Me & Ben Sulsky aka Sauce Play $47,000 Pot at PLO!! Check or Bet Turn???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2017
- For this episode I have taken a look at a hand I played against Ben Sulsky aka Sauce123 at the $100/200 PLO tables on Pokerstars. This was a hand that I decided to take a non-standard turn line and ended up getting my money in very good. I hadn't realized how bad/good Sauce turn play was until I worked out the math in the video.
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If you want 30 second analysis you noobs should stick to no limit hold em
wait
EZ Game . . .
These Americans on TH-cam are always spending 15 minutes explaining ONE SINGLE HAND!
hahahahahahaha but you?? wait..
Jason Rentaponga lol I fold
Doug, Joe. What happened to table talk? Can't speak for the people, but I really enjoyed it.
"I disrespected the game with some plays, the thing is I run well" lmfao i fucking died papi when you said that
Mannnnnnnnnnn, I am downplaying how much I fucking disrespected the game when saying that. I've legit made some of the worst plays known to PLO man. I need some fucking emoticons on TH-cam to express this completely.
Even if in your videos you talked analysis for 17 hours straight id still watch it with zero breaks, love your content, definitely made me a better plo player #thegreatgame
I love how you always take backdoor quad draws into account, never heard that before you while discussing possible draws :D great vids btw its always tempting to go punt some on the PLO streets after NLHE sessions.
These videos are too good. You are awesome man.
Never heard backdoor quad draw b4, 😁😁
Keep the in-depth analysis coming bro,those videos are a premium learning tool.Thumbs up as always
Oh man, I wasn't looking for this Joey but I am so hyped you're making them. PLO will explode this year :D
Thanks for keeping the videos long.
PLO is a fantastic fascinating game. It is great to hear your words of wisdom.
I appreciate it, Papi.
Much Love Joshua. will try to get to your comments because they are really good but when I reply in written format it sometimes takes me a long time to do. I much prefer video format for almost everything i am doing right now
Thanks, any reply is most appreciated and not mandatory - often typing does take time.
Enjoy listening/hearing the insight of a successful PLO player.
Cheers, Papi.
HOOKERS BLOW YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOIN WITH THA MONEY
I Like the long analyzes and talk cuz as im new to PLO I learn a lot. Did not think about sitting with a reg when he is sitting at a soft table that his range would be wider and we could exploit it. Good point and. Great vid!
Superb video Joey!
Loved the overanalization part
These are my favorite Joeingram1 vids. Hand replayer with analysis! Thank you!!
The Papi King of PLO: Ambassador of the Great Game!
Awesome video Joe, cool rant. You are totally right! Keep it up man!
Great Video Joe! Love your stuff.
Thanks Alex!
I love this one man. Solid commentary and I miss 2008-2011 Joey but 2017 Joey is tight too
Nice content here Joey - enjoying your PLO videos...
you're the best Joey. I love the way you think and talk. It really motivates me to become a harder worker and therefore a better player and thereby shifting my love/hate ratio for plo more towards the positive.
sick value in these analyses keep it up joe!
niiiice vid!! Keep it up dude
Awesome break down of the hand. I love seeing how you think of plo.
Damn Joey... I've always watched your videos, knew you played the game, but never knew you were so successful and even took shots at these limits. Way to go man! Very impressive!
Thanks Jonathon
Enjoying the PLO vids, nice break from playi..... i mean paying rake on pokerstars ($115 rake paid in 8k hands @10plo this week)
Nice vid, good to see the plo hands, keep the great job PAPI
Thanks papi!! :D
One of the few times I've seen Joey get real and critical rather than relentlessly positive and non-confrontational.
:D
thanks from chile for the vid JOE great review, let see how much i can improve with it =)
Great video as ever. Definitely think it is cool to have a mix of some live hands and some hands from online endbosses (Sauce123, Jungleman, Ansky etc)
Just wondering - are the equities you showed really accurate? Correct me if I'm wrong but when you put in AsXs, doesn't it include every single combo with AsXs in it, down to the As9s7h2c of the world, which you for sure never 3bet out of the small blind? If so, there is a disproportionate number of lower-equity combos (because JJ, TT, JT are blocked by the board and KK, KQJ are blocked by Sauce's hand) in the range used for this calculation.
Also, do you think you take this line with all of your strong value hands and will never just bet with TT or JT?
Good shit Joey. Great content.
Love your hardcore analysis!
