Stargate Atlantis: Project Arcturus | Explained
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- Project Arcturus was an attempt by the Ancients in Atlantis (or Lantean's) to extract vacuum energy from our local spacetime, as opposed to Zero Point Modules (ZPMs), which extracts zero-point energy from an artificially-created region of subspace, much like a universe in a bottle.
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I would love to see a TV show of the Lanteans, and their struggle against the wraith.
This! It would finally be something else than a team exploring planets stuck in the 14th century. They are such a powerful race and a really brilliant idea of the SGU. Their connection with the universes history is one of a kind and truly a master piece!
@@infiniteral2597 They were arrogant and overconfident in their technology. They underestimated their enemy. And payed the price. As much as their struggle against the wraith would be interesting, how would you compress about a hundred years into one show?
The entire Stargate franchise is built on the ruins of their civilisation. A prequel exploring their history and filling in gaps in the series mythology would be excellent.
also a spinoff that explores lanteans after evacuating from atlantis... how they lived on Earth and how they affected our history
Yea. Too bad the show abruptly ends with Atlantis floating in the Pacific and ronin assuming the identity of aquaman
jon williams It hurt... even years later, and the Aquaman sh*t is a gut punch
actually no - Asuran replicators did not have latest Ancient technology. their ships were somewhat weaker then last generation of Ancient ones.
And well - its likely possible to modify hyperspace engine to create a hyperspace/subspace tunnel rather then just moving ship into subspace trough a "portal"... Just different parametres of the multidimensional field McKay talks about when they try to dispose of the gate attacked by Anubis.
(and really - sending an active already supercharged stargate linked by a subspace wormhole, trough a multidimensional field managing transition between real space and subspace is kind of crazy... but as Jonas pointed out - at least risk of hyperspace engine blowing up could be removed... its kind of crazy anyway...)
Stargates just create micro wormhole and send in matterstream trough which is reasembled on te other side, requiring only small quantum of energy as the microwormhole is few particles thick...
well Earth can repair Asgard and Ancient technology too... Replicators too can, but they were limited (supposedly deliberately) in technological level they could achieve by ancients.
they did not perfect any single thing since ancients tried to blast them to smithereens and failed.
jon williams Lmao well said Jon !! 👍 thy totally can do a another series eh ?
@@XavierAncarno Smells fishy to me too.
McKAY: A slight problem. It was the creation of exotic particles in the containment field.
CARTER: He destroyed a solar system.
JEANNIE: Meredith! (She smacks his arm.)
7/8 actually
MCKAY: It was inhabited!
@@vioreldumitrache3880 Uninhabited (Very late I know)
@OVERLORD_CHAOS! I think you miscalculated by adding too much insane amounts of energy.
carter blew up a sun, sounds like they were made for each other lol.
What I never understood,
why the Question:
*“How to make a Z.P.M.“*
never came up ... ?
The Nanite Replicators was bombed into oblivion and they *just* rebuild a planet full of atlantis type cities, including hundreds of Z.P.M. to power them and nobody bothered to hack that data -- or find the a z.p.m. manufacturing plant
Hugo Bolzer The show is all about the difficulty of lacking a powerful power source and you expect the blueprint for ZPMs, the ultimate battery?!
No , i don´t aspect one :-D
i just think that this is could have been an episode
- Atlantis discovered the Replicator Planet ( check )
- E. Weir gets the vision of the total distruction of the Replicators ( check )
- New Episode
- the Team is talking about the Power Problems of Atlantis
- E. Weir mentions her Vision in Detail
- someone asks how they could find so many ZPM in the Pegasus Galaxy
- McKay: "they just build new ones"
- Sheppard : "can we build them too ?"
- McKay anyoid , "NO! we cant ! the Ancients delete that before they left"
- Sheppard but the Replicators still know how
- then a investigation and infiltration part
- McKay hacking the Replicators - copy and deleting shematics
- on the run the Harddrive with the blueprints gets destroyed
- the replicators now have a limited supply and a reason not to put a ZPM on every single ship in the fleet
( the Daedalus always got a "God Mode" with one ZPM )
fragwits
The writers could have made so many things up... super rare materials / ressources ... very special manufacturing conditions ...
the writers never addressed it
McKay was mentioned once, he would made a attemps to recharge a Z. P. M. or a attempt to repair one, but it never it was never addressed how to make new ones.
In the far future the Hologramm McKay mentioned the latest type of Naquada Generator which was finally able to generate enough power for atlantis,
if the future McKay included that in the Hologramm - earth, atlantis and Destiny would never need a Z.P.M. every again. they would have a replenishable powersource
By the way... they also never thought about shipping in - a couple hundred Naquada Generators - to Power each and every important section individually
@@huynhnguyenle5237 The writers could solve it by making the ZPM's inherently time intensive to build in very specific conditions, like cooking right at the edge of a black hole for 2 centuries or something. The replicators could do it, having plenty of time, but not very useful for the humans.
