@@agentblackbird9435 I don't think Rapid is considered that good for whatever reason, probably because Dark and Fighting have great offensive synergy and Wicked Blow is very oppressive (Sucker Punch is better priority than Rapid's Aqua Jet too). I'm very curious how Rapid will develop in the wake of Single's ban (which is extremely likely from what I've heard).
You forgot to mention the greatest example of passive damage, which is Ojama still taking damage from embarrassment after losing to Moet’s hyper cutter Gliscor team.
I like how charizard is like the only pokemon in the game that can actually sometimes get away with doing just that. Blaze + Sun is way too much fun :D
@@MenwithHill I'm gonna say Ferro gets 30-40 minutes. It's only had 4 generations of competitive use and what it does hasn't really changed a whole lot across those generations
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 I'd say around 45 if I had to actually guess for a slim version. He's been huge in OU, Ubers and VGC every gen, and while the strats might not shift around too much, he was so used that you can wax about basically every OU matchup of his. Also if they put Ferroseed in (which would be quite justified) you could pad it out easily to one hour.
The psychological aspect of having hazards on your side has often made me feel like my team is on a timer and have caused me to misplay to try to conserve my mons HP even with resists
1:00:00 another thing not mentioned, The entire reason Deo-D was banned in BWOY was being too good at setting hazards on HO teams, despite being one of the most defensive pokemon it was the face of HO until it got put down
"In competitive Pokemon, you can't use the 4 fire moves Charizard tactic" and then there's me, with my flamethrower fire blast overheat weather ball specs zard
Watching this video again in the wake of Hail's rise in SwSh OU. Turns out that a weather that chips everyone except Ice-types, an item that cancels hazard damage, and the prevalence of Defog is _really_ helpful for a mon that gets STAB on BoltBeam. Who knew? (comments are good for the algorithm)
Usually I can not see your complete videos at first sight but I almost always return to see them one more time and without realizing it I end up seeing everything, keep it up, your knowledge is very valuable to us
It is pretty common for me to beat Mimikyus without ever bothering to break their disguise. It is easier with good phasing moves or Unaware, a lot of status moves, entry hasards, and a full stall team. You can do it too after you learned the Zen of Stall. But learning that requires a strong mind that most people do not have. I suggest you train it by doing a lot orbpuwhups, running a lot, and drinking plenty of juice. A great mind is easier to develop in a trained body.
"4 Fire moves Charizard won't cut it" Choice Specs, Solar Power Charizard in Sun with Weather Ball, Overheat, Flamethrower and Fire Blast : I'll pretend I didn't hear that
@@sophiawilliams8650 I just saw that but just to say : I didn't invent this set for Charizard as it was actually legitimately used, but that was during the Isle of Armor meta so before Heatran was legal, so there was basically no viable Fire immunity in OU
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I’m more of a casual player than a competitive one, but I recently experimented with passive damage by building a dedicated sand team for a playthrough of Pokémon Platinum. It was one of my favorite in-game teams ever, combining the immense defensive utility of Hippowdon and Clefable with ginormous offense from the likes of Specs Magnezone and Rock Polish Rampardos. It allowed me to appreciate passive damage exactly how you describe it in this video: as a supplement for direct damage. Mamoswine wouldn’t have gotten as many Ice Shard kills as it did without Sandstorm and Stealth Rock up.
oh yeah that sounds like something I'd like to try. I like to hear about competitive because it's interesting to hear people talk about it. but when I boot up a pokemon I'm mostly interested in taking a casual team I've built up and decided on which critters I want to use, and steamrolling all the ai trainers. so building a competitive team would be a fun way to change up team building.
except for the chip that brings that opponent's charizard that just used sunny day into blaze range and activates its petaya berry. -and no, switching to Blissey will not help you in that situation-
Overheat - check Weather ball - check Flamethrower - check What would the fourth be? I know that the set was almost only fire spam but I thought it was always solar beam.
