When I was first studying ancient History of India, it was no brainer That Indus valley Civilization did not end and is a continuous civilization till present day. Recent DNA studies only confirms this further. This deciphering is cherry on the top. Thank you for your outstanding work.
@@podaran majorly brahmins have more ivc genome like iyer brahmins have 60% ivc genome 30% central Asian and 10% andamanese . This proves that there was migration but not an aryan migration aryan ppl are the one who have ivc genome ,and hence upper castes have more ivc genome compared to dravidians who have more andamaese genome
@@podaran kid they have only 30% and 60% they have ivc genome , ivc ppl were fair , light brown and brown , not dark like dravidians lol dravidans have hardly 20-30% ivc genome , majority of upper caste have it in high frequency . Dravidians have strong andamanese frequency (50-80%) which is again not found in ivc . Whole upper caste (brahmin , kshtriya , vaishya and sat shudra)have ivc genome ranging (40-60%)
Brilliant presentation and analysis! The scientific methodology adopted and use of probability that we use to solve cryptograms, and after all that hard work to confirm that Brahmi evolved from this! It has been "staring" at us for years!
The reason why it is not "preserved" is because India has been inhabited for several millennia. While the rest of the civilizations perished and the population moved out of the place. I am sure if you dig up the place you stay in, you will find some or the other artefact as was the case with Keeladi excavations/ Sinauli excavations.
This truly groundbreaking research and can become the starting point of a renaissance in the field of Indological research and spread to other areas. Brilliant application of Computer and Information Science to a perplexing and critical problem. I hope the academics working on IKS and Computer Science are alerted and Yajnadevam's work is highlighted everywhere. I will forward this work to Profs. Michel Danino of IIT-G and Makarand Paranjape of JNU.
Absolutely fascinating. The tradition of learning, thought, and analysis, leading to intellectual excellence is a continuation of the model settled by our ancient rishis
This is so brilliant and passes the scientific test. This actually provides space for falsibility which is an essential test for it to be scientific. Another jolt to Aryan invasion/migration/tourism dogma. Bharat is a continuous existing civilisation for atleast 12000+ years
My two cents, this is brilliant and much more refined than anything I have seen on this topic. Again, with full respect, needs to be tested by multiple researchers to validate it like any other scientific discovery. , I would keep implication away from this scientific work here.
This is absolutely groundbreaking material and needs to be urgently recognised in India and the World. I would recommend this be presented to the PM of India, it is worth of a Padma Vibhushan and even Nobel Prize. I hope this is being propagated in the archeology worlds. I would be interested to know if you have tried using this system for Dravidian Language. Also what is your take on the recent research on the word Peelu discovered in Mesopotamia (word for elephant tusk).
Yes, I have tried Dravidian a bit manually since I couldn't find a downloadable dictionary, it doesn't fit the script. People with downloaded dictionaries may have better luck. The pilu word is a joke. It exists in Sanskrit too. Also its unscientific to make a conclusion based on a single word since it could be a false cognate or borrowing doesn't guarantee the source. For example, the word "mobile" may be borrowed from English to Kannada to Tulu. Observers should not conclude "mobile" is a Kannada word.
Path breaking work! Finally it's deciphered and very scientifically done. Congrats. It also refutes all the stupid theories of british origin regarding Indian history which have been floating around since decades. On the other hand, it corroborates the idea of history that the indic viewpoint has always stressed upon, especially in recent years. Now the important part is for this work & the researcher to get official recognition in the system.
It took several hundred years to break the mayan code as per documentary in amazon prime “breaking the mayan code”after watching that I believe this way of deciphering is rational.
Wow... it's like Ureka...Ureka moment for us.After listening to Mr Rao,Mr Reich & many eminent speakers( worker)& being little sceptic about the political buzz of Dravidian vs Aryan...you sounded very convincing.I wish we get longer scripts to further concretise your concepts.
Yajnadevam has finally given enough proof that he has deciphered the script and it's going to make a lot of assumptions topsy turvy. Amazing work as always.
Mind blowing talk! This literally proves the continuity of Vedic civilization and culture. BTW, @yajnadevam any reason that you do not give your real name and identity? It would be awesome to know who is the real life person behind this.
The last Qn by the gentleman regarding a person from Chennai who has deciphered a huge number of symbols of Indus valley scripts without any base was beautifully answered by yajnadevam in his calm style. 1:04:04
Extremely thought provoking presentation. If reproducible, this could be a pathbreaking discovery. It is indeed interesting to note that it is possible to create Rosetta stone to bridge the IVC and the Brahmi scripts through certain epigraphia of the intervening period between IVC and the Ashokan periods. Future discoveries of further epigraphs would help validate Mr. Yajna Devam's approach. On the face of it, it is compelling to accept his argument.
I recently had the opportunity to watch a captivating presentation by Dr. Nisha Yadav on IIT Gandhinagar's channel. During the talk, Dr. Yadav discussed an intriguing seal found in Bahrain that boasts a sequence of signs not found anywhere else in the Indian subcontinent. The presentation led to speculation that the Indus script may have been used to write another language. Can you decipher that seal by using your method and can shed some light about which language it was?
A stunning presentation. Most convincing and logical and verifiable of all the deciphering claims. Wish you all the best to make this mainstream. I have a doubt. May be naive. Different decoration of same symbol is possible and not uncommon as you suggested with different style of 'A'. However if the same inscription using different styles for the same symbol, do you think that is ok? or could it mean a slight variation like capital/small letters?
The first letter (rightmost) is often a decorated letter, like you see in newspaper or book paragraphs. Even mid-inscription, it makes sense to use different forms to make reading easier. You often see this in logos.