@@HugoBolzer i think the newer reactors might be able to withstand/harness the unstability of naquadriah.
my answer to why the Lanteans never had more ZPMs is that they were supplied by an even more advanced race that created something that would give off the energy signature that the Ancients detected and launched Destiny to investigate.
the Asurans/replicators had all the time to recreate a method for creating ZPMs after the Lanteans left Atlantis. if the ZPMs was just "replicated" using their own material, it would have been attracted to the giant Neutronium blob in the battle of Asuras. But Todd managed to get a few off world.
these even more advanced beings probably re-created the universe after a heat Death. they mastered Dimensional manipulation and probably time as well. they put their entire civilization into a "pocket" dimension and reset the world. over the Eons, they noticed Destiny and made contact. they see that the Ancients are a race with potential and shared their tech(ZPMs). with an energy source of unmatched scale, the Ancients built City Ships and started to rapidly advance their own tech. the plague occured in milky way and they left for Pegasus while resetting life using the device on Dakka. but their Hubris brought about the Wraith.
the alliance broke and the Advanced Beings stopped supplying the ZPMs. and to prevent their legacy from falling into any other races hands... they deployed the Drone Fleet which is the final Antagonist for Destiny show.
I love the fact that there are people that exist in this world that nerd out on a subject like this. Doesnt matter what the subject is, just that they have something they are passionate about.
Infact there are alot of real scientific ideas on the stargates series, the ZPM is as far as the laws of physics is posible, and this zero point energy extraction from our own universe is posible to we just havent discovered at least publicly how, there is a few hard to find inf. That einstein himself and some others was working on a similar to the ZPM but they suddenly stoped,maybe they achieved it mabye not,also the rail gun was showen on this series about 10 years or more before going public,weird but true, sometimes people like the hacker Gary and his claims the the nasa has a seperate program with interstelar ships makes my mind blow,interstelar travel would be more easyer to achieve with a huge power source like a ZPM
*Hypothetical Conversation:
Mckay: I worked on trying to finish the Arcturus Project.
Carter: You blew up an entire solar system!
Mckay: So did you!
Carter: I did it on purpose! You just did it on accident because your ego was too big.
Mckay: I wanted to be a pianist.
Carter: What.....? Never mind.
Being more of a soldier then a scientist , I would say this is a very interesting route to progress as a strategical weapon .Equivalent to thermonuclear warhead , but on a solar system scale.
If you can reliably blow up large portion of a star system , then you can solve at least wraith or replicator type problems .
it doesn't just blow up soler sistems it can also create holes in the space-time continuum
Arcturus was intended as a power source, not a doomsday bomb. It only wound up that way by failure. To use your thermonuclear analogy, the Ancients wanted a fusion reactor but lost control of the reaction, so it turned into a Soviet-style "Tsar Bomba".
Plus, trying to kill your enemy by blowing up whole star systems (and every living thing in them) seems like the very height of psychosis. It's like deliberately nuking every single square inch of Earth just in case there **might** be a bad guy lurking under a rock somewhere. You'll make mortal enemies out of every other intelligent race in the galaxy, not just the Wraith. That's not to mention that, since your enemies the Wraith are also advanced in spacefaring, you'll have a really hard time getting them all with this strategy. Blow up your first few systems and it won't take long for the Wraith to start keeping the bulk of their forces mobile in space, whereabouts unknown.
You should of included the follow up episode were he builds his own vacuum generator.
This feels incomplete.
they should of turned it into a weapon to use on wrath planets, transport a smaller version down and leave very fast
That probably could've worked, too. But the Ancients were just such terrible tacticians, deeply ignorant in the art of war. It's somewhat ironic, if you think about it, the way we venerate the Ancients and strive to be more like them, because were the Ancients back then more like us, I believe they would've defeated them. Despite the Wraith's numeric superiority, in war numbers alone confirm no advantage. The Ancients had the firepower, but they lacked strategy and sound tactics. Basically, the Ancients sucked at combat and had no idea how to conduct war.
That would have been the most madly ingenious, reckless, catastrophically effective, makeshift DIY solution that would have taken place in the SG universe.
@@DestinysComputer that could be why they seeded the next evolution of them with the genetic makeup for war. Same reason they implemented that in the Replicators.
Destiny's Computer
The Ancients were too technological advance that no race ever actually rival them (not even Asgard) for millions of years of existence.
I doubt the Ancient even bother about art of war lol.
james fry
That's a plan for human/wraiths lol. Not Ancients.
