You do realize all-star caliber player except Kyrie had a dip of stats when they played with lebron. The only reason Kyrie didn't follow the trend is because he was still improving when lebron got there.
@@Christopher._M AD and Kyrie both blossomed. The reason why Wade's numbers declined was injury. It is the 3rd star who has a decline in numbers for obvious reasons. 2 stars can easily coexist but 3 requires one to sacrifice.
I think thats a take your pick one tbf, AD is def a better scorer and maybe higher ceiling, Dwight is one of the best defenders of all time and more physically dominant, it could go either way really
I'll take prime to wait over a day but you're making the wrong argument look at both of them when they're on the team by themselves ad couldn't even carry his team. One playoff appearance and they got that's beat up. Dwight multiple years in the playoffs was probably the best player in the playoffs and went to the finals and could won that finals
@@jb7604 to be DPOY multiple times, 1st team all nba multiple times, lead his team to the finals , you have no idea what you are talking about. Just say you didn't watch him in his prime , only with the Kobe Lakers and be done with it.
@@Kruppt808 lead his team to the finals? So did the mask for detroit... Thats all he did? He is always injured and lazy and has no passion for the game
@@jb7604 one could argue that it takes MORE passion for the game to do the dirty work that doesn’t get you on the highlight reel. That my friend is called defense. There’s this stigma around Dwight where Kobe talked down on him. And millennials who didn’t watch Orlando Dwight, automatically assumed he was some scrub bc Kobe’s word was gold. Which could further the argument of Kobe vs Lebron. If Lebron could win w a dwight at a shell of himself, why couldn’t Kobe when he was still at his prime.
Its insane Dwight wasnt on the NBA list. As a Magic fan, I love Dwight for what he did during those years in ORL, was so freaking good in playoffs. Im binging this list right now and Im really going to be shocked now if AD made this and not Draymond.
5:54-6:07 Good point. They’re both hanging out in the 80’s and 90’s (moved both back because i can’t read giant spreadsheets easily). The 80’s edge goes to Malone for being a little more impactful in the clutch.
Brav-o nick. Brav-o. So much basketball history and respect for the game and the players giving credit where credit is due. No top 50 has given me such insight into each player to justify their place in history like the work of art you art producing. You would think that you were 16th man on the bench the way you go through a player’s accolades. Looking forward to next week’s continuation.
I grew up in Orlando during the dwight era and went to a bunch of playoff games. Dwight at his peak was just better than AD at his peak. 3 time defensive player of the year and was consistently in the playoffs against Detroit, Boston, and Cleveland and usually top 3 record in the conference. AD does not have something close to that on his resume unless rings mean that much.
Nick is right on AD currently but if we get cpl more years of this years AD he will landslide in wrong direction toward the backend if not completely off 🤯
@@davehua4293 I should have stayed in time as these new players Trae JA. Luka. Donovan. Tatum Ect as they start to become veterans and gain accolades possible Titles MVPs. They could pass by. Same for AD. Though. He stays healthy. I truly thought two were possible after the Bubble chip.
I disagree this year he averaged 23/10/3 on 53% shooting. Even though that’s light work for him.. if he continues to do that much as well as being a top 5-7 defender in the league.. no way you can leave him off.
@@spaceghost4628 well I agree but as u know Klay. And Dwight both left off. Klay 3 x champion. Dwight as u already seen several defensive player of year. I don’t think anyone can say he has hall of fame talent. But so did Ralph Sampson. Bill Walton. Though both had some success. Bill 2 Chips but could have had major stats Ike an AD. Ok not time shall tell
Anthony Davis in 2018 became the second player ever(kareem) to lead the league in blocks per game AND avg 28+ a game, AD also shot 34% from 3 in 2018, if he played in the JV eastern conference at the time he would've won MVP at the time the tim duncan comparisons weren't crazy at all 2020 postseason he also was the greatest #2 guy on a championship team ever, he was doing everything on defense including guarding guys from jokic to jimmy butler while giving you 28 a game one of the most versatile defenders of ALL TIME
A healthy and available AD is what LBJ thought he was getting. We can only hope he gets back and available. Then might be able make a run But I wouldn’t be against a trade either 🤔
he don't have close the same accolades as dwight. and he never got out the first round until he went to the lakers, unlike dwight making it at least to the finals.
