Great review madman. We have a hand full (7) of saws in the trailer, corded and battery, right and left blade, the saw of choice on the cut bench is the Skil worm 7 1/4. Power and dependable hard all day, day after day use. A MAJOR plus for the worm lefty is rarely mentioned if ever!. You can reach across and SEE the cut, of a full 48" sheet no problem. On the bench that is a tremendous advantage, tremendous. One push across a sheet, no repositioning, no moving, no bullshit. Power unlimited and hardcore dependability. The cord to the bench means nothing in that scenario. Up on the roof, yes,.. go battery for the odd adjustment cuts............although the guy on the bench is gonna hear it! Always great stuff, Thank You for the great review.
The DeWalt is 60v and requires an totally different battery platform. The Makita takes 2 batteries. The fact that Milwaukee is doing the same or more work while only using 18v tells me that the other 2 companies are doing something wrong.
@Chad Howard Have you not seen the other reviews of this product of other users putting in different batteries then the 12.0 monster? This saw becomes stall Tastic unless it has that battery in it, it might as well be it’s own battery platform. So keep drinking that red-lithium Kool-Aid, hey make sure you get a supercharger so that you can drain the batteries too fast with this saw and then charge them too fast and let me know how long the battery last you... I’ll take the Makita 36v (2 18v), DeWalt 54v or Hilti 36v anyday over this tool.😉
The Truth you cant put in an old 3.0 battery and expect to push the saw full depth rip cutting you need a 12.0 or even the new 8.0 to get power for that.. but you can take your old drill battery from 6 years ago with more cycles in it than your kids peddle bike and do some cross cuts in 2x6 no issue and you just cant do that with dewalt or makita of you dont have a 60v or 2 batteries youre sol but if you needa get the job done with an old drill battery milwuakee will do it if youre framing by yourself
And this proves how well Milwaukee marketing has fooled their fans. Dont kid yourself, put anything other than a high output battery in this saw and you'll have a fraction of the power. Dewalt chose to not make their flexvolt tools backwards compatible knowing it would be crappy performance, Milwaukee chose to do it as a marketing tactic. This is without a doubt a new battery platform being trojan horsed into their tool line up. Btw the flexvolt line is not a totally new battery platform as the batteries work on 60v and 20v. This saw does not match dewalts 60v rear handle.
Milwaukee isn't really backward compatible you have to use a 12amp battery to get the performance they claim not even 9,8 or 6 amp batteries are gonna give that performance they will work better than a 5amp battery but not as well as tge 12amp, and you can manipulate a 20v dewalt battery to work in 60v tool
Great review - love how you guys aren't in your face hype yelling like most TH-camrs. I'm looking to buy my first circular saw for some home improvement stuff and I'm going to try out left vs right blade before making a final decision. Thanks!
Just got home with my 2732-20 and it's out of square beyond adjustment. Glad to hear everyone saying they're good saws though. I'll take it back and hopefully I just got a lowsy one.
As a trim carpenter the right side blade works much better for me. Normally the piece that I'm cutting off is the one that I want to use. Let say that I'm cutting off a 2" rip from a sheet of plywood. I snap a thin chalk line, then using the right side saw I can see the line and the base of the saw is on the plywood that I'm not using, for now. A left side might be ok for rough framing, but you better have a keen eye when making a cut that counts. And No your left side saw is not a worm Drive saw.
I prefer the form factor of a "sidewinder" circular saw, but the blade position of a worm drive! I've never understood why nobody sells a sidewinder with a left hand blade. I'd buy one!
Great review. There is another one comparing to the Dewalt and it held it's own and was batter in certain areas. I am a Milwaukee user so having a blade left is all I will buy. Still happy with my 6 1/2 vs the 7 1/4 (returned). It gets the job done. Even my m12 5 3/8 works great. In all fairness the Diablo blades make any saw better IMHO. When I need a new saw I will be buying this model. Hopefully won't be anytime soon. Got 4 more years of warranty left.
I bought the Milwaukee rear handle saw a few months ago. After purchase I immediately put a Diablo blade on it and tried to use it. The saw pulled hard to the left and would cut straight. People online told me it's a bad blade so I put the original Milwaukee blade it came with back on it and made a few cuts. It seemed to work fine so I thought it was fixed. Today I tried to rip a 4x8 sheet of 3/4 mdf and the saw started pulling left again and binding the blade really bad. Any suggestions for me? Should i just return it to home depot?
I loved my old Rockwell belt sander because, among other reasons, it had oil. I loved checking the oil on that thing Ive never owned a worm drive saw but i wantvone because of the gear box. Its just cool, to me.
Thanks for the video! I learned how to cut off my fingers. I held my saw just like you and chopped off all my fingers on my hand. I'm in the ER now, they're trying to figure out how to reattach them.
