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- www.ted.com Rajesh Rao is fascinated by "the mother of all crossword puzzles": How to decipher the 4000 year old Indus script. At TED 2011 he tells how he is enlisting modern computational techniques to read the Indus language, the key piece to understanding this ancient civilization.
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This guy is getting somewhere on one of the world's greatest mysteries. Just outstanding.
@JP Abraham "Now the languages that was spoken by the first entry people were termed as Dravidian languages and the second entry was Indo-Aryan languages. the central root of Dravidian languages that split from proto-dravidian language was Tamil-Kannada language tree. Tamils and Dravidians are not different. They are same."
www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-Tamilians-and-dravidians
@JP Abraham Xtians so eager to prove they are tamils. lmao !
@JP Abraham he isn't you are ! Where is tamil nadu where is indus valley civilization
@@ananyabollu8596 indus symbols are found in tamil nadu as well and you can see evolution of a script there... Check out the research works done by iravatham mahadevan, subash chandrabose, IAS Balakrishnan sir(book : a journey of a civilization indus to vaigai)
@JP Abraham who knows .maybe it is ..anyway true tamilians still follow velmuruga and ayyapa, snake gods , etc and keep up their gods ..of course some rice bags like you converted and carry a white guys name with black skin and started following abrahamic gods and now wants to divide tamil nadu
this project should be open sourced. make all the texts and objects publicly available on a website and let people around the earth work on it.
I think this will lead to a big fight to prove that I am Right and you are wrong, every one who try to solve this language will start fighting
@@imwhatim7259 It happens in all fields of science and Arts. This will help in determining the best possible solution.
Trolls will ruin everything up as usual.
@@ansh6370
6:45 Image on left is altered (photoshopped) image from right image. (deception)
Ignore the image on left. Think math, scale and antennas.
Everything is wavelengths.
@@ftsrwr will be solved in a week
I don’t have words to explain how underrated Indian history is, they had the technology 4000 years ago which the British and Europeans took credit for 100 years ago.
We had the technology and let it slip. The British and the Europeans, even the Egyptians and the Akkadians, had the technology and kept it and sent it on through the ages.
There was a gap of hundreds of years between the urban culture of the Indus Civilisation, that probably ceased to function in viable city form around 1300 BC and the so-called 'second wave' of urbanisation, that dated to perhaps 900 or 800 BC, about 400 to 500 years later. This second impulse had completely lost everything that was found in the Indus Civilisation (that is an exaggeration, but explaining what might have been transmitted from the one to the other will need to be very elaborate.).
What kind of technology?
@@luizgoerck_ Urban architecture and irrigation. Nothing else is visible or known.
@@indrajitgupta3280 , why is that? Normally when one culture was conquered by another, the culture that was conquered was also destroyed. Water and wind erosion also had its part.
@@luizgoerck_ Ah, I see that you have read Mortimer Wheeler. That line of reasoning has been under increasingly sceptical scrutiny since the early twentieth century. It is no longer thought that the Indus Valley cities were attacked by hostile hordes of central Asian herders and horsemen and sacked, as the European supervisors of the archaeological services that uncovered Mohenjodaro and Harappa had been taught about their own experiences with the mass migration of the Germanic tribes. The actual discoverers had no such illusions.
The latest dating exercises - too many details here - show that the Indus Valley Civilisation may have died out around 3300 BC, whereas the immigrant Aryan speaking central Asians may have come in around 1500 BC, extreme case 2000 BC. There may have been no overlap at all, certainly none of that 'pura'-capture, sack and burning depicted so vividly in the Rg Veda. It might have amounted to no more than the immigrants encountering some down-at-heel villagers in the north-west of India/south Asia, building pottery that showed the influence of late-period Indus Valley Civilisation styles.
So, long answer short, there was no conquest, no destruction of the older culture, and only vestigial remains showing any strife or conflict. Wind and water played full parts, with the gradually abandoned cities covered through 1,500 years with layers after layers of wind-blown silt from the Indus river banks and from exposed parts of the riverbed during tel,call.
what is wrong with some people ? whingeing about how he speaks? he is eloquent and accurate and a lot smarter than you.
He needs to take a drink a water. Kinda hard to focus on his eloquence when all I can hear is his sticky mouth.
Stfu simp
Hindusim only in India?
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5% dislikes. He's doing a little worse than most kittens, but there are always a few who don't like the speaker's accent, face, shirt ...
The NWO elites are afraid of the explosive information it could unravel, India has the most ancient civilization
I am from Mohen Jo Daro (Indus Valley) this something outstanding talk I have ever listened , and I relate it to my region...Thumbs up Rajesh Rao
Baji Rao 😂
I love the passion in his speech. Truly inspiring. Thank you for this video. I'm one of those who cannot wait to decipher the Indus code. Look forward to some ground-breaking progress in this subject. God willing!
Brother Rajsh, Keep up the good work and help rediscover our own past history. A big thanks from PAKISTAN. This is my history and not the one imported from Arabs.
