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About me: I initially had a clothing company that tanked. However, that experience taught how incredibly expensive it is to outsource your content creation. This prompted me to learn everything I could about photo and video. Shooting video and photo was the aspect of the business I enjoyed the most, so I made the tough decision to focus on those disciplines. Just like you, I’m still learning but I still want to share my experience with you because I love watching videos basically anything related to film photography and video. I hope you’ve taken something useful from watching my channel. It’s been proven that subscribers to my channel are 47% happier than non-subscribers. Food for thought.
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Somebody else speaks my language, his name is Zain. I agree with you 1,000% on everything you stated in this video. Damn Straight Talk. Here's my two pennies worth of salt, a new life in photography starts with a creative desire, and moves slowly into your first digital camera. And you should use it until you learn composition, framing, colour balance, metering, aperture, shutter speed.... and so on, and once you get comfortable with your digital camera then you can start thinking about film photography, I said thinking about film photography ..... not shooting film. Dive deeply into why you want to do it, and ask yourself - will this creative desire I have - pass, or is this merely an interest or hobby I have now found that appeals to my creative nature, or is this something I want to pursue as a viable alternative to what I do now. So this was an absolutely brilliant video Zain, it takes some serious insight to speak frankly just as you just have. Cheers mate, well done.
Wow, appreciate this so much Clarhett!
Or just do what you like with your money and free time and let people enjoy things without needing to be experts or having some profound implication behind them...
Too late now? I’ve been shooting film for three years now, and I’ve probably spent a thousand dollars on this hobby and I love it and now I’m shooting Ekatchrome all the time on my Canon F-1 and it’s amazing, and I’m developing and scanning myself so it’s significantly more inexpensive and I love the entire process, literally
Yes, that's amazing. I guess I'm speaking based on my own personal experience. That's awesome that you love the process and are shooting film regardless. You've already won since you've committed to getting better.
@@ZainRiza yes it’s nice cause at the end of the day it’s me my camera my film and the photons of light being absorbed into said film to magically come together into a beautiful masterpiece of a shot or a dumpster fire all depends I guess😂❤️
@@ZainRiza and at the end of the day to me the ends justifies the means, because honestly the way I’d like to shoot film is like I was in the 60’s and 70’s shooting it as if it’s the only way to take photographs to take my time on more serious work but you also gotta live a little and have fun with it too like family gatherings or vacations and so on
Nothing quite like pulling your first roll of film out of the Patterson tank and going... WOW, I did this!!!!
Nice!! E100 is my favourite colour film and although I usually shoot it in my 1V I do have a roll in my F1 right now. Which F1 do you have?
I think the limiting side of film is a great way to improve quickly, I don’t think it should be your sole means of shooting however. I absolutely prefer the slow methodical photography of analog but without a doubt the ease of digital should not be ignored. As a learning tool the instant feedback is great initially, but the slowed down methods of shooting film and in particular medium format force you to think more and definitely allow you to improve quickly provided you put in the effort and are mindful of your shooting. But only if you are putting in the effort, which arguably you could still do with digital albeit you might not feel the same pressure.
Edit: also I realise this comment might seem like I’m disagreeing with you but actually I really do agree with you in entirety, my points relate to once you’ve got some experience, which as you say is necessary.
Dude, I totally understood that you were agreeing with me. You just addressed this issue from a different perspective and shared your valuable insight. I should thank you for taking this discussion further! Appreciate it.
You made some great points man. But I will say the fastest way to learn anything is trial by fire. Losing money by not properly exposing/framing/etc is a great teacher to a new student of film photography
I totally agree trial-by-fire is the most effective way. That's what I meant by shooting freely and carelessly. I'd argue that digital is better at teaching since you can see immediately the mistakes you've made. You don't have to pay or wait to see those mistakes. Thanks for taking the discussion further. Appreciate it.
Nope, for a mindset like mine those costs just build an ever increasing mental block to go out and shoot.. I am already too much of a perfectionist, mistakes are already painful I don't need them costing money too..
@@digitalspecter Exactly my point. Film is also unique in that the image could be ruined in the development and scanning process that have nothing to do with your ability as a photographer. Furthermore, it's very difficult for a beginner to figure where in the process the mistake was made, i.e. your competence as a film developer has nothing to do with your competence as a photographer.
This is an incredibly important video which I hope a lot of beginners and experienced photographers watch. I completely agree about starting with digital first before moving onto film..even if it is just to learn the basics of exposure. I love shooting film. Its great that you've made a video to look at the flip side of this. These kinds of videos help start a proper conversation about the topic and allow people to look at this subject from all sides. Great work! Great Photos!