I don't have the new Milwaukee blade right saw, only an older Ridgid Brushless 18-Volt Lithium-Ion sidewinder blade right saw and it had been a good saw only lacking in power when cutting deep or hard material or crosscuting hard material. I just recently got the Milwaukee 2830-20 M18 FUEL 7-1/4" Rear Handle Circular Saw and it may not technically be a worm drive saw but I would say it's comparable, it has a ton of torque and I love the rear handle and blade left design. I also love the simple and easy to adjust and read all the measurements and adjustments on it and I also like that it had the blade removal tool slid right in the bottom for easy access and to make it dummy proof they even marked off with an arrow on the blade removal attachment. I also think that it's a good idea that when you press down on the safety release switch that it activates the LED light. So far I have only used it with the stock Milwaukee blade that it came with, i intent to change that soon and switch it out with a Diablo blade and see what kind of difference that makes. All said and done I am very happy with it was and glad I bought it and added it to my collection I intend to see it get used quite often. I have quite a few Ridgid tools, i started off with them before switching to team red and i am glad I did, I haven't run a lot of other tool brands, I have run a few Ryobi tools which obviously can't hold a candle to Ridgid or Milwaukee but are still good tools and great for the weekend warriors. I used a few Makita tools here and there that belonged to a friend and i ran DeWalt exclusively for awhile till they all got stolen and they were very good tools but I don't think they are as good Milwaukee tools I have now. The rest was history, I started my collection again with Ridgid tools because they were affordable for me at the time and they were still fairly professional tools, I never had one fail me. I did end up with 17 Ridgid 18-Volt tools if you count my 2 extra JobMax heads and 9 - 18-Vol tbatteries, until about 4 years ago I received some free Milwaukee tools thru a promotional program I was in and more importantly I received 5 free 5.0amp batteries which launched me into the Milwaukee M18 tool line since we all know that batteries are one of the most expensive costs of getting into a new tool line. I also received a few fairly expensive tools and kits including 4 tools and after getting started with 4 Milwaukee tools and 5 batteries it launched me into the Milwaukee tool line and over the last 3 years I have accumulated 20 M18 FUEL Milwaukee tools and 11 M18 batteries and 2 M12 FUEL Milwaukee tools and 2 M12 batteries. I have tools ranging from small things like smaller Rover lights and things like a Surge impulse driver which I love all the the way up to things like the the M18 FUEL 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 10 in. Dual Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw and the M18 FUEL ONE-KEY 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 8-1/4 in. Table Saw Kit W/ (1) 12.0Ah Battery & Rapid Charger kit both of which are great and I love. I've even switched over to Milwaukee yard equipment, which is way nicer than FN with 2 stroke yard equipment and mixing the damn gas and pulling the damn string and FN with the stupid thing. With the Milwaukee year equipment you just plug in the battery and go, I got equipment like the Milwaukee string trimmer and 10" pruning pole saw pruning attachment and the blower and even the 16" chainsaw which kicks the holy shit out of my buddies 2 stroke 16" chainsaw BTW lol. I even have some specialty tools like the M18 FUEL 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless Drain Snake Auger with 5/16 in. And 3/8 in. Cable Drive Kit w/ Free 5.0Ah Battery and it is awesome, better than any other drain snake I've used including corded ones, I love the fully enclosed drum and carrying bucket, it makes for a zero mess experience! Anyways point being to all my rambling is that I think Milwaukee is an excellent tool brand and I'm really glad I got into their tool line. However that said I think all tool lines are good and each one has their strong points and you really can't go wrong with any of them, I think what it really comes down to is the tools you are looking for and your personal preference. For me that's team RED all the way!!! Oh and I mentioned some of my bigger tools so you can see no matter what brand you choose cordless is the wave of the future and corded is on it's last leg, they are making bigger and bigger cordless tools, it's just a matter of time when all but the biggest tools out there are cordless tools!!! 😁👍Also thanks for the video guys, you do some of the best reviews on TH-cam, your one of the only channels I consistently watch so keep up the good work guys!!! 👍
worm drive is the type of contact the motor has with the blade it’s a gear type actually not a branding thing, the rear handle isn’t actually worm gear it has a side winder motor mount not a rear motor so i’m curious if they’re the exact same motor
Great comparison vid between the two. I’m in the market for a new cordless M18 saw and wasn’t sure if I wanted left or right? I’ve never used a worm drive so wasn’t sure how to compare the two, but your vid helped a lot with my decision. One thing I do know is you can’t go wrong with anything M18 related. Been using all mine for about three years and they do everything I ask of them so either of the saws will serve my needs. Thanks again for posting the comparison!
They both are sidewinder style saws one just looks like a worm drive from what heard they have the same motor they just made the cut out circuit a little less sensitive so it wouldn't stall out as much, but it might not be good for the saw more of a chance burning out your motor, that happened a few times using a corded sidewinder they didn't have protection devices on them and if running the saw through wet treated with knots you would stall these saws but you had to remember to take your finger off the trigger or you burn the motor out because it was still running just because it stopped didn't mean it turned off
Good review hoss.....as a diehard Milwaukee guy I am not so sure what I think of this particular saw. It's going to be interesting to see how this saw/battery combo is going to work out in Florida , Louisiana , Texas etc etc when it gets crazy hot. My cousin in Louisiana told me that it took his 12.0 battery 1 & 1/2 hours to cool down enough to use again after really giving it hell with the super sawzall during the demo of a old house. I guess time will tell.....keep the honest vids coming brother.
Hi Brian, Question, if i covered the dust extractor on the milwaukee 7 1/4" worm drive styles circular saw (left side blade). Would it damage the saw? Looks like a good circular saw but the dust must be irritation blowing at you. I'm use to a true worm drive that extract dust on the bottom of the guard. If it doesn't do any harm to the saw it would have been nice if milwaukee made a small flat cover plate for that section so everyone has a option. I know some guys like to hook a vac to them. I never did. Would be a good test and video. Just wondering. Let me know.
@@rubenvarela4077 my business partner has the Makita rear handle, but I hate it as I'm left handed. I saw another review where the line of sight on the blade of the Milwaukee is better, which I like because that's the biggest problem with the Makita, aside from the balance on some cuts for me.
both of those saws are awesome!I have the original fuel circular saw, it is Good enough for what I use it for. And if it don't work I've got the M18 chainsaw,sawzall and hacksaw.
I bought a dewalt 60v rear handle worm drive style saw. Thing is a beast. Got some crazy power but anything other than 2x material or thinner than 1 inch, is way better to cut with a guide. I can rip down boards quick with just a chalk line with a corded skil nice and straight and all other circular saws besides this dewalt one. Its too powerful and heavy lol weight distrubution is awkward.
Cut quality is improved with higher blade speed. You are less likely to get tear out with 5,800 rpm versus 4,400 rpm. The best thing about the right blade model #2732 is the super high 5,800 rpm arbor speed. That's much more than Makita at 5,100 or the older Milwaukee with 5,000.
