Farmertec Holzfforma G444 Unboxing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- The G444 has arrived. Seems like a good saw, but it does have a problem that I will have to deal with Holzfforma to fix.
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UPDATE I have heard back from Holzfforma and the replacement tensioner is on the way.
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Just like the 044, they were one of the best designs ever made by Stilh, I had a partner back in the 80s that carried those. They were light and could be carried all day long without breaking your back.
Love this video sir. Informative, satisfying and fun to watch. And either the saw is light or you're just a tough ol bird.
I've had similar issues on others series of saws from this company with the supplied adjuster in the kits, the replacements that were ordered were of better quality and worked and functioned as they should. For some reason it seems the as supplied adjusters that I received in the kits are of a cheaper quality or from a different vendor than the replacement parts. Either way the saws were still of good quality. I elected to just purchase the replacements from huztl cause they were just a couple dollars at the time rather than go back and forth with emails a pictures and dealing with the time difference. If it was a bigger issue I most definitely would contact customer service but that's just me.
Good video though
True enough. Ordering a 3 dollar part with 5 dollar shipping still makes it cheaper than buying the part from a local stihl dealer as well. Granted the dealer may be able to get it faster. Of course don't mention it's for a clone or they throw a fit LOL. I have plenty of saws to use in the mean time so dont mind emailing through the time change.
@@DIYwithUncleCy A Blue Stihl clone can hardly be passed off as a fake so I'd give some leeway to that saw if I where a dealer. I actually like the blue but respect original colors for replacement parts. The problem arises when people build the clones and put the Stihl Logo on it. That is a major No No IMHO. I love my 066 that I built but I'm fine with it being Hutzl and I will always present it as such. Chinese clones have burned many people, it's really bad in the guitar world.
It will interesting to see the g388 vs g444 video
Well after a lot of research and thought on my next saw I've decided to go with the G444. I almost went with the 372XP Husqvarna clone but it's been out of stock for weeks.
I cant wait to get my hands on a g666 but I've really got all the saw power I will ever need. I'll get a few for back up saws.
Hi Cy, this is one of the only thing that I have seen other people have problems with. They are made out of a little too soft steel. If you continue to have problems, you might have to put a OEM part in it. The one on my G660 feels a little weak. So I always grab the bar and help it so not to over work the mechanism. Especially with a long bar. You just started cranking on it with out helping it and holding up on the bar. If you do that with the new part the same thing will happen again.
Just a little friendly advice. 😀😀
Your friend Al.
Had another commenter said he had that problem and bought the replacement part from them and it was of much higher quality. It is not unusual for companies to put parts from different sources into their equipment then sell parts from yet another source, I think that may be the case here.
I like the blue over the normal orange -white combo. Sure good looking build. Witsh the G388 would have came with a 3/4 wrap handle.
Need a camo version!!
I am planning to buy one of these saws. I'll get an OEM chain adjuster for it. Same with the bar bolts. It seems a lot of these saws have this issue. Not a big deal the OEM tensioner is around 25 bucks.
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I'd love to eventually get one of these big saws to go with my small collection. I mostly look at older vintage saws since you can get a lot of saw for a decent price. But there are just some older units you can't use as everyday drivers since parts are few and far between. My MS251 is a great all-rounder but you eventually need something like this to work on that one tree that's just too big to use your normal tools on. Plus if something breaks I can put an OEM Stihl part in it to replace it. That and the blue looks better than the typical orange/white look. :)
At least the STIHL parts will fit if your stuck
Great vidio cye cant wait to see the saws milling
This has been reported as a common issue, the can be shimmed, but your best bet is to use in OEM tensioner.
Another great video Cy, I don't think there's any excuse for not knowing how to do something nowadays within reason obviously as - Brain Surgery is probably best left to professionals lol......
Not that it applies in this case, but on some saws with gear drive tensioners, there's a small plastic plate keeping the gears engaged.
The plate flexes too much after some age/wear-n-tear. They're pretty easy to duplicate in sheet steel. Then they work like new again, as long as no one has tried and tried to get tension,
(probably with the nuts or other bar holding device too tight for adjusting) only to strip the gears.
True but this one was actually installed improperly and so the first time I put pressure on it it stripped the cogs on the gears. The replacment has held up quite well and was identical to the one I took out. But you are correct on the plastic part failing to put propper pressure on the gears in some cases.
Take the tensioner from the one with the busted starter housing while you wait for the replacement parts. Overall quality on these looks to be improving, but perhaps hit or miss (more hit than miss). Having hands on, how do you think they'll do for longevity? Assuming they aren't being abused, just used. I guessing alloys on the major bits are different from Stihl, but if they are meeting some minimum level and are lubricated they should be reasonable. Good looking spectator in the background (the dog :) ) Merry Christmas.
Looks to be a good saw if you want decent power but don't want the weight of the 660? I'd be looking to run a 24/25" bar for some oak and ash felling mainly. I've got a 62cc Chinese saw already, but it's a Amazon 'special'. These look better in terms of overall quality.
That is my thoughts. at 5.3 HP it has the ability to pull a pretty big milling bar.
