Pass The Mic - Suraj Yengde On Why Caste Matters | Faye D’Souza
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- I'm starting a new series called 'Pass The Mic' where we listen to voices that matter.
Dr. Suraj Yengde joins me to explain why caste matters. He is currently a senior fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School and an inaugural postdoctoral fellow at the Initiative for Institutional Anti-racism and Accountability (IARA) at Harvard University.
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Upper caste can only imagine. But to understand the caste brutality they have to be born untouchables.
-Dr BR Ambedkar
Wonderful episode. Overwhelmed with happiness to see such a learned dalit mind get time on media. I'm sure the oppressors unable to process these arguments are busting a gut to come up with a reply. I'm a second generation educated dalit. I'm proud to belong to this community, I will work towards its upliftment once I finish my studies. P.s. kudos to suraj.
Brother Baba saheb didn't use this derogatory word, he had written schedule cast and we should understand this. Schedule cast is a constitunal word we should use this
All the very best to you and much love.
Same here. Lets connect on Instagram
@prateek koul * You are paid worker of bjp IT cell.
@prateek koul why are u abusing bro , is this your parents thought u to do , abuse a strangers ??? Please dont let your parents down , u represent your family when u raise your voice ...abusing and fighting like this will do only harm, what u know about ancistors ??
When I see so many atrocities on dalits and still their non revenge attitude, it inspires me a lot. As a Muslim, I feel my community is also marginalised in India. Still we had never a problem of social identity. We have been accepted by masses as an individual. But dalits have suffered a lot for thousands of years. Even when you people act so generously and articulate you in the most liberal way, it is legacy of Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar. I salute his wisdom and truthful attitude. You are the real liberators.
Exactly! We've never had it as bad as the dalits. We need to work together. Higher education. Canteens. Hospitals. Scholarships. Legal aid clinics. A lot can be done.
Historically, dalits in India have enjoyed the privileges like any other community in India.The Reddys in south have history of being rulers. Karna was a ruler with shudra identity. It was and is always a number game. Since Mohammed understood it early on, he asked every Muslim to have more kids and go around converting. Even Surya here, wants to rewrite history from dalit perspective and not to establish equality.
@@Whereeverur are you high?
@Mujahid shaikh it is not about Hindus or Muslims. All genius minds said the same.Manusmriti can only make sense to anyone only if you relate it with human minds and not till u relate it with religion. Neither manu or Vedas say that brahmins r going to rule the world, which means ppl who achieve brilliance thru disciplined way of life. Such ppl born in any religion or caster are/have only been able to raise high.
Ever heard of apj Abdul Kalam, A R Rehman, Nisar Ahmed,Zakir Husain,Sania Mirza,Zaheer Khan many cricketers Salim Ali and bollywood khans and many Muslim achiever’s every Indian loves them. U think u guys are marginalised u would grow and achieve something if u leave behind the hatred and spread love. Now don’t lecture me I have many Muslim friends I even celebrate festivals with them. If u think u guys are marginalised u need to look at other countries how minorities are treated.
If UCs want to end castisem they should begin from home.
Wonderful interview Faye. Thanks Suraj for helping India head towards a casteless society. A lot of work has to be done. My personal apologies to all the Dalits in India who have been horribly discriminated over the centuries. I pledge that I will do what I can do undo this gross injustice.
agree completely urban people don't believe there is cast issue.
@Anirban Sadhukhan did you even watch this video? And if you did then you should stop boosting about merit because forget merit, you don't seem to have the senses to understand how well he explained everything
@Anirban Sadhukhan Tell me O wise one - what is caste and caste based crime is through indian lens?
@Anirban Sadhukhan Where? Show me the evidence? What speech? I have just heard this argument by you jealous idiots but have never seen the proof. The constitutional assembly debates are available online on LS and RS websites. Show the evidence!
@Anirban Sadhukhan you have false information about reservation. not only dr ambedkar, but the whole constitutional assembly was agreed to give 10 year reservation only in poltics, i mean they wanted to empower them politically. thats why we have reserved seats for sc and st
community in assemblies according to their population. but this reservation was failed to empower them and after each 10 years our parliament enhance this reservation through constitutional amendment. in jan 2020 parliament passed 124th constitutional amendment in order to empower them. unhe kuch waqt do, padhai likhai abhi b bht se SCs or STs k liye nayi hai, fir woh b tumhe private sector mei dhikenge.
@Anirban Sadhukhan are u a brahman hindu apologist?
Great discussion . Well said suraj sir .Jai bhim ma'am
Casteism is equally rampant in urban areas. It is just that people here are mostly tenants who keep moving. Those who are permanent residents are no less casteist.