@@Pal_Sandeep You have trouble with English comprehension. What part of "West" do you not understand. West means the Western world. almost all scientific knowledge comes from the West, especially from Britain. Improve your English, not your hatred.
@@NordicPolestar i perfectly understood what u said its just that i aam littler hurt that didn't mention Quran. Well it appears u are product of both communist & islamic mixing
This is very good. Did anyone try Prakrut dictionary to decipher the indus valley seals/language? We know that brahmi and prakrut going hand in hand from atleast Ashoka times… we see sanskrit inscriptions much later, most notably gupta perrod
Who the hell told you Sabskrit inscriptions are from Gupta Period. Earliest Sanskrit Inscriptions are from 200B.C Ayodhya and Chittorgarh. Inscription of shunga Era Found in Ayodhya is in Sanskrit written in Priyadarshi Brahmi Inscription mentioning. पुष्यमित्रस्य षष्ठेन 𑀧𑀼𑀱𑁆𑀬𑀫𑀺𑀢𑀲𑁆𑀬 𑀱𑀱𑁆𑀝𑁂𑀦
Yajnadevam, Congratulations and Also thank you for your Brilliant work. Do you have mapping of group of symbols to corresponding sounds that you can share? Like 'ma' sound can be mapped to many symbols, Like what you have at 28:00 in your video, do you have that kind of group of symbols for all sounds? The reason I am asking is, I want to be able to read the script.
All Indian written scripts has combination of alphabets - in Devanagari - there are half and full alphabets and many standard combinations of alphabets and then combining these with 10+ Matras - forming a Swar. My technical knowledge is limited but I guess you get the message - language writing in Bharat is incredibly advanced and complicated
Do you think you would make a whole detailed video for the whole paper on the decipherment. I think it would help in exponential terms in increasing the reach of your research.
*North West India including Afghanistan was familiar with what was then a world lingua franca, the Aramaic script and language (for trading) that was used by the Medes, Persians and Aryans in Afghanistan as early as 1000 BCE. This helped in the evolution of Kharosthi in these areas, while Brahmi evolved in India from the transitory Indus script, say 2000-500 BCE, into a proper script both in the North and South. Further, Indus script and variations gradually involve variations of Brahmi; Brahmi/Sanskrit, Brahmi/ Prakrit, Brahmi/Pali and Brahmi/Tamil.* These references are, courtesy from a book written by Sri M R Mallya, *Ancient India, Search for a true chronology; From origin to 700 AD* Namaste.
In Devanagari - certain alphabets change in style over time but there is no Caps and Small letter - I would ‘assume’ this might be true of Indus Valley Script which might be prototype of later day scripts.
Wonderful! I suggest you start with another set of symbols and show it works or not. Suppose you accept a couple of symbols by Prof. X, and see if it goes anywhere. Or use A couple of letters that are particularly like Brahmi and see if it leads to the same set of alphabet-sound.
The Indus Valley script is variation of Sanskrit parallels between Brahmi and Devanagari fish is very common symbol because these people lived along rivers and ate fish and chanted vedas they were called saraswats since they lived along saraswati river
Indus script is logo-syllabic,where some symbols express ideas or words while others represent sounds. I don't agree that this script is a logo-phonetic script. But neverthless the interpretation of Indus signs with Brahmi characters is quite logical. I just want to add one more observation . There are 400 signs in Indus script. There are about Brahmi script has 368 total numbers of characters including the number of consonants are 33, vowels are 10, and the rest (325) are compound characters. This is a quite big match between Indus script and brahmi script.
@@Kartik-uu2goThose are seals right, if you write it from left to right and made it into a seal, it would be right to left. Idk just a guess. What if they were used as stamps?
Recently i visited an old monolith temple in himachal. It dates back to mahabharat times as per the tales. There I noticed a very repetitive text engraved at many places on the walls. But the symbols of that text doesnt match with qny of the symbols shown in this video. Plz send me any email address of yours where i can send the images
Yajnadevam, thank you for a brilliant presentation. I’m curious to know if you did the language mapping with modern Sanskrit or with Vedic? Also, was mapping attempted with Pali or Old Tamil? Another point that was not clear was the mention of horses or chariot wheels with spokes in the context of IVC. My understanding from some earlier reading is that IVC did not have either. Could you comment on this please?
The language seems to be post-vedic as I did not find any vedic specific constructions. For mathematical reasons, it cannot be mapped to Pali or Tamil or any other language. Horses are mentioned in the inscriptions. Spoked wheels are so common that they form signs in the script.
� the u shaped character is the most found sign in the indus script and in this deciphering different na sounds are assigned some place i see ra sound is also assigned. This is contradicting why would the sign not have a consistent sound despite the sign used the most. also according to the brahmi assignment the U shaped sign is placed with ङ sound but Sanskrit does not have many words with this sound, also its unlikely to be used in the end of a word but in indus its mostly in the end, where न is can be found in the end most in sanskrit.
