Are You Pot Committed? Quick Poker Math Tip
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ever found yourself in a tough spot, unsure if you're pot committed? In "Are You Pot Committed? Quick Poker Math Tip!" we dissect a hand where the caller faces a stack-to-pot ratio dilemma. Watch as we explore how failing to do the math in real time led to a costly mistake, and learn how you can avoid the same error in your games. This video is a must-watch for players who want to fine-tune their decision-making process under pressure.
You'll learn why it's essential to be able to have some poker math shortcuts to quickly calculate your approximate equity compared to pot odds. Bart runs through how he would have done the math in real time.
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0:00 - Intro
1:23 - Preflop
5:09 - Flop
12:44 - Hero Decision
13:24 - Reveal
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At 9:37 Bart explains how he would do some quick combo math on the fly in this spot
you lost me at 10:40
could you explain what you meant by "10% on the other side"?
i understand we need 22-25% equity, but where do you get the 5-1 ratio?
thanks,
What should JJ be doing on this flop?
Didn't stop in time before reveal, and now my poker soul screamed NOOOOOO.
Basic rule, do not play in a game where the absolute amount involved means you won't play good basic poker for fear of losing money, as that is the fastest way to lose money in poker.
2nd fastest
@@user-ih3in9oq1hwhats the fastest then?
the guy mucks and bart starts looking around like an earthquake just went off
I spit my cereal out when he said "i mucked" @12:49😂
I died 😂
I am saying this in a nice way...... This is exactly why you need to play at stakes you are comfortable at. This dude was scared $. The fact it was a 72 game makes this call even worse
I love the caller’s plan😂😂
tbf had he followed through and just hit the A or K hand plays out very different. Clearly great plan, spotty on the execution. :P
@@qazzaqstan plus we’ve all had that “plan” 😅😅 the guy was just not comfortable…
4:21 “my plan was to flop a pair and go all in”.
Why not plan to flop trips, or Broadway or a boat?
Good call-in! Spots close and sometimes hard to determine which side of the coin your on in the moment. (Until the caller reveals the “wrinkle” in this hand….)
Agree with 400 pre (as we would with AA,KK) Flop is a jam it’s not even close. The pseudo induce/25% pot/fold to a raise, is a mathematical crime.
truthfully given it is a 72 game I probably check back flop assuming I don't jam pre. I agree though that you can't do a 25% bet there, unless you want to play unbalanced with your value (which you probably can in that spot, but I'm not sure jamming wouldn't be better)
Best advice above all. If you are afraid of the stakes, do not play in the game. This one made me sick.🤮
I was gonna get sick, too... then I quickly realised: don't take it personal, boy! And..ever since then, I never get sick of TH-cam poker callers.
Shoving is the only play that makes sense. That or just call. But really all in is the play most the time in this spot. And it’s a drawing hand so might as well just scoop the dead money.
You absolutely have to jam 120BB's pre in this configuration. Picking up $300 pre is a great result PLUS you can get folds from hands like 99-JJ, this being a loose game makes a jam even better because you can get called by hands you're dominating.
99-JJ is never folding to the 120 bb jam. That's silly to even suggest.
@@TheTree1you think most players are calling 99 to a cold 4-bet jam for 120BBs?
I guess it depends on hero’s table image but that seems unlikely to me.
@@TheTree1in live poker, 99-JJ is absolutely being folded to a 4bet jam almost always, especially if it's cold.
@@MrTjthorso lol not for a 120 bbs. It's snapped
@@TheTree1 I'm not so sure it would get snapped off (though it also being a 72 game makes it more likely) price is pretty bad and equity isn't great against a standard 4-bet range.
Ooof. Having to pay the $30 bounty on top made me lol. 😅
AK preflop either just call or rip based on stack depth
Agree. Thats how I would play AK pre. It plays far better post flop than preflop.
I appreciate the honesty. We’ve all been there
I havent
I hate the 200 dollar bet. It looks weak especially against a splashy guy that will easily put you to the test.
