No shit! About as prevalent and foolish as people who rate apps & products 5 stars before they've used it!? Thousands of reviews to sift through + spam & trolls to eliminate doing research on something you wanna buy and you get these kind of assholes congesting your view even more with; "Looks good, see when I get to use it and write another review.... These guys I'm bitching about are likely the same guys who don't ever think of doing any more than an unboxing + non scientific testing
Perfect fit for my Echo CS-370, and the chain cuts very well th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBd8qUztQUCL8Rm1-aIig5ViBT2E_kO_6 . I had been using a Stihl chain that I had sharpened several times (sometimes at a shop, sometimes with my own electric chain sharpener), and there's no comparison -- the new chain cuts much better and holds its edge longer. We'll see how the new chain holds up when it needs sharpening, but for now I'm happy.
Thank you for an honest, unbiased review. I agree 100% with your assessment. Not everyone needs the most expensive saw out there. If it fills your needs and saves you some money that's awesome. I have been burned by high end products in the past. Things are not always as they seem. Case in point. I needed a larger saw for a project I was working on. I did not want to spend high end money on a saw I would only use a few times a year. So I opted for a cheaper alternative. It did what I wanted perfectly. Upon Cleaning the airfilter one Day I noticed a logo deep down inside the saw. Well low and behold it was made by the same company who's saw was almost $800 more for the same spec saw.
There is a TH-camr who says that that’s exactly what Stihl and husqvarna do now they have non disclosure agreements and have there parts made in china but stamped with their symbols according to what he said but who cares the products are what they are the saws run and work fine u just pay more for one with that name so really it comes down to them getting more money for their names not the products it’s all marketing and branding
I bought the 372 clone and I have been very impressed. Straight out the gate I bought a Husqy full wrap and 1a name brand ignition coil. Came with a Bosch spark plug which was cool. The starter rope snapped and I figured it was just cheap Chinese cord, so I replaced it with high strength paracord and that broke too - ended up being sharp burrs inside the assembly cutting on the cord every time it got started. The muffler bolts came loose and needed locktite. I threw a tach on mine and tuned it to 13,200 WOT after adding a port to the already hollow muffler. Like you said, it’s all minor stuff, and I get to let my real Husqys sit out the tough work because I care about them and I couldn’t care less about the Holz. I’m *very surprised* with the chain, and I wish I could buy it at the hardware store. I bucked twenty cords of firewood before it needed to be sharpened, and I used the cheap Chinese files for the job so again, the pricey stuff stayed safe on the shelf. I’m going to buy this blue abomination soon and a Chinese mill to slab a 56” Sugar Pine and as long as it makes one straight slab I’ll have all my money back and then some. Thank you for the review and for actually using it before posting a review. So far my 372 knockoff has easily 200 tanks and it still fires right up, God Bless!
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I just bought the same saw and got it yesterday. Right out of the box, I filled up the tank with fresh gas and started pulling on it and it was immediately flooded. I mean fuel pouring out of the exhaust. I tore into it a little bit and finally pulled the carb. The saw had so much compression that the gas tank was so full of air when I pulled the fuel line off it literally shot fuel about 3ft over my shoulder. I drained the tank to just a sip of fuel and put it all back together and let it sit for about 10 minutes and then cranked on it and it finally fired. Now it starts up 1st or second pull and no more fuel leaks. I guess with the fresh piston and rings it has some wicked compression. Also, the decomp valve is a must on this thing. Not only is it easier to start but if you dont hit that second valve and just give it a good pull the recoil from that big ass piston will nearly break your hand. All in all, at first I thought "Holy shit, what did I buy and did I just lose $300+ on a boat anchor" now, I'm thoroughly impressed with it. I think for the price, if something breaks I'll replace anything with genuine stihl parts but until then, I can't complain at all.
I've had my G660 pro for 6 months now, I've milled about 3,000bdft of slabs and cookies with it and a 36" bar and I've had no issues. I replaced the stock oiler with a high output oiler, but the stock one is probably enough during warmer weather. I think they've solved a lot of the problems over the last 3 years.
I am setting up an Alaskan mill for occasional hobby milling. My mid displacement Stihl would take a lot of abuse in that sort of role so I started looking for a higher displacement saw that didn't break the bank. The power head has not arrived yet, but I am only into it for $450 including a 36" TsuMura bar and Oregon ripping chain. Much more affordable than $1300+ for the comparable Stihl that would probably never be used to it's potential in my limited use. Thanks for confirming that these saws can get the job done.
@@thegreatone11 It's been a great value and used far more than I thought it would! There was a big ice storm that brought down trees all over the area and I had a chance to mill some 32"+ oak logs into slabs. Also used it to buck up some of the oak logs that were just getting used for firewood; all that power and the 36" bar makes short work of them. And I did fir slabs that got turned into the most awesome solid one piece cornhole boards ever, and a bunch of full dimension 2x4s and 2x6s that got used to repair some old buildings that were damaged in the storm. When I first got it I adjusted the carb too rich, but once adjusted correctly it runs great with impressive power (I bought a cheap small engine tach so I can easily verify it's tuned right before I go out somewhere to do a lot of cutting). The only thing that has broken on it so far was the chain tensioner screw, but that was a simple and inexpensive thing to replace with a genuine Stihl part and I have not had any issues since. The one thing I would do different for milling is to use the bigger gauged bar/chain. .050 makes for a lighter bar and thinner kerf, but more flex than is ideal when doing big slabs so you end up with cupping in your cut. If I had it to do over again, I would go with the .063 bar/chain combo.
I look at it this way. Go over to Home Depot with around $300 and see what kind of a chainsaw you walk out with. Next go to the Stihl dealer and see what $300 gets you for a chainsaw. I looked at both places, went home and ordered a G444 for around $300 with bar and chain last year shipped to my door. It still puts a big old smile on my face every time I start it too.