Regarding Dwight, a similar case could be made for Shaq, but instead of focusing on his unrealized potential (Kobe said with his work ethic Shaq would've been GOAT), everyone does recognize his accomplishments (4 rings, his dominance, etc.) Why can't we do the same for Dwight?
Definitely!! Shaq went ring chasing especially after Kobe got his 5th. Shaq was good in Miami. But not sure bout there reset of the teams he was hopping in and out of. Thst 93 -2004. I think I’m sure some one may tell me. He was the most dominant player. The Diesel!!⚡️
Dwight Howard is a kind of a weirdo goofball (see that hilarious moment with Stan van gundy) so he doesn’t get the credit he deserves. But the dude was a GREAT player and made the crappy magic into a really good team for a number of years.
I sometimes liked Tim Duncan stoicism, Kobe ferocity and Dwights fun loving goofy nature. 100% of the time of either of them.... no, but I enjoyed watching all 3 compete, but act differently. Thank you Nick for honoring one of my favorite players of the last 20 years. Bogut, Yao, Shaq, LBJ, being the other of my top 5
Rick is right about AD. When he was the man he couldn’t get it done and he has an incomplete resume cause he’s still playing. He doesn’t have the stats compared to others
I think being the best defender and 2nd best offensive player on a championship team that was predicated on its defense is a pretty big deal. And really good bigs without a great distributor often struggle in the playoffs. If you look at the teams where the best player was a power forward or center, the teams that won in playoffs always had at least one really good guard to take care of the ball handling duties. Barkley had Kevin Johnson, Duncan had Parker and ginobili, Hakeem had drexler one year and had a strong group of good point guards in Sam Cassell and Kenny Smith, and obviously Shaq had Kobe.
@@bjensen It does but he doesn’t have much for bodywork in the playoffs besides what he did I would argue that Dwight Howard should be higher than him they should switch places
Nash made a Conference Final with the Mavs in '03, lost to the Spurs (and Steve Kerr) in 6. But Nash helped carry the load for the team with Dirk injured in that series, so that's only another feather in the cap.
he have kareem second, Lebron first and Jordan third. Guy is ridiciouls and fraud, he been exposed go wath youtube video of Nick Wrong. Nick Wright being exposed title of video
Dwight should be above AD. Dwight carried a mediocre team to the finals. AD didn’t do much without an elite guy next to him. If you put peak Dwight with Lebron, Dwight would be a top 25 guy.
Seems weird to throw a break in the middle of the show when it isn't live and it comes right back after a few seconds. I could understand if there was, like, an ad read during this time.
Top ten statistical leaders are better than ones who aren't. If you're on two top ten lists your better than the guard who's only on one list. Longevity is so underrated. Like staying physically and MENTALLY in shape isn't the hardest part. Being great and staying great is the difference between AD and TIm Duncan. Night and day.
Yeah Anthony Davis is the hardest one for me. I'm with Ric. I would have to think. AD is not a #1. That does not disqualify him, but he's not. He's currently injured all the time. I don't know. If AD retired today, do I think he's a Top 50 All Time player? I just don't know. At least with Dwight, I have the longevity argument. And Dwight carried a bad Magic team to the Finals. AD never carried a team that far.
6:09-6:19 i’m sayin’ Moses Malone is seriously overrated. 45 VORP in about 50,000 minutes. That’s a bit better than Tony Parker and nearly identical to Robert Parish.
@Raymond Sims he is talking about luka. he loves luka and expects him to make the finals this year. he will bring up luka's potential and stats up to 22 to justify it. that is why it will be so cntroversial
I don't think Anthony Davis should be up there that close away from the 50 at all. I mean his only Championship was the bubble? You seem to have something against the "PER" when it comes to Nikolai Jokic, but then here you are bringing up these stats, these playoff stats for AD to validate his position in your top 50 all time? Just something that I had to note, because I think it's worth noting.
