Did Her Mother Abuse Her? - Law & Order SVU

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  • Munch reveals his suspicions about how innocent a comatose girl's mother may be.
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    From Season 2, Episode 4 "Legacy - An abused 7-year-old girl lies comatose while Benson and Stabler try to figure out which member of her dysfunctional family is responsible for her state.
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ความคิดเห็น • 586

  • @GhostDrummer
    @GhostDrummer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2983

    Munch is so calm in the face of evil. The episode of the stalker who blew up the reporter Munch was trying to protect was chilling. He calmly sat there and let the killer spill every detail of the crime.

    • @bobo-cc1xw
      @bobo-cc1xw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      like an actor

    • @cecejamesable
      @cecejamesable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      God, that episode hurt a lot. I wanted Munch to punch off that bastard's smug face.

    • @bonniedavidson5940
      @bonniedavidson5940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What episode was it?

    • @scillavanilla5356
      @scillavanilla5356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      I remember that tragic episode.
      That incel pissed me TF off, and you could see Munch’s rage being contained as the guy explains his reason for killing her.

    • @JadeRockettNovado
      @JadeRockettNovado 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@bonniedavidson5940 Season 1 episode 20: Remorse

  • @masonlobster
    @masonlobster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2602

    I have no sympathy for people who experienced sexual assault and chose to do it to other children. you dont have an excuse, at the end of the day you made a conscious decision to abuse a child. you're a monster

    • @cherryrussell7648
      @cherryrussell7648 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      1000%

    • @cjcalloway6087
      @cjcalloway6087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      👏👏👏

    • @beccablueeyes99
      @beccablueeyes99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +183

      Especially since you know just how horrific it was when it happened to you.

    • @ayakotami3318
      @ayakotami3318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Indeed. 👍👏

    • @ouardi9900
      @ouardi9900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      They aren't looking for empathy. The problem is that because they have been assaulted as a child they think the behavior is normal.

  • @elderliddle2733
    @elderliddle2733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3482

    The manipulation was incredible. They got a confession with no duress. Ooh she’s so screwed.

    • @hothotheat3000
      @hothotheat3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      Watch police interrogations. They do this a lot to get the perp to feel comfortable enough to confess. If you’re feeling judged, you clam up. You feel like you’re among like-minded people, you open up.

    • @jaybudz1620
      @jaybudz1620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Which is why you keep your mouth shut and answer with "no comment" or wait for your attorney

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@hothotheat3000 That's the key to getting people to spill the truth, you want to start with telling them what they want to hear. Humans will deny any fact if it isn't what they want.

    • @lancer3397
      @lancer3397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Would be admissible though? I could see a judge tossing that. They already considered her a suspect when munch talks to her. No miranda rights administered. A good defence lawyer would get that excluded before trial.

    • @SaraLovelace1
      @SaraLovelace1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If the girl wasn't actually awake and hadn't said anything, that's entrapment and confession under emotional duress and without rights read. That's getting immediately tossed out.

  • @squarebear619
    @squarebear619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1257

    She had a choice. She could have broken generational curses but she chose to perpetuate the hurt, pain, and anger that she felt being abused. It is strange to me that some abused people learn great empathy from their ordeal while others choose to repeat the cycle of abuse, neglect, and violence.

    • @raquelchukwurah1185
      @raquelchukwurah1185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Facts

    • @magnarcreed3801
      @magnarcreed3801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Wonder if it’s IQ related.

    • @SelenaY.1331
      @SelenaY.1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Yes she had a choice but some people that become mentally unhealthy aren't socially aware of what they're doing. Yes they might know they are doing something wrong but to them they think it's "normal". For example her mother said her mom used a hair brush to discipline her. The mother thought that type of discipline is normal so she did the same

    • @savannahhague4989
      @savannahhague4989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@SelenaY.1331 it mostly depends on whether or not they saw other families. Once exposed to what families are supposed to be like, that realization hit.

    • @SelenaY.1331
      @SelenaY.1331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@savannahhague4989 it you said mostly...
      If someone is severely mentally I'll they won't see themselves thats in the wrong.
      I made my statement because that had happened to a lot of kids that get put into foster care but your statement could sometimes happen too if a parent is able to help themselves before they become severely mentally ill

  • @VSaber365
    @VSaber365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2732

    *Those who don’t learn from their own parents’ horrible mistakes are doomed to repeat them themselves.*

    • @kat-lizas2480
      @kat-lizas2480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      That but its more than that not having or not getting the proper help is the biggest thing.

    • @courtneyadams-belzer6046
      @courtneyadams-belzer6046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean not nesiccerily

    • @michaelfawcett9935
      @michaelfawcett9935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I can't remember who said this but "Those who learn from their own mistakes are smart but those who learns from others' mistake are wise."

    • @BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays
      @BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      The difficulty with many child abuse cases; to the child the behaviour is normal. to them this is their life, they don't know any different. it is their normal. If this lady didn't have any help in the aftermath, then she doesnt nesseccarily see why the behaviour was wrong because it was her normal.
      You can only learn from a mistake if you know a mistake was made and understand why it was wrong.