@@joegelencser2571 American manufacturers sent their products to be made in China and shipped back, now china stole their designs and sell the exact same stuff as the European or American companies. Why pay USA prices fr a Chinese-made saw, when you can but almost the exact saw from the same factory for Chinese prices? Fuck these companies that ship their manufacturing jobs over to China, fuck them all.
By looks I doubt you have even broken the motor in. By sound it needs to be tuned. I own OEM Stihl, Husqvarna, Echo saws, and I also own Farmertec. I've built a few 660s, also own the g372, g111, have 2 more farmertec saws on the way. I use them everyday to make a living, and I'll keep buying them
Thank you for the video. I bought a Stihl, 12 years ago and don't use it but once or twice a year. I've only had to change the plug once and sharpen the chain once. I do frequently have to clean out the oiler but otherwise this has been worry free for 12 years. Looking back, I just wish I had bought a bigger one when I had the money. This year I've had to use it a lot! Several large trees have died and/or fallen. I'm getting ready to go back to work with it now, before it gets too hot. Also your axe handle and sheath videos were just great!
Good review, my understanding is the compression release even on my bigger Stihl saws, is just to lighten the impact shock on the recoil dogs, not for ease of starting....ps I have 4 Stihl, the older ones I love, the newer one not so much ! ( late 70’s O41AV super, late 80’s O28, late 90’s O36 pro, 2011 model MS250 ( junk )..... as you can see I bought a new Stihl about every ten years. This along with three Poulan pros and a couple Homelites. I only use the big Stihls for dropping trees, and the cheap Poulans and small Stihl for firewood.
Nice review! Had similar experiences with mine. Ended up replacing the recoil,oil pump, decomp, bar studs, intake boot ,carb, tank vent and now its been pretty reliable since. Solid saw for the money. If I blow it up or crush it I won't shed a tear.
Great job on the review I just ordered the g660 a month ago still waiting for it. I also agree on the price witch I can’t afford a1200 to 1800 dollar chainsaw
Wow is what I will say. I'm a tree climber have been for 18years. I was in the air about this for the newer ground guys and after seeing you cut that sycamore I was sold. I'm gona do the parts swaps as I have it on hand and let them go. Thanks for the review that was awesome
My father and I both have MS250s and they both tend to break recoil pawls on them with no where near the starting force of 90cc saw. We replace them with Stihl parts but keep a spare set around. Surprised you bent the handle pulling from a pinch, but good review. Considering a G444 for myself.
My most favorite Chain Saw I owned while Falling was the old Pioneer P60. Loved that Saw was Balanced, had power, and lasted years and years even after they were no longer Pioneer.
I have a P28 that agrees with that statement. I just restored it after 24 years of sitting in a box. Cleaned it up, all original parts, didn't even need any replacements parts. Started on the 8th pull..... AND it cuts like crazy...
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I also have one of these type of saw, but I upgraded it by installing a 56mm cylinder and piston. And while watching your video of it cutting it was evident that you need to get it in the wood and at full speed turn up the high screen to increase the rev's more. It's should have a top rev of 13000 rpm's.
I've had mine 2 years now and I've had no problems with anything you mentioned. I do not or have never used the compression release . The holzfforma chains are harder then regular stihl chain.
Very good review, its a lot better then those unboxing videos, those dont tell me a blanking thing that I need to know, so like you said if one can afford a $15,00.00 Husky or Stihl then thats the saw to get, thanks for sharing the review!!!!!!!
I'm looking at this saw for milling. We have hardwoods and softwoods we'll likely mill for lumber and different projects. I don't have 1600 for a stihl; so I'm hoping this will do. Thanks for your video, it's helped push me towards this saw, even if I have to upgrade a few parts.
I've been a Stihl fanatic most of my logging career. But now that I do mechanical logging I only need chainsaws for cutting my firewood. ( 30 face cords per year) So 2 years ago I bought a G660 new and then bought a used G660 from a friend that needed money. I have had very little trouble with either one. I have had one electronic ignition go out and that is all. Every time I grab one to go cutting they have always worked great. I also have a G388 and that saw has been perfect so far. I think they are definitely worth buying if you are not professionally logging every day. I would also consider logging with them if I was still doing it by hand.
@@aldredske6197 I bought it straight from the Chinese and it says 1:25 on their website. They add a paper manual, but it's just a copy of the Stihl manual without any corrections. And chain oil is 10W / 30 recommended. I have been using the saw for a short time.
Good review, I'm waiting on a g372 (husky 365 clone) from farmertec now since I'm a husky guy. It sounds like your saw is four-stroking even under load, so it's running pretty rich. A saw is tuned about perfect when it four strokes just a bit with no load, then cleans up once it's under load. Lean out on the high circuit just a smidge!
Thanks. I agree I always liked husky myself. I am definitely interested in that 372 clone. When you get it let us know what you think we are thinking about getting one. And thanks for all of your positive feedback
I bought the 372 Holzfforma a couple years back because I happened to have a Husky bar & chain left over from a saw I had sold. Bought the powerhead pre-assembled and started cutting with it. Two thumbs up, so far. I’m a Stihl guy but not rabid about the whole brand thing. I started out with an 18” genuine Husqvarna bar but then bought a 20” Chinese bar that I think was targeted at the Australian market because it has kangaroos on it. Can’t remember the brand name. Went with the 20” because that’s what I have run for years and I have about 25 chains in that length already. You should get one. I like mine.
Other than coming off a little hard on you with the first comment, I will say you demonstrated some straight up live action American Ingenuity in piecing this video together! Keep hammering them out! Yes, I like the video!
Hopefully you don't start your power saws cold and start cutting without warming them a little, like you did there. That will definitely reduce the life of the saw. Thanks for the video and keep up the great work.
you get what you pay for.. Quality comes at a price ! seems like it cuts very well. Its the cheap parts you mentioned that makes the difference in cheap and quality
Bought a Holzfforma G372xp and G660 with bars and chains on their Black Friday sale for just over $500. If you bought from a good dealer, that saw would've been tuned properly for you. Would like to see an update on your saw after tuning the saw.