This is the reality of hinduism.
Being an ally to oppressed has nothing to do with them. It is all to do with your own oppressor caste.
If anyone in comments is saying caste doesn't matter, ask him if his parents let their daughter marry lower caste person!
Correction unprivileged caste person, who looks darker, poor and dirty, that is the only problem.
@@tech-interview-meetup2171 70% of uppercaste are dark
@@kamartaj3010 what has that to do with anything, caste is not the idea from India.
Its not just about marriage. Its about caste discrimination exploitation and divisive politics to suit the upper caste. You dont have to marry someone out of your caste but stop discriminating and harassing the lower caste and let them live free . And stop suppressing them. They can take care of themselves if they are let free.
One of the best that I have ever heard !!! I have been a part of the caste debate myself ,being a dalit . There is nothing else someone would say to argue but Reservation, and that poor people from other castes are being denied seats. I am tired !! I have given up trying to educate people off their willful ignorance.! This debate was everything I wanted to tell to them! Kudos !! Looking forward to hear more such personalities !
Wilful ignorance is also called Intellectual ignorance ....
Suraj is Sun🌞 for us like Hope....
Such an honest, respectful, and eye opening discussion. This 1 hour conversation probably supersedes a life time of learning on caste for me personally. Great job faye and the team 👏👏👏
For the first time, finally, a journalist is opening platforms for sociological issues. Thats so important. Great work.👍🏼
@Anirban Sadhukhan She is making people aware of how certain sections of the population are making use of the fault lines for personal gains
@Anirban Sadhukhan Rather she is exposing the traps that lie within the 'fault lines' and to be vary of them and protect society from falling into it.
@@adimanav901 👏👏👏
@Anirban Sadhukhan Improvement comes only after acknowledging the existence of problem, looking away from the problem is what Suraj Yengde calls 'willful ignorance'.
This is not the first time, every year these discussions happens.
SC+ST+OBC = 85% of Hindu population
General = 15% of Hindu population
SC/ST/OBC are considered Hindu only when its Hindu VS Muslim else they are Dalits & Shudra 😑😑😑
Thats i left bullshit hinduism
Sooraj is a real scholar better to most brahmins alive in India and outside. True that the hinduism invented the divide and rule way of life rather than the British who united India.
Really? Stop displyaing your ignorance
@@RaitaNag Ram Chander of ayodhya first abused a brahmin princess Saroopnkha and then killed her family including the shiv Bhagat brahmin king ravan but your ignorance of King Ram is well known
@@gurindersingh8109 I thought those were just folklore ...
@Amar Akbar Anthony BFF go to some school to learn English, gita school are shit. Use of 'to' is correct here
Yess So true 💯
There's a casteist Sanghi constantly spamming in the comment section with his bigoted bullcrap. It would be great if his rubbish is deleted.
Haha😂
Hard truth suraj is intelligent person
India needs him
Suraj was so well articulated. Not only I was able to realize privileges of caste but also male privileges. I was part of debating society of a DU college but I can't remember even one in a 3 year span. Out of hundred not even debate on a issue that effects us all.
Hinduism has promoted Brahminical patriachy for centuries. my freinds made me look at this aspect of Hinduism a year ago ...
Who said this. Obviously ignorant are leading ignirant
@My two cents then brahmana only will be Hindus others cast only because they didn't have the right to worship
@My two cents *5% in whole india and that's majority for you ?
Yesss
Being oppressed by 3 % population for 3000 years is not a bug but a feature. I mean how can some community being oppressed for 3000 years , that's really look pathetic.
Whatever said by Suraj Yengde is 100 percent true. He missed one point that the dalits, obcs and the adivasis were the ardent followers of buddhism in ancient times. If u read ancient history there was always a clash between ajivikism(makkala gosali), Jainism( mahaveer Jain), buddhism ( Buddha) and brahminism(Aryans). Indian history changes drastically at the rise of mauryan empire and one king who shines among all in the India and the world was the " Asoka" the beloved of God. He followed buddhism and made buddhism so popular that buddhism was the major religion of India at the time of mauryan rule. Brahminism was losing it's supremacy due to buddhism. History again changes after the assasination of Brehadrat maurya the last mauryan king. From 100 Bc to 200 Ad between the Manusmriti is composed. Purushasukta which is later interpolated in rig Veda. Between this period the intermixing of people stopped in India according to recent dna study. Before Everyone were intermixing and marrying with other communities. The history of India totally changes after 200 Ad. Coz India starts getting invaded by many outsiders. Till then the only migration to india were the steppe pastoralist i.e, the Aryans (yamnaya people). Final conclusion is that it was always the fight between the Harrapans and the Aryans. The 85 percent of the present population are the harrapans, who are called as bahujans. Hindu word came to known at the entry of Persians and moghul Invaders. If you read all the vedas, puranas, Ramayan and mahabharat you will not find the word Hindu, you will only find Varna. Manusmriti is a systematic and organised loot & plunder of the aboriginal Indians by suppresing & oppressing the basic rights by stripping education, wealth and making them slaves by prohibiting them of keeping weapons with the help of other outsider Invaders. Thus the shudra and ati-shudra i.e,(sc,st&obc) became backward caste, once who were forward of all in world i.e, the Harrrapan civilization. Why shudra and ati-shudras were not allowed in temple is because there is Buddha statue in all the major ancient famous temples in India.