I think this is brilliant work. However, the clarity and structure in his explanations could be improved so that they are crystal clear. I got the gist of his explanations and his claim of matching with Brahmi, that it would not have been possible unless this is actually what the Indus script is for (his regular expression based decipherment being self correcting, and thus would have a reached a dead end if the language of the Indus script was not Brahmi). However, he could have made a stronger case for the correctness of his decipherment, had he given: 1) alternative but reasonable guesses of the sounds of some symbols to show that they reach a dead end assuming Brahmi to be the language depicted. 2) Try the same for other ancient languages of the time including Sanskrit, ancient Farsi, etc., and show that his method/code reaches dead ends for each of these other languages he tried. Finally, on a sminor negative note, is the issue of a lack of transparency in this presentation: a) his name was not revealed; b) he did not provide a link to his (apparently unpublished paper); c) he also seems a bit too blase about the fact that his paper was (apparently) rejected; just for the sake of establishing this decipherment as the correct one for the sake of human-kind, he should make revisions to it to better explain his method and rationale so that it is published in a prestigious journal. For this, one possibility is collaborating for just the paper writing/revision with Prof. Rajesh Rao from the U. Washington (CS/CSE department?) who has done some work in Indus script decipherment--available on youtube--(though not as comprehensive as here). If that does not work out or is not a good option for him, I offer to collaborate with him to write a better paper (I can just be a minor co-author--my main aim is to get this published, not being a co-author--I have enough paper of my own)--I am a professor of ECE at UIC, have published about 90 well regarded papers in prestigious journals and conference proceedings, and my research areas fall in the related fields of computer engineering and science. My name is Shantanu Dutt, and my univ. email is dutt@uic.edu (please no unsolicited emails from anyone else), in case my offer interests him (and I hope it does for the benefit of humanity).
You are confusing scripts and spoken language. Main hindi mein hi ye likh raha hun. Is Hindi in latin script. Decoding SVC script to Sanskrit via Brahmi script is what Yajavendam has achieved.
The indus script not deciphered not because its undecipherable, its not decipherable because of the politics. Every sane person who knows history already know that indus script has high probability of being Vedic Sanskrit.
Looks about right, am so very happy that these days its the Indians who are proving stuff scientifically, while its the Europeans who are being arrogant and not going by science but by preconceived notions.
Actually numerical question . People used "ka" as negative sign . Our ancestors nevet created new symbols they just used some symbols instead they either used already existed alphabet or they directly gave definitely and procedures to do math instead of creating a new symbol to create formula . And the "ka" im talking is not devnagari "ka" im talking about this "+" from brahmin . Which is identical to ivc "ka" also . U can aks they look diff . Stlines are to use on rock curvature are difficult . But in palm leaves both are easy . Updated versions sequence might be like this IVC updated to BRAHMI updated to SANSKRIT to devanagari may be 👍
I don't think we can rule out the possibility of multiple languages that coexisted in Indus and came to use this form of writing, as scripts can be shared. That is indeed the history of scripts in India when you consider bramhi. Today a single script devanagari is also shared. Granta script was shared by sanskrit in the south. This is all due to the western lens , who only know homogeneity and cannot fathom heterogeneity.
I have also seen a video of gondi language expert Motiraven Kangali's decipherment of Indus valley's script. That was also convincing. Have you any idea about that?
Why you did not mention Elamites language anywhere here? The Dravidians began in south-eastern Iran when Elamites migrating from the west (Khuzistan area) mixed with Eritrean Africans who had settled in the Ormozgan area. These African settlers had crossed Southern Arabia to get to south-eastern Iran and were absorbed by the Elamite migrants, becoming a new people called the Dravidians. The Dravidians migrated to the Indus River valley in 7000 BC, where they mixed further with Nihalis and Adivasis, and later the Mundas. They spread out to occupy the entire Indian sub-continent, but were later confined to the southern part when the Indo-Aryans arrived in India around 1300 BC. Where did the Elamites come from? In 18,000 BC, the Kebarans (Proto-Boreans) arrived in Mesopotamia from the Horn of Africa. In 15,000 BC they split into the Nostratics, the Dene-Daics, the Afro-Asiatics, and the Amerinds. Around 12,000 BC, the Nostratics split into the Elamites, the Kartvelians, and the Eurasiatics (ancestors of the Indo-Europeans, and many others). The Dravidians branched off from the Elamites around 7000 BC. The Elamitic language does resembles Dravidian. Mr.David McAlpin (Researcher) has made a demonstration based on 57 Elamite words (mostly verb stems) paired with corresponding Dravidian terms. The correspondences are, on the whole, straightforward and interlocking. A beginning is made in reconstructing the phonology of Proto-Elamo-Dravidian. Dravidian languages share more than 20% of their vocabulary with Elamite.
Dhanywaad for your Bhagirath task. I have a question about Dholavira signboard decipherment. रक वरारक अररस। The क sound is twice, but we dont see any symbol repeating other than symbol for र Also र sound comes 5 times but the symbol for र appears 4 times
By ur logic, many centuries later when people will see the Elephant statues of Mayawati, they will interpret that people of UP used to eat Elephants. Such a great way to interpret
Why are everyone fixated on the language t they spoke?, I believe in the out of India 🇮🇳 theory so sanskrit and old tamil both evolved on the subcontinent, so it stands to reason that both were probably spoken. And because there were hundreds of cities along the course of the ancient rivers, concurrent cities in the south, and merchants from all of the ancient world coming there, how do you think they communicated? The oldest section of the Rigveda has many "Dravidisanisms" for want of a better term, interwoven into the Sanskrit. There are a few ancient languages that existed in BHARAT Then and still exist now like the tribal languages. So let language rest for a moment. The logic that the speaker is uding6is sound. How do you think akadian, sumerian, linear A and B or even etruscsn was deciphered???
I have read that previous attempts were made by assuming the signs were Sanskrit. How different is your outcome than theirs. Were you able to compare them. And, how many languages have you so far run against the regexp.
No other decipherment is a full decipherment. No other decipherment is actual Sanskrit. They claim "middle indo-aryan" "prakrit" etc, which basically means they invented a language to fit their deicpherment.