@@darren3687 Ice-types would be pretty balanced in a non-Stealth Rock world. A lot of them are at least decently fast and hella strong especially on the special side, but their typing is terrible defensively
absolutely more important than ever. toxic, scald, leech seed, iron barbs/rocky helmet and sandstorm are still major components that the boots dont block. and knock off is massive in gen 8 too, that gets rid of boots and suddenly zapdos is hit by stealth rock
Very powerful damage, I have a team in adv that uses toxic to wear down zapdos quickly which the team would otherwise have trouble with. I wrote an rmt on it.
Funny thing is, I don't really care about rocks anymore in gen eight because literally every single pokemon has boots because gamefreak has a Charizard fetish although I still spam toxic spikes a lot because Toxapex is unkillable. Imagine if gen eight had Gliscor So, which pokemon are you gonna preach about next time on FSG?
A simple way to explain why passive damage is good is “Imagine your attacks doing 2-50% more or your opponents health. And now add spikes. Another 12-25%. That’s a good 14-75% extra percent on top of your attacks. So you can talk about how ‘oh hazards are lame’ but this is just one switch in”
a ghost type that is not weak to ground (i.E. not weak to Snorlax's Earthquake). Can be very nasty with perish song + meanlook, especially when it attempts to trap your snorlax. Mostly finds itself on stall teams these days as it has mostly been eclipsed by gengar on offensive teams after people started to realize, how awesome explosion-stacking is. Gengar certainly suffers from its ground weakness though (no abilities = no levitate)
Well that's like saying direct damage is broken because hyper offense exists. Damage is damage. Even the most hardcore stall teams need to directly hit the opponent just like how the most hardcore hyper offense teams still need to set up hazards.
@@whydoiexist2180 stall was ok in DLC1 but not great. Most of the tier was bulky balance, not stall. What I meant in the previous comment was stall in its purest form with 6 defensive mons. Such teams see use but in general are terrible as their main source of damage is hazards, which are mitigated by heavy duty Boots. Stall nowadays is forced to run an offensive mon like Dragapult in order to deal any actual damage. If you're using one offensive mon, might as well just make it two offensive mons and use balance
@@musique-ef3rz oh ok but stall like bkc said needed to actually deal damage (not just passive damage) if you were correct most stall would just be balance
What about the people who like his extremely detailed and long videos? But I agree, he could mix it up, but it’s not easy if you consider the level of detail and knowledge he provides in his videos
@@gabbo3.070 How so? You can pause the vid and have it remember where you were. Not to mention that he separated the examples by generation so there are good natural stopping points. You don't read a novel in one sitting
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 well i never played competitively and would like to start but this isn't helping too much. It takes so much for granted on the viewer's side and it's a real shame
BKC: *Describing how good was passive damage for 1 hour
Clefable:"Cool story bro"
"I like your funny words sandy man"
Clefable: "You know what: My entire team should be free of chip!" *proceeds to wish teleport*
@@catandfishfc With the possible urshifu ban... Dear god thats gonna come back
@@mariojordan9543 I’m assuming both Single (Dark) and Rapid (Water) are both considered for ban?
@@agentblackbird9435 I don't think Rapid is considered that good for whatever reason, probably because Dark and Fighting have great offensive synergy and Wicked Blow is very oppressive (Sucker Punch is better priority than Rapid's Aqua Jet too). I'm very curious how Rapid will develop in the wake of Single's ban (which is extremely likely from what I've heard).
You forgot to mention the greatest example of passive damage, which is Ojama still taking damage from embarrassment after losing to Moet’s hyper cutter Gliscor team.
LMAOOO
@Logan David Williams
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LMAO Ojama really a clown that game
This will be the thing that is going to follow him for the rest of his career, just like Blunder getting 6-0 by lead Darmanitan
He even acted like a goofy mid game
This is the LOTR directors cut of the fsg stealth rock video and you can't change my mind on that.
"You cant just do the 4 fire move charizard tactic in online pokemon".. damn I feel directly attacked
What is funny is that now the standard solar power charizard uses three fire moves.
Flamethrower fire blast overheat fire spin ftw
Lower ladder memories. Ahh good times.