Where did you learn all this garbage from, idiot school of communists - "Brahminism" there is nothing like this, it is one of the Varnas. Aryans are Brahmins, another garbage. Buddhism was initiated by Gautam Buddha aka Siddharta who was Hindu/Sanatan Dharma Prince, and all its philosophy is extension of Vedenata/ Uttar Mimansa, So, buddhism is very close to one of the darshana of Hindutva. "Till then the only migration to india were the steppe pastoralist i.e, the Aryans (yamnaya people)", there were no Aryans who came from outside India, no proof, no evidence. There is only evidemce of people going outside during ancient bharat, Aryan Migration/Invasion Theory is demolished already. If you can prove it you will get Rs 2 Crores, if you cite any western source, they do not have any acceptable proof, just words. "Final conclusion is that it was always the fight between the Harrapans and the Aryans." -- where did you read this garbage from .. lol "The 85 percent of the present population are the harrapans, who are called as bahujans." .. lol another garbage.. If you keep on reading and telling these stories, you will always be slave to western colonialist and slave in your country. Read the facts and enlighten yourself. "Why shudra and ati-shudras were not allowed in temple is because there is Buddha statue in all the major ancient famous temples in India." -- lol.. another garbage. You must super dumb to come up with garbage like this. No wonder you watch FAYE THE FAKE channel.
@@tech-interview-meetup2171 Fcukin moron. Buddhism arose as a movement against Brahminism, which is the present day Hinduism.
@@highartalert6927 Really, who started Buddhism and since you are muslim who wants to divide the society, what was the Varna of person who started Buddhism ? Answer me these questions and then we can talk more. If you don't know these answers don't explain me Buddhism.
@@tech-interview-meetup2171 Yeah moron looks like you have a pretty chronic problem of calling everyone Muslim! Hindu-Muslim - are these the only two religions you know of?
And Hinduism is the most divisive religion on the planet. It made more than 6000 caste pieces of India and Hinduism is the sole reason for Islamic invasions.
To your question - That was Varna System of the Vedic religion or Brahminical religion, which is the skeleton for today's Hinduism. Buddha was born in the Kshatriya Varna but he rejected that Varna system and Vedas!
@@tech-interview-meetup2171 Buddha was born in democratic republic family. His father was elected head of the council when he was born. What caste u are talking about?
Only hindus have caste. So u diseased hindus dont make others sick of ur disease, ok?
I felt very uncomfortable with this conversation but it was very necessary.
Then its a starting line for you...!!
When your mind confronted different idea ,you become fill uncomfortable.
This was a very interesting discussion. The caste system needs to be made irrelevant by the millennials and gen Z of India. Me and my family are all for caste abolition. #eachforequal.
Does your family have any roots in rural India? It is the villages of the heartland that matter, not the spunky cities. Go to any such village and you will be travel 1000 years back as you see a society with clear hereditary horizontal divisions.
@@meghdiip8503 yes I have rural roots and from the state of Gujarat where it is a nightmare. Hence want to have the caste system abolished. It's upto our generation in rural and urban India (the millennials and Gen Z) to fight against the caste system!
That I agree.
Banned by the Constitution from 1950.
@subhadeep mandal Escaping the problem and missing the whole point!!
Thank You So Much Faye...🙏🏼 We want to listen to Dr Suraj Yengde more often.. Learnt a Lot 🙏🏼
Its funny how those saying “caste doesn’t matter” are usually the UC/savarna. :) Oppressors dont get to decide the experience of the oppressed, and I say this being a Rajput and acknowledging my privilege.
Well put 👍
amazing that in contemporary India we have not yet stepped forward and eliminated the caste system
Isn't it upto each one of us to do that?