I like the Music concept in these hand analysis Great job Joey Thanks . . . -D1G1TALFOX
Good stuff Joey! 🙏🙏
Subbed at the topless scene. Priceless.
Hey man!!! I love that you are like if you aren't putting in work on statistics and analytics of your game and ranges then don't stop bitching.
However, I don't have a "poker buddy" to discuss hands and strategy with. I hope to study more of your videos in the future. :)
Thanks bro!
I'm going to listen to: 16:00 - 17:30 each morning. Currently winning micro grinder, will move up soon and incorporate this. Thanks Joe.
That was an awesome rant. Agree 100%
i honestly cant believe either ones move, the push and the call like wowzers! Thats big stack poker right ther!🤤🤤😨😲😁👍👍
Brilliant video
Channelling your inner Eric Thomas there a bit at the end lol
haha I get so fired up
Great vid :)
Thx Oskar :D
love the over analysis, please more examples of using propokertools!
Welcome to PLOker Hands! In today's episode, Joey gets into the Sauce and goes for broke. We're taking shots and running it up. Can we get our money in good? Does Ben call it off with enough equity? Let's run the numbers and find out.
:D
Never would have thought to c/r AI W/ AAxx here. Nice play.
Joe from 08 and 11 damn was a crazy guy! mucha festa. Love the explanation and time you take its really worth. Saludos from Perú
Thank you for 16:25 through 17:30ish Joey. Facing some brutal on and off the table variance on BlackChip right now (random funds missing, tables not opening and not being refunded), and I play the highest variance game on the site, BUT complaining won't get me anywhere, and I'm not working hard enough. Playing is easy. Going through ICMizer, dissecting the shit out of the main regs games, working hard on ranges and exploitative adjustments, that's what no one wants to do that I need to do more of.
Over Analyzing is synonymous with the opposite of Lazy.
Great video Joe. So this was Mar 20, 2012. When did your 100/200 shot taking begin? How long did you stay at this level? Any good stories you can share about this experience?
GREAT STUFF MR iNGRAM!!! :D
hilarious, insightful, and motivating. great fucking video!
Awesome work papi!
Thank you
I just finished a 10 hour session thanks to this video. Thanks for uplifting my spirit Joey!
Backdoor quad draw.
Legendary!
your doing gods work son.FTS!
what site is this? and which ones do you recommend for middle stakes plo?
If you bet turn and he shoved, what's your calling range and wht you consider his shoving range?
Last overanalizing thought, what's your river action in a bet/call or check/check turn situation?
(is this asking for too much free info papii?)
Great vlog buddy,constructive game analysis
PLOker hands, much love papi
Maybe I'm a nit but I think it's rare to get in 100 BBs with aces and no redraw and scooping. I'm usually looking for someone else to overplay their aces. I'm not criticizing, the action did make sense in this spot. I'll keep watching and hopefully fix some leaks.
i had to sub for the 2008 and '11 flashbacks
thx for sharing
:D
Keep talking bro... love when you over analyze everything in your vid. I’m listening 👂
i love the background music
:D Thanks!
love the video, thanx papi
Thanks Rabah :D much love
Love PLO Joe! Do you have any recommendations for a site to play on that is a legit site? I keep seeing more and more articles and people saying that the majority of the online poker sites are rigged. What site do you usually use for online? I used to use betonline but no longer play after hearing all this stuff about online poker.
if u have k7k10 instead do u still play the same line or not ?
Hey Papi!!! Do you know if verve.oasis aka Gabriel Goffi is still playing the great game online?
he always says backdoor quad draw like its nothing haha.
longer the better... let's analyze every possibility 💵 ...Also "what if" scenarios, where taking a certain line may be terrible or really good 👍 😎
I'd be okay with you making a 3 hour video on a PLO hand where you don't hold back at all and just talk about spots from every perspective and consider many factors and stuff! I would love that.
:D
You couldn't help but include 60 seconds of motivational speech, could you? I loved it!
What do you mean :D
I meant the part at ~16:00 that ultimately got me to stop wasting time at youtube like a moron and go continue analyzing monotone flops.
I guess he means the part about needing to do this type of shit to become a Jeans89 as opposed to a losing micros player like most youtube commentators.
