Husqvarna Svartpilen 801 vs KTM 790 Duke: Which Should You Buy?
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Kinda bothered now you seem to never acknowledge the issues with these bikes, a quick glance at the comments on any video will give you a good idea of how people really feel about them.
I guess that’s how the bike TH-cam is nowadays, never holding the companies that give you a press trips and early sneak peaks to account…
Secret ingredient is money
I've owned a 790 and 2 x 690s. Great bikes and no issues with either... What issue are you talking about? I've owned far less reliable bikes (Ducati for instance)
Triumphs Street Triple puts both these in their place.
The Svartpilen is killing itself with that price. It needs to be priced well below the MT-09.
True. Mt-09 is already killing it in the market. Even among the journalists almost all of them praised the bike heavily. To complete with MT-09 they need to price it lower for sure to atleast have some secondary choice if someone is not into mt-09.
High end European price tag with a made in China motor. A great idea but poorly executed.
Neither until ktm acknowledge the CAMSHAFT issue that you always fail to mention
done😁.
I won't buy a Husky untill they put a European 890 motor in iit and fix the camshaft issues. When they do that I'll be parking one in my shed.
The motor is made in Austria where the KTM is made in China that’s where the price difference mostly comes from
@@kennedyracing7527 My understanding is the 790 motor is made by CF Moto in China.
@@kennedyracing7527 Cycleworld and Wikipedia both say the 790 motor is made in China by CF Moto from 2021 onwards. The 890 motor is Austrian made, as is the rest of the bike. I can't find any credible source that says any different.
Same tech, same engine, similar build quality.....same concerns about reliability....get a Yam. Oh, and same outrageous cost to unblock more gadgets. What a grubby, cynical company. Avoid
I'd buy 800 NK
Neither. If it's the 790 or 890 engines, neither. I cannot guarantee whether the engines are going to burn through a set of camshaft lobes by 12,000 Km or not. And if I don't service every last thing through the KTM dealer according to KTM's service schedule, they will probably deny any warranty coverage and I'll be left footing the bill. It's a shame, because the 1290 engine has been bulletproof, the 790 and 890? Nope.
890 is fine and current 790 engine is too.. the original 790 engines definitely had issues.. I should know I blew mine up at 130+mph lol but I've got the 890R and it's been on at least 10 track days and runs perfectly
@@youtubed9695 That's not satisfying enough for someone about to throw down 10 to 12 grand of their hard earned money. While I might not be perfectly reasonable in asking KTM to turn out Japanese reliability and longevity, I do think it is reasonable to ask KTM to produce a valvetrain that isn't dying long before anything else wears out or dies in their engines.
All I see is anecdotes of people's experience online. I don't have numbers. KTM isn't putting out bulletins or service notices or recalls. KTM isn't giving its customer base the satisfaction of buying their products knowing that they will last beyond 12-15k and not need a top end replacement.
Sure there are examples of people running them longer without issue. Sure there are examples of of those using them in racing. That's not good enough. That's not going to tell me what the probability is that if I purchased a 790 or 890 motor, I'd not be peeling out 5-6 grand after 15k miles, or have every last service interval done to the book at an expensive KTM dealer to avoid being denied potential warranty compensation.
By contrast, I never think about issues with Japanese bikes. I've purchased a good number of new Jap bikes and broken them in, did my own service, and never once had an issue. Mind you, mileage wasn't high before I traded or sold.
@@exothermal.sprocket well ktm warrantied my bike and I paid £11500 for an 890R nearly 3 years ago.. its been amazing.. ducatis are alot more expensive and they break down more than anything.. my mates triumph 765 has had problem after problem and another mate gave up on his s1000rr due to issues.. in my experience my ktm has been more reliable than all my mates bikes and yet mine gets thrashed so much more.. you can't say ktm are unreliable just because people say it in comments section.. most of them probably can't even ride lol 😂
@@youtubed9695 That's not satisfying anything I've already addressed. It's all anecdotes. Means something to you, doesn't mean anything of satisfaction to me. What percentage of 790 and 890 bikes has KTM sold that have broken down in rather unacceptable ways? Oil leaks, camshaft lobes made of marshmallows, other problems? To tell me yours has been fine doesn't negate the fact you can find videos of people with their engines torn down and all sorts of carnage revealed on the insides, or their personal correspondence to KTM with returned letters, and warranty headaches and all the rest. Some of them weren't even aware their cams were already dissolving until the service department called them on the phone with the news.
Hard core numbers would satisfy me. 12k dollars isn't something to gamble away.
@@exothermal.sprocket so you've never owned a ktm and actually experience ownership.. why are you commenting on something you dint understand?
On my third Husqvarna and didnt pay list price for any of them. They are not that popular so if you buy at the right time you always get a healthy discount. While I doubt it will come down to 790 levels it will be a lot closer
Love the svartpilen. I'm going to be cleaning up garage in the next couple of years, so I can pickup a used 801. However, I will have to closely compare the market price for the 790 or the 890 at the time. Always hated the ktm look, but the 790/890 design is starting to grow on me. I would however want to tone down the orange a bit and replace with black. The headlight looks alright to me.