I like how charizard is like the only pokemon in the game that can actually sometimes get away with doing just that. Blaze + Sun is way too much fun :D
Makes me hope for "How GOOD was Hippowdon actually" soon
Ferrothorn: *Has anyone forgot about me*
@@Eternitygate You'll get your hour long epic don't worry
@@MenwithHill Lando t: *YOU DARE OPPOSE ME MORTAL*
@@MenwithHill I'm gonna say Ferro gets 30-40 minutes. It's only had 4 generations of competitive use and what it does hasn't really changed a whole lot across those generations
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 I'd say around 45 if I had to actually guess for a slim version. He's been huge in OU, Ubers and VGC every gen, and while the strats might not shift around too much, he was so used that you can wax about basically every OU matchup of his.
Also if they put Ferroseed in (which would be quite justified) you could pad it out easily to one hour.
Virgins: I need to go use the bathroom
Chads: I need to go Drop a Draco
41:17
The psychological aspect of having hazards on your side has often made me feel like my team is on a timer and have caused me to misplay to try to conserve my mons HP even with resists
Usually I just say that passive damage helps tips rolls and 2Hit Ko's in your favor. But I liked this video for the long correct answer. Thanks
1:00:00 another thing not mentioned, The entire reason Deo-D was banned in BWOY was being too good at setting hazards on HO teams, despite being one of the most defensive pokemon it was the face of HO until it got put down
"In competitive Pokemon, you can't use the 4 fire moves Charizard tactic"
and then there's me, with my flamethrower fire blast overheat weather ball specs zard
Lmao
sounds cool. I should definitely pair this with my modest 3 attacks blissey :D
Kid named Heatran:
BKC: "Passive Damage is very important in Pokemon battles."
Magic Guard Pokemon: *"Hello there."*
Passive damage being so strong is why magic guard is busted when you think about it
Latias Leftovers got knocked off
BKC: ye Latias is basically dead now
Watching this video again in the wake of Hail's rise in SwSh OU. Turns out that a weather that chips everyone except Ice-types, an item that cancels hazard damage, and the prevalence of Defog is _really_ helpful for a mon that gets STAB on BoltBeam. Who knew?
(comments are good for the algorithm)
Usually I can not see your complete videos at first sight but I almost always return to see them one more time and without realizing it I end up seeing everything, keep it up, your knowledge is very valuable to us
I could listen to BKC talk for hours. He’s very informative and knows his stuff.
looks like it's BKClaus, back again with a 1:22 video hell yes
Killing a Mimikyu without busting its disguise is the ultimate achievement
Has that actually happen before?
@@shawnjavery I think Blunder managed it recently
@@shawnjavery Considering mold breaker and it's child abilities, along with certain moves, ignore abilities, plenty of times.
@@shawnjavery toxic haze pex exists to do this
It is pretty common for me to beat Mimikyus without ever bothering to break their disguise. It is easier with good phasing moves or Unaware, a lot of status moves, entry hasards, and a full stall team.
You can do it too after you learned the Zen of Stall. But learning that requires a strong mind that most people do not have. I suggest you train it by doing a lot orbpuwhups, running a lot, and drinking plenty of juice. A great mind is easier to develop in a trained body.
"4 Fire moves Charizard won't cut it"
Choice Specs, Solar Power Charizard in Sun with Weather Ball, Overheat, Flamethrower and Fire Blast : I'll pretend I didn't hear that
you should probably run scorching sands for tran if youre playing ou
Kid named Heatran:
@@sophiawilliams8650 I just saw that but just to say : I didn't invent this set for Charizard as it was actually legitimately used, but that was during the Isle of Armor meta so before Heatran was legal, so there was basically no viable Fire immunity in OU
I absolutely love these videos. You have a great speaking voice and amazing knowledge of so many aspects of the different metagames
Thank you for such an awesome channel. Sometimes I want to think about Pokemon, but don't have the mood or patience to deal with RNG, teambuilding, etc. Fun to watch and listen :)
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I’m more of a casual player than a competitive one, but I recently experimented with passive damage by building a dedicated sand team for a playthrough of Pokémon Platinum. It was one of my favorite in-game teams ever, combining the immense defensive utility of Hippowdon and Clefable with ginormous offense from the likes of Specs Magnezone and Rock Polish Rampardos. It allowed me to appreciate passive damage exactly how you describe it in this video: as a supplement for direct damage. Mamoswine wouldn’t have gotten as many Ice Shard kills as it did without Sandstorm and Stealth Rock up.
