Cutting Down a HUGE 170ft Tree with a $289 Stihl ms200t Knockoff! Holtzforma G111 Review!
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Thanks Jake for being part of that job it was definitely a once in a lifetime thing for me to climb on the same job as the Tom Brady of tree climbing 🤟
Are you saying Jakes balls are deflated lol can't be the way he climbs
maybe Mark Sanchez
@@murphy4trees Tom Brady 🌲
Wish you were given more on camera time and for more comments on your take of the US and Jacobs poor sense of humor.
@@iffykidmn8170 I was thrilled to be able to work with him camera or not 😁
You know you're a true tree man when you tune a carb whilst climbing the tree. Hats off to you Jacob
Pulled the little screwdriver outta his pocket, thought i was watchin a Buckin Billy Ray vid for a second😅
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And god damn dual-wieding chainsaws. Damn.
@@danielbabcock7004 reminds me of one of his videos too
Why is that any different than putting a thrown chain back on, up a tree?
There is nothing more badass and satisfying then watching this line of work
Dual wielding top handles at 70' up a tree... He's in akimbo mode, while climbing with an akimbo.
What a legend.
Can you please explain what you are saying?
Akimbo G18’s!
@Pèék - Well that was an exceptionally thorough response, and I do appreciate it! The part about how so many people are against using a saw with one hand, I am already familiar with; the whole "Akimbo" stylistic aspect is completely new to me. Thanks for taking the time!!
Jake I am retired from Marine Construction and live in Maine. I found your channel a couple of months ago and had to tell you that I really enjoy the videos. When I started following channels on You Tube years ago the first one was doing tree work. I have always been fascinated by you guys rigging limbs to get huge trees down in extremely tight places. I am enjoying you channel because you travel around so we can see challenges with different type trees in areas we usually don’t see and you work with some awesome people using different methods,gear and equipment. Just had to let you know I appreciate your channel and glad I subscribed. Keep up the good work! 👍👍👍
I like how Micheal asked if he could take pictures. Respect
Jake I would argue your relevance as an arborist to anyone as the best….and being humble and not arrogant puts you in a different class my friend…your an inspiration brother
What a good job travelling around meeting new people and climbing bloody big tree’s and seeing views that you’d only see from an aircraft or lookout station thanks for sharing your life with us
Great Job. I love how you stay humble and thankful all the time.
Thank you for clean language your videos are very fun to watch and you guys make a great team!
Jake you are an amazing young man. I like how you handle yourself in the different kinds of trees you climb. Your work ethic is spot on. Your teaching methods are appropriated and your jokes makes others smile. You are a unique man and I enjoy watching you work. Keep it up, you will go far and wide!
Thank you very much 🙏
I feel the same way. I like the way you have worked with and showcased the styles and work methods of other arborists. Awesome!
One saw in each hand sounds like a wiki how technique for arborists.
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@@GuiltyofTreeson Sword fighting/reenactment community, it's called "dual wield" or "case of (weapon type)"
So, you dual wield case of chainsaw! 🤣
Edward Chainsaw Hands
"If you cut from both sides of the branch simultaneously, you will achieve double speed, and nothing could possibly go wrong"
It’s so satisfying watching you work. Especially when you’re stoked like you are in this one!
That was the biggest mistake that company made was stopping making 200T
Stihl is making a lot of mistakes.
The 461 😞
I did a Douglas Fir tree like that in the late 80's in a town called Carver, Oregon. It too was about 170 feet tall, or more. I put a pull line about 15 feet from the top and then dropped down around 15 feet to top it. After I did the cut and the top toppled off there, it seemed like it took forever to hit the ground. I needed the pull line because the tree was about 10 feet from a home, so I wanted to do my best to not let it go the wrong way. I took another 50 feet out of it the same way. After that I quit climbing because it was too exciting. All these years later I just can't think about it. I wasn't strong enough to get even that tiny mac 10 up the tree, so I got up there and used a rope to pull it up. I was foolish to do that job but I had a hard time with NO.
i think auto-correct struck, and highjacked the authors "exhausted" to "excited". thats the nice thing about old school work, none of this computer nonsense!
@@jimk.9493 heart can't take all that excitement 😉
“The more arborist videos I watch, the more I realise how good August Hunicke is” posted on your video, you gotta admit that is funny, 😂 you do ok too jake 🙂👍
Truth hurts 🤣
@@j.debolt Dave Colman is a good climber, he never puts any videos out. One video a year, no one will talk about you.