Furthermore not all Wraith Hive Ships are in a planet with stargate, and there's too many hive ships to put the bombs there effectively (Genin's Plan) before the Wraith learnt to encounter it.
The dangers of extracting energy from the quantum vacuum isn't a release of hard radiation or an explosion but of a vacuum state decay which would spread indefinitely at the speed of light changing the cosmic constants perhaps to the point where the physical laws no longer allowed matter to exist but I guess everything just disappearing isn't as dramatic as an explosion.
I think that the problem is that they attempted to harness the virtual energy released when virtual particles annihilate each other in the vacuum of deep space. And then turning that virtual energy into real energy, which violates the Conservation of Matter and Energy which states that the total amount of Energy and Matter must remain a constant. That violation forced the Universe to fix the issue by indiscriminately canceling out an equivalent amount of real energy and matter as the amount of virtual energy that they stole, near the place where that energy was created. But yeah, this is a scifi show and explosions are more dramatic.
After reading a few fanfictions I think I would have tried to recharge ZPMs using the reactor essentially using ZPMs as the relief valve instead of the weapon.
mighty fine idea, after all, upon watching the episode, I tend to believe that fancy weapon of theirs just wasn't enough to control the ungodly amount of power that reactor was producing
Zero-Point Modules cannot be recharged. Once all of the energy in its own pocket universe is extracted, game over.
*Holds up a finger* Ah, Five-sixths, but it's not an exact science.
Thank you for that!
Keep up the great work man!
It is also possible that it would have been used to dial the destiny at some point had they won the war
great channel, keep up the good work
Very well explained in a way we all can understand.
Excellent Job!
I think that Atlantis was beyond awesome
Asgard Neutrino-ion reactor which was powered by naquadriah is the best option for power generation. (ZPM is in fact just a battery- the subspace pocket needs to be charged)
the sgc actaully creates the naquada reactor mk. 9 that equals a ZPM
@@kerosoldier not even close... it can provide few minutes of high power - in barely controled overload.
@@Paerigos the story continues in the comics where they do develop the mk. 4 (correcting from the mk. 9)
Just one is powerful enough to potentially power Atlantis on its own.
"ZedPMs" What are ya, Canadian? :)
Yup
it has been established that Hives can be destroyed via s single 1 Gt nuke and that a ZPM contains enough energy to shield against a solar flare thousands of billions greater than that and that there are ~ 120 Hives in the galaxy
so there is no way that the ancients couldn't have energy to destroy thousands upon thousands of hives in an hour, taking energy loses into account
Single GT nuke (from the inside).
His right.
This video is awesome. Please do a video on the Attero device.
Eventually even SGC could have made this work. All they need is an alternate reality drive (Something we know that McKay could build and something he has actually seen schematics for from the Season 5 Episode. Then they create a few automated ships with one of those on, tell it to pop throughout all universes until it finds one that is not inhabited (Which admiteddky could take awhile - though McKay is quoted as saying that the chance of actually finding a galaxy that would be inhabited is actually quite minute, so maybe it would not take that long. Then they simply do what they did in SGA. Send the exotic particles into this other unieverse - and having no problems as you ahve already checked its uninhbaited. There you go. UNLIMITED POWERRR.
A single ZPM could vaporize billions of Hives anyway. It's a plot hole - they should have made it canon that the ancients were at war with the wraith but didn't want to kill them, i.e. depleting hive's weapons without killing the wraith.. etc....
nehorlavazapalka I'm really confused where your pulling all these ridiclous ideas from. A single ZPM could vaporize trillions of hives? How does that work? A wraith hive ship is far superior to a Goa'uld vessel, And yet just several uses of the Antarctic chair system lead to the near complete depletion of a ZPM. The ZPMs are very powerful, but they were never meant to be a curb stomp infinite energy source. They were meant to represent great, but limited power - and how more advance technology drains power far quicker. Now if the use of the Antarctic Chair just a few times, prsirily agents the Goa'uld, is enough to deplete a ZPM, and wraith hives are stronger than a Goa'uld ship, then clearly your wrong about ZPMs meaning the ancient should have simply win the war. Please don't comment on matters you clearly don't fully understand or won't listen to the perfectly good reasons and stories we have been given by the shows throughout the years.