My problem with the 6 1/2 is that it’s size compared to my 7 1/4 cordless sidewinder is not much of a difference. I like makitas 6 1/2. The Milwaukee 6 1/2 has a lot of power, but it’s finesse isn’t as versatile imo
I was watching a few videos on this milwaukee rear handle saw. Just thinking, why didn't milwaukee just make it like the right blade saw style / sizes. It's not a warm drive. Again just thinking about it. Looks good and I'm still debating milwaukee or dewalt for the left side blade circular saw. I'm on both battery line so I'm just checking pro and cons on both. Thanks for the video
lol at 5:16 did you opt to change the framing of the whole shot to keep your dog out of view? Or did it serendipitously manage to pee just outside of frame?
@@WorkshopAddict thanks for the feedback. There is a deal at HD you can get the fuel saw for $249.99 with a 5.0 battery or for $299 the non fuel brushless cir saw with an 8.0 and 6.0 which do you feel is the better deal. I can't find any reviews on the brushless model. I have heard that the brushless saw is rebranded gen 1 saw. Do you know if that is true? Thanks for the info bro. I love your videos and I've been subscribed for years!
@@charlesking678 yes, brushless model is the old gen 1 fuel. that's a very ideal that Home Depot is offering because you would want to have the circular saw have a 6.0 or 8.0 amp hour battery rather than a 5.0. no matter what circular saw you buy make sure you get the bigger battery to run it or you will be disappointed.
If you used a 9.0 High output battery would you lose a little bit of performance. I have have a guy that wants to sell me a 9.0 for $60, but I don't want to lose performance.
Great review, but you are pretty hard on the 2830 saw. I am a journeyman framer and I would never be that hard on my saw. Typically, framers damage saws when they drop them 90% of the time. When you get in a hurry, it's easy to drop a saw if you are not careful. The other 10% of the time, framers burn out Skill 77 saws over time. Even worm drive motors wear out with several years of hard use. I worked my way through engineering college as a frame carpenter (I am a consulting engineer now). I just bought this saw, and I haven't had a chance to use it. I think the only major competitor is DeWalt, but its sawdust ejection is nearly the same as the Milwaukee. The 2830-21 is definitely meant for serious framing projects. Professional framers consider sidewinder saws to be child's toys. I just bent the table on my Skill 77 (yes, I was REALLY stupid), which is already the old, heavy, non-magnesium version, and so I decided to go with the Milwaukee 3830-20 rear handle saw. I am not sure what the difference is between the 2830-21 and the 2830-20, but it appears to be minimal. My steel Skill 77 is a tank, but I have always hated running cords on a work site. So I will try the 2830-20 to see how it works. So far, it appears to be impressive. But I won't really know what it can do until I do a serious framing project. Again, good job on your review. Ripping material is the hardest thing to do with a circular saw.
I wish companies offered left/right-handed saws for all their models. I'm left-handed so the Fuel 7 1/4" is about my only option (not that it's a bad option)
Been out for months. www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-7-1-4-in-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Rear-Handle-Circular-Saw-Kit-with-12-0-Ah-Battery-and-Rapid-Charger-2830-21HD/309246350?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal3_rr-_-309832808-_-%7B%7BproductId%7D%7D-_-N
Interesting video. I would have like to see the Blade Right cutting, not just the Rear Handle saw (or did I miss it). Banging the saw around to unclog or whatever, makes me cringe.
Pros don't look at the blade, I like a right side and right handed, line up the the line with the blade and the shoe marking... keep momentum, posture and your cut stays true plus whith a right blade the dust and chips go away from you
Great video guys, it’s appreciated that you actually review the saw being used instead of just talking about the specs. I was wondering how you’ve found the saw over the past year? Would you still recommend it or has it started to become problematic? Thanks!
Love the channel, solid review... Both saws are the same power, both cut out, when pushed hard... The flexvolt rear handle is much more powerful then either of those Milwaukee saws. As a builder , nothing matches the flexvolt line yet.. the Makita rear handle would be second best.... Framers use crap wood also , don't apologize.its more of a real test..ripping LVL stock and dual bevel rafter cuts are what we use the rear handle for..
Im a heavily invested milwaukee owner, the boys i work with both have the new flexvolt gear and i must admit.. there tools go hundy! Though i dont own any of Milwaukee's high output tools so cant fully compare.
Brian, I really like Milwaukee. However, by the looks & sound of it, my Dewalt worm drive style saw is a stronger tool. I’ve yet to have my saw cut out & I don’t think mine boggs down like the Milwaukee, even close. And don’t get me wrong, I like both brands.
The DeWalt is 60v and only has roughly a 1/3 of the AH on the 60v side while the Milwaukee is at only 18v. The fact that Milwaukee is keeping up with 60v and 36v tools while staying true to the 18v platform tells me the other two are doing something wrong.
@@chadhoward3347 If you watch some of the other videos, you will see that its capability hinges on whether you are using HD/HO batteries or not. Effectively, the Milwaukee is still running at the same overall ballpark wattage as the others.
Hi ! Great detailed vid as always. Thanks for it. If you make a "red vs yellow" comparasion video please check milwaukee is fully backward compatiable with the lower Ah battery. I'm prety sure the tools with come with 12ah battery are useless with less Ah batteries. Maybe with 9.0-s able to do something but i dont have big hopes.
@@WorkshopAddict This is what i except. You are able to use the saw, but became "useless" because its bug down under higher load. Maybe this is the reason why Dewalt step up in their game and bring the 54v battery. Theyr know the easiest way to increase the power if you increase the voltage instead of Ah. If you increase the Ah you need to beef up all the railings in battery cells, and the wiring in the motor fields beacuse of the current. And the costs increasing as well.
This is the exact point I had to make at the carpenter shop at work. The 6.0ah FlexVolt battery gave the Dewalt awesome power just less runtime compared to a 12.0. The carpenters put a 5.0 on the Milwaukee and were cursing the thing. The backwards compatibility of Milwaukee doesn’t matter if the tool can’t work the way you expect/the way it was intended.
