Coming back to this story after SMU just finished the 2023 season in the AP Top 25, was in the AAC championship game, AND is now entering the ACC next year. Guess the turnaround is coming to fruition.
The 30 for 30 Pony Exce$$ is an all time classic "You had schools spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on players and only winning 3 games, now thats a definition of a loser"
You new? They ALL were but smu got caught being sloppy, someone had to be an example and smu wasn’t big enough to dodge that bullet like the other schools, bad take
Yeah those kind of players were rare. Most recruits were lucky to get a 1000 bucks. I know someone in 2013 who was a 4 star recruit. His biggest bag offer was 7 grand
@@baronvonslambert 7,000 compared to what Eric Dickerson was being paid is pocket change. That’s the point he was trying to make. I knew a guy who played basketball a major university he made 2 million during his 4 years.
This scandal did more than kill SMU football for two decades. It killed the entire Southwest Conference, led to the formation of the Big XII and helped cause all the downflow realignment drama issues there.
It didn't kill the Southwest Conference, the big schools purposely killed it in order to gain total control of Houston and DFW recruiting, just look at the SWC schools that were left out of the Big 12
It was nice of Texas A & M to give Eric Dickerson a Trans Am to play for SMU. Lol What did they call the car? The Trans A & M! Would’ve been funnier if they got him a Mustang. 😂
SMU class of '80 here -- I went to one game the whole time I was in school. I probably would have gone to more games but they insisted on playing in Texas Stadium. If they had played on campus I'm sure I'd have cared more about the football team. The school definitely did pay recruits, but they weren't the only school doing it.
I had a professor in college that graduated around the same time you did. She said you could always tell who the football players were because of the flashy cars they drove.
@@patrickhurley240NOOOO, typical cry baby shit. That was a horrible call ..no doubt. However you are assuming SMU would not have moved the ball if not for that play, when the play before they hit a beautiful fade pattern in your joke defense. STOP CRYING
@@djLagwayEnjoyer The ACC won't last much longer. As soon as the first school figures out how to get out of the ACC without it costing a gazillion dollars in penalties, then the ACC will collapse. Florida State, Clemson, Miami all want out. They see how much money the SEC schools get and they want that, but the ultimate goal is to find a home that pays Big Ten money.
@@djLagwayEnjoyerfsu is leaving Clemson will follow suit Acc is dead and it’s because they’re spineless Fsu got screwed by its own conference, espn and the sec
@@anthonymelendez333 don’t blame the sec and espn. Blame Bobby Bowden for being a pussy and not joint the sec when they had the chance. He said himself that he was scared to join the sec and that winning a national championship would be impossible for Florida state. I wish Florida state would join the sec so that way we don’t have to hear their fans bitch anymore
What infuriates me about SMU’s death penalty is that the NCAA punished the hell out of them for buying players but yet they practically gave Penn State a slap on the wrist for covering up a horrific child sex abuse that went on for 13 years if not longer
Sadly the repercussions from what happened to SMU means that we will never seen a team get an even half as severe punishment. Even if they deserve it more like PSU
SMU broke the law then lied about it then did it again then got caught. Did they deserve the death penalty? Dunno. Did Penn State deserve the death penalty for what they did. Ironic that if SMU paid its recruits now, it would not even be looked at as a violation
I'm a Fresno State alumni. I love how when you talk about the WAC being the bottom of the bottom, you're 100% correct. And I like how you show SMU struggling against Fresno at Fresno. Great video!
While payments to players was huge one aspect of SMU’s downfall that doesn’t nearly get enough attention was that several of its players signed contracts with a shady agent named Lloyd Bloom. Bloom, who had connections to organized crime in New York City would threaten players or their families with violence if they tried to back out of their contracts, once that information became public the NCAA said enough is enough.
I was on the ‘80 - ‘83 SMU teams. The ‘82 team was the best. A lot of guys on the team passed a lot of gas and it was due to the grain heavy diet we had
I can't believe there was no mention of the two most famous players to come out of that system. The Pony Express Backfield. One rushed to 2,000 yards in the NFL. (I'm purposely not saying their names).
Why are so many recent comments on here? Well, I can see why because not only SMU finished in AP top 25 but also won the AAC championship so congrats on SMU and coach Rhett Lashlee. I’m glad to click on this video.
It was the Southwest Conference, not Southwestern. There is a Southwestern Athletic Conference, a FCS level Conference, made up of some pretty good HBCU schools. Also, since you recorded this video (which has been a good watch, having grown up in the SWC), SMU is, as of July 2024, going to be in the Atlantic Coast Conference. :) I'll keep an eye open for more of your work.
Because of the TV revenue that is involved in today's game its hard to imagine this happening again. Even a TV blackout like Auburn had in the early 90s seems unlikely.
Ole Miss in 1995 was the last team banned from TV. The NCAA now realizes it is unfair to penalize the teams who don't break the rules by blacking them out alongside the cheaters. The conferences instead hold a violator's TV revenue in escrow when it is given a postseason ban.
Kentucky men's basketball bounced back quickly from its death penalty to continue playing at a high level under Adolph Rupp. Baylor basketball and Penn State football were more deserving of death penalty sanctions in the eras of their heinous violations though their roads to recovery likely would have been quicker than SMU. I wonder if Michigan football might be a candidate for the death penalty based on the sign stealing allegations they face.