@@yajnadevam Thanks much. Appreciate ur response. I have one basic question. You made an assumption that the letters have taken shape during ages and so the circle with or without spokes represent the same letter and so on. If it was really the case, why do you think they used the different forms of the same letter, say, in a seal or an inscription. In practical terms, I think people tend to disregard the usage of the old forms when they adapt a new one.
@@somusundaram7084 This is something we need to study next. My sense is that certain letters/graphemes are used together for certain words. Just like gh is used in rough while f is used in fish for the same sound. In fact there are 5 different grapheme clusters for /f/ in English. If the wrong one is used, it looks odd. Indus probably was the same. Eventually, the civilization advanced to a point where they standardized the script by eliminating duplicates into a smaller set of symbols what we today call Brahmi.
@@yajnadevam Awesome. Thanks so much for the quick response. All the best for your research. Hope you will be recognized by the intellectual community for your work.
11 signs in 17th century by shepherds in Hampi are common with iVC Signs . They are deciphered to be Gondi language .only tribals would have an idea of ivc signs
@@yajnadevam No.. what I mean is - 'we don't know the script but we are deciphering using computer programs' , but the shepherds of 17th century wrote a sentence with those symbols. So it means that their inputs are more valuable than computer programs.
@@uniqguy111 A script can be used for multiple languages, Brahmi was used for Sanskrit, Prakrit and Tamil. Shepherds writing doesn't falsify the laws of information theory.
@@yajnadevam As per wave model of linguistics, there could be already an IE branch in India before Vedic's arrival. However one may bluff, Vedic is not a spoken language (atleast in India) and Sanskrit based inscriptions/coins are attested very late in India(AD only ). So IVC could be any other IE(not Vedic) if script is used for multiple languages.
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He is so unassuming about his achievement. For him it was just a cryptogram. His work needs to be recognised and brought to the mainstream.
mainstream is not going to accept.
@@rigvedickingbharata4055 the work is Solid.
@@gooddayokI agree it is, but most of the academia are in an eco chamber, so it will be very hard tomake it mainstream.
Deciphering: What an amazing puzzle and demonstration of human ingenuity.
The guy who deciphered it as Japanese is an absolute maniac, and must have had a great sense of humour.
More likely an excercize to prove that the methods other people have been using are non-falsifiable.
When I was first studying ancient History of India, it was no brainer That Indus valley Civilization did not end and is a continuous civilization till present day. Recent DNA studies only confirms this further. This deciphering is cherry on the top. Thank you for your outstanding work.
DNA evidence? Really? Which corpses did they get DNA from?
a-genetics.blogspot.com/2022/10/r1a-explained.html
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 R1a1 from IVC prior to 2000 BC? Any links to this find?
@@podaran majorly brahmins have more ivc genome like iyer brahmins have 60% ivc genome 30% central Asian and 10% andamanese . This proves that there was migration but not an aryan migration aryan ppl are the one who have ivc genome ,and hence upper castes have more ivc genome compared to dravidians who have more andamaese genome
@@podaran kid they have only 30% and 60% they have ivc genome , ivc ppl were fair , light brown and brown , not dark like dravidians lol dravidans have hardly 20-30% ivc genome , majority of upper caste have it in high frequency . Dravidians have strong andamanese frequency (50-80%) which is again not found in ivc .
Whole upper caste (brahmin , kshtriya , vaishya and sat shudra)have ivc genome ranging (40-60%)
Brilliant presentation and analysis! The scientific methodology adopted and use of probability that we use to solve cryptograms, and after all that hard work to confirm that Brahmi evolved from this! It has been "staring" at us for years!
Brilliant young man, he's done an excellent job of explaining this. I'm going to go over this in detail.
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At last the Indus Script is meaningfully deciphered
Wish the ancient locations and Artefacts were in india and preserved well.
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The reason why it is not "preserved" is because India has been inhabited for several millennia. While the rest of the civilizations perished and the population moved out of the place. I am sure if you dig up the place you stay in, you will find some or the other artefact as was the case with Keeladi excavations/ Sinauli excavations.
This truly groundbreaking research and can become the starting point of a renaissance in the field of Indological research and spread to other areas. Brilliant application of Computer and Information Science to a perplexing and critical problem.
I hope the academics working on IKS and Computer Science are alerted and Yajnadevam's work is highlighted everywhere.
I will forward this work to Profs. Michel Danino of IIT-G and Makarand Paranjape of JNU.
What a wonderful way of using reg ex and other constructs to mathematically and logically decipher. Thanks
Absolutely fascinating. The tradition of learning, thought, and analysis, leading to intellectual excellence is a continuation of the model settled by our ancient rishis
Amazing feat deciphering the Indus script. Kudos to the non-academia genius with open mind and no previous bias.
This is so brilliant and passes the scientific test. This actually provides space for falsibility which is an essential test for it to be scientific. Another jolt to Aryan invasion/migration/tourism dogma. Bharat is a continuous existing civilisation for atleast 12000+ years
Dude stop it!
@@RachaelWill , you couldnt.
@@RachaelWill ok propogandist
@@RachaelWill stop what lol? There are so many evidences to disprove the AIT.
My two cents, this is brilliant and much more refined than anything I have seen on this topic. Again, with full respect, needs to be tested by multiple researchers to validate it like any other scientific discovery. , I would keep implication away from this scientific work here.
We need not seek western academic approval for this remarkable piece of work. We need to set our own narrative and stick to the truth.
Very scientific and very logical presentation.