I love you man ♥️
I agree I am British Pakistani
Islam made us Pakistani self mutilating of our great pre Islamic ancestral heritage
@@robertmitchell8630 , Agree, Indus was center of the world when no other civilization that is notable existed at that antiquity.
@@gshrdy5415 Egypt was there 5000bc, Nubia 6000 bc
Varoon does it really matter. Why do you need to bring religion in everything.
Lectures like these are not normally in my realm of interest, but I was intrigued when this appeared in my sidebar. Fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
Same. Wonder who decided we would be?
Melanie Anne so stop being a sheep, put down your GD candy crush game and read a book!
@@drdestructo5741 Stop being a troll and do likewise.
@@drdestructo5741 The fact that she watched this entire thing and is being honest about it, is equally commendable so calm your horses
Hindusim only in India?
th-cam.com/video/yu8TUwASFJ0/w-d-xo.html
Superb! I'm a Pakistani and hve studied abt Indus valley civilisation in 8th grade.Also as the major part of this ancient civilisation is in Pakistan I visted it but was too young to really appreciate it. It has fascinated me since then.
I would love to know more abt deciphering this ancient text frm this professor. Pls dont let dirty politics come in way of Educating the world. Admit it the we are one and share many things like history, ancestors, language, food etc.
Thankyou once again from Pakistan
Very well said! 👍
Singh thank you bro.
My dad is Pakistani and I got to see many Indus Valley artifacts in museums in Pakistan when I was a kid (also got to see the gem Taxila, but that's from a much later era). This video is long overdue and it's time we put all of our knowledge and resources to deciphering this mysterious and beautiful script. It was refreshing that Rajesh Rao did not launch into India vs. Pakistan polemics and discussed only the language. Indian or Pakistani, this is our common heritage and at least on this point we should be working together. Also, my dadaji spoke Brahui, the northernmost extant Dravidian language, and it makes perfect sense to me that the language of the Indus Valley was also Dravidian. Like it says on every Indian coin I've ever seen, "satyameva jayate", truth alone triumphs. Let's find the truth about our ancestors and realize that whatever our differences now, we are all related. Peace!
Correct ,, u were a Hindu 😂😂😂😂
Pakistanis are Indians who were forced to convert to Islam.
Indus Valley Civilisation is a burning topic in all academic and competitive Indian examinations and the world must know it !!
In the land of Dilmun (Bahrain) would be the best place to look for a rosetta stone of sorts for this language. Being the intermediary between the Indus and the Mesopotamian civilizations, and the one place where standard weights from both cultures were found, perhaps their version of a trilingual Xerses I inscription could be found. Great talk!
Can you enlighten a bit more on this? Where is the archeological site in Bahrain? Are tourists allowed to visit there?
@@jeremiahstanley3575 I think it was more of an overall idea. It's not bad actually, there have been ports used frequently. On the other hand seeing how many times in the Muslim religion historic artefacts were deliberately destroyed, even being form their old ancestors, it might be hard to not being able to find anything.
@@jeremiahstanley3575there is a great ancient graveyard in Bahrain. They already found small sieges with this kind of inscriptions.
Yes, the best bet to decipher this enigmatic text. Perhaps the land of Punt mentioned by the ancienr Egyptians could be the IVC.
Ikr what is wrong with people in the past and why they destroy property of others ? @@skarbuskreska
He didn't waste my 17 mins... i Appreciate his work.
what if these were a stamp for a wax seal ....written backwards so they would read forward in the wax .... or clay for making lots of the same message..... banknotes?
That's already gone through the researchers' heads 😉 there are thousands of examples of seals and their respective stamps with reversed images and signs in the prehistoric seal-making world for that to be overlooked :) But props to you for thinking of that, nevertheless!
An entirely valid point! It means that 'direction' for stamps is quite clear but on a non stamp , like a sign, is opposite.
ya good point . and if the mesopotamians have traded with the indus people and indus people have used their language phonectically same as mesopotamians we could decipher from mesoptamian script to the indus script???
@PARTHA SARATHI Bitcoin is nonsense.
no those have groves. they would read in the same direction when used as a stamp.
Great work, Indus civilisation really is fascinating and our civilisation certainly owe a lot to it as we received valuable contribution from it, including number system, astronomy, mathematics etc.
Great and inspiring! Script of Indus Valley civilization can be very helpful to understand evolution, society and culture of this great civilization! Excellent work by Rajesh Rao!
My goodness to watch this video and the man and his heartly and logical efforts.
www.nature.com/articles/s41599-019-0274-1 Please check out this recent research on Indus script, that was published in 2019 in a nature group journal.
I know what they say.
1) Fragile. Handle with care.
2) C.O.D.
3) This side up.
4) Dangerous goods.
5) Return to sender.
That's a really good theory except that the seals are generally unique or at least very diverse
6) made in China
@@racketsong Crap...can't believe I missed that one. Thumbs up.