I grew up watching SMU at that time. We were in a very small town, mostly catholic. At catechism one week, me and a friend told the teacher we were both planning on going to SMU for college. (I loved their home uniforms, the mustang on the helmet, Dickerson looked cool running or standing still). She told us, that's Southern Methodist, the 2 of you aren't Methodists. ! 😂
Love these sort of videos. As a born and bred Brit who got into football (both NFL and college) through his American wife's interest, these videos provide some history and insight into the various programs and historical events.
Also tried running for Senate in Texas a few years ago but lost big time in the Republican primaries after some homophobic comments during his campaign, which also cost him his broadcasting job
My only issue is that nearly 75 percent of the major 105 NCAA football programs at the time participated in some form of pay for play recruiting strategy to lure their best players but the NCAA chose to make SMU into a hypocritical case study...Extremely unfortunate...
Oddly enough, this was not the first time the NCAA used the "Death Penalty". It was the third time. It had been used a total of five times. 1. The University of Kentucky men's basketball team for the 1952-53 season. 2. The University of Southern Louisiana (Now University of Louisiana at Lafayette.) men's basketball program for the 1973-74 and 1974-75 seasons. 3. The topic of this video. 4. The men's soccer team at Morehouse College, a DII school, for the 2004 and 2005 seasons 5. The men's tennis team at MacMurray College, a D3 school for the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons (Program was permanently killed off from it. MacMurray College was closed for good in 2020)
Didn't Houston get the death penalty as well? I remember back in the day they couldn't even be on national TV.. during the time of Andre Ware and David Kingler, they were like banned from TV... Not even a highlight lol.. I remember just seeing these outrageous scores they used to put up but not a highlight lol
@@manatarmsslaps Houston was on probation. Meaning scholarships were reduced, no bowl games, and no national television. Despite all that, the program was allowed to continue to keep playing. All of the programs I mentioned were forced to suspend operations for their penalties.
@@metalcatgaming7422 yeah I wasn't disputing difference in the schools you mentioned bs Houston. I simply couldn't remember if Houston had gotten the death penalty or not lol.. I was like in the 8th or 9th grade back when I first remember that about Houston hell, I didn't even know what the death penalty was when all this stuff came out about SMU. Hell, never heard of SMU back then . When that stuff happened with them I was even younger lol
@@Dr-Alexander-The-Great The one thing that those had that that SMU didn’t have was a competitive media market that was willing to rat them out to make their careers.
Different times, you could hit the QB way after he through it. Pass interference was not even close to the same thing as today, a lot more contact allowed from the defense to defenseless receivers. If you tried to do a spread style offense like today, your QB would be out for the game by halftime and half of your receivers would be in the hospital. The run game was a lot more effective and consistent because of this, so the clock would be running most of the game, which in turn caused games to be a lot shorter
I sat in the stands and got a sunburn on the left side of my face and legs/arms just to watch my beloved Razorbacks lose 3-7 at home to Mississippi State in the year 2023.
I remember watching that game. Notice how there was no virtually one in the stands? There was a massive winter storm in Texas, and It was 0 degrees with heavy sleet by the end. Impossible playing conditions, that game would have 100 percent been postponed today. Dan Marino was the starting QB for Pitt, btw. If he couldn’t throw the ball in those conditions no one could have.
My band teacher in high school went to SMU during this time, and only got to do marching band 1 year before they got the death penalty. He told me.about how to not get cut the marching band would try to get into as many parades and do as many guest appearances as possible.
E.D. made more 'salary' at SMU than playing in the NFL. His words and he'll never divulge the amount. This factoid is so over-the-top, so brazen, so audacious it boggles the mind. Sadly, the penalty received was the penalty deserved.
You barely squeezed in Craig James at the end of this video - how could you possibly leave out Eric Dickerson? He and Craig James were key to SMU's National Championship and also key to why SMU got the Death Penalty.
I know it's not really relevant here, but I think it's a crime that student athletes receive no compensation for playing football. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, which sells jerseys with player's names on them, their images and likeness in adverts and endless other revenue streams, yet the student athletes receive zero dollars. If they are lucky, they will leave with a degree, if they decide to stick it out the entire 4 years. But most leave for the NFL because they need money. These NCAA sports and colleges are just rife with these scandals and they most likely always will be. It's crazy amounts of money we're talking about, and the pressure to succeed is just as crazy. Thanks for this video. Excellent work.
@@ms.felonystrutter2472Because Penn State is a brand, a huge one at that. The NCAA is blatantly corrupt, they’ll use the DP on lower schools to look good for the media but will completely ignore any problems if it’s a big name school, because money talks.
James Moeser, the guy who took over as Penn State president after Graham Spanier was forced out, actually said in an interview that the NCAA was seriously looking at a four-year death penalty for the Nittany Lions. What kept them from doing it is just how brutal the whole thing was for SMU. As this video pointed out, the Mustangs still haven't recovered, and the NCAA apparently doesn't want to do that to another program (at least a cash-cow media brand like Penn State). I think it's safe to say that if Penn State didn't get it after the Sandusky scandal, it'll simply never be used again.