Yeah man. I think shooting film gets over-romanticised. I'm just trying to stop beginners from making the same mistakes like me. If I had seen this video when I first started out, I would've saved myself a lot of money and time. I love film way more than digital without a doubt, but my main priority is getting better photography: that's core message of this video.
some of us like to do things the hard way just to suck at it for longer, because we crave the struggle and self-punishment. 🤷♂️ My goal isn't to be good at photography, my goal is to enjoy living life and shooting shitty photos because it makes me smile.
Don't let anyone tell you what to do or what not to do. Do you, do what makes YOU happy!
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yep you hit the nail on the head.thank you I agree all the way
great minds.
totally agree with you man. i start my photography with film and looking back at my old photos it's a rubbish..lol. then i start using digital, learnt the fundamentals there, understand the rules by not burnt my wallet. now after 6 years, taking out my film camera back with that confident and fun feeling.
i take this film as an escape since digital already being my daily job and sometimes it burning me out. excellent video man, subscribed!
YES Kury! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you for subscribing!
Im new to camera photography in general. Ive only ever used my phone. I recently bought a dslr (used and a little older) and I love it. I also happened to come across a cannon a-1 and an ae-1 program for $80 for the pair and a nice Pentax spotmatic for $5 lol so I started shooting film as well. I know the majority of the film shots are going to be bad but it feels good shooting film.
Nice one, man. You're very lucky to get both of those Canons for such a good price. Did they come with lenses?
Some interesting points mate! Loved the pacing of this video too. I shot digital for years before moving to film. So I'd have to agree! I think I learnt a lot quicker that way. But I think film has definitely helped me hone those skills in. One thing to note, is film really that more expensive if you consider the pace at which + how often digital shooters upgrade their cameras/lenses? Also, film cameras generally hold their value for resale while digital ones don't. Great video! Got me thinking haha
You're right. I have kinda simplified this problem and not taken into account how often people upgrade their kit. However, this video is specifically about beginners and where they should start their journey and which route would get them shooting consistently. Beginners don't really upgrade their kit. You kinda stop becoming a beginner once you've upgraded your kit once or twice, right? Haha. I guess shooting digital can help you decide what kinda photographer you want to be (landscape, street, portrait) and then film can help you perfect your voice (your specific niche/USP) as it were. I really appreciate you taking the discussion further.
I completely agree. I started photography when I was16 years old with my father’s old Topcon RE Super. I even studied back in the films days and developed and printed my own photos. But I learned more in 1 month with with my first DSLR than I had in years of film photography and was able to dramatically improve my photos ... now 25 years after I last developed my own film I’m buying a fully manual film camera again so I can enjoy the process more with the knowledge I’ve gained through digital photography.
I love to hear this. Amazing that this resonates with you even though you're way further down the journey than I am!
Awesome video mate!
Thank you Pieter!
Subbed. You have a great camera presence my guy!
thank you, Anon!
Dood. Video quality is skyrocketing!
Edit: Also, incredible fotos
DOOOOD haha thank you!
I feel this 100%.
glad this resonates with you
Oh my god, that is literally what I do! I start with Fujifilm X-T3 for The first 2.5 years of my photography journey. Up until now, there is almost 75k picture in my gallery since I keep practicing the photography rules and trying new creative way of shooting. Just recently I join film community with Olympus OM-10 and Canon A-1. The experience was amazing and I did enjoy the process of developing film. It’s like magic happened in front of your eyes Hahaha. I did agree you better off with digital first since you will learn a lot of rules and you will get instant outcome with digital compared to film (the most important things, will not break your bank).Thanks for inspiring me to keep going! Stay Safe!
Amazing stuff, Farhan. It's the best way to learn in my opinion.
I’m a mater of a few months, I went from a Nikon FE to a Mamiya 645 1000s and then got a Canon A1 and a Yashica MAT-124. Tell me I don’t have a problem
hehe we all do
Great video !!!
Thank you, Zombie Willy!
Quite wise words for such young man...
Yay I'm young! Thank you for those kind words.
I totally agree with you! I've been using a dslr for almost 7 years now and I've learned so much from that so moving into film photography is a nice way to keep my hobby alive. I've seen so many people jumping on the film photography bandwagon and not understanding basic photography concepts. I've met people who doesn't understand the meaning of iso and they just randomly purchase iso 200 films and use them to shoot in low light conditions and then blame it on their camera for the underexposed and shaky images.