Superb work. This has to be quickly examined. Has the potential to retell history
Western people's ego is too high to accept the fact despite of 100s of proofs
A true Bharat Ratna, a major break through in our generation that we are able to see. 🙏
This is absolutely groundbreaking material and needs to be urgently recognised in India and the World. I would recommend this be presented to the PM of India, it is worth of a Padma Vibhushan and even Nobel Prize. I hope this is being propagated in the archeology worlds. I would be interested to know if you have tried using this system for Dravidian Language. Also what is your take on the recent research on the word Peelu discovered in Mesopotamia (word for elephant tusk).
Yes, I have tried Dravidian a bit manually since I couldn't find a downloadable dictionary, it doesn't fit the script. People with downloaded dictionaries may have better luck. The pilu word is a joke. It exists in Sanskrit too. Also its unscientific to make a conclusion based on a single word since it could be a false cognate or borrowing doesn't guarantee the source. For example, the word "mobile" may be borrowed from English to Kannada to Tulu. Observers should not conclude "mobile" is a Kannada word.
Nobel prize in which category?
@@manaharchowdhury2402 for the category where people do some real work despite some nonsensical folks barking at them for nothing !
@PvnagaJayanth Nobel committee should start this catagory then
Path breaking work!
Finally it's deciphered and very scientifically done. Congrats.
It also refutes all the stupid theories of british origin regarding Indian history which have been floating around since decades.
On the other hand, it corroborates the idea of history that the indic viewpoint has always stressed upon, especially in recent years.
Now the important part is for this work & the researcher to get official recognition in the system.
It took several hundred years to break the mayan code as per documentary in amazon prime “breaking the mayan code”after watching that I believe this way of deciphering is rational.
Splendid work! Love fron Pakistan.
Great meticulous analysis of IVC script
Wow... it's like Ureka...Ureka moment for us.After listening to Mr Rao,Mr Reich & many eminent speakers( worker)& being little sceptic about the political buzz of Dravidian vs Aryan...you sounded very convincing.I wish we get longer scripts to further concretise your concepts.
Yajnadevam has finally given enough proof that he has deciphered the script and it's going to make a lot of assumptions topsy turvy.
Amazing work as always.
Well done sir. I hope we can now unravel indus valley mystery.
Mind blowing talk! This literally proves the continuity of Vedic civilization and culture.
BTW, @yajnadevam any reason that you do not give your real name and identity? It would be awesome to know who is the real life person behind this.
Incredible break-through. I have been wondering about this for long.
The last Qn by the gentleman regarding a person from Chennai who has deciphered a huge number of symbols of Indus valley scripts without any base was beautifully answered by yajnadevam in his calm style. 1:04:04
Brilliantly thought out and logical!
This guy needs to be awarded by the government
Extremely thought provoking presentation. If reproducible, this could be a pathbreaking discovery. It is indeed interesting to note that it is possible to create Rosetta stone to bridge the IVC and the Brahmi scripts through certain epigraphia of the intervening period between IVC and the Ashokan periods. Future discoveries of further epigraphs would help validate Mr. Yajna Devam's approach. On the face of it, it is compelling to accept his argument.
I am here when this work was established🎉
Very good effort. I am glad that you could come this far. We need to build on this
I recently had the opportunity to watch a captivating presentation by Dr. Nisha Yadav on IIT Gandhinagar's channel. During the talk, Dr. Yadav discussed an intriguing seal found in Bahrain that boasts a sequence of signs not found anywhere else in the Indian subcontinent. The presentation led to speculation that the Indus script may have been used to write another language. Can you decipher that seal by using your method and can shed some light about which language it was?
Yes, those are in Sumerian and Old Akkadian. You can see a video on that on my channel
I totally support your work sir🎉🎉🎉
Thank you
Pretty incredible- hats off!
A stunning presentation. Most convincing and logical and verifiable of all the deciphering claims. Wish you all the best to make this mainstream. I have a doubt. May be naive. Different decoration of same symbol is possible and not uncommon as you suggested with different style of 'A'. However if the same inscription using different styles for the same symbol, do you think that is ok? or could it mean a slight variation like capital/small letters?
The first letter (rightmost) is often a decorated letter, like you see in newspaper or book paragraphs. Even mid-inscription, it makes sense to use different forms to make reading easier. You often see this in logos.
Groundbreaking!
He must be rewarded with the Bharat Ratna Award.
Dhanyavad
Good job .
Good english . Easy to understand language. Watching it carefully.
It will be great to know ancient science and their lifestyle
There was no science back then. Scienctific inventions started in the West very recently.
@@NordicPolestar yes it was started with scientific Quran right?
अपनी अम्मी के बलात्कारियों को अब्बू कहने वालों तुम कुछ कहने के लायक नही
@@Pal_Sandeep You have trouble with English comprehension. What part of "West" do you not understand. West means the Western world. almost all scientific knowledge comes from the West, especially from Britain. Improve your English, not your hatred.
@@NordicPolestar i perfectly understood what u said its just that i aam littler hurt that didn't mention Quran.
Well it appears u are product of both communist & islamic mixing
excellent work and presentation.
This is very good. Did anyone try Prakrut dictionary to decipher the indus valley seals/language? We know that brahmi and prakrut going hand in hand from atleast Ashoka times… we see sanskrit inscriptions much later, most notably gupta perrod
Brahmi is a script and Prakrit is a language written in Brahmi script
Who the hell told you Sabskrit inscriptions are from Gupta Period.
Earliest Sanskrit Inscriptions are from 200B.C Ayodhya and Chittorgarh.