The best moment was when the Houston Cougars put up 95 points on SMU in 1989. That game was insane. I listened to it on the radio. Every few minutes it was “touchdown!” Being an ultra-aggressive Run and Shoot offense, Houston didn’t have any plays to run out the clock. The entire playbook was meant for scoring. I felt bad for Mustang fans but it was still awesome. The Cougars easily could have scored over 100. Somehow they managed to not score near the end of the game.
Houston had almost 1,000 yards of offense that day. Reminds me of people who play the NCAA Football video game and just try to rack up the most absurd numbers possible and break the game.😂
They finally recovered a few years ago, they have been ranked almost every year the past 3 or 4 years, they're in the teens this season. But before that they hadn't been since this death penalty.
SMU did not go for the win against Arkansas, instead playing to a tie. Penn State, whose only loss that year was to Alabama, was the consensus national champion in 1982. Why? Four All Americans at Penn State (including two that finished in the top ten in the Heisman Trophy voting) to SMU’s one, Penn State played six opponents who went to bowl games (including two in the major bowls) to SMU’s one.
SMU got the death penalty for paying players, yet Penn State didn't see anywhere near the same punishment for harboring and protecting a serial child molester... all the way up to the top of the university. Penn State should not have a football team, even today.
Completely different set of circumstances. The criminal case (Sandusky) has been tried; it's not like PSU and the community at large knew for years and years what was going on. If so, don't you think something would have happened sooner? As in a backlash?? It wasn't until 2011 until the facts came out, and after the investigation, the NCAA realized that there was no lack of institutional control and wound up dropping the sanctions. Because they didn't have a case, or PSU would still be in deep sh!t. SMU continued to press the issue even when approached with "hey, don't do this no more!" It's not like the NCAA went to Penn State in 1999 and told them to keep Sandusky, now an ex coach, off campus. Big difference there.
@@brianhurley3197actually, they DID know for years. Mike McQueary first reported Sandusky's bad behavior in 2001, a decade before the scandal came to light. The university and their beloved JoePa swept it under the rug, and McQueary basically ended up being blacklisted from future coaching jobs.
Excellent video, I didn't know that SMU Won a share of back to back National Championships. Were they forced to vacate their share when the death penalty was imposed? This is the first I ever heard of this national championships
It crazy now days what SMU was doing over 40 years ago is all legal now with NIL. I hope SMU is allowed to hang National Championship banners for there titles back then. Because now days this stuff is all legit to pay players.
So the school paid the players and that's what drove them to drugs. C'mon now that sounds like a stretch. It's unfortunate that they died but 2 players snitching on the school out of spite because they got injured warrants no sympathy or praise. Had they not gotten hurt I'm sure they wouldn't have said a word.
@@kizitokatende412 When they are showing in public how much college players are getting paid(millions)..... pretty open whats happening...lol.... Not even trying to hide it
@@rodneywaugh8535 yea it's with sponsorship and advertisement deals... That's what Name Image and Likeness is. Not straight up handing cash to the players for nothing lmfao
@@rodneywaugh8535Yeah I never liked that they are getting paid to go to college, I get that the Universities make a tremendous amount of money for the games but it seemed wrong to me. There's plenty of time for that in the NFL years later. Call me old fashion but just my opinion.
the 'woe is me, you picked on us" attitude is so tired. they had multiple, multiple warnings and their response was a finger & they continued.. zero sympathy here. but that's what people do now: break the law then cry foul for reason X.
Not only did SMU help destroy the SWC, so did Texas and Texas A&M. The SWC champion, I believe for the last eight years of the conference's existence did not win the Cotton Bowl. Texas was beaten by Georgia, A&M by FSU, UCLA and Notre Dame twice. I remember that the SWC champion did not win the Cotton Bowl for many years in a row. And thus the SWC went away. No prestige.
SMU is back now, it's been a long journey and a hard fought battle but the Mustangs are back. I always thought the NCAA was too hard on them by giving them the death penalty. No bowls and TV for a couple of years is enough.
SMU would be perfectly legal today even in that time Florida State University was just as bad. Let’s also not forget the amount of violations Clemson University had during that same time that was just slightly less than SMU’s
@@melroze What happened after the rapes in the athletic dorms or how about Joe Mixon’s slap on the wrist after knocking out the young woman on camera? The Norman police dept was complicit with OU in keeping the Mixon video out of public view for 2-years. And Mixon continued to play for your beloved Sooners.
@@texasron9131I can't remember to much but I think she assaulted him. He was suspended pending. Out come of court. This he got to play because she slapped him first. Wasn't it by a ATM.
Sorry we just flipped your QB SMU 😔. Kelon Russel. Roll Tide 🌊. Y'all definitely had something special with kelon Russel, he's a special talent. Glad he flipped to us.
Uh, when you first mentioned Bill Clements, you showed Mark White, the man who beat Bill Clements in the 1982 election. Clements came back to win against White in 1986. Clements's second term has been described as his revenge on Texas for not reelecting him in '82.