You're joking me hahaha. It takes a great deal of maturity to understand taking photos regardless of the medium is more important than shooting film haha
How is this only a few thousand viewers!!?? Your video is very enjoyable love every shots and storytelling.. very underrated! U deserve more! 🥰
haha I don't know! Thank you so much. Perhaps you could share it with a friend who likes film photography themselves? Either way thanks for the support.
Great advice! Your advice sounds just like my father’s. I wasn’t allowed to touch his Canon A1 until now…10 years later. Before that I had to prove to him that I was able to take great pictures with a Canon 60d and a kit lens. And the pictures should look good without editing them. When he thought I had become better, I was upgraded to 35mm f/1.4 and a 85mm f/1.4 prime lens that suited to my type of style. What a night and day it was to go from a kit lens to those prime lenses! And finely now he has handed me down one of his Canon A1❤
You're very fortunate to be in possession of such a legendary camera. I love mine so much I think I might buy another just because haha
I started on digital, picked up film a year later as a hobby but continued to shoot digitally for sixth form. I've shot so much on digital and I feel I learnt enough that I'm happy with a large portion of shots that come from a roll. Yeah my photography maybe improving as time goes on but I don't feel some of my old photos are actually bad photography. Unless it when I was starting out obvs.
Nice one! To be fair, I have a handful of photos from years ago that I still really like.
I've had this canon A1 for about 10 years passed down 2 generations and you make me scared to see my first test prints, but I've thrown away so many hobbies away and one thing I've always loved was film. Im excited to start my 35mm journey hopefully I have fun and don't have to worry about the cost.
haha don't be worried. I'm just giving a heads up. So you can be prepared.
Im late to the topic, but I kind of agree with you, because that's how i started off. Took a photography class at my university and u had to buy a digital camera for it. I was an amateur that didn't know shit about photography and cameras. Even through the final lessons in class, I still struggled to understand how cameras work. Shortly after that, I had to take another photography class, but this time, using 35mm slr cameras. I kind of knew how to use them, due to taking the previous class, but still struggled. It was about halfway through that class that I actually started to grasp how cameras worked. I started to have fun and collect various cameras and now i prefer shooting film cameras, rather than digital. Im by no means a professional, but I consider it a hobby that I want to study and excel in.
That's awesome that you've found a balance that works for you! That's what it's all about.
He honestly does have a point. But the thing about starting primarily with film and moving to shooting both film and digital is that shooting film helps you be selective and more “thoughtful” of course . The thing about only shooting film is the problem because you have no where to transfer that talent to. Film does give you a canvas but you have to paint and paint and paint for you to become an artist.
Yup, exactly and not everyone can afford to constantly keep painting enough to become an artist. Likewise, a lot of beginners might give up painting after only a few attempts and let their brushes and canvas gather dust.
this was a fantastic video. i know this might not have been your goal but I think this video will blow up, because its lowkey controversial in nature. its title is just the right amount of "huh???!!" that makes a viewer want to see what you have to say. great job Zain
Ideally, I'd like every video to blow up haha. Sometimes to make an interesting video you gotta poke some bears haha. So glad you enjoyed it man!
You called me out. Defi something you don’t wanna hear while carrying a new A-1 outta post office. Gotta lend a digicamera from somewhere to practice settings before shooting and praying for Zain Riza quality photos. 😁
😂 haha that's kind of you to say. I'm not trying to call anyone out! I'm just trying to look out for people earlier in the journey. Just putting out advice I wish I had when I first got started.
I agree with you. Everything you said is right. I hope everyone takes it as an eye-opener versus you bashing film photography. Look at your options for a digital camera first before jumping straight into the film. So you can get your feet wet and learn everything you need to know about photography first. I just recently started to get into photography and I love the process of the film. At same film is super expensive. Thank you for doing this video though.
Thank you, Gary! One of my aims is to help detach people from the emotions of shooting film and try keep one's primary aim with photography to be mastering their craft and shooting more photos. In the beginning I was tempted into film and ended up collecting cameras and racking up huge costs in servicing and maintenance. I just wish someone had told me in the beginning that film isn't everything and that getting good photos is what it's all about. I've learnt that true fulfilment comes from making progress in your images not collecting cameras and film. I love film and will shoot it for as long as we have it.
Buy a $35 C41 kit and you can develop up to 20 rolls on your own. Even with buying an Epson V600 scanner you will be saving money after your first ten rolls compared to sending it off.
Yeah I know I didn't include the cost-savings from home development and scanning haha. But in any case I think that would still support my argument. I should've added that the cost per photo stays the same with film even if you develop/ scan at home, whilst with digital cost-per-photo goes down with every photo, hence why you'd be more likely to commit to getting better at photography.