@@nsatoday This is my problem. I hate the marketing bullshit, when somebody said its backward compatible. Its clear physics. If you have only the half of Ah the runtime or the power of the tool is became almost useless. This is why dewalt bring the flexvolt battery pack to the market. If you want more power always easier to ramp up the voltage instead of the current. If you ramp up the current you need to beef up everything. Coils, wires etc. And more curent most of the time means more heat as well. So milwaukee looking for hard times in near future i think.
@@_AIex_ I'm not sure you know what the numbers on the batteries are referring to. Amp hours is a a pretty crap , but industry standard, measure of charge but effectively tells us use capacity. It sometimes, but not always, correlates with peak power, but that's to do with the discharge ratings of the cells inside. It's also not a good way of comparing different voltage batteries. Watt hours is Ah x volts (ie for Milwaukee 18v 12ah you get 216watt hours, vs Flex's 24v 5ah giving you 120watt hours) and gives a better way of comparing the work each battery can do across voltage systems. The peak draw will be determined by the cells inside (which is why the lithium stacks tend to do better than larger 18650 or 21700 cells, and the 21700s do better generally than 18650s, etc).
Thank you guys for good review on the tool there's nothing wrong we're buying discounted wood I use it all the time my wife's Garden to make projects for her cuz most of what I buy it's ripped down I bought plywood what's been damaged and made some shells with it anyway you're testing how sharp the play there's any way a good piece of bad piece if it cuts the cuts keep up the great work you guys take care of everybody cheers will it beer
My gripe would be comparing saws with different blades on them.. but at this point the saws from every lineup are so good that were all spoiled.. i like milwuakee because i do a bit of everything mostly automotive or framing and they really hit every trade really well no missing spots
The Worxsaw has a lot of power to get the job done and it was much cheaper than other 4.5 inch saws I looked at. The depth setting Works great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxjpBI8OOeUXib_iT7UomCrQ-uauwZJ62c to cut through the top piece of wood without cutting the bottom one. It is heavier than I anticipated but that is the price you pay for power (more power-bigger motor). My next purchase is to get a set of 4.5" blades for it, so I can cut other materials with it. If you are cutting across large pieces of wood and want the line to be straight I would suggest getting a locking rip fence that clamps down to the piece of wood and running the saw along it. Great little saw!
Tanner Wharton I’m completely aware of the merits of Milwaukee. But these saws are no match to a corded worm drive skilsaw. Plus when your batteries die, the new batteries cost nearly as much as a bare tool.
I personally don't like these rear handle saws, I rather have a blade left saw that looks just looks just like a blade right saw but the blade on the left like Milwaukee did with the 61/2 saw
This is the EXACT rip cut, full depth demo i was looking for on this exact saw. Youre the GOAT my dude . Youre the real MVP!
Yep
Which saw did you go for?
Thanks for taking the time to do this kind of stuff. I really appreciate the effort and time you output to make these videos.
Thanks Bud!
*Works great **MyBest.Tools** on small lumber and much lighter than large circular saws.*
Great review madman. We have a hand full (7) of saws in the trailer, corded and battery, right and left blade, the saw of choice on the cut bench is the Skil worm 7 1/4. Power and dependable hard all day, day after day use. A MAJOR plus for the worm lefty is rarely mentioned if ever!. You can reach across and SEE the cut, of a full 48" sheet no problem. On the bench that is a tremendous advantage, tremendous. One push across a sheet, no repositioning, no moving, no bullshit. Power unlimited and hardcore dependability. The cord to the bench means nothing in that scenario. Up on the roof, yes,.. go battery for the odd adjustment cuts............although the guy on the bench is gonna hear it! Always great stuff, Thank You for the great review.
The DeWalt is 60v and requires an totally different battery platform. The Makita takes 2 batteries. The fact that Milwaukee is doing the same or more work while only using 18v tells me that the other 2 companies are doing something wrong.
@Chad Howard
Have you not seen the other reviews of this product of other users putting in different batteries then the 12.0 monster? This saw becomes stall Tastic unless it has that battery in it, it might as well be it’s own battery platform.
So keep drinking that red-lithium Kool-Aid, hey make sure you get a supercharger so that you can drain the batteries too fast with this saw and then charge them too fast and let me know how long the battery last you...
I’ll take the Makita 36v (2 18v), DeWalt 54v or Hilti 36v anyday over this tool.😉
The Truth you cant put in an old 3.0 battery and expect to push the saw full depth rip cutting you need a 12.0 or even the new 8.0 to get power for that.. but you can take your old drill battery from 6 years ago with more cycles in it than your kids peddle bike and do some cross cuts in 2x6 no issue and you just cant do that with dewalt or makita of you dont have a 60v or 2 batteries youre sol but if you needa get the job done with an old drill battery milwuakee will do it if youre framing by yourself
And this proves how well Milwaukee marketing has fooled their fans. Dont kid yourself, put anything other than a high output battery in this saw and you'll have a fraction of the power. Dewalt chose to not make their flexvolt tools backwards compatible knowing it would be crappy performance, Milwaukee chose to do it as a marketing tactic. This is without a doubt a new battery platform being trojan horsed into their tool line up.
Btw the flexvolt line is not a totally new battery platform as the batteries work on 60v and 20v. This saw does not match dewalts 60v rear handle.
Milwaukee isn't really backward compatible you have to use a 12amp battery to get the performance they claim not even 9,8 or 6 amp batteries are gonna give that performance they will work better than a 5amp battery but not as well as tge 12amp, and you can manipulate a 20v dewalt battery to work in 60v tool
@@thetruth5210Makita 2 battery saw is awesome. I just wish they had a framing nailer too. I hate having multiple battery platforms
Great review - love how you guys aren't in your face hype yelling like most TH-camrs. I'm looking to buy my first circular saw for some home improvement stuff and I'm going to try out left vs right blade before making a final decision. Thanks!
Great informative head to head comparison. I still don’t know which I should get but I think I’m leaning more to rear handle now. Thanks brother!
I prefer a right-side cut, because I am left-handed and it is easier to see the cutting for me.