    • @Aeonoftherift
      @Aeonoftherift 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@BlastFromThePastTheGoodOldDays As someone who suffered mental and emotional abuse, this rings true. It didn't have to be physical, but the remnants are the same, something is a 'normal.'. I may not have children, but I have two dogs, still in their puppy stages, 9 months apart. I love them both like they are my own and although they know I am stern in how they treat each other, they know I love them. It may not be physical abuse, but I won't let them be emotionally damaged, nor mentally disadvantaged like I was. I can say my parents were both those things to me, but not my younger siblings, but I carry that weight because I was the oldest. My parents didn't know how to be parents.

  • @yesterdayitrained
    @yesterdayitrained 3 ปีที่แล้ว +923

    “…you did the only thing you could do.” … “I threw her against the wall.”
    I don’t think that was her only choice- but she sure thinks it was. Munch is incredible.

    • @otaviofrn_adv
      @otaviofrn_adv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      no wonder he got objections by the people and the defense at the same time

    • @myfairlahey5738
      @myfairlahey5738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      script writers are great

  • @PIXPromosMore
    @PIXPromosMore 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2606

    Alternate title for this Video: "Munch Vs. Munchausen"

    • @anyviolet
      @anyviolet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      well done

    • @echo-verse
      @echo-verse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      YES!!! XD

    • @yattaguru
      @yattaguru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Underrated comment

    • @XxShadowGTxX
      @XxShadowGTxX 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Munch vs. Munchausen in Munch's House, Son!

    • @littlesongbird1
      @littlesongbird1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      More like Narcissism

  • @miranda13c
    @miranda13c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1017

    I loved Munch during this episode. His story that he told Olivia afterwards was so sad. Then he went and read a story to the little girl at the hospital. 🥺

    • @droganovic6879
      @droganovic6879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      What story? Was he abused as a kid as well or what?

    • @Irisheddy
      @Irisheddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

      @@droganovic6879 He told a story about a little girl who lived in the same neighborhood he did, and he took her for granted even though he could see the pain on her face. When she died from abuse Munch felt very guilty he didn't do anything.

    • @miranda13c
      @miranda13c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      @@droganovic6879 When Munch was growing up, his neighbor was a younger girl who was being abused by her mother. Munch could tell that something wasn’t right, he felt like she was looking at him as a cry for help but he didn’t do anything.
      Then, one day he noticed she was gone and he found out that her mother threw her out the window and killed her.
      That’s why this case affected Munch so much. He had been carrying so much guilt ever since he was a teenager because he blamed himself for his neighbor’s death and felt he could’ve prevented her death.
      That’s also why this scene from the episode was so powerful because Munch knew exactly what to say to get this monster of a woman to confess what she did to her daughter.
      I believe the scene between Munch and Olivia that I referenced was immediately after this one. After Munch got this woman to confess, he went up to the roof and was crying/angry/upset so Olivia went up there and he opened up to her about it.
      *This is season 2, episode 4 by the way. Highly recommend watching the full episode! The mother actually tried to frame her stepson for it.*

    • @miranda13c
      @miranda13c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@Irisheddy Yes it was so sad to hear him tell Olivia how he blamed himself for it because he could tell that the girl was sad and felt like she was reaching out to him for help when he would see her through the window, but of course he had no idea what was really going on and it’s really awful knowing that stuff like this happens in the real world every single day. I just can’t understand how ANYONE could do that to a child, but especially their own parent.

    • @alexandraanderson3988
      @alexandraanderson3988 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They should have added that part there😔〽️

  • @darkmask5933
    @darkmask5933 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    If you listen carefully, while her body language seems to show she's sorry, her words do not. "I had no choice", "She was being mean", "It's what my mother did to me", even during her confession she is carefully laying out that she was the victim.

    • @ytafan4068
      @ytafan4068 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And she was. She was a victim of the same abuse as a child. I'm not saying she shouldn't be charged or go to jail. She did those things to her daughter. She deserved to go to jail. What I'm saying is her own parents deserve some of the blame, since their actions shaped her into what she is now. They made her the way she is. They deserve some punishment as well.

    • @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij
      @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @ytafan4068
      Which they already where were. Fact of the matter is once u have kids you are responsible for their well-being. It is absolutely on her for abusing her kid. I’m sure others Who were abused as kids don’t go onto do the same!

  • @Blackmambama
    @Blackmambama 2 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    People like the man who go the confession out of her are genius. His poise and calmness lured her to confess. She felt safe. He put his hand on her shoulder to attest that “its ok, I’m listening” ULTIMATE tactic. She wants sympathy and attention. So he gives her that in the moment so she cant sing like a canary 😂.