oh yeah that sounds like something I'd like to try. I like to hear about competitive because it's interesting to hear people talk about it. but when I boot up a pokemon I'm mostly interested in taking a casual team I've built up and decided on which critters I want to use, and steamrolling all the ai trainers. so building a competitive team would be a fun way to change up team building.
Any chip = amazing chip
Any chip = A Helluva lot of chip
Ah yes the Agency method of passive damage lmao. Any chip is good chip
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 it is! Sometimes it leads to a perfect sacrifice
except for the chip that brings that opponent's charizard that just used sunny day into blaze range and activates its petaya berry.
-and no, switching to Blissey will not help you in that situation-
Hurricane missing 8 times in a row (no exaggeration) is relatable
What does BKC stand for? my brain always reads "Bonkey Kong Country" but it's obviously not that
Blazin Kickin Chicken 🍗
his old youtube channel that is very “embarrassing”
That is the canon name wym
Bentucky Kried Chicken
Awesome video, I’ve been really looking forward to this one
Damn half a year later its finally here
took a while for all the passive damage (from not uploading the video) to BKC's conscience to accumulate
Need these to be atleast twice as long
Sorry dude, I can't hear this vid over the Magic Guard Pokémon laughing at Shedinja.
An hour and a half long BKC upload the day after Christmas? Unreal holiday gift
>You can't just do the 4 fire attack charizard tactic
NU sun pre drought ban:
Overheat - check
Weather ball - check
Flamethrower - check
What would the fourth be? I know that the set was almost only fire spam but I thought it was always solar beam.
@@SPZ-gv2on probably scorching sands
next up: why you should use super effective moves
Now imagine a Ice-type exclusive Stealth Rock. This could push the Ice-type to the front of the meta.
Imo they cant rly make ice type balanced. Whenever they buff ice mon they always get too good and then get banned e.g. G-darm & kyu-b
@@darren3687 It isn't the type's fault tho, Darm-Galar has a dumb ability and Kyurem-B has great stats and DD.
weavile and mamoswine have been good in ou
@@darren3687 Ice-types would be pretty balanced in a non-Stealth Rock world. A lot of them are at least decently fast and hella strong especially on the special side, but their typing is terrible defensively
@@tecul1 yes, but they are a small part of a really bad type that needs buffs
hi bkc, happy holidays!
Best mascot ever to get the point across
I love protect with passive damage :D
It's a good way to get into a winning position. An aggravating one no doubt.
Alternate title: Why stealth rocks are so good.
not just stealth rock .... but yeah, pretty much, lol
I laughed way too much at the "I dropped a draco before starting" line
happy holidays bee kay see
And this is why Magic Guard is so good.
Is passive damage as important nowadays with Heavy Duty Boots?
Possibly not, but who knows really.
absolutely more important than ever. toxic, scald, leech seed, iron barbs/rocky helmet and sandstorm are still major components that the boots dont block. and knock off is massive in gen 8 too, that gets rid of boots and suddenly zapdos is hit by stealth rock
@@ArtisChronicles i would say its still the best move expecially with knock of removing hbo
Rocky helmet plus sand is still great
@@spit-fire sand isn't that popular in gen 8 imo, rocky helmet loses a lot of its value with knock off pex/clef spam pretty much every other match
Happy Holidays everyone!
I think of it as insurance against free switches and low damage rolls
Merry Christmas bkc
Very powerful damage, I have a team in adv that uses toxic to wear down zapdos quickly which the team would otherwise have trouble with. I wrote an rmt on it.
I can't believe I've found a good EDU pokemon youtuber lmao
You didn't wash your hands.