Not likely. And they did actually try that -- tunnel the "waste" into a neighboring universe, but that didn't work out as planned. The problem wasn't that it was spewing radiation over a populated solar system, but that it was dumping exotic matter into subspace that could result in the destruction of that entire universe. How a ZPM actually works, and how it doesn't have the same problem, is not explained anywhere. (nor is how they're built, or the workshop that creates them -- the replicator world certainly had one.)
jfbeam I literally made that point - the Tunnell was extremely dangerous to anything livj g in the otherside and was causing catastrophic damage to that universe - though in paticular the Pegasus Galaxy - but according to Stagrate logic most other universes should not be populated - so who cares if you destroy an unpopulated galaxy if it means unlimited power and all the huge revolutionary advantages that would bring to a society - especially when you think about the horrors that threaten most life in the Stargate Unieverse (E.G Wraith). Personally I'm doubt the destruction if an entire galaxy would be worth unlimited power - but with the technology at the SGCs or Ancients disposal, the technology of Arcturus would be eventually viable and allow and allow for essentially unlimited power. And yes I know ZPMs were never particularly explained beyond 'A contained pocket of subspace from what it extracts Zero Point Energy' because SCIENCE!!! BUT the reason they didn't have the same problem was becuasethe issues of exotic matter particles was apparently only a thing when extracting Zero Point Energy from the actual universe itself... and that's difficult from a contained pocket of subspace... somehow. It's science fiction afterall, t least they tried to incorporate basic science and actual theoretical science unlike other universes - like Star Trek and Star Wars
Hybrid Jack the zpm that was used against anubis was already near depletion. So close in fact firing the ancient chair would deplete it completely. What they needed to do was find the knowledge of how to recharge a zpm. Then they wouldn't have problems as much
Gread job.
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brio man. Viva Quisqueya!
Huh, yet another episode I don't recall seeing; I'm going to have to make a list of these.
.....Just finished watching it. Man, he should have went back and tested the system at 1% power instead of 40-50%. Probably would have still had the same results, but better safe than sorry.
Chup Smith
Or, at the first sign of trouble, shut it down.
Like the video. =)
Can you make one like this about the Attero device (a.k.a. the other abandoned Ancient superweapon)?
I'll put it on the list and hopefully get to it eventually lol.
Ok, thank you. ^^
Well its essentialy enhanced version of Star Wars interdictor... it floods subspace with energy on frequencies interfering with hyperdrives.
Really enjoying your channel mate - Caught this a few days ago and I've spamwatched all your videos about Stargate so far.
Please let me know if there's any interest from someone else. Huge Stargate fan and I'd love to be able to support if possible.
Thanks bud. I just do this as a hobby, though, while on my free time over the weekends. But if you insist, you can support me by continuing to watch my videos :p
I think that was just McKay trying to catch up to Sams feat if blowing up a Sun.
The ancients show have built a massive automated armada programmed to attack and destroy all wraith everywhere.
Another way to vent all that power would be dialing Destiny. With luck it would take all that power to open a stable wormhole for maybe 15 seconds.
Makes you wonder. Given enough time and mastering the Lantean and Asgard databases, and as well what we can also borrow from the Ori tech, G'oauld, Wraith, and Replicators to enhanced earth technologies; I would say that considering humanity's extraordinary talent for war and destruction, we will in the end surpass the Lanteans, Asgard, and all the others together, making The Tauri (Humans) very likely one of the most deadly, dangerous and powerful of all species in the galaxy.
"We come in Peace"...attack us...
"Prepare to die"..."RESISTENCE IS FUTILE!".
I also have to wonder if the willingness to ask for help is what makes terrans different(us)
i forgot that they destroyed the solar system. i was hoping they could return to it one day and use it to recharge their empty ZPM's. yeah sure they were essentially the batteries of Atlantis, but it's better than what they left with.
You cannot recharge them. You need to build new ones (entropy is irreversible)
You should make a video on the Siege ships
I think they should have learnt how to craft ZPMs first. You first learn how to make alkaline batteries before you try to master nuclear fusion with a positive energy balance.
It's like trying to fly (or land) the space shuttle after your very first flight lesson.
It's understandable they never learned how to make them. Imagine if they did... It would basically make the show's antagonists (ie, the Wraith, Replicators, Michael... hell, even the Ori...) completely pointless, when the Atlantis base could just have the shield up at all times, be able to run all areas of the city at full capacity... hell, if it wasn't for the Arcturus solar system being destroyed, they likely could have reverse-engineered the anti-ship weapon and placed copies of it at points around Atlantis, each with their own power source (not to mention having the chair and drones powered at all times).
It would take all the threat out of the series.
The shuttle didn't fly. It fell in style. Also unless an extreme emergency that the crew somehow survived occured would they be able to stick glide the brick. Any other situation the procedure was to hold on and pray or abandon the craft mid fall. Otherwise the computer did everything with minimal input from the crew.
@@BYERE With Amazon now owning SG it will be interesting if they make a new series how they get around the power creep issues SG-1 and SGA developed.
@@gups4963 I'm not really sure I saw any "power creep", any moreso than what was necessary. Can you explain what you mean though please?