Inscription of shunga Era Found in Ayodhya is in Sanskrit written in Priyadarshi Brahmi
Inscription mentioning.
पुष्यमित्रस्य षष्ठेन
𑀧𑀼𑀱𑁆𑀬𑀫𑀺𑀢𑀲𑁆𑀬 𑀱𑀱𑁆𑀝𑁂𑀦
@@beachgnome1Sanskrit has been written in many scripts including Brahmi!
@@GauravAgarwalR exactly what I said dipshit.
stunning work indeed
Very interesting observation. I hope that more research could be performed to prove these and make it #facts. I enjoy all your videos. Great Job
Great work
Yajnadevam, Congratulations and Also thank you for your Brilliant work. Do you have mapping of group of symbols to corresponding sounds that you can share? Like 'ma' sound can be mapped to many symbols, Like what you have at 28:00 in your video, do you have that kind of group of symbols for all sounds? The reason I am asking is, I want to be able to read the script.
All Indian written scripts has combination of alphabets - in Devanagari - there are half and full alphabets and many standard combinations of alphabets and then combining these with 10+ Matras - forming a Swar. My technical knowledge is limited but I guess you get the message - language writing in Bharat is incredibly advanced and complicated
Do you think you would make a whole detailed video for the whole paper on the decipherment.
I think it would help in exponential terms in increasing the reach of your research.
Watching this after his findings went viral in the second-last week of October 2024
It's brilliant. Sir why don't you present to the higher levels of institution/govt.
*North West India including Afghanistan was familiar with what was then a world lingua franca, the Aramaic script and language (for trading) that was used by the Medes, Persians and Aryans in Afghanistan as early as 1000 BCE. This helped in the evolution of Kharosthi in these areas, while Brahmi evolved in India from the transitory Indus script, say 2000-500 BCE, into a proper script both in the North and South. Further, Indus script and variations gradually involve variations of Brahmi; Brahmi/Sanskrit, Brahmi/ Prakrit, Brahmi/Pali and Brahmi/Tamil.* These references are, courtesy from a book written by Sri M R Mallya, *Ancient India, Search for a true chronology; From origin to 700 AD* Namaste.
So the aryans spoke kharosthi and dravidians spoke sanskrit?
In Devanagari - certain alphabets change in style over time but there is no Caps and Small letter - I would ‘assume’ this might be true of Indus Valley Script which might be prototype of later day scripts.
Beautiful
Your Research must get Published..
Excellent
🙏Jai Shri Ram 🚩🙏
great
I would love to see Iravathan Mahadevan's reply to this paper.
Mr Mahadevan passed away unfortunately
great stuff! i only wish that you'd also had latin transliteration of these words
Wonderful!
I suggest you start with another set of symbols and show it works or not. Suppose you accept a couple of symbols by Prof. X, and see if it goes anywhere. Or use A couple of letters that are particularly like Brahmi and see if it leads to the same set of alphabet-sound.
The Indus Valley script is variation of Sanskrit parallels between Brahmi and Devanagari fish is very common symbol because these people lived along rivers and ate fish and chanted vedas they were called saraswats since they lived along saraswati river
What the connection with indusvalley script and sanskrit barbarian nomadic bandits from zorostian sect of central Asia dirtback.
Your Idioticity knows no bounds lil bro @@velu1671
@@velu1671oh velu, your dravidian narrative is coming to an end. Your missionaries will soon have to shut shop here!
Aaryan invesion theory has no evidence.
Indus script is logo-syllabic,where some symbols express ideas or words while others represent sounds. I don't agree that this script is a logo-phonetic script. But neverthless the interpretation of Indus signs with Brahmi characters is quite logical. I just want to add one more observation . There are 400 signs in Indus script. There are about Brahmi script has 368 total numbers of characters including the number of consonants are 33, vowels are 10, and the rest (325) are compound characters. This is a quite big match between Indus script and brahmi script.
If it's the Indus script which got evolved into brahmi script, then how do you explain the change in direction of writing?
@@Kartik-uu2goThose are seals right, if you write it from left to right and made it into a seal, it would be right to left. Idk just a guess. What if they were used as stamps?
Recently i visited an old monolith temple in himachal. It dates back to mahabharat times as per the tales. There I noticed a very repetitive text engraved at many places on the walls. But the symbols of that text doesnt match with qny of the symbols shown in this video. Plz send me any email address of yours where i can send the images
Do u have discord?
Which temple?
@@RakeshSingh-rt7bt masroor temples
Yajnadevam, thank you for a brilliant presentation. I’m curious to know if you did the language mapping with modern Sanskrit or with Vedic? Also, was mapping attempted with Pali or Old Tamil? Another point that was not clear was the mention of horses or chariot wheels with spokes in the context of IVC. My understanding from some earlier reading is that IVC did not have either. Could you comment on this please?
The language seems to be post-vedic as I did not find any vedic specific constructions. For mathematical reasons, it cannot be mapped to Pali or Tamil or any other language. Horses are mentioned in the inscriptions. Spoked wheels are so common that they form signs in the script.
Actually we now have evidence of both horse and wheels. So yea gg
� the u shaped character is the most found sign in the indus script and in this deciphering different na sounds are assigned some place i see ra sound is also assigned. This is contradicting why would the sign not have a consistent sound despite the sign used the most. also according to the brahmi assignment the U shaped sign is placed with ङ sound but Sanskrit does not have many words with this sound, also its unlikely to be used in the end of a word but in indus its mostly in the end, where न is can be found in the end most in sanskrit.