1:29 is gold and funny af. Love the BGM still, seems both modern and classical, and vibeyy!! By the way you are so CUTE !!!
Thank my mum for my cuteness. Again appreciate the support!
Is doing both effective? My dads a photographer and he gave me a nice digital and film camera, is shooting both ok?
Yes, you can try two ways. Me too. And it is funny to learn 2 different ways.
YUP. That's what I do.
This is true, I'm new to film and photograghy and out of a roll of 36 exposures I may end up with only 1 or 2 good photos the others no matter how much care I take with them somthing is just off. Not quite in frame, under exposed or wrong f stop choice. But I still enjoy it. But I take better photos on my 10 year old Sony Mirrorless. Film is just enjoyable but not necessarily the most practical.
Yep it's far more enjoyable shooting film. However, even as I type this I just messed up a roll of film and I have no idea what I did to it.
This is just your plan to hoard all the film for yourself innit!! INNIT!! 😤
If I could afford it! haha
Facts.
Appreciate it Nathan!
Impeccable calculations my man. But seriously justified, because times have changed and people really need to accept the reality that unless you have a stable income to afford such a pasttime, it's simply not feasible. I would argue that these days 10,000 photos should be more like 100,000 photos because these digital cameras be having some wild continuous burst rates ( i definitely don't use that feature pssh what >_>) oh yeh and film needs to be digitized these days anyways so what the hell.
Aaaah just when film photography prospects couldn’t get bleaker, it’s now100k photos 😆
@@ZainRiza half of those photos are probably duplicates or out of focus shots of the same thing because autofocus.
I have been using a dslr for 25 years and my keeper rate is still about 3%. I got a canon A1 last year and started shooting film after a 30 year hiatus. I enjoy some of the photos I get on film. My photos are better with digital, but it is not always about that. I love to slow walk around my city and take film photos.
enjoyment is key
the algorithm is trying to tell me something by recommending this lol. good stuff
The algorithm never makes mistakes either...haha
Just held down the shutter on my dslr for few hours. 11,345 of my worst photos. I can’t wait to shoot bangers from now on.
nice one
Film is too expensive to start with these days
YES! That's the point I'm making. I'm assuming that people watching are trying to become as good as they possibly can at photography, not someone who shoots 1 roll a year for a bit of fun so they can share a couple of photos with their friends on IG. As a beginner, the financial and emotional burden of film will most likely put up too many hurdles between them and the 10k photo threshold, where the beginner stops being a beginner and starts taking great photos. That's why I shot with digital in the beginning to get me off the ground, and why I still shoot digital alongside film.
@@ZainRiza I shot film when I started because the school provided it, but switched to digital as well because it’s so much easier than film when you’re learning. Nothing hurts more than developing a roll, only to find out all your shots are over or under exposed! All that money down the drain 😭 So learning about exposure on digital, it’s way better because you see your results in real time and can tweak your settings from there until it’s like second nature. I recently got the x100v and I wish I would have got it sooner. The x100 line is great if you want that vintage and film feel with the simulations, but don’t want to spend a ton of money on film to learn how to shoot good pictures. It’s my go to camera now when I don’t want to shoot film!
Not true. Film was more expensive when I started out in the 70's if you adjust for inflation. Buy less Starbucks and all the other crap in your life and invest in photography. Or just use your phone and pretend you're a photographer.
Can someone please suggest me a dslr probably something cheaper but not bad-something I can grow into and use for next 3 years (I love doing street,landscape and night as well)
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That's super kind of you.
Completely agree man. So glad I shot digital for years before getting into film. Got all my "shite" photos out of my system. I still make shit photos sometimes of course but I would be so depressed if I took my shit photos I did 4 years ago compared to the shit now. Good job man. Hilarious hipster voices.
Yes, Alex. So glad my message got through to you loud and clear! I'm a man of many voices haha
I'm still taking shite photos to this day, even with a better digital camera. Henry cartier bresson told me to 'git gud' in a dream one time and I woke up with a damp pillow
I agree. But I shoot both!
Best of both worlds!
£20 for high dev and scan quality?!? You need to use Kirklees Photographic
Haha yeah I'm well aware that there are cheaper labs in the UK. That £20 is based off the high-end labs here in London. I deliberately chose the highest price point to really sell the point. Even with a cheaper lab, the total cost of 10k photos would dwarf that of an old digital camera.
I really liked the colors and tone of the colors of the photos Zain. Do you do anything in post to them? For some reason it didnt look like Portra 160 to me hhahah
I always add my own spice 😉
@@ZainRiza they looked great!
no lies detected. but the real ones will always persevere.