I a lifer.....historian Cowboys fan in Philthy sawca team playing on America's Field, Texas Stadium and cool uniforms...hell they lined up in the Flex at times....so I rooted for them. Honestly, never followed them after being taken off tv. Watching this was educarional, but do this video with such disdain and NOT a video about Sandusky and Penn State? Examibe the book "Underneath The Tarnished Dome" svum bag Lou Holtz? What is the axe to grind?
looking back on this yeah it does come off as kind of rash, but completely agree this was just a standard scandal with some unfortunate unseen consequences in regards to the couple players it screwed, the penn state stuff was just straight up evil. have not read that though will give it a read
Did you see the movie "Blue Chips"? That schitt was real. Instead of straight cash the schools were giving the families tangibles like jobs. Vehicles. Places to live. Do you really think schools wasn't doing things in the old days when it was hard to trace?
Pony Excess was the best 30 for 30 ESPN college football doc not named The U. I mean, both of the coaches who were behind it (one who actually was in the doc) are dead now! And now SMU has officially won their league finishing as a top 25 team and are worthy, in today's stupid realignment era, of being in a Power 4 conference. Time, it's circular.
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Coming back to this story after SMU just finished the 2023 season in the AP Top 25, was in the AAC championship game, AND is now entering the ACC next year. Guess the turnaround is coming to fruition.
What a redemption arc!
Only took 30 years
Too bad the ACC won’t be around much longer
@@beavsfan1I was literally about to say basically making a lateral move.
The ACC is currently being dissolved as i'm writing and you're reading this!
The 30 for 30 Pony Exce$$ is an all time classic
"You had schools spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on players and only winning 3 games, now thats a definition of a loser"
The great Norm Hitzges with that genius line during the documentary
Now that’s Miami lol
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Southwest Conference.. come on man
I agree a very good topic .
Trailblazers in recruiting strategy. They were doing NIL 40 years before the concept existed.
They could have had a few people knocked off and still not be dirtier than the NCAA.
You new? They ALL were but smu got caught being sloppy, someone had to be an example and smu wasn’t big enough to dodge that bullet like the other schools, bad take
Didn’t Eric Dickerson say that when he went to the NFL he basically took a pay cut?
yup
Yeah those kind of players were rare. Most recruits were lucky to get a 1000 bucks. I know someone in 2013 who was a 4 star recruit. His biggest bag offer was 7 grand
@@baronvonslambert It said 7 figures.
@@baronvonslambert 7,000 compared to what Eric Dickerson was being paid is pocket change. That’s the point he was trying to make. I knew a guy who played basketball a major university he made 2 million during his 4 years.
@@YOSSARIAN313 you just proved the big point here your friend was getting paid before it was legally acceptable 😂
This scandal did more than kill SMU football for two decades. It killed the entire Southwest Conference, led to the formation of the Big XII and helped cause all the downflow realignment drama issues there.
It didn't kill the Southwest Conference, the big schools purposely killed it in order to gain total control of Houston and DFW recruiting, just look at the SWC schools that were left out of the Big 12
That and Arkansas leaving to join the SEC.
NCAA: “You are banned from postseason play for the 1981-82 season for recruiting violations.”
SMU: “I’LL FUCKIN’ DO IT AGAIN!!!”
😆🤣😂
It was nice of Texas A & M to give Eric Dickerson a Trans Am to play for SMU. Lol What did they call the car? The Trans A & M! Would’ve been funnier if they got him a Mustang. 😂
"THE DEMONS TOLD ME TO!!" 🤣🤣
😅😂😅😂
SMU class of '80 here -- I went to one game the whole time I was in school. I probably would have gone to more games but they insisted on playing in Texas Stadium. If they had played on campus I'm sure I'd have cared more about the football team. The school definitely did pay recruits, but they weren't the only school doing it.
I had a professor in college that graduated around the same time you did. She said you could always tell who the football players were because of the flashy cars they drove.
SMU football program was NIL before NIL in the 80s
I wonder if Sherwood Blount comes back out, now that NIL is a thing.
SMU won the 1982 Southwest Conference title thanks to an unbelievably terrible pass interference call vs Arkansas.
Great memory, Bill. We should’ve won that year. Woo pig sooie
@@patrickhurley240 "oops"
Dude, it was a horrible call but was that 4th down?? You are assuming they would not have moved the ball if not for that play......stop crying.
@@patrickhurley240NOOOO, typical cry baby shit. That was a horrible call ..no doubt. However you are assuming SMU would not have moved the ball if not for that play, when the play before they hit a beautiful fade pattern in your joke defense. STOP CRYING
If your going to cry come over and water 💧 my lawn.
Glad to see SMU just won the American Athletic Conference and will become a Power 4 school next year by joining the ACC
acc IS BEING DISSOLVED.
@@gailjones9155no it’s not. The Pac12 is being dissolved buddy
@@djLagwayEnjoyer The ACC won't last much longer. As soon as the first school figures out how to get out of the ACC without it costing a gazillion dollars in penalties, then the ACC will collapse. Florida State, Clemson, Miami all want out. They see how much money the SEC schools get and they want that, but the ultimate goal is to find a home that pays Big Ten money.