Suns would have made the Finals if not for the cheap shot by Robert Horry. D’Antioni had the perfect guard in Nash for his system. I know Shaq “poo pos’s Nash’s MVP but he earned those award. Those Suns teams were the precursor to the current Golden State Warriors with the motion offense and ball movement . If Nash played today, he would benefit with the wide open play and 3pt shooting. His numbers would be out the gym.
There’s no way Steve nash was a better player than Gary Peyton. He has 2 fraudulent MVP’s. One should have been Kobe’s the other Brons. He was just flashy on a high pace offense team which the media drools over. 🤦♂️
Yeah I think the finals run alone makes Howard over Anthony Davis. Howard although he is criminally underrated is being underrated by Nick. Anthony Davis although he is a great defensive player was not the player that Howard is and they should switch spots . I think that Howard is a four time call five MVP it’s either three or four. He has multiple rebounding and block titles . Like a three or four defensive player of the year. That’s not even including his all NBA and defensive first teams. He obviously is a better defender and it yes Anthony Davis has a more advanced game and Dwight Howard is nowhere near the Game as far as like shooting in scoring and versatility but he was just as dominant if not more than Anthony Davis in his prime offensively . I think people forget he was basically putting up 20 and 10 with basically no offense of game that’s really impressive. The cherry on top is Anthony Davis never made a finals run or even a conference finals run as the best player in New Orleans even though they had some really good players but Dwight Howard made the finals with an amazing finals run beating LeBron and almost beating the Lakers. I would argue he should probably be in the 30s if not higher
Embiid is in his prime and compare those two statistically and do you think Joel Embiid could take that magic team to the finals? Dwight is all time. I legit typed this out before you asked Demonza hence the edited comment
The dwight omission on the top 75 made me a bit angry tbh and i cant even say i like the guy, but wtf, you would have to not ever watch him to think that
So he is not regarding body of work and consistency very high unfortunately. If the average career of an NBA player is say 13 years, is hard for me to believe that there are no more players that were top 5 for a longer stretch than Dwight or AD. Also we know that we could pick a lot of players to join LeBron and they still win the title. It has to be put into context that AD rested for 5 entire months before putting in those numbers, you cannot just take that away.
AD I would agree has the potential to be over Dwight Howard… but right now I would say Dwight Howard should be over him in this list.. Dwight’s resume over AD is quite apparent, but over time should AD stay healthy and be dominant he’ll be better than Dwight
Nick can compartmentalize, he respects Nash pushing the Suns to Title contenders, no he doesn't like him as a coach, or 1 or 2 undeserved MVP but at least Nash teams were good and won alot.
Anthony Davis won against heat-jimmy butler showed up in the 3rd game by then it was over. Beside the fact it was a bubble championship. The heat would have won without Gary Payton. He was a pitiful ring chaser. Gary would have bragging rights he would have against the bulls.
@@jetsettech8804 Nope. They didn't play the right way. Jimmy Butler should have been aggressive from the start. If you're the underdog you don't lay back. Look 🤔 he's playing now? He learned from that mistake.
@@Joes35 I'm not mentioning them on the same team. I'm making a response to his list and his comments. I just happened to have them in the same paragraph
@@normajeaneason6983 butler matched the workload of lebron for game 5 it took so much out of him he was a no show for game 6 and they got run off the court
Nice using averages for AD doesn’t make any sense, Nick the reason he’s so high all time with those stats is because the all time greats play so long there last handful of seasons destroy there career stats, so of course there are only 10 guys who have averaged 20 and 10, becuase great guys (Shaq for example) had 5 terrible seasons that rank those stats Of course he’s top 10 in playoff scoring, you know who else is top 10 in playoff scoring? Donovan Mitchell (actually top 5) and Luka will be in after this postseason as well, the averages ALWAYS favor the current younger players because they haven’t had there bad seasons yet…
@@jetsettech8804 he is better defender, two way player. To me in top 10 i have only two way players. Ok, Magic and Bird is not great on defense but they good. Thats why i have Hakeem in top 5
I don't get the AD stuff Think he's the most overrated I've ever seen and I've been watching intently since I was 12 in 2000 More of a character thing which I weigh very heavily I admit
Steve nash is definitely one of the most Overrated nba players ever. Those 2 mvps were ridiculous. Smh. Gary Payton are better than him. Also James worthy, Dominique Wilkins, AD and Dwight better
In my Chris Broussard voice," Nick I know You're young, but the eye test says Payton was a better player then Steve Nash. STEVE was a system player incapable of playing any defense, and he was never a top 5 player.