MUCH LOVE!
You made some good points, but it’s kinda disappointing to hear. I’ve been to a graphic design school (which I finished) and had photography class for about three years. Before I knew nothing about taking photos, now I know more, but the class sucked so I still don’t know much about the technical stuff, which is a bummer cause it’s really important. I’m a really intuitive person and I always relied on that when taking digital pictures. That’s not possible with film, cause you won’t see the results until they’ve been developed.
Through the years I took a lot of pictures and some I really love, but there is something about digital photos that doesn’t appear to me and because of that, taking photos isn’t as enjoyable to me no more. No matter how good the photo is, it’s doesn’t give the look only film can achieve. So I’m quite torn, cause I just can’t get to love digital but I also don’t have money to waste on rubbish looking film. I don’t even wanna pursue a career as a photographer, I just wanna document moments in my life as best as possible.
How long did it take you to become skilled enough to photographing reliable in film? And what do you think about digital camera lenses that are imitating the film “aesthetic”?
I have no issue with using filters to create certain looks. It makes photography fun. It took a good 2-3 years of near daily practise to feel really comfortable with shooting film and getting somewhat consistent results. I think I came up with a routine that I really enjoyed that helped me be consistent.
lmao i felt like this was 100% about me my first camera was a pentax k1000 my second camera was a hasselblad 500 cm 3 months later had no fuckin clue what i was doing at first but youtube university is a great tool. came across this video because I just picked up an A1 and can't wait to get my first rolls shot. never owned a digital started out in 2015 and even still this video made me seriously consider buying a digital. good video man you stated some extremely valid points
haha glad it resonated with you on a deeper level
OHH these shots tho
OOOH THANK YOU!
First of all, if you call it a hobby, you're probably going to be the kind of person who gives up. If this isn't your burning passion or your life's delight, just use your phone. Film forces you to INVEST in your photography. No pain, no gain. You learn from your mistakes, and you won't unless you PAY for your mistakes. If the cost is too much for you, it's not important enough to you to become excellent. Don't be a poser. Follow your passion at whatever cost. And forget the 10,000 exposure thing. That's Bresson being an idiot. Just because his first images were bad doesn't mean yours will be. That said, you will get better if you PAY ATTENTION to what you are doing and can ascertain what your mistakes are teaching you.
So, as a photographer who started in 1971 shooting slide film(NO room for error)I can tell you my absolute LOVE for shooting far outweighed the countless errors. Love hurts. PAY YOUR DUES.
Going to stop using electricity and water and start eating dust so I can fuel passion for film photography. Thank you!
I normally don‘t click on videos with titles like this, I don‘t want some random guy on TH-cam to tell me why I need to do this, stop that, buy one thing or another, all that while pretending to be some kind of god that knows everything and only THE BEST for YOU (without even knowing you. But this video was actually great. Good, strong points you gave there to support your message and I agree, I totally agree with you. I was gifted my first (cheap) digital camera as a child, four years ago I bought my first DSLR. Last year I switched to mirrorless, it seemed like the right thing to to for me and I can stand 100 percent behind that decision. Was my purchase REALLY necessary? Maybe not entirely, something like 75 %. It‘s smaller, lighter, faster, has focus peaking, shows me pictures immediately, has a tilting screen, that‘s about it. But shooting with it is a true joy to me. I digress. Now I‘m really interested in film photography and its funny to see how I use exactly the same arguments you listed in the video, about intentionalism and things like that. I‘m not what I would call a great photographer. I never shot as much as I wanted to afterwards. I neglected this interest more than I would like to admit. But maybe I could consider myself somewhat decent, sometimes good. Now, my grandfathers old cameras finally started to get me off the sofa and I want to use that momentum to shoot more, both digital and film. I want to put more time and effort into the hobby, not shooting only on vacation and such things. Your video made me realize that I need to shoot digital way more to learn and gather experience (while shooting film for fun and less often, just occasionally) and at some point I may be able to shift more towards film. Slowly and steadily, all with patience. Thanks for being an honest voice out there, that‘s not trying to sell something to people who are new at this topic.
Thank you so much for this. Glad you understood that film photography is more than just tonezzz haha
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💪 thank you, Neil!
hehe and i'm to scary to take a digital Photo too... shutter-counter :D
I'm sure you're perfectly approachable.
