Mehdi and Owen on ICC Israel Arrest Warrants, with Ilan Pappé and Diana Buttu
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- The International Criminal Court Chief Prosecutor announced Monday that he is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. In response, ‘Two Outspoken’ hosted a special breaking news town hall for Zeteo paid subscribers where Owen and Mehdi were joined by two guests: former PLO legal adviser Diana Buttu and Israeli academic Ilan Pappé.
Paid subscribers were able to ask their questions directly to Owen, Mehdi, Buttu and Pappé. They discussed how the ICC’s prosecution team is also seeking warrants for Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, as well as two other Hamas leaders - Mohammed Diab Ibrahim al-Masri, and Ismail Haniyeh. They also covered what a shock it is for the Israeli political class to find itself held to account by international legal institutions; and whether this move will change anything on the ground for Palestinians.
Professor Pappé also told the hosts of ‘Two Outspoken’ about his bizarre experience last week when he was questioned by the US Department of Homeland Security agents about his views on Gaza and genocide on his arrival at Detroit airport.
‘Two Outspoken’ is a twice-monthly conversation between broadcaster, author, and Zeteo CEO Mehdi Hasan and political commentator, author, and activist Owen Jones. Mehdi and Owen will be discussing the news of the week, offering their analysis on the state of American and British politics, and even, like today, taking questions from Zeteo paid subscribers.
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Justice for Hind. Justice for all the children of Palestine.
Yes!!!
What would Justice for Hind look like?🤔
@PauloAdriano-zo2ng nothing will make her live again but there is such a thing as Seeking Justice and Reparation. In her name!
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The most heinous, horrific crime of hatred perpetrated on a human being, much less a child that I have witnessed in modern times!
When I was on the street, demonstrating against apartheid South Africa, I didn't think I'd see victory in my lifetime.
There is hope.
Palestine will be free. 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
It's inevitable 🖤🤍💚❤️
The world needs to maintain the rage on this matter!!
Justice needs to prevail for the long suffering Palestinian people.
For over 100 years these people have been shunted from pillar to post with no regard to their humanity. Well, well nothing has changed since that time and yet their plight and misery continues, aided and abetted by the West, in particular the US.
What I would say to the US is that rather than lecturing others about human values, freedom and democracy …start practicing what you preach!
Stop supporting rogue states/leaders because of some delusional belief that they represent a strategic, political and economic importance to the US. Invariably, as history would show, that such blind support eventually turns against US interests.
Think of the domestic economic returns,
squandered, notwithstanding the lives lost, because of US imperial interests gone horribly wrong.
Sadly, yet again we see history repeating itself!
“ When Will We Ever Learn”
As Ilan Ppape once said - Never underestimate the evilness of Zionism.
Biden just called the ICC decision “Outrageous”. Well Joe, a lot of us think it’s outrageous that you’re in office.
And Israel Herzog is pressuring AIPAC to ramp up pressure on our legislators. Who cares about our laws against foreign influence in our electios?
Americans don’t control their politicians - their politicians control them. Ditto UK etc etc This is not Democracy, folks. The moment politicians openly referred to themselves as the political ‘class’ Democracy was dead.
They're outrageous because his name isn't on it. 😡
We are outraged that you are still sending weapons knowing that it's killing Women and children in Palestine
And it's not even a DECISION, is it ? Aren't these just the prosecutor's CHARGES this far?
“The state of Israel was not created for the salvation of the Jews; it was created for the salvation of western interest.”
James Balwin
Yes so they can control middle East countries. Israel is mess for middle east region.
James Baldwin
yup-- they are a non-Christian vanguard (that also pretend not to be white) that now function basically as the KKK and CCC of our time
BUILD IT, AND THEY SHALL FECK OFF,,LOL.... LAYMANS VERSION
Brilliant quote
All this historic arrest warrants from ICC are thanks to South Africa 🇿🇦
Yes. All due to brave Sth Africa who wasn’t intimidated by the US
Indeed. Thank you, South Africa.
Yes may Allah bless them
100% right. Every time the South African delegate speaks about it, I feel oblige to their brave stance.