Just got home with my 2732-20 and it's out of square beyond adjustment. Glad to hear everyone saying they're good saws though. I'll take it back and hopefully I just got a lowsy one.
Same with mine did you swap it out?
@@Thomas998822 Yes, I did. The new item was tuneable and I love the saw.
As a trim carpenter the right side blade works much better for me. Normally the piece that I'm cutting off is the one that I want to use. Let say that I'm cutting off a 2" rip from a sheet of plywood. I snap a thin chalk line, then using the right side saw I can see the line and the base of the saw is on the plywood that I'm not using, for now. A left side might be ok for rough framing, but you better have a keen eye when making a cut that counts. And No your left side saw is not a worm Drive saw.
I'm guessing track saw...
I prefer the form factor of a "sidewinder" circular saw, but the blade position of a worm drive! I've never understood why nobody sells a sidewinder with a left hand blade. I'd buy one!
Milwaukee fuel has one
Great review. There is another one comparing to the Dewalt and it held it's own and was batter in certain areas. I am a Milwaukee user so having a blade left is all I will buy. Still happy with my 6 1/2 vs the 7 1/4 (returned). It gets the job done. Even my m12 5 3/8 works great. In all fairness the Diablo blades make any saw better IMHO. When I need a new saw I will be buying this model. Hopefully won't be anytime soon. Got 4 more years of warranty left.
I bought the Milwaukee rear handle saw a few months ago. After purchase I immediately put a Diablo blade on it and tried to use it. The saw pulled hard to the left and would cut straight. People online told me it's a bad blade so I put the original Milwaukee blade it came with back on it and made a few cuts. It seemed to work fine so I thought it was fixed. Today I tried to rip a 4x8 sheet of 3/4 mdf and the saw started pulling left again and binding the blade really bad. Any suggestions for me? Should i just return it to home depot?
I loved my old Rockwell belt sander because, among other reasons, it had oil.
I loved checking the oil on that thing
Ive never owned a worm drive saw but i wantvone because of the gear box. Its just cool, to me.
Thanks for the video! I learned how to cut off my fingers. I held my saw just like you and chopped off all my fingers on my hand. I'm in the ER now, they're trying to figure out how to reattach them.
This was sarcasm right.
I don't have the new Milwaukee blade right saw, only an older Ridgid Brushless 18-Volt Lithium-Ion sidewinder blade right saw and it had been a good saw only lacking in power when cutting deep or hard material or crosscuting hard material. I just recently got the Milwaukee 2830-20 M18 FUEL 7-1/4" Rear Handle Circular Saw and it may not technically be a worm drive saw but I would say it's comparable, it has a ton of torque and I love the rear handle and blade left design. I also love the simple and easy to adjust and read all the measurements and adjustments on it and I also like that it had the blade removal tool slid right in the bottom for easy access and to make it dummy proof they even marked off with an arrow on the blade removal attachment. I also think that it's a good idea that when you press down on the safety release switch that it activates the LED light. So far I have only used it with the stock Milwaukee blade that it came with, i intent to change that soon and switch it out with a Diablo blade and see what kind of difference that makes. All said and done I am very happy with it was and glad I bought it and added it to my collection I intend to see it get used quite often. I have quite a few Ridgid tools, i started off with them before switching to team red and i am glad I did, I haven't run a lot of other tool brands, I have run a few Ryobi tools which obviously can't hold a candle to Ridgid or Milwaukee but are still good tools and great for the weekend warriors. I used a few Makita tools here and there that belonged to a friend and i ran DeWalt exclusively for awhile till they all got stolen and they were very good tools but I don't think they are as good Milwaukee tools I have now. The rest was history, I started my collection again with Ridgid tools because they were affordable for me at the time and they were still fairly professional tools, I never had one fail me. I did end up with 17 Ridgid 18-Volt tools if you count my 2 extra JobMax heads and 9 - 18-Vol tbatteries, until about 4 years ago I received some free Milwaukee tools thru a promotional program I was in and more importantly I received 5 free 5.0amp batteries which launched me into the Milwaukee M18 tool line since we all know that batteries are one of the most expensive costs of getting into a new tool line. I also received a few fairly expensive tools and kits including 4 tools and after getting started with 4 Milwaukee tools and 5 batteries it launched me into the Milwaukee tool line and over the last 3 years I have accumulated 20 M18 FUEL Milwaukee tools and 11 M18 batteries and 2 M12 FUEL Milwaukee tools and 2 M12 batteries. I have tools ranging from small things like smaller Rover lights and things like a Surge impulse driver which I love all the the way up to things like the the M18 FUEL 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 10 in. Dual Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw and the M18 FUEL ONE-KEY 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 8-1/4 in. Table Saw Kit W/ (1) 12.0Ah Battery & Rapid Charger kit both of which are great and I love. I've even switched over to Milwaukee yard equipment, which is way nicer than FN with 2 stroke yard equipment and mixing the damn gas and pulling the damn string and FN with the stupid thing. With the Milwaukee year equipment you just plug in the battery and go, I got equipment like the Milwaukee string trimmer and 10" pruning pole saw pruning attachment and the blower and even the 16" chainsaw which kicks the holy shit out of my buddies 2 stroke 16" chainsaw BTW lol. I even have some specialty tools like the M18 FUEL 18-Volt Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless Drain Snake Auger with 5/16 in. And 3/8 in. Cable Drive Kit w/ Free 5.0Ah Battery and it is awesome, better than any other drain snake I've used including corded ones, I love the fully enclosed drum and carrying bucket, it makes for a zero mess experience! Anyways point being to all my rambling is that I think Milwaukee is an excellent tool brand and I'm really glad I got into their tool line. However that said I think all tool lines are good and each one has their strong points and you really can't go wrong with any of them, I think what it really comes down to is the tools you are looking for and your personal preference. For me that's team RED all the way!!! Oh and I mentioned some of my bigger tools so you can see no matter what brand you choose cordless is the wave of the future and corded is on it's last leg, they are making bigger and bigger cordless tools, it's just a matter of time when all but the biggest tools out there are cordless tools!!! 😁👍Also thanks for the video guys, you do some of the best reviews on TH-cam, your one of the only channels I consistently watch so keep up the good work guys!!! 👍
worm drive is the type of contact the motor has with the blade it’s a gear type actually not a branding thing, the rear handle isn’t actually worm gear it has a side winder motor mount not a rear motor so i’m curious if they’re the exact same motor
Great comparison vid between the two. I’m in the market for a new cordless M18 saw and wasn’t sure if I wanted left or right? I’ve never used a worm drive so wasn’t sure how to compare the two, but your vid helped a lot with my decision. One thing I do know is you can’t go wrong with anything M18 related. Been using all mine for about three years and they do everything I ask of them so either of the saws will serve my needs. Thanks again for posting the comparison!