Between the Canon A1 and Mamiya RZ 67 which one you would recommend? I know they’re different but I’m stuck in between the two
loool these cameras couldn't be more different haha. If you're a beginner, I'd probably get the A1. If you've got a bit of experience and you enjoy a slower style of shooting and have the money to fork out for 120 film and processing then the RZ would be good. Ultimately, it comes down to what you value the most. If you want the biggest negative possible then RZ. I don't really care about that stuff. I value portability and speed so I use the A1.
@@ZainRiza 😂😂 I know sorry for comparing the two! I think I’ll stick with a 35mm for now I’m in between Canon A1 or the Olympus OM 1
Yep yep yep. Amen.
*fist bump*
2 years late, however while good points were made, many many colleges and places of education, will throw you into film and dark room first
that's interesting. I still stand by what I said.
the only valid point in this video is the thing about money. The argument that someone cannot learn photography by shooting film it's completely off. Also the good and bad photography in the way you talk about it, like it's something totally objective, it's something that does not apply to everyone. If someone wants to learn how to write, firstly he should learn to use a pencil and not a keyboard. The fact that the analogue way in photograpy nowdays is much more expensive and slower as procedure than the digital, does not in any sence mean that someone will learn for sure or quicker with a digital camera. Someone that wants just to impress people, will simply fail both in digital and in film. It's not the medium you choose that will make you learn, but the commitment you put on your need to learn. If you are serious about learning photography and not just another fraud who wants to make youtube videos and receive instagram likes, you will find your way either from film or digital.
thank you for sharing!
Luckily the cost for scanning film is quite acceptable in Vietnam, only the price for one film roll is absolutely high 😂
yep film is getting silly in price now
well i’m buying film but just the disposable so yk....
I don't know how often you buy disposable cameras, but you're better off buying a point and shoot and buying the cheapest film on the market. You'll save more money and get better results.
Just bought a canon A1 and this popped up in my recomendations KDSBFVKB solid advice tho
haha I don't know what "KDSBFVKB" means but thank you.
@@ZainRiza its the verbal representation of slamming my head on a keyboard
Damn so my first 10,000 photos are gonna be shit but once I hit that 10,001 photo mark, I’m a fucking professional.
Hahaha yes!
@@ZainRiza god bless ya man and your videos. They're helpful as hell
Also if you have a manual mode on your phone, it's the same gd principle. So well before the first time I picked up a film camera I was already pretty well adept at setting my iso, shutter, and f/stop. I can't be the only one who shot that way before picking up a film camera and eventually picking up a mirrorless. Also that fear argument? If you're afraid to take a photo (regardless of your gear) then gtfo.
Still all this being said, mad props to your game and channel. I really do enjoy your videos, I just across the board disagree with any kind of dictation about what people should start on. It's not a...black and white thing *winky face*.
@@mattiejane9628 I think you're taking his opinion too seriously. Obviously everyone has different capabilities and preferences. It seems like you were just ready to hit the streets and get all the bangers then ya? Amazing. Most people aren't like that though. It takes time to build up. Healthy disagreements made, Zain is trying to help people feel comfortable with being proud to shoot digital too. 👍
@@AlexOnStreets thank you again for responding. Couldn’t have said it better.
Only way to get experience is to do it. Who cares what your friends think. Who cares about posting the photos. It’s literally worth it for the experience of taking 10k photos to pay 7k.
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4:21 you r so funny lol
hehe thank you
Damn, I am a stupid TH-camr. 😅*holding my A1* 2:54 was so lovely with the roses. 3:04 darth grandma 😂 3:02 damn that's awesome. In Germany if you only shoot kodak gold and only develop in the drugstore and scan yourself 10k photos cost 1500€. I think I need to invest more than 10k photos to become good 😆.
Haha the "stupid youtuber" was a reference to one of my early videos about the canon A1. Haha yeah film is so expensive, man. It's also so disheartening every time a film stock gets discontinued or prices go up.
Dan my man, but did you start off photography with film or did you make the switch somewhere along the way?
@@JayRegular I wish I had. But I started with a canon until I had back pain from carrying it and switched to fuji.😅 I started with film 2 years ago and quickly realized that it's exactly what I've always missed in photography.😀
@@TheBigNegative-PhotoChannel mm so that means we still learnt a bit of photography with digital first. It makes transition to film much more easy and enjoyable. I just know if I picked up a film camera first I would hate how slow it is 🤣 but since I experienced the ease of digital, it made me appreciate the slow and challenging experience of analogue
@@JayRegular actually i find that film is only so difficult depending on what camera you use. i also have an eos 30v so it doesn't feel any different than a normal digital camera except that you can't chimp. 😀 you have to lose respect for the learning curve first then film is just as flexible as digital.