    • @ThogusDonatus
      @ThogusDonatus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      when he put his hand on her shoulder i was like woah Hold ya horsers and calm down there its getting a bit close for comfort

  • @jroxpone
    @jroxpone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +604

    you know what you do when a child is crying? you hug them/ you comfort them. that's how you get them to stop crying.

    • @JSmedic1
      @JSmedic1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Not all the time. Sometimes those tears are fake. Let them cry. They will figure out that you are not bound by their manipulations. They will respect you more, because they NEED you to NOT GIVE IN to them all the time.

    • @JSmedic1
      @JSmedic1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      This does not that you don't love your children. You live them enough to teach them some self-control, and boundaries; and that the world does not revolve around them. Genuine love has nothing to do with "feel goods" all the time.

    • @Aaron-zu3xn
      @Aaron-zu3xn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      the kid was crying because she had bleeding in the brain it causes an incredible headache and the kid panics because they can't see it's like being drunk everything spins and goes into tunnel vision

    • @REENIExoxo
      @REENIExoxo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@JSmedic1 There is something inherently wrong with your point of view.

    • @CeliMe007
      @CeliMe007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@JSmedic1 are you okay??

  • @samhart4205
    @samhart4205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    "She's not disappointed Munch, she's *numb* "
    This right here is Olivia's approach to every single case. She's ALWAYS, willing to believe the person crying 'victim' and found it hard for the *EVIDENCE* to take the lead. Alot of the time she got lucky, but sometimes the consequences were HUGE.

    • @angiki9988
      @angiki9988 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      That's exactly why it's so important to have multiple perspectives. None of them would get it right every time. They cover each other's blind spots.

    • @omarcogle1965
      @omarcogle1965 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@angiki9988True, but there's been a couple of times Olivia lost perspective on certain people.

    • @swimfast724
      @swimfast724 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I mean, you should always believe "the victim" at first if they're saying they've been victimized. You don't start off assuming they're lying. Innocent until proven guilty

    • @samhart4205
      @samhart4205 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @swimfast724 Yes. But Olivia doesn't let the evidence speak for itself. She let's her *personal bias and narrative* speak. Which makes her too close to every case, sometimes damaging it and emotionally damaging herself at the same time. Inefficient method of working as a police officer. Watching Olivia do that to herself hurts, not to mention it is so unhealthy.

    • @ArabicLover101
      @ArabicLover101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@samhart4205yes actually I’ve noticed that she is mostly inclined to blindly have faith in the victim which can get really annoying, and that’s what rattles her, because that makes her emotionally invested in the case, and her view of the situation.

  • @2degucitas
    @2degucitas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +879

    Belzer acting smooth and sympathetic got her to spill. It worked so easy.

    • @CarlywithaY90
      @CarlywithaY90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      He definitely deserved an Emmy or Golden Globe for his work in this show!

    • @laurainesacosta4631
      @laurainesacosta4631 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes He passed away Rest in peace

  • @msoileau83
    @msoileau83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +486

    I like how JK Simmons can easily transition from sadistic Nazi inmate to sweater wearing sensitive psychiatrist.

    • @juliobrian4757
      @juliobrian4757 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      ...and then the Owner of the Daily Bugle!

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@juliobrian4757 And Santa Claus.

    • @darkassassin6457
      @darkassassin6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@foolslayer9416 and Omni man

    • @otaviofrn_adv
      @otaviofrn_adv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      props to Christopher Meloni, B.D. Wong and Kathryn Erbe, majors in the L&O Universe and characters of Oz as well.
      I don't remember if I'm forgetting anyone else

    • @jrcarter9175
      @jrcarter9175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@darkassassin6457 And the youngest son of Avatar Aang.

  • @Thommy2n
    @Thommy2n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +970

    For stories like hers, one part of me is absolutely furious.
    Another part feels a little bit sorry for her, and can't help but think if her mom had been there for her and she got the help she needed, the vicious cycle wouldn't continue.
    In the end though, she made her own decisions.

    • @gammoregan
      @gammoregan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      It sounds like her mother was there for her the same way she was there for her daughter; "my mother used a hairbrush on me" she was abused by both her parents and mentally screwed up for life because of it.

    • @nathanchristopher2677
      @nathanchristopher2677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      my step -father grew up like this, his father was very abusive physical to him , his mom and siblings. Thankfully he is not like him. my step father has never laid a hand on me or any of his children.

    • @nathanchristopher2677
      @nathanchristopher2677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      my father also went through it with his three siblings, and of three of them: 1 is dead, 1 is in a mental hospital and 1 has slight mental issues. my dad has done well not repeating the cycle

    • @anayahdetwiler5045
      @anayahdetwiler5045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I don’t understand that. If i were abused as a child I’d do everything in my capable to protect my child from abuse. What in the world would make you abuse your own child. In this situation did the mother like hairbrush?

    • @thewrongshoes
      @thewrongshoes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      But the sad truth his her mom might have also been a victim of her own parents too. Without therapy or serious sole searching those patterns repeat over and over again

  • @adikusuma3839
    @adikusuma3839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +638

    Moral of the story? Don't spill your heart's content to a cop, coz what you say can incriminate yourself. Lol I love Munch

    • @foolslayer9416
      @foolslayer9416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Humans like being told what they want to hear. Interrogators use that to their advantage.