God bless
Issue arrest warrant for AIPAC and Biden also
Yes, but not all people are equal Abdullah. Look at what is happening in "New Caledonia". The Kanak people are being colonized by the French. The French are in violation of their own treaty that they signed with the Kanak people but really no one support them.
can't; USA never agreed to join the ICC
Juts AIPAC. Biden can not stand prison. Lol
You left out congress & Senate.
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How about Biden, Sunak, Macron, the German chancellor and Italian PM?! 🤔
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They will shut up now
And why not Brett McGurk, National Security Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa? He is driving this thing
Agreed, agreed, agreed agreed, agreed, agreed.
Today is a wonderful day.
USA is not a member of the ICC
Israel must be held accountable for war crimes and Genocide in Gaza
Why only Israel and nobody else?
I'm fine with everyone else included @@noamto
@noamto once the precedent sticks, it's easier to bring justice to others
Sadly, there aren't the resources to bring cases everywhere simultaneously, so we'll have to work our way through the war criminals til justice prevails
@@markwelch3564 Yeah right "there aren't resources" to bring cases anywhere, only against Israel are there magically always resources.
And there aren't any resources by for 10 years to arrest and bring Bashir and Putin to the court, after multiple visists to multiple countries all signed on the Rome Statute, inclduing South Africa who openly refused to arrest both of them and is now fishing for money and sympathy.
Why do you refuse to recognise the ICC's authority when it comes to Bashir and Putin, and Hamas like the panel here said, but demand that its authority be recognised ONLY when it comes to Israel?
Huge respect to Ilan Pappé. People like him have been trying to open our eyes. Shame on USA for bothering him at the airport. USA is acting like a pet dog of Israel.
I agree! Pappé, Gideon Levy, Dr Gabor Mate, Prof. Norman Finkelstein, Diana Buttu, Rev Munther Isaac, Rabbi Dovid Weiss, Miko Peled, Abbi Martin, George Gallowy, Jeremy Corbyn etc. etc. so, so many have been trying to open our eyes for so long.
Until Oct 7th I was oblivious too, to the decades of brutal dehumanising oppressive occupation of the Palestinian people and their land. Although brutal and indefensible, I guess Hamas felt compelled to lance a boil which had been festering for decades and getting ever more unbearable. Israel is the monster child of USA and is now out of control with no moral compass. Two wrongs do not make a right.
AIPAC money is powerful, and many politicians crooked
They are totally involved. This is white supremacy. Make no mistake about this
Yes, he is a genuinely great man.
They have also been fed a steady diet of "their" exceptionalism. "They" made the desert bloom! But with whose money and assistance? Israel is an arrogant welfare state.
I am a South African who was born and lived under apartheid i support Palestinians who are living under the brutal occupation and apartheid 🇿🇦🇵🇸
What about the thousands of prisoners held in Israeli jails,the homicidal settlers in the West Bank?
And the torture, raping of young girls and boys in prisons.
Issue the arrest warrants IMMEDIATELY!
No make the process slowww.
The longer it takes the longer it makes the news.
I cannot wait
I heard it's supposed to take a few months
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
Diana Buttu and Francesca Albanese are my heroes!!!!👏👏🥰
Absolutely! 👍
AIPAC NEEDS TO GO! Yesterday!
Palestinians have suffered enough 💔😢
Biden should be brought to justice as well. Thanks ICC for the verdict.
Washington should be arrested, not just Biden.
and bush and blair
After 76 years
You mean terrorist Biden?
if you have ever been called an antisemite/self-hating Jew by a Zionist, you should be very proud of yourself. It means you are doing great and you are a good person. At this point, I wouldn't even consider voting for a politician that hasn't been called that by a Zionist.
Welcome to my world. And thank you, sometimes I resent being called names by people I Do Not consider Jewish, I don’t care what they say.
What I found even worse was that some of them (zionists) used the argument that unless you had been a victim of the holocaust you should shut up…
When I asked if they were direct victims of the Holocaust yes or no, they said eventually no.. and then they still tried to remove me from the conversation until I pointed out that like them my grand father was a guest in a concentration camp so… does that mean yes or no, I was allowed to talk about it…
And that caused a wee bit of an issue and lots of insults, personal insults….