I would also wait 2-3 years for them to work out the kinks.
Husqvarna Svarpilen 801 all day long for me , it's just looking so great ❤❤.
Another great video
I want this comparison, but with the CF Moto 800nk also.
Will there be a vid on the new Desertx discovery? Seems like nobody’s talking about it and I have no clue what the difference is between the regular one and rally version
Nice review/comparison. My choice is the HusQ. Simply based on the look. Gives a Mad Max vibe.
Do you have any integrity? Your own viewers have been warning you about the soft camshafts in the LC8c for weeks/months and yet, AGAIN you FAIL to mention the problem.
He don't care. KTM puts a wine bottle and shrimp on his table 😎
I'd buy the 790 over the Svart 801 even though I much prefer the looks of the Svart. Handling in tight twisties is number one for me. Perhaps the Vitpilen 801 will get the geometry of the Duke 790.
I don't like the looks of the Duke 790 but the Svartpilen 801 isn't wow either, I expected more from a modern retro based motorcycle
I've already put a deposit down on a Svartpilen 801!
Is there any news about a vitpilen 801 ?
0.5* steering angle difference? Can’t see that making any difference whatsoever.
KTM targeting riders who truly love riding likely started in motocross. Husqvarna targeting hipster types? If it came with a beanie inspired helmet sale could be good. Should have just brought back the Nuda900
the husky has adjustable suspension while the ktm doesn't
just buy the 800nk hehe
Better question would be 990 duke or 801 svartpilen.
Such a shame that Huskies are using a KTM platform. I've two friends that have had nothing but problems with them. Wiring problems. Oil leaks. Water ingress. Great fun for dry days if you're a teenager, but look elsewhere if you need a bike to work.
Why sister company not brother company?
Brother company Gas Gas 😂
do you want the orange pointy thing or the ikea black thing😆
790 made in China, HusQ made in Austria 🙄...tons of complains about camshaft issues 😬
Wouldn’t buy Ktm since my 690 shat itself at 25,000ks. Can love issues have been carried over I see
Those Maxxis are crap imo. After 2000km I swapped them. Too dangerous in the wet. Well, I have the 790 Duke 2020 and it's such a good bike. I changed the handlebar to a motard style one and now the comfort is much better. (I'm 180cm)
A lot of whining abouth camshafts here from "experts". I'm quite tired of these comments. One thing is clear, yes there are some cases out there. But not as many as the stories. Don't listen to the fearmongers.
Thank you mr Bob!
they are pretty much the same...both are over priced for what it really is...by the way, I used to LOVE KTM, but their build quality dropped! Would not buy again for the all the troubles I've gone through. KTM really needs to work to improve the reliability of its product. In the market now there are strong competitors like MT-09/XSR, Triumph Speed Twin, Kawasaki Z900RS, CB etc...really needs to pull up its quality.
It needs a set of real touring sport tires
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This happened 3 times!
Chinese made with European prices. Pass.
Why the Husq 401 is launched with spoked wheels beyond me 😂.
Either 👍
I prefer to buy 890 Duke😀
BlackArrow 100%… All roads… Any Day over Angular Orange it looks so cool! 👍🏼😎👍🏼 (to answer your question directly… Unlike most comment is so far… but I’ll probably just get a Honda)
Engineering will have to get far better to appeal to the North American target market which is clearly the goal here for both as there is a massive War going on in a space *("Ukraine")* that is using motorcycles as logistical effort and to an unsurprisingly ineffective result. Powertrain is not nearly robust enough and engines not nearly enough low end torque to provide for the required work effort. Need spare tires, rims, space for hooking up baggage or even a trailer plus proper outfitting of the rider list is endless at the moment although at least they have product. #Buell starting to suddenly make an appearance in the North America domestic product now as well. Might see a return of #victory_motorcycle as well.
The Husqy. It stands out and looks comfortable. I would love to buy one.
camshafts :D
I want to create content like yours in hindi but I don’t know how to start
Try from learning Hindi.
To be fair. Has motobob ever acknowledged the shortcomings associated with long term ownership of any bike he’s made videos about? Atleast not in these shorter comparison/first impression style vids. Now, if KTM actually acknowledged the issue and he never says anything in the longer form podcast style videos he puts out then I’d be suspicious but why people are questioning his integrity on these types of videos is a little beyond me.
The 801 is brilliant but most expensive than the 790. Perhaps the price is the first reason to buy the KTM.
The KTM is made in China! Buy the Husky
Well both will get you killed as you speed down a road when someone pulls in front of you.
So you’d get the orange one then and wear fluorescent yellow 💀
you sound scared and frightened🤣.
If the engine repair bills don't kill your bank account first.