    • @dryb3301
      @dryb3301 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Moral of the story is not to abuse your own child for personal gain and don't ruin multiple lives in the process

  • @Sleepycat29
    @Sleepycat29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +780

    It's crazy people like her actually exist.

    • @shaheedsimon24
      @shaheedsimon24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      I always feel hurt for children who have "parents" like that, no child deserves it

    • @eldridgedavis
      @eldridgedavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep

    • @sam041390
      @sam041390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's the sad and tragic reality we live in

    • @yucol5661
      @yucol5661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It’s sad how hard people struggle to imagine it. You’d think people would be more worried about psychologically abusive parents than hyped white vans

    • @Sleepycat29
      @Sleepycat29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@yucol5661 I think there's weight in both. The white van is a really thing. So many kids get snatched. But there is this lack of concern on what happen behind closed doors. And between cultures and races and class of what parenting vs abuse looks like. The type of parenting I received growing up a lot of people would deem abusive.

  • @downbeatdialga1341
    @downbeatdialga1341 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    With Richard Belzer’s recent passing this year, seeing his earlier performances in the earliest SVU seasons like this one are absolute gems.

    • @joehoy9242
      @joehoy9242 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Check him out in "Homicide: Life On The Street"; he's arguably even better.

    • @PADRII
      @PADRII 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@joehoy9242 I will next week. IT'S FINALLY COMING TO PEACOCK!!!!!

  • @CeltycSparrow
    @CeltycSparrow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    Please tell me this monster was sentenced to a LONG prison sentence. She MURDERED her daughter.....because her daughter was CRYING.

    • @rosaliamoon4525
      @rosaliamoon4525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Don’t worry. It’s fiction.

    • @Bird-Birdy-Love
      @Bird-Birdy-Love 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@rosaliamoon4525 All cases LAO are based on real cases they just change the name and some of the circumstance, so sadly someone did have this happen to them :(

    • @taylorc146
      @taylorc146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Bird-Birdy-Love not all the stories are real but I can see this one being real for sure.

    • @effyvoux
      @effyvoux 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@Bird-Birdy-Love “Law & Order: SVU pulls inspiration from real-life events and national news stories but changes the details substantially to create original scripts that deviate from real life. ... Typically by the end of an episode, only a few details remain similar to the story that provided the case's inspiration.”
      This is from an article about the show.

    • @annakepes8050
      @annakepes8050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Its definitely a thing that happens with newborns and postpartum psychosis

  • @Rose-xy5pe
    @Rose-xy5pe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    It's horrible. I've always been so loved by my own mother that sometimes I forget how selfish and awful some mothers can be. When I was little I used to think that all mothers were loving and good like mine. It breaks my heart that some people don't have a mother who truly loves them.

    • @nutellacelery8830
      @nutellacelery8830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The funny thing is that some abusive parents actually love their child deeply. They just see their abuse as necessary to the child's development. We live in a twisted world.

    • @Rose-xy5pe
      @Rose-xy5pe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nutellacelery8830 Well my parents know the difference between strict discipline and abuse, and so did their parents.
      My parents don’t believe in corporal punishment and my grandparents had stricter methods but it was far from abusive.

  • @intothespiralingdepths3359
    @intothespiralingdepths3359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    My mom was just like her, she always fished for sympathy. She accused my dad of all sorts of things all whilst she cheated on him behind his back. When she tried to kill my little sister she called me a liar when I drew pictures of the exact knife when I was with a therapist. She hit me a lot, locked me in her car multiple times whilst her tablets were in the backseat with me and she shut me in my bedroom and wouldn't let me use the toilet or eat. I'm grateful that my dad saved me and my sister from her, I know for sure I'd be dead by now if I stayed with her. My dad gave me and my sister an amazing life and a future.

    • @laurainesacosta4631
      @laurainesacosta4631 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whoa

    • @felisd
      @felisd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hugs. I hope that you and your sister have found a way to heal from such a traumatic childhood.

    • @billie-jsullivan8581
      @billie-jsullivan8581 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your mom is pretty messed up I'm sorry you went through that but at least your life is better now

    • @industrialcathedral
      @industrialcathedral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would like to give you a big hug! You're amazing!

    • @Rylosalex
      @Rylosalex ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm truly very sorry that you and your sister had to go through that. Thank God your dad rescued the two of you. What happened to your mother? Is she in jail?

  • @paulcoy9060
    @paulcoy9060 3 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    6:00 Munch moves the chair, to be next to her, not across the table in an adversarial role. Pretty sneaky, Munch.

    • @alexisgrunden1556
      @alexisgrunden1556 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Man is very into psychology; he reads people, and he _gets_ people.

  • @zelly4914
    @zelly4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    The cycle of abuse is a terrible thing. Just a long terrible chain of victims and scarring.