Jacob is just as good of a climber
I like watching August videos but he has been getting a bit preachy lately IMHO, almost like he is turning into another BBR. LOL
He's almost as good as Damien lol
great work & video as usual Jacob. awesome to have someone come a long way just to cut down trees & to see the enjoyment they had
Seems Irish trees don't grow so tall. 😂👍👍
Saw arrived yesterday th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and today I cut about 3/4 cord of wood with it. Make sure you get an extension chord that is at least 12 gauge wire, minimum. This is my first electric in about 10 years, and things sure have improved. The self-sharpener works great, and it just kept cutting through some pretty decent logs. Wear your eye protection, and ear protection. Excellent saw.
Why would you wear ear protection for an electric saw 😂
Dude you are really good at what you do. It definitely takes skill and climbing is not for the faint of heart. I did tree service for about a year and learned a lot in that year, it was some of the most physically demanding work I have ever done. I am a carpenter by trade and I’ve been a carpenter for over 20 years but always enjoy being able to take on some smaller tree work on the side. I have a lot if respect for what you guys do. Your channel is awesome, you put out great content and I love learning new shit from watching your videos. Keep on keeping on brother
Thanks man!
@@GuiltyofTreeson you live like 6hors a wey
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@@GuiltyofTreeson those little chainsaw that you’re holding it’s so awesome 😎 🪚🪚🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
Brother watched this whole vid from start to finish and was thoroughly impressed on ur review of the saw and tree takedown, well done sir 👏🏻
forget all the skill and precision on the felling and trimming,,,,,im just amazed at the strength, stamina, knowledge, and planning in climbing waaaay up there all the while carrying two saws and lots of extra equipment!! Guys you had me on the edge of my seat here on the couch in alabama the whole time!! i get nervous any time a limb or trunk falls, hoping its not somehow entangled in your equipment and pulls you down also!! Im glad i had a mathematics job doing rocket research for 36 yrs with both my feet on the ground. Im only confident with a small saw, my feet flat on the ground, and a tree that doesnt need limbing before felling!! My complete respects to you and also the ground crew who do an excellent job of supporting you at every moment!! Stay safe!!
Is that kind of work a sport, a craft or a skill?
You guys are beyond awesome and it's absolutely mesmerizing watching you scale such heights to do your work.
As someone that does a bit of all different trades and as a novice climber, I would say craft and skill. Though some climbers do compete to be the fastest in regulated competitions at which point it does become sport. But it's bar none the hardest thing I've ever taken on in my life. So you are truly watching a master of the craft here.
You guys are pros. Now I know why tree service is costly, you need an insane amount of skill to fell these gigantic trees. Thank you for the video!
I've wanted to buy a saw so I don't have to keep borrowing my father-in-law's. But I couldn't justify spending the money on a brand new Stihl that I'll only use a few times a year. These Holtzforma knockoffs look like a great solution. I can spend a few more bucks on mods and end up with a solid saw, at least for homeowner use. Thanks for the reviews!
"But I couldn't justify spending the money on a brand new Stihl that I'll only use a few times a year."
There are several real Stihl models that are significantly cheaper than the $289 Holtzforma knockoff in this video. The MS 170 is only $180 right now on Stihl's official website (usually $200) for example and should be more than sufficient for "homeowner use a few times a year."
Tree Surgeon for 16 years here, instead of cutting straight through stubs, do a step cut free fall, the snap pop lets the stub fall of more vertical, than a cut straight through, for smaller stuff, use a "slash" cut, 45-degree angle, fast sharp saw, one cut and the limb will fall at the same angle it is on the tree.
I did power line safety clearance, working close or above the power network, needed precise cuts and skill, i held WL1 Scottish Power authorisation, we could get closer to the live lines than most linesmen.
The 200T is 35.2 cc
The cs 355t is 35.8 the echo is around $350 muffler mod and timing advance they do good. It would be a shoot out of the cheep saws.
I have had my echo over a year it is a runner, toss the stock chain. Anyway keep climbing have fun. Catch ya later.
Love my Echo top handle saws. My CS355T sounds like a dirt bike.
@@Billster1955 that other guy who I will not mention out of respect for Jacob(lol) has been running the 2511? with Panther bar and it seems to be doing good. I am running a 355T but I am a nobody.
I was going to comment the same thing. I have a 355T and it's only 35 bucks more and made in Japan. I'd be curious how it stacks up to this Chinese one.