I could see definitely taking that sizing with AA/KK?
Might not be “correct” from a theory standpoint but with the SPR less than 1 it doesn’t seem that out there.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zjI’ve done the same. Bet small to look weak and then call their jam with a strong pair or flopped set.
To be honest, the call of $400 by the villain already put what $800-900 in the pot. The flop really doesn’t matter anymore from a STP ratio standpoint. If you’re not willing to call or rip on the flop, then why raise preflop? Just call or fold. No point even making it $400. This is a situation of scared money don’t make money. No one knows what your hand is other than yourself.
Like the caller said, he was desperate to hit a pair, because the game was too big, and when he didn’t, the villain put him to the test. $500 and he rips preflop all day. $1200 is a different story and he played like it. Live and learn.
If you are definetly going to Call a shove then it’s smart to induce a bluff,but this guy did it without knowing what to do which is not good
If 3-better is a nit: FOLD. Else: SHOVE. End of the hand.
oh yeah. i learned this years ago. in really loose games, AK is such a glorious hand lol. even AQs heck even AJs, KQs is a sexy hand in a very loose game, i even get turned on when i see QJs in these games.
Speak to your therapist@@tipsy09
@@tipsy09bruh
Dude is an indian. There are no nits from India 😂❤❤
@@1312Mork2truer words have never been spoken!
And the $30 on top!? 🤣 that’s mint
As previously mentioned,
this could have been completely avoided if he just 4-bet jammed pre...
Esepcially with his stack size.
Definitely going with this preflop based on 3 bettor profile
LMFAO BRO GOT WRECKED
I get folding because hes basically only getting exactly the right odds to call, so it's just a variance tolerance thing. Except with the 7/2 game on, you have to call.
Correct. "Getting exactly the right odds" means it doesn't matter whether you call or fold. Just because you're allowed to place a bet on a roulette wheel which has no 0 or 00, doesn't mean you have to. Breakeven bets are breakeven bets.
@@EfficientRVer uh, yes, I know. Which is literally the entire point of my post. If he's taking a shot at a bigger game and there's no EV difference between a fold and a call, he should fold. That, again, ignored the fact that it's the 7/2 game and that they may know he's taking a shot, both of which weight it towards a call, but in a vacuum it's irrelevant, so fold if playing bigger than normal.
Even if u showed me AA im calling off my stack cuz at least i got some chance of winning vs mucking 0% chance of winning.
@@webguy943 what..?
Lol at the graphic
This is mainly why I have been reluctant to go up stakes even though I had a Very successful 2023 and as well into this year (Although not able to play as much) But now My local card room is back and Im not travelling out of town to play. But, I figure you have to Sink or Swim some time
i think the main problem is that if u are not calling the flop jam then u shouldn’t cbet the flop and should just realize your equity by checking back, there’s basically no hand which would fold to your 25% cbet in a 4b pot, which means your cbet here does not achieve anything but pouring money into the sea.
Perfect example of a guy that doesnt know how to play poker.
Only thing a 25% cbet does is maybe induce bluff shoves which have to be called of course.
Madness to bet/fold.
Just like the pocket Kings hand, this is the possibly the worst played AK on every street.
I wanna play against that guy
How did you count those outs? And come up with those odds Bart? Can you go more in detail?
How does the pre flop work 9 handed even if UTG+1 is actually first to act after straddle 3 calls and then HJ is the raiser?
It's tough playing this shallow. I think the caller was just out of his depth. I'd probably have jammed pre here. It's just so easy for AKo to be weak on the flop, especially when hero is so shallow after his 4 bet pre. Worst mistake here, of several, was betting 200 on the flop.
Understand all the tough comments on the none Flop push, but that's a sick jam with 72c in that spot. The Jammer must think he is going to call the 600 left. I know I would never expect a fold
I mean does he ever jam AA in that spot, I think the $200 cbet would have more of a frequency
Slam dunk call.
When it comes to flop decision I feel like AA is unlikely. If V decides to trap with AA pre, why would he check-shove flop?