  • @TheBizzle1984
    @TheBizzle1984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    Man, Richard Belzer is such an under-rated actor. He's so subtle and his pacing is perfect.

    • @laurainesacosta4631
      @laurainesacosta4631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He past away I saw the news today, I think the demise was recently.

    • @chynnablk7440
      @chynnablk7440 ปีที่แล้ว

      R. I. P. 💔💔💔💔😥😥😥😥

    • @kelisgoulbourne9908
      @kelisgoulbourne9908 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So true we love you Richard

  • @Orion3741
    @Orion3741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    Disturbing. The mother plays the victim part well. Until she gets outfoxed by a good detective.

  • @francessweeney2308
    @francessweeney2308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The fact that she didn't get treatment after the first blow to the head didn't help her case. Agitation after a head injury is quite common and is a sign of a possible concussion.

  • @MsTinkerbelle87
    @MsTinkerbelle87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    How come we never got more Munch interrogating, he was always gentle.

  • @GearsOfPizza91
    @GearsOfPizza91 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    9:43 the way her tone changes and the music kicks in when she confesses, sends CHILLS down your spine

  • @johnsanjuan9364
    @johnsanjuan9364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    That’s Scary! Never Treat a Child Like That!

    • @shaheedsimon24
      @shaheedsimon24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Right. This was such a sad episode, especially when Munch was telling Olivia about the neighbor who was abused by her mom who sadly died and the guilt Munch felt for not doing something

    • @johnsanjuan9364
      @johnsanjuan9364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shaheedsimon24 It’s Very Hard to Dealt with Child Abuse’s! It wasn’t Fair at All.

    • @shaheedsimon24
      @shaheedsimon24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnsanjuan9364 at all!

    • @nathanchristopher2677
      @nathanchristopher2677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i agree, to me parents that do that to their kids are some of the worst people in the world.

    • @danaabel1049
      @danaabel1049 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should never treat ANYONE like that -- esp. children, b/c they can't protect themselves.

  • @roselin888
    @roselin888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    My heart hurts after hearing her confession . How could she do that to her own child.

    • @queenesther09
      @queenesther09 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      First, because she's one of those people who isn't capable of caring about anyone but themselves, and second, she never got the help she needed to get over her own abuse.

  • @ToruKun1
    @ToruKun1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    MUNCH IS THE BEST CHARACTER OKAY 😭😭

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I liked what he said in the SVU episode Manipulated: “You’re under arrest for the murders of Vikki Riggs and Josie Post, and for assaulting one of New York’s finest finest.”

  • @marvinrichardduran8961
    @marvinrichardduran8961 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    In Loving Memory of: Richard Belzer (1944-2023)

  • @GaneshGunaji
    @GaneshGunaji ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Rest in peace, Richard Belzer (Munch). We will miss you and remember you!

  • @Irunwithscissors63
    @Irunwithscissors63 3 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    I love the way munch turns his back on benson when he questions her being ‘numb’.

  • @andreweggleston4410
    @andreweggleston4410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The part of this episode that was really disturbing was when Munch was telling Olivia the story from his childhood about the girl who was thrown through a window and killed by her mother and she said she needed to get another window now she was evil.

  • @ifeelpretty5790
    @ifeelpretty5790 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Just rewatched this, one of the best Munch-centered episodes. R.I.P. Richard Belzer.

  • @tbisurvivor1500
    @tbisurvivor1500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    The ending Munch reading to her sweet yet sad for the little girl. She may never wake up and if she does God knows how her life would be😪

  • @jessryan2104
    @jessryan2104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    This is an early Munchhausen by Proxy case. Impressed. Absolutely love this show.

    • @richardrobart-morgan3407
      @richardrobart-morgan3407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      There was also the episode with Billy the Toyman, but it turned out she used her little girl to bilk money.

  • @PeteSanctions
    @PeteSanctions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    His monologue after this is my favorite Munch moment ever

    • @richardrobart-morgan3407
      @richardrobart-morgan3407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It’s one of the defining moments of his character, it was well paired with him reading Dr. Seuss to the girl in the hospital.

    • @PeteSanctions
      @PeteSanctions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@richardrobart-morgan3407 I also liked anything involving people from past relationships,it showed he was as vulnerable as anybody else

  • @justinchristoph3725
    @justinchristoph3725 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    RIP Richard Belzer. You did a good job.

  • @bblulz7554
    @bblulz7554 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    “he poisoned her against me” oh my god she reminds me so much of my mother

  • @shaheedsimon24
    @shaheedsimon24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +205

    Richard Belzer did excellent in this episode

    • @mariaibarra5883
      @mariaibarra5883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah.

    • @eldridgedavis
      @eldridgedavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He's terrific

    • @devonjohnson3549
      @devonjohnson3549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      but they reflected on this like it was the best episode and they kept on going back to the drawing board with this episode that he has a connection to every single victim

    • @Zak6959
      @Zak6959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I heard the character of Stabler is coming back in his own series, it’ll be cool if Munch came back as the Lieu.