I am what I would call a Stihl fanboy but I think one of these are in my future. There is no way I can justify the cost of a genuine one but I would be able to get the copy and replace broken parts with genuine ones when they fail.
4th video, 4th comment! You don't have any chainsaw protective clothing? I see so many people on TH-cam who don't use any. I know it's not cheap, but you don't get many second chances with an angry chainsaw, especially a big thing like that! I've used chainsaws for 19 years and always been careful, always safe but I won't fire up my wood dragons without my safety gear on. Stay safe man!
I always wear a helmet, face mask, and gloves at least. Chaps and good boots don't hurt either. IMO, a chainsaw is much more dangerous than a gun for the user.
I’m not sure what the complaint about having a compression release was. My ms880 has one and without it you’d break something in the saw or your arm trying to start it.
Your saw is running rich, which is better than lean, but it has a lot more in it with a tune. Yes they have a few weak links. Fix them with OEM parts and you’ll have a good saw for the $$.
I hope you can get some OEM parts for your saw soon. I think that will help you become happier with it. Of course buying a Stihl chainsaw would be preferable to most all of us. But a I'm thinking if we can only afford the "Chinese knockoff" we still have a chance to turn it into a pretty good saw over time with a few OEM parts. Of course that depends on how well it runs in the beginning and how many OEM parts we need to put into it as to how good a deal it turns out to be. But buying parts here and there as we can is easier to afford at a time than buying a brand new Stihl. So having that in mind, I just bought the G111 a copy of the Stihl Ms200t which I once owned and loved. Fingers crossed that I don't have to replace too many parts. Lol
Absolutely you can put any size bar on it that you want. I am running a 36 inch bar because it is ideal for cutting out bowl blanks and that is mainly what I use it for
Friend bought a g444 with the big bore kit , that saw has ran amazing without a hiccup, now picked up the 660 , complete garbage , saw leans out bad very erratic , gotta spend a bunch of money on real stihl parts now , I was spoiled on the 444
The decompression valve is not there to see if you are a man or not. It is there because if you don't use it, the pawls on the pull starter will break, even IF you have OEM Sthil parts on it. How long does it take to reach down and set it??
This guy is correct--you are not getting the power from your saw. I also recommend investing in a good Stihl chain. You will be very surprised at the difference.
Good review. I don't find a chain being "too hard" a fault as harder teeth will stay sharp longer. Just use a grinder instead of a file. There are good pocket cordless ones available as well as bench grinders. Take a spare sharp chain with you and grind them at night. Using a file never was one of my favorite jobs anyway.
Yep. Get an ammo can and carry half a baker's dozen of sharp chains. I'm an arborist and sometimes, customers hang out and watch you work the whole time. I don't think customers would be impressed with me poppin a squat and taking 20 mins to sharpen my chains @$250/hr. Hahaha 👏🤣
Hi, we adjusuted the carb, its 1.5 year now, compare to the real stihl's rpm and the saw still in a good shape, engin is healthy and the piston too, and it becomes a stronger saw, like the real one.
Thanks for the honest and well done review of this saw as i am in a very similar position on weather or not to spend the money on a real one. Cheers! Mark
My Holz has been nothing but problems. The latest, it looks like the chain tensioner cutouts on the saw body look to be to far apart so I can’t tighten the bar. Carb was junk, oiler wasn’t machined properly so it leaked all over, handle was shot first run. I had to keep a decomp on it because it’s so hard to pull it would rip the handle out of my hand.
couple things: 1 Great review, 2 why are we talking about chains?, 3 Is it stealing from Stihl and are we ok with it? I've had 2 one ran for 4 minutes the other one is on 4 years.
for the folks saying it wasn't warmed up appropriately before starting the first cut, it's a two stoke on a warm day. He wasn't abusive to it in any way. Cutting easy like that will warm it up in short order. The comments on here are correct, the carb needs to be adjusted correctly. This saw has a ton left on the table. If this Gent likes it now he'll really dig it when it's running where it should be.
How does the chain adjuster work? On a lot of the saws I get, it's not too good. And I have to fiddle with it a lot while working. Also question about how well the chain oiler works, and do the gas and oil always bubble over when filling them? Seems like a rookie problem but I have cut for about 50 years off and on, (using cheap saws) these are always a problem for me.
To hard of chain teeth sounds weird but I have heard of steel pipe that when you cut threads and it was so hard it chipped the dies. Then a foot later it was so soft it pulled the threads right after the threading teeth
Okay on your 8N tractor you're only supposed to have 6 volts going through the points what's happening is you're running 12 volt through the points and by changing by putting a ballast resistor in The Wire between the alternator or your your charging system and the points you'll get it back to 12 to 6 volts and everything will be fine you won't have any more problems any kind of a ballast resistor 64 Chevy is what I usually use systems are only supposed to use 6 full to Power And when everybody went to 12 volt they had to put those in to make them work make the points work
I’ve been flirting with the idea of toying around with these. But I’m about to pick up a new Husqvarna 395xp for a thousand bucks and that’s too hard to pass up. The best part of your review though is definitely your beard. I didn’t even pay attention to the video.
Good deal I cut a ton of fir milling slabs now with a ms180c small logs my ms 311 died.i wanted the ms660 but don't have the cash.so I'm willing to try one out thanks man I'm willing to take same gamble.
I have a G388 MS380 clone and I have had it two year's it does have a ported jug gutted and ported muffler. I went with 24" forester platinum bar and chain and the saw is a power house ive cut 31 cords and so far not issues except blowing the rubber plug out the back the oiler other then that perfect no issues
How does it compare to a 461 in terms of power? From watching it seems to be way down on power from a 660. Looking for a cheap saw for occasional home use. It just seems every time I buy a cheap tool because I’m not going to use it much I regret buying it every time I use it! On the other hand I just can’t justify spending $1200 on a quality saw I might only use a couple times a year.
