She isn’t stateless, she has citizenship from Malawi, which means she can’t apply for citizenship as a stateless person. She was born during the January 1983 - July 2006 period, out of wedlock to a British father and a foreign mother, which means she doesn’t even need to apply, she can just register. This girl and 99.8% of people in this comment section don’t even understand how citizenship works. Like, citizenship is such an important topic, your life depends on it; so why is this not taught in schools?
@@KirparamKaiwai 3:12 - 3:17 ^ proof that she was born out of wedlock. + I am from the UK, how do you know 100% that I’m not? Who wait you don’t, you’re just speaking out of your arse.
Can't tell if we watched the same video. She explicitly said that she doesn't have citizenship from Malawi. Being a decent human being doesn't cost a thing.
@@agarjakendu She also said her mom and from Malawi and wasn’t a British citizen. According to the Malawian nationality law, that would make her a Malawian citizen. Also it has nothing to do with being a decent human being. You can’t have a passport without first having citizenship. She is eligible to register as a British citizen, she just doesn’t know it.
@@agarjakendubeing a decent human being is the reason why europe is full of terror murder and rape. so why not concentrate on you and your people's behavior towards those who have opened their doors and given you all the opportunities in the world! decency!? 🖕
The sad truth here is there are people working in the home office who are not only incompetent, but clearly have no moral backbone. They know what they are doing is wrong, but they simply don't care.
They are what every totalitarian system in the making needs, what it can not do without, add to that a citizenry that stands by and watches it happen and voila, welcome to Britain.
This is shocking she is a British citizen and she should sue the government, her life is on hold because of this, I hope she gets justice and sort this out
Shame she suffered because of her irresponsible mum when you get children the government is not responsible. The parent should make sure that her status match with kids especially on a foreign country. Know the mum passed on. She left her kids to suffer
@@hks-lion yesterday 2 football fans in Sweden were shot by a warrior of Allah (perpetrator recorded the video and claimed as warrior ) , a teacher in Paris of Russian chechnya muslim stabbed a random person just because he was angry of Palestine conflict, people don't wanna risk getting migrants inside anymore.
'It doesn't make sense' - that sums up the Home Office pretty well. It's time to end this hostile environment and this government that is hostile to all decency.
unfortunately it does make sense, she didn't get UK citizenship from her mother, as her mother wasn't a UK citizen at the time of her birth, and her mother and father wasn't married at the time of her birth, so she doesn't get UK citizenship from her father.
The irony is that we have a huge pension time bomb and the easiest and quickest way to fix it is for immigrants to get jobs and start paying taxes. In the UK there just aren't enough babies being born to pay for an ageing population. The government must create the infrastructure so that people can afford to live where the jobs are.
Hi Angela. I'm sorry you're going through this. Please go online and search for a form called "UKF for British citizenship". You can fill out this form to register as a british citizen since your father was British when you were born. The UKF citizenship route is for anyone who falls within this situation: - You would have become a British citizen (if your parents had been married) if: You were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983 and your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK at the time of the birth If this is your situation, then you can send an application to UKVI using the UKF form which you can get online or you can make an online application and submit documents to support your claim. The application fee is just £80 and the application process lasts 6 months, involving interviews a lot of identity evidence. It also involves biometric capturing. I hope this helps. I wish you luck with the process if you are finally able to apply.
Props for the helpful comment, I hope this process works for those born before July 2021 (parents had to have been married) whose father was a british citizen at the time of their birth. I think it's ridiculous that we have different laws on citizenship for people depending on when they were born. We ought to just streamline the law so it applies retroactively and allows those who's parents weren't married at the time of child's birth to still be granted citizenship if at least one parent is a British citizen, y'know.
@@jacovichstabs841 Children born by July 2021 to British fathers should have automatically been British at birth regardless of whether or not the child's parents were married at the time of their birth. The UKF citizenship route covers the period between January 1983 and July 2006.
@@Essorvivace Yeah, I guess I just don't understand why we have this tiered system. Surely the law should apply equally and retroactively. I feel it needs to be streamlined to avoid causing people to have to go through these expensive and time consuming hurdles.
That 1982 amendment to nationality law only says ".......one parent is BC or is settled in the UK". It does not say anything about the parents being married and the description "settled in the UK" needs to be looked at in detail. Also, more information is needed, eg where was the father born or how and when did he get BC, where was the mother born and how and when did she get BC plus the parent(s) immigration status from the time they left their first country to when they got BC.
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Thanks, but in Angela's case, the British citizenship status of her father was not in doubt at the time of her birth and I would like to think the UK Home Office must certainly have passed his citizenship application under the kind of scrutiny that would normally involve the kind of research into his background, origin and identity that you have described, before granting him British citizenship. Therefore, that's not left for Angela to deal with. Also, Angela's brother was issued a British passport without issues, having applied just like Angela did and that is because he, like Angela was born in the UK but unlike Angela, must have been born after their mum had gained British citizenship, thus leaving Angela's right to automatic British citizenship by birth in the UK hanging on Angela's father's British citizenship. If Angela was born after their mum had gained British citizenship, she most certainly would have acquired British citizenship at birth through her mum, just like her brother did. But that was not the case. Angela then falls under children born (in or outside of the UK) to British fathers who were not married to their mothers at the time of their birth, between January 1983 and July 2006. These children could not be considered British citizens by descent automatically, due to the UK nationality laws that required their parents to have been legally married before they can have the right to claim British citizenship automatically at birth. Fortunately, the Home Office have, since 2015, now considered these sets of children as British citizens in retrospect (under article 4G of UK nationality laws as amended in April 2015), which has now opened the UKF citizenship route to this category of children, under which Angela falls. The difference between children born within that period whose parents were legally married and those whose parents were not, is that the former were automatically considered British citizens by descent and would therefore be eligible to apply directly for a British passport, while the latter are now being required since 2015 to apply for British citizenship by registration through the UKF route, and pay a token application fee, in order to gain British citizenship before they can apply for a British passport. I hope this helps.
It’s better than it was. I dealt with these issues in 1993. Her parents failed. When I was in Japan in the 00s the foreign people whose babies were born there didn’t assume citizenship in either country. Of course every birth requires paperwork. Her parents were negligent.
O meu filho também nasceu aqui e está na mesma situação 🤦♀️ e disseram que tem que fazer o teste sendo que tida vida estudou aqui tem tudo affff hipocrisia total
This had me shook. Exact same thing happened to me a decade ago and it's so scary that this is still happening... Born in England. Lived here my whole life, never stepped foot outside the country. Both parents were originally from Ghana. One had citizenship at my birth, the other got it later. The Home Office still said I was stateless when I applied for a passport. Had to pay thousands to get naturalised; it put us in debt for years. Very indicative of Britain's attitude to us as a whole. My heart goes out to you hun 💜
@@MrWolff__ We should stay out a build up our original country, see how long they can survive without us black ppl (Edit) we pay to much to stay here the home office are the biggest Scanners in the world
If one parent had citizenship at your time of birth then I really don’t understand why they made you stateless, but very glad you’ve manage to sort it out.
I really sympathise with her, as someone who has been fighting my case against the home office for over 10 years and recently got successful decision, I really hope her situation gets sorted out soon so she can pursue her dreams and career.
@@werdna2602 I’m soo happy for you and glad to hear that you are now working. You can now look forward to the future and don’t look back. Wish you all the best for your future endeavours. 🙏🏿
Thank you, Theresa May, this woman's problems can be laid at your door. Aided and abetted by the plethora of Home Secretaries who've followed her example. 😐
I did not know it was May who did this. Even if it was her, the blame lies on the entire Conservative Party because of how it's gone from no deal Brexit to Rwanda immigration bill lunacy.
You think the Tory,s give a fig. This is what they wanted. There are not stupid and have created this as part of there long term plan of hate to control divide and rule. I can't tell you how much I detest them.
I would love to see an update on this. The fact an application can fall on an individual's interpretation of the law is terrifying. More so that she doesn't appear to be able to appeal their decision.
It’s been standard Tory policy since Churchill, Labour hasn’t done anything to address when they were in power, they fear losing the white supremacy vote
When I was born neither of my parents where British citizens, my dad not even European but I was allowed a passport because back then it was the law that if you’re born here you’re automatically a citizen. One year after my brother was born they changed the law. Im very thankful my parents where on top of it or this would have been me. It’s so important to make sure your children are properly documented!
Immigration is international finance capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in, which is a race to the bottom particularly for the working class. No economy will invest in training or increase pay and conditions if it can just fly in labour. Oligarchs love immigration. Back in the day the Left understood this, even Bernie Sanders was anti immigration.
Conservatives love mass immigration as its cheap labour and future consumers for capitalism. That's why they let 1 million in last year. Capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in is a race to the bottom, particularly for the working class.
@@evolassunglasses4673 the Tories keep wages low like by paying nurses shoddy wages so our nurses move to Australia and we import foreign nurses. Be teachers next. We do need immigration but the Brexit hard right way to go about things is absolutely the wrong way.
Its not just this government, this is a very old policy, it’s just that previously they didn’t go around with megaphones and threatening letters saying go home.
They followed the rules very literally, which are very clear. British nationality rules are incredibly complicated. For certain people born at a certain time or place it only applies if their father, for example, was a citizen. Also Empire citizens (British subjects) could at one point live anywhere in the empire but when rules were changed some of these were either reclassified or deported which made matters very tricky. Spike Milligan, for example, was one such person. He was born in India in 1918 and was a British Subject until 1960 when they changed the rules and he was refused a British Citizen passport. He became stateless until 1962 when he gained Irish citizenship as his father was Irish, and remained only Irish until his death in 2002 (rules then and now give Irish citizens settled status, an effective direct continuation of the Empire citizen rules).
What if the person was implementing the regulations, also was black would they be racist also. But anyway a bit of common sense from the passport office. Your heart goes out too her.
Passport Office had done me the same! Born here in 1988 to parents who had naturalised in the 70s, lived here all my life, been through the full educational system, spent 10 years working for the NHS etc. and they refused to give me a British passport until 2015 because they refused to believe I was a British Citizen... missed out on family trips, lads holidays and allsorts... bare in mind I have a National Insurance card, pay National Insurance and everything lol. I would advise reaching out to the Home Office as them and the Passport Office do not communicate with each other at all. The Home Office will be the ones to issue you a letter, confirming your nationality, which you need to give to the Passport Office. They also offered my family a full refund of all the money we put in to applications, legal fees etc because they realised how much of a fuck up they made on my case. Best of luck to you sis!
The cut off for automatic citizenship ended in 1982 during Margaret Thatcher's reign. If you are not ethnically British the burden of proof is on you. Your mother should make sure you get a passport while she is alive. Makes things easier.
All she needs to do is formally apply for UK citizenship which she will get, and then she can get the passport. Yes it's bullshit but those are the rules and have been for a while. The UK does not have a rule whereby you get citizenship just by being born here.
This is what immigration restriction means in practice. 100% of people to the nearest percent support some significant degree of immigration restriction, even though even the slightest immigration restriction leads to cruelty and economic harm.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Of course, it is. There is no "humane" way to violate freedom. But people want the impossible. If you don't want a "hostile environment", you want de facto open immigration, in which case we might as well have de jure open immigration (which I certainly would want).
@YorickReturns no, "hostile environment" is not a prerequisite for immigration restriction. Either you don't know what it means or you have misunderstood its history
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Someone comes here illegally. What do you want to happen? If you want them to be allowed to stay, de facto there is no immigration restriction. I want the law to be changed, so there are no immigration restrictions. So I don't have this problem.
No she doesn't, she just needs to apply for UK citizenship, which she will get, then she can have a passport. The rules are weird but those are the rules.
@@Kerynasta What makes you think she is entitled to UK citizenship under the current HO rules? I suggest a lawyer best be in charge of her case, incase they deny her citizenship, claim she is here illegally - and try and deport her.
@@jackgillies5638 because she's been here for a long time (assuming she's been here twenty years she's absolutely entitled to citizenship, I thought it was five but apparently it's twenty at worst.) That's the rules.