@John Dunbar @Blister1955 broken a 355T yet? I run one that I ported, with a panther 16” bar and chain from august. Rips. But the forward screw mount of the top handle breaks off the crankcase REALLY easily. Don’t drop it and don’t haul like a gorilla on a pinched saw.
@@iffykidmn8170 you are not a nobody.
Fun job - thanks for bringing us along! Always fun sending big wood flying from above
From and old Tree topper . I could sit here and comment on you all day long man but your work speaks for itself. Great job.
i've seen people drop trees before, but that was another level ..great job guys
Sitting thinking - why do I like watching trees being cut? Idk
I also like seeing where they fall to, even the small branches.
I think Jakes personality comes into the mix too.
Best wishes & keep safe from 🇬🇧
I have been doing trees for a minute and I never got spiking down. Just was too slow. It's cool to see someone that's good at it cruise around.
Love it. Just fell 20 ft out of a tree yesterday. Was double tied in but the cypress couldnt support me. I broke my foot. Cannot wait to get back into the saddle again. In the meantime your videos will sustain me on my 4 weel recovery 😊
You should review the 201, there’s hardly any 200t’s left and if you find one they’re ridiculously overpriced. Thanks! Love the videos!
Agreed, but preferably a built one to run against the limb reaper
I run a old 020t and about to get a 201t for a pruning and back up saw I know I'll be disappointed in the power but I'm not paying new prices for second hand saws
@@backwoodslogging8443 i have a built 201 and i love it. But I’ve never ran the 020/200 so idk how it compares
I’ve owned a 201tc for a few weeks now, so far I really like it. Admittedly I’m not running it every day all day in a tree, but it’s got solid power and cuts fast. It was a huge improvement over our previous 194t.
@@backwoodslogging8443 open up the muffler and advance the timing and the 201 does great. Buy new like you said you would; later ones come with a pop-up piston for more compression and make noticeably more power. The original ones were EPA-saddled dogs and gave the model a bad rep.
The holzfforma saws are pretty badass for how inexpensive they are. Ive done multiple tree jobs with my 372xp clone and never even had to use my backup.
Trade them saws out like golf clubs. Total respect to all you tree men.
Awesome. You even got your Lucky Charms jab in.
Dwight's Tree Service just dropped off a huge cottonwood less than 12 hours ago. The base was over 6' in diameter.
love how you show the real work!! in a tree removal
I was under the impression cottonwood trees were used to make heels for women's shoes. Jake you have balls of steel for climbing. I guess if you have done it as long as you have, you get used to it. Happy New year.
Jake out here dropping straight heat 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 me and my brother who is a fellow climber we love your videos!!! Keep up the great work! My favorite video is your saw collection I thought it was cute and funny with your little girl emmy much love from Pennsylvania!!!!!
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I love to watch MASTERS of their crafts. Nice job everyone.
That little chainsaw looks awesome 🪚🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
Hi Jake, just subscribed. Like your work. In the UK I look after 3 acre private garden, baby Stihl and some Ego electric tools. I appreciate how dangerous they can be, but what you are doing is amazing, my heart is in my throat!
Stay safe! ✌
You commented that one guy said how great August is. But for fairly new guys like me, you say thi gs in your videos that I think in my head.
Flipside August has said that you are a natural in one of his videos. Keep up the great work.
Nice subtle leprechaun joke there! Lucky Charms the Irish delicacy 😂🤣
Your brave Jake ! Making that first big limb cut with that knock off saw! The whole time I was worried about it barber chairing or something bad. The saw just doesn’t have the power to cut hard and fast for a cut like that
I love watching your videos and sitting on my chair telling you everything you’re doing wrong since I am a 70-year-old woman who’s never claimed climbed a tree in my life I think it’s awesome
Great freakin show. Love this stuff. Good job fellas thank you far taking us along for the ride 💪🏻🦾🌙☀️🧬
Just placed an order! I'm planning on testing the holzzforma 288xp soon. Haven't used a holzzforma saw before. After this video I have a little higher expectations now. I hope I like it.
Amazing stuff. I just wonder how you avoid cutting your own safety ropes sometimes but I see you seem to have two ropes around the tree at anyone time. All I climb a tree for, is to attach a rope going down to the back of my tractor, to put some tension on, to make sure the tree falls in the correct place if I have any doubt. Great video and very informative.
Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure. These men must be in incredible shape; he's young now, I wonder how things go as you get older and older? I was fearful just watching it; what if you accidentally cut your support rope with the chainsaw? Does he have two support ropes going at all times? Unbelievable, much respect for these men . . .
I had the same question, saw in some of the videos instances where the branches looked rather close to the rope. I was assuming that isn't the only support being relied on, but couldn't see the whole rig with the head cam view.
Jake don’t let trolls get to you. Yes August is an amazing tree man but how many years does he have on you. With any career the longer you do it the better you get. I’m just starting out and you work circles around what I can do. Keep up the amazing work and great content
I'm getting my Holz g660 kit any day now, big bore kit, 36", 28" bars, full chisel and half/ripper, an extra handle that I can chop up, TIG weld to make a full wrap, set a dogs and another scrench.
Good times gentlemen.
Amazing video! You make the entire process look so easy which I know, it is not. I don't see any smoke from your saws. If you don't mind sharing, what brand 2cycle oil do you use and at what ratio? Your chains look magnificently sharp throughout the entire process. Do you do the sharpening? Tools used?
Can't wait to watch the next video!
I got 372 from Hollzforma. and I had to replace the carburetor to Walbro after a week or so, because the stock one was living it's own life. And since then it work perfect.
Carb and chain adjuster seem to be the two chief complaints on both clones Stihl and Husky. I have had a G444 for about the last year without issue, I have had my Stihl 044s for close to about 28yrs without issue so there is that.
Hey Jacob, after watching your last review of the holtzforma saw, plus a few other reviews on youtube i bit the bullet and bought the 880 clone to use for milling. Running a 30 inch rotatech bar and a stihl chain. So far its doing good! Need carb tweaking every now and then as i think the adjusting screws move. Its already paid for itself in the timber i have milled. Like you say dont know how long it will last but i have been told they are such good copies you can repair with stihl parts. Awsome video! Keep them coming.
They have been making Orange aftermarket replacement parts for Stihl and Husky for years maybe not OEM quality but their prices are quite a bit less as well. Not sure on the backstory something about selling complete saws they could not do orange to help prevent people claiming to be OEM (scamming)so the blue saws,
@irishgamerkid the saw is running great! Not had a single problem with it.
So satisfying watching those big tops dropping toward the end of this video.
You're driving the price of these up! It's up to $400!!
Love my Monkeybeavered 2511t. She pulls all 16" of Panther 1/4 pitch through cottonwood admirably. (used it for just that last weekend) It's no 50cc beater, but she solidly punches well in the 35-40cc class despite her 25cc size. Minor mods in effect.
I was thinking of trying one of these just to see what the 200t hype is about, but not for $400 plus bar and chain, going to get in on your lottery though, been meaning to send some support anyway. Great video series!
That’s a 3rd party seller ripping people off because it’s linked from here. It’s $299 on Holzfforma’s website.
I actually just got my g111 in the mail today and it needs to be broken in for sure but it’s pretty impressive for the price. I have 3 of the 2511 for my tree service and I’ve modded one of them and they’ll fly thru pretty big oak tree branches. If I remember this comment I’ll let you know in a few weeks if the saw is worth it lol I’m really hoping it’s a good saw.
Also I bought it off eBay for 290 and some change
@@cortraulston218 Yep, it's hard to tell till you get some time on it and retune for the break-in. Cold out of the box isn't a fair test of any saw. At least if you buy a name brand from a pro dealer, they run it a bit and set the screws initially, something you simply don't get with the Holzforma stuff.
I have a G660 "Big Blue" with a 36" Sugahara light bar and Oregon full house chain. It's a beast. Wouldn't want to run it all day though. Thanks for the info!
Hey Jacob, got the Fir hoody and a t-shirt. So looking forward to representing here in the PNW. Thanks and love all your work.
Damn dude, watching you get into that first tree 😅 you guys are some serious athletes!
The intro hinge-wood moan! I’m gonna get the Holzfforma 660 clone and use it for milling (run it a little fat and hope it lasts). It’s a better plan than strapping a 36inch bar to my 42cc craftsman 🤣
Just got a 660 clone myself, have quite a few large hardwoods on the property and i figured its ok to splurge sometimes. So far its been awesome, book says to run some ungodly mix but on the 40:1 mix like all the other saws i own its been good to me! Hope you enjoy it !
I had the exact same idea, run it 40:1 with a good ripping chain and I think it’ll make a nice milling saw
Would be cool to compare them both ported.