It's amazing that in the contemporary world we havent eliminated religion altogether. Or at the very least, we shouldve seen the last of theocratic nations
Anirban Sadhukhan : quota isn’t ur sacrifice it’s only reclaiming what ull usurped from the 85% bahujans ...
Anirban Sadhukhan : temples weren’t destroyed by Muslims alone because many Hindu kingdoms fought amongst themselves also and temples were destroyed because they overtly were places of worship during daytime and besides being dens of prostitution during night they also doubled up as storage of wealth .....Most of the structures ull claim as hindu places of worship were actually converted from Buddhist structures of learning and meditation during the counter culture post the treacherous killing of the last Mauryan king by pushyamitra shunga - who is actually revered as Ram of Ramayana - which resulted in the re-establishment of discriminatory Vedic religion and which still has 85% of bahujans under its yoke....
Anirban Sadhukhan : Quota was also given to the so called Indians by the British when the UCs pleaded with the Britishers about their inability to compete with the whites for the ICS exams ....
I wanted to give a 1minute standing ovation to every point Suraj made.
Brilliant conversation.
Join the movement.
Uttering same old bullshit
Nice 👍🏻 , thanks Ramyata
@@mr.profundis3804 not same as uppercaste vomit everytime. That caste is based on karma😂😂
@@kamartaj3010 do you mean birth based reservation?
Thank you so much, Dr. Yengde; for sharing your insights with us, I am incredibly grateful. Thank you, Faye, for initiating such conversations. For the next conversations in the series, could you please invite Sumeet Samos? He is just a stellar human being- an anti caste rapper who also initiates conversations with Dalit activists and scholars on Instagram. I'd also love to hear from Divya Malhari again, her thoughts on Dalit Literature and her writing is just beautiful and moving. Yashica Dutt and Christina Dhanraj would be incredibly powerful voices too. Add to this list, anyone?
Yes friend, exactly
@prateek koul You're unfortunately privileged enough to know English and be able to access the internet. Put that privilege to some use and read Ambedkar and follow the works of other Dalit writers and activists to educate yourself. Then take a good long look in the mirror and see yourself for what you are- a shameless, casteist, hateful, privileged bigot. Then begin the process of unlearning all that entitlement and hate. In the meantime, in the process of doing all this, keep your goddamn mouth SHUT and stop spewing your filth and garbage.
@prateek koul tag
prateek koul : bjp ITCELL mtard spotted
Hi Faye:
Please ask Dr. Yengde or other intellectual guests next time:
How can someone who was born in supposedly upper (criminal) castes, like me, participate in the getting other privileged caste members realize/enlighten about the reality of this Brahmanical oppression?
I am asking this because I have tried establishing all kinds of discourses. I have found that unless someone opens up their minds and hearts, there is no way to achieve this. I know it’s a long process, but any kind of change needs real efforts. Because I am not as well read about this and can’t give up my day job for this, I also feel ill-equipped to make any headway’s in this quest of mine.
Thanks 😊
Many others have answered this- we need to have the privileged caste persons have a mobilised movement to educate other members of the privileged castes. I think we need to have awareness and sensitisation campaigns to educate the privileged castes and not put that burden on DBA folks. Privileged caste academics need to analyse the casteism and Brahminical patriarchy in privileged caste communities, instead of talking about DBA folks and their stories. I also think that we should agitate to include Ambedkar, Savitribhai Phule and other Dalit scholars as mandatory reading from the primary school level to the college level.
I recall sooraj saying that UCs should be cultural suicide bombers in order to break the barriers of caste within our community. We must not try to lead or speak for the bahujans..rather we must address and accept the flaws in us and follow and join our fellow bahujans.
@@abhiramvijayakumar2437 Yess 💯
So which criminal caste you belong to?
@@sonali10380 what difference does that make?
Thank You, Faye, for this platform. Hope you keep listening to more and more Dalit-Bahujan-Adivasis and give us limelight for the systemic oppression we go through. And hope you break myths around reservations and bust the brahmin narrative about so-called "merit"
TBH, I was a victim of the anti-reservation propaganda inflicted upon me by my brahmin friends. Recently I unlearnt that casteist propaganda.
@@iflyandrewsamuel i unlearned it a year ago, doesn't matter, always stand up for what you feel is right even against your friends
UP Police is modern day GESTAPO
@prateek koul 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That is soo true! It's scary!
@prateek koul Are you Fayephobic?