@@BYERE IMO the Ori being ascended and the Daedalus class being able to fight it 1 on 1 results in a problem with making new bad guys threatening. Especially with how fast the SGC's tech level kept going up. They went from laughing about space shuttles being earths defense to near ST federation levels of tech in just over a decade. With the Ori clearly putting it all into winning that war, yet still getting wrecked by the end of the series it would be hard to justify demi gods not having access to the tech to win in a 1 on1. Now add another decade of screen, with Atlantis on earth. I'm not saying they wont figure out how to get around that, but I'd assume it will be hard. Though I did hear a rumor involving the part of the unmade mmo story line being used that seems a good possibility. Involving the Furrlings and Goauld
The Forerunners from Halo managed to harness vacuum energy to power nearly every piece of their technology. They were able to circumvent the negative effects of draining local space-time of the energy by simply stealing it from other universes as they came into existence. Unfortunately, the process also killed those universes in the crib.
So ZPM's are just batteries correct? Perhaps single use batteries? To create a ZPM uses as much energy as they later release?
nice vid :3 how about you make one about the Dakara weapon platform?
I'll put it on the list.
Can't want to see it all!
SGA can not be considered canon, the energy source of Dakara's weapon must have been at least as powerful as Arcturus
Why must it? The Dakara 'Weapon' platform was simply an Ancient device used to lay the seeds of life on a single world. Its range was limited to about high orbit (And was only able to strike throughout the galaxy through the stargate network), and all it did was emit a simple field that did some specified job on a molecular level. Whiles no doubt impressive, the Ancients have been known to manipulate things on a molecular level with ease and without a need for exceptional amounts of power, and the Darkara platform was essenitally just an upscaled version of that, actually with far less capabilities (It could not for example reshape things on a molecular level with accuracy, it was just programmed to emit a field that would always result in one effect). Earth at our current techngolgical level can emit certain fields around the Globe, its not an exceptional task.On the herhand Arcturus was a project of the Anciets created 60 + million years after the Dakara weapon platform, which was orginally used by the Ancients when they arrived in the Milky Way to seed life... The idea that the Ancients could not have created more powerful tools in that time is absurd.
It has been clearly stated that the Dakara weapon could wipe out life in the entire galaxy at once (Anubis) or destroy the replicators at once.. and our galaxy is hughe.. and far bigger than Pegasus.
sorry but since the Lantean's had time travel, which they chose not to exploit, I really can't take seriously any other attempts at defense seriously. That one technology, time travel, properly utilized would have made them INVINCIBLE!!!!
3:00 I seriously doubt that this tech would turn the war in the Ancients' favor. As Todd described in a later season, the Ancients were overconfident in their strategic thinking. They would advance too far on a battlefield and allow the Wraith to capture one or more of their ZPMs, which was then used to power the Wraith troop cloning facilities. The Wraith surged their numbers and overwhelmed any advantage the Ancients thought they won through Wraith battle deaths. And that's considering that each ZPM is an enormous but still finite power source. If the Ancients did perfect the Arcturus tech, a truly infinite power source, they might deploy a smaller version of it on all their ships. If the Wraith managed to capture and keep at least one working Arcturus power plant, then it's game over, the Wraith have won.
As Rodney once said, the Achilles heel of Wraith technology is inefficient power generation. It's why their ships have such limited hyperdrive speed and range. With an Arcturus device, the Wraith clone all the troops and grow all the organic hive ships that they want, wipe out the Ancients, the Vanir, and every other threat to their dominance over Pegasus, then they turn the cloning facilities around to mass production of humans for food. If the Wraith can also reverse engineer the tech to some degree, their ships can also be fitted with mini Arcturus devices to cross intergalactic distances and set up Wraith colonies in all the nearest galaxies, bringing human cloning facilities with them. They'd become a plague upon the whole universe in time.
One day, they find preexisting humans while exploring the Milky Way. Another day, maybe thousands of years later, in another galaxy close to ours, the Wraith stumble upon a string of gates left behind by Destiny's seed ships. No preexisting humans in that galaxy, but there are gates here. Most curious...
what season and episode was this from ?
to be honest the wraith became unbeatable because they where able to get their hands on 3 ZPM's , had the wraith gotten arcturus working and under their control , the war would have been over far sooner
Thing that annoyed me about Atlantis is. Atlantis computers should of had an explanation how to make zpms and drones and a facility on Atlantis to make them. I understand for the story they needed to make it that they were hard to come by for story wise but they could of at least made it so the facility was damaged beyond repair or the understanding or materials to repair it was not available.
What annoyed me in Atlantis (and rest of the Stargate series) is how so many times they would come in contact with some sort of technology that they could reverse engineer. For example, puddle jumper's cloaking field. You'd say they could figure out how to build that cloak and implement it in situations they needed it in. Instead they would have to rely on jumper's cloaking generator to cloak entire city.
