidia.
@@BrotherO4 Yup, that's why I look forward to seeing how it looks. So far I've only seen examples of DLSS in this game at 4k and I haven't seen it compared to a lower resolution.
BrotherO4 pff I saw that. It never went into detail about anything that DLSS does besides jaggies. Check out the DF video about Anthem for a more comprehensive breakdown of DLSS.
@@Taijifufu the test is how good it looks to the viewer. which DLSS lost in vs both amd/nvidia new style. since everyone will have those two things. i say use the better option.
This feels like it should be a next-gen game to be honest
Lavos YT no, this doesn’t look next gen at all, it’s just poorly optimized. And the fact that ps4 version is worse than base xbox tells a pretty clear story. Dont buy this game at a full price. I would not even buy it for xbox one x. I mean 30 fps 1440p with those dips in performance? Give me a break. And the funny thing is that there is not even much asset difference between original xbox and xbox one x.
@@cool3500 exactly why it should be next gen, all the effects and quick combat drop the frames. A next gen console could handle it
is solid enough on console? 14fps is good on console? no, it's not it's horrible, I was looking forward to play this game but i can't stand it halving the fps in a firefight. how is this good?
Lol you must have a ps4 LOL LOL LOL
@@drumm394 aaaand you must be a kid.
@@davide.russoo_ aaaaaaaaaannnnnndd you must be on poorstation also
@@drumm394 No.
I got a pc with RTX 2060S, deal with it.
I also have ps4, 'cause I'm not stupid and I like to play also ps4 exclusive games.
Ya idk man most likely they didn’t have a choice as the physics in this game are insane like the rocks breaking and moving each piece and the particles omg fukin crazy. And the ps4 is 5-6 years old idk man potato PCs exist and it needs upgrades so maybe ps4 needs upgrade as wel.
We can all agree this game was not design for consoles
Yet it was sold for consoles. People paid money for it. They should get a competent product.
@@joesterling4299
Sold on or not it wasn't designed for this current gen to say the least
@@ricechido1089 Performance is bad on PC too. So it's not like this game has the right to be this bad. It's just poorly optimized.
@@benfrese3573 That's my thought too. Thing is it just doesn't look good enough to justify itself. They may be using expensive effects and rendering techniques, but I think the lighting in general, with all that thick gritty fog, just sucks. "Stark" is a charitable way of putting it, in the video. This is a technical disappointment for me.
@@joesterling4299 Exactly. And it doesn't get much better when turning things down. Framerate dips in many scenes without me understanding why. Feels like VRAM is full while I have at least 3GB free. Due to the fact this is a problem on many systems there's no doubt they fucked up the optimization. Maybe a patch will make things better.
Lichdom battlemage: I am the worst performing game on consoles
Control: hold my beer
Considering Lichdom got fixed months ago, your comment is obsolete
Poor optimization, nothing else. There are better looking games which run far better on the base consoles.
dont agree it really good i3 1050 but of course reflactio setting medium.
Yeah
No doubt a bit of that but the level of destructive environment in this game is nothing I've seen before and there's a lot of particle effects. The levels are totally destroyed after a combat. For that reason CPU seems to be a big thing for this game and the consoles in general are really poor in that department.
@@tissot233 dude ever seen seen infamous second son on the PS4? Killzone shadowfall on the PS4? Deus ex mankind divided on the PS4? Battlefield 4/1/5 on the PS4? The order 1886 on the PS4? I can go forever. My point is that there is absolutely no point in needlessly criticising the PS4 as the PlayStation will ALWAYS BE AHEAD OF PC IN GAMING, even though it may lag behind the same when it comes to hardware and raw power.
@@kenway346 Huh? What an earth are you about? I couldn't care less about this console vs PC stuff. I enjoy both.
Chill my friend. Nobody is attacking against your favorite console.
Xbox one s-720p
Ps4-900p
Ps4 pro-1080p
Xbox one x 1440p
The game has the optimization of Ark:Survival
Remember the days when games had slightly different versions to accommodate performance on different consoles? Splinter Cell Chaos Theory for example.
Except SC performed horribly when not on Xbox, specifically all of the PS versions had trash frames even with the other changes.
Thanks for joining me Ri- ALEX!