@@DIYwithUncleCy that's a decent HP rating. My 62cc is rated at 3.2hp. 2.1hp increase with only an extra 10cc. That's a pretty damn impressive engine!
Yes. The MS440 it is cloned after is a very high compression saw. Hence why it has the compression release for starting it. I pulled it with the compression release off and nearly pulled myself over rather than the rope up LOL.
Nice one, thanks. Think I'll get one of those ordered once the festive season is done. Have a good one!
Saw looks nice but the tensioner issue would drive me crazy. Does huztl send you a replacement? How is the customer service if you have issues?
hey, can you maybe suggest they send something my way
Merry Christmas From The Frosty Maritimes In Canada ATB T God Bless
Maybe it needs a shim like Walt talks about on the tensioner?
I'm looking to buy either the 388 or this 444. Other than the air filter differences and the slight power increase the G444 has, what are the differences? Which one do you like better Cy? Keep in mind that power is important to me as I do most of my cutting at 6,600' and some at around 8,500' above sea level here in Colorado.
Honestly they are nearly identical in the hands. The 388 may be slightly heavier. Never thought about the altitude thing, next time I go out to my sisters place I will have to take a few saws and see how they perform. She lives at 8500 feet.
hows the 105cc holding up? I figure if it can handle the hard work you put it through for a year it’s a good saw.
It is running fine. But the G660 will probably replace it as the milling saw. But this means I can go ahead and disable the govenor and see if it will get some serious RPMs.
@@DIYwithUncleCy If you have a failure while tinkering with the 070, Hutzl sells a piston & cylinder kit for a 090 that'll fit on it. You can up the cc's on it if something bad happens. I found it while looking for parts for my blown Husky 570. Sadly all they have for the 570 is an air filter, but since the 575 was essentially the same saw they have all kinds of goodies for that. :)
DIY with Uncle Cy i think the 105 just looks cool its like a new antique saw. how does it stack up to the G660.
I have thought of that just wasn't willing to risk it till I had another saw that could fill in if something did happen. I hope to do a Milling competition soon (when the parts on the 444 and 660 are replaced) we will see then.
@@DIYwithUncleCy I'm anticipating your saw "Mill-Off" video. It'll be funny if Old Gramp's (070) out-does the Whipper-Snappers (G444, G388, so on). :)
If you could only afford to buy one saw with your experience running them would you buy the G444 or G660
Well they both have their place. The 660 is heavier so if you are walking a ways with it the 444 would be better. If you are planning on just milling then it the 660 hands down. I use the 660 for the mill and the 444 and the 444 for felling.
@@DIYwithUncleCy Thank you
I like that coat. What is the brand?
It is one i bought here in KC at a Menards. if You don't have a local Menards you can look them up and do an online order.
Is Farmertec the new Yuzhoukee? I can't find that brand anymore, but notice that they both use blue plastic in their saws. Chain tensioners being stripped seems like a common problem. I have two name brand saws I have to fix the tensioner on (and it's likely those parts are made in China) even though the saws are supposedly made in Germany, and America/Japan and cost me big dollars.
No two separate companies. Yuzhokee only sells on eBay. And yes tensioners are one of the most common things to fail on chainsaws no matter who made them. At least they are not difficult to replace most of the time.
Had to be the free one
Looks good from here?
Awesome advertisement for the free saw send you out a junker
Aparently you haven't seen the other videos this is one of the best saws that I have. It was an easy fix got the part and replaced it and haven't had a problem since. Monster power in a reasonably light weight saw. So no not a junker at all.
You did not loosen the bar enough, Thats why its stripped
If you ever want to sell any of your Chinese saws, I'll buy it.
I'd like to get one of these. I have a OEM Stihl 440. I'd like to do a head to head.
I've got one I'll sell you I've had nothing but problems with it I'm very disappointed as it was an investment for work.
I'm interested in purchasing a g444. Do you know if they have a better quality chain tensioner now? Any recommendation to the type of Chainsaw Mill and rail you would suggest for this saw as well?
Chain tensioners on these saws fail, no way around it. It is a rare thing to have one fail out of the box though. And I blame myself a little on this I may not have had the Bar nuts loose enough. So I would not put too much concern on that, besides I think the replacement part from them is less than $3 plus shipping which will still be cheaper than getting a Stihl part locally. As for the mill The one I have from them is pretty solid, I will be getting it back out this spring too. And their price is right too.
Looks like they made that out of some really cheese quality "metal", a few quality control issues to sort out still?
Their QC has been quite good with everything they have sent me or that I have ordered. The G660 problems were due to the freight company. This is the first time I have gotten one with a problem. I have had others comment about issues that they have had, however this company has sold A LOT of saws and the complaints have been relatively few. Any newly released product is bound to have issues or there is always the possibility of a bad run of parts. To judge a company by a mistake without trying to contact them to rectify it is not a good practice. And actually I e-mailed them and sure enough the part has already been shipped. So their customer service wins the day. Out of the few Chinese companies I have gotten to deal with they seem to have one of the better QC programs. Are they perfect? No but overall they have more wins than loses I think.