@prateek koul Shut up idiot..m not convert😂
@prateek koul we are definitely not intrested in calling ourselves Hindus because we don't want to be in the gutter of Hinduism. We don't want to make fool of ourselves before world by calling ourselves Hindus
The British saw the loophole and used the caste system to their advantage---the Brahmins created the caste system for their advantage
Listen him. He has already answered this in the video.
Obviously you have never read much about Indian literature. Now you are peddling your ignorance
@@RaitaNag I disagree with you.
@@adimanav901 what is our history? We had aryan people who moved down south, we had indus valley civilization, establishment of gupta dynasty, rise of Ashoka establishing of buddhism by Ashoka, getting invaded by Barbar. Establishing of mughal period decline of mughal period. Arrival of East India Company, battle of 1857, establishment of British rule, getting independence in 1947, assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, first five year plan, 1948 india Pakistan war on Kashmir, Dalai Lama's refuge in India, 1962 war with China, 1965 war with Pakistan over Kashmir, death of shastri ( which should be investigated), 1976 emergency, 1979 to 1989 Khalisthan movement. 1984 indira Gandhi Gandhi assassination, assassination of rajiv gandhi. Demolition of babri masjid, rioting and bomb blast in Mumbai, 1999 kargil war. Which is our history
congratulations Faye for this new series. I would like to hear more about this subject, because I know a lot of people who are facing caste discrimination even now in our neighbourhood.
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"How do you hate someone without knowing about them!?".....Good one ( 31:10)
I am really educated and enlightened. Thanks Faye D' Souza. Thanks Dr. Suraj Yengde. Personally, I know few Brahmins who work for dalits, downtrodden, destitutes etc. Of course, they are tortured and put in jail by fascist rulers. Many a times, I feel congested and ashamed to have many many educated and qualified ignorant people around me who make / made opinions without knowing the truth and facts. They would definitely have known who is a dalit and who is a Muslim or who is a downtrodden guy. Whatsoever, India is going to be anarchial & jeopardized society in no time.
@@bipinbehera516 you are replying the same paragraph for every comment, got a lot of time on your hand, ain't you buddy😄
Suraj, I am just reading Caste matters. Though I'm a brahmin, I fully agree with you.
Appreciate your upenmindedness and seeking truth and justice.
Such a brilliant conversation. Thank you Faye for doing this & for creating this space.
Well said we lost all invasion due to divide in society.
No dumbo. We don't have political unity, not because of social division.
Ambedkar wanted separate electorates for the depressed classes which he almost got by convincing the Ramsay commission But Gandhi blackmailed him and forced him to accept reservations instead ....else today the socio political conditions of the depressed wld hv been extremely better....
Yes preach👍🏽
Gandhi sala gand maar diya hmlogo ka!
This hit a raw nerve for many of us Dalits.. calling this out in a public space has made me further an outcast over time..
Hats off to this very relevant discussion!
People of India can Annihilate caste by promoting, accepting and encouraging EXOGAMY more. That is the only way.
This entire series is just brilliant. The guests and the level of discourse is so refreshing and much needed in our country.
It is complete ignorance of people who argue about quality of a doctor or any other professional who had got a seat through reservation. For all those who have this question on your mind
"Reservation or quota is only an opportunity to enter a institution (which has been denied for a section since time immemorial). The pass mark for completing the course is same for all the students irrespective of their caste. All students exit the college through same gate called examinations, each and everyone is tested using the same yard scale."
And all the people who get selected through quota also have high scores especially for medical and engineering
@@miniaturecreature : Tell me the inventions made by students who score high marks please ...
@@miniaturecreature : every year Indian universities manufacture gold medalist after gold medallists but nobody knows where do they end up ...their gold medals haven’t alleviated living standards of Indians but they migrate to serve the white skin for whom they are nothing but cheap labour ...
You think the anti reservationists (beneficiaries of Varnashram reservations) don’t know this; they are intellectually dishonest and thrive upon distortion of facts ...
Bro, how can we correct these mistakes tell that, I am aware of problems, I tried to argue in my village they put me on stand in panchayat. I stopped speaking.
@vikasranjanjha please speak don’t stop speaking .... just read more to put your point across more effectively in a way they understand you ! Read text which can help you support your point of view ... hope you have read a book called Caste Matter - written by Suraj himself ,which explains it all !!
Dont try to argue. Truely empower women through education and jobs. Automatically things will start to change. Caste is highly linked to education and education to power.
@Halo The caste monster they are continuously feeding will also eat them one day. They are not realising that. Its dangerous to everyone. Only educated Ambedkarites are well equipped in fighting with that. They are helping all of them so help them back.
All problem was and is reflection of your ancestors. They distroyed budhism .