I’m playing on One X, and frame-rate is flatlining as soon as there’s a lot of action on screen.
Anything more than three enemies at a time, and it’s stuttering constantly.
Additionally, literally every time I load ally save, or use a control point for any purpose, there’s significant stutter upon re-entering the game.
I don’t know why, but I can always tell if John is going to be hosting the video based on the title haha.
Regardless, I love all the stuff on DF! Keep it up guys!
Do you have any idea why my game sometimes has a pop up message about something about video something 🤔 and then freez's, and then stops my game. Please help me. I'm playing control on Xbox One s.
Again please help me with the issue asap.
On ps4 ( base ) I drop it to about 10 frames sometimes. It hit me hard when I did the random pop up missions and it took me to a small room with alot of destruction. when the action picked up with about 5 different enemy types I could bare even move ..... but I still love this game haha
I think it comes down to the weak CPU's across all 4 consoles. The enhanced consoles have higher clocks, but these CPU's were unimpressive at launch, almost 6 years back. Games with heavy use of physics will always run poor on these systems. Even Goat Simulator becomes a slideshow when the heavy use of physics really stress the cpu.
As someone mentioned, it's the CPU the culprit here. Notice how the slow downs happens when there's a lot of stuff flying around and getting blown up. It can't handle the physics of this game. The next gen will launch with much more powerful CPUs compared to this gen at launch. Hopefully this kind of situation won't be a problem. At least not until the very end of the generation.
The real problem is the rushed unstable game not the consoles cause let's face it people pay money to play their games on console at playable 30fps and since they can't be upgraded the game companies who charge consoles 10$ more than PC should keep in mind to meet that standard or gtfo. Look at Rockstar they released RDR 2 across all platforms at a stable 30fps with the best visuals on any open world game but unlike Remedy they didn't rush their product
No mention of the slow loading textures especially on posters and signs? This was an issue with quantum break as well. Exiting the pause menu creating fps issues is so weird. I hope they patch these stuff
Sadly this seems to be an issue with most console games this past year. They're really pushing them old cpu's to the limit.
@The Indie Diary happens on pc too, entering menus causes slight pauses and lag. Running on an nvme ssd, 3900x, 2080ti with 32gb ram.
@@JoeyKray Just as Atlas 51232
said, i also don't have that issue at all and i'm running the game from a 7200rpm HDD on a 980ti + an i5 from generations ago;
Surprisingly, the loading times are also really good;
@@JoeyKray Does happen to me too on pausing. But not with loading textures and loading screen though. It's pretty quick actually and that is with a 7200 RPM HDD. I'm pretty sure with a SSD it's even gonna be more faster.
The pause is just a rendering issue and no big deal having to wait a few seconds for it to come right. There is nothing difficult about the combat in this game unfortunately as before too long you are just too overpowered anyway. It's a good game but it's no Alan Wake overall. That just had much better atmosphere and for the time much just looked better visually.
I've only see the low res texture loading once or twice in hours of play on Xbox one X and it was only a picture on a wall and a sign that did it.
I am more concerned at the lack of quality of the main character model when it comes to hair for instance. We had much better hair with tress FX back on original Tombraider reboot than this.
I really like the grainy look of Quantum Break and Control.
I didn't have much problem on the X.
It looks good on my xbox one x, I was standoffish at first but I took a chance on it, and I was completely happy with how it looks and plays.
Good God, I'm glad I didn't get this for my PS4. I'm running it on an i5 4460 & RX 480 4GB and it's working pretty darn well at mostly high settings at 1080P. It does drop below 60 at times, but luckily I have a Freesync monitor which really comes in handy & makes me not notice the dips as much. Though, I will say, when there's big explosions and all, I do notice. And it also really heats up my graphics card, hitting the high 80s Celsius.
I'm surprised it runs on an ancient i5.
@@chase7974 Why? Intel have been refreshing the same 2015 Skylake architecture for over 3 generations. OK, so the 4460 is Haswell; but it just isn't that much more ancient than the current architecture.
@@joesterling4299 I had an i5-4460 in my old PC. It would struggle in newer game's. You really need at least a 6 core CPU to have a good experience.