    • @devonjohnson3549
      @devonjohnson3549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think he's going to be focusing on taking down some crime syndicates to but it's going to have many crossovers with SVU that's what they mentioned

  • @TrinityTwo
    @TrinityTwo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Munch is always good with the kids.

    • @otaviofrn_adv
      @otaviofrn_adv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      uncle Munch to the rescue

  • @southjerseyghost3500
    @southjerseyghost3500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Munch is my favorite then benson and stabler, then ice t

    • @doublesahsunpowah6898
      @doublesahsunpowah6898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I know him as water T

    • @allietone20
      @allietone20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Benson, Stabler, Munch, Fin, then Cragen

    • @mcsmith35
      @mcsmith35 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stabler, Benson, Munch then Finn

    • @jjjmali2951
      @jjjmali2951 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doublesahsunpowah6898 ןןןפפפפפפפפפפפםפפפפםפםפפםםםםפפםפםפפםפפפפפפםםפםפפפפםפפםםפםםםפםםםםםפפםםפםפםםםםפםםםםםפםפםםפםםםםפפפפםפםפפםםפםםםםםםםםםפםםפםםםפםםםםםפפםפפםפםםםפםםםםןםפפפםםםםפםפפםפםםםפפםםפםםפםםםםםםםפםפפפפםפפפפםפפםםםפםםםפפפםםןםםםפםםםםםפםםפםםםםןפפןםפםפפםפםםםםפפפפםםםםםםםםםםםםפםםםםםםפםןםםפםןםםפםםפםפפםםפםםםםםפםפםפםפםםםםםםפםםפםםםןםןםםםןפםםפםםםםםםפםפפםפםןפםםפםפםפםפןםפםןםםםםפםםםםפםםםפםםםםםןםםםןפםםןןםםםםםןםםםםםםםםםןםםםןםםםםםםןםןםןםןםןןםםןםןםןןוםןםןםןןםןןםםםםםןםםםםןםםןןןןןןוןוןן

  • @laurendaley2503
    @laurendaley2503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    very tragic that a little girl is killed by her own mother.

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She wasn’t killed, just incapacitated; there’s a chance that she’ll recover, but she’s got a long road to recovery.

    • @laurendaley2503
      @laurendaley2503 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Aggression-hc3yp oh that's actually good to hear. I never seen this episode and I only seen this clip.

  • @dreamsyns
    @dreamsyns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Manz manipulated her so smoothly I didn’t even notice till I read the comments

  • @grant.thecreative
    @grant.thecreative 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Pain that is not transformed, will always be transmitted.

  • @bchearne
    @bchearne ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That was some creepy acting. She lit up when he showed her the file on her abuse, just as if he’d brought her a box of chocolates

  • @TotallyAwesomeMcknz
    @TotallyAwesomeMcknz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    It’s not related but I can’t get over Ice T’s little ponytail

    • @taylorc146
      @taylorc146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It’s time for that thang to go 🤣

  • @axiomist4488
    @axiomist4488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I love how people confess so easily on these shows . It's ridiculous. "Yes, officer, be nice to me and I'll tell you everything", I want to go to jail, I've heard it's fun ! "

    • @nutellacelery8830
      @nutellacelery8830 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can actually see this confession happening. She's basically addicted to the attention, she needs it to feel good about herself. She's also rationalizing the abuse and with her own traumatic past she's more mentally fragile. You would just need to push the right buttons with her kind of mental state. The charade was only able to last for so long because no on was actually looking at her in the first place.

    • @ny-sl6mn
      @ny-sl6mn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂

    • @Rand0mname
      @Rand0mname 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      You'd be surprised how often that works.

    • @MsTinkerbelle87
      @MsTinkerbelle87 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Go watch Chris Watts interrogation…they did the exact same thing.

    • @ArabicLover101
      @ArabicLover101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The key is rapport building. You have to build a rapport with the victim. He knew what she wanted, sympathy. So he used it against her.

  • @bigsteve032291
    @bigsteve032291 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Rest In Power Richard Belzer!!

  • @ToniJ.O
    @ToniJ.O 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    «Feed the junkie» 😆

  • @kaybee4132
    @kaybee4132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Love the tender side of Munch! Same with Fin! 🤩🤩

  • @amaryllis7482
    @amaryllis7482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "I didnt push her hard"
    Shes FOUR

  • @sstaners1234
    @sstaners1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This one I did a double take on. I thought it was the step son the whole time. By the end my jaw dropped. Munch is an incredible detective.

  • @marycampbell3364
    @marycampbell3364 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    May Richard Belzer Rest In Peace condolences to family and friends RIP

  • @shakeandjake_1
    @shakeandjake_1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like how Munch kept his hand on her shoulder to reinforce that need for attention she wanted. Interesting subtlety

  • @michaelmorton5698
    @michaelmorton5698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This nutjob couldn't distinguish between discipline and punishment. They are not the same thing. One is proactive (preventing misbehavior). The other is reactive (dealing with the misbehavior).