7) Follow me on Twitter
@@racketsong no made in Pakistan lol
It is now time to understand deeply the Harappan Civilization so that we know the true amazing history of India and its relation to others in the ancient world. Hope people like Rajesh succeed in their mission. Indian government also need to put in effort on reviving our ancient knowledge and practises.
Even if they decipher it, there is very little writing. And all of it is just short pieces. Single words, et.
So there would be almost nothing to apply this new knowledge to.
On top of that, the language would have to be deciphered as well.
Why don't u try to use ancient knowledge and practices?
Why wasting time on TH-cam and job, go and try live in that era.
Hindu nationalists are blocking the discovering because their aryan origins will be deciphered.
@@rockdstone4863 will all of you stop using zero ?
The answer is no
Without zero all tech is fail
@@rockdstone4863 yes only if we knew our ancient Knowledge, and there is no wrong in using our ancient culture atleast
This program is a real breath of fresh air. Not having the ability to decipher Indus valley script has always made me felt so suffocated. Thanks for the upload.
absolutely fantasic presentation!! those 400+ thumbs down are clearly from folk who dont grasp or appreciate the concepts that are being discussed here. Our planet and civilization has lost so much history to the changing of the lanscape over millennia.
Excellent vid 💯🤙
there are ignants everywhere my friend, can't please everyone 😉
I think they thumbed down because you can hear the spit on the inside of his mouth
Civilization advances building on the accomplishments of those who came before us. Angry ppl who attack anyone they perceive as guilty of “cultural appropriation” are grand hippocrates as they utilize on a daily basis thousands of advances by ppl of every kind, many of which are not their ancestors.
They downvoted because it goes against the prevailing right wing propaganda in India that the Indus Valley people were Hindus who spoke a Sanskritic language. Alluding anything Dravidian to the Indus Script is likely to invite thousands of paid trolls of the ruling party.
I just dont like indian people.
I can only imagine when the rosetta stone was first discovered, how Champollion must of felt! For so long, those pictures drawn on the walls of a civilisation past must have looked like Alien scriptures, mysterious and indecipherable until then! We've learnt so much about ancient egyptian culture (that and their neighbours!) with the deciphering of the language! I hope the Indus script will eventually be cracked.
@dantkz I was thinking the same thing. Also many of the symbols are simetrical so the stamp reversing effect may not be an issue, or maybe they did account for that. Plus he has the stamp product it seems (more common) rather than the reversed stamp itself. I like the way you're thinking.
If these are seals and represent a language, then we it was left to right .
If one Ieaves aside the political need to prove the Aryan invasion theory, it's simple. Going by the time period of the artefacts , it is the same period and geography when many of the Veda-Vedagas were composed. It's obvious that the Indus / Sindhu /Hindu people composed the Vedas (in Vedic Sanskrit) right from the geography and astronomy mentioned in the Vedas . The Indus script is very similar to Brahmi, which later gave rise to Devanagari , Tamil etc.
TH-cam
2011 - Meh
2012 - Meh
2013 - Meh
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2019 - This should trend now.
LOL
@Sociopathic knight and today also.
Today... BS YT...
I remembering watching this in 2011 just too many variables
Hopefully they have done some deciphering by now..
Jealousy and fear is the only problem to find out this mysterious civilization
Yeah i heard it in his speech too. What kind of fear is he talking about? I dont think its political or religious because Pakistani govt unfortunately dont give care about IVC. They dont blink an eye either its Dravidian or Aryan? So what is it i wanna know.
@@rishavmandal285 i dont understand.
@@salmanahmadabbasi6791 i told respect your culture apart from arabic culture, because pakistan culture is older than 1200 years
@@rishavmandal285 i am talking about Indus Valley civ. Why some people are afraid talking about their culture.
@@salmanahmadabbasi6791 i am not at all afraid i am proud of it because they were not arabs
Interestingly Enough, In the Recent Archeological Excavations that held in Southern part of India especially in Tamilnadu (Keezhadi,porunai, Mayiladumpaarai), The Symbols found on pots and Coins were similar to the Symbols that found in Indus valley civilization.
Great talk. I was surprised by how moved I was at the notion that they are all of our ancestors. Really beautiful.
I love Harappan Civilisation! I have visited many Harappan sites! I will become an archaeologist! ❤
Where did you visited harrapan sites?
all the best dear..))..make us all proud
deep blue ok dear
But keep to the truth not quackademia.
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3. The goods delivered are located on the plate above the ox = fish is transported first with oxen (fish with wings = tuna) 4. The three bars above the ox show how many containers the ox pulls. The four dashes next to the fish symbol shows the number of goods. 5. But there is a lot missing: there must be two identical plates, once the receiver and once the giver. Furthermore, there must be an exchange between the dealer a kind of guarantor, symbols or other tiles. In the collection of puzzles, you still lack these symbol plates. 6. If you can, you can help me, here's my Bitcoin address for helping me to master my life and pay all my bills after a long time of illness. Thank you, Bobby :)
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Yeah, they determined it wasn't a simple direct pictorial representation. Good luck with your internet begging though.