‘You are a self hating Jew…’ and then pointed out that Jews were the largest group affected but not the only one…and I was not Jewish.
After which they were screaming anti-Semite and ignoring the facts and the arguments they brought themselves…
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Please don’t allow yourself to interact with these selfish crazies that lie like we breathe.
Much respect for Ilan pappe
What a great panel. Ilan Pappe is an admirable man, not only does he have great knowledge and intellect but he is Jewish and stands with Palestine because it’s the right thing to do.
"Israel Losing their shit" 😂😂. Mehdi was hilarious 😂
Medhi is certainly frankly direct! Love him, I laughed out loud!
@@junebrilly5302 yh, he is a straight up to the point 👉. Like him as well
Thanks Mehdi for such beautiful work.
We’re hopeful for free Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤
Free Palestine 🇩🇿❤️🇵🇸🍉✌🏼
We wont stop until there is true justice for Palestinians
Israel must be held accountable for war crimes and Genocide in Gaza. Issue the arrest warrants IMMEDIATELY!
How about the complicit western leaders?! 🤔
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They should be next. Biden, Sunak and Co.
I'm ashamed of the US
Yes, the US could stop all the horror tomorrow
There is no organization that can charge the west of "colonization". Look at what is happening in "New Caledonia". The Kanak people are being totally "Colonized" by the French for the Nickle resources are you going out their and pointing this out. The answer is "No".
If the bastard Netanyahu goes anywhere he must be arrested
Guess he would not get an invite to Congress, or would he?
You must not understand how the world works. Netanyahu will never ever be arrested. Maybe some Hamas members will stand trial but that will be it.
If he travels to countries who are signatories to the ICC, he could be arrested
Israel is not a member of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) or the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICJ does not have membership for countries per se, but rather judges from various countries are elected to serve on the court. Israel has had judges serve on the ICJ in the past1.
Regarding the ICC, Israel was one of the seven countries that voted against the Rome Statute in 1998, which established the ICC2. Israel does not recognize the authority of the ICC and has not ratified the Rome Statute, which means it is not a member state of the ICC3
The UK government is seeking to equip Netanyahu and other Israeli officials with diplomatic immunity, thereby giving them protection from any arrest warrants.
Hello from South Africa, Mehdi🇪🇭💕🇿🇦
Thank you! South Africa 💐
We love South Africa, from UK.
I love SA, from Ireland! And this panel is awesome!❤
Thanks to South africa from Ireland
AMANDLA AWAITU!!!! LONG LIVE THE LIONS AND LIONESSES OF THE MIGHTY REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA! WE LOVE YOU ALL. WE PALESTINIANS OWE YOU A DEBT OF ETERNAL GRATITUDE FOR YOUR COURAGE, DETERMINATION, CLARITY AND MORAL STRENGTH IN STANDING UP FOR JUSTICE FOR PALESTINE JUST LIKE WE ALL DID FOR SOUTH AFRICA IN HELPING TO BRING DOWN THE APARTHEID SYSTEM. GOD BLESS SOUTH AFRICA! YOU ARE VERY POSSIBLY THE BES FRIEND PALESTINE EVER HAD.
Smotrich and Gavir need to be arrested as well!
The ICC prosecutor better start double checking any helicopters he rides in. We all know what happens when you anger Israel
Honestly that was probably the supreme leader or someone else within Iran
same as when you anger Putin. they've all read the same dictators handbook
Where can I have one? Asking for a friend @@edprince753
Indeed
israh8ll doesn't have that power anymore. They're fucked now!
Truth will prevail and that oppresser will be held accountable.
Well spoken….May Almighty God reward you bountifully!!!
We all hope
_ARREST_ *Mark Regev* too !!!
(make a list)
Absolutely! Eylon Levi too!
Smotrich & Gvir too
Hotovely too please
And, Jonathan ______, spokesperson and military, who notably was the presenter of that farcical video about Al Aqsa. That was a despicable piece of work there.
But Regev is so funny. Like Erdan. The best comedians ever.