Or Goa'uld energy weapons. Even after obtaining multiple staff weapons or those small ships with staff cannons. They never built their own energy weapons. Not even for Prometheus. Instead they used pathetic rail guns that never did any significant damage.
There is still soo much hidden tech in Atlantis. Heck when the time dilated Lanteans came back you find out there are parts of the system that even though we had the gene to activate were still not available to use. Somewhere in the whole city ship there's probably a sealed off area that could make both the Drones and the RPM devices. Though with the nature of what a RPM is that might have been better to make them off site on another gate accessible planet.
It's a shame they couldn't use that space time bridge to funnel the exotic particles into a dead zpm...
So John Galt was an ancient?
Depends if it s your solar system...
Three Quarters of a Solar System!
It feels to me like the secondary most important aim of the directors is to find some way to limit the technological advancements of any aliens we may meet. The only reason I can think of for this is that making things look more advanced costs more money. Shame as this limits the sci-fi...
You would think that the ZPM would be rechargeable.
They arent rechargeable as such, but they can be reset, which is functionally identical.
Imagine if they succeed with Atlantis they would rescue destiny in days
[Outsider looking in... Don't shoot the messenger]
not being critical of the series, just an observation.. (everything has call backs to something else.. it's the nature of thing)
Stargate:- Not sure of the title or author.. but classic series of shorts about the development of a space portal system allowing travel throughout the Galaxy.
StarGate:Atlantis :- james Blish - Cities in Space series.
StarGate (later development of the Arcturus Project) :- isaac Asimov :- Whom the Gods would Destroy.
As an aside.. would have loved a cross reality story which involved New Yoprk:New Yoprk travelling back in time and landing near Atlantis with a couple of faulty Spin Dizzies.
I knew that! 🤷♂️👀
Awesome I hoped it worked 😢
The only thing that truly bothered me about all of this was they never asked anyone how to go about making a Zero Point Module as I am sure when they first met the replicators the Ancients had created they would have happily told them how to go about making them.
Its been a while since I've watched the episode where they first contact the Pegasus replicators, but if I remember correctly, McKay actually asks them whether they have ZPMs and whether they had produced them themselves. So Rodney was definitely interested and did ask, and I think if the Atlantis team had remained on friendly terms with the replicators for more than 15 minutes, Rodneys question was supposed to show that they definitely would have discussed it in detail at a later point.
But there wasnt enough time before they turned hostile and you dont just ask an alien species for detailed information about devices with military applications 10 minutes after you met them. So I think the writers anticipated your critique and addressed it in a realistic manner.
I think that this is actually shows that the Ancients had been cut off from the ONLY pocket universe lab where ZPMs were created and this project was reverse engineering/rediscovering accessing Zero point energy all over again from scratch without proper records). It's been more than 5-10 million years since the original pocket universe manufacturing facility was made, so there hasn't been a need to keep records of how to do it in that much time. There wasn't a need to mass manufacture given they last so long and since the Ancients' populations never grew exponentially (actually should've numbered in the trillions if they grew at human reproduction rates). During the war with the Wraith, they probably just pulled out all existing ZPMs as they evacuated and dropped them into other ships or stations rather than make new ones. Project Arcturas was possibly done purposefully once the war was in fully swing and they were losing and they didn't want someone to get to the ZPM manufacturing production lab located in pocket universe (i.e. the Replicators who could read minds). It's even possible the ZPM lab entrance or access WAS located in the Arcturas lab and that's why the Ancients couldn't access nor make new ZPMs because the canon stayed active, along with the exotic radiaation in the facility stayed high for years. They couldn't destroy the canon because there would be no other way to relieve the power otherwise and they knew the Wraith would get blown should they attempt to get to the facility.
OR it's possible the Asuran replicators who couldn't harm the Ancients directly possibly cut off the Ancient access to the pocket dimension so that they'd lose and be eradicated, leaving only the Asuran replicator humanoids and the Wraith (whom they had a plan to eliminate). Project Arcturas was trying to rediscover how to access zero point from scratch since it's also possible that the Asurans deleted all references on HOW to create ZPMs safely as well as how to create or access pocket dimensions. The instability & radiaation of Arcturas is precisely why Rodney said such a device should've been created in a pocket universe and it's energy output tapped via a micro wormhole (cough exactly what a ZPM does). All ZPMs could contain singularities that tap back into the same pocket universe Arcturas power facility and divides up the power to prevent overload in the facility. If all ZPMs communicate with eachother, they could also control the facility remotely to dial up output to 100%. The OTHER method to prevent overload could've been to dial the Destiny (considering dialing it blew an entire Icarus planet in the process, Arcturas clearly has that level output). The crazy part is that had Rodney not destroyed the facility, the Asuran Replicators could've survived the radiaation and used it correctly since they could control flow at super human thinking speeds in realtime.