All muslim are converted by your ancestors mistake.
I suspect many "dwij icons" we now know are actually Dalits. We all know how Brahmins like to rewrite history and centre themselves as heroes rather than oppressors.
Thank you for enlightening. learned many things from this video. Dalits have just living there 2nd generation and again there reservation is taken away. Someone said very true in comment people say casteism doesn’t exists but we can not marry cos you are Dalit and my dad will kill us if he know.
25% of Dalits should breakaway from 4% Brahmins. Simple. But Dalits r divided & fall for money & power of Brahmins. Time for Dalits to introspect.
What are you smoking ? Brahmins have money and power?
@@mychannel694 m.hindustantimes.com/india/are-brahmins-today-s-dalits-in-india/story-GUMXtPlPb3v9XYXcEXPGHP.html
The ignorance in the comment section is appalling
It's the slaves and master ratio.
Arzal and Pasmanda communities should overthrow Ashraf slavery
@@harshitha310 : Mr Gautier is a known critic of affirmative actions for the backward castes. It’s very heartening to see that the so called upper castes are now also engaging in jobs previously ‘reserved’ for the backwards, this change in mind set that there’s dignity in all kinds of labour will automatically place people where they deserve to be placed. Mr Gautier however ignores the fact that in today’s India also the bammans, banias and coward kshatriyas have commanding monopoly across all positions of power and pelf; top echelons of the bureaucracy, judiciary, parliament and the press is even today under their destructive spell. The attempt to use the fact that a few ‘forward castes’ individuals now engaged in toilet cleaning jobs as a smokescreen to hide the strangle hold of the ‘forwards’ is simply pathetic....
I mean best content on TH-cam today
It should be on trending ✨
Everyone must watch
Read Uma Chakravarti on Brahminical Patriarchy, a good piece on linkage between Caste and Sexuality
Your ancestors and Mughals destroyed budhism from India.
All muslim are converted reason is your ancestors.if you logically read history Mughals are also created by brahman and all problem and before and till now created by so called brahman its support other upper caste.
@@sandeepkumar6240 ha ja bramhins ( arians) destroyed buddhism
Those ppl who are actually carrying the caste proudly on their sleeves, will never watch this or any such show.
Where will the change come?
I think it would be great to do a session on "Who is a Dalit?" - that will reveal so much about what it means to be an Ati-shudra and why the creation of the Dalit identity is inextricably linked to the policing of women's sexuality and rigid social stratification (and the new versions of this segregation that persists in modern India). I think there are still a lot of people who actually do not understand the caste system or the relevance of caste in a capitalistic society, the differences in the Gandhi vs. Ambedkar understanding of caste, the meaning and origin of the term 'Ati-Shudra', the link between social capital and caste, and so much more. Also there aren't enough nuanced conversations that aim to dehomogenize SC identities. People often pool SC, OBC and ST communities' together - it would be great to delve into the differences in their access to entitlements/rights and lived realities. Emphasizing the larger system within which caste-based oppression has been normalized would be a key building block towards ensuring that people recognize their own privilege.
Wow... Excellent point of view. It's high time the feet did a gig of its own to shake up the body and make it flexible.
Thank you so much Faye. It was a true delight watching Dr. Suraj speaking. I have read his book "Caste Matters" and deeply moved by it. Thanks once again.
Very interesting interview, gave me a lot to think about, especially about the privileges
Caste is important in India, otherwise how 5%, rule on 95%? This 5% controls religion, politics, Media.. to maintain modern slavery they must divide and rule. Fun fact is that 30% made 70% population of India believe that they are minority. ))
Such an enlightening and a classy discussion on the widespread issue of casteism! We are in 2020 and still living in the dark ages... A lot of work needs to be done to unlearn what our parents and grandparents have taught us about caste, and the onus is on the privileged castes to clean this mess
Fantastic discussion! It is indeed so hard to truly understand the damage done to Dalits over the centuries. Even though I intellectually consider myself as caste-less, I am still nominally a Brahmin by birth, and am ashamed individually and collectively over the different kinds of atrocities we have committed.
I do wish future generations in India can recognise this and do more to undo this damage. Yes it will take a very long time but it's the "right" thing to do.
Once again, thanks and congratulations to Faye for initiating such relevant discussions in our society.
Wow! Suraj hitting the bulls eye with facts! More power to your brother!
The talk was thought provoking. I am so glad that I watched, many things to take away. Thanks!
tbh i didnt want to watch this video because its long video. but then i clicked, and watched entire video, i learnt so much today
Good job Faye! I am very new to your channel and appreciate your work.