Happy to see Mr. Pappe’ in good health after recent interrogation. 🙏🏽
Hopefully they get those arrest warrants issued
Inshallah
Ilan Pappe is a treasure to humanity
All I can say is About Damn Time. This one-sided war has gone on long enough. 🇵🇸
palestinians - The Real Victim .
AND THE 1200 Innocent Israelis that were butchered on October 7 & let’s never forget the HOSTAGES!!
Keep up the good work Mehdi and huge thanks to the amazing team behind Zeteo ❤❤❤
I hope Zeteo stays consistent with the truth and the quality. ❤❤❤❤
Zeteo is ACTUALLY doing what journalists are supposed to do!
End impunity, exceptionalism and selective diplomatic protection, and the veto power at the Unsc.
As soon as I receive notification from Zeteo, I will not even wait a second to click on it. I love this channel and Mehdi.
❤ from Sierra Leone
Mehdi is a gatekeeper. Don't be fooled.
Dunno what that means
He’s a brilliant reporter, sharp as a tack
@@elsonck2523wtf are you saying?!?
@@junebrilly5302 Just another propaganda bot
@@junebrilly5302 I don't trust Mehdi. He is an opportunist.
Justice ⚖️ for Palestinian people has been long delayed sadly. One day I hold the belief that Justice will be delivered and freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸.
Indeed, agreed with Pappe 💯. he's on the point
After watching the ICC this morning, I then watched the State Department and literally wanted to throw -up 😓
Keep it up we need independent media
Justice for Palestinians NOW. Free Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Love the Owen Jones inclusion in Zeteo!
Send him a set!
ICC ARE DOING IT'S DUTIES WELL. NOBODY IS ABOVE THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. HUMANITY IS FIRST PLACE.
In 2004 the ICC ruled that a wall being built in West bank was illegal, and Israel ignored the ruling. The 19 miles of wall continue and have even been increased
Probably, you mean the ICJ not the ICC
That was the ICJ, but yeah.
19 miles? its 439 miles.
And israel made sure to build it completely on Palestinian land to reduce their lands, not Israel’s
that was the ICJ
Owen & Mehdi, thank you for your wonderful thought provoking show.
Mehdi, I listened to Matt today at State briefing. He suggested that the ICC lawyers were meant to go to Israel, but instead cancelled & did their live TV announcement instead. I feel like there are a lot of unseen chess moves.
Owen, I appreciate your celebration. We need a step in the right direction. Thank you for the news that Amal is part of the legal Team. It all makes sense now.
If you are an older person & feel helpless, don't. There is a lot you can be doing. As always,
Free Palestine ✌️
Big fan of you mehdii ❤
Finally. Netanyahu recognised for his contribution to world history. Destruction, barbarism, racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity.... what a legacy! Sadly, the resistance leaders of the Palestinians have been dragged into the mess. The occupied have a moral right to resist their occupiers.
Is he jealous that Biden shares in that legacy?
Biden, Sunak and Macron must not be let loose.
Long long Overdue....now we need to ensure they are issued and Arrests take place ASAP!!!!!
Such great panel! Thank you all of you! I admire M. Pappé! Mrs Buttu is inspirational!
Mehdi saying "losing their shit" made my night 😂
They’re full of it. In theory they still have more shit to lose
NO THREATS OR INTERFERENCES from Any SUPER POWER'S so The ICC & ICJ are ABLE To Do It's WORK - Proudly 🇿🇦
Check how the boss was chosen and why
Of course they knew everything about prof. Pappé. He’s a living academic legend and mensch.
Exactly Diana I totally agree with every word 👍🏻
I don't understand how Israel and the U.S. are 'not' a members of the International Court. How can these supposed developed Countries not be members Internationally. They are on this planet Earth yes? Since when do Countries have a choice? If I get arrested I don't get to say 'sorry I'm not a member of the Public, as I didn't apply so I can't be arrested'.
I smiled when I opened the video and saw the people on the panel. Kudos
Gotta say today is an okay day for humanity.
Hopefully it's a start in the right direction
Outrageous that Ilan Pappe was treated like this 😮
The great 4 ❤❤❤❤
Professor Illan Pappe is one of respectful historians who put his career on fire by just speaking the truth, while clearly knowing the cost.