Just continue to trap. If hero checks behind on turn V can still jam rivers easily.
Feels much more likely to be a lower overpair that figures they can’t get away on this board if hero has AA/KK and so might as well get it in vs hero’s AK.
@crushlivepoker if you jam pre, doesn’t that absolutely scream AK?
ever since i started watching Bart's videos i say the word "configuration" a lot now. maybe i'll start saying "config"
Nearly same thing happened to me. I jam at the end villain wakes up with pocket aces
When the four bet is so tiny, you're getting called by almost his entire range, even though you have position.
BTO (Bart Theory Optimal) is always +EV. trust me
Jamming pre-flop also prevents any intrigue from 7-2 hands.
I screamed at the screen when he said he folded WTTFFFFFFFF. 😂😂😂😂
Stop over thinking it. Even if he has KK here u still got an ace. This is a sigh n then auto call situation. Even if u had a 5% chance of winning, this is STILL a call cuz if u muck villain wins 100% 1900 wow.
3x raise pre and jam flop regardless
72 game being on makes this a jam pre.
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Good fold you know its a blank turn and deuce in the river
Cause it’s a big game for him …I know the feeling
Yikes 😬
Holy shit this guy is not supposed to be in this game 😂. Butchered the entire hand. Gotta just jam pre flop with that dead money
omg!
Guy is just playing in too high of stakes for himself. Sounds like he knew what is correct but wasn’t willing to risk the money when the time came
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As soon as you start thinking about absolute value you need to find a smaller game
Yes, the caller made what is marginally a mistake, but I think there is a factor which makes it not as bad a mistake as a mistake in the opposite direction. People over-emphasize the "scared money" aspect of what is a really close call vs fold situation mathematically. Even if you're not the least bit scared about the absolute amount of money, sometimes it is better to simply take the lower-variance path, for better bankroll stability. Folding was the lower variance path to the same long-term EV, if he needed 23% for calling and folding to be equal, breakeven, and he was getting 23%.
The last time I checked, risking a pile of extra money just to end up with the same EV as by not risking it, was NOT a good habit to get into.
Of course if his real EV was 28% due to a wild villain, 7-2 game, his table image being that he could maybe be pushed off a hand, and so forth, then it was not "all other things being equal" and he simply missed a +EV call.
An admonition for anyone following my advice to consider reducing variance in situations like this, is to pay very careful attention to how often you do it against whom, and who is present at the table, and whether they can figure out that's what you're doing. Once you get a table image of "in close situations, he folds to reduce variance" then you are going to get pushed around a lot. Which has its own advantages, when you have the nuts and want to take someone to Value Town, as compensation for people knowing how to put you in a situation where you too predictably fold.
You do need to somewhat balance and randomize your close decisions, but I'll stand by my basic assertion that the average player runs across tons of close decisions, where they have the opportunity to pick and choose which ones are a good opportunity to reduce the variance in their results.
I'm almost thinking that villain would have played AA and 72 the same way on that flop, exactly because the line would put hero in the blender. Sort of a terrible thing to do mathematically, to play a hand the same way where you want a fold as where you want a call when giving over 3:1. But never underestimate the joy that wild players get from throwing you into the blender. It makes them feel like a poker genius when you don't know what to do.
Hero pot comitted himself yet somehow folded. Ridiculous.
Just quit poker now :D
Scared money.
This guy needs to stick to smaller games until he builds his bankroll.
Scared money doesnt win
these thumbnails 🤣
Sick to my stomach
terrible fold , bad play...even if he checks flop , i think its a call
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I Bet 220 flop and snap
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@@aylmao1230btain dead play
If youre terrible at poker and playing ~100bb just 4bet jam your AK the EV will be similar and you wont get the chance to butcher postflop.
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flop: getting 3:1, bla, bla...you're not gonna get anything if you're behind here.
and how cannot you be behind...with A high!! Unless V is jamming with 82o?!
13:26 72cc