Long due must be dicded or we can never claim once general AI takes over
I have observed that some of the symbols are also similar as the nazca lines...like spider,fish ,bird etc
I think this is brilliant work. However, the clarity and structure in his explanations could be improved so that they are crystal clear. I got the gist of his explanations and his claim of matching with Brahmi, that it would not have been possible unless this is actually what the Indus script is for (his regular expression based decipherment being self correcting, and thus would have a reached a dead end if the language of the Indus script was not Brahmi). However, he could have made a stronger case for the correctness of his decipherment, had he given: 1) alternative but reasonable guesses of the sounds of some symbols to show that they reach a dead end assuming Brahmi to be the language depicted. 2) Try the same for other ancient languages of the time including Sanskrit, ancient Farsi, etc., and show that his method/code reaches dead ends for each of these other languages he tried.
Finally, on a sminor negative note, is the issue of a lack of transparency in this presentation: a) his name was not revealed; b) he did not provide a link to his (apparently unpublished paper); c) he also seems a bit too blase about the fact that his paper was (apparently) rejected; just for the sake of establishing this decipherment as the correct one for the sake of human-kind, he should make revisions to it to better explain his method and rationale so that it is published in a prestigious journal. For this, one possibility is collaborating for just the paper writing/revision with Prof. Rajesh Rao from the U. Washington (CS/CSE department?) who has done some work in Indus script decipherment--available on youtube--(though not as comprehensive as here). If that does not work out or is not a good option for him, I offer to collaborate with him to write a better paper (I can just be a minor co-author--my main aim is to get this published, not being a co-author--I have enough paper of my own)--I am a professor of ECE at UIC, have published about 90 well regarded papers in prestigious journals and conference proceedings, and my research areas fall in the related fields of computer engineering and science. My name is Shantanu Dutt, and my univ. email is dutt@uic.edu (please no unsolicited emails from anyone else), in case my offer interests him (and I hope it does for the benefit of humanity).
You are confusing scripts and spoken language. Main hindi mein hi ye likh raha hun. Is Hindi in latin script. Decoding SVC script to Sanskrit via Brahmi script is what Yajavendam has achieved.
Yajnadevam*
The indus script not deciphered not because its undecipherable, its not decipherable because of the politics. Every sane person who knows history already know that indus script has high probability of being Vedic Sanskrit.
YUP OBVIOUSLY TRUE LOLS.
@@rexxbailey2764 your caps lock accidentally turned on dude
@@playhard719 he is denying with you by saying it sarcasticly in caps
@@knox6546 I know that's why I said he accidentally turned on the caps lock
How can that be. Sanskrit was introduced here by the Aryans only by 1500BCE. IVC script predates that by at least 1500 years. Most likely proto-Tamil.
Oh yajna devam!, do you see the epic meltdown in the comment section?
Looks about right, am so very happy that these days its the Indians who are proving stuff scientifically, while its the Europeans who are being arrogant and not going by science but by preconceived notions.
JAI shree RAM 🙏
Actually numerical question . People used "ka" as negative sign . Our ancestors nevet created new symbols they just used some symbols instead they either used already existed alphabet or they directly gave definitely and procedures to do math instead of creating a new symbol to create formula . And the "ka" im talking is not devnagari "ka" im talking about this "+" from brahmin . Which is identical to ivc "ka" also .
U can aks they look diff . Stlines are to use on rock curvature are difficult . But in palm leaves both are easy .
Updated versions sequence might be like this
IVC updated to BRAHMI updated to SANSKRIT to devanagari may be 👍
What would be the meaning of these symbols in today's languages and was their language connected to.
Is the thrid category segmental script or phonetic script ?
Script has nothing to do with phonetic. Latin script for example is phonetic for Spanish but not for English
I don't think we can rule out the possibility of multiple languages that coexisted in Indus and came to use this form of writing, as scripts can be shared. That is indeed the history of scripts in India when you consider bramhi. Today a single script devanagari is also shared. Granta script was shared by sanskrit in the south. This is all due to the western lens , who only know homogeneity and cannot fathom heterogeneity.
Could be. I heard Sue Sullivan who has deciphered it like Yajnavedam and her conclusion was that IVC people spoke both Sanskrit and Tamil
I have also seen a video of gondi language expert Motiraven Kangali's decipherment of Indus valley's script. That was also convincing. Have you any idea about that?
No, its not a valid decipherment.
@@yajnadevam okay
You cant ignore strokes. There are mutliple fish like signs with differentiating strokes.
Why you did not mention Elamites language anywhere here?
The Dravidians began in south-eastern Iran when Elamites migrating from the west (Khuzistan area) mixed with Eritrean Africans who had settled in the Ormozgan area. These African settlers had crossed Southern Arabia to get to south-eastern Iran and were absorbed by the Elamite migrants, becoming a new people called the Dravidians. The Dravidians migrated to the Indus River valley in 7000 BC, where they mixed further with Nihalis and Adivasis, and later the Mundas. They spread out to occupy the entire Indian sub-continent, but were later confined to the southern part when the Indo-Aryans arrived in India around 1300 BC.
Where did the Elamites come from? In 18,000 BC, the Kebarans (Proto-Boreans) arrived in Mesopotamia from the Horn of Africa. In 15,000 BC they split into the Nostratics, the Dene-Daics, the Afro-Asiatics, and the Amerinds. Around 12,000 BC, the Nostratics split into the Elamites, the Kartvelians, and the Eurasiatics (ancestors of the Indo-Europeans, and many others). The Dravidians branched off from the Elamites around 7000 BC.