This is a great video one of the best you've ever made when it comes to breaking a hand down but that background music makes it almost unbearable to watch just explain the hand we don't need the music thanks Joey you're the man
I thought you were going to go further into "over analyzation" regarding a check call scenario. That river card could have definitely scared you off the hand if you checked and he shoved. I thought you played the hand perfectly.
gah i
If he checks behind turn, whats your line River? on a Q, K 9.. and on a brick?
Every card is a straight! There are no bricks in PLO!!!
If it goes check check. GTO wise you call with stronger hands + we can have better bluff catchers and straights. Can come down to instinct since it is pretty much a straight or not a straight/busted flush draw or straight draw. Not only because he checks but it is just too thin to bet anything else. Just can go for instinct. We have a bluff catcher on anything.
3 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
5 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
6 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
7 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
8 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
9 Check/Fold (pray for a check)
Q Check/Raise (If Sauce bets)
Q Or lead for pot reaping AK
K Check/Raise (If Sauce bets)
K Or lead for pot reaping AK
Calling is reasonable. But you are in the guessing game. You could call on more reasonable rivers but Sauce123 is likely to bluff on these ones less if Sauce123 is balanced calling and folding should have the same EV. With a bluff catcher. Which is our hand.
QK/ he has the blockers so possible check raise. Check raise is often better since he can rep stronger straights. If Sauce123 bets half pot you can potentially get him to lay down 98 On a Queen river or Q9 on a king.
We do not look like Aces after checking, and high cards are in our 3 bet range so seems sound and balanced to me.
On spade defo check raising. With the nut flush blocker. This is the blocking hand to bluff with.
Maybe not though because with the nut flush we usually do not check behind the turn with it so is less credible. And we are probably leading like on the Trickett hand. So I think we bluff still. I do not know. It is close we have showdown value, yeah I think we bluff to fold out two pairs and sets. Betting 1/2 pot. Getting looked up by a flush.
you should call it polker hands
lol'd @ "come on cuh"
Hi, maybe it would be better to not show your opponent cards before showdown? Then we could be also assuming what are his range/cards? ;) Great job!
Joey I'm a NLHE guy, and always wonder why there isn't a NoLimit Omaha?? Or why it isn't popular.
play americas card room its constantly running. Honestly i hate it because people shove with aces pre flop and it pisses me off.
albert, are you the same fag with the greatest man alive avatar on 2p2 who complains about how hard it is to sell movie scripts but doesnt realize its hard for him to sell scripts because he sucks at script writing?
albert because of the hand equities running so close and protection being such a big thing , no limit Omaha will just be a preflop shove fest since there arguably for example is more money in just jamming the rag aces pre OOP instead of making a normal sized 3-bet.
Shadowrun 360 dafuuuuuuq. No mate I'm a different kind of idiot.
TIMS30 Thanks man, I see it now.
Bring back table talk!!!!!
I have a feeling
plo ep 1 link in description is broken
Thank you thank you thank you!
Isso faz tempo hein. Ate o Goffi jogava ainda.
The sims could be further refined to exclude combos of JT,QJ9,AsXs, that would never reasonably be in your 3 bet range, not a complaint though. Love these ploker hands vids.
Def agree, wanted to keep it simple but I should probably start doing that for future episodes.
Scott F why would those hands not be in a 3bet range? is your 3bet range literally just AAxxds?
Lachie Panetta no, referring to removing some QJ94, JT26 type hands not all JT QJ9 hands
Yeah Lachie, when you don't specify more variables in the input, it will add in every possible combination and many of those hands we wouldn't be 3betting preflop.
joeingram1 yeah I get that, but I think a hand like the QJ94 with a Q high suit would be a good type of hand to mix in as a bluff
its your content joey, you do you
joey how many hands of plo and nl have you played?
I think its about 4-5mm of NL and 3-4mm of PLO
10% of your bankroll in one game? That's how people go bust.
Keep the Great Game alive.
more chicken :thumbsup:
can you do a video about how to play the guitar?
I wish!!! I aim a big noob Oscar :(
Whoever the guys are who don't want strategic info here:
Get out of this poker channel!
To Joey:
Love your content, your knowledge and your passion for the great game of pot limit omaha.
Keep the work up!
Quick questions:
1.
Would you see more merit to checking AAT7 with a spade draw or without?
[Opposed to betting into Sauce 123]
2.
Would you see more merit to checking raise AAT7 with a spade draw or without?
[Opposed to check calling into Sauce 123]
3.
Also why do you see less merit to about letting the bingo player in if you hit the flop harder you are making more money from the bingo guy than a tough super reg like Sauce123, even if you have the best hand pre?