Glad I could help
They both are sidewinder style saws one just looks like a worm drive from what heard they have the same motor they just made the cut out circuit a little less sensitive so it wouldn't stall out as much, but it might not be good for the saw more of a chance burning out your motor, that happened a few times using a corded sidewinder they didn't have protection devices on them and if running the saw through wet treated with knots you would stall these saws but you had to remember to take your finger off the trigger or you burn the motor out because it was still running just because it stopped didn't mean it turned off
Good review hoss.....as a diehard Milwaukee guy I am not so sure what I think of this particular saw. It's going to be interesting to see how this saw/battery combo is going to work out in Florida , Louisiana , Texas etc etc when it gets crazy hot. My cousin in Louisiana told me that it took his 12.0 battery 1 & 1/2 hours to cool down enough to use again after really giving it hell with the super sawzall during the demo of a old house. I guess time will tell.....keep the honest vids coming brother.
Awesome, honest review as usual. Thank you!
Hi Brian,
Question, if i covered the dust extractor on the milwaukee 7 1/4" worm drive styles circular saw (left side blade). Would it damage the saw? Looks like a good circular saw but the dust must be irritation blowing at you. I'm use to a true worm drive that extract dust on the bottom of the guard.
If it doesn't do any harm to the saw it would have been nice if milwaukee made a small flat cover plate for that section so everyone has a option. I know some guys like to hook a vac to them. I never did. Would be a good test and video.
Just wondering. Let me know.
A newb question but what would be the different applications for each? Would one saw be more suited for one application versus another?
WormSaw cordless Shoot out! Hilti vs Dewalt vs Milwaukee...and if I’m missing anyone them too🤟🏼great job btw, As always!
@Benjamin Romshak
You missed first to market Makita.
The Truth ahh yes Makita, sorry I forgot, I really like Makita ..sorry I forgot they had one.
And there is also Skilsaw‘ Snee cordless true worm drive.
@@thetruth5210 makita is the best in circular saw
Yet to see the Hilti in action probably cost too much
Would it be that hard to make both saws with the option of buying a left or right bladed version??
I would like the rear handle right for me
@@rubenvarela4077 my business partner has the Makita rear handle, but I hate it as I'm left handed. I saw another review where the line of sight on the blade of the Milwaukee is better, which I like because that's the biggest problem with the Makita, aside from the balance on some cuts for me.
both of those saws are awesome!I have the original fuel circular saw, it is Good enough for what I use it for. And if it don't work I've got the M18 chainsaw,sawzall and hacksaw.
Awesome brotha! Go big red!
So most circular saw blade won't fit in the worm drive because the of the diamond hole?
The more expensive blades have knock outs that are diamond shaped. But the less expensive ones with only the round hole will not fit.
I bought a dewalt 60v rear handle worm drive style saw. Thing is a beast. Got some crazy power but anything other than 2x material or thinner than 1 inch, is way better to cut with a guide.
I can rip down boards quick with just a chalk line with a corded skil nice and straight and all other circular saws besides this dewalt one. Its too powerful and heavy lol weight distrubution is awkward.
I'm left handed would I struggle with this?
Is there a tutorial on how to replace the safety switch on the Milwaukee circular saw
You have to split it in half
Why are you holding the the front like that ? Genuine curiosity lol I have the rear handle myself
Cut quality is improved with higher blade speed. You are less likely to get tear out with 5,800 rpm versus 4,400 rpm. The best thing about the right blade model #2732 is the super high 5,800 rpm arbor speed. That's much more than Makita at 5,100 or the older Milwaukee with 5,000.
how does it do with the 5.0 battery? 12.0 battery costs $270 making a 2 battery/1 saw about $800 total?
If I have the blade right gen 2 but I’m more left handed blade guy should I get this left handed one I want it!
My problem with the 6 1/2 is that it’s size compared to my 7 1/4 cordless sidewinder is not much of a difference. I like makitas 6 1/2.
The Milwaukee 6 1/2 has a lot of power, but it’s finesse isn’t as versatile imo
What thermal camera is that? Thorough review! I look forward to the comparison coming out.
Milwaukee M12
I was watching a few videos on this milwaukee rear handle saw. Just thinking, why didn't milwaukee just make it like the right blade saw style / sizes. It's not a warm drive. Again just thinking about it.
Looks good and I'm still debating milwaukee or dewalt for the left side blade circular saw. I'm on both battery line so I'm just checking pro and cons on both.
Thanks for the video
lol at 5:16 did you opt to change the framing of the whole shot to keep your dog out of view? Or did it serendipitously manage to pee just outside of frame?
Have you reviewed the non fuel brushless m18 circular saw? Is it comparable to the fuel model?
We have, it is not comparable.
@@WorkshopAddict thanks for the feedback. There is a deal at HD you can get the fuel saw for $249.99 with a 5.0 battery or for $299 the non fuel brushless cir saw with an 8.0 and 6.0 which do you feel is the better deal. I can't find any reviews on the brushless model. I have heard that the brushless saw is rebranded gen 1 saw. Do you know if that is true? Thanks for the info bro. I love your videos and I've been subscribed for years!