Interesting the performance looks OK (have have had 3 066 stilhs ) how many chains and bars have you used up As for hard chain Stihl chain is hard like that it eats files but holds up better are you using full or semi chisel chain and hoe low do you run your depth gauges (drags) sounds a bit rich have you had a tacho near it or some one good tune it
It's good that you cleaned it. It allows us to see how it's held up to abuse. Thanks for the review. I'm buying one. I set chokers for a living out of douglas county in Oregon. We run nothing but Stihl buy I ain't paying that much for a fire wood cutter.
I have a Husqvarna 272 XP that I’ve had since 1997. I made most of my living with it it eventually lost compression but recently I have just completely overhauled it now it is good as new. Husqvarna is definitely my favorite
great video, i have the same saw,, well a smaller G388, and it runs great , i've had it two years and i literally haven't had one single issue with it, it's usually strapped onto my 4wheeler and i take it everywhre, it's always started very easily as did yours,, i liked your video as it affirmed my decision in buying my saw as a good purchase, i did pick up some pointers from your video just now, keep up all the great work and i look forward to seeing many more videos!!!... thank you...
after a year that thing should be screaming. retune the carb for more rpm and put on a 25" roller nose bar. then you'll be surprised even more. that thing is only running half of what It can do.
Yeah maybe not! If uses it like that every time didn't even give it a chance chance to warm up just started ripping 15 seconds after firing. That might be all he's ever going to get out of that saw but it don't even look like it's run enough to be broke in yet
Yeah maybe not! If uses it like that every time didn't even give it a chance chance to warm up just started ripping 15 seconds after firing. That might be all he's ever going to get out of that saw but it don't even look like it's run enough to be broke in yet
@@chuckbailey6835 it's a two stoke on a warm day. He wasn't abusive in any way to it. Cutting easy Luke that will warm it up in short order. The comments on here are correct, the carb needs to be adjusted correctly. This saw has a ton left on the table. If this Gent likes it now he'll really dig it when it's running where it should be.
Harbor Freight sells better quality now than before. It's just they became more expensive that is better to go to Home depot / Lowes for the original tools....... These saws are lower quality than HF. I have one of these, problem with the on and off switch, when I pulled the trigger, the button will move to the off position and shut off the saw, I ended up pulling out the two cables that make contact to shut off the saw. I am thinking of putting a on/off toggle some where , for the moment I am just touching one cable with the other to turn it off ....... I had problems with the chain tensioner, the two gear fit loose and busted. I had to custom make a tensioner with a bolt ... I also had problem with the oil pump, I am replacing it....... For 325 what can we ask for. The engine is good, the saw is strong, it's heavier than original, this one is made of cast iron... with patience I will have a good saw for cheaper
Thank you. If only more people did reviews after owning a product for a year, rather than just out of the box.
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Wtf is wrong with the both of you ?
No shit! About as prevalent and foolish as people who rate apps & products 5 stars before they've used it!?
Thousands of reviews to sift through + spam & trolls to eliminate doing research on something you wanna buy and you get these kind of assholes congesting your view even more with; "Looks good, see when I get to use it and write another review....
These guys I'm bitching about are likely the same guys who don't ever think of doing any more than an unboxing + non scientific testing
Unboxing videos are useless!
YES!!! What good is a box opening review? "I just got this and it looks really cool!" useless information. Check my 12 year comment on my Stihl.
Perfect fit for my Echo CS-370, and the chain cuts very well th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBd8qUztQUCL8Rm1-aIig5ViBT2E_kO_6 . I had been using a Stihl chain that I had sharpened several times (sometimes at a shop, sometimes with my own electric chain sharpener), and there's no comparison -- the new chain cuts much better and holds its edge longer. We'll see how the new chain holds up when it needs sharpening, but for now I'm happy.
Thank you for an honest, unbiased review. I agree 100% with your assessment. Not everyone needs the most expensive saw out there. If it fills your needs and saves you some money that's awesome. I have been burned by high end products in the past. Things are not always as they seem. Case in point. I needed a larger saw for a project I was working on. I did not want to spend high end money on a saw I would only use a few times a year. So I opted for a cheaper alternative. It did what I wanted perfectly. Upon Cleaning the airfilter one Day I noticed a logo deep down inside the saw. Well low and behold it was made by the same company who's saw was almost $800 more for the same spec saw.
Doubtful. These saws are Chinese knockoffs only.
Who do you think makes Husqvarna Stihl and all the other saws I bet they are made overseas. I’ve looked it up try asking Google and get back to me.
@@Mike-ln2bo I've dealt with many of these saws. They literally use the exact parts stihl does.
When quality control kicks a batch of parts they go to the knock off shack.
There is a TH-camr who says that that’s exactly what Stihl and husqvarna do now they have non disclosure agreements and have there parts made in china but stamped with their symbols according to what he said but who cares the products are what they are the saws run and work fine u just pay more for one with that name so really it comes down to them getting more money for their names not the products it’s all marketing and branding
I’m impressed with how sharp that chain is !
I bought the 372 clone and I have been very impressed. Straight out the gate I bought a Husqy full wrap and 1a name brand ignition coil. Came with a Bosch spark plug which was cool. The starter rope snapped and I figured it was just cheap Chinese cord, so I replaced it with high strength paracord and that broke too - ended up being sharp burrs inside the assembly cutting on the cord every time it got started. The muffler bolts came loose and needed locktite. I threw a tach on mine and tuned it to 13,200 WOT after adding a port to the already hollow muffler. Like you said, it’s all minor stuff, and I get to let my real Husqys sit out the tough work because I care about them and I couldn’t care less about the Holz. I’m *very surprised* with the chain, and I wish I could buy it at the hardware store. I bucked twenty cords of firewood before it needed to be sharpened, and I used the cheap Chinese files for the job so again, the pricey stuff stayed safe on the shelf. I’m going to buy this blue abomination soon and a Chinese mill to slab a 56” Sugar Pine and as long as it makes one straight slab I’ll have all my money back and then some. Thank you for the review and for actually using it before posting a review. So far my 372 knockoff has easily 200 tanks and it still fires right up,
God Bless!