Shame they couldn't find away to make a either inferior ZPM or partial charge of a dead one to give them some decent power
McKay you had to allow hubris and destroy a solar system!
Probably could have beat the Wraith if they'd ganged up and found their cloning reproduction stuff.
A single wraith ship wasn't a threat one on one with a ancient warship. All they had to do is draw the wraith in with some excuse that would make them send one of their fleets. Get them good and stuck in and blow up the system, repeat as necessary. Sooner or later the wraith would learn sending fleets of warships was just a good way to die.
It was 3/4 of a solar system as McKay days lol
Which episode is this in the SGA??
S02E06 - Trinity
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2/3 of a solar system
"an entire solar system"
more like five sixths of the solar system
To me the ancients/Alterains were horrible tacticians, they didn’t know how to conduct a war, their answer to everything was more advanced technology, expending huge resources in the process, when in-fact they should have committed all their resources into warship production. They thought themselves so morally superior it prohibited them from doing what must be done. Leave the atero device on, regardless of star-gates, pick the wraith of one by one, destroy planets of required, use bio weapons to infect the wraith to extinct them. But they wouldn’t. Because it was barbaric...... the saying “Inter arma enim silent lēgēs” In times of war the law falls silent
Meaning theirs nothing you wouldn’t do to stop your own destruction.
There is so much wrong with your comment. You were not really paying attention to who the ancients were were you? The ancients could win every battle, what does that tell you about their tactics? They had never been pited against anyone more advanced than them, what does that tell you? The reason they abandoned pegasus was because of morality. It's very simple. The wraith were not some sort of relentless enemy hell bent on wiping the ancients out. They were a SPECIES, one that feeds to SURVIVE. They weren't evil. It just so happens that their food is humanoids and other animals. The ancients held life as special. They were, at their core stumped on what to do about the wraith. If they wiped them out it would go against everything they were and stood for as a species themselves. (Much like what they did when they left their home galaxy) They went as far as they were willing to and left the rest to unfold whatever way it would naturally.
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Incorrect !
It was 2 thirds of a solar system :D
The Ori use this energy, their ships have that sistem to obtain energy.
The only reason it works is because the ascended ori know the secrets on how to keep it stable at all time, however the Ancients and the Tau'ri never got help from ascended Ancients, so it was all guess work. The closest the Tau'ri got to a working model was one where it shunted the exotic particles into an alternate universe (which was abandoned because it went to a reality with life)
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I know, still why they dont make ZPM. The replicators made a lot. With asgard tehnology installed of Odisey i think they can scan a Ori ship to know how this work. Also insted of drones why they dont adapt the ancients satelite weapons for Atlantis and Earth ships?
@@cosmindudu6411 there's a few reasons. If you look at ZPMs part of their containment system a crystalline structure. It's likely that these structures were either hard to find in nature or needed very specific construction methods. On top of this it's likely that the devices that could produce these materials were A: destroyed, or B: lost/ never found (not within the span of the show at least). This being said it's also likely the designs were seen several times in the database, but left because it was impossible with Tau'ri technology to build them. As for the weapons imagine being a cave man and being given the designs to build an automated machine gun. You have all of the materials you need but even though you have the designs you can't actually build them. Also you have to understand that the pulse and energy weapons of the Ancients were both incredibly power hungry (Because of their strength) and incredibly big. (Visible on the hull of a 3km starship compared to Tau'ri weapons that are barely visible on the hull of a 150 meter long starship). Size and power differences just made adapting the weapons nearly impossible
@@tomabenas964 you have a point, but they have the schematics, in time can make ZPM or others things, there are some briliant people and the tok'ra who are more smarter than a normal human, also the Asgard core can help them to understand the schematcs, only problem is, when they activate the core Ori can find them, and for that they can activate a temporal dilation field to work in peace.
@@cosmindudu6411 the Ori are dead my dude, and yeah in time they can understand and maybe even built the technology but not yet
Wait, how did he go on to revise the process?
It was in the episode with the other Rodney, he rebuilt the experiment on Atlantis and they sent the harmful radiation to another dimension, but they didn't take into account that the random dimension the energy was sent into was inhabited by sentient life, or that they would be intelligent enough to send someone to their dimension telling them to stop the experiment, because it was destroying that dimension... and they had to drain a ZMP dry just to close it
Then later on the data was stolen/ borrowed by a scientist on earth where he used it to power a cooling system inside a building, in a desert, surrounded by a force field and he used the extra energy to power the force field, so they couldn't turn it off, because it just kept generating more and the cooling system kept dropping the temperature inside the field... so they opened a second bridge and the system shut down, because it wasn't designed to handle the power of two bridges at the same time
I think it was only 3/4 of solar system, not entire one.