Better still,she should run in the next election against Cruella in her constituency, and boot her out on her a**.... that would be poetic justice. Slogan "you won't let me leave...I made you leave". On Angela's career "break a 🦵".
With all that money? No chance, but it would have been funny to have seen her on the first flight to Rwanda, but I would prefer to see zero flights, even if that means suffering her and let’s face it, the white supremacy behind her actions is going nowhere.
She needs to see an immigration lawyer. She can apply for citizenship under the 10 year rule applicable to those born in the UK and spent the first 10 years of their life in the UK.
I hate the fact this is happening to people, our Government should be ashamed of themselves and helping people like Angela out instead of doubling down on the xenophobia, bigotry and racism they have festered in this country of the last few years.
@georgecromar4094 you only get called that by bigots and hate goblins, who've got a chip on their shoulder. They're very angry people, and are furious about everything, all of the time. It must be exhausting, which is probably why they're so grumpy.
Its the law! Its been the law for DECADES. Peoples ignorance of the law is no defence - this poor woman should have been Malawi, not British, at birth. Not her fault at all, but her mother should have applied for her children at the same time she did for herself. Thats how it works!
My sister was a true blue Tory, moved here at 2 weeks old from Uganda in ‘70, much like Priti Patel or Suella. Last year she went to renew her passport and they refused her and threatened her with deportation. When she called to HO to find out why, they refused to talk to her, and it was up to her white partner to call and then they spoke with any respect to her. They only apologised to her partner and not to her and she managed to sort it out eventually. She’s finally realised that she can’t vote for Tory or any of these right wing parties.
@@pexijsanchezshame on YOU. Don't 'fight' alleged prejudice with prejudice. You are not the arbiter of how people of colour should feel and act. Drop the 'coconut' shit.
See also the Home Secretary’s Asian parents both born in third countries and who, presumably, have been awarded British Passports. Reflecting the truly English principle “I’m all right Jack, pull up the drawbridge.”
Yeh as she has travelled abroad she already has a passport, either because she got lucky in her application or her wealthy parents applied for citizenship. Its fucked up.
Suella Braverman's parents are Both Economic Migrants By Her Definition! and would be Deported Today She is a complete Hypocrite And So is the PM whose Parents are The Same Economic Migrants!
Well yes but if they've lived in the UK for 5 years and applied for citizenship then they're entitled to the passports just like anyone else. Them's the rules...
@@Kerynasta at the moment. Let’s see what the future brings when Sue-Ellen’s Warr-on-Sea “Ultimate Answer” Conference bring forth its propositions for her next illegal bill.
Same happened to my older sister and you know what’s crazy is that I was entitled to citizenship and got a passport but my sister applied for a passport and they rejected it, said she’s stateless! She had to prove she’s from uk and grew up here etc! But she’s been voting and had credit in uk. Eventually she passed the citizenship test 🤦🏾♀️ and we went to the ceremony with immigrants it was soo strange because they were all surprised she had a British accent and now she has a passport!
If a tourist gives birth in another country the child will not get citizenship of that country, you get your parents citizenship. So blame your parents.
@@magnusE7 Depends on the country. Not everywhere has the same laws. In the USA for a long time it was as you say, here it wasn't. People get this wrong all the time.
@CME77 not true in every country and also not true if you are born on an ocean liner as the child would assume the sovereignty of the nationality of the company that owns the ship
@@leehenry5764 May changed the laws ,as did cameron for their own benefits & shares - may denied implied rights for citizenship when born here thats why we cover up pregnant migrants " all men " is what the news says - women are taken back to prevent the very thing pulled on ^^ her - the right to live here when born here
@@MichaelGGarry It does if your parents already are British citizens, however if they are not, then they can't be British or get a British passport, and neither can your family.
It’s an absolute disgrace and source of personal shame that she and her parents FAILED to travel to France in her 28 years that failed to get her papers in order. Everyone regardless should have their passport to the ready!
@@matthewsmith3592 so, basic government structures making dumb mistakes and taking ages to do anything at all is not a total disgrace and a national shame? Just more proofs that this country have a very unhealthy level of tolerance for incompetence.
@@Charles-sg9zu All brexitards say the same 💩 because they are paranoid that if Labour gets in, they will take us in the eu where we do belong with are neighbors. No, Labour are not Tories and you're just talking rubbish. My father is handicapped and had his benefits scrapped because of Tories and stupid brexiteers that are to blame. Under Labour he would be safe.
Thank you for sharing Angela's story. Hope she gets sorted soon. The hone office needs to get their act together. Surely, someone can see the girl is British and grant her her passport.. Best of luck, Angela , stay strong..🍀🍀🍀
It was her parents fault for not sorting this out for their children when the mother got her citizenship. When she was born, her mother was not a citizen of the UK. The mother applied for HERSELF only.
@@Elizabeth-qi5fx I can agree that people make mistakes and we didn't know the parents circumstances, but to blame the system which has been in place since 1982 is wrong. Who is to blame when we don't become familiar with laws and citizen rights? Do you know how many children don't get access to their parents property because the parent didn't write a will or it cannot be found? Aunties/uncles and children fighting for it. People dying with no life insurance. Sometimes we worry about the things are actually not important and are ignorant to the things that are and these things will affect our children/families.
@@janeth3008 It doesn’t have to be either/or We can be concerned about the woman above in the excerpt and be concerned about the things you mention. The Tories and the vile funk this country is currently in has some people convinced that there isn’t enough compassion to go around. There is. Clearly something has happened to you and I’m sorry for that. I’m sorry that your pain is blinding you to the plight of this young woman. I follow the old sayings 1) be kind and 2) walk a mile in someone else’s moccasins before you judge. This conversation is completed for me. Bye bye 👋
@@heartgenerator4967 WTF? I don't care about the colour of her skin, I am talking about the law of the land. As the father of mixed race children who have gone through all of this across multiple countries myself.
Home office try to reduce the number of UK passport holders due to the system abuse as most non-Uk nations later attend religious demonstrations on the streets and there are hardly any actual Britons left in the country. I see home office being very strict with refugees too. Times have changed that’s how I understand it.
@@oneoflokis Except that doesn't explain why her brother got it. So maybe it's sexism too? Except that the rules in this case resulted in this outcome precisely because of in-built anti-male sexism, if you note what the spokesman said.
Tory moved to be closer to ukip because they knew that UKIP was getting stronger so they adopted their policies bringing them intoo the tory party, that media sold labour as the racist party was beyond incredible
@@evolassunglasses4673we know. The tories celebrate it every opportunity they get. In-between their vile illegal attempts to dehumanise refugees, they remind us how welcoming the uk is and how generous we are.
@@MichaelGGarryThe law of the land isn't handed down by gods it is debated and passed by governments. And which collection of politicians have been providing the government recently if not the festering Tories.
The Uk passport office states that any child born after 1982 will take their mothers nationality. Therefore if your mother did not have a British Citizenship when you were born, you won’t be British regardless of whether you were born here.
REALLY since when, I never knew that. I was born into 75 my parents and parents came to England to help fight Hitler from Caribbean built the country up but that was Antigua St John West indies which essentially belonged to Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth. The whole thing is weird
The UK is no longer English, but a mixture of fifty shades of brown. What a sad situation, that in the near future the UK culture will disappear. I have visited London and certain neighbourhoods look like 3rd world countries.
Amazing that a Government can make a citizen stateless just like that. Amnesty International have called the UK governments policies "a cold hearted attack on human rights" how can anyone hear this story and disagree?
Most people don't disagree. The filth who support this scum just don't believe in human rights, because they believe (wrongly) theirs will always be safe.
@Brizlebird that's your point. Amnesty's point is that it's a despicable, archane policy fuelled by hateful paranoia from bitterly selfish individuals.
The case is unfortunate. When Angela stated that her mother got her British citizenship when she was 16, the Home Office Treated her like an adult. Probably that’s why the brother got his citizenship. Being born in the UK after the 1980s doesn’t qualify one for British citizenship. With the hostile policies that the Tories have introduced to ‘reduce net migration’ they provide a stupid excuse. Hopefully Angela get her citizenship soon.
It is actually anyone born in the UK after Dec 1981 does not automatically qualify as a british citizen. Unless the parents are settled with indefinite leave to remain or one of them is a british citizen. There is a category where this lady can apply for british citizenship, if she brings proof she lived in the UK for ten years or more as a child , for example proof of attendance of a school in the UK. Even though the fact that her mother has british citizenship should be proof enough.
The British government has been tinkering with the laws regarding citizenship for decades, certainly since the 1960s. Objective is to exclude dark-skinned people. They tightened up regulations for Aussies and Kiwis, and some other whites to appear even-handed. I don't know precisely where things stand now.
This is not a video i want to see, currently trying to get my British passport and waiting on the home office, and i've been living here for my whole life. but i wasnt born here. had to do the stupid life in the uk test. smfh
If it's any consolation, if everyone in the UK was to take a citizenship test at least 90% would fail it miserably. Good luck to you with your passport.
Completely agree with my comment. It is the parent's responsibility. We blame the system but we cannot change rules and regulations of the passport system of each country.
This is the most clear cut case of modern fascism weve ever seen. But because the perpetrators are of brown stock (braveman et al) no one is calling it what it is.
Literally every single comment is gushing over her BECAUSE shes not British, certainly what we need at the moment more monkeys having passports handed to them, lets all virtue signal how we put foreigners above our own 🤡
I was born in the UK and have lived here all my life. There is little about this country that I still recognize. It's a petty, small place who's time has long past. Weak politicians, petty bureaucrats trying to be "little lords" and not an ounce of compassion or common sense. This young woman is British, pure and simple. Someone somewhere needs to work on growing a few more neurons and recognize that fact. This sort of thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
Born and grew up in the UK. My wife is a US citizen and the bs we've had to put up with due to our messed up visa application process on top of huge hikes in immigration fees planned make us feel like she's not welcome and by extension I don't feel welcome in my own country.
@@carlpeckett1393 I have experienced a similar thing. My wife is Chinese and we have given up trying to get her allowed into the UK. We have decided to make China our permanent home.
My friend told me be careful he told me about the madness going on so I registered my daughter as soon as she was born did her birth certificate and her passport doesn't matter whether we travel or not this document is important and must have one in hand for entire family and will keep updating I have also kept record of my council tax and keep it upto date with soft copy on my computer and my p60 record of my job don't know when will it be usefull now like this lady in the video is big example of how important is to keep documents in hand and records of out existence in place
This is the definition of systemic violence which people should really try to understand. We talk about crime and violence all the time but I know most people would rather get mugged once than have their citizenship refused on such a BS technicality. Such an incredibly vital part of your life left up to the whims of bureaucrats (probably outsourced) who see you as a number not a human. Many of them have targets for refusals and things like that as well. It's far more violent than most people realise and the stress and trauma can be long lasting. The stress of the visa system and possibly being deported have my wife panic attacks, for example. The system is inhumane by design. It needs to be totally reformed.
Can she not get the Home Office to find the person who made the decision to refuse her a passport? They should be made responsible for explaining their decision and providing this woman a route to rectify it. Also how is there no appeals process for a denied passport?
It's not down to what an individual had for breakfast, it's application of the rules as the spokesman explained - yes, in this case it's led to a weird outcome, so there should be some discussion as to how to improve the law.
The passport office can't give someone citizenship. They'll have advised her to naturalise or register with the home office, which she would be eligible to do.
Probably no longer can trust Labour Party to deal with this situation either since they're keen to keep many Tories policies. It's unfair how the home office has turned a simple application into a unnecessary complicated mess.
Absolutely true it oght to be criminal, that's why certain countries end up at war, a beneficiary from refugeeism should not be allowed to impose such a selfish hard spineless wicked and inconsiderate right to limit the futures of the poor, vulnerable and needy in this nation, she has proven totally unsuitable for the position. This nation is going to be resented for many years because Suella Braverman and Pritty Patel. Eda Amine knew what he didn't want, and these 2 politicians are exactly that, to be hated by the needy, method of death so vicious that GOD himself will need to get to work his vengeance upon them for wicked they bistow on the innocently needy, watch her corner!