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Which 372 did you get ?
Morons ,buying child slave labor communist junk
I just bought the same saw and got it yesterday. Right out of the box, I filled up the tank with fresh gas and started pulling on it and it was immediately flooded. I mean fuel pouring out of the exhaust. I tore into it a little bit and finally pulled the carb. The saw had so much compression that the gas tank was so full of air when I pulled the fuel line off it literally shot fuel about 3ft over my shoulder. I drained the tank to just a sip of fuel and put it all back together and let it sit for about 10 minutes and then cranked on it and it finally fired. Now it starts up 1st or second pull and no more fuel leaks. I guess with the fresh piston and rings it has some wicked compression. Also, the decomp valve is a must on this thing. Not only is it easier to start but if you dont hit that second valve and just give it a good pull the recoil from that big ass piston will nearly break your hand. All in all, at first I thought "Holy shit, what did I buy and did I just lose $300+ on a boat anchor" now, I'm thoroughly impressed with it. I think for the price, if something breaks I'll replace anything with genuine stihl parts but until then, I can't complain at all.
I have a g 388 and it was running about the same as that one a little rich. Adjusting the high side made the difference. Now it runs great.
I've had my G660 pro for 6 months now, I've milled about 3,000bdft of slabs and cookies with it and a 36" bar and I've had no issues. I replaced the stock oiler with a high output oiler, but the stock one is probably enough during warmer weather. I think they've solved a lot of the problems over the last 3 years.
I’ve noticed that too…. Quality seems a lot better
I am setting up an Alaskan mill for occasional hobby milling. My mid displacement Stihl would take a lot of abuse in that sort of role so I started looking for a higher displacement saw that didn't break the bank. The power head has not arrived yet, but I am only into it for $450 including a 36" TsuMura bar and Oregon ripping chain. Much more affordable than $1300+ for the comparable Stihl that would probably never be used to it's potential in my limited use. Thanks for confirming that these saws can get the job done.
@@thegreatone11 It's been a great value and used far more than I thought it would! There was a big ice storm that brought down trees all over the area and I had a chance to mill some 32"+ oak logs into slabs. Also used it to buck up some of the oak logs that were just getting used for firewood; all that power and the 36" bar makes short work of them. And I did fir slabs that got turned into the most awesome solid one piece cornhole boards ever, and a bunch of full dimension 2x4s and 2x6s that got used to repair some old buildings that were damaged in the storm. When I first got it I adjusted the carb too rich, but once adjusted correctly it runs great with impressive power (I bought a cheap small engine tach so I can easily verify it's tuned right before I go out somewhere to do a lot of cutting). The only thing that has broken on it so far was the chain tensioner screw, but that was a simple and inexpensive thing to replace with a genuine Stihl part and I have not had any issues since. The one thing I would do different for milling is to use the bigger gauged bar/chain. .050 makes for a lighter bar and thinner kerf, but more flex than is ideal when doing big slabs so you end up with cupping in your cut. If I had it to do over again, I would go with the .063 bar/chain combo.
I look at it this way. Go over to Home Depot with around $300 and see what kind of a chainsaw you walk out with. Next go to the Stihl dealer and see what $300 gets you for a chainsaw. I looked at both places, went home and ordered a G444 for around $300 with bar and chain last year shipped to my door. It still puts a big old smile on my face every time I start it too.
You go and get one of these saws and you get America put out of business pretty soon there won't be any jobs we keep buying this junk from China
@@joegelencser2571 look up what saws are made in Qingdao, China
@@jeffenglishsetter8339 lol btfo so hard
@@joegelencser2571 American manufacturers sent their products to be made in China and shipped back, now china stole their designs and sell the exact same stuff as the European or American companies. Why pay USA prices fr a Chinese-made saw, when you can but almost the exact saw from the same factory for Chinese prices? Fuck these companies that ship their manufacturing jobs over to China, fuck them all.
What saws are made in china?@@jeffenglishsetter8339
By looks I doubt you have even broken the motor in.
By sound it needs to be tuned.
I own OEM Stihl, Husqvarna, Echo saws, and I also own Farmertec. I've built a few 660s, also own the g372, g111, have 2 more farmertec saws on the way. I use them everyday to make a living, and I'll keep buying them
Thank you for the video. I bought a Stihl, 12 years ago and don't use it but once or twice a year. I've only had to change the plug once and sharpen the chain once. I do frequently have to clean out the oiler but otherwise this has been worry free for 12 years. Looking back, I just wish I had bought a bigger one when I had the money. This year I've had to use it a lot! Several large trees have died and/or fallen. I'm getting ready to go back to work with it now, before it gets too hot. Also your axe handle and sheath videos were just great!
Thank you for a real review of this saw , I've been thinking of buying one of saws for timber framing and the farm .
Good review, my understanding is the compression release even on my bigger Stihl saws, is just to lighten the impact shock on the recoil dogs, not for ease of starting....ps I have 4 Stihl, the older ones I love, the newer one not so much ! ( late 70’s O41AV super, late 80’s O28, late 90’s O36 pro, 2011 model MS250 ( junk )..... as you can see I bought a new Stihl about every ten years. This along with three Poulan pros and a couple Homelites. I only use the big Stihls for dropping trees, and the cheap Poulans and small Stihl for firewood.
Well, ya gotta play the cards you were dealt. I think you were entirely fair in your evaluation. Well done! 🤠
Great review! It's also nice to see someone actually using the dogs correctly.
UGH! My buddy never lets them touch the wood. He moves the saw back and forth a little bit, like a sawing motion!!!! Sometimes I just walk away.
Nice review! Had similar experiences with mine. Ended up replacing the recoil,oil pump, decomp, bar studs, intake boot ,carb, tank vent and now its been pretty reliable since. Solid saw for the money. If I blow it up or crush it I won't shed a tear.