It looks more like a futuristic fusion power attempt to me. I was a researcher for new energy too. I didn't find a way to solve our energy problem, but I did made the greatest discovery on Earth though. I found the answer why and how we and everything around us does exist, why there's something rather than nothing.
creo que el equipo de atlantis desperdicio una gran oportunidad en no yevarce más zpm como los espectros ubieran servido mucho y talves para el proyecto icaro y la destino para volver ala tierra y quizá volver
1) ascension 2) use a single thought to wipe out all Wraith 3) you humans are welcome, enjoy your safe lives.
an entire solar system? only five sixth
It blow up entire solar system when it was malfunctioning...
But the gun has no reason to fire at random direction...
Only MaKay can blow up a Solstr System.
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I don't know if I just miss the sand the song it shows or what but the atlanteans are part of you know the Coalition of the four races why didn't they ask for help with the freaking Wraith I mean their problem was numbers not technology and I would think with three other races helping they could have won easily
Bad writing.
I don’t think the alliance started till after they returned to the milky way
How is explained? You juat restated what they said on the show and thats it
Destroy a solar system? Sam Carter beat Rodney to it
2/3 of the solar system!!!
5/6ths but it's not an exact science
thats another accomplishment Mckay can add to the list.....Destroying a solar system...... at least it wasn't ours....
hmmm new scifi concepts.
Well not an entire solar system, three quarters of a solar system th-cam.com/video/UlLVvbSAYD0/w-d-xo.html, skip to 2:55
Didn’t really explain anything that we didn’t already know....🤔
carter blew up a solar system first
Too bad they couldn't use all the power to dial Destiny... Would kill two birds with one stone
I simply get annoyed that McKay does the same things Carter does......but where as Carter gets praised for it, McKay gets ridiculed, and is never truely given his due respect
Carter blows up a star, destroying the ENTIRE solar system........maybe McKay was being ridiculed for only blowing up part of the solar system when he could have blown the entire thing up
the other thing that always annoys me, are the writers of Rodney's character, where, they never allow him to truely and fully grow..........he is in fire fights for how many years? It shouldn't take very long before someone like Rodney can easily see that, THIS is the way life is going to be, i need to man up and grow some balls. There are only a handful of episodes where he is heading into danger with his head up high and ready for battle........he was locked into comic relief.......and i never really liked that part
Difference being that it was the intention of Carter to destroy the solar system in order to take out the entire fleet in one go. Rodney destroyed a powerful weapon, energy research technology and other possible technology that remained in the city ruins on top of the solar system all because his ego.
The notion that he can finish the work the Ancients started is ludicrous he should not even be able to understand the science behind this much less. Heck the science of humanity is nowhere close enough to be able to understand any of the Lantean advance technology let along their most cutting edge research like this weapon. Maccays arrogance resulted in the destruction of an entire solar system and still be is arrogant enough to think he is smart enough to finish this work.
Notions like this is one of those big annoying plot holes that is ever present throughout the show first Carter, then Maccay, and whatever that other arrogant scientist name is in Stagnate Universe.
Though I suppose some people wouldn't like the show if humans were getting their hands on Alteran/Lantean technology and not even having the slightest idea of how they work (and in some cases what they even do) because these technologies are literally tens of millions of years beyond primitive human knowledge/science and understanding.
was not an entire solar system, only 3/4 of one
not more like 5/6?
Arcturus Light it was actually stated as 3\4 in the episode, more than once.
I watched the thing years ago, but almost certain that when Weir was arguing with McKay back at the tower, he corrected her with "its more like 5/6". I laughed myself out of chair. Need to find this part on video (or i'm just dumb). After that others certainly reffered to that as 3/4
Arcturus Light they tried to say he destroyed the entire solar system, he countered with just 3/4.
Yes, you are right! But. Didn't you find the moment with 5/6 funny? I found it (~2mins before the end of episode, watch yourself). And also found it in the script www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=stargate-atlantis&episode=s02e06
Katy Perry Hot and cold
That thing with the weapon firing in all directions making an escape almost impossible shows really lazy writing...
Grammar Nazi here: It's pronounced ARC-tur-us, not arc-TUR-us.
I don't know about you folks, but I think this explanation was rather shitty.
I still don't know how to build one myself.
"Lets test it at 40% just to be safe" How about 0.1% you mook. You've shown zero control over it up till now.
McKay's first attempt blows up a solar system.
Can you imagine how much he'd blow up with a second failure?
Well his second attempt at a modified version of arcturus resulted in almost destroying an entire universe.
@@vadfarkas14 Ah... oops.