I upgraded to a Ryzen around 2018. For 1080p 60fps it's a beast.
Chase Whittemore I found the 4460 suitable for my needs back then when I bought it, and it still handles what I use it for graciously. I know it’s not much, but I’m still pleasantly surprised how fast my system still is - relative to what I use it for, of course. I might upgrade when 8c/16t with good IPC can be bought at a better price, and even though I’ve been recently thinking of upgrading just now, it’s not financially wise to do so when what I have now hasn’t caused me any issue in years. I think it’s terrific that a €200 CPU from 2014 is still really not as awful as I’d have thought. Seriously, it’s been a damn good 5 years with it. I know it’s odd to be proud of an inanimate object, but I really like this CPU and I still trust it, even if it’s starting to show its age.
Game is perfectly playable on PS4-Pro.
Yes, there's HUGE FPS drops when an explosion goes off right in your face, but just think of it as cinematic slowdown, enjoy the BOOM, then continue playing :)
If you're a sonytard yes. If you're a smart person you buy it on Xbox One X.
@Transistor Jump Come on, man. Don't call him a kid, that's not cool or accurate.
He's clearly still a fetus.
Xbox One X running this at 1440p is INSANELY impressive. Even my GTX 1070 PC struggles at 1080p
I am going to buy this game for my X but I wish it would be lower resolution with a more stable framerate. Although it seems to have the least problems with framerate, it still struggles and has some nasty framedrops.
and ? but when its aiming at 30fps its hardly "insanely impressive"
30fps is not impressive! Stop the peasantry.
@Atlas 51232 that's struggling. For example, on my GTX 1070 PC, Far Cry 5 reaches 90-120 fps at max settings, The Witcher 3 reaches 80-90fps with max settings and HD Reworked mod and Shadow of the Tomb Raider hovers around 80fps. 50-55fps is struggling. The GTX 1070 used to be a 1440p card, now it isn't even a 1080p 60fps card anymore.
@Ioannis Stf 1440p with small drop is still better than 1080p with even more small drops on the Pro. 👍
remedy overrated sure they make great games but the optimisation is poor Even with console.if ea made this game it would of being class as a trash fest and would of had bad reviews. Because its remedy they get a pass. It stupid ppl be honest
oddly ea make the best game ins this genre dead space 1. if the rtx was on that game ı shit on me lol. when ea try to make pupet3d fifa remedy make max payne. the game so honered after half life best hit. thats why they res and max is devlperp face you cant get wrong with that lol. imagine cratos or finfal fanstasy cloud is dev face lol can you say no.
Looks completely unplayable on PS4, you guys are being way too nice.
Modern shooter without pointers, yellow dots etc. Excellent,Definitely buying on first price drop,hope they will fix this...
remember when MS and Sony said that the enhanced consoles would NOT impact games played on the base systems and that games would be made with the base systems in mind
@Atlas 51232 no i mean base system as that's what they are bloody called, the "previous" systems were the PS3 and the 360
Jeez, this was looking really cool until you got to performance. I'm not really a snob when it comes to games dropping frames here and there, but this is totally unacceptable and ridiculous.
No real issues on Xbox one X. I've had slow down twice in maybe 5 hours so far. One time it was really bad but it was only when the whole screen was exploding with particles everywhere. There is so much destruction and particles and lighting in this game that it is no wonder consoles struggle. You need a really decent PC for this title really or wait until they patch it for next gen hardware for console if it really bothers you. It's good on PS4 Pro as well though from what people are telling me. Just the base consoles are really struggling.
What about Pro on 1080p tv??Without supersampling mode.I'm playing it this way and it is very stable.Your thoughts DF?
Yeah I'm curious about this too.
how can it supersample is the base output of ps4 pro is also 1080p?
@@Parental92 Maybe without the reconstruction to 4K performance might improve a little? It's possible.
It should be the same since they said the ps4 pro is only doing a 4k HUD but the game is itself is still running at 1080p. The HUD is rendered in 2D it shouldn't have much of an impact on its FPS in a meaningful way :/
I literally beat Quantum Break a few minutes ago.. I had always wanted to play it, bought it about 6 months ago, picked it back up a few days ago and played the last 1/4 through completion..