Great job on the review I just ordered the g660 a month ago still waiting for it. I also agree on the price witch I can’t afford a1200 to 1800 dollar chainsaw
Wow is what I will say. I'm a tree climber have been for 18years. I was in the air about this for the newer ground guys and after seeing you cut that sycamore I was sold. I'm gona do the parts swaps as I have it on hand and let them go. Thanks for the review that was awesome
Seemed to have enough power to get the job done and at 1/3 the price of the alternative - good value for what it is. Thanks for the video.
My father and I both have MS250s and they both tend to break recoil pawls on them with no where near the starting force of 90cc saw. We replace them with Stihl parts but keep a spare set around. Surprised you bent the handle pulling from a pinch, but good review. Considering a G444 for myself.
My most favorite Chain Saw I owned while Falling was the old Pioneer P60. Loved that Saw was Balanced, had power, and lasted years and years even after they were no longer Pioneer.
I have a P28 that agrees with that statement. I just restored it after 24 years of sitting in a box. Cleaned it up, all original parts, didn't even need any replacements parts. Started on the 8th pull..... AND it cuts like crazy...
I just picked up a p60 a month ago and it's immaculate
@@caseyanderson1297 Nice many good memories around that Saw hopefully it works out well for you!!
The company story features olive Evinrude losing the brand name and company only to regain it after forging elto outboard motor company. The company died where it started: in Canada, reformed by employees.
I also have one of these type of saw, but I upgraded it by installing a 56mm cylinder and piston. And while watching your video of it cutting it was evident that you need to get it in the wood and at full speed turn up the high screen to increase the rev's more. It's should have a top rev of 13000 rpm's.
Then he can make a video of it blowing up.
Man if you adjust the carb a little bit more, this thing will scream! You can also do a muffler mod on it...
The muffler mod will cool the saw down a little too the old stihls run a bit hot in warm weather with a stock muffler
I've had mine 2 years now and I've had no problems with anything you mentioned. I do not or have never used the compression release . The holzfforma chains are harder then regular stihl chain.
Good video this man is a pro in being a instructor an honest man
If your still having problems with the choke, the stihl part plus the contact spring is only about $20 from the dealer.
Very good review, its a lot better then those unboxing videos, those dont tell me a blanking thing that I need to know, so like you said if one can afford a $15,00.00 Husky or Stihl then thats the saw to get, thanks for sharing the review!!!!!!!
I'm looking at this saw for milling. We have hardwoods and softwoods we'll likely mill for lumber and different projects. I don't have 1600 for a stihl; so I'm hoping this will do. Thanks for your video, it's helped push me towards this saw, even if I have to upgrade a few parts.
I've been a Stihl fanatic most of my logging career. But now that I do mechanical logging I only need chainsaws for cutting my firewood.
( 30 face cords per year)
So 2 years ago I bought a G660 new and then bought a used G660 from a friend that needed money.
I have had very little trouble with either one. I have had one electronic ignition go out and that is all. Every time I grab one to go cutting they have always worked great. I also have a G388 and that saw has been perfect so far.
I think they are definitely worth buying if you are not professionally logging every day. I would also consider logging with them if I was still doing it by hand.
What kind of mixture are you using what oil?
@@rabinpoluje3321 I'm running Stihl oil in the orange bottle and running 50 to 1
@@aldredske6197 I bought it straight from the Chinese and it says 1:25 on their website. They add a paper manual, but it's just a copy of the Stihl manual without any corrections. And chain oil is 10W / 30 recommended. I have been using the saw for a short time.
@@rabinpoluje3321 they run perfectly fine with 50 to 1. Unless you are running a dull chain in 90 degree weather. Keep it sharp and don't overheat it.
Good review, I'm waiting on a g372 (husky 365 clone) from farmertec now since I'm a husky guy. It sounds like your saw is four-stroking even under load, so it's running pretty rich. A saw is tuned about perfect when it four strokes just a bit with no load, then cleans up once it's under load. Lean out on the high circuit just a smidge!
Thanks. I agree I always liked husky myself. I am definitely interested in that 372 clone. When you get it let us know what you think we are thinking about getting one. And thanks for all of your positive feedback
@@CarvingAPath will do!
I bought the 372 Holzfforma a couple years back because I happened to have a Husky bar & chain left over from a saw I had sold. Bought the powerhead pre-assembled and started cutting with it. Two thumbs up, so far. I’m a Stihl guy but not rabid about the whole brand thing. I started out with an 18” genuine Husqvarna bar but then bought a 20” Chinese bar that I think was targeted at the Australian market because it has kangaroos on it. Can’t remember the brand name. Went with the 20” because that’s what I have run for years and I have about 25 chains in that length already. You should get one. I like mine.
Other than coming off a little hard on you with the first comment, I will say you demonstrated some straight up live action American Ingenuity in piecing this video together! Keep hammering them out! Yes, I like the video!
Andreas Stihl is rolling in his grave yelling at those chi comms
Google Stihl Qingdao, China
I was thinking about getting one of those. Thanks for the review 👍
Excellent review. Thanks and Happy New Year!
Hopefully you don't start your power saws cold and start cutting without warming them a little, like you did there. That will definitely reduce the life of the saw. Thanks for the video and keep up the great work.
you get what you pay for.. Quality comes at a price !
seems like it cuts very well.
Its the cheap parts you mentioned that makes the difference in cheap and quality
Great video man. Much appreciated
Bought a Holzfforma G372xp and G660 with bars and chains on their Black Friday sale for just over $500. If you bought from a good dealer, that saw would've been tuned properly for you. Would like to see an update on your saw after tuning the saw.
I am what I would call a Stihl fanboy but I think one of these are in my future. There is no way I can justify the cost of a genuine one but I would be able to get the copy and replace broken parts with genuine ones when they fail.
4th video, 4th comment!
You don't have any chainsaw protective clothing? I see so many people on TH-cam who don't use any. I know it's not cheap, but you don't get many second chances with an angry chainsaw, especially a big thing like that!
I've used chainsaws for 19 years and always been careful, always safe but I won't fire up my wood dragons without my safety gear on. Stay safe man!