Her parents may have sorted it out when she was a child, like this woman's parents should've done. The citizenship status of a child is something that parents should take seriously, and not leave it to chance. It sounds like you're not familiar enough about the rules of citizenship to know whether the Home Office was actually being discriminatory or unfair to her. Citizenship rules ARE discriminatory - whether a person is automatically a citizen depends on several factors, including the birth place, citizenship and marital status of the parents, and the birth place and date of the child. This means that 2 siblings can have different entitlement to citizenship, even if they were only born a year apart. If her brother was born after 2006 and she was born before 2006, different rules would apply to them. The story makes none of this clear - it's vague reporting designed to make people angry, but the Devil is in the detail, and this report gives none of it.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Okay, people make mistakes. And maybe they were too busy working and surviving, its not her fault. I'm not angry. She seems like a decent person.
Rather than just slag off the Tories for a law made in 1981, why not at least also ask why Labour never corrected it in 13 years in office. Let's see if they take the opportunity shortly coming up.
@Shikuesi because the Tories have been in power for 13 years, and have made everything much worse than Labour ever did. This girl's plight is happening right now. When the Law was made and by who is irrelevant.
Basically, her brother got a deciding officer that wasn't racist and she got the one that was. I should know I was a fraud officer in benefits and I came into contact with some colleagues that, just say we're a little overzealous in dealing with people who had a different skin colour or spoke English with a funny accent. Some DM's were fair but others were not. The fact was all decisions are supposed to be made within the same criteria and decisions like this are not supposed to happen. The reason it does is because of the targets that civil servants are given. The hostile environment isn't just for those on the public side of the counter and not just in the home office department. As others have said here, Theresa May was responsible for making a bad situation an awful lot worse.
There are a considerable number of ethnics working at the receiving end of HMPO therefore this is little more than SWAG on your part. (Scientific Wild-Arrsed GUESSWORK!)
@@genwoolfe It's hardly guesswork I have 42 years of experience within the civil service. Clearly, even an idiot can see in this case that there is a clear discrepancy in the decision-making. Just as in all workplaces, there are people that are racist within the civil service. My other point was about targets being imposed and this leads to poor decisions and fiddling of figures so it's not swag as you call it but years of experience.
She mentioned her mother remarried. It seems the brother was from a different father who may have British and named on his BC or he was born before U.K. banned birthright citizenship. She should just apply as a stateless person as they directed her to.
@@ACCantab No, she said that her father was British there were 12 months between her and her younger brother so they had the same father. What she does mention is that there were older siblings that did have a different father.
This girl is articulate and clearly is a professional, yet we have people who can barely string a sentence in English and have no idea of the British culture ( in some instance actually hate us) who have British passports… mind boggles
So glad that she was able to share this story. Had a similar situation to Angelo and completely get how frustrated, confused and powerless she must feel. Hoping she manages to find a solution
When people with machine hearts and machine minds run this country, this is one of the many injustices they inflict. I hope she gets resolve, bless her.
I feel her pain, I am in a similar situation after applying for my British passport, the HM Passport Office employees unfortunately are often making very unjust and inhumane decisions. The infuriating part is that they refuse to backtrack on wrong decisions, that is a very irresponsible stance to take.
I wasn't British either until this year, despite being born here and having lived here my whole life. Had to pay a whole £1000 and pledge allegiance to the King to make official what I already was. When my application was successful, some people congratulated me and I'm here like ???? Hellooo, I'm British, listen to my voice 😭
And I didn't even know I wasn't British until a few years ago. Kinda sucks, because it does feel like discrimination against those who have parents and grandparents as immigrants to make it harder for them, but hey ho c'est la vie
When immigrants settle here, and they don't have citizenship before a child is born, they have to apply for the whole family. What amazes me, and I assume, that you went to school? How was that possible because surely you had a British birth certificate.? How confusing it must have been for you.
@@Ashtarot77No if you were born after 1983 (& before 2000 as the rule get more complex for EU citizens)and your mother (or father if they were married) were living in the UK legally you are automatically a British Citizen. Now getting the home office to acknowledge the law is another thing entirely.
I find it very strange that I know people from overseas who have come here and got UK citizenship with relatively little trouble and yet I know others who have worked here for decades in vital professions, paid taxes, contributed to the UK in very positive ways but are in a very precarious position. Could it possibly be that the first group are white and the second group are not?
No, if you've lived in the UK for five years you can apply for citizenship and if you pass the test you will get it. Yes, the test is piffle and a lot of British people would fail it but it's not subject to anyone's opinion, it's a legally defined procedure.
@@Kerynasta the point is someone who was born and grew up here shouldn't have to pay to take a test that most British citizens wouldn't pass just to prove they're British enough to be a citizen.
@@Kerynasta I think you're speaking about the theoretical situation rather than the reality for many people. I know people who have been threatened with deportation after decades of service to this country. It's not just the Windrush scandal, it affects more people than that. Perhaps you're too young to remember when people who had British passports suddenly found they weren't regarded as British any more after the end of the Empire. The most famous example was Spike Milligan who was born in India to a British Army father. He was so angry he applied for Irish citizenship when he was told he could stay British but only if he paid money to the Government.
@@hatjodelka I'm talking about the rules the passport office would have used, so if you want to call that the theoretical situation, sure fine. The point is that the title of the video is inaccurate outrage bait and the real situation as so often is a bit more complicated than that.
Happened to me. The passport staff were all West Africans - Nigeria and Ghana from particular tribal regions with heavy accents that I could understand despite being a bit deaf. Knew applicants who were waved through despite expecting difficulties (name matched tribe region). Others stalled for years despite ticking all the boxes - wrong name. An elderly Pakistani post office chap in East Ham got me sorted. He was brilliantly helpful with lots of experience. BTW, I'm white British when I complete demography forms. Born UK 1955 during a 2-month stay in Sussex with retired Australian doctor grandfather before back to Nigeria at 6 weeks in 1955. My old passport had expired. They wanted birth, death, marriage certificates going back 2 or 3 generations.
If you were born in the UK in 1955 you simply have to show you were born in the UK, that you are who you say you are and that your parents weren't foreign diplomats to the UK or enemy aliens on the date of your birth. Enemy aliens are potentially citizens of a nation the UK has declared war with that has not been resolved. The UK has not declared war with any nation since 1942.
Being born in the U.K. doesn’t mean u are a citizen one of your parents must be British citizens to be classed as British however the fact her mother and father are British means she should be entitled unless her mother and father became citizens after she was born then she has to apply in her own right
I'm not surprised at all. The home office is a brutal cold hearted monster. They've no regard to human life. They treated the Windrush generation appallingly & after getting caught they issued a lousy apology.
@grahamt5924 Do you hear yourself what you said? So, according to you, It is their job to discriminate against people who were born in this country? Are you implying the home office was right to unfairly treat the Windrush the way they did?
@Stirlingshirecastle Every country discriminates against people over passports. That is their job. Not everyone is entitled to a passport, so most people are discriminated against, as they are not entitled to a UK passport. It is their very reason for existing. I was born in Zimbabwe to parents who had Zimbwean citizenship. At 27, I was denied citizenship in the country of my birth and had to apply for a British passport because both my parents were born in Britain. It's exactly the same situation as this lady. I had to leave Zimbabwe. I never heard anyone say I had the right .to stay in Zimbabwe in 2001, just because I was born there.
Section 5 of the Malawian Citizenship Act no. 28 of 1966: "5. Citizenship by descent A person born outside Malawi after the 5th day of July, 1966, shall become a citizen of Malawi on the date of his birth if his father or mother is a citizen of Malawi by birth." Therefore, she isn't stateless. The Home Office does need to explain the discrepancy between the brother and her applications better, though. It may make things clearer.
Having first hand experience dealing with the Home Office, it seems whether your application is rejected is completely arbitrary, depending on who takes up your case and how they’re feeling that day. My wife applied for 3 6 month periods of health surcharge refund (she’s a heath worker), all for an identical job role with identical payslip evidence. 2 were accepted and 1 was rejected. Only difference being the officer looking at each application. It’s like playing Russian roulette when making any sort of application.
Whenever some prick tries to tell you that Immigration controls aren't racist, show them this and see what mental gymnastics they have to do to justify that position. And bet you no Canadian, Australian, New Zealander or American who lives in the UK has ever been at risk of being made stateless in the same way.
Immigration is just capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in, which is a race to the bottom particularly for the working class. Oligarchs love immigration. No economy will invest in training or increase pay and conditions if it can just fly in labour. Back in the day the Left understood this, even Bernie Sanders was anti immigration
As a German who lived in the UK for a few years I have my own ideas of what's going on. In Germany we have de facto three different styles of bureaucracy because the country wasn't unified before 1871, and until then we had Napoleonic bureaucracy in the south-western states (dating back to the time of French occupation not long after the French revolution), old-fashioned Bavarian bureaucracy (similar to Austrian bureaucracy) in Bavaria, and Prussian bureaucracy (inspired by Napoleon but different) in Prussia. The differences aren't in laws and regulations so much as in the workplace culture. Only Bavarian bureaucracy is as flexible as British bureaucracy traditionally is. Ultimately, case workers can do whatever they want if they deem it necessary and do not expect to get into trouble for that. The other two bureaucracy styles are far more rigid. You have to follow all the rules pedantically. This used to be completely alien to British bureaucracy, but is now being enforced in large parts of British bureaucracy. However, the UK hasn't created the necessary pressure valves yet. If you enforce the rules rigidly, you also need extremely fine-grained extra rules that collectively cover every possible case that needs an exception. The difference between Prussia and (the German version of) Napoleonic bureaucracy is that Prussian bureaucrats tend to hide the exceptions and only apply them if you explicitly ask for them, whereas in south-western Germany will typically advise you about applicable exceptions unprompted. British bureaucracy currently seems to be even worse than Prussian bureaucracy, as the necessary regulation of exceptions doesn't even exist yet and those responsible are just pretending it is not required. Do not let them get away with that. That's not what your ancestors won the Second World War for.
Being born here doesn’t make you British if your parents are not and haven’t applied for you to be British. Sadly many countries in the world are like this and people are clueless about this
True you take your parents status she has to get a immigration lawyer to assist her problem she is doing it on her own cause she feels she was born here .Only solicitors can help her
@@beverlytucker9537 the law also has a responsibility to be used with wisdom. And there will be the mechanisms to do so. This decision has no wisdom whatsoever and instead is cruel and discriminatory as well as having been applied very harshly Ona young person who is in no way responsible for her situation, and furthermore has been leading her life with responsibility. I say this as someone who was once the parent of children with different status and knowing exactly how stressful such a situation can be.
Don't blame Britain for this. Blame her mother. SHE put her in this situation. She obviously didn't want to pay the £1,012 registration fee when the girl was under 18, just like the girl herself doesn't want to pay the £1,206 fee now she is over 18. This is not the British Government "making her stateless". Just pay the damned fee!
Having had the misfortune to work for the Home Office nothing fails to surprise me when it comes to seeing appalling cases like this! Just absolutely shocking and idiotic. This country really is a cesspit. Ridiculous decisions are made purely on the basis of having the right FIGURES for the government and NOT necessarily on going by the rules relating to specific applications!
Are you sure you worked for the Home Office and or even understand how immigration law works? If you did this case should not be hard to understand. The laws are there for a purpose.
@@SueKim527 oh so do you know the intricacies of Immigration law then? I worked there for a decade and saw managers IGNORE immigration law a multitude of times to produce the figures the government wanted!
@@uchee211 I couldn't agree more. I never worked with worse sexist racists than I did working in the Home Office. What irony! The lovely people who worked there were amazing but the horrid ones were toxic beyond words.
It's the Hostile Environment, not the Fair Environment or the Just Environment. By design it doesn't only affect non citizens. By design it starts from the basis that you are not a citizen, and then makes it hard to change that. It is offensive by design.