I have a Stihl MS 390 that ain't starting, if you want some good video material I'll send it to ya and pay ya to fix it... Classic saw that needs some love.
Drop me an email at cythedrumguy@gmail.com
Let me get some details on it and send a photo. I'd love to make the comparison.
You should make a one year up date video after use
Well I would but am going through chemotherapy right now so makes making videos a bit difficult.
Sorry new channel. Your health is way more important
I was interested in the g372xp saw, how do you think the g444 compares to it power wise? They have the 372 listed as having more power
I haven't looked into the Husky clones that they carry just yet. Was going to get a 372XP clone, but when they released the JonCutter series decided to try them out. They are Zenoah clones, Zenoah is owned by Husqvarna too. I bought the 3800 and they are sending me a 4500 to try out too. I am a little concerned about the lack of parts for these saws but have been assured by Farmertec that they plan on releasing a parts list for them as well it will just be a while before they are available.
How do you find engine rebuild for this model g444?
How can these guys send you free saws, or saws in payment for a few review videos. But they refused to send me replacement parts for my G660. I had broken parts on my saw when it arrived and they refused to help me and make it right.
In a single email they arranged to send me the parts for the G444. The G660 they sent after it was refused and they already knew and were sending the parts. So I have no idea what was going on in your particular case but it was certainly not the way it was for me
DIY with Uncle Cy thanks for the reply. Yeah, I really don’t know why they just blew me off. I sent them pictures of the damaged parts and they just kept making excuses instead of sending me the replacement parts. Great vids, keep it up!
Was the chain sharp at the beginning?
Chain tensioners are a common failure on Chinese saws.
Chain tensioner are a common failure on all saws once they went to side tensioners. I've had to replace them on Stihl and Husky, as well as Poulan and Tanaka. Dont really see it as a Chinese issue.
How's the quality of they're bars & chains
Still testing them but so far so good. On the carving saws I have Stihl bars so the Hotz bars don't get used quite as much.
See if they’ll send you a G366 to review.
Uncle Cy, you should build a saw buck for yourself, when do these saw demos. Cutting big rounds. I would like to see a professional logger use these clone saws for a day. Do you think these saws could hold up to the task? Where's your G372 (365) by the way? Haha!
The G372 is un available right now. I spoke with them last night (via e-mail) and instead they are sending me a Jon Cutter G4500. I also have a G255 and a G3800 on order (that I have paid for, not every saw I get is free, Darn it LOL)
Wow, I can't believe how many clone saws are available through Hutzl. They're kind of fun to see online, I just hope they don't take away from the real thing. I have the MS170, MS251C, Husqvarna 340 and 353. The Echo line of Japanese saws are great. I personally like the CS-590 Timberwolf 59.8 cc. Such a wonderful saw. Highly recommend it. I lean toward Husqvarna as a personal preference. I love chainsaw bottom line, lol!
Cy I am really intrested in purchasing the g660 and g444 curious to where to get them
Links are in the description.
That's what I was curious about if there was a place in the states to order them. And thank you for the quick response.
And I am a huge fan of the videos that you make.
Is the g466 bigger than the g444
The 466 is about 5 cc bigger than the 444.
Hey Uncle Cy. I bought a G444 a few weeks ago and have noticed a pretty big fuel leak with it. I haven’t gotten anywhere with the customer service at huztl. Any recommendations?
Thanks,
Nate
What Is the best chainsaw you ever gotten?
Really depends on the job needing to be done. For limbing the top handle saws are my preferred go to or a small saw like my MS171. But for felling the bigger saws are nicer and with the big saws the verdict is still out, as I have several recently acquired saws that I haven't gotten to use much. For carving I have recently been using my little Tanaka a lot but have some others ordered that ,y be replacing it for that use. SO really its hard to say what the "best" saw is.
I am going to buy me the G388 with the 24"-25" bar & chain
I have been reading up on this brand of chainsaws and i like G388
Hae firma ?
Wish I could afford one but I only have 100 dollar's
You need to dress a new chain, it will cut much faster!
Actually that was a brand new chain never touched wood before this video, so no you would be mistaken.
I understand it is a new chain, but I have researched that new chains aren't always sharp, just try it, it works.
Oh yes absolutly. which is why I sharpen any new chain to "MY" specs before use. Not all new chains come at correct angles so I check them for proper grinding angle. This one had the correct angle and the teeth that I looked at were sharpened properly. No I am well aware of this fact and check all my new chains. The wood I was cutting in this video was rock maple and it was from the base of the tree, which means a lot of swirling grain not easy for anysaw with the sharpest chain. But thank you for thinking about such things. I do appreciate the comment.
Now that I re-read your comment I realized you did mean touch up and not necessarily sharpen.
Nothing cuts like a hand filed chain.
You shoud buy original tensioner for stihl ms 440 probably this from youre chainsaw its broken i wonder do they ships that saw to clijent from Poland?????
I am not sure. I would think so. The link is in the description.
Ok i wish you merry christmas and happy new year 2019 and a lott of sadisfaction from using youre chainsaw`s good luck i also love using gas chainsaw!!!!
Ok thank you !!!!
Not the best piece of wood to break the saw in, looks bone dry and hard as hell