@@charlesking678 yes, brushless model is the old gen 1 fuel. that's a very ideal that Home Depot is offering because you would want to have the circular saw have a 6.0 or 8.0 amp hour battery rather than a 5.0. no matter what circular saw you buy make sure you get the bigger battery to run it or you will be disappointed.
@@WorkshopAddict thanks for the info. Means allot. I really appreciate it. Now I can make a more informed decision.
Great review, now plz do a review on makita worm drive and the Milwaukee. Plz!!!
Dewalt 570 you tested earlier vs this 2732. Which would you pick? Im in both battery platforms.
Dewalt Blade Left is more powerful by far.
If you used a 9.0 High output battery would you lose a little bit of performance. I have have a guy that wants to sell me a 9.0 for $60, but I don't want to lose performance.
Difference between a high demand battery and a high output battery. Google Milwaukee 9.0 and read it and them Milwaukee 12.0
There will not be that much of a difference. I use 9.0 and 12.0 all the time. The 9.0’s are still great batteries.
Is the saw 13.5 pounds with the battery on it, or without the battery? Thanks!
What is the point of the diamond arbour?
because of the higher torque which these saws develop
So the blade can't spin . By getting loose from the tension nut
Which one best for finished work
The one you are most comfortable using. They are very similar.
A smaller & lighter 6 1/2” saw.😉
I love that you don’t baby these tools!! Treat it like the tool that it is!!
Will that rear handle saw run on the 5AH battery? I have a ton of 5AH batteries, but no 12AH or 8AH. Thanks
They will but lack seirous power for ripping woth anything under 6 ah
Great review, but you are pretty hard on the 2830 saw. I am a journeyman framer and I would never be that hard on my saw. Typically, framers damage saws when they drop them 90% of the time. When you get in a hurry, it's easy to drop a saw if you are not careful. The other 10% of the time, framers burn out Skill 77 saws over time. Even worm drive motors wear out with several years of hard use.
I worked my way through engineering college as a frame carpenter (I am a consulting engineer now). I just bought this saw, and I haven't had a chance to use it. I think the only major competitor is DeWalt, but its sawdust ejection is nearly the same as the Milwaukee. The 2830-21 is definitely meant for serious framing projects. Professional framers consider sidewinder saws to be child's toys.
I just bent the table on my Skill 77 (yes, I was REALLY stupid), which is already the old, heavy, non-magnesium version, and so I decided to go with the Milwaukee 3830-20 rear handle saw. I am not sure what the difference is between the 2830-21 and the 2830-20, but it appears to be minimal. My steel Skill 77 is a tank, but I have always hated running cords on a work site. So I will try the 2830-20 to see how it works. So far, it appears to be impressive. But I won't really know what it can do until I do a serious framing project. Again, good job on your review. Ripping material is the hardest thing to do with a circular saw.
Great video. Very good info, thanks
I wish companies offered left/right-handed saws for all their models. I'm left-handed so the Fuel 7 1/4" is about my only option (not that it's a bad option)
Your review is appreciated
Thanks Jim
Anyone know when this saw will be available?
Been out for months. www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-7-1-4-in-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Rear-Handle-Circular-Saw-Kit-with-12-0-Ah-Battery-and-Rapid-Charger-2830-21HD/309246350?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal3_rr-_-309832808-_-%7B%7BproductId%7D%7D-_-N
exact vid I was looking for !!!
Great review!! Very honest
Thx for the review that's a great saw
I’m Milwaukee guy but dewalt flexvolt left And right saws it’s much better and very powerful !! 👍🏻
Milwaukee does awesome impacts, dewalt rocks saws
Can’t compare a saw mostly used for decks vs a saw used by framers (skilsaw)
Man... you are amazing!!!
Now, what do you think of the makita rear handle???
Thanks in advance
Makita is more powerful in rear handle.
Wow. Now is on sale I'll get me one
Interesting video. I would have like to see the Blade Right cutting, not just the Rear Handle saw (or did I miss it). Banging the saw around to unclog or whatever, makes me cringe.
Pros don't look at the blade, I like a right side and right handed, line up the the line with the blade and the shoe marking... keep momentum, posture and your cut stays true plus whith a right blade the dust and chips go away from you
I am a right handed carpenter with over 30 years experience, blade right is all I use ,all my workmates are the same .
@@interman7715same here
Great video guys, it’s appreciated that you actually review the saw being used instead of just talking about the specs. I was wondering how you’ve found the saw over the past year? Would you still recommend it or has it started to become problematic?
Thanks!
Still running strong and would recommend.
Love the channel, solid review... Both saws are the same power, both cut out, when pushed hard... The flexvolt rear handle is much more powerful then either of those Milwaukee saws. As a builder , nothing matches the flexvolt line yet.. the Makita rear handle would be second best.... Framers use crap wood also , don't apologize.its more of a real test..ripping LVL stock and dual bevel rafter cuts are what we use the rear handle for..
Yuck, I smell a fanboy
Im a heavily invested milwaukee owner, the boys i work with both have the new flexvolt gear and i must admit.. there tools go hundy! Though i dont own any of Milwaukee's high output tools so cant fully compare.
What good is power with no run time.
Brian, I really like Milwaukee. However, by the looks & sound of it, my Dewalt worm drive style saw is a stronger tool. I’ve yet to have my saw cut out & I don’t think mine boggs down like the Milwaukee, even close. And don’t get me wrong, I like both brands.
Yes, that Dewalt is stronger and when pushed, it too will cut out.
The DeWalt is 60v and only has roughly a 1/3 of the AH on the 60v side while the Milwaukee is at only 18v. The fact that Milwaukee is keeping up with 60v and 36v tools while staying true to the 18v platform tells me the other two are doing something wrong.
@@chadhoward3347 If you watch some of the other videos, you will see that its capability hinges on whether you are using HD/HO batteries or not. Effectively, the Milwaukee is still running at the same overall ballpark wattage as the others.
Great video and comparison
Im a leftie and i want to see a blade right rear handle saw.
Hi !
Great detailed vid as always. Thanks for it.