@@djLagwayEnjoyerfsu is leaving Clemson will follow suit
Acc is dead and it’s because they’re spineless
Fsu got screwed by its own conference, espn and the sec
@@anthonymelendez333 don’t blame the sec and espn. Blame Bobby Bowden for being a pussy and not joint the sec when they had the chance. He said himself that he was scared to join the sec and that winning a national championship would be impossible for Florida state. I wish Florida state would join the sec so that way we don’t have to hear their fans bitch anymore
What infuriates me about SMU’s death penalty is that the NCAA punished the hell out of them for buying players but yet they practically gave Penn State a slap on the wrist for covering up a horrific child sex abuse that went on for 13 years if not longer
I was just thinking that while watching this
That’s because the NCAA loves to diddle kids too
Sadly the repercussions from what happened to SMU means that we will never seen a team get an even half as severe punishment. Even if they deserve it more like PSU
SMU broke the law then lied about it then did it again then got caught. Did they deserve the death penalty? Dunno. Did Penn State deserve the death penalty for what they did. Ironic that if SMU paid its recruits now, it would not even be looked at as a violation
SMU probably saved Penn State from recieving the Death Penalty. @Jimbo55151
Killing the Southwest Conference was pretty much a death penalty for all the Houston and DFW universities
I'm a Fresno State alumni. I love how when you talk about the WAC being the bottom of the bottom, you're 100% correct. And I like how you show SMU struggling against Fresno at Fresno. Great video!
can't believe i didn't get recommended these two uploads
we're back boys
For perspective, the $20 given to a kid in 1980 is worth about $80 in 2023.
Even then I can't imagine $20 influencing anybody for such an important decision...
@@tomservo56954 as they used to say in ancient times "20 bucks is 20 bucks"
I can't believe how young Dale Hansen was in that clip. It's awesome that he's been breaking stories for so long.
There's always been something about that bastard I don't like.
@@weirdbeard63seems like he was a big weasel
While payments to players was huge one aspect of SMU’s downfall that doesn’t nearly get enough attention was that several of its players signed contracts with a shady agent named Lloyd Bloom. Bloom, who had connections to organized crime in New York City would threaten players or their families with violence if they tried to back out of their contracts, once that information became public the NCAA said enough is enough.
I was on the ‘80 - ‘83 SMU teams. The ‘82 team was the best.
A lot of guys on the team passed a lot of gas and it was due to the grain heavy diet we had
yo ahh did NOT play there 🗣️
Wrong.
Watch your tone when you address me, too.
@@johndor7890What position?
Right tackle. Started in ‘82 and ‘83.
@@johndor7890lies
Nobody stop this video until it's completely over.
😂😂😂
I can't believe there was no mention of the two most famous players to come out of that system. The Pony Express Backfield. One rushed to 2,000 yards in the NFL. (I'm purposely not saying their names).
Why are so many recent comments on here? Well, I can see why because not only SMU finished in AP top 25 but also won the AAC championship so congrats on SMU and coach Rhett Lashlee. I’m glad to click on this video.
@HimSb-vz6he I was going to edit that but I forgot to. lol. Thanks for the mistake
It was the Southwest Conference, not Southwestern. There is a Southwestern Athletic Conference, a FCS level Conference, made up of some pretty good HBCU schools. Also, since you recorded this video (which has been a good watch, having grown up in the SWC), SMU is, as of July 2024, going to be in the Atlantic Coast Conference. :) I'll keep an eye open for more of your work.
yeah in hindsight i realized i was just talking about the SWAC, thank you though hope you stick around!
SMU stood for Slush Money Unlimited.
Because of the TV revenue that is involved in today's game its hard to imagine this happening again. Even a TV blackout like Auburn had in the early 90s seems unlikely.
Ole Miss in 1995 was the last team banned from TV. The NCAA now realizes it is unfair to penalize the teams who don't break the rules by blacking them out alongside the cheaters. The conferences instead hold a violator's TV revenue in escrow when it is given a postseason ban.
I think when lebron had a hummer in high school people just started accepting it
Glad to have you back (again)
Just discovered your channel. Love it. Thank you for your work.
We back in the power conferences now baby!
The ACC is about to implode so, not really
@@ByarsDesign see you in ten years :)
Are you dumb? @@ByarsDesign
@@rangersking6699lol in the Big 12?
Blue Mountain State got it pretty bad too
Kentucky men's basketball bounced back quickly from its death penalty to continue playing at a high level under Adolph Rupp. Baylor basketball and Penn State football were more deserving of death penalty sanctions in the eras of their heinous violations though their roads to recovery likely would have been quicker than SMU. I wonder if Michigan football might be a candidate for the death penalty based on the sign stealing allegations they face.
I grew up watching SMU at that time. We were in a very small town, mostly catholic. At catechism one week, me and a friend told the teacher we were both planning on going to SMU for college. (I loved their home uniforms, the mustang on the helmet, Dickerson looked cool running or standing still). She told us, that's Southern Methodist, the 2 of you aren't Methodists. ! 😂
Love these sort of videos. As a born and bred Brit who got into football (both NFL and college) through his American wife's interest, these videos provide some history and insight into the various programs and historical events.
Wait, Craig James did WHAT?
Became a sub-mediocre broadcaster who got Mike Leach fired from Texas Tech.