This kind of research is actually very important. I hope they carries on and achieve more results.
It would be truly amazing that with these kinds of tools the Indus script could be deciphered in my lifetime.
A great TED talk. I can’t wait to find out what human history gets discovered when they figure out how to translate those symbols. Human history is much older than we think and much more globally intertwined than we know.
Fascinating! It is a methodological to decipher the meaning of the symbols still un interpreted . Many many thanks for the illuminating lecture and also the view that Mohanjodaro and Harappa are part of the world heritage . 👍
This would be great to figure out. We could find out what level of technology they had and how they communicated over long distances.
What a wonderful speaker. Really explained well the process of how ancient languages are deciphered, and was a pleasure to listen to.
Guys, do check out Rajesh Rao's work on Brain computer interface. This guy is amazing
Smart guy, he is doing it right, all the best
I do not agree 100% with what he says, but I agree 150% with his love for culture and our history as man. For that reason alone, this vid gets a thumbs-up.
You say you cannot agree with this man, then I suggest you back up your statement with something better. I fine to many ppl do that ...say they don't agree yet do not give the reason why.
@@berylackermann8240 There are a few items I slightly differ. It is beyond the scope of this platform to go into all the details. A single example. This was published in 2011. Almost a decade later we have progressed greatly in DNA mapping which have largely proven that Indus Script was quite removed from Indo-Europen.
Can you prove that statement Mr Pierre?
Indo European language was Sanskrit.
And it came to India during Vedic Civilization period.
Indus valley civilization is much older than that.
Now, I understand that the biased mind of yours is trying to make the oldest civilization European, but it is not gonna work.
U know what?
The DNA of 4500 year old Rakhigarhi matches with the DNA of Dravidians, especially to the Nilgiri hill tribes.
And Dravidian languages has no basis in Sanskrit while European languages has.
Your Biased Assumptions are wrong.
The man in the video of 2011 is correct.
It's really intriguing to decipher a code with no reference point, kinda wanna try. He is a lucky man to have the opportunity
What he said is correct,but he forgot that it's a seal. In seal if we write from right to left. When we stamp it it become left to right. So the ppl of Indus Valley writes from left to right. Make a note bro.
the maker of the seal would write from left to right to produce i seal that print a right to left script. by the way most ancient languages(survived today by Hebrew and Arabic) write from right to left, because they use hammer and chisel to write on rocks and most people are right handed.
arabic is by no means ancient compared to egyptian, meso, indus, sanskrit, etc
that is why I said "survived" meaning they are the descendant of those ancient languages the oldest Sanskrit texts (which is also the oldest indo-European language attested) about 1200BC is yesterday compared to middle eastern languages Akkadian texts are attested as early as 2900BC, and Sumerian more than 3000BC so yes Arabic Hebrew and others are the descendants of those middle eastern ancient languages and they write from right to left.
Excellent Point
Have you ever see a postal stamp,they make it what they want in stamp result.. stamp numbers are not make like the origina, they are already in mirror image..😊🙏....
Check out the Kezhadi Tamil Nadu to find more
Kevin Reed ...why?
Asad Ali Google it.. found oldest civilization
@@AsadAli-jc5tg you will get the answer when you Google.
@@AsadAli-jc5tg some of the patterns are found in keeladi, which is predicted to be 600 BCE.
@@AsadAli-jc5tg
Goggle it.
In South India, state Tamil nadu, near to city MADURAI, village Keezhadi, few square meters the excavations are going on with minimal funds from central govt for last three years. Surprisingly more than 3000 years old materials were found including gold. It will be sent to US for Carbon dating. Almost 5000 unique materials were found which is the largest no. of all so far in India. But remember it is just an excavations done on only few square meters. So you can imagine how much knowledge we willl get if we explore more but no funds from Indian central gov't with a fear of that it could date even before mohenjodaro. Please search KEEZHADI in internet and TH-cam to learn more. Truth will prevail, long history of Tamilians live under.
@mr costa Thanks
@mr costa yeah.... it would mean that we are all tamilians if keezhadi excavations are older than IVC.... and they can also claim IVC ppl as those who moved up north from south. 🙂
If you could also help me solve one puzzle..... which English man gave south indians the letters 'zh' to be pronounced as 'll'.... and 'why'.
@@pallavisharma8773 zh or 'll or whatever is unique and doesn't represent the Tamil sound, and there exists no letters in any language other than the sister language Malayalam. So English men chose probably zh to represent the uniqueness
@@axyz002 but why 'zh' .... why not 'll' which is closest to how it's pronounced. Why don't you all change it so the rest of the country men and women can correctly pronounce it.... at least a little. 🙂
Fabulous presentation! I hope you are on the right track, we should all want to know who we are!!