I always wear a helmet, face mask, and gloves at least. Chaps and good boots don't hurt either. IMO, a chainsaw is much more dangerous than a gun for the user.
if the chain is to hard, it may be worth tempering it back a little, 200 centigrade in an oven for half an hour should knock off a couple of rockwell.
I’m not sure what the complaint about having a compression release was. My ms880 has one and without it you’d break something in the saw or your arm trying to start it.
Your saw is running rich, which is better than lean, but it has a lot more in it with a tune. Yes they have a few weak links. Fix them with OEM parts and you’ll have a good saw for the $$.
I hope you can get some OEM parts for your saw soon. I think that will help you become happier with it.
Of course buying a Stihl chainsaw would be preferable to most all of us. But a I'm thinking if we can only afford the "Chinese knockoff" we still have a chance to turn it into a pretty good saw over time with a few OEM parts. Of course that depends on how well it runs in the beginning and how many OEM parts we need to put into it as to how good a deal it turns out to be. But buying parts here and there as we can is easier to afford at a time than buying a brand new Stihl.
So having that in mind, I just bought the G111 a copy of the Stihl Ms200t which I once owned and loved. Fingers crossed that I don't have to replace too many parts. Lol
I square grind my chains so honestly a hardened chain is a plus for me. Great vid
How is the G660 running two years later? Thanks for the video
Can you put a smaller bar on this saw. Something around 18-20 inches
Absolutely you can put any size bar on it that you want. I am running a 36 inch bar because it is ideal for cutting out bowl blanks and that is mainly what I use it for
Friend bought a g444 with the big bore kit , that saw has ran amazing without a hiccup, now picked up the 660 , complete garbage , saw leans out bad very erratic , gotta spend a bunch of money on real stihl parts now , I was spoiled on the 444
The decompression valve is not there to see if you are a man or not. It is there because if you don't use it, the pawls on the pull starter will break, even IF you have OEM Sthil parts on it. How long does it take to reach down and set it??
I use the ones on my MS361 and my Husky 359 all the time. Not a big deal.....
That saw needs tuned. Your barry in the rpms. Its cutting like a 55cc and not a 90cc
This guy is correct--you are not getting the power from your saw. I also recommend investing in a good Stihl chain. You will be very surprised at the difference.
Yes that saw needs tuned you should going through that without working so hard.
Why is no one talking about how amazingly thick those shavings coming out the cuts are....how!?
10 Degrees, Ripping Chain. How I achieve it.
Rip cuts shave the wood, perpendicular cuts chip the wood. A large chip and long shaving indicate a sharp chain. That was a sharp chain!
He was cutting with the grain instead of against it. That's how you get those noodles
Good review. I don't find a chain being "too hard" a fault as harder teeth will stay sharp longer. Just use a grinder instead of a file. There are good pocket cordless ones available as well as bench grinders. Take a spare sharp chain with you and grind them at night. Using a file never was one of my favorite jobs anyway.
Yep. Get an ammo can and carry half a baker's dozen of sharp chains.
I'm an arborist and sometimes, customers hang out and watch you work the whole time. I don't think customers would be impressed with me poppin a squat and taking 20 mins to sharpen my chains @$250/hr. Hahaha 👏🤣
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I've switched to a Timberline Sharpener that uses carbide cutters. Shouldn't have any problems with that chain 😉
Hi, we adjusuted the carb, its 1.5 year now, compare to the real stihl's rpm and the saw still in a good shape, engin is healthy and the piston too, and it becomes a stronger saw, like the real one.
Thanks for the honest and well done review of this saw as i am in a very similar position on weather or not to spend the money on a real one. Cheers! Mark
the ironhorse chainsaw said very similar things, he ports , rebuilds , upgrades chainsaws., it actually sounds like it may need a slight carby tune up
Thank you for your honest review
Thank you! I really appreciate this info.
IT'S CALLED NOT LIVING BEYOND YOUR NEEDS WITCH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD TODAY DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT APPARENTLY YOU AND YOUR LOVELY WIFE DO
I want to just buy one of those saws but the wife likes to remind me that I have a mortgage payment to make lol
I AM GLAD THE SAW WORKS GOOD FOR YOU, A LOT OF POWER IN THAT SAW
finally a guy who knows how to cut wood
My Holz has been nothing but problems. The latest, it looks like the chain tensioner cutouts on the saw body look to be to far apart so I can’t tighten the bar.
Carb was junk, oiler wasn’t machined properly so it leaked all over, handle was shot first run.
I had to keep a decomp on it because it’s so hard to pull it would rip the handle out of my hand.
Dude, it looked like your beard was going to get caught up in the chain in one of the shots lol. That would suck if that happened.
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw him, LOL.
Thanks for the review
I got mine for 300$ to my door I do firewood so alot of cutting Stihl will cost 1100 to 1900 if it last me 2 yrs am good with that
couple things: 1 Great review, 2 why are we talking about chains?, 3 Is it stealing from Stihl and are we ok with it? I've had 2 one ran for 4 minutes the other one is on 4 years.
You buy that saw and buy the stihl replacement. That’s what I’ve done. Love my saw. Great power.
So like buy the saw and when you need to fix it buy the stihl parts? Makes sense to me.
@@BaronBoar dont know if you’re being sarcastic? But the power head is what you save the money on. Buying plastic parts is cheap
@@gregrupar135 I am agreeing with you.
Thank You for this Great information. Looking to get Not a STIHL For a bigger saw for felling big trees.
for the folks saying it wasn't warmed up appropriately before starting the first cut, it's a two stoke on a warm day. He wasn't abusive to it in any way. Cutting easy like that will warm it up in short order.
The comments on here are correct, the carb needs to be adjusted correctly. This saw has a ton left on the table. If this Gent likes it now he'll really dig it when it's running where it should be.
How does the chain adjuster work? On a lot of the saws I get, it's not too good. And I have to fiddle with it a lot while working. Also question about how well the chain oiler works, and do the gas and oil always bubble over when filling them? Seems like a rookie problem but I have cut for about 50 years off and on, (using cheap saws) these are always a problem for me.