And I can't believe you go both ways in the tree Jake come on now LOL hahaha great job man
I’ve had the Holz 372 for a couple years and I have put a couple hundred tanks through it. Their pull ropes are junk, I replaced mine (and all my broken pull ropes) with bulk 550 paracord. The muffler bolts wiggle loose and need loctite. The saw came way too lean for having a completely hollow muffler so I fattened mine up a bit. The chain tensioner is chincy but has held up. The 25:1 recommended mix is WAY too rich after break-in so I’ve run 40:1 with synthetic oil ever since with no issues. Other than a few small things like your buddy said, it is an amazing chainsaw for the $300 I paid for it. Literally pops first pull just like day one! Even had an unlimited coil and a legit Bosch spark plug.
Awesome video Jake. It’s good to see you back in your own element. Keep up the great work.
Great video Jake!
I use the same size block (the green one) for most small/medium jobs, and i'm looking to upgrade my sling game... been eyeing the Ultra slings for a while, curious what size and length you're finding to be most useful/versatile? Thanks man, and stay safe!
Kerf cuts are a great idea on cottonwood! Glad to see em
Man I just realized how good that August guy is . 🤣🤣 great job ... just try not to go both ways in the tree !
I'd like to see it on some hard wood cottonwood is pretty soft I like the blue thunders though been debating this trim saw and it seems to cut just like 200t
I own this saw in Canada. It’s a $500 saw here after shipping and duty fees 🤦🏼♂️ but cuts good! Great video 🔥
How long have you been using it?
They are continually changing and upgrading their manufacturing process. These current iterations are leaps ahead of where they were when they first came out.
true, and its all because of the input of users ! so keep it coming!
Much respect for what you do, after most of the branches would swing back and hit me in the face, I’d cut my rope and take the express way down. Keep up the good work and thanks for the reviews. 👍🏾
In another one of his videos he said that doing this is one of his hobbies. It reminded me of that old saying 'pick a job you love and you never have to work a day in your life'.
In 1975 I bought a Stihl 020 as a firewood saw for us and others. It was worked hard but kept clean and serviced. From 1985 to 1995 I ran it on Amsoil @ 100:1 and it "loved" it, even though such a lean mix sort of went against the grain and against ardent doom prophets' advice. I no longer used firewood after '95 so the saw was passed on to a friend. I'd be interested in an arborist's take on that matter as chainsaws are your tools of trade whereas mine was largely seasonal and intermittent. (I learned the hard way NEVER lend your saw to another, even a friend!) Col, NZ
There was a product (here-U.S.) called "Optimol" that we ran 40 years ago. Never burned any saws up from that (used skidder-oil in the oiler with metal bits crashed the crank once) but if it oils enough, they do like the lean mix-
I used one of those for a year as a Trim saw and it performed perfect once i put a good chain on it .
I took a break, now I am back to binge watching the rest of your videos!
Fit, tough, professionals. Excellent as always guys.
I got one of these g111 / ms200t clones for a backup recently. It cuts cuts and runs just as good as my old 020t.
Been thinking as getting one as my starter saw
3 years ago I bought the g660 the 066 clone. I just had my 1st problem carb went bad. $22 for there new one.
On my 020t I broke the black handle assembly. There complete assembly with throttle was only $35 with shipping. Works great.
@@PatrickMJr Honestly, for the price, I would get a bigger saw than the G111. You'll be a lot happier with one of the bigger ones for a very similar price. Just do your research! And again, they are tinkering saws, be willing to do repairs.
Thanks for showing the Holtzforma, now we actually know. That is a very impressive cottonwood (all 3 of them)-
Michael could not have a better teacher. I have very good mechanical aptitude, and you "converse" in a clear informative style, Having that great sense of humor helps us out here, and probably helps you get through some days. I just watched your first as an insured independent. The old West had traveling gunfighters; you are a traveling "tree fighter." What brand of rope control/climber are you using? Blue anodized?
Another awesome video bro 😎 what a monster! I like how you cut your notch in half I’m gonna have to try that👌I always have trouble when the notch is that big. To bad you could not help me with the big hickory, it went well, there will be more believe that! Keep them coming bro!!!