4.
If Sauce thinks you are shot taking. + the table is weak. Is there merit to calling wider?
Not letting the Bingo guy in. He will call any 4 probably. In this exact spot.
Imagine if he decides to 3 bet. He 3 bets to pot. Sauce moves in probably. You have Aces.
That is a dream scenario.
lol I love you, plz do not leave my comment area any time soon
Thanks, I am very pleased that a great player is taking note of the waffle.
I will make it my mission to write a comment as soon I see a new PLO joeingram1 episode :).
I think that you are perceiving his entire flop continuing range and turn betting range WAY WAY WAY 2 tight
>Polker hands
>PLOker hands
Coincidence?!!
Yeon
backdoor quad draw
Chicken for the gainz 💪
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Lol those old videos hahaha
Life is all about reps!
Repetition Repetition Repetition
How dare anyone suggest reviewing a random hand from 2012 is "hanging on desperately to one ultra pathetic degen feats of 'glory'"?
Would you do this if you didn't have the 10 in your hand joey?
Great question, you took it to another level.
We can look at it from an easy POV. Let's assume I only 3bet T+suited and I flat pre with my 9h < (minus the 7x.)
This is a really good thought experiment because if I think checking with the T is good, then what is the difference between J/Q/K? I wish I could talk this out in a video instead of in my writing because I would be able to sound much smarter about it than I can typing haha.
I need to make another channel for OVER OVER analyzing spots like this. I think I would bet my Q/K but I'm not entirely sure why if my expectations are that he is going to bet a big part of his range. Might be some argument to going for the C/R with the T and not playing a river but betting a Q/K.
Thanks for the insight Joey - Much appreciated man. Keep up the good work!
backdoor quad draw LUL
Be nice to Joe, Doug
do you think he snap call because kk is one of his strongest hands he can have in this spot so if he's folding kk he is only calling with 2 pair and that would be exploitable
No No No. It is completely irrelevant if it is the best hand or the worst hand Sauce123 has it just comes down to math do I have enough equity V the range of hands Joe Ingram is shoving. Sauce123 thinks it is a clearcut yes. And snap calls.
I would not expect aces to go for the check jam, usually I would just expect aces to continue betting. And it does look more bluffey this line, in my view or two pair(y). But regardless aces is the scare hand and the only hand Sauce123 is clearly not getting the right price against.
V a naked JT (AJT9 - for example) Kings has 25% equity. It really is not doing that badly against two pair.
+ It is really is a snap call when you give it some thought.
When you are V a pair and a wrap Kings is between 67% and 57%. Add IN the flush draw a pair and a wrap it is a coin flip 42.5% for the kings or maybe 50% depending on the strength or wrap and potential danglers.
Just need to guess what Joe's range is and make an assumption if we are 31% or not?
And if AA is the worst hand we can face, then yes - we are. Unless Joe doesn't often go for the C/R bluff with a combo draw.
Joe could 3 bet JJ but generally plays better in single raised pots and is happy letting the big blind in.
A double paired hand is more of a deep stacked play to 3 bet for deception - where they are too short to have this deceptive value with JJ44.
So Joe isn't at the top of his range but he has the top of his range against Sauce123's hand which is a very very fortunate result.
But Sauce123's play is good - assuming Joe takes this line as a bluff and has a wider 3 betting range than AAxx.
Just depends on numbers and combinations. KK is behind AA by a significant amount. But not that far behind JT (okay not enough to call) - but you do not need to add many hand combinations for this call to become automatic.
This is a very interesting hand because initially you would not expect the numbers to work out in favour of a bet / call for Sauce with a hand as weak as 2 kings no redraw - but the numbers are in favour of calling, in my view.
Although, does depend on how much weight you give different hand combinations to Joe's range.
The equity is slightly higher V two pair - 27.50% the gutter has 3 outs not 2 outs. So he is only 3.5% of calling equity V JT.
If you are Sauce given Joe's line - in reflection I would not be scared. Who plays aces like that anyway ;)
KK isn't one of the strongest hands he can have. He has lots of two pairs, some sets and certain combo draws (albeit only the best ones) that are all stronger than his actual hand.
2017 me would buy more chicken? Hmm
Gotta get those gains
No offense but the vids pretty drawn out and got pretty stale towards the middle. I recommend you plan out what you are planning to say before recording so you get into those pondering tangents