Hahahaha but it will be! 😂
LOOOOOOOOOOL
This is what click bait titles get you... stupid comments galore. For what it's worth I watched the entire video and found your points to be valid.
Stupid comments galore? That's not very nice to say about the other viewers.
1,000% true. I tire of the hipsters and their cat photos taken with their mamiya just cos they saw Willem take amazing photos of logs with one 😂
hahaha careful now! Totally agree with you though.
nah sorry I think jump in & get going if you wanna be serious, don't buy an expensive camera but take loads of photos! learn from your mistakes & improve quickly! if you just do it for fun then this will apply for sure as you won't have the same drive as someone wanting to be a serious photographer!
good insight
You got a problem
judging from your profile picture, I'd say you do too.
I’ve taken more than 10000 photos. It’s called video. Am I a professional photographer now? No. I like the clank to film cameras. I like the feel. And if you know how to expose photos and focus you’re fine. I don’t care it’s fun. It’s what I like to do. But film lenses on digital cameras is better starting out probably. And make the experience more realistic with a crappy sd card.
If that works for you, then rock on! 😃
Ansel Adams shot film. So did Ernst Haas. And about, oh, millions of other photographers, including professionals. Nothing wrong with learning multiple formats. Just learn how to shoot correctly. It will improve your overall photography.
This doesn't really disprove my point but thank you for sharing anyway!
* insert any hobby in title *
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damn this video just totally shat all over my parade. anyone wanna buy my gear?
lol you don't need to do that
@@ZainRiza 🤣
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Analog photography was expensive, is expensive and always will be. Digital photography is cheaper to start with, but this is largely due to the fact that much less is printed these days.
If you add up image processing programs, hard drives for archiving, a good computer every 4 years, a smartphone to share on social media, the associated cellphone contract and so on...
digital photography probably costs no more or less than analog.
In the end, the money is gone anyway and what remains is the memory of a hobby that I hope you enjoyed.
I think the storage and sharing costs are the same regardless of film and digital. Film scans need to be stored on hard drives, but I see your point. Thank you for sharing!
The purpose of starting off on film is to work and learn slower. Starting off on digital makes it more likely that you will spray and pray instead of learning composition. Working on film can also make your photography more deliberate by having more preplanning of your assignments before you go out shooting. I say this as someone that started off on a dslr and took around 50,000 mediocre to awful photos in my first 6 months of photography. The digital camera gives a beginner the illusion that you're going to be gifted lots of easy and awesome shots.
If you aren't making the effort to actively improve your composition and get feedback and tips from professional photographers, you can shoot 100k shots and still be a mediocre photographer. Henri's 10k quote is also probably in reference to improvement as a photographer over years of taking photos.
There's some reasonable points here, but those first 6 months is still extremely early days into one's journey, so it's not long enough to draw any conclusions. I would argue that the illusion of getting great images is more applicable to film to be honest, but that's just me. The conscious effort to get better goes without saying, regardless of digital and film. I also forgot to mention that there are more stages in the film process where an image gets ruined, as opposed to digital: light leaks in the camera, screwing up the development and scanning process, contaminated chemicals, film tearing in the camera, jammed rolls of film, etc. None of these mistakes have anything to with one's ability to compose and read light and it's difficult to diagnose the root cause of these mistakes as a beginner. Yes, I know, SD cards and hard drives can corrupt as well, but this is far, far less likely. I'm not saying you can't learn photography with film; just saying it's not what I'd recommend.
Edit: Also, your initial 50k shots on digital, I'd argue, undoubtedly accelerated your growth and progression.
F.B is absolutely right. This guy is a hobbyist. If you're SERIOUS about photography, you'll ignore his misguided advice. It's built on assumptions that aren't necessarily true.
if you suck on film you also suck on digital cameras and vice versa. it's not about film or digital it's about being aware of what you are photographing. maybe photography isn't for you then?
I don't think I agree with that logic. You're assuming people can't improve, which obviously isn't true.
I see what you did there. You just want to keep film cameras cheap until you get your gear aquisition syndrome under control! To anyone reading this he's lying. Film photography is addictive and fun! And all those crappy shots give you the perfect medium to practice home developing. I think Kodak puts cocaine in D76, once you smell it, you want more!!! 😂
you got me!
Omg… u sounds like u know it all and others don’t… people learn by practicing and people make research ,not everyone is just point and shoot
It seems like you didn't watch my video at all.