Oh boy here's the BIG one
Clefable: Wtf are you talking about? Magic Guard LMAFO!
Funny thing is, I don't really care about rocks anymore in gen eight because literally every single pokemon has boots because gamefreak has a Charizard fetish although I still spam toxic spikes a lot because Toxapex is unkillable. Imagine if gen eight had Gliscor
So, which pokemon are you gonna preach about next time on FSG?
Good ass vid as always BKC!
It's finally here! :)
How good was Passive Damage actually? Loved your episode on Chansey and Bliss.
Also...
Fuck Stealth Rock, all my homies hate Stealth Rock.
Raif Raif Raif Raif PASSSIVE DAMAGE!!
How does a guy get a Pokemon with their Pokemon Showdown avatar?? You gotta win it or something?
Yeah. Most personalized avatars are from ladder tours/tourneys
Nasty plot Porygon-Z destroys Platinum tho holy fuck if a status move was ever actually useful in the story
Great video :) tho you should rly cut out the parts where you go to toilette
happy holidays!!
A simple way to explain why passive damage is good is “Imagine your attacks doing 2-50% more or your opponents health. And now add spikes. Another 12-25%. That’s a good 14-75% extra percent on top of your attacks. So you can talk about how ‘oh hazards are lame’ but this is just one switch in”
Algorithm and thanks for the content
Was hoping this would be a lesson on how to be passive aggressive with my wife.
:LaughingCryingFunnyScreamingSadEmoji:
the title just sounds like "stall" with extra words
passive damage is utilized by offensive teams as well, but of course, passive damage remains a cornerstone of stall.
Y tf is misdreavus in GSC OU
a ghost type that is not weak to ground (i.E. not weak to Snorlax's Earthquake). Can be very nasty with perish song + meanlook, especially when it attempts to trap your snorlax. Mostly finds itself on stall teams these days as it has mostly been eclipsed by gengar on offensive teams after people started to realize, how awesome explosion-stacking is. Gengar certainly suffers from its ground weakness though (no abilities = no levitate)
@@IschmarVI makes sense, ty
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yesssss
Yay new vid
Good shit
uwow
You really should consider editing your videos bro
no
@@BKCplaysPokemon :(
You know passive damage is broken when stall exist because of it lmao
Well that's like saying direct damage is broken because hyper offense exists. Damage is damage. Even the most hardcore stall teams need to directly hit the opponent just like how the most hardcore hyper offense teams still need to set up hazards.
It may not be broken but passive damage is he reason why stall is so good. HDB kinda just shut them down in Gen 8
@@musique-ef3rz you know that dlc 1 ou metagame was arguably the most stall tier ive seen
@@whydoiexist2180 stall was ok in DLC1 but not great. Most of the tier was bulky balance, not stall. What I meant in the previous comment was stall in its purest form with 6 defensive mons. Such teams see use but in general are terrible as their main source of damage is hazards, which are mitigated by heavy duty Boots. Stall nowadays is forced to run an offensive mon like Dragapult in order to deal any actual damage. If you're using one offensive mon, might as well just make it two offensive mons and use balance
@@musique-ef3rz oh ok but stall like bkc said needed to actually deal damage (not just passive damage) if you were correct most stall would just be balance
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buddy i love you but you gotta keep it shorter, i know u can, it would make your videos a lot more enjoyable and accessible
What about the people who like his extremely detailed and long videos? But I agree, he could mix it up, but it’s not easy if you consider the level of detail and knowledge he provides in his videos
Long doesn’t mean inaccessible, it just takes longer, it’s a video, you can pause and come back at any time
@@erikcarp9359 it also is inaccessible for many
@@gabbo3.070 How so? You can pause the vid and have it remember where you were. Not to mention that he separated the examples by generation so there are good natural stopping points. You don't read a novel in one sitting
@@Thund3rDrag0n12 well i never played competitively and would like to start but this isn't helping too much. It takes so much for granted on the viewer's side and it's a real shame
Comment for the algorithm. Good luck for the 150 teams to build, I'm looking forward to see it !