Marvellous. You have taken my imagination to a distant world in time where people spoke, sang, worshipped, ate, quarrelled and traded, people with whom a feeling of kinship wells from deep inside me. I see vibrant, intelligent men and women of strong limbs, black shining complexions riding on black buffalo backs not unlike the village folks in India's south. Dear Rajesh, hoping to hear one day, that people like you will enable us to hear the voices of the deep past. I may be partial in my estimation, but the Harappans seem very likely to have been of the Dravid stock.
It makes me glad we are making progress in the process of uncovering this amazing civilization. I also am excited for the Minoans script and especially the many civilizations of Europe , such as the Vincas and the Cucutenis. I hope the Indus script may contain info bout the Indo European Ansectors of my people
Rivers are the cradle of civilization. Fish is a essential food for living. As Food is essential for living, So fish symbol been essential for authority, education and trading. In bronze age who taught the knowledge of universe to mankind. Do they knew sun is a star not planet. Without the visionary ability and transportation how could they harvest the knowledge of universe. If they are aliens who taught others, where the aliens come from. Why can't still we lack to find existence of humanity other than the Earth.
An amateur linguist from Turkey recently started translating the Voinich manuscript helped by his two sons. Now they have entire pages translated and it's only a matter of time until all of it will be translated. I am sure that someone will figure out the indus script soon too.
Sure
The final part of his lecture is very affective, makes us all feel part of an Universal Human Nation, as predicted by Silo, the Argentinian philosopher: 16:15 Loved it.
Bro and it's written in our ancient Vedic text
"Vasudev kutumbkkam"
We whole world are one family..
@@AbhinavSingh-rb7nd *Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, and it's not mentioned in Vedic texts btw.
Yadum yavarum
Kelir:Tamil
Not using confirmation bias is the best thing he did
The word Dravida is the name of the language of the people and does not denote the race of the people. The third thing to remember is that Tamil or Dravida was not merely the language of South India but before the Aryans came it was the language of the whole of India, and was spoken from Kashmir to Cape Comorin. In fact, it was the language of the Nagas throughout India. - Dr. Ambedkar
Wonderful presentation. Look forward to hearing more about this as we make progress in the future!
Excellent Ted talk! This is so interesting and this guy is one of the few Indian people who I saw talk about this who isn't biased (except the Dravidian part, which he also admit was a possibly), but actually searching for an answer using a proper method rather than creating his own theory and supporting it with whatever he can find. High quality material and presentations such as this one on the Indus civilization and especially the Indus script is rare. Where can I find more of his talks?
I couldn't find any others. This was his only one, but yes, it's interesting.
B4Brilliant
Yeah. I wish there were more. The Indus civilization seems to be dismissed a lot because we cannot understand what they "wrote".
Yes, it's so refreshing to see someone who's interested in knowledge and not just advancing some Nationalist agenda. Excellent lecture.
Paeremannen
Exactly! :D
As far as I know, most historians and archaeologists accepted IVC as Dravidian civilisation. Do you know that "Sanskrit", that is mother of many Indian language is a combination of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) language and ancient Dravidian language. It's totally idiotic when you say "the leftists want" like phrase. The leftists don't want anything but just want to go with the scientific studies say, nothing else.
The direction is left to right. Its a stamp seal as you said. Stamp seals are always maid in mirrored direction, so when you stamp using clay the text will appear in the correct direction.
I'll use the image of the animal than the symbols. Any image of an animal while being drawn will most likely start from the head than the tail. So when you stamp it the head will appear facing left and tail towards to right.
The writing direction is left to right.
A Good Point man
Guys I am from Pakistan. Very happy to learn about the Ancient Indus Velly civilization of India. In incredibly interesting and cool. INDAIN ANCIENT HISTORY IS SO COOL. I wish our people can learn more about Hindustan history so india and Pakistan can live peacefully.
Please keep the Political problems aside.
No true indian will hate pakistani but the political agenda from both sides confuses people
@@Sathish_12 no a true Indian will never Hate Pakistan A true Indian Will always respect them but its the government and terrorists we are getting blindfolded by, Don't forgot what our ancestors and Sadhus promised 5000 years ago back -
Vasudeva Kutumbakam ( वासुदेव कुटुंबक् ) Means world is one family
Not political problems Sir, but more of religious problems.
It's religious prblms not nation bruh
the example he used is stellar, pun intended
the importance of Ursa Major, the Pleiades, and Saturn to all evolving cultures taking notes and passing ideas along
loved every second of it....
I'm intrigued by this civilisation
The first one says “ All employees must wash their hands before returning to work”.
Don't grab and eat the big mint!
They predicted the corona virus outbreak
"Employees must stop crying before returning to work"
@@snooks5607 Find a new job man. If you're crying at work, there's a problem.
Wow! Dravidian history is beautiful and rich! I always figured the Indus valley was Dravidian in nature. Thank you for this!
Nice fantasy
@@dheera8889 bruh. They are Dravidian stfu. Rakighari dna proved they are Dravidians.