Omg. Davis is just as lazy and injury prone as carmelo and dwight. Why put any of these 3 on the top 50. Its seriously embarrasing to include these guys in top 50. Your list is so flawed. Smh
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The finals run alone puts Dwight over AD. It's a lot easier to put up stats for the Lakers as the second guy next to LeBron.
What
You do realize all-star caliber player except Kyrie had a dip of stats when they played with lebron.
The only reason Kyrie didn't follow the trend is because he was still improving when lebron got there.
@@Christopher._M AD and Kyrie both blossomed.
The reason why Wade's numbers declined was injury.
It is the 3rd star who has a decline in numbers for obvious reasons. 2 stars can easily coexist but 3 requires one to sacrifice.
I think thats a take your pick one tbf, AD is def a better scorer and maybe higher ceiling, Dwight is one of the best defenders of all time and more physically dominant, it could go either way really
I'll take prime to wait over a day but you're making the wrong argument look at both of them when they're on the team by themselves ad couldn't even carry his team. One playoff appearance and they got that's beat up. Dwight multiple years in the playoffs was probably the best player in the playoffs and went to the finals and could won that finals
Nick, you made my day with Dwight
Dwight definitely top 75 but at least he going to Hof
@@jonsnipe5484 him and carmelo were way to lazy to be in top 75. No work ethic no passion for the game. Kobe thought he was a joke with no passion
@@jb7604 to be DPOY multiple times, 1st team all nba multiple times, lead his team to the finals , you have no idea what you are talking about. Just say you didn't watch him in his prime , only with the Kobe Lakers and be done with it.
@@Kruppt808 lead his team to the finals? So did the mask for detroit... Thats all he did? He is always injured and lazy and has no passion for the game
@@jb7604 one could argue that it takes MORE passion for the game to do the dirty work that doesn’t get you on the highlight reel. That my friend is called defense. There’s this stigma around Dwight where Kobe talked down on him. And millennials who didn’t watch Orlando Dwight, automatically assumed he was some scrub bc Kobe’s word was gold. Which could further the argument of Kobe vs Lebron. If Lebron could win w a dwight at a shell of himself, why couldn’t Kobe when he was still at his prime.
I'm 30, but Damonza just made me feel 80. "Well back in my day"..... i remember Dwights prime 😂😂😭😭😭😭👨🏾🦳👨🏾🦳👨🏾🦳👨🏾🦳👨🏾🦳
its nice to hear him give nash flowers
Don't agree with every pick, but this is excellent. Do this for the NFL!
Its insane Dwight wasnt on the NBA list. As a Magic fan, I love Dwight for what he did during those years in ORL, was so freaking good in playoffs.
Im binging this list right now and Im really going to be shocked now if AD made this and not Draymond.
THANK YOU dwight deserves to be on the top 50 and 75!!!!!!!!!! So much disrespect man!!
5:54-6:07 Good point. They’re both hanging out in the 80’s and 90’s (moved both back because i can’t read giant spreadsheets easily). The 80’s edge goes to Malone for being a little more impactful in the clutch.
Brav-o nick. Brav-o. So much basketball history and respect for the game and the players giving credit where credit is due. No top 50 has given me such insight into each player to justify their place in history like the work of art you art producing. You would think that you were 16th man on the bench the way you go through a player’s accolades. Looking forward to next week’s continuation.
Good explanations nick
I grew up in Orlando during the dwight era and went to a bunch of playoff games. Dwight at his peak was just better than AD at his peak. 3 time defensive player of the year and was consistently in the playoffs against Detroit, Boston, and Cleveland and usually top 3 record in the conference. AD does not have something close to that on his resume unless rings mean that much.