The Elamitic language does resembles Dravidian. Mr.David McAlpin (Researcher) has made a demonstration based on 57 Elamite words (mostly verb stems) paired with corresponding Dravidian terms. The correspondences are, on the whole, straightforward and interlocking. A beginning is made in reconstructing the phonology of Proto-Elamo-Dravidian. Dravidian languages share more than 20% of their vocabulary with Elamite.
Indus Valley Civilization or Sindhi Tehzib of Pakistan. Our forefathers ❤🇵🇰 Pakistan Zindabad!!
So sad that some people of the great Sindhu Sarasvati Vedic Civilization accepted Arab Slavery.
24:57 ತುಳು
Is the work published in a journal?
Dhanywaad for your Bhagirath task.
I have a question about Dholavira signboard decipherment.
रक वरारक अररस।
The क sound is twice, but we dont see any symbol repeating other than symbol for र
Also र sound comes 5 times but the symbol for र appears 4 times
Both X and axe symbol are क.
Both spoked wheel and the diamond/rhombus sign are र. There was a roof sign above rhombus, which made it अर.
What does this means?
@@georgiopasca2720 "Diamond gem entrance" or "ruby diamond entrance"
@@yajnadevam If precious stones are excavated on the same site, I think it would be a valuable confirmation for your thesis too.
@@somusundaram7084 Gujarat has been the diamond and gem capital since pre-history
Google search/Indus era 8000 years old
It is sort of conference
have you reached out to Rajesh Rao, 'coz he is also from software bg
These were fish eating Vedic Brahmins so they used many fish symbols and were writing their prayers
Hmm... I belive you never heard of importance of fish in hindu belief system....... do read matsya purana........
By ur logic, many centuries later when people will see the Elephant statues of Mayawati, they will interpret that people of UP used to eat Elephants. Such a great way to interpret
"hello ! what is your name" . How do you write this in Indus script.
So elephants are also sacrificed in Yagna ? The pashupati seal has elephant
No.
@@yajnadevam Then it can't depict be Vedic animal sacrifices
@@uniqguy111 Pashupati seal represents the various names of Shiva from Anushasana parva of Mahabharata, which are also animal names.
When fish start from M in every Indian language?
Why are everyone fixated on the language t they spoke?, I believe in the out of India 🇮🇳 theory so sanskrit and old tamil both evolved on the subcontinent, so it stands to reason that both were probably spoken. And because there were hundreds of cities along the course of the ancient rivers, concurrent cities in the south, and merchants from all of the ancient world coming there, how do you think they communicated? The oldest section of the Rigveda has many "Dravidisanisms" for want of a better term, interwoven into the Sanskrit. There are a few ancient languages that existed in BHARAT Then and still exist now like the tribal languages. So let language rest for a moment. The logic that the speaker is uding6is sound. How do you think akadian, sumerian, linear A and B or even etruscsn was deciphered???
I have read that previous attempts were made by assuming the signs were Sanskrit. How different is your outcome than theirs. Were you able to compare them. And, how many languages have you so far run against the regexp.
No other decipherment is a full decipherment. No other decipherment is actual Sanskrit. They claim "middle indo-aryan" "prakrit" etc, which basically means they invented a language to fit their deicpherment.
@@yajnadevam Thanks much. Appreciate ur response. I have one basic question. You made an assumption that the letters have taken shape during ages and so the circle with or without spokes represent the same letter and so on. If it was really the case, why do you think they used the different forms of the same letter, say, in a seal or an inscription. In practical terms, I think people tend to disregard the usage of the old forms when they adapt a new one.
@@somusundaram7084 This is something we need to study next. My sense is that certain letters/graphemes are used together for certain words. Just like gh is used in rough while f is used in fish for the same sound. In fact there are 5 different grapheme clusters for /f/ in English. If the wrong one is used, it looks odd. Indus probably was the same. Eventually, the civilization advanced to a point where they standardized the script by eliminating duplicates into a smaller set of symbols what we today call Brahmi.
@@yajnadevam Awesome. Thanks so much for the quick response. All the best for your research. Hope you will be recognized by the intellectual community for your work.
11 signs in 17th century by shepherds in Hampi are common with iVC Signs . They are deciphered to be Gondi language .only tribals would have an idea of ivc signs
No, they are not. You can assign any value you want to a short text, even Arabic. You need to read a length exceeding the unicity distance.
@@yajnadevam No.. what I mean is - 'we don't know the script but we are deciphering using computer programs' , but the shepherds of 17th century wrote a sentence with those symbols. So it means that their inputs are more valuable than computer programs.
@@uniqguy111 A script can be used for multiple languages, Brahmi was used for Sanskrit, Prakrit and Tamil. Shepherds writing doesn't falsify the laws of information theory.
@@yajnadevam ok then could u pls try it on Gondi language ?
@@yajnadevam As per wave model of linguistics, there could be already an IE branch in India before Vedic's arrival. However one may bluff, Vedic is not a spoken language (atleast in India) and Sanskrit based inscriptions/coins are attested very late in India(AD only ). So IVC could be any other IE(not Vedic) if script is used for multiple languages.
Was thus tested on Tulu/Ancient Tamil. Is there a Tulu dictionary
Yes, but there are no dravidian words that have 3 repeated symbols, nor does draividan have noun compounding
Rip to t hose whose say ramayan was written by valmiki in 5000BC in Sanskrit, when language it self came after Indus valley civilization.
Brahmi is a tamil originated scripts and no there are other tamil archaeologists found the similarities between tamili script and indus
This is because from Indus script evolved Brahmi and from Brahmi later scripts like Tamil, Devnagri etc
TLDR?
video is long, any summary?