@@risyanthbalaji805 yes, they are Dravidian in propaganda articles. Also a handful of Aryans kicked you so hard in punjab that you didn't stop running till the southern tip of sub continent. What a cowards didn't even fight for homeland.
You can't even prove it 😂😂
Aryan and Dravidian created by British to divide india and it is a dogma.
Excellent talk brother... keep up the good work, please tell us more about your progress
Fascinating. So we'll delivered, thank you.
Wow! This guy is fascinating! Excellent presentation!
Yes and funny too. 🙂
தமிழகத்திலிருந்து வாழ்த்துக்கள் ❤️
Recent findings :
Indus script relation with Dravidian languages:
1) Ancient Near East of middle-third-millennium to early-second-millennium BC had no native elephants. The Syrian elephants of 1700 BC were also arguably imported from Indus Valley Civilization. Archaeological evidence confirmed that Mesopotamian people imported ivory from only IVC, and the Persian Gulf traders had functioned as intermediaries in the thriving trade between IVC and Mesopotamia.
Interestingly, in the current Dravidian languages of south India, elephants are referred to as ‘pilu’ in Kannada, ‘pilluvam’ in Tamil and ‘piliru’ in Telugu. Linguists say that ‘pilu’ entered classical Sanskrit very late, as a borrowed word.Since ancient Iranian languages did not use the sound ‘l’, they change the ‘l’s of foreign word to ‘r’s. Thus ‘pilu’ became ‘piru’, just the way ‘Babilu’ (Babylon) became ‘Babiru’, and the Mesopotamians adapted the same.
2) Finnish Indologist and Indus script expert Asko Parola also feels that the Dravidian(Tamil) words such as ‘mukham’ (face, front, mouth), ‘khalam’ (threshing floor), ‘phalam’ (fruit) and ‘kundam’ (pit) are found in the Rigvedic Indo-Aryan texts which was composed 1500BCE
Tamil god “Muruku” (baby boy), according to Parpola, is a hunter god of the hill forests. Muruku, the god of love and fertility, was worshipped with frenzy dances and flesh and blood of a ram or goat. In 300 CE, the god amalgamated with Skanda of north India. “The pictorial and rebus meaning of fish in Dravidian means ‘miin’ and ‘miin’ also means star. I think they both possibly come from ‘min’ which means ‘to glitter’,”
3) In 2019, excavations carried out in the Keezadi site in Tamil Nadu’s Sivagangai district revealed graffiti dating back to 580 BC. The graffiti has been deemed to bear a distinct resemblance to the Indus script.Not just Keezadi, graffiti marks similar to the Indus script were recently discovered onpotsherds excavated from a site in Mariyapuram, Uthirakosamangai which falls in the Ramanathapuram district of tamilnadu
4) In 2017, Indus script expert Iravatham Mahadevan observed in a report that the Tamil sport of Jallikattu was depicted in an Indus seal found in Mohenjodaro (present-day Pakistan) in what he interpreted as a link between Dravidian and Indus cultures. In 2018, symbolist TL Subhash Chandra Bose wrote in his book ‘Ancient Tamizh - The Faculty of Harappan Symbols and Scripts’ that another seal foud in Bannavali referred to the sport of Sallikattu in language similar to that found on a Sangam era stone slab preserved in the Salem Archaeological Museum.
All evidence and research therefore points to India being the world’s largest, if not first, melting pot, with both the genetic pool and the languages and culture resulting from a blend of Indo-Aryans over time with preexisting indigenous Dravidian population.
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 so what language was used in Harappa? Was it Hindi?
@@descendedofrigvedicclans2216 i was asking you a question idiot. Didn't you see the question mark?
7:10 I have an idea. There are more ways of orienting sequences than simply right-to-left or left-to-right. For example some indigionous groups, when given a set of pictures describing event and asked to put them in the order they happened in, put the earliest upstream according to the nearest river (or uphill for different groups) and the latest downstream or downhill. Maybe the only reason that the text is right-to-left on that seal is in relation to the figure on it; maybe it goes head-to-tail of the animal depicted on it. In other contexts there may be other determiners or maybe a default right-to-left or left-to-right direction. Who knows
His last line has given me chills.
The presenter hints at the use of 'Computer Models' in this talk from 2011. This was just before the latest rise in the use of AI. It would be interesting the know if AI/deep learning can be -or has been- applied to this particular problem.
What they used was Multi Layer Perceptron (MLP) which is basically what we call a Artificial Neural Network which is the backbone of deep learning
Hindusim only in India?
th-cam.com/video/yu8TUwASFJ0/w-d-xo.html
Well done Mr Rao, thank you and well spoken at TED, interactive talk
Pretty sure the man doing such intense research inverted them before asking such a question. but yeah, you're a genius.
good information sir, keep going and discover more information. i realize one thing while watching your video that these ancient people must be writing from left to right because you are giving examples of signs of these language and space availability but as it was on stamp...and stamp has mirror image so while using this stamp on some material...we can read it from left to right not vise versa...just a guess. correct me if i am wrong.