Nick is right on AD currently but if we get cpl more years of this years AD he will landslide in wrong direction toward the backend if not completely off 🤯
AD is career 23-10 , multiple All NBA 1st & 2nd team & a championship. It's going to be hard to fall off any list
@@davehua4293 I should have stayed in time as these new players Trae JA. Luka. Donovan. Tatum Ect as they start to become veterans and gain accolades possible Titles MVPs. They could pass by. Same for AD. Though. He stays healthy. I truly thought two were possible after the Bubble chip.
I disagree this year he averaged 23/10/3 on 53% shooting. Even though that’s light work for him.. if he continues to do that much as well as being a top 5-7 defender in the league.. no way you can leave him off.
you cant go down in all time rankings from extra years in the nba, only up.
@@spaceghost4628 well I agree but as u know Klay. And Dwight both left off. Klay 3 x champion. Dwight as u already seen several defensive player of year. I don’t think anyone can say he has hall of fame talent. But so did Ralph Sampson. Bill Walton. Though both had some success. Bill 2 Chips but could have had major stats Ike an AD. Ok not time shall tell
Anthony Davis in 2018 became the second player ever(kareem) to lead the league in blocks per game AND avg 28+ a game, AD also shot 34% from 3 in 2018, if he played in the JV eastern conference at the time he would've won MVP at the time the tim duncan comparisons weren't crazy at all
2020 postseason he also was the greatest #2 guy on a championship team ever, he was doing everything on defense including guarding guys from jokic to jimmy butler while giving you 28 a game one of the most versatile defenders of ALL TIME
A healthy and available AD is what LBJ thought he was getting. We can only hope he gets back and available. Then might be able make a run But I wouldn’t be against a trade either 🤔
he don't have close the same accolades as dwight. and he never got out the first round until he went to the lakers, unlike dwight making it at least to the finals.
@@Nyjeezy the same people vote on those accolades you love the same ones who kept him out bruh
@@Nyjeezy and dame has dwight spot my guy stop that
Regarding Dwight, a similar case could be made for Shaq, but instead of focusing on his unrealized potential (Kobe said with his work ethic Shaq would've been GOAT), everyone does recognize his accomplishments (4 rings, his dominance, etc.) Why can't we do the same for Dwight?
Definitely!! Shaq went ring chasing especially after Kobe got his 5th. Shaq was good in Miami. But not sure bout there reset of the teams he was hopping in and out of. Thst 93 -2004. I think I’m sure some one may tell me. He was the most dominant player. The Diesel!!⚡️
Dwight Howard is a kind of a weirdo goofball (see that hilarious moment with Stan van gundy) so he doesn’t get the credit he deserves. But the dude was a GREAT player and made the crappy magic into a really good team for a number of years.
Ty, post Shaq, Dwight resurrected that franchise.
Since he left it's been trade fodder for the nba teams.
Hedo turkoglu should definitely be on the list nick.
I swear nick makes the most sense
Unlike your comment
Sense
THANK YOU NICK FOR RESPECTING AD 🙌
Totally right having Howard in there for sure
The finals run alone puts Dwight over AD
I sometimes liked Tim Duncan stoicism, Kobe ferocity and Dwights fun loving goofy nature.
100% of the time of either of them.... no, but I enjoyed watching all 3 compete, but act differently.
Thank you Nick for honoring one of my favorite players of the last 20 years. Bogut, Yao, Shaq, LBJ, being the other of my top 5
Got that Wright
I hope the top ten or the top five get individual episodes Nick. They deserve a good 20-30 minute rant
When the top 75 didn't have Dwight I just said ok, I wait for Nick Wright more accurate 50 of the last 50
ppl really forgot how great AD is man
Rick is right about AD. When he was the man he couldn’t get it done and he has an incomplete resume cause he’s still playing. He doesn’t have the stats compared to others
Rick? 🤔
I think being the best defender and 2nd best offensive player on a championship team that was predicated on its defense is a pretty big deal.
And really good bigs without a great distributor often struggle in the playoffs. If you look at the teams where the best player was a power forward or center, the teams that won in playoffs always had at least one really good guard to take care of the ball handling duties. Barkley had Kevin Johnson, Duncan had Parker and ginobili, Hakeem had drexler one year and had a strong group of good point guards in Sam Cassell and Kenny Smith, and obviously Shaq had Kobe.