If you make a "red vs yellow" comparasion video please check milwaukee is fully backward compatiable with the lower Ah battery.
I'm prety sure the tools with come with 12ah battery are useless with less Ah batteries. Maybe with 9.0-s able to do something but i dont have big hopes.
Hey Alex. I ran this tool on a 5.0 Ah battery and it was great for OSB or small cross cuts, but it lost a lot of power!
@@WorkshopAddict
This is what i except. You are able to use the saw, but became "useless" because its bug down under higher load.
Maybe this is the reason why Dewalt step up in their game and bring the 54v battery. Theyr know the easiest way to increase the power if you increase the voltage instead of Ah. If you increase the Ah you need to beef up all the railings in battery cells, and the wiring in the motor fields beacuse of the current. And the costs increasing as well.
This is the exact point I had to make at the carpenter shop at work. The 6.0ah FlexVolt battery gave the Dewalt awesome power just less runtime compared to a 12.0. The carpenters put a 5.0 on the Milwaukee and were cursing the thing. The backwards compatibility of Milwaukee doesn’t matter if the tool can’t work the way you expect/the way it was intended.
@@nsatoday
This is my problem. I hate the marketing bullshit, when somebody said its backward compatible. Its clear physics. If you have only the half of Ah the runtime or the power of the tool is became almost useless.
This is why dewalt bring the flexvolt battery pack to the market. If you want more power always easier to ramp up the voltage instead of the current. If you ramp up the current you need to beef up everything. Coils, wires etc. And more curent most of the time means more heat as well. So milwaukee looking for hard times in near future i think.
@@_AIex_ I'm not sure you know what the numbers on the batteries are referring to. Amp hours is a a pretty crap , but industry standard, measure of charge but effectively tells us use capacity. It sometimes, but not always, correlates with peak power, but that's to do with the discharge ratings of the cells inside. It's also not a good way of comparing different voltage batteries. Watt hours is Ah x volts (ie for Milwaukee 18v 12ah you get 216watt hours, vs Flex's 24v 5ah giving you 120watt hours) and gives a better way of comparing the work each battery can do across voltage systems. The peak draw will be determined by the cells inside (which is why the lithium stacks tend to do better than larger 18650 or 21700 cells, and the 21700s do better generally than 18650s, etc).
wow that beginning cutting method is a great way to loose a finger
Thank you guys for good review on the tool there's nothing wrong we're buying discounted wood I use it all the time my wife's Garden to make projects for her cuz most of what I buy it's ripped down I bought plywood what's been damaged and made some shells with it anyway you're testing how sharp the play there's any way a good piece of bad piece if it cuts the cuts keep up the great work you guys take care of everybody cheers will it beer
Premium blade isn't really that much better if even better if they're both brand new it after usage that the premium starts to shine
My gripe would be comparing saws with different blades on them.. but at this point the saws from every lineup are so good that were all spoiled.. i like milwuakee because i do a bit of everything mostly automotive or framing and they really hit every trade really well no missing spots
There would always be something that is not exactly the same, so I made sure to give people something obvious to complain about. LOL
Great video but I do wish the blade was the same.
Thanks 👍
Very informative. Thanks
I would buy the right side saw
Beautiful grand sport
So I should just return the miter saw I just bought 😑
The Worxsaw has a lot of power to get the job done and it was much cheaper than other 4.5 inch saws I looked at. The depth setting Works great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxjpBI8OOeUXib_iT7UomCrQ-uauwZJ62c to cut through the top piece of wood without cutting the bottom one. It is heavier than I anticipated but that is the price you pay for power (more power-bigger motor). My next purchase is to get a set of 4.5" blades for it, so I can cut other materials with it. If you are cutting across large pieces of wood and want the line to be straight I would suggest getting a locking rip fence that clamps down to the piece of wood and running the saw along it. Great little saw!
Not good to put your left hand near the blade when cutting.
Am yet to see a true worm drive cordless well that would be something.
DeWalt and Makita are impressive.
Putting your hand at the front like that while cutting kinda made me worry..
Sorry, that is how my grandpa taught me how to cut a straight line.
Same way I learned
Blade left for right hander your accuracy will increase
And when all these battery tools are obsolete and upgraded to another style of battery....., the old corded skilsaw will still be running strong ;)
You still will be walking around looking for outlets and setting up your saw and cord by the time this saw has ripped 5 sheets of plywood.
M12 and m18 tools are tried and true. Theyre not going anywhere.
Tanner Wharton I’m completely aware of the merits of Milwaukee. But these saws are no match to a corded worm drive skilsaw. Plus when your batteries die, the new batteries cost nearly as much as a bare tool.
I went through that with my old v18 Milwaukee’s. It hurt replacing all of them,but the upgrade to the lithium m18 was worth it
The 2732-20 bogs down in pressure treated 2x12, hopefully they bump up the power to the DeWalt DCS5758
I personally don't like these rear handle saws, I rather have a blade left saw that looks just looks just like a blade right saw but the blade on the left like Milwaukee did with the 61/2 saw
Thanks again
Battery’s are cool but the Mag77 will always be the best
Used to be the best when it was owned by Bosch. Now that it is owned by a China company, it has gone down hill.
Such a beast of a saw on an 18v platform
So many people said it could not be done and they are proving them wrong!
The dude cutting in the wind doesn't like sawdust in his face
Great “comparison” vid w/ the 2 saws. Liked it👍🏻
Buying crappy wood......🤐🤣🤣
The lefty version is also a lot lighter
The best is the Z06 you have
gr8 stuff rocknroll
That was quick
Never bang a magnesium deck on anything! They are fragile and if you knock them out of wack you are screwed.
This saw costs in my Belarus 650$. It’s too cheap. That’s why I bought dcs577. It’s only 350$.
Skil Mag77 > Everything else
Why would you want dust in your face all the time?
nice
I love milwaukee ❤
They do almost everything right!
Great for plumbers and HVAC..
I cringed with that thumb being so close to the blade😨