To hard of chain teeth sounds weird but I have heard of steel pipe that when you cut threads and it was so hard it chipped the dies. Then a foot later it was so soft it pulled the threads right after the threading teeth
Can you use a chain made by another manufacturer to avoid the hardened teeth wearing out the sharpening file issue?
Absolutely you can use any chain that you prefer
Okay on your 8N tractor you're only supposed to have 6 volts going through the points what's happening is you're running 12 volt through the points and by changing by putting a ballast resistor in The Wire between the alternator or your your charging system and the points you'll get it back to 12 to 6 volts and everything will be fine you won't have any more problems any kind of a ballast resistor 64 Chevy is what I usually use systems are only supposed to use 6 full to Power And when everybody went to 12 volt they had to put those in to make them work make the points work
Appreciate the insight. Enjoyed the video.
One problem is too many .
What junk .
Good video thanks
I’ve been flirting with the idea of toying around with these. But I’m about to pick up a new Husqvarna 395xp for a thousand bucks and that’s too hard to pass up. The best part of your review though is definitely your beard. I didn’t even pay attention to the video.
It’s brand spanking new. Put a dual port muffler on it and a 36 inch bar and she rips!!!
Does the stihl parts match up to this saw. If I buy it can stihl parts fit on it.
Yes absolutely everything on these saws are interchangeable with proper Stiihl parts
Good deal I cut a ton of fir milling slabs now with a ms180c small logs my ms 311 died.i wanted the ms660 but don't have the cash.so I'm willing to try one out thanks man I'm willing to take same gamble.
I have a G388 MS380 clone and I have had it two year's it does have a ported jug gutted and ported muffler. I went with 24" forester platinum bar and chain and the saw is a power house ive cut 31 cords and so far not issues except blowing the rubber plug out the back the oiler other then that perfect no issues
THANKS! A great review.
How does it compare to a 461 in terms of power? From watching it seems to be way down on power from a 660. Looking for a cheap saw for occasional home use. It just seems every time I buy a cheap tool because I’m not going to use it much I regret buying it every time I use it! On the other hand I just can’t justify spending $1200 on a quality saw I might only use a couple times a year.
Interesting the performance looks OK (have have had 3 066 stilhs )
how many chains and bars have you used up
As for hard chain Stihl chain is hard like that it eats files but holds up better
are you using full or semi chisel chain and hoe low do you run your depth gauges (drags)
sounds a bit rich have you had a tacho near it or some one good tune it
It's good that you cleaned it. It allows us to see how it's held up to abuse. Thanks for the review. I'm buying one. I set chokers for a living out of douglas county in Oregon. We run nothing but Stihl buy I ain't paying that much for a fire wood cutter.
I have a Husqvarna 51. 22 years old has never had a part replaced on it except chains runs as good as new. Just saying.
I have a Husqvarna 272 XP that I’ve had since 1997. I made most of my living with it it eventually lost compression but recently I have just completely overhauled it now it is good as new. Husqvarna is definitely my favorite
It sounds like the high side could be turned up a bit
yea the choke rod setup is weak. dont push down too hard it will break. have both but more impressed with the 388
Good review and good job sharpening, it was throwing out great noodles.
looking at this too i am a wood turner and need a larger one to get the wood i need
That was a great review
great video, i have the same saw,, well a smaller G388, and it runs great , i've had it two years and i literally haven't had one single issue with it, it's usually strapped onto my 4wheeler and i take it everywhre, it's always started very easily as did yours,, i liked your video as it affirmed my decision in buying my saw as a good purchase, i did pick up some pointers from your video just now, keep up all the great work and i look forward to seeing many more videos!!!... thank you...
Glad to hear the smaller ones are good saws too. I don't need a 92cc beast.
Nice video. Sounded powerful. You just sold one for them.
I also have a Husqvarna 372 XP. My G660 cuts stronger than that. FOr the money, it was a good buy.
after a year that thing should be screaming. retune the carb for more rpm and put on a 25" roller nose bar. then you'll be surprised even more. that thing is only running half of what It can do.
Yeah maybe not! If uses it like that every time didn't even give it a chance chance to warm up just started ripping 15 seconds after firing. That might be all he's ever going to get out of that saw but it don't even look like it's run enough to be broke in yet
Yeah maybe not! If uses it like that every time didn't even give it a chance chance to warm up just started ripping 15 seconds after firing. That might be all he's ever going to get out of that saw but it don't even look like it's run enough to be broke in yet
@@chuckbailey6835 it's a two stoke on a warm day. He wasn't abusive in any way to it. Cutting easy Luke that will warm it up in short order. The comments on here are correct, the carb needs to be adjusted correctly. This saw has a ton left on the table. If this Gent likes it now he'll really dig it when it's running where it should be.
Great job on the review.
as someone who uses stihl ms461 saws the on/off/choke switch is identical in the way it looks to work
Pretty much, if you can afford to get a stihl or Husqvarna, get em. My plan is to get a holz, make and save $, then upgrade in due time
I’m impressed by the rip cut , skip tooth ? 10 degrees ? Tell me about that chain stock or aftermarket?
Thank you.
Harbor Freight sells better quality now than before. It's just they became more expensive that is better to go to Home depot / Lowes for the original tools....... These saws are lower quality than HF. I have one of these, problem with the on and off switch, when I pulled the trigger, the button will move to the off position and shut off the saw, I ended up pulling out the two cables that make contact to shut off the saw. I am thinking of putting a on/off toggle some where , for the moment I am just touching one cable with the other to turn it off ....... I had problems with the chain tensioner, the two gear fit loose and busted. I had to custom make a tensioner with a bolt ... I also had problem with the oil pump, I am replacing it....... For 325 what can we ask for. The engine is good, the saw is strong, it's heavier than original, this one is made of cast iron... with patience I will have a good saw for cheaper
So when you can take each part off and replace with oem that is a clone my friend.