  • @SusanHukel-rm4lg
    @SusanHukel-rm4lg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When they showed munch telling olivia that story from when he was young,it looked like he was really crying at the end of it,for how guilty he still felt.it made me cry too.I felt so bad for him.that's why he does the job here.

  • @deniseball7764
    @deniseball7764 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Munch character was very underrated - RB played that character so well

  • @cheekyrabbit
    @cheekyrabbit 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So beloved was Detective Munch he crossed the television multiverse to got from Homicide: Life on the Street, to a guest on the X-files/Lone gunman spin-off to Law & Order. Not many actors get to take their role with them. Richard Belzer was amazing.

  • @laurainesacosta4631
    @laurainesacosta4631 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Rest in peace Richard Belzer Aka Det. Jhon Munch. 🙏

  • @CherryBlossomBlyue
    @CherryBlossomBlyue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I legit forgot that Oz and the Law and Order franchise shared a lot of actors

  • @Mr_Myers_
    @Mr_Myers_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "i threw her against the wall" that escalated

  • @tiffanymorgan6562
    @tiffanymorgan6562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Anybody else besides me excited to see Benson and Stabler working together again?

    • @kikigam7113
      @kikigam7113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I cant wait

    • @sarcasticallyrearranged
      @sarcasticallyrearranged 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was because I thought he was going back to SVU. I can't get into his new show.

    • @nessavanz
      @nessavanz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sarcasticallyrearranged I thought I was the only one, I really tried getting into Stablers show but it just isn’t the same

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So long as Stabler’s back, I could care less about which faction of the NYPD he’s in. Organized Crime isn’t a bad show.

  • @Mimi-cq4bg
    @Mimi-cq4bg ปีที่แล้ว +8

    My dad was beaten black and blue by his dad. He grew up and did the same to us kids.
    I’ve never spanked one of my kids let alone beaten them. I choose to do better.

  • @rosepuff321
    @rosepuff321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    This was a really difficult episode to watch. Unfortunately things like this happen everyday.

  • @tyrone6481
    @tyrone6481 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    its moments like 0:10 of this show that I LOVE!!! I see Det. Finn taking care of the kiddo in the background, watch him police at his best........................................and just remember back to that nice summer day at Lake Fairfax Park back in 1992 when I watched Ice-T and Body Count play their song "Cop Killer" live on stage during Lollapalooza lol

  • @Solararisa
    @Solararisa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Feels nostalgic watching this after Richard Belzer's passing. I didn't realize how old this series was before.

  • @sophiejaycolt4374
    @sophiejaycolt4374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Munch being nice is so funny

  • @stuartrobertkennedy8608
    @stuartrobertkennedy8608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    How is no one talking about JK Simmons being in this episode? 😂😂

  • @ginafesta9340
    @ginafesta9340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    whenever something happens to a parent or adult, it happen when they was young, and they doom to repaet it, i seen it once on another episode where a mom left her young daughter alone, while she got in jail for shoplifting, the mom don't want to leave her daughter with the bf, but it was shown why she was molest by her stepfather and was trouble girl who kept flirting with older men

    • @norafizahhar9480
      @norafizahhar9480 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What episode is it?

    • @ginafesta9340
      @ginafesta9340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@norafizahhar9480 it call downloaded child, season 15 episode 19 i beileve

  • @diannerodriguez8693
    @diannerodriguez8693 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RIP John Munch. You're epic

  • @ayanoaishi8489
    @ayanoaishi8489 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t understand why people feel the need to hurt children, I understand you went through a lot but that doesn’t mean you get to put others through the same thing

    • @danaabel1049
      @danaabel1049 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe a big reason for that is b/c it's easy to bully & abuse people who can't protect themselves, & can't, or won't, fight back -- esp. children

  • @eldridgedavis
    @eldridgedavis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Munch is amazing

  • @niabelizaire3596
    @niabelizaire3596 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of the best episodes in the entire series! ❤️💯

  • @Roonlovesfish3874
    @Roonlovesfish3874 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is very sad. Great acting as expected.

  • @DragonGoddess18
    @DragonGoddess18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Well, can't pretend abusive mothers don't exist

  • @vanessaa7602
    @vanessaa7602 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The ending of this episode has always made me weep. Richard Beltzer was excellent as Munch, but especially in this story.

  • @steeldriver1776
    @steeldriver1776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always had a crush on Olivia and always thought Ice T was out of place in this show. My soul is free now.

  • @ThatHungryAfricanChild
    @ThatHungryAfricanChild 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nice to see vern schillinger clean up his act, good for him

  • @niabelizaire3596
    @niabelizaire3596 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    RIP Richard Belzer 💔🙏🏾🕊️🪦🥀

  • @sarika811
    @sarika811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This episode was crazy af!!!