I actually liked that game.. People seemed to hate the live-action videos spread throughout, but I enjoyed it, like taking a movie break between playing the game, but still following the same story.
I'm with you brother, QB is a severely underrated game, the gameplay is really good, if of course you're not playing it as a cover base shooter, which the game isn't.
The story is also pretty great, the TV show is leaps and bounds above what i was expecting.
This should have been a PC only release at this point, then in the next gen consoles in a year. Remedy used to be one of my favourite developers but releasing Control on consoles in the POS state it is in...... Like wtf were they thinking.... After this I will always second guess what the do. Sad.
This game, even though it runs like shit on consoles, has more ambitious destruction physics than the final version of Crackdown 3 does.
@Anonymous226 true lmao
Yet another masterpiece from one of the greatest developers in existence. Loving this game and super excited to see the possibilities it brings for Alan Wake and/or Quantum Break sequels.
Alan Wake is confirmed to be set in the same universe as Control. There's a document you can find in game confirming it
@@Kiseki_Fan2k24 that's pretty dope.
If you dont have a top tier rig, good luck with this game. It suffers memory leak, frame drops, and massive texture pop-in. I admittedly have a mid tier rig with Ryzen 5 CPU and it just can not run this game well. Whats odd is that the performance doesn't change even if dropping from Ultra settings down to LOW settings. It all just stays the same. I feel like i am playing a demo for a high performance gaming rig and my mid tier PC just chokes on it.
This is one of THE most impressive games on current-gen, and it can really only be appreciated in action. The destructibility is amazing. The effects work is incredible. Some frame rate hiccups on PS4 didn't hinder my enjoyment. It's one of the few games that gave me that "Half-Life 2" feeling - a feeling of connectedness to the game world. A new level of interaction, driven by physics systems. And it's just deliciously weird.
It's incredibly arrogant and shameful to release a game this bad on console with a $60 price tag.
Well they're arrogant enough to sell their souls to Epic, should be no surprise.
Indeed if the game is not ready for the consoles then postpone it until it is. Good thing i didn't pre ordered this game cause i wasn't sure it reminds me of quantum break with a female protagonist too much
@@RaouTV why pre order at all
@@cookieface80 they seliing max to overrated rockstar and movie rights to ass Hollywood was huge mistake but the epic is good choice in steam ass gamers not buy this game bcouse game cracked and they dont like thirdperson you know valve lovers fps guys. rigt now the money come from epic and nvida revive them until next game which everyone demand after this game now.
Much appreciated DF - I'm looking forward to this game but will leave it now until things have been patched-up and improved.
Nice analysis. But how can you end with it's 'good on consoles' when both base machines (which the majority of people have) run the game so poorly?
@Atlas 51232 I have a Pro, but most people don't.
Super happy that I'm playing this game on PC. Amazing game and on my pc setup it runs flawlessly.
Having a great time with this on the X, didn't even think about using melee on the glass office walls, doh!
Been playing this since it came out yesterday here in the uk, and in my original PS4 i have areas towards the end of the game . (no spoilers) that literally clogs up the system that it frezzes and few moments later mid battle maybe 2-7 seconds before the frame rate goes up to a playable rate. Its definitely in the low 10-5 FPS throughout all battles towards the end. As a great game this was that had to be the worst performance out of all the hundreds of games ive played since the ps4 launched. Its terrible especailly when you die ALL the time due to this and your sent way back in the game which becomes so frustrating over and over and over again, Im really glad this has been highlighted by DF because this is basically ALPHA in its fit and finish performance wise but boy what a beautiful visuals.
It has to be one of them but not the worst don't forget the worst is still lichdom battlemage. XD
Welcome to poor optimisation on console. Sucks it’s like this. For once this game on pc runs perfectly . . . without RTX that is. Turning RTX tanks performance by about -15fps. Ubisoft games like Wildlands, WD2 and AC Odyssey is horribly optimised on pc granted it’s not as bad as 10fps. Current gen console hardware are showing its age I think as well. Time for next gen to come out.