Diana's points are extremely well taken! I think that the ICC Prosecutor, Karim Khan intentionally called for arrest warrants for two Israeli leaders but three Hamas leaders is so he could anticipate and fend off attacks from the pro-Israel forces that he is being lenient to Hamas and hence, anti-Israel and anti-semitic.
Much respect and admiration for Ilan Pappé. Warm regards from Germany
Ilan Pappé is right Benny Ganz is another kahanist, just being less bad than Ben-Gvir or Smotrich doesn't mean he's acceptable 😖
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Hear! Hear! He is awful.
Save U.S. from AIPAC
at least ICC is doing something and not only goes for Africans !!!
This is just another notch against Israel and confirms everything the people are protesting against. The boycotts, the protests, the ICC, The ICJ, and mostly, the Palestinians themselves are all pieces to the puzzle of this disaster.
Sure Steve, but the problem is no "organization" that can address the problem of western powers trying to "colonize" local tribes or people. That why these problems are not being treated as equal. Look at what is happening in "New Caledonia" the French are "Colonizing" the Kanak people for their nickel resources. But are we really addressing it or treating it equally? No not really.
Owen and mehdi will make history as two main crusaders for the rights of Palestinians
free palestine
Pape is right. Thank you Mehdi.
Les meilleurs réunis !!! Continuez ainsi à soutenir cette belle cause qui est la cause de l humanité entière ❤❤❤
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Why isn’t more being made of the fact that Israel has a unity government? They may hate Netanyahu, but they ALL seem to support what he is doing…
My two favourite hosts come together and create an amazing coalition. Excellent work guys. Really looking forward to seeing more. Keep up the great work.
no a single western country has issued any sanctions on Israel or remove leader like Saddam
The answer is easy:THE ISRAELI LOBBY.
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Stephen Walt & John Mearsheimer would agree with you. 👍🏼😴🍎
But what of the detention of Palestinian prisoners without charge or a trial in inhuman conditions😢
Arrest warrant? For both the two leaders isreal, genocidal isreali leader and that of hamas. My add here is simple hamas leader could possibly be arrested but the western leaders would definitely shield Netanyahu from being arrested.
Mohammed Deif has done humanity a huge service, he should not be on the warrant list.
I pray 🙏🏾 these warrants don’t get delayed or are protected by the war mongers
Shalom from the children of Gaza.
Free Free Palestine 🇵🇸 ♥️
IM LTERALLY CRYING AND FILLED WITH HOPE TODAY. THANK YOU FOR NOT STOPPING
The arrest warrants should have come sooner.
What a hell of a panel, I'm genuinely impressed. Actual experts, discussing a topic they're highly educated on. Something becoming rarer and rarer in media, these days.
Glad to have caught this from the beginning. An esteemed panel I must say. Thank you for your efforts at honest and objective reporting.
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There is power in the public pressure❤
🌸Gratitute 🌸WELLL DONE💃🎉. Good format with 4 speakers...🇵🇸🕊🌎🕊🇧🇷🕯🇮🇷🕯🇮🇷🕯🇵🇸🕯
What a great set of minds.
Thank you!
New sub here. Thanks for doing this all! Saw Mehdi on PSA this morning, and made me a new subscriber. Thanks fam.
Great show Zeteo!
4 wonderful human beings ❤❤🍉🍉🍉
Where do people in the West think Israel has its nuclear weapons pointed? If you live in the West look out your window for a clue.
Remember uss liberty
Remember King David Hotel
Thank you people for your kind comments abt my country south africa✌️
Ilan Pappe is a cool guy. I actually wrote to him for a paper and presentation I was writing about 15 years ago. He emailed me back and gave me a stellar quote.
Mehdi and Owen, you both make an amazing team! Keep it up!
Come on people. The ICC has about as much authority as the UN
It can influence the attitude of people towards Israel.
Thank you Mr. Khan and the ICC! A profile in courage and fairness vs. the vile U.S. politicians
Love this platform. Really enjoyed watching! 🇵🇰❤️🇵🇸