  • @master-of-many-fandoms2020
    @master-of-many-fandoms2020 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    John and Fin: The Ultimate Buddy Cops.

  • @chibaaa8322
    @chibaaa8322 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is hands down. My favourite episode that highlights munch. It was just touching.

  • @user-sg6jr8ox2x
    @user-sg6jr8ox2x 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Munch is very good 😊

  • @heyysimone
    @heyysimone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    He just let her walk right through that door known as "i just spilt my secrets"

  • @mikeysslice531
    @mikeysslice531 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RIP Richard Belzer

  • @bowlr9794
    @bowlr9794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Munch is the best, I miss him

  • @mawmawmakeup3602
    @mawmawmakeup3602 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    'People who tend to suffer abuse as children tend to repeat the pattern with their own children'
    I have to disagree.
    As someone who suffered horrendous abuse as a child... I can tell you that that cannot be further from the truth..
    I was sexually abused starting at the age of 3 until I was 15 and ran away to live under a bridge.. living outside under a bridge was better than getting sexually assaulted another minute...
    I ended up becoming a heroin addict.. I was on the streets til I was 25.
    I'm 32 now.
    I'm no longer on the streets..
    Clean off drugs.
    I have a husband and an almost 4 year old daughter.
    She is autistic.
    And I can tell you that she is my entire world.
    Shes never been abused in her life. Ever.
    Infact I have not once left her with ANYONE because I dont want what happened to me as a child to happen to her.
    She just started kindergarden and it's the first time in almost 4 years that I hvnt had her glued to me. As I said my main goal is to give her the childhood I never had..
    My best friend had an event worse childhood than I had. Her mom was a drug addict and her mom sold photos of her nude and in lingerie when she was a toddler to her drug dealer in exchange for drugs... she is 31 she has 4 children... she is literally the best motrì⁸r I've.. ever seen to ALL of them..
    She ALSO doesnt ever want her kids to face the same abuse she did.
    A lot of people who faces abuse as children.. try to break the cycle of abuse with their own children because they dont want their own child dealing with what we went through.. just saying.

  • @gabrielrioux2709
    @gabrielrioux2709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great to see Schillinger and Keller getting along again.

  • @sammiepittman3130
    @sammiepittman3130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Question: Can the police just lie about details like that?

    • @rosey3664
      @rosey3664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yes they can bluff

    • @user-jb7tq7ko7e
      @user-jb7tq7ko7e 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They lie all the time

    • @RockDay-wv8jq
      @RockDay-wv8jq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Actually called a bluff and they mostly use it to get the truth.

    • @blueturtle3623
      @blueturtle3623 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the question is more because if they were wrong, thats a seriously fucked thing to lie about.

    • @Aggression-hc3yp
      @Aggression-hc3yp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When someone is a suspect, use any means, including bluffing, to make them confess to a crime. If they can’t answer to it, they have either convinced themselves that they innocent or they really are innocent. Plus with new technology and tactics, the police can get answers faster and put the bad guys away.

  • @shanasapp6212
    @shanasapp6212 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember this episode, it gave me chills.

  • @giselestrauch5146
    @giselestrauch5146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love this episode for 2 reasons number one munch is great here and next my fave soap opera actor was featured in this legacy episode Paul Michael Valley from another world as Randal Mckenna a character so different from his role as ryan on aw!!!

  • @courtneyadams-belzer6046
    @courtneyadams-belzer6046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    yes, her mother abused her, it depends on which her you are talking about olivia or the little girl to answer your question

  • @patriciascott9805
    @patriciascott9805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    ✋ the abuse cycle physical sexual mental and emotional it doesn't do nothing but cause pain depression and anxiety suicide no one deserves to suffer like this 😢 broken-hearted broken 💔

  • @khaotictrash
    @khaotictrash หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “If she had been showing abuse symptoms for months, how come we haven’t found any hospital records?”
    I know that it’s just a TV show and this episode aired in the 2000s, but as an abuse survivor myself, this is an inaccurate and harmful generalization of abuse victims, whether they’re child victims or adult victims. Not all of us end up being hospitalized. I was abused as a child and I was never hospitalized for injuries, I’ve only ever been hospitalized for mental breakdowns, ODs and suicide attempts. Most of us have intelligent abusers who know how to hit us just where the bruises are easily hidden, and even if we do need treatment, we often never get hospitalized because neighbors don’t notice, or we don’t admit ourselves to a hospital out of fear. I very likely have years worth of unhealed fractures because no one helped me and I was terrified that I’d face worse punishment or even get killed if I said anything. This type of generalization in real life could further cause disbelief and scrutiny towards victims who never sought out treatment for injuries.

  • @johnathanfuentes5158
    @johnathanfuentes5158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I remember when he told this story the first time on Homicide life on the street. Just as sad

  • @darkfan4706
    @darkfan4706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Give me reasons to be wrong. I think that Belzer is just as decent a person as Munch.

  • @gtw4546
    @gtw4546 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Phenomenal acting. The nuances of her expressions were so perfect!