Edit: If you think visuals looks good on console, you haven’t seen RTX on pc 😁
It does not run on PC well at all either. With a GTX 980 ti and R5 1600 3.9 I can get 60 fps a lot of the time with medium settings. The problem with the game engine is that when dips happen that drop the rate below like 50 fps the engine cuts the game to 30. The problem is with volumetric fog in the game when it is interacting with light. There is no setting to turn off the fog and it is the culprit. Also you can't turn off motion blur in game either although that setting doesn't mess with the frame rate much.
@@TheColemancreek That is not the engine, that means your at double buffered 50hz vsync or something similar.
I run max 2xmssaa allways above 40 fps at 1080 Ti 1440p native.
The game just is ahead of it's time visually.
Let's please just face that instead of shouting things down because "i give 500 euro's to vidcard 5 years ago, now its not run 60 fpzrz anymore" is just stupid.
@@oropher1234 It's the game engine. I have a 75 hz monitor OCed to 80... used Nvidia Inspector to manually set the frame rate to 60 and it still drops to 30 when going under 50 fps.. if I run without Vsync there is terrible screen tearing. Lots of people with 2080 ti's aren't able to get a stable 60 fps at 4k without RTS features... No need to be a smart ass about what card I have..you sound like you live in mom's basement.
With RTX, on my 2070 Super, it tanks HARD in the FPS departement. Staying on SSR is honestly not a bad choice since the reflections system is soooo good (and you get 60+fps).
It was a waste of money buying current RTX cards. Would have been far better to wait for the new consoles to be released and then buy that PC ray tracing card that comes along after that. You just overpaid for less than impressive hardware even with a 2080ti which can't keep 4k 60 maxed out in this game even after spending all that money on one.
I've installed this game on my SSD - Xbox One X Version... I'm ok with that, it's a good port (confirmed here), but, still, the "menu slowdown" happens even there - however, the bug vanish quicker. Good video, DF. Thanks.
Who the hell would play game like this on a console? That's madness.
Optimization is bad on PC too. Running at 50fps, 1440p with a fucking TX 1080Ti card. Atrocious.
10fps... " i highly recommend game its solid for consoles" pick one of the two plz
I know right, they should've used lower settings for the base PS4 and Xbox One, heck, even at low settings the game looks good, I dont care about how worse it would look, I just want the frame rate to be more stable
@@lancebermejo3319 I want 60fps lol
@@seanthegeetarplayerlive5246 I want a toilet made out of solid gold
I don't know if you somehow just saw the end instead of the whole video, but he clearly recommends PC as the way to go or playing on Xbox One X if you have to play on console.
@@lirfrank clearly i did ... of course they recommend PC over a console. But in the end, they stated well on the console or solid ...
I’m playing on base PS4 and man is it rough in the really combat-heavy areas. Hopefully they can patch it to improve performance because there’s no reason this shouldn’t be at least a solid 30fps on all consoles.
New drinking game, drink a shot every time Alex says “yeah”, bet you can’t make the end of the video.
I took a shot of Crystal Head Vodka when one of them unironically said "very cool".
"Gulp"
I really would love hdr support on this game.
The Xbox One X version was originally announced with HDR support. I'm not sure what happened. Those blinding whites and vibrant reds though are BEGGING for High Dynamic Range. :(
@@retropulse03 exactly, this game would look super good with proper HDR. I am kinda holding back in Hope's of a patch, I played for about 4 hours, I have been taking my time reading everything I pick up. I am definitely looking forward to DLC on this game.
This! I was crushed they didn't support HDR in the final game.
Hopefully they can add it in a performance patch
As HDR can affect performance, presumably they took it out when they knew the game was not going f to run well.
Thank god I'm playing this on a beefy PC, base console performance in particular is atrocious. Commiserations for anyone trying to play it like that.
There's been a new patch addressing the performance and other issues. Will you please make a follow up video?
Apparently on base consoles it isn't much better
Runs like a dream at 60fps on the PS5 now though!
Waiting for this to go on sale. I love Remedy but this along with them giving PS4 some extra mission(s) kinda turns me off.
tCruzin4Lyfe I think they are time exclusives although they didn’t say when it would come to other platforms. I do agree it’s stupid they did that.
Interested in getting this game for my PS4 Pro but I will wait for possible future patches.
Aye.
Research how cheap & useful an external Samsung SSD is.
All next gen consoles will have them as standard.