I agree to the speaker in most matters. But if we want allies outside of our own, we cannot approach them with contempt. Referring to people as belonging to oppressor castes is a good idea but the term criminal caste is going too far. The term criminal has an inherent judgement of connivance in crime. By that yard stick, that girl who spoke to Dr. Yengde after his speech at IIT or NLU would be a labelled as his criminal ally, which doesn't serve our purpose. She clearly had a good conscience which is what the movement has to utilise in its favour. I hope you can get this thought across to Dr Yengde the next time you speak with him.
From his argument what i perceived is the he said to tag only the people who exhibit Caste domination practices as oppressors like the white supremacists is used only for the ones who practice it......but not all General category people, one can even have polite discussions with them...as humans we all need to be treated respectfully, responsibly and in a very understanding manner....but do not deplete your energies with lost cases, u should know how to differentiate between the genuines and the fake ones...........
@@Homosapiens0804 okay. From what I understood, he said "do not refer to them as upper caste, refer to them as oppressor castes but for me personally they are criminal castes". Hence my comment. Because that way we label all people and it becomes us vs them. So it no longer remains a human cause for all to work towards.
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As we all are part of society, as living in India and understanding ground realities, we will not go extreme way, we will choose middle path, i understand he and even Babasaheb Ambedkar has a no nonsense and direct attack mode on ( considering given situation even they are right), but we need to unite all nice, understanding and concerned citizens of society irrespective of identity differences to move towards Progressive direction, as we know we all concerned citizens are suffering from these incidents in one way or the other, so we will modify the steps in a way to unite us and evolve in better society.....and not getting all of us in the blame game situation....But for that General category people also need to understand that instead of working in SC/ST/OBC societies, they actually mainly have to work in their own society and social circle, this is what is lacking, and this is where the work needs to be done.........
Faye is a wonderful anchor, lovely interview 👍👏😇
What an insightful interview!! It's a bit complicated for a privileged person to really understand or take action but I hope they will start listening with an open mind at least!! And so crying victim.
An eye opener discussion!!!
Very insightful to know the alternate narrative! I don’t agree with everything he said but I think ‘dehumanizing’ is the appropriate term used for caste discrimination in India
21:50 not qualified for doctor...how reservation is connected with this phrase. Reservation is only for entry level access to the depressed class and to be a qualified doctor you need to clear all your respective subjects and passing criteria does not even have the reservation policy so everyone needs to score same marks to be a qualified doctor.
Castes Police ; ur parents 👌👌👌
Very good idea to have this program..Here is a suggetion - call real people also not just celebs or well known dalits. Girls, boys from rural areas. They should speak in Hindi or their own vernacular.
Best 40 mins of my life .. wow just wow 👏
His knowledge is just great 👍
Thank you Faye and team for having this conversation on a mainstream and accessible platform. More power to you and Dr Suraj!
Thank you Faye for such an awesome journalism.We are never acknowledged about such important issues . You are doing a great job.
This cleared all my doubts regarding reservations and It is very much needed in our country.
It's not new since ram rajya they were treated like that only..In that era these are auctioned
The root cause is religion, simple as that.
Religion is root of all evil
@Anirban Sadhukhan caste system is a by-product of religious doctrine.
@Anirban Sadhukhan what my logical sense tells me is that religion, be it any , were created to teach people to live a certain so that everyone can lead a harmonious life, so that everyone follows the rule of karma.
But then some individuals wanted control, the greed and lust for power can corrupt the greatest of souls you know, so religions got corrupted and you have what is there for everyone to see. Discrimination, different sects, control in the hands of a few.
brahminism is mafia , not a religion .
Its not a regilion, it just a bunch of casts. Oppressor's lives with certain cast and dead with same cast..!!
i know who is jhalkari bai, actually what happened bhramins have never let the dalit history grown up that is why 90 out of 100 dalits dont know our revolutionaries.
With due respect I'm sorry intervier u said u will not go for a reserved doctor or Kota doc
But forget the fact that u will happily consider a *general* category doctor
Even if he or she got a degree from private institutions ...wow
Taliya bajati rehni Chahiye...
For the ones who argue "what about the financially affluent section from Scheduled caste enjoying reservation and financially poor forward caste not getting a same opportunity"
First understand that the reservation is not poverty allevation scheme but an affirmative action. For a long time all the available opportunities were taken up by stronger sections of the society and the weaker section was totally denied, which had created a situation where 3% population enjoying 97% opportunities.
Now reservation is a system which provides a guaranteed opportunity to the oppressed, which in a long term should balance the equation.