So her mother wasn’t a citizen when she was born here, , she then became a citizen but never claimed it for her daughter, her brother was because of the changes to law about citizenship came into force before he was born. There’s no discrimination or conspiracy against this lady, just the laws and rules changed, she can apply and get a passport once she’s done so.
The rules are racist. Malawi is a former British colonial possession. The govt should have expected inward migration and prepared itself to deal with various human irregularities, building a system sufficiently flexible not to ruin people's lives or put them to pointless hardship. Nothing and no-one is served by this bureaucratic cul-de-sac.
The UK is not the US. Different citizenship regulations - children born in the US are deemed to be US citizens; children born in the UK need to be born to a UK citizen - her mother was a single, non-UK citizen at the time of her birth. Flip side: my cousin was born in California when my uncle and aunt were still UK citizens; he has both US citizenship, as he was born there, and UK citizenship because he was born to British parents. We also aren't told if her father's name is on her birth certificate - if not, there would be no proof of paternal citizenship. The story is incomplete as we aren't told if her brother was born after their mother attained UK citizenship or after her mother married. There may be legitimate reasons why her brother's application was accepted but hers wasn't.
This is the key part of the British Nationality Act which the Home Office is citing, quoting from the wiki page: "Mothers as well as fathers were allowed to pass on British nationality to their (UK born) children. However, until 2006, British parents of children born outside the UK (or in the UK to a non-British mother) had to be married." So the fact that it was her father who was British and not her mother at the time of her birth, and that they weren't married at the time is what underpins the ruling from the Home Office. Really stupid rule though - as they chose to make the 2006 change, they must have realised the requirement for marriage was antiquated and that the difference between mother and father's rights to pass on citizenship was sexist. Surely if they came to the conclusion that the original rules were wrong then the change should be made retroactively as well for anyone affected by the bad old rules. Obviously this didn't happen which is why Angela has to follow the outdated pre-2006 laws. If this was the law and system in place at the time of her birth, then when they made her birth certificate it should have been clear that she was not a British citizen and the mother should have been informed of this so that she could at least seek Malawian citizenship for her child. As it stands poor Angela has been stateless her whole life and never knew. There absolutely should be a way to remedy this because there is no-one in their right mind that would claim that this is the way it should be and that Angela shouldn't be a British citizen. We can all agree the situation is dumb and shouldn't be this way and that the law should change, either to apply the 2006 change retroactively, or to add a new clause that permits citizenship to those children born in this country if they reach a specific age or even adulthood and have never been out of the country. Having said that, is there a way for Angela to resolve her personal situation without the need for a change to the law? Can she work with the broken system as it currently stands? The Passport Office denied her a passport because she's not a British citizen, okay, on paper that makes sense. So can she now apply for British citizenship officially and then apply for a passport afterwards? Surely there is no reason that the Home Office can deny her citizenship... or am I misunderstanding something here, is the Passport Office the same as those who give citizenship? I wouldn't have thought so because you can be a citizen and not have a passport of course.
If you look at British Nationality act if your mother (or father if they were married) were living in the UK legally (its a bit more complex for EU citizens after 2000) you are automatically a British Citizen. Now getting the home office to acknowledge the law is another thing entirely.
Have just seen this and several comments reflect my thoughts. As a teacher I have supported a few students threatened with deportation having a similar history and we went to an appeal court in Croydon. On each occasion our case was supported. Have there been any developments since the posting?
Your basic understanding is correct. All she needs to do is register herself as a British Citizen and then apply for a Passport. The video makes no sense to me at all, the Law is clear. That's all she needs to do. I do believe she has suffered psychologically which is very cruel actually on the part of the Authorities that have dealt with her.
Can't be racist if her brother recognised as British. No consistency. My mother aged 73 had to prove she was British for the NHS even born here white worked etc. Work that out!
But it’s the law, children that are born in the UK to non-British parents are not British citizens. However, if one of her parents was British at the time she was born, she is British. If the parents became British after she was born, it was the responsibility of the parents to process her citizenship.
A similar thing happened to me. I'm mixed race, my father is British and grandparents on his side, my mum is from a country in Africa. I was born and raised here but because my parents weren't married I wasn't automatically a citizen. There is a process, I used the UK-F form. The law changed in 2006, anyone born in the UK that has at least one parent who is a British Citizen will automatically be a citizen which is good news for those born after 2006 but the path for people pre 2006 is not that clear. As others have said, get a lawyer to help you. It shook me for a while but I'm getting there now mentally and it was all sorted a few years ago luckily. I understand how you're feeling. x
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The Home Office have effectively made her a refugee in her own country.
What a crazy situation.
Next step - she will be deported to Rwanda. Home Office at its finest.
Legally her home country is Malawi.
@@MichaelGGarry obviously not
@@MichaelGGarry NO it isnt. clearly theres nothing between your ears in fact im not sure your ears themselves work
@@MichaelGGarry shes 100% British....
What a lovely person and for her to be treated so horribly wrong by the state makes your blood boil.
She isn’t stateless, she has citizenship from Malawi, which means she can’t apply for citizenship as a stateless person.
She was born during the January 1983 - July 2006 period, out of wedlock to a British father and a foreign mother, which means she doesn’t even need to apply, she can just register.
This girl and 99.8% of people in this comment section don’t even understand how citizenship works. Like, citizenship is such an important topic, your life depends on it; so why is this not taught in schools?
@@KirparamKaiwai 3:12 - 3:17
^ proof that she was born out of wedlock.
+ I am from the UK, how do you know 100% that I’m not? Who wait you don’t, you’re just speaking out of your arse.
Can't tell if we watched the same video. She explicitly said that she doesn't have citizenship from Malawi. Being a decent human being doesn't cost a thing.
@@agarjakendu She also said her mom and from Malawi and wasn’t a British citizen. According to the Malawian nationality law, that would make her a Malawian citizen.
Also it has nothing to do with being a decent human being. You can’t have a passport without first having citizenship. She is eligible to register as a British citizen, she just doesn’t know it.
@@agarjakendubeing a decent human being is the reason why europe is full of terror murder and rape. so why not concentrate on you and your people's behavior towards those who have opened their doors and given you all the opportunities in the world! decency!? 🖕
The sad truth here is there are people working in the home office who are not only incompetent, but clearly have no moral backbone.
They know what they are doing is wrong, but they simply don't care.
They are what every totalitarian system in the making needs, what it can not do without, add to that a citizenry that stands by and watches it happen and voila, welcome to Britain.
She’s being discriminated against by a home office Karen.
@@Parrotting has zero to do with discrimination.
@@vegasmike hi Karen
@@vegasmike none of us know the motive it could be discrimination, it could not be. We don't know 🤷♂
This is shocking she is a British citizen and she should sue the government, her life is on hold because of this, I hope she gets justice and sort this out
She isn't a British citizen. Didn't you watch the video at all? Her not being a citizen is the problem.
Are you a solicitor by any chance?
She's not. That's the problem. You never watched eh?
Shame she suffered because of her irresponsible mum when you get children the government is not responsible. The parent should make sure that her status match with kids especially on a foreign country. Know the mum passed on. She left her kids to suffer
Her father is British.
That's civil servants ABUSING their power and not applying the rules fairly and without prejudice....
Should have done this to the Islamic immigrants instead of thus girl
@@whitewhite4462how come?
@@hks-lion yesterday 2 football fans in Sweden were shot by a warrior of Allah (perpetrator recorded the video and claimed as warrior ) , a teacher in Paris of Russian chechnya muslim stabbed a random person just because he was angry of Palestine conflict, people don't wanna risk getting migrants inside anymore.
@@whitewhite4462 how many murders are committed by white atheist men each day?
Black axe gang member 😂😂😂 F them freeloaders
'It doesn't make sense' - that sums up the Home Office pretty well. It's time to end this hostile environment and this government that is hostile to all decency.
💯👍
if she had more money or blond hair, she would be better off!
unfortunately it does make sense, she didn't get UK citizenship from her mother, as her mother wasn't a UK citizen at the time of her birth, and her mother and father wasn't married at the time of her birth, so she doesn't get UK citizenship from her father.
The irony is that we have a huge pension time bomb and the easiest and quickest way to fix it is for immigrants to get jobs and start paying taxes. In the UK there just aren't enough babies being born to pay for an ageing population. The government must create the infrastructure so that people can afford to live where the jobs are.
@@johng.1703And her brother? How does that make sense? 🤔
Hi Angela. I'm sorry you're going through this. Please go online and search for a form called "UKF for British citizenship". You can fill out this form to register as a british citizen since your father was British when you were born. The UKF citizenship route is for anyone who falls within this situation:
- You would have become a British citizen (if your parents had been married) if: You were born in the UK on or after 1 January 1983 and your father was a British citizen or settled in the UK at the time of the birth
If this is your situation, then you can send an application to UKVI using the UKF form which you can get online or you can make an online application and submit documents to support your claim.
The application fee is just £80 and the application process lasts 6 months, involving interviews a lot of identity evidence. It also involves biometric capturing.
I hope this helps.
I wish you luck with the process if you are finally able to apply.
Props for the helpful comment, I hope this process works for those born before July 2021 (parents had to have been married) whose father was a british citizen at the time of their birth. I think it's ridiculous that we have different laws on citizenship for people depending on when they were born. We ought to just streamline the law so it applies retroactively and allows those who's parents weren't married at the time of child's birth to still be granted citizenship if at least one parent is a British citizen, y'know.
@@jacovichstabs841 Children born by July 2021 to British fathers should have automatically been British at birth regardless of whether or not the child's parents were married at the time of their birth. The UKF citizenship route covers the period between January 1983 and July 2006.
@@Essorvivace Yeah, I guess I just don't understand why we have this tiered system. Surely the law should apply equally and retroactively. I feel it needs to be streamlined to avoid causing people to have to go through these expensive and time consuming hurdles.
That 1982 amendment to nationality law only says ".......one parent is BC or is settled in the UK". It does not say anything about the parents being married and the description "settled in the UK" needs to be looked at in detail. Also, more information is needed, eg where was the father born or how and when did he get BC, where was the mother born and how and when did she get BC plus the parent(s) immigration status from the time they left their first country to when they got BC.
@@mohabatkhanmalak1161 Thanks, but in Angela's case, the British citizenship status of her father was not in doubt at the time of her birth and I would like to think the UK Home Office must certainly have passed his citizenship application under the kind of scrutiny that would normally involve the kind of research into his background, origin and identity that you have described, before granting him British citizenship. Therefore, that's not left for Angela to deal with. Also, Angela's brother was issued a British passport without issues, having applied just like Angela did and that is because he, like Angela was born in the UK but unlike Angela, must have been born after their mum had gained British citizenship, thus leaving Angela's right to automatic British citizenship by birth in the UK hanging on Angela's father's British citizenship. If Angela was born after their mum had gained British citizenship, she most certainly would have acquired British citizenship at birth through her mum, just like her brother did. But that was not the case. Angela then falls under children born (in or outside of the UK) to British fathers who were not married to their mothers at the time of their birth, between January 1983 and July 2006. These children could not be considered British citizens by descent automatically, due to the UK nationality laws that required their parents to have been legally married before they can have the right to claim British citizenship automatically at birth. Fortunately, the Home Office have, since 2015, now considered these sets of children as British citizens in retrospect (under article 4G of UK nationality laws as amended in April 2015), which has now opened the UKF citizenship route to this category of children, under which Angela falls. The difference between children born within that period whose parents were legally married and those whose parents were not, is that the former were automatically considered British citizens by descent and would therefore be eligible to apply directly for a British passport, while the latter are now being required since 2015 to apply for British citizenship by registration through the UKF route, and pay a token application fee, in order to gain British citizenship before they can apply for a British passport. I hope this helps.
How ridiculous! This country has well and truly lost its way!
It’s better than it was. I dealt with these issues in 1993. Her parents failed. When I was in Japan in the 00s the foreign people whose babies were born there didn’t assume citizenship in either country. Of course every birth requires paperwork. Her parents were negligent.
Oh you think only now it has?
Country was fucked years ago.