He played the Warriors. Bron couldn’t even beat the 2018 Warriors lol
@@bjensen It does but he doesn’t have much for bodywork in the playoffs besides what he did I would argue that Dwight Howard should be higher than him they should switch places
He wasn't right about the Kevin Love comparisons though.
The finals run alone puts Dwight over AD
Dwight Howard over Anthony Davis, Dwight was the best player on a NBA Finals team and all other stats
Who would be the other player he said is much higher on his list who didnt make nba 75
Nash made a Conference Final with the Mavs in '03, lost to the Spurs (and Steve Kerr) in 6. But Nash helped carry the load for the team with Dirk injured in that series, so that's only another feather in the cap.
Smart of Nick to start at the back because if he started at the front and people saw Lebron over Jordan, they wouldn't want to bother with the rest.
he have kareem second, Lebron first and Jordan third. Guy is ridiciouls and fraud, he been exposed go wath youtube video of Nick Wrong. Nick Wright being exposed title of video
Dwight should be above AD. Dwight carried a mediocre team to the finals. AD didn’t do much without an elite guy next to him. If you put peak Dwight with Lebron, Dwight would be a top 25 guy.
Nick bring the crazy shirts to FTF on casual Fridays 😂
Houston Rocket Dwight .. is and was so underrated
Seems weird to throw a break in the middle of the show when it isn't live and it comes right back after a few seconds. I could understand if there was, like, an ad read during this time.
How does Rick Bucher have a job?
Big W
I know some people hate on Steve Nash but go watch his games he made the game so easy for his teammate's and the games are so easy to watch
Nick misses some hot takes but this list is 🔥🔥
Jameer Nelson didn’t even play against the Cavs in 2009.
Top ten statistical leaders are better than ones who aren't. If you're on two top ten lists your better than the guard who's only on one list. Longevity is so underrated. Like staying physically and MENTALLY in shape isn't the hardest part. Being great and staying great is the difference between AD and TIm Duncan. Night and day.
AD in the top 75 I can agree. Top 50? No
agreed. he hasn't played enough high lvl basketball. one more good playoff run or 2 more top 5 mvp seasons of 70+ games than maybe.
Love the work you put in. But AD over players like Rodman and James Worthy. Na bro.
Yeah Anthony Davis is the hardest one for me. I'm with Ric. I would have to think. AD is not a #1. That does not disqualify him, but he's not. He's currently injured all the time. I don't know. If AD retired today, do I think he's a Top 50 All Time player? I just don't know. At least with Dwight, I have the longevity argument. And Dwight carried a bad Magic team to the Finals. AD never carried a team that far.
Nick hates Kobe so much Dwight magically won 1 more game in the 09 finals
Lol he goofed on that one for sure
Look I don't disagree with Dwight. But when comparing 1st teams they have to be compared to others in his position.
Prime vs Prime I take GP over Cp3, nash but kidd we have a debate.
The fact that you have AD over Dwight is an insult to your own reputability.
Dwight was good inclusion. AD addition nearly invalidates the list.
No, it's just another person take on a very talented but flawed player.
Dwight being on =good.
AD this high...... I would have put him around Melo
Nash is better too. Of course Bernard King was great too and much higher despite his injury.
Kemp was the best player on that finals team against the Bulls
HOW IS A.D GETTING THIS HYPE.
Somehow you still disrespected Dwight by ranking Luka over him.
How do you have ad on here and not dame…
Anthony Davis playoff resume isnt close to paul pierce's who dropped 40 and put lebron out...but i guess there is no bias
6:09-6:19 i’m sayin’ Moses Malone is seriously overrated. 45 VORP in about 50,000 minutes. That’s a bit better than Tony Parker and nearly identical to Robert Parish.
Besides the Chip Jokic Resume is already better than AD
Nick is gonna have Luka top 20 or somin😂
OMG I couldn't figure it out but it has to be Luka 😂
how tf can he argue that though
@@connorbrennan4631 thats going to be the controversy. he's waiting because he hopes luka makes it past the suns to even further his prop lol
Idk how you put AD ahead of Dwight, Dwight was way better in His prime
Honestly thought Tony Parker was gonna be on this list. I've now given up hope. Duncan Better be close to top 5 then
@Raymond Sims he is talking about luka. he loves luka and expects him to make the finals this year. he will bring up luka's potential and stats up to 22 to justify it. that is why it will be so cntroversial
Well, he made the top 5.