Great brilliant, what nonsense! So what about people like me who were born in the 60s and come the 80s we only had film cameras. We had to learn about film speed, shutter speed and aperture. I left photography in the early 2000s and came back to it last year, I bought a Canon mirrorless camera, and soon realised I could teach a chimpanzee to take great pictures with it! Look through he view finder, if you dont like what you see, change the 3000 setting options you have, until the picture in the view finder is "exactly " what you want, at between 7 and 23 frames per second and 500 mega pixels I'm pretty sure at least one picture will be good, but if not don't panic, go home and switch on Light Room or photoshop and change everything that your £10,000 camera didn't do, and change the picture into what you wanted in the first place! You will be surprised to learn after 6 months I sold the talentless idiot proof camera, and bought an Olympus analogue camera, and now I'm back to judgement, skill and anticipation, I feel like a photographer again, and not a fraud pretending to be one! But saying all that, yes I agree with you that because of "today's" prices for film and developing are absolutely ridiculous it probably is best to "learn" on digital make all you mistakes there, and then if the true experience of old school film attracts you go for it. I suppose I'm remembering a time when film was the only choice and it was soooooooo cheap to buy and develop, even for a skint teenager! Please excuse me for being old!
You can still shoot film if you want.
😈😈 I’ve takin at least 20k photos…. They still suck so there fore his quote is wrong 😤😤😤
gad dangit.
Lay off the edge lord contrarianism, juicy bro.
thank you Chumleyok. Noted.
Beginners sound absolutely shoot film, learn exposure at it's core. No auto settings, no post production etc
Composition as well.
Yeah film sucks
Digital is worse
I hate photography
I hate photographers
haha Diego. You're like the Joker of TH-cam film photography. Appreciate it, man!
Incorrect. Couldn’t be more wrong.
great point.
I’m in this video and I don’t like it
sorry...?
@@ZainRiza it’s a joke on how relatable this is (re Facebook “report photo” option)
Unwatchable crap
could you make a video and show me how to do it properly, please?
I think this is horrible advice. I don't even feel the need to expound upon how click baity and wrong this whole thing is. Don't assume the position of what anyone is starting in photog for, and just stick to your lane of actual photog education and review. It's not just you, tons of TH-camrs try this angel and it's not cute on anyone, stop. That being said I'm a fan, but you're wrong, not to mention that this kind of messaging is condescending af. The monetary concerns of film are valid, but mostly everyone shooting film in 2021 has probably considered that and done the research. If dollars and cents is your end goal in photog, that's great, but don't project that onto others, not cool.
Doesn't seem like you actually listened to everything he said in the video.
@John ok Talking about Chodi mate. Should've tagged. Carry on.
Meh it's a hot take, on a hot take. What do you want from me? I just don't see the merit in the discussion. Creative types are some head strong creatures, so at the end of the day they'll decide what format is best for them. There's just as many things that can go wrong with the expensive modern gear like sd cards, adapters breaking, or your warranty expiring and then experiencing a manufacturer defect on your expensive modern camera, just to name a few. So there's trade offs either way. And you can screw up spending money on film/the cost of development and still have fun and grow. Without this pseudo basket case mentality, where you're afraid to hit the shutter button because every exposure costs you money. So like, no disrespect, I'm just not buying.
@@mattiejane9628 Those examples of digital tragedies are pretty extreme and rare compared to the reality that not everyone is making every exposure of a roll count towards the initial investment. I shoot film and digital almost 50/50 these days. Maybe film even more, but the reality is the time I spent getting "good" at photography on any of the number of digital cameras I've had were a better initial investment.
X100F I spent $1000 on and had for 3 years. Got hundreds if not thousands of keepers. Used the same memory card the whole time. Literally shot it in a Japanese Typhoon despite it not being weather sealed. Never had a single issue with it. etc.
Fast forward I now have a Leica M2 I also paid $1000 for. Bought and shot so many rolls already. Good times. I know theirs cheaper cameras I can make examples of like my AE1, but look at me now.: Proper scanner.. $.. software..$...development costs..$..time spent scanning..$
Good time? Great photos? DEFINITELY! But dear god I don't want to do the math on how much it's cost me.
If I had got the AE1 or M2 first just kill me now cause I do at least 1 street session a week. Sometimes 2. DOA bro..
I would type a response, but John and Alex have perfectly responded for me haha. Thank you, chaps!
The crisp of a digital camera disgust me. Even a "bad" or "grainy" film shot has a story behind it.
Disgust?? haha love it.
@@ZainRiza 😂 idk how to explain it , thats my best word for it
STOP putting Background music on videos with NARRATION 🙄 it Only makes it HARDER to hear what your saying 🤷
let me just take down this video and re-edit it for you. Give me 5 mins.