O meu filho também nasceu aqui e está na mesma situação 🤦♀️ e disseram que tem que fazer o teste sendo que tida vida estudou aqui tem tudo affff hipocrisia total
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
Too many foreigners working in the home office who do not understand the “British Culture”.
This had me shook. Exact same thing happened to me a decade ago and it's so scary that this is still happening...
Born in England. Lived here my whole life, never stepped foot outside the country.
Both parents were originally from Ghana. One had citizenship at my birth, the other got it later.
The Home Office still said I was stateless when I applied for a passport.
Had to pay thousands to get naturalised; it put us in debt for years.
Very indicative of Britain's attitude to us as a whole.
My heart goes out to you hun 💜
Question. Were you denied Ghanian citizenship, too?
home office are keeping blacks out.
@@tecumseh4095 I've never applied for it. Never been to Ghana either though I'm hoping to change that soon.
@@MrWolff__ We should stay out a build up our original country, see how long they can survive without us black ppl
(Edit) we pay to much to stay here the home office are the biggest Scanners in the world
If one parent had citizenship at your time of birth then I really don’t understand why they made you stateless, but very glad you’ve manage to sort it out.
I really sympathise with her, as someone who has been fighting my case against the home office for over 10 years and recently got successful decision, I really hope her situation gets sorted out soon so she can pursue her dreams and career.
Same here, 8 years, only granted in January, then two weeks after receiving I was already working
@@werdna2602 I’m soo happy for you and glad to hear that you are now working. You can now look forward to the future and don’t look back. Wish you all the best for your future endeavours. 🙏🏿
@@werdna2602that's good. You cannot do anything in this country without legal documents
Thank you, Theresa May, this woman's problems can be laid at your door. Aided and abetted by the plethora of Home Secretaries who've followed her example. 😐
She's fucking British! FFFS!?!
There's no right of appeal? How fucking convenient! 🔥👿🔥
Indeed, never forget what that woman did to many citizens of this country and the world
I did not know it was May who did this. Even if it was her, the blame lies on the entire Conservative Party because of how it's gone from no deal Brexit to Rwanda immigration bill lunacy.
You think the Tory,s give a fig. This is what they wanted. There are not stupid and have created this as part of there long term plan of hate to control divide and rule. I can't tell you how much I detest them.
I would love to see an update on this. The fact an application can fall on an individual's interpretation of the law is terrifying. More so that she doesn't appear to be able to appeal their decision.
What a horrible place the UK has become!
It's what the people want, unfortunately.
Please don't come to Australia
@@Know-Your-Nationwe sent our unwanted ancestors down there eons ago.
@@Know-Your-NationAustralia belongs to the indigenous native Australia.
Two words: Hostile Environment.
Theresa May has a lot to answer for.
It’s been standard Tory policy since Churchill, Labour hasn’t done anything to address when they were in power, they fear losing the white supremacy vote
Conservatives let in 1 million immigrants just last year
@@evolassunglasses4673 and?
Four words - Law of the Land.
It was the law long before Theresa May.
@@MichaelGGarry one word: bollocks
Neither this government nor the Home Office are fit for purpose. Unless that purpose is to divide society for the benefit if their puppeteers.
totally agree
Spot on
Absolutely, this government love seeing people suffer, especially the poorer amongst us, they are vile! 😡
It's not a matter of the HO or the government, it's your legislation. She isn't a citizen, unfortunately.
Anyone who supports even the slightest restriction of immigration is in favour of dividing society.
When I was born neither of my parents where British citizens, my dad not even European but I was allowed a passport because back then it was the law that if you’re born here you’re automatically a citizen. One year after my brother was born they changed the law. Im very thankful my parents where on top of it or this would have been me. It’s so important to make sure your children are properly documented!
Yes, but this doesn't always work, people who've had passports for years and are just trying to renew can end up in similar situations.
If a tourist gives birth in another country the child will get their parents citizenship. So it was a good change.
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
Can we make Suella Braverman stateless?
YES!!!!
Oh please, let the answer include a one way ticket to Rwanda.
🤣😂Yes please!🤣😂😆
@@bernieburrows3731 Yeah, the land of milk and honey?
Send her back to India!!
Braverman, Sunak and Patel families certainly took advantage of our generosity, pulling up the drawbridge and burning the ladders now though. Sick.
A special kind of sick, like sadistic level governing
Immigration is international finance capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in, which is a race to the bottom particularly for the working class. No economy will invest in training or increase pay and conditions if it can just fly in labour. Oligarchs love immigration. Back in the day the Left understood this, even Bernie Sanders was anti immigration.
Conservatives love mass immigration as its cheap labour and future consumers for capitalism. That's why they let 1 million in last year.
Capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in is a race to the bottom, particularly for the working class.
@@The-Anti-ZionistTorys let 1 million in last year. Drags down wages.
@@evolassunglasses4673 the Tories keep wages low like by paying nurses shoddy wages so our nurses move to Australia and we import foreign nurses. Be teachers next. We do need immigration but the Brexit hard right way to go about things is absolutely the wrong way.
This government makes me sick to the stomach.
She looks African to me.
@@jonmould2946- you look Greek to me.
Sounds like incompetence at the home office to me. Don't worry, their union just won them a pay rise. Perhaps that will increase their competence.
@@jonmould2946. What have looks to do with this. Listen to her voice.
Its not just this government, this is a very old policy, it’s just that previously they didn’t go around with megaphones and threatening letters saying go home.
Honestly, the person who rejected her application must be investigated for racism and discriminating behavior.
Oh the race card, well done!
They followed the rules very literally, which are very clear. British nationality rules are incredibly complicated. For certain people born at a certain time or place it only applies if their father, for example, was a citizen. Also Empire citizens (British subjects) could at one point live anywhere in the empire but when rules were changed some of these were either reclassified or deported which made matters very tricky.
Spike Milligan, for example, was one such person. He was born in India in 1918 and was a British Subject until 1960 when they changed the rules and he was refused a British Citizen passport. He became stateless until 1962 when he gained Irish citizenship as his father was Irish, and remained only Irish until his death in 2002 (rules then and now give Irish citizens settled status, an effective direct continuation of the Empire citizen rules).
Nah sounds like a massive mistake due to wrong data...
What if the person was implementing the regulations, also was black would they be racist also. But anyway a bit of common sense from the passport office. Your heart goes out too her.
@Aguyfromthe60s why because it is the truth.
Passport Office had done me the same! Born here in 1988 to parents who had naturalised in the 70s, lived here all my life, been through the full educational system, spent 10 years working for the NHS etc. and they refused to give me a British passport until 2015 because they refused to believe I was a British Citizen... missed out on family trips, lads holidays and allsorts... bare in mind I have a National Insurance card, pay National Insurance and everything lol.
I would advise reaching out to the Home Office as them and the Passport Office do not communicate with each other at all. The Home Office will be the ones to issue you a letter, confirming your nationality, which you need to give to the Passport Office. They also offered my family a full refund of all the money we put in to applications, legal fees etc because they realised how much of a fuck up they made on my case.
Best of luck to you sis!
That was horrible. It's like they don't want us to stay in this country.
Once i got to the national insurance part i couldn’t believe it lmao. Thats crazy bro i hope it works out for you
@@riyadougla539this is nothing new. Sadly there have been many examples of this. The Windrush scandal is a big example.
The cut off for automatic citizenship ended in 1982 during Margaret Thatcher's reign. If you are not ethnically British the burden of proof is on you. Your mother should make sure you get a passport while she is alive. Makes things easier.
What a shambles. I feel so sorry for her. I hope you can follow this up to see if it gets resolved. Has she written to her local MP?
Her local MP (probably Tory), will tell her they are only able to represent Citizens.
Might be worth a try..
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All she needs to do is formally apply for UK citizenship which she will get, and then she can get the passport. Yes it's bullshit but those are the rules and have been for a while. The UK does not have a rule whereby you get citizenship just by being born here.
They don't bother to respond in most instances
The Home Office has been dysfunctional since 2010. The people I know who work there absolutely hate it. It's utterly inhumane and despicable
This is what immigration restriction means in practice. 100% of people to the nearest percent support some significant degree of immigration restriction, even though even the slightest immigration restriction leads to cruelty and economic harm.
@@YorickReturns no, this is not an inevitable consequence of immigration restriction.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Of course, it is. There is no "humane" way to violate freedom. But people want the impossible. If you don't want a "hostile environment", you want de facto open immigration, in which case we might as well have de jure open immigration (which I certainly would want).
@YorickReturns no, "hostile environment" is not a prerequisite for immigration restriction. Either you don't know what it means or you have misunderstood its history
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Someone comes here illegally. What do you want to happen? If you want them to be allowed to stay, de facto there is no immigration restriction.
I want the law to be changed, so there are no immigration restrictions. So I don't have this problem.
Give this lady her passport!! This is shameful!! Home office do the right thing and Apologize!!!
No.
This is a DISGRACE. They are taking advantage of an orphaned person. She needs a good lawyer, please step up.
No she doesn't, she just needs to apply for UK citizenship, which she will get, then she can have a passport. The rules are weird but those are the rules.
@@Kerynasta What makes you think she is entitled to UK citizenship under the current HO rules?
I suggest a lawyer best be in charge of her case, incase they deny her citizenship, claim she is here illegally - and try and deport her.
Its the Law of the LAND! It has been the law for a VERY LONG TIME.
@@jackgillies5638 because she's been here for a long time (assuming she's been here twenty years she's absolutely entitled to citizenship, I thought it was five but apparently it's twenty at worst.) That's the rules.
@@Kerynasta OK fair enough. Be interesting to find out how it goes.
this is shocking. she needs to sue the government under the human rights act!
With what mobey for lawyers? I wish suing was easy the world would be a fairer place
Better still,she should run in the next election against Cruella in her constituency, and boot her out on her a**.... that would be poetic justice. Slogan "you won't let me leave...I made you leave". On Angela's career "break a 🦵".
The government see her as from Malawi though, it’s like as if her parents had a working visa. It’s wrong but legal.
@@GanghisKhanould find someone to do it pro bono! Test case and all that.
@@y_fforddIt's bollocks. If you're born in the UK, you're British. Period!!
Wish Cruella was made stateless.
Me too!! 💯👍
With all that money? No chance, but it would have been funny to have seen her on the first flight to Rwanda, but I would prefer to see zero flights, even if that means suffering her and let’s face it, the white supremacy behind her actions is going nowhere.
Send her to Rwanda.
She needs to see an immigration lawyer. She can apply for citizenship under the 10 year rule applicable to those born in the UK and spent the first 10 years of their life in the UK.
More expense for the British tax payer.
I hate the fact this is happening to people, our Government should be ashamed of themselves and helping people like Angela out instead of doubling down on the xenophobia, bigotry and racism they have festered in this country of the last few years.
It’s ordinary day to day people that are suffering the consequences for the actions and incompetence of others which is scandalous
When we black ppl complain about these things we're told that we have Chip-on Our-Shoulder🤔
@georgecromar4094 you only get called that by bigots and hate goblins, who've got a chip on their shoulder. They're very angry people, and are furious about everything, all of the time. It must be exhausting, which is probably why they're so grumpy.
@@b62boom1 I agree, The whole situation is a mess and we've let hateful people spread this hate for far too long already, it needs to be stopped.
Its the law! Its been the law for DECADES. Peoples ignorance of the law is no defence - this poor woman should have been Malawi, not British, at birth. Not her fault at all, but her mother should have applied for her children at the same time she did for herself. Thats how it works!
My sister was a true blue Tory, moved here at 2 weeks old from Uganda in ‘70, much like Priti Patel or Suella. Last year she went to renew her passport and they refused her and threatened her with deportation. When she called to HO to find out why, they refused to talk to her, and it was up to her white partner to call and then they spoke with any respect to her. They only apologised to her partner and not to her and she managed to sort it out eventually. She’s finally realised that she can’t vote for Tory or any of these right wing parties.
Bunch of racists!
Shame on her. Little coconut 🥥😅
I’m glad she saw the light, it’s a shame it took that, though!