Gary should be higher. For sure. GP anytime over Chris Paul.
I don't think Anthony Davis should be up there that close away from the 50 at all. I mean his only Championship was the bubble? You seem to have something against the "PER" when it comes to Nikolai Jokic, but then here you are bringing up these stats, these playoff stats for AD to validate his position in your top 50 all time? Just something that I had to note, because I think it's worth noting.
Suns would have made the Finals if not for the cheap shot by Robert Horry. D’Antioni had the perfect guard in Nash for his system. I know Shaq “poo pos’s Nash’s MVP but he earned those award. Those Suns teams were the precursor to the current Golden State Warriors with the motion offense and ball movement . If Nash played today, he would benefit with the wide open play and 3pt shooting. His numbers would be out the gym.
AD over Paul Pierce?!?? I STILL can't get pass this one... Melo shoulda been higher and Paul Pierce should be there
There’s no way Steve nash was a better player than Gary Peyton. He has 2 fraudulent MVP’s. One should have been Kobe’s the other Brons. He was just flashy on a high pace offense team which the media drools over. 🤦♂️
Yeah I think the finals run alone makes Howard over Anthony Davis. Howard although he is criminally underrated is being underrated by Nick. Anthony Davis although he is a great defensive player was not the player that Howard is and they should switch spots . I think that Howard is a four time call five MVP it’s either three or four. He has multiple rebounding and block titles . Like a three or four defensive player of the year. That’s not even including his all NBA and defensive first teams. He obviously is a better defender and it yes Anthony Davis has a more advanced game and Dwight Howard is nowhere near the Game as far as like shooting in scoring and versatility but he was just as dominant if not more than Anthony Davis in his prime offensively . I think people forget he was basically putting up 20 and 10 with basically no offense of game that’s really impressive. The cherry on top is Anthony Davis never made a finals run or even a conference finals run as the best player in New Orleans even though they had some really good players but Dwight Howard made the finals with an amazing finals run beating LeBron and almost beating the Lakers. I would argue he should probably be in the 30s if not higher
If Kobe refused to shoot in the 2nd half, why don't we vilify him the way we do Rick Barry? Kobe was paid. Rick wasn't.
1 season is not enough
How can Dwight be the most glaring omission, if there’s somebody else on the list who wasn’t on the top 75 who’s way higher on this list than him?
Prob bc the other person is gonna be a super hot take from Nick and he knows it, while pretty much everyone agrees on Dwight
My question is who is the other person and it better not be Luka Doncic
@@connorbrennan4631 klay if I had to guess
@@elyjahlyons722 pretty sure he said Klay isn't on the list, along with Kyrie, Jokic and Lillard
Embiid is in his prime and compare those two statistically and do you think Joel Embiid could take that magic team to the finals? Dwight is all time. I legit typed this out before you asked Demonza hence the edited comment
Nick used logic
But also his own bias, AD way to high, we all know it but it's ok. His list, his views. Still interesting
The dwight omission on the top 75 made me a bit angry tbh and i cant even say i like the guy, but wtf, you would have to not ever watch him to think that
So he is not regarding body of work and consistency very high unfortunately. If the average career of an NBA player is say 13 years, is hard for me to believe that there are no more players that were top 5 for a longer stretch than Dwight or AD. Also we know that we could pick a lot of players to join LeBron and they still win the title. It has to be put into context that AD rested for 5 entire months before putting in those numbers, you cannot just take that away.
Man I usually always agree with Nick but AD at 42??? Are you nuts?? How can you rank him that high when he is hardly ever available???
Correct love AD and Nick but he's way to high. Not.enough.nba played. He should have been around 48 ish
AD I would agree has the potential to be over Dwight Howard… but right now I would say Dwight Howard should be over him in this list.. Dwight’s resume over AD is quite apparent, but over time should AD stay healthy and be dominant he’ll be better than Dwight
100% correct
I’ve seen you kill Nash for having the two straight MVP’s on First Things First many times. Am I misremembering?