The person who solves this will become famous over night, But how on erath can you solve it when no website shows all the tablets or signs for public viewings, this guy should of gave a website to show all of the characters
My univetsity in Islamabad has a museum which has a chart full of indus valley characters and many original tablets as well
Ijja 35 Da can u plz take a picture of it. And. Upload on internet via blog
indusvalleyscript.blogspot.com/2010/04/connection-between-indus-valley-script.html?m=1
Here is an indus script blog.
He would become famous, and get a lot more death threats
jimbob202019 unfortunately, I doubt they will become famous, even though they should be. There’s a reason there is only 1 season of “Cosmos” and 17 of “cardashinians” or whatever those jobless drug Addict women’s names are. Humans as a whole, in large groups, fucking suck.
If seals were used for stamping, symbols written on it might be mirror image of actual script, which means script may be actually left to right.
In Tamil, 'Meen means Fish', 'Vin Meen means Star'. Vin(pronounced win) = Space
Our dravidian ancestors equated 'Space to Sea, Stars to Fish'.
There's no Aryan and Dravidian, this is all made-up up by Western historians and spread by British to Divide and rule. You can say you are Tamil that's better.
No our Indus ancestor. no thing such as Aryan and Dravidian exist
@@Sumit-Sh Aryan-Dravidian theory is true. Proved by genetics also. British discovered that(Aryan-Dravidian theory). They r not divided people with this theory. They had used religion to divide and rule(hindu-muslim) Indians. 'Some hindutva nationalistic people nowadays made-up this new strategy(British divide) to mislead or cover the truth'. Truth alone triumphs.
U Tamil fanatics never improve.
@@Sumit-Sh -- British didn't divide anything. India (as a country) was only formed after the arrival of British. Before that there was no India at all, there were different regions ruled by different kings. The culture, people, lifestyle of south and north is distinctly different. How come you still believe all the people of India are same?
The example cited for deciding the direction of writing was for a seal or stamp artifact...it is kind of mirror image on the stamp..which will then be printed on paper/ cloth in the proper direction...
I agree. So the actual direction will be from left to right if the artifacts were used as stamping seals. Hence it cannot be conclusive that the writing was from right to left.
i love the dravidian approach. I've got to say, it can't be a coincidence that a dravidian language exists in afghanistan, thousands of kilometres from south india
tamila bro nanum antha meen la vilunthuten🔥
This man... And his team are such an brilliant. They deserve more power. 👍🏻
I do wish we knew more about the Harappans and other Indus River Valley peoples.. some of the world’s first plumbing started there. Cities were planned out down to the tee. Streets were uniform, and buildings were designed in a way to keep the streets windy and shady so the inhabitants of the city could stay cool. A very interesting society that we know much too little about
Hi Jimjimsauce, you have made some good observations. D. Devika Elisabeth is a Consultant Architect in India, who has done work on the Indus civil engineering and architecture. You may get some good answers.
Bravo. He has made the most important step in removing the present culture from the equation.
Thinking you 'got there first' as a culture is the biggest barrier to spotting the patterns because of the obvious bias.
The people who sent the death threats will be last to figure it out as they brought their ego into the research.
Good luck to him and his team... They think outside the box.
Rajesh Rao , Fantastic lecture .Thank you !
Hello, if the seal has it from right to left then wouldn't the imprint will be from left to right!?
Nice observation.
Exactly
@@BigBeesNase what if these seals weren't stamps but more like well currency.
What if the seal was stamped on each word ? Its more flexible when u want to make different label.
Seal not stamp..
Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
As a kid, after breaking into a local highschool, my parents sent me to study with Maharashi in Switzerland, in 1974. He taught us about mantras. I am convinced those seals were a person's mantra. Not sure why...
Totally could be
sod off
Most logical way of explaining any TED presentation for all range of audiences.
Why does these kind of ted talks gives me goosebumps.
That’s a very intelligent man right there! There’s some smart people in this world!
I guess this research has picked a new directions using data science, Mr Rao all the best.
Fascinating history. If their emoticons are letters, than maybe they use multiple sounds in one letter, just like the Chinese does.
Nice presentation :) . I think that sharing current knowledge and methods with large population is the best and fastest ways of getting the answer .
My mother tongue is Sindhi and born in Larkana which is only 13 miles away from Moen Jo Daro, the Center of the Indus valley civilization. I have a knack for learning new languages. Over a time I have found that all languages spoken on both sides of Indus contain pure Sindhi words. Listening to Sahyadhri and other South Indian languages on TV channels shows these contain pure Sindhi words, even centences and phrases.
I think brahui spoken over there is a Dravidian language
Thanx TH-cam for recommending me this video after 9 years 😃
My favorite TEDtalks to date!
Thanks for hindi caption
It really help me alot
Simply amazing!! Rajesh Rao is facinating with his findings!!