@@pexijsanchezshame on YOU. Don't 'fight' alleged prejudice with prejudice. You are not the arbiter of how people of colour should feel and act. Drop the 'coconut' shit.
How come she was issued a passport before without trouble? The relevant legislative environment hasn't changed
See also the Home Secretary’s Asian parents both born in third countries and who, presumably, have been awarded British Passports.
Reflecting the truly English principle “I’m all right Jack, pull up the drawbridge.”
Yeh as she has travelled abroad she already has a passport, either because she got lucky in her application or her wealthy parents applied for citizenship. Its fucked up.
Suella Braverman's parents are Both Economic Migrants By Her Definition! and would be Deported Today She is a complete Hypocrite And So is the PM whose Parents are The Same Economic Migrants!
Well yes but if they've lived in the UK for 5 years and applied for citizenship then they're entitled to the passports just like anyone else. Them's the rules...
@@Kerynasta at the moment.
Let’s see what the future brings when Sue-Ellen’s Warr-on-Sea “Ultimate Answer” Conference bring forth its propositions for her next illegal bill.
These laws were implemented decades ago, but I guess it's all Tories fault.
Same happened to my older sister and you know what’s crazy is that I was entitled to citizenship and got a passport but my sister applied for a passport and they rejected it, said she’s stateless! She had to prove she’s from uk and grew up here etc! But she’s been voting and had credit in uk. Eventually she passed the citizenship test 🤦🏾♀️ and we went to the ceremony with immigrants it was soo strange because they were all surprised she had a British accent and now she has a passport!
If a tourist gives birth in another country the child will not get citizenship of that country, you get your parents citizenship. So blame your parents.
@@magnusE7 Depends on the country. Not everywhere has the same laws. In the USA for a long time it was as you say, here it wasn't. People get this wrong all the time.
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
@CME77 not true in every country and also not true if you are born on an ocean liner as the child would assume the sovereignty of the nationality of the company that owns the ship
May you find the right advocate and the right ears in the home office to restore fairness in this matter. Keep going and remain resolved.
Disgusting and shameful. There are no other words to describe what the Tories are doing to this country.
How's it Tories fault?
@@leehenry5764 May changed the laws ,as did cameron for their own benefits & shares - may denied implied rights for citizenship when born here
thats why we cover up pregnant migrants " all men " is what the news says - women are taken back to prevent the very thing pulled on ^^ her - the right to live here when born here
This isn't the Tories, its very VERY long standing UK law. Where you are born does not matter at all and never has.
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@@MichaelGGarry It does if your parents already are British citizens, however if they are not, then they can't be British or get a British passport, and neither can your family.
We need a hostile environment for billionaires, aristocrats, royalty and government, and *against any and all attacks on the working class.*
Thinking that myself, your welcomed with open arms if you are rich or exploitable.
The only problem is that it's the billionaires, artistocracts, royalty and government that control everything...
You're*.
Like mass immigration.
Becareful what you wish for...the submarine just happened.
The UK stopped birthright citizenship in the early 80s. I don't think the mom was a UK citizen when this girl was born.
Her father was, but apparently that is not enough.
But if her parents are british doesn't that make her British
They are using law changes to catch people out
You’re right, her mum has to be British at the time you was born or you’re not British and she would have to go through a naturalisation herself.
@@nairobi804 they need to be British at the time she was born.
That examiner needs sacking.
solid bit of journalism, this home office is looking for us to slip up!
Its awful journalism as they do not spend the time explaining the law and just go for the sympathy route.
This is an absolute disgrace and a source of national shame.
It’s an absolute disgrace and source of personal shame that she and her parents FAILED to travel to France in her 28 years that failed to get her papers in order. Everyone regardless should have their passport to the ready!
@@matthewsmith3592 so, basic government structures making dumb mistakes and taking ages to do anything at all is not a total disgrace and a national shame? Just more proofs that this country have a very unhealthy level of tolerance for incompetence.
@@etiennebunbury1285 why the hell would she go to France when she's not French? wtf has France got to do with anything, did you even watch the video?
@@matthewsmith3592 She should never have been denied citizenship in the first place.
I agree. Put her in prison!
I’m so sorry to hear about that. The UK government is really messed up right now and we need change for the system.
We need a Labour government. None of this cruelty would occur like the tories are doing.
@@Themistocles30 Labour is the new Tory.
@@Charles-sg9zu All brexitards say the same 💩 because they are paranoid that if Labour gets in, they will take us in the eu where we do belong with are neighbors. No, Labour are not Tories and you're just talking rubbish.
My father is handicapped and had his benefits scrapped because of Tories and stupid brexiteers that are to blame. Under Labour he would be safe.
Thank you for sharing Angela's story. Hope she gets sorted soon. The hone office needs to get their act together. Surely, someone can see the girl is British and grant her her passport.. Best of luck, Angela , stay strong..🍀🍀🍀
I’m so sorry that this is happening to you. It’s shameful.
It is, so shameful
It was her parents fault for not sorting this out for their children when the mother got her citizenship. When she was born, her mother was not a citizen of the UK. The mother applied for HERSELF only.
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We don’t know the circumstances at the time. Also. Sometimes people make mistakes.
@@Elizabeth-qi5fx I can agree that people make mistakes and we didn't know the parents circumstances, but to blame the system which has been in place since 1982 is wrong. Who is to blame when we don't become familiar with laws and citizen rights? Do you know how many children don't get access to their parents property because the parent didn't write a will or it cannot be found? Aunties/uncles and children fighting for it. People dying with no life insurance. Sometimes we worry about the things are actually not important and are ignorant to the things that are and these things will affect our children/families.
@@janeth3008
It doesn’t have to be either/or
We can be concerned about the woman above in the excerpt and be concerned about the things you mention. The Tories and the vile funk this country is currently in has some people convinced that there isn’t enough compassion to go around. There is. Clearly something has happened to you and I’m sorry for that. I’m sorry that your pain is blinding you to the plight of this young woman. I follow the old sayings 1) be kind and 2) walk a mile in someone else’s moccasins before you judge.
This conversation is completed for me. Bye bye 👋
3:03 it's so arbitrary. Such discrepancies shouldn't be allowed.
Indeed, her brother should have been rejected. Thats the error.
@@MichaelGGarryman, it must be fulfilling to troll comments like this, I'm sure if she was white you would have a lot more to say about it mate
@@heartgenerator4967 WTF? I don't care about the colour of her skin, I am talking about the law of the land. As the father of mixed race children who have gone through all of this across multiple countries myself.
Home office try to reduce the number of UK passport holders due to the system abuse as most non-Uk nations later attend religious demonstrations on the streets and there are hardly any actual Britons left in the country. I see home office being very strict with refugees too. Times have changed that’s how I understand it.
I think racism at work here, my ❤ go out to her.
I think so too! 😏
@@oneoflokis Except that doesn't explain why her brother got it. So maybe it's sexism too? Except that the rules in this case resulted in this outcome precisely because of in-built anti-male sexism, if you note what the spokesman said.
It's always racism, everything is racism.🤷
Tory moved to be closer to ukip because they knew that UKIP was getting stronger so they adopted their policies bringing them intoo the tory party, that media sold labour as the racist party was beyond incredible
Torys let in 1 million in last year
@@evolassunglasses4673we know. The tories celebrate it every opportunity they get. In-between their vile illegal attempts to dehumanise refugees, they remind us how welcoming the uk is and how generous we are.
This isnt the Tories, not the current bunch anyway, its the law of the land.
@@MichaelGGarryThe law of the land isn't handed down by gods it is debated and passed by governments. And which collection of politicians have been providing the government recently if not the festering Tories.
@@evolassunglasses4673You mean 600,000?
The Uk passport office states that any child born after 1982 will take their mothers nationality. Therefore if your mother did not have a British Citizenship when you were born, you won’t be British regardless of whether you were born here.
REALLY since when, I never knew that. I was born into 75 my parents and parents came to England to help fight Hitler from Caribbean built the country up but that was Antigua St John West indies which essentially belonged to Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth. The whole thing is weird
@@lloydfrancis9149 I believe this change came under Margaret Thatcher.
@@lloydfrancis9149 since approximately 1992. I remember it distinctly
The UK is no longer English, but a mixture of fifty shades of brown. What a sad situation, that in the near future the UK culture will disappear. I have visited London and certain neighbourhoods look like 3rd world countries.
No point blaming the home office it’s her mothers fault not going through the right procedure
God bless this lovely lady! I pray that everything she works out for her. Suella should be ashamed of herself ❤❤.
Amazing that a Government can make a citizen stateless just like that. Amnesty International have called the UK governments policies "a cold hearted attack on human rights" how can anyone hear this story and disagree?
Most people don't disagree. The filth who support this scum just don't believe in human rights, because they believe (wrongly) theirs will always be safe.
She never was a citizen, thats the point.
@Brizlebird that's your point. Amnesty's point is that it's a despicable, archane policy fuelled by hateful paranoia from bitterly selfish individuals.
@@Brizlebird Does a uber rich so called business person, from abroad have the same problem? No, wonder why?
@@Brizlebird ohhhh I see, didn't realise as vid started to bore me.
The case is unfortunate. When Angela stated that her mother got her British citizenship when she was 16, the Home Office Treated her like an adult. Probably that’s why the brother got his citizenship. Being born in the UK after the 1980s doesn’t qualify one for British citizenship. With the hostile policies that the Tories have introduced to ‘reduce net migration’ they provide a stupid excuse.
Hopefully Angela get her citizenship soon.
It is actually anyone born in the UK after Dec 1981 does not automatically qualify as a british citizen. Unless the parents are settled with indefinite leave to remain or one of them is a british citizen.
There is a category where this lady can apply for british citizenship, if she brings proof she lived in the UK for ten years or more as a child , for example proof of attendance of a school in the UK.
Even though the fact that her mother has british citizenship should be proof enough.
The British government has been tinkering with the laws regarding citizenship for decades, certainly since the 1960s. Objective is to exclude dark-skinned people. They tightened up regulations for Aussies and Kiwis, and some other whites to appear even-handed.
I don't know precisely where things stand now.
This is not a video i want to see, currently trying to get my British passport and waiting on the home office, and i've been living here for my whole life. but i wasnt born here. had to do the stupid life in the uk test. smfh
Good luck! We’d be lucky to have you! My step mum also had to do that and the whole family collectively couldn’t pass it.
Good luck. Some of us value immigrants and many contribute so much to our society (except for Tory ministers, who ruin our country in most cases).
If it's any consolation, if everyone in the UK was to take a citizenship test at least 90% would fail it miserably. Good luck to you with your passport.
@@Sou1defiler Yeah. And I'm the one here that's trying to get OUT of the UK, not in.
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That’s why it is very important to properly document your children, especially if parents are not native British.
Completely agree with my comment. It is the parent's responsibility. We blame the system but we cannot change rules and regulations of the passport system of each country.
Can we crowd fund some legal advice for this brilliant young lady and get her the break she deserves?
Was thinking the same thing. Please 🙏🏾
Good idea! 👍
Its funny as we used to provide free legal for this before the Tory’s withdrew it… wonder why
Then do it. Let us know where to donate.
Amen 🙏🏼❤️!
This is the most clear cut case of modern fascism weve ever seen. But because the perpetrators are of brown stock (braveman et al) no one is calling it what it is.
Lots of us are. Coonery of the highest level
Literally every single comment is gushing over her BECAUSE shes not British, certainly what we need at the moment more monkeys having passports handed to them, lets all virtue signal how we put foreigners above our own 🤡
They do it to whites too..fact
I was born in the UK and have lived here all my life. There is little about this country that I still recognize. It's a petty, small place who's time has long past. Weak politicians, petty bureaucrats trying to be "little lords" and not an ounce of compassion or common sense. This young woman is British, pure and simple. Someone somewhere needs to work on growing a few more neurons and recognize that fact. This sort of thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
I think so too! 💯👍
well said
Born and grew up in the UK. My wife is a US citizen and the bs we've had to put up with due to our messed up visa application process on top of huge hikes in immigration fees planned make us feel like she's not welcome and by extension I don't feel welcome in my own country.