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Bar to short ,try that
The August Hunicke comment was awsome !!!!🤣🤣. That’s kinda like that comment that Magic Johnson said to Larry Bird about M.J. “ he ain’t lying” 🤣🤣🤣
I saw some high voltage powerlines down there below where u were cutting your tree down , nice job with your climb videos
You should do the holzfforma g372xp pro next, see if the extra money is worth it? They look pretty good honestly
Well done to you all the video was very entertaining and enjoyable, you have some nerve to climb to great heights to do your job, bet it cost a lot of bucks to cut down trees like these. 🌲🌲🌲
Nothing to be ashamed by being the second to August Hunicke. He has the top intuition and maintains safety as number one, always. You can later on reach his level. and you are all good already.
Jacob, what fuel mix are you running in the g111? Are you running the recommended 25:1 or are you running the stihl 50:1? I have heard many people say so many different mixtures, just curious what you run in all your saws?
Good job Michael! Thanks Jake I really enjoyed this video!
I have had a 660 clone for 2 years. No issues. Great machine in large Midwest trees. Neighbors hate it because it's loud and obnoxious. Oh well. Worth the money my belief.
Did you build it yourself and if so how was it
With two saws slung you're like a sawslinger Treeson. Fastest saw in the pacific northwest Take that cottonwood!
Nice comment 🌲❤️ I like it
I have a the MS660 knockoff, been using it for milling, tuned extra rich to keep it cooler the thing is a hard working beast.
Dude that dual wielding chainsaws in the tree was awesome!
Aside from my earlier comment you are one talented guy. It isn’t an easy job and you do it well.
Started climbing and cutting in my early 20s with a cheap 10 inch saw. So much fun topping too much and riding the whip antenae as the top released. LOL The 3 days I needed to recover after a big job were fun too. I got my Stihl MS 180 16 inch easy start for limbing now and it was only $200...but I only do occasional jobs now for myself and friends.
“I go both ways while I’m in the tree”. 🤣🤣🤣
Really fine video! Thanks to everyone in it for the good watch! Stay Safe!
i know its not your style but i would like to watch some short videos of how you rig, or why you do what you are doing. kind of like into the mind of ol Jacob. great videos! i just wish there was more of them
Jake going all Duel-Wielding Axe Bezerker mode there with the two chain saws. Pretty cool.
Just watched the vids with Reon...this is my 20th year in business in PA. I can't imagine having that big expensive equipment in this area (Philly Suburbs) due to the fact that our tree prices are in the dumps (and always have been) due to the illegal tree companies which pop in and out of existence here. There are no regulations...guys just quit their job after 2 years, take a guy or two with them, buy a chainsaw and a truck and start hustling...nothing wrong there, but they pay their workers cash bc to start a business in this industry, payroll will be hit with 36% workers comp until you prove you aren't a risk (2 - 3 years with SWIF) but when they see that they will be paying another $360 plus around another $100 per $1000 of payroll, they just make the business decision to NOT pay on the books, thereby being able to pay more money to workers, who also get the benefit of not paying taxes, to the point where the equivalent $25/ hour guy for a compliant start up would cost that company $1450/week and the workers takes home around $770... the non-compliant guy can pay the same worker $30/hr under table, it will cost him $1200/week and the worker takes home $1200. The compliant start up would have to pay around $2500/week in their cost in order to get that guy to work for them. I am not a big government guy, in fact, quite the opposite, but the tax and comp cheating isn't the end of it all...not only is the worker at risk if they are injured or maimed, but the homeowner will be responsible as their employer should a non-workers comp covered person be injured on their property, and home owners insurance will not pay for what they will most assuredly call negligence. I don't see what could be done to save the Tree Industry here, as the local government does not seem to care at all...I didn't even mention the topping, crazy elevations and lion tailing - the specialty of these very same illegal companies.
Its bad when the only legal way to run your shop is to 1099 your guys. It’s financially ruinous to have fully legitimate employees when you run a small LLC.
@@WildAcresFarms In my business (once you have things to lose in a lawsuit) 1099ing my workers only gets me around taxes and comp UNTIL something happens...then the lawyers cut right thru the fact that they aren't contractors and my S Corp protections all are dissolved by the judge, who will always side with the injured party, oh, and after that's over, the IRS will want their blood as well.
The second Jake started doing these videos.. those saws ALL shot up $100 each… now the G111 is $389.. .. love the videos man!!!
That’s a 3rd party seller ripping Jake’s viewers off because he linked from here. It’s $299 on Holzfforma’s website.
Would like to see yall start testing out the neotec saws....everything I've read, people are saying they are the best of the clones