@@davidcochran113his son Adam was not only a chicken but a brat as well
It is rumored that he killed 5 hookers while he played (illegally at that lol) at SMU
Also tried running for Senate in Texas a few years ago but lost big time in the Republican primaries after some homophobic comments during his campaign, which also cost him his broadcasting job
@@bigbearkat2010 I heard that story. He tried to sue Fox Sports over that deal but I don’t think it went over so well
Why is Joe Swanson doing the narration.
“no it was absolutely ficking not” 😂
My only issue is that nearly 75 percent of the major 105 NCAA football programs at the time participated in some form of pay for play recruiting strategy to lure their best players but the NCAA chose to make SMU into a hypocritical case study...Extremely unfortunate...
Oddly enough, this was not the first time the NCAA used the "Death Penalty". It was the third time. It had been used a total of five times.
1. The University of Kentucky men's basketball team for the 1952-53 season.
2. The University of Southern Louisiana (Now University of Louisiana at Lafayette.) men's basketball program for the 1973-74 and 1974-75 seasons.
3. The topic of this video.
4. The men's soccer team at Morehouse College, a DII school, for the 2004 and 2005 seasons
5. The men's tennis team at MacMurray College, a D3 school for the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons (Program was permanently killed off from it. MacMurray College was closed for good in 2020)
Didn't Houston get the death penalty as well? I remember back in the day they couldn't even be on national TV.. during the time of Andre Ware and David Kingler, they were like banned from TV... Not even a highlight lol.. I remember just seeing these outrageous scores they used to put up but not a highlight lol
Kentucky's death penalty ended up being a short pause. They simply picked up where they left off in the mid 1950s.
@@manatarmsslaps Houston was on probation. Meaning scholarships were reduced, no bowl games, and no national television. Despite all that, the program was allowed to continue to keep playing. All of the programs I mentioned were forced to suspend operations for their penalties.
@@metalcatgaming7422 yeah I wasn't disputing difference in the schools you mentioned bs Houston. I simply couldn't remember if Houston had gotten the death penalty or not lol.. I was like in the 8th or 9th grade back when I first remember that about Houston hell, I didn't even know what the death penalty was when all this stuff came out about SMU. Hell, never heard of SMU back then . When that stuff happened with them I was even younger lol
UL Lafayette is actually now now as just the University of Luisiana
Yes! The ironic thing is that today what SMU did is nothing different than what anyone else is doing.
SMU was way ahead of it’s time when it came to NIL.
Except there’s no way the NCAA would have given the death penalty to Texas or A&M, Baylor, etc
@@Dr-Alexander-The-Great The one thing that those had that that SMU didn’t have was a competitive media market that was willing to rat them out to make their careers.
Especially Oklahoma!
When the David Stanley story aired on Dallas TV.SMU's Program was finished,
I was on that team but transferred to North Texas took a pay cut 😮
And now the NCAA is negotiating options for schools to pay student athletes…
Nice little “if you made it to the end of the video” Easter egg at the end there 😂👌
Bro a 7-3 football game???? They were playing hockey out there.
Edit: The Vaudeville Villian instrumental is a sick choice 🔥🔥🔥
Different times, you could hit the QB way after he through it. Pass interference was not even close to the same thing as today, a lot more contact allowed from the defense to defenseless receivers. If you tried to do a spread style offense like today, your QB would be out for the game by halftime and half of your receivers would be in the hospital. The run game was a lot more effective and consistent because of this, so the clock would be running most of the game, which in turn caused games to be a lot shorter
Vikings raiders 3-0 game last weekend starting to get nervous over here 🤣
I sat in the stands and got a sunburn on the left side of my face and legs/arms just to watch my beloved Razorbacks lose 3-7 at home to Mississippi State in the year 2023.
The wishbone running attack was still very much a thing in the 80's.
I remember watching that game. Notice how there was no virtually one in the stands? There was a massive winter storm in Texas, and It was 0 degrees with heavy sleet by the end. Impossible playing conditions, that game would have 100 percent been postponed today. Dan Marino was the starting QB for Pitt, btw. If he couldn’t throw the ball in those conditions no one could have.
Back in the day when graduating and going to the NFL meant taking a pay cut.
How does Penn State still have a football program?
Penn state didn’t have recruitment violations. Plus it’s debatable that Penn State case was even the NCAA’s jurisdiction.
They shouldn't.
@@pnwdiver1734 What they did was FAR worse than 'recruitment violations'.
My band teacher in high school went to SMU during this time, and only got to do marching band 1 year before they got the death penalty. He told me.about how to not get cut the marching band would try to get into as many parades and do as many guest appearances as possible.
Been binging your videos love your content
E.D. made more 'salary' at SMU than playing in the NFL. His words and he'll never divulge the amount. This factoid is so over-the-top, so brazen, so audacious it boggles the mind. Sadly, the penalty received was the penalty deserved.
You barely squeezed in Craig James at the end of this video - how could you possibly leave out Eric Dickerson? He and Craig James were key to SMU's National Championship and also key to why SMU got the Death Penalty.
Then Craig James winey son got Mike Leach fired. Tech was on the rise but he killed that
I know it's not really relevant here, but I think it's a crime that student athletes receive no compensation for playing football. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, which sells jerseys with player's names on them, their images and likeness in adverts and endless other revenue streams, yet the student athletes receive zero dollars. If they are lucky, they will leave with a degree, if they decide to stick it out the entire 4 years. But most leave for the NFL because they need money. These NCAA sports and colleges are just rife with these scandals and they most likely always will be. It's crazy amounts of money we're talking about, and the pressure to succeed is just as crazy. Thanks for this video. Excellent work.