Nick can compartmentalize, he respects Nash pushing the Suns to Title contenders, no he doesn't like him as a coach, or 1 or 2 undeserved MVP but at least Nash teams were good and won alot.
@@Kruppt808 not really sure what your point is. Nick just contradicting what he usually says on First Things First.
"Ric" from Ohio 😂😂😂😂
AD deserves more respect from fans smh
Lakers won in 5 over the magic, not 6. That series was always going to be a lakers victory even if Courtney Lee makes that layup
True. Dwight played as well as he could but Lakers were stacked.
Lakers don’t win chip without Dwight
Anthony Davis won against heat-jimmy butler showed up in the 3rd game by then it was over. Beside the fact it was a bubble championship. The heat would have won without Gary Payton. He was a pitiful ring chaser. Gary would have bragging rights he would have against the bulls.
Let it go. If your team wins, you celebrate the chip. They still had to play basketball.
@@jetsettech8804 Nope. They didn't play the right way. Jimmy Butler should have been aggressive from the start. If you're the underdog you don't lay back. Look 🤔 he's playing now? He learned from that mistake.
Why is Gary Payton and Jimmy butler being mentioned on the same team? They didn’t even play at the same time.
@@Joes35 I'm not mentioning them on the same team. I'm making a response to his list and his comments. I just happened to have them in the same paragraph
@@normajeaneason6983 butler matched the workload of lebron for game 5 it took so much out of him he was a no show for game 6 and they got run off the court
Nice using averages for AD doesn’t make any sense, Nick the reason he’s so high all time with those stats is because the all time greats play so long there last handful of seasons destroy there career stats, so of course there are only 10 guys who have averaged 20 and 10, becuase great guys (Shaq for example) had 5 terrible seasons that rank those stats
Of course he’s top 10 in playoff scoring, you know who else is top 10 in playoff scoring? Donovan Mitchell (actually top 5) and Luka will be in after this postseason as well, the averages ALWAYS favor the current younger players because they haven’t had there bad seasons yet…
Shaq should’ve gotten that first MVP over Nash and I’ll put GP over Nash
Nick Wright >>> Skip Bayless
Nash is miles too low for my mind. Should be closer to top 20 than top 40
Dwight Howard > Anthony Davis
Nash feels extremely low
He is too low he should be in the 30s
@@homeboy7753 fr he literally named so many reasons why Nash should at least be 30-35
Howard > AD
i think y hate the Celtics I hope I am wrong
Gary Payton is for sure a better player than CP3
Eh
Uh, is he?
@@jetsettech8804 he is better defender, two way player. To me in top 10 i have only two way players. Ok, Magic and Bird is not great on defense but they good. Thats why i have Hakeem in top 5
@@markozbunjol625 he's the better defender but CP3 isn't a bad defender. In his prime he was very good, and he's a better offensive player.
@@markozbunjol625 cp3 a 9 time all defensive team including 7 first team appearances. He aint trae young out there getting abused my guy
Lakers beat magic in 5 get it right lil Nicky
Dwight > AD…. AD only success comes after joining lebron the greatest player in the world at the time or atleast top 3….
Anthony Davis????????? REALLY
I don't get the AD stuff
Think he's the most overrated I've ever seen and I've been watching intently since I was 12 in 2000
More of a character thing which I weigh very heavily I admit
Steve nash is definitely one of the most Overrated nba players ever. Those 2 mvps were ridiculous. Smh. Gary Payton are better than him. Also James worthy, Dominique Wilkins, AD and Dwight better
lost in 5 to kobe, just saying nick lol
AD should not be on this list, that guy STINKS
In my Chris Broussard voice," Nick I know You're young, but the eye test says Payton was a better player then Steve Nash. STEVE was a system player incapable of playing any defense, and he was never a top 5 player.
Steve definitely wasn’t a system player he just happened to have his prime In a system
You had me until Nash . He should have zero mvps ! GP and Howard have to be ahead of him!
Omg. Davis is just as lazy and injury prone as carmelo and dwight. Why put any of these 3 on the top 50. Its seriously embarrasing to include these guys in top 50. Your list is so flawed. Smh
This list is pure garbage with horrible arguments