Undoing historical injustices. Upper castes has reservation in all aspects of social life for centuries.
For all those who argue that economic prosperity of the so called oppressed caste does not improve their social condition, they are fooling themselves and no one else.
1. They are withholding the benefits of reservations from people of their own community. The loss is suffered by their own people, not the so called 'upper caste'.
2. So long as the well educated and financially stable people in these communities do not stand up and assert equality, so long as they feel that despite their education and wealth, they are incompetent and 'oppressed', they can never be considered as 'equal'. Equality needs to be asserted and demonstrated, not demanded.
Even some people in these communities asserting equality and stating that they are now able to compete with anyone in their field and giving up reservations for themselves and their future generations is what will truly assert equality.
joytana1 :yes n that’s called Varnashram reservations
@@ashapramod8721 You are right.
Very accurately put!
Thank you so much for this talk🙏
It's very informative.
Great guy! Hats off to him.
▪︎On Independence Day, a dalit woman, president of panchayat council went to hoist national flag but she denied by upper caste people.
▪︎a dalit student got good score in an exam, the teacher said that a dalit could get high score why can't you (he insulted that dalit boy) and all MBC & BC students will go to tuition anandraj sir.
▪︎etc., etc., etc., etc.,
Suraj sir is so enlightening but most of so called forward caste or suppressor will never acknowledge their suppression on suppressed as said even Dalit Doctors are not free from this Brahaminical patriarchy even after studying and passing from same Institution to be a Doctor
Thank you Faye, for introducing such a brilliant mind to us, your viewers; some of us, like me, who didn't know that such a person existed, until I saw this video!!!
Dr Suraj your mere existence in a public platform itself has a huge impact
Very good conversation when two intlactul come together
I learnt something today!
Maa'm Dalit is not a constitutional or a appropriate word. Constitutional word is schedule cast, so I just want that as a responsible Journalist you should use schedule cast 🙏
There are many scheduled castes ...Dalits are one of them...along with a long list of tribals ...since this has a reference to the Dalit class of the scheduled caste ...she is referring to them as Dalits...I don't think she means to disrespect the constitution.
There are two types caste::: oppressors caste-savarna caste
Oppressed CASTE ::: de-pressed caste aka Dalits (in Hindi)
Schedule caste acknowledge by the Britishers
Scheduled caste is an umbrella term. There are many castes within that. She isn't wrong.
@@NidzShah-ps6kr Dalits means who faced oppression there are obc/sc/st collective term ( why using Dalits mean stiil they are being oppressed in the worlds largest democracy and not even acknowledged by the govt)
While obc/sc/st are bahujan aka mulnivasi
Dalit means lower caste in Hindi . Nothing else
One word - Enlightened
He is a classic example of the power of education ........this is the only way to progress in our nation......more power to the likes of him..........
The manuvads continue to exploit the shudras, dalirs and adhivasis, as they are not educated, they don't even feel the exploitation, subjugation and humiliation for 3000 years Things can be explosive if they realize this truth.
I may not agree with some statements but it is absolutely a learning session for me. Awesome and good job Faye.
This is a very beautiful discussion. Every points every words you guys nail them. I could listen this for another hour. Thankyou Faye.
you don't have to be a victim of any kind of to be Dalit or feminist ally, you just have to be honest human being with empathy and stand for equality just and truth
Sc St OBC Minority need to come together to fight against Bramhanwad. Mr. Suraj v Enlighten talk. Thank you Disuza man for such fruitful discussions. Cheers
Suraj’s presentations and knowledge should be used for welfare and progress of the society.
Thank You So Much for having this discussion. You have shown what true journalism is ... Proud of You Faye.
Also very much impressed with the knowledge of Dr Suraj
Immense respect to both of You....
Before all that known first-ever freedom fighters there was Baba Tilka Majhi an Adivasi who initiated a freedom fight against the British in the year 1784 around 70 years before Mangal Pandey. Sidhu Murmu and Kanhu Murmu led the great rebellion of Santali Hul against the British in the year 1855 in which 30000 adivasi were martyred which Indian historians never mentioned.
Those who deride reservations on grounds of merit hypocritically find capitation-docs&engg meritorious because major chunk of these jokers come from the moneyed class and it’s anybody’s guess which castes hv monopoly over money ...
Jai Bheem to Suraj Sir...
20:51 superb hahahahha brahman advisors
This issue needs to be addressed on all platforms. Not only when it suits the newsroom needs. It's a long-drawn issue. That needs to be discussed as much as possible. Because this system has to go.