How does SMU gst the DP, but not PENN STATE???
This is why.
@@RandallDenison What is why? Money payments to players is worse than molesting children ....btw longer than the SMU scandal.
@@ms.felonystrutter2472Because Penn State is a brand, a huge one at that. The NCAA is blatantly corrupt, they’ll use the DP on lower schools to look good for the media but will completely ignore any problems if it’s a big name school, because money talks.
James Moeser, the guy who took over as Penn State president after Graham Spanier was forced out, actually said in an interview that the NCAA was seriously looking at a four-year death penalty for the Nittany Lions. What kept them from doing it is just how brutal the whole thing was for SMU. As this video pointed out, the Mustangs still haven't recovered, and the NCAA apparently doesn't want to do that to another program (at least a cash-cow media brand like Penn State). I think it's safe to say that if Penn State didn't get it after the Sandusky scandal, it'll simply never be used again.
@@mam162 Forgot one thing $$$$$$$$$.
The best moment was when the Houston Cougars put up 95 points on SMU in 1989. That game was insane. I listened to it on the radio. Every few minutes it was “touchdown!” Being an ultra-aggressive Run and Shoot offense, Houston didn’t have any plays to run out the clock. The entire playbook was meant for scoring. I felt bad for Mustang fans but it was still awesome. The Cougars easily could have scored over 100. Somehow they managed to not score near the end of the game.
Houston had almost 1,000 yards of offense that day. Reminds me of people who play the NCAA Football video game and just try to rack up the most absurd numbers possible and break the game.😂
SMU is in first place in the ACC
10:27 amazing song choice
Almost 40 years later and they still haven't recovered.
They finally recovered a few years ago, they have been ranked almost every year the past 3 or 4 years, they're in the teens this season. But before that they hadn't been since this death penalty.
Its crazy now with NIL some college players are earning cars worth more than what SMU payed their players total😂
SMU did not go for the win against Arkansas, instead playing to a tie. Penn State, whose only loss that year was to Alabama, was the consensus national champion in 1982. Why? Four All Americans at Penn State (including two that finished in the top ten in the Heisman Trophy voting) to SMU’s one, Penn State played six opponents who went to bowl games (including two in the major bowls) to SMU’s one.
The one thing u missed was other Texas schools were paying players as well
So was Notre Dame and other big schools.
SMU got the death penalty for paying players, yet Penn State didn't see anywhere near the same punishment for harboring and protecting a serial child molester... all the way up to the top of the university. Penn State should not have a football team, even today.
Completely different set of circumstances. The criminal case (Sandusky) has been tried; it's not like PSU and the community at large knew for years and years what was going on. If so, don't you think something would have happened sooner? As in a backlash?? It wasn't until 2011 until the facts came out, and after the investigation, the NCAA realized that there was no lack of institutional control and wound up dropping the sanctions. Because they didn't have a case, or PSU would still be in deep sh!t.
SMU continued to press the issue even when approached with "hey, don't do this no more!" It's not like the NCAA went to Penn State in 1999 and told them to keep Sandusky, now an ex coach, off campus. Big difference there.
@@brianhurley3197actually, they DID know for years. Mike McQueary first reported Sandusky's bad behavior in 2001, a decade before the scandal came to light. The university and their beloved JoePa swept it under the rug, and McQueary basically ended up being blacklisted from future coaching jobs.
@@brianhurley3197 What a load of crap. EVERYONE around that program knew what Sandusky was up to.
I appreciate the use of the GTA 3 music 🤘
SMU was just ahead of it’s time playing players 😂
Their real crime was not being a power 5 school.
Excellent video, I didn't know that SMU Won a share of back to back National Championships. Were they forced to vacate their share when the death penalty was imposed? This is the first I ever heard of this national championships
2024: Somehow, SMU has returned.
It crazy now days what SMU was doing over 40 years ago is all legal now with NIL. I hope SMU is allowed to hang National Championship banners for there titles back then. Because now days this stuff is all legit to pay players.
Starting a video about college football with Black Moth Super Rainbow is craaaazy
So the school paid the players and that's what drove them to drugs. C'mon now that sounds like a stretch. It's unfortunate that they died but 2 players snitching on the school out of spite because they got injured warrants no sympathy or praise. Had they not gotten hurt I'm sure they wouldn't have said a word.
The sad thing is......
The same thing that got SMU the death penalty...
Is now totally legal!!!!!!
NIL
Well not totally. SMU was straight handing players money to play for them. That's not really what NIL is lol
@@kizitokatende412 When they are showing in public how much college players are getting paid(millions)..... pretty open whats happening...lol....
Not even trying to hide it
@@rodneywaugh8535 yea it's with sponsorship and advertisement deals... That's what Name Image and Likeness is. Not straight up handing cash to the players for nothing lmfao
@@rodneywaugh8535Yeah I never liked that they are getting paid to go to college, I get that the Universities make a tremendous amount of money for the games but it seemed wrong to me. There's plenty of time for that in the NFL years later. Call me old fashion but just my opinion.