The change is due to mass immigration.
@@carlpeckett1393 I have experienced a similar thing. My wife is Chinese and we have given up trying to get her allowed into the UK. We have decided to make China our permanent home.
My friend told me be careful he told me about the madness going on so I registered my daughter as soon as she was born did her birth certificate and her passport doesn't matter whether we travel or not this document is important and must have one in hand for entire family and will keep updating I have also kept record of my council tax and keep it upto date with soft copy on my computer and my p60 record of my job don't know when will it be usefull now like this lady in the video is big example of how important is to keep documents in hand and records of out existence in place
This is the definition of systemic violence which people should really try to understand. We talk about crime and violence all the time but I know most people would rather get mugged once than have their citizenship refused on such a BS technicality. Such an incredibly vital part of your life left up to the whims of bureaucrats (probably outsourced) who see you as a number not a human. Many of them have targets for refusals and things like that as well. It's far more violent than most people realise and the stress and trauma can be long lasting. The stress of the visa system and possibly being deported have my wife panic attacks, for example. The system is inhumane by design. It needs to be totally reformed.
Sorry to hear that. We shouldn't have settled in this country.
Contact your local MP to challenge this, this is what helped the Windrush generation over citizenship claims.
Sorry got thimess Angela. I pray that God will sort out your rightful citizenship soon as possible!!! Very sad. God bless you you!!! ❤
Let's petition and save this lady from this horrible gvt!!!!!
Nah. Let's chuck her out for lying
@@dinodinosaur3936😂why you anonymous? Say that in public so we know who you are and you'll loose your bank ACC too.
No.
Write to your local MP and the opposition party (Labour)
Notify the main stream media, try the Guardian newspaper.
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Labour won't touch this. They are scared of the racist red wallies.
The fact is only white British are actually British the rest are immigrants first or second generation no difference
Can she not get the Home Office to find the person who made the decision to refuse her a passport? They should be made responsible for explaining their decision and providing this woman a route to rectify it. Also how is there no appeals process for a denied passport?
Pressure from the liberal and left media will be needed I think..
@@oneoflokis Or anyone with any influence who cares about human rights.
It's not down to what an individual had for breakfast, it's application of the rules as the spokesman explained - yes, in this case it's led to a weird outcome, so there should be some discussion as to how to improve the law.
The passport office can't give someone citizenship. They'll have advised her to naturalise or register with the home office, which she would be eligible to do.
@@Timothy_Jacobs22 but she was born in this country and her mother was settled here.
Probably no longer can trust Labour Party to deal with this situation either since they're keen to keep many Tories policies. It's unfair how the home office has turned a simple application into a unnecessary complicated mess.
Labour now is now to the right of Thatcher and Cameron
Cruella Braverman was born in Britain to refugee parents. Why does she get a UK passport but this lady does not? This is beyond merely unjust.
Absolutely true it oght to be criminal, that's why certain countries end up at war, a beneficiary from refugeeism should not be allowed to impose such a selfish hard spineless wicked and inconsiderate right to limit the futures of the poor, vulnerable and needy in this nation, she has proven totally unsuitable for the position. This nation is going to be resented for many years because Suella Braverman and Pritty Patel. Eda Amine knew what he didn't want, and these 2 politicians are exactly that, to be hated by the needy, method of death so vicious that GOD himself will need to get to work his vengeance upon them for wicked they bistow on the innocently needy, watch her corner!
I was just about to say the same thing.
Her parents may have sorted it out when she was a child, like this woman's parents should've done.
The citizenship status of a child is something that parents should take seriously, and not leave it to chance.
It sounds like you're not familiar enough about the rules of citizenship to know whether the Home Office was actually being discriminatory or unfair to her.
Citizenship rules ARE discriminatory - whether a person is automatically a citizen depends on several factors, including the birth place, citizenship and marital status of the parents, and the birth place and date of the child.
This means that 2 siblings can have different entitlement to citizenship, even if they were only born a year apart. If her brother was born after 2006 and she was born before 2006, different rules would apply to them. The story makes none of this clear - it's vague reporting designed to make people angry, but the Devil is in the detail, and this report gives none of it.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 Okay, people make mistakes. And maybe they were too busy working and surviving, its not her fault. I'm not angry. She seems like a decent person.
because her parents applied for citizenship then was approved
Just because you're born in India, doesn't give you the right to Indian citizenship. Ask Joanna Lumley or Roald Dahl. Same in the UK
Who is advising this Tory government on these issues ,the Proud Boys or other faceless right wing extremists ?
Ukip or reform probably
It's all orchestrated over decades. Labour will continue the decline
The Torys let 1 million in last year. Drags down wages.
@@MarkBritten-i5pTorys let in 1 million last year
This comes from way back, try Winston Churchill
The cruelty is the point, for some insane Tory reason.
Damn all Tories!
Rather than just slag off the Tories for a law made in 1981, why not at least also ask why Labour never corrected it in 13 years in office. Let's see if they take the opportunity shortly coming up.
@Shikuesi because the Tories have been in power for 13 years, and have made everything much worse than Labour ever did. This girl's plight is happening right now. When the Law was made and by who is irrelevant.
Basically, her brother got a deciding officer that wasn't racist and she got the one that was. I should know I was a fraud officer in benefits and I came into contact with some colleagues that, just say we're a little overzealous in dealing with people who had a different skin colour or spoke English with a funny accent. Some DM's were fair but others were not. The fact was all decisions are supposed to be made within the same criteria and decisions like this are not supposed to happen. The reason it does is because of the targets that civil servants are given. The hostile environment isn't just for those on the public side of the counter and not just in the home office department. As others have said here, Theresa May was responsible for making a bad situation an awful lot worse.
There are a considerable number of ethnics working at the receiving end of HMPO therefore this is little more than SWAG on your part.
(Scientific Wild-Arrsed GUESSWORK!)
@@genwoolfe White people also have ethnicities and, therefore, are also "ethnics".
@@genwoolfe It's hardly guesswork I have 42 years of experience within the civil service. Clearly, even an idiot can see in this case that there is a clear discrepancy in the decision-making. Just as in all workplaces, there are people that are racist within the civil service. My other point was about targets being imposed and this leads to poor decisions and fiddling of figures so it's not swag as you call it but years of experience.
She mentioned her mother remarried. It seems the brother was from a different father who may have British and named on his BC or he was born before U.K. banned birthright citizenship. She should just apply as a stateless person as they directed her to.
@@ACCantab No, she said that her father was British there were 12 months between her and her younger brother so they had the same father. What she does mention is that there were older siblings that did have a different father.
This girl is articulate and clearly is a professional, yet we have people who can barely string a sentence in English and have no idea of the British culture ( in some instance actually hate us) who have British passports… mind boggles
This is structural racism at its heart! This is such an unfortunate situation. Keep fighting Angela and excellent reporting Ed!❤✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊✊🏼
So glad that she was able to share this story. Had a similar situation to Angelo and completely get how frustrated, confused and powerless she must feel. Hoping she manages to find a solution
Should arrest her.
Arrest her for what
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
When people with machine hearts and machine minds run this country, this is one of the many injustices they inflict.
I hope she gets resolve, bless her.
I don't know the background, but being born in the UK doesn't automatically make you a citizen.
I feel her pain, I am in a similar situation after applying for my British passport, the HM Passport Office employees unfortunately are often making very unjust and inhumane decisions. The infuriating part is that they refuse to backtrack on wrong decisions, that is a very irresponsible stance to take.
Alll sounds very British to me
@@James-tk9to And racist
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Suella’s doing
@@UndetectedKiIler she is not eligible. The decision is correct. She isn't a British Citizen.
utterly scandalous treatment of a Brit - awful. I hope you get this sorted soon and get a bloody good public apology from the home office
She was not a Brit.
shes a brit despite trash laws@@grahamt5924
I wasn't British either until this year, despite being born here and having lived here my whole life. Had to pay a whole £1000 and pledge allegiance to the King to make official what I already was. When my application was successful, some people congratulated me and I'm here like ???? Hellooo, I'm British, listen to my voice 😭
And I didn't even know I wasn't British until a few years ago. Kinda sucks, because it does feel like discrimination against those who have parents and grandparents as immigrants to make it harder for them, but hey ho c'est la vie
When immigrants settle here, and they don't have citizenship before a child is born, they have to apply for the whole family. What amazes me, and I assume, that you went to school? How was that possible because surely you had a British birth certificate.? How confusing it must have been for you.
@@Ashtarot77No if you were born after 1983 (& before 2000 as the rule get more complex for EU citizens)and your mother (or father if they were married) were living in the UK legally you are automatically a British Citizen. Now getting the home office to acknowledge the law is another thing entirely.
In some countries birth doesn't automatically give nationality if your parents were not born in that country or had no connection to it.
Ffs!!😮
You become the nationality of your mother. If a dog is born in a barn it doesn't makeit a horse
This is utterly heartbreaking.
I agree. Why didn't the news crew call the police to have this criminal arrested?
I find it very strange that I know people from overseas who have come here and got UK citizenship with relatively little trouble and yet I know others who have worked here for decades in vital professions, paid taxes, contributed to the UK in very positive ways but are in a very precarious position.
Could it possibly be that the first group are white and the second group are not?
There's still discrimination with white immigrants to a degree but I agree that the discrimination does lean heavily in that direction.
No, if you've lived in the UK for five years you can apply for citizenship and if you pass the test you will get it. Yes, the test is piffle and a lot of British people would fail it but it's not subject to anyone's opinion, it's a legally defined procedure.
@@Kerynasta the point is someone who was born and grew up here shouldn't have to pay to take a test that most British citizens wouldn't pass just to prove they're British enough to be a citizen.
@@Kerynasta I think you're speaking about the theoretical situation rather than the reality for many people. I know people who have been threatened with deportation after decades of service to this country. It's not just the Windrush scandal, it affects more people than that. Perhaps you're too young to remember when people who had British passports suddenly found they weren't regarded as British any more after the end of the Empire. The most famous example was Spike Milligan who was born in India to a British Army father. He was so angry he applied for Irish citizenship when he was told he could stay British but only if he paid money to the Government.
@@hatjodelka I'm talking about the rules the passport office would have used, so if you want to call that the theoretical situation, sure fine. The point is that the title of the video is inaccurate outrage bait and the real situation as so often is a bit more complicated than that.
Happened to me. The passport staff were all West Africans - Nigeria and Ghana from particular tribal regions with heavy accents that I could understand despite being a bit deaf. Knew applicants who were waved through despite expecting difficulties (name matched tribe region). Others stalled for years despite ticking all the boxes - wrong name. An elderly Pakistani post office chap in East Ham got me sorted. He was brilliantly helpful with lots of experience.
BTW, I'm white British when I complete demography forms. Born UK 1955 during a 2-month stay in Sussex with retired Australian doctor grandfather before back to Nigeria at 6 weeks in 1955. My old passport had expired. They wanted birth, death, marriage certificates going back 2 or 3 generations.
If you were born in the UK in 1955 you simply have to show you were born in the UK, that you are who you say you are and that your parents weren't foreign diplomats to the UK or enemy aliens on the date of your birth. Enemy aliens are potentially citizens of a nation the UK has declared war with that has not been resolved. The UK has not declared war with any nation since 1942.
You just wonder if these staff actually think through what they say as they come across as very ignorant
Sorry, she's not British. She is African. Needs to go back there. Only white people can be British.
Being born in the U.K. doesn’t mean u are a citizen one of your parents must be British citizens to be classed as British however the fact her mother and father are British means she should be entitled unless her mother and father became citizens after she was born then she has to apply in her own right
I'm not surprised at all. The home office is a brutal cold hearted monster. They've no regard to human life. They treated the Windrush generation appallingly & after getting caught they issued a lousy apology.
They just follow the rules. It's not personal
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Rules of discrimination?
@@Stirlingshirecastle They are giving out citizenship, so it is their job to discriminate.