Bought a 500G one just for problem games like Days Gone, difference is like night & day.
@@Ytnzy250 How does it affect loading times ? I have just started playing Days Gone. Loading times are generally not that high (compared to Metro Exodus which takes ages to load). Is it noticeable difference ?
@@ThePerbin
Maybe 5 or 6 seconds but over time they add up.
Easy to install as it just slots into the USB socket, i'm pleased with mine.
Games now a days... when i was a kid i remember my 4 yr old mind being blown when my father showed me some of his atari games. I grew up in snes/n64 era, but thats one of the 1st memories i have. In just 20 yrs weve gone from sprites/super rough polygons that are either unshaded and flat, or just colored/hardly textured to this. And every yr the bar gets set higher and higher.
How much of this is fixable via patch and how much of this is simply being unrealistic and asking too much of the base hardware? The extreme particle effects and the amount of physics computation look quite taxing on even top-end hardware.
If Rockstar pulled off an Open World Marvel with RDR 2 both visually and technically stable game so can Remedy but the difference is Rockstar never releases a game that isn't ready unlike many other companies and the game runs wonderfully on every platform and that my friend is how you make a game if the hardware is not good enough for it then lower the resolution or lower the visuals or both to reach that stable 30fps
Cedric Johnny you're comparing apples and oranges. This game has a _lot_ more consistent physics and particle effects than that game and those types of effects are specifically harder on the CPU.
@@Taijifufu then Remedy should've thought about it before releasing it for consoles
@@RaouTV Yeah RDR2 is not that visually impressive. You can see the trade-offs around every corner. Low quality trees, water, hair, and every cliff you encounter is two polygons. Many undetailed areas indeed.
@@Thornskade on the base PS4 it's incredibly visually impressive. and the fact that the frame rate is relatively steady throughout the entire game blew my f****** mind.
Unacceptable frame rates on base consoles. This is the situation that we all feared. Devs optimizing for mid gen/refresh consoles and leaving the larger consumer base to battle through 20fps or less framerate.
Its a shame, as I was looking forward to this game.
I don’t have a PC capable of running it at a high frame rate either as the PC version has some issues as well.
Very GPU bound game.
Anyways, back to the point, it’s unacceptable. I wish DF reps flat out said that instead of giving the impression that its passable on consoles. But i know how these industries work and relationships matter
I didnt mean that specific comment as a negative. Just as a general comment. GPU bound games tend to look great.
Im just disappointed about the performance. IMO feet need to be held to the fire.
Once again, unacceptable by Remedy on the base consoles.
18 fps on ps4 pro 😂🤣
on PC if you use the Sharpen option in the Nvidia Game Filter settings, it dramatically imroves sharpness bringing a lot of the details out, its still a little fuzzy but it reduces it quite a lot. In 4k it looks amazing with Ray Tracing.
I would advice against sharpening in this specific game if you use DLSS as that already uses a built in sharpening filter so if you add another one on top you're gonna start oversharpening. If you're native 4k though, then sharpening might look great, but I'm assuming even a 2080 Ti can't hold 60 most of the time at native 4k with every RTX feature turned on.
TessellatedGuy yup I do play at 4K with an RTX 2080 TI and it looks amazing, just that the frame rate is around 45-50 FPS with 35ish FPS on the 1% lows. The only ray tracing I turn on is the shadows since they are the best improvement out of the rest of the ray tracing options. In my opinion at least
I’m a pc gamer and I get the consoles are definitely starting to age but realising games that are running like this is absurd and someone needs to be held accountable because this ain’t going to change
I'm playing on Xbox One S and I noticed the slow down and frame rate dipping when there's a lot of particle effects or a lot of action on screen and it is unplayable when the frame rate drops so low I'm stuck on the first boss because the framerate just crashes. I just hope they can get this right on console and if they can't give us a refund for the game.
Now that I’ve heard I’ll just wait until it’s $20
Now
@@CharlesRoyaleGaming well now it’s free on ps4 and 5
I might be out there but one thing I think about is that the Flash Light from Alan Wake was an Oop(Object of power) I mean when the light focused it would weaken the dark aura around the people and machines.
Oh, so it's Quantum Break on steroids