@@frankrizzo4460So it’s right for the university but not the players 🤣
They were 4 decades ahead of their time
"Absolutely F**cking not" had me Dying
S.M.U.-No sympathy, self inflicted. Like sin, Just because everybody does it, it still don’t make it right! 🌺✝️🌺
Is this Cody from alternate history hub? It has to be
That's what I'm thinking
Small correction: The death penalty actually existed decades prior- most famously given to Kentucky men’s basketball in 1952.
Now here they are first year as a power conference member 10 wins and are going to the ACC championship
They had a chance to stop and said they did stop. No way the NCAA was gonna let them get away with it
The NCAA let everyone else get away with it, even when they knew other schools were doing the same.
the 'woe is me, you picked on us" attitude is so tired. they had multiple, multiple warnings and their response was a finger & they continued.. zero sympathy here. but that's what people do now: break the law then cry foul for reason X.
Not only did SMU help destroy the SWC, so did Texas and Texas A&M. The SWC champion, I believe for the last eight years of the conference's existence did not win the Cotton Bowl. Texas was beaten by Georgia, A&M by FSU, UCLA and Notre Dame twice. I remember that the SWC champion did not win the Cotton Bowl for many years in a row. And thus the SWC went away. No prestige.
Minor quibble? None of the teams you talked about were in the Southwestern Conference.
GTA 3 soundtrack so goated you could kinda interpret GTA 3 liberty city as Dallas if it was rendering slow enough it’s way closer to LS though 🕵🏻♂️
SMU is back now, it's been a long journey and a hard fought battle but the Mustangs are back. I always thought the NCAA was too hard on them by giving them the death penalty. No bowls and TV for a couple of years is enough.
It's crazy that smu is now in the top 10 I believe
Never thought I'd come across a Black Super Rainbow song in a sports video, but I gotta say I love it
"Hey lets just offer them money to come here"
I have no doubt other schools were doing this. They just never got caught
Definitely selective enforcement at play. Guess it was much easier to go after SMU than the blue bloods of the sport.
You have an amazing voice
SMU would be perfectly legal today even in that time Florida State University was just as bad. Let’s also not forget the amount of violations Clemson University had during that same time that was just slightly less than SMU’s
The Southwest Conference was notorious for violating recruiting rules SMU wasn’t the only school that was doing it
It is bizarre how SMU was punished, while Barry Switzer and OU skated with all of their eye-opening transgressions.
OU was on probation after Switzer left, the 90s was terrible for them.
@@melroze What happened after the rapes in the athletic dorms or how about Joe Mixon’s slap on the wrist after knocking out the young woman on camera? The Norman police dept was complicit with OU in keeping the Mixon video out of public view for 2-years. And Mixon continued to play for your beloved Sooners.
@@texasron9131I can't remember to much but I think she assaulted him. He was suspended pending. Out come of court. This he got to play because she slapped him first. Wasn't it by a ATM.
THEY ARE NOW FREE!! WELCOLME TO THE ACC!!!!!!
It was called the Southwest Conference. Why were you showing images of Gov. Mark White and calling him Gov. Bill Clements?
He got a few facts wrong.
Sorry we just flipped your QB SMU 😔. Kelon Russel. Roll Tide 🌊. Y'all definitely had something special with kelon Russel, he's a special talent. Glad he flipped to us.
Uh, when you first mentioned Bill Clements, you showed Mark White, the man who beat Bill Clements in the 1982 election. Clements came back to win against White in 1986. Clements's second term has been described as his revenge on Texas for not reelecting him in '82.
It took almost a half second for me to realize that you used the GTA III theme in this video.
They were just ahead if their time by being so open about it.
I a lifer.....historian Cowboys fan in Philthy sawca team playing on America's Field, Texas Stadium and cool uniforms...hell they lined up in the Flex at times....so I rooted for them. Honestly, never followed them after being taken off tv. Watching this was educarional, but do this video with such disdain and NOT a video about Sandusky and Penn State? Examibe the book "Underneath The Tarnished Dome" svum bag Lou Holtz? What is the axe to grind?
looking back on this yeah it does come off as kind of rash, but completely agree this was just a standard scandal with some unfortunate unseen consequences in regards to the couple players it screwed, the penn state stuff was just straight up evil. have not read that though will give it a read
Did you see the movie "Blue Chips"? That schitt was real. Instead of straight cash the schools were giving the families tangibles like jobs. Vehicles. Places to live. Do you really think schools wasn't doing things in the old days when it was hard to trace?
SMU is finally back!
From 81 - 84, SMU could make their claim as the top program in the country.
Pony Excess was the best 30 for 30 ESPN college football doc not named The U. I mean, both of the coaches who were behind it (one who actually was in the doc) are dead now! And now SMU has officially won their league finishing as a top 25 team and are worthy, in today's stupid realignment era, of being in a Power 4 conference. Time, it's circular.
SMU IS BACK!!! 8-1!!
A whole bunch of snitches back in the day 🤦🏻♂️
And now with NIL kids make millions. These kids wont ever see that kind of money again
Great video of course. What blows my mind is how small the money started. Obviously very illegal, but in 1980 $20-100 was enough to sway recruits?