At 14:50, that stamp seems obvious to me. The Pleiades aren't the "six sisters". From ancient times, The Pleiades were known as "the Seven Sisters". So if that symbol to the left is suspected of meaning "star", followed by 7 slashes, that would prob = The Pleiades. Furthermore, the Pleiades are in the constellation of Taurus the Bull, and it looks like the main symbol on the stamp is a bull. Mystery solved. You're welcome.
Now to be fair, the entropy of music is very genre specific. While the value in your graph may be true for Stravinski, Lady Gaga will be slightly above the Fortran code.
Very humorous but probably not true.
😂
Rajesh Rao didn't make mention of the existnce of the rongorongo tablets from Easter island, which also contain a verified version of the Indus valley script, with much longer texts, which would give the computers & researchers much longer strings to work with! I hope this finds its way into the dialogue on this fascinating project
As far as I'm aware it's in no way verified they're related. Happy to read a link though if you have one.
Great work sir.... Plz do decipher d script, not fr Pakistan or India but for d love for Harappan civilization 😍
Thank you.💖 That was fascinating!! Forbidden History LIVE brought me here... nice presentation! 👏💕
I am a tamilan from malaysia.. my ancestors were all tamil labourers brought by the british government.. here i would like to link the importance of water which is wholesomely emphasised in the tamilan culture..
Firstly, we shall look at origins of civilisation and harappa civilisation from the lost river of saraswathy.. their whole civilisation emphasise was on water, drainage and sewage system.. every archaeological sites have aqueducts system in harappa civilisation..
So if we come back to origin of tamil civilisation in south india which highly likely to be linked with the lost harappa civilisation from the lost river of saraswathy is because our tamil culture has already impacted importance towards dewi Saraswathy whom is worshiped as the god of knowledge/wisdom.. wisdom and lots of knowledge is already attained during harappa civilisation where they were never bothered about hierarchy, kings, Gods, pyramids, zigurats, weapons or war.. they were more concerned of living a good spiritual life with importance on nature, fertility, society and self well being.. that shows how civilised the harappa were even during those days.. in today's world if we generalise western and eastern culture.. likely western culture was from mesopotamian and egypt civilisation while eastern culture is from indus/harappa civilisation which was perpetuated unknowingly by the south indian tamilans to the east/asia..
So coming back to water.. thiruvalluvar in thirukullar which is an oldest form of tamil literature written 2000 years ago has emphasised on the importance of rain and water in one whole chapter pertaining to it.. even tamil citizens today has a common culture of washing our legs prior to entering our houses.. even this particular culture could be linked to harappa civilisation where water and hygiene were given importance
As latest research on indus hieroglyphs linking to spoken tamil to indus symbols will be the biggest breakthrough ever which will make spoken tamil the oldest language in the world and still spoken till today..northern indians are the aryans or outsiders of indias whom originated from Mesopotamian civilisation and ended up at north india.. they came up with vedic system and caste system to divide and rule north india by claiming themselves as brahmin of the highest rank.. the southern indians were able to resist this at a point where souther tamilans lived together with christian and muslim tamilans together in south india with no any issues.. this is even highlighted in thirukural
So it all comes back to the type of civilisation and ppl whom are shaped thru such civilisation and from history itself we cud see that harappa civilisation were truly more spiritual, less mystical and were finding for more logics and questions and eventually found lots of life answers.. even opening of third eye cud be initiated in harappa civilisation during proto-sivan era.. so basically everything seems to link somehow and i hope tamilans will be given the full recognition soon as indus hieroglyphs gets decoded.
Very interesting to watch stuff like this. And a great presentation of the subject.
www.nature.com/articles/s41599-019-0274-1 Please check out this recent research on Indus script, that was published in 2019 in a nature group journal.
The great cities in the Indus valley were founded for one reason... The collection of GOLD. Ancient songs from this region tell of this. They were also founded by the same culture that created the ancient cities like Eridu, UR and Sippar in Mesopotamia. Eridu being the oldest at 420,000 years old. At the time collecting gold from rivers was very much what they did and later changed over to mining gold in SE Africa (The Abzu).
The Indus water does contain gold even todate. One reason of strong sexual virility of Sindhis is that they drink this Indus water containing elemental gold. In Gilgit Baltistan people still collect gold from Indus even today.
Ur in Tamil (Dravidian) language mean "place of dwelling (town)" .. is it coincidence..
Brilliant and Brave efforts by Presenter and Team working on this .
It’s sad, every time I was in school and would be learning about the Indus Valley civilization and I would get excited to be learning more about my history. I would just be told by the American school system that the Indus Valley had nothing to do with my history, that they were someone else and my people came later.
Those words "Elu Meen", "Aru Meen", "Mey Meen" are clearly tamil language words.. Elu means Seven, Aru means Six... wow amazing to see my language in Sindu civilizations ...
Dude it's more kannada than Tamil...