@grahamt5924
Do you hear yourself what you said? So, according to you, It is their job to discriminate against people who were born in this country? Are you implying the home office was right to unfairly treat the Windrush the way they did?
@Stirlingshirecastle Every country discriminates against people over passports. That is their job. Not everyone is entitled to a passport, so most people are discriminated against, as they are not entitled to a UK passport. It is their very reason for existing.
I was born in Zimbabwe to parents who had Zimbwean citizenship. At 27, I was denied citizenship in the country of my birth and had to apply for a British passport because both my parents were born in Britain.
It's exactly the same situation as this lady. I had to leave Zimbabwe. I never heard anyone say I had the right .to stay in Zimbabwe in 2001, just because I was born there.
Section 5 of the Malawian Citizenship Act no. 28 of 1966:
"5. Citizenship by descent
A person born outside Malawi after the 5th day of July, 1966, shall become a citizen of Malawi on the date of his birth if his father or mother is a citizen of Malawi by birth."
Therefore, she isn't stateless.
The Home Office does need to explain the discrepancy between the brother and her applications better, though. It may make things clearer.
Your right.. my take was her parents were either naturalised between their births or married. Otherwise the brothers passport was given in error.
Having first hand experience dealing with the Home Office, it seems whether your application is rejected is completely arbitrary, depending on who takes up your case and how they’re feeling that day. My wife applied for 3 6 month periods of health surcharge refund (she’s a heath worker), all for an identical job role with identical payslip evidence. 2 were accepted and 1 was rejected. Only difference being the officer looking at each application. It’s like playing Russian roulette when making any sort of application.
True
Somebody needs to help her she needs a good lawyer
Whenever some prick tries to tell you that Immigration controls aren't racist, show them this and see what mental gymnastics they have to do to justify that position.
And bet you no Canadian, Australian, New Zealander or American who lives in the UK has ever been at risk of being made stateless in the same way.
Immigration is just capitalism importing an OVER SUPPLY of labour in, which is a race to the bottom particularly for the working class. Oligarchs love immigration.
No economy will invest in training or increase pay and conditions if it can just fly in labour. Back in the day the Left understood this, even Bernie Sanders was anti immigration
Well said
As a German who lived in the UK for a few years I have my own ideas of what's going on. In Germany we have de facto three different styles of bureaucracy because the country wasn't unified before 1871, and until then we had Napoleonic bureaucracy in the south-western states (dating back to the time of French occupation not long after the French revolution), old-fashioned Bavarian bureaucracy (similar to Austrian bureaucracy) in Bavaria, and Prussian bureaucracy (inspired by Napoleon but different) in Prussia. The differences aren't in laws and regulations so much as in the workplace culture.
Only Bavarian bureaucracy is as flexible as British bureaucracy traditionally is. Ultimately, case workers can do whatever they want if they deem it necessary and do not expect to get into trouble for that. The other two bureaucracy styles are far more rigid. You have to follow all the rules pedantically. This used to be completely alien to British bureaucracy, but is now being enforced in large parts of British bureaucracy. However, the UK hasn't created the necessary pressure valves yet. If you enforce the rules rigidly, you also need extremely fine-grained extra rules that collectively cover every possible case that needs an exception. The difference between Prussia and (the German version of) Napoleonic bureaucracy is that Prussian bureaucrats tend to hide the exceptions and only apply them if you explicitly ask for them, whereas in south-western Germany will typically advise you about applicable exceptions unprompted.
British bureaucracy currently seems to be even worse than Prussian bureaucracy, as the necessary regulation of exceptions doesn't even exist yet and those responsible are just pretending it is not required. Do not let them get away with that. That's not what your ancestors won the Second World War for.
Does Germany really give passports to criminal foreigners? Maybe I will go to Germany and break the law so I can get a German passport!
???German history??? How is this relevant in the young lady's case
@@paulinewilliams747 Try not to post drunk.
Being born here doesn’t make you British if your parents are not and haven’t applied for you to be British. Sadly many countries in the world are like this and people are clueless about this
You sound like a lil bit racist, her brother got it so why they refused to give her?? Isn’t that a red flag to you??
True you take your parents status she has to get a immigration lawyer to assist her problem she is doing it on her own cause she feels she was born here .Only solicitors can help her
@@J1991-u6t Deport, asap.
I’m so sorry you have had to go through this. Keep going and do not give up. I’m praying 🙏🏾 that it will all work in your favour.
This is a heartbreaking story. The real story here is that the home office is incompetent beyond repair and must be fired into the sun.
This is total nonsense . What is she to do?. They must fix this problem. Poor young lady.
are you a russian
@diorocks5858 Why would I be russian just because I don't like aspects of the UK government? Most people don't like the government.
@@hobbabobba7912 heartbreaking, ANOTHER IMMIGRANT ILEGAL WHO HAS BEEN CHEATING OUR LAX IMMIGRATION LAWS FOR DECADES
@@beverlytucker9537 the law also has a responsibility to be used with wisdom. And there will be the mechanisms to do so. This decision has no wisdom whatsoever and instead is cruel and discriminatory as well as having been applied very harshly Ona young person who is in no way responsible for her situation, and furthermore has been leading her life with responsibility. I say this as someone who was once the parent of children with different status and knowing exactly how stressful such a situation can be.
Don't blame Britain for this. Blame her mother. SHE put her in this situation. She obviously didn't want to pay the £1,012 registration fee when the girl was under 18, just like the girl herself doesn't want to pay the £1,206 fee now she is over 18. This is not the British Government "making her stateless". Just pay the damned fee!
Clueless coward
@@truthwins8147t’s cold but I can’t deny the old bloke seems to have a point? 🤦🏼♀️
Shes Malawian, not stateless. Inherits from her mum.
Did your mother pay £1012 to register you?
Having had the misfortune to work for the Home Office nothing fails to surprise me when it comes to seeing appalling cases like this! Just absolutely shocking and idiotic. This country really is a cesspit. Ridiculous decisions are made purely on the basis of having the right FIGURES for the government and NOT necessarily on going by the rules relating to specific applications!
Are you sure you worked for the Home Office and or even understand how immigration law works? If you did this case should not be hard to understand. The laws are there for a purpose.
@@SueKim527 oh so do you know the intricacies of Immigration law then? I worked there for a decade and saw managers IGNORE immigration law a multitude of times to produce the figures the government wanted!
@@SueKim527 Keep quiet. You have no understanding of the matter in hand. You likely would not get a job in the Home Office.
@suekim have you ever had to deal with the Home Office? If not, sit down. It's the single most dysfunctional and cruel government department.
@@uchee211 I couldn't agree more. I never worked with worse sexist racists than I did working in the Home Office. What irony! The lovely people who worked there were amazing but the horrid ones were toxic beyond words.
It's the Hostile Environment, not the Fair Environment or the Just Environment. By design it doesn't only affect non citizens. By design it starts from the basis that you are not a citizen, and then makes it hard to change that. It is offensive by design.
Torys love mass immigration and let 1 million in last year
Precisely! Damn all Tories!!
So her mother wasn’t a citizen when she was born here, , she then became a citizen but never claimed it for her daughter, her brother was because of the changes to law about citizenship came into force before he was born.
There’s no discrimination or conspiracy against this lady, just the laws and rules changed, she can apply and get a passport once she’s done so.
The rules are racist. Malawi is a former British colonial possession. The govt should have expected inward migration and prepared itself to deal with various human irregularities, building a system sufficiently flexible not to ruin people's lives or put them to pointless hardship. Nothing and no-one is served by this bureaucratic cul-de-sac.
Hang in there, because it must be a mistake they've made. I had endless wranglings. You'll get there. You need a lawyer urgently.
The UK is not the US. Different citizenship regulations - children born in the US are deemed to be US citizens; children born in the UK need to be born to a UK citizen - her mother was a single, non-UK citizen at the time of her birth. Flip side: my cousin was born in California when my uncle and aunt were still UK citizens; he has both US citizenship, as he was born there, and UK citizenship because he was born to British parents.
We also aren't told if her father's name is on her birth certificate - if not, there would be no proof of paternal citizenship.
The story is incomplete as we aren't told if her brother was born after their mother attained UK citizenship or after her mother married. There may be legitimate reasons why her brother's application was accepted but hers wasn't.
This is the key part of the British Nationality Act which the Home Office is citing, quoting from the wiki page: "Mothers as well as fathers were allowed to pass on British nationality to their (UK born) children. However, until 2006, British parents of children born outside the UK (or in the UK to a non-British mother) had to be married." So the fact that it was her father who was British and not her mother at the time of her birth, and that they weren't married at the time is what underpins the ruling from the Home Office.
Really stupid rule though - as they chose to make the 2006 change, they must have realised the requirement for marriage was antiquated and that the difference between mother and father's rights to pass on citizenship was sexist. Surely if they came to the conclusion that the original rules were wrong then the change should be made retroactively as well for anyone affected by the bad old rules. Obviously this didn't happen which is why Angela has to follow the outdated pre-2006 laws.
If this was the law and system in place at the time of her birth, then when they made her birth certificate it should have been clear that she was not a British citizen and the mother should have been informed of this so that she could at least seek Malawian citizenship for her child. As it stands poor Angela has been stateless her whole life and never knew.
There absolutely should be a way to remedy this because there is no-one in their right mind that would claim that this is the way it should be and that Angela shouldn't be a British citizen. We can all agree the situation is dumb and shouldn't be this way and that the law should change, either to apply the 2006 change retroactively, or to add a new clause that permits citizenship to those children born in this country if they reach a specific age or even adulthood and have never been out of the country.
Having said that, is there a way for Angela to resolve her personal situation without the need for a change to the law? Can she work with the broken system as it currently stands? The Passport Office denied her a passport because she's not a British citizen, okay, on paper that makes sense. So can she now apply for British citizenship officially and then apply for a passport afterwards? Surely there is no reason that the Home Office can deny her citizenship... or am I misunderstanding something here, is the Passport Office the same as those who give citizenship? I wouldn't have thought so because you can be a citizen and not have a passport of course.
Wouldn't pe surprise if they put up other hurdles. Also, there is the modicum 3000 pounds you need to apply for the citizenship.
If you look at British Nationality act if your mother (or father if they were married) were living in the UK legally (its a bit more complex for EU citizens after 2000) you are automatically a British Citizen. Now getting the home office to acknowledge the law is another thing entirely.
Have just seen this and several comments reflect my thoughts. As a teacher I have supported a few students threatened with deportation having a similar history and we went to an appeal court in Croydon. On each occasion our case was supported. Have there been any developments since the posting?
Your basic understanding is correct.
All she needs to do is register herself as a British Citizen and then apply for a Passport.
The video makes no sense to me at all, the Law is clear.
That's all she needs to do.
I do believe she has suffered psychologically which is very cruel actually on the part of the Authorities that have dealt with her.
There seems to be something very sinister and dark about what the Home Office are doing in angela's case !!!
That home office is another institutional racists hub. Most of us knows what situations like this is all about.
Can't be racist if her brother recognised as British. No consistency. My mother aged 73 had to prove she was British for the NHS even born here white worked etc. Work that out!
@@chrisblyth6716
Do you know how much some people have to pay for their residence permit?
@@teknartey5013do you know how much the UK gov spends to house hotels full of foreign rapists in one hotel in juat a 6 week period?
But it’s the law, children that are born in the UK to non-British parents are not British citizens. However, if one of her parents was British at the time she was born, she is British. If the parents became British after she was born, it was the responsibility of the parents to process her citizenship.
Parents never care for the law of UK or any other european country is never a good idea!
A similar thing happened to me. I'm mixed race, my father is British and grandparents on his side, my mum is from a country in Africa. I was born and raised here but because my parents weren't married I wasn't automatically a citizen. There is a process, I used the UK-F form. The law changed in 2006, anyone born in the UK that has at least one parent who is a British Citizen will automatically be a citizen which is good news for those born after 2006 but the path for people pre 2006 is not that clear. As others have said, get a lawyer to help you. It shook me for a while but I'm getting there now mentally and it was all sorted a few